Jason Hill: Long term 49er, or temporary fill-in?
by David Fucillo on May 8, 2010 7:00 AM PDT
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PrintA couple days ago, Matt Barrows put together a post looking at 49ers players coming up for new contracts in the next two years. It included the usual folks like Vernon Davis, Dashon Goldson, and Manny Lawson. It also mentioned some intriguing folks like quarterback Alex Smith and wide receiver Jason Hill. At this point, Hill is the one I'm particularly intrigued by:
WR Jason Hill. It's tough being a receiver on a team that favors running backs and tight ends. And it got even tougher for Hill after the team drafted Michael Crabtree and signed Ted Ginn Jr. At best, Hill is fourth on the depth chart. Injuries certainly have played a role in limiting his opportunities, but the overarching issue for Hill - and Brandon Jones - is the offensive philosophy. That being said, look for Hill to seek greener pastures as a free agent.
Where does Jason Hill fall in the over-arching chain of things in the coming year(s). The addition of Ted Ginn might seem to bump him back. If Brandon Jones can prove himself healthy in training camp, he could very well leap frog him.
In the coming weeks we'll begin assembling our projected 53-man roster, which will revolve around assessments of each position unit. The wide receiver position provides a whole host of competition. Does Jason Hill have a role beyond 2010? More importantly, what is his role in 2010?
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I think Hill will be used about as much as he was last year.
Plus, there’s no gaurantee that Ginn Jr. will be the number 3 guy. Hopefully, the Niners Coaching Staff isn’t blowing smoke in mirrors and are true to their word about the best man wins the job. Whether it be Jones, Hill, or Ginn Jr. at number three, it should needless to say be the best guy out of the three. At least that’s the way I see it. Or maybe even split the time in to thirds… each one brings a unique skill-set.
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
Speed kills
I agree with your analysis, but as always, we need to pay attention to Coach Singletary’s comments. He has talked a lot about increasing team speed. That’s not only KR and PR, but also in the skill positions. I see the 49ers taking a very long look at Ginn, Williams, and Vann at slot receiver (and maybe CB for Vann, even if he is very short and light—-imagine him on Harvin in one game per season) as well as PR/KR in training camp, and all 3 making the roster at Hill’s expense is a possibility (remote, but possible). That would be an interesting rotation trio at slot receiver, wouldn’t it?
by seafood lover on May 8, 2010 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Hill and Jones are also very fast
Not quite as fast as Ginn.
But still…..
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on May 8, 2010 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Here's a question 4 you drew(and by the way what it do?ive been sick but feeling cool now)but
drew out of the three hill,jone,and ted ginn jr. who’s the fastest?
It would be between Hill and Ginn Jr… but I would lean maybe more toward Ginn. It would be an interesting race…. and to make things interesting, I’d even throw V. Davis in to the equation.
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
to make it even more interesting are we talking 40 yard dash
or 100?
In the 100 I think Ginn would beat them all. He’s got that extra gear in the long run that the others don’t. In the 40 it would be close between Ginn and Hill and VD
I was right, you were wrong.
Hill's future
Unfortunately I don’t think it will matter what happens, he will be allowed to walk after this season. There will be some competition in training camp though, and I feel like ironically it will be between Hill and Jones. Hill has to prove he’s worth a decent contract after this year somewhere if not with us. Jones needs to prove he’s worth the money he’s due this season if he’s allowed to stick around. If Williams shows enough, I think he makes the roster as the fifth receiver because he probably has a little too much all-around talent to be put on the PS and risk him being signed off it.
99 days to go. . .And contrary to popular belief, sadly I do not have ESP.
Man...thanks for the steal Fooch!
I was right about to comment with my own shout out to this dilemma myself, until the sand man caught up with me last night! (LOL) At any rate, I believe poor Jason has 2 things working against him and making his climb that much harder.
1) True to form, the Niners seem to be using more 2 TE sets and running the ball into the ground. That being said, unless the Niners begin to air it out a little more, I really can’t see them keeping hill around for too much longer. Crabtree’s spot is no doubt secure and there’s no way that the Niners are going to let a weapon like Davis sit on the sidelines, even if the formation doesn’t call for a TE. That said, he needs to come up bigger in the opportunities he gets. As in 3 yrs, he only has 40 recs., for 413 yds., and 4 TD’s. Not the kind of line you expect from a vet.
2) The obvious, San Fran’s signal callers have to do better when it comes to getting the ball into the hands of their playmakers. (And yes, I do mean other than Crabs, and V.D! the horror! THE HORROR!) Yes, getting the ball to other receivers means that the team isn’t a one trick pony and you have to cover ALL the field! It opens up even more opportunities for the 2 aforementioned go to guys. Jerry rice would have been nothing without John Taylor (I know….sacrelige!) but neither would have been anything without Montana or Young throwing them the ball. I am not too certain of the future of the guys we currently have under center, but, whomever it is, better get the ball to Jason for him to have any chance of sticking around.
Beyond that, the writing may already be on the wall for Ja. Hill as the Niners traded for T.G. “Deuce” (like that?) and they picked up Kyle Williams in the 6th rd of the draft. although by his rd seletion, he might not even make the team, history has a long list of late rd picks whose exceptional play made stagnant veterans a liability to own. There are only so many slots open on a roster and competition is tight. IMO, Jason will really have to wow the team in order to stay on, especially one who only has marginal numbers and a new contract to discuss. It may at this point be: Thanks for the memories.
K.C.Edwards -AKA- "THE" DarkkStarr
Do you realize that last
year we did not have many weapons. Crabs didn’t come on board till the 5th game. No camp no nothing. Foot-holdout. We only had Gore, VD, then a limited Crabs (didn’t know the play book). This year it’s a whole different ballgame. Just because of our first two picks in the draft, if they become monsters by the third game, will allow our offense to do a variety of different things. Sweeps, pulls, screens. Alex, when he drops back from center will be looking down field now. Not looking for a place to run ‘cause someone already has him in their sights. Speaking of “down field” we have more different types of WR’s & of course VD. This is the first time EVERYBODY is in the same system for the second straight year! That means a hell of a lot. Coach Sing & OC Ray-Ray will open the play book up. We will still run the ball. The run sets up the pass. Play action that the D will believe cause we are already running at will! All kinds of runs with both backs. Gore, & Dixon as I have stated before.
Have FAITHful!! The “Golden Duo,” Sing, & Ray, know just what have. Now it’s up to the players to step up & play! Everybody has to do their job better than “well!!” The End.
Leicester Donnie Jordan Jr
hamstrings
Since hill’s rookie year he’s always tweakin a hamstring and missing practice. The guy is a gameday baller but just isn’t consistent in practice availability. That works with some teams usually for veterans, and I know coach does that with guys like Cowboy and TKO. But with young guys you gotta prove it all the time with him, so unless he’s able to stay healthy and practice everyday for 16 weeks I think Hill will blossom somewhere else where the staff is more inclined to let him just play on sunday without putting in the work during the week
Can u c coach sing's vision? I do!......We all know PATRICK WILLIS is our future!
Who ever stays health
2010 is a make or break year for a lot of non-producing 49ers, they both can be gone, whY would the 49ers go out and get so many WR? Jason Hill could get cut, and Brandon Jones could get traded
Not traded
If any team is willing to take on the $3MM+ he’s due this season it would be a bit of a miracle. At worst he gets cut and they charge it as a $5.25MM mistake. However it will not surprise me, if the word going around that Hill is in Sing’s dog house is true, that Hill is given the ax if he doesn’t do enough in preseason. But that would still be a questionable move. Last season Hill proved to be a little more productive than Jones and Hill costs about $2.5MM less. He and Jones would basically have to be on opposite islands by the end of preseason for Hill to go. And I know it’s an uncapped year, but in this case I’m sure the team is still thinking in terms of value for the money.
99 days to go. . .And contrary to popular belief, sadly I do not have ESP.
anyone know why brandon jones isn't cut this year?
He’s paid a big amount and cutting him now wouldn’t count against the salary cap. teams are doing this all over the place to overpaid veterans.
Because he was hurt
The 49ers still don’t know what they have with him.
He was great in training camp and looked poised to win the No.1 WR job.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on May 8, 2010 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions
No he didn't.
He was pretty good in camp but in no way was it ever an implication that he was suddenly our No. 1 WR.
And then God created Saturn.. And he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
You go strolling through the crowd like Peter Lorre... contemplating a crime.
Plus they had to give quite a bit of playing time to I.Bruce
before he started getting “injured”.
I remember at some point B.Jones had an interview and he was saying that he is not sure why he is not getting playing time. He clearly did not say it was because of injuries. That’s a legitimate excuse to make yourself look better in a way rather than not playing because you’re not as good as others.
He was the highest paid WR on the team
Before the 49ers drafted Crabtree I was pretty sure that Jones was going to be given the opportunity to challenge for the No.1 WR job.
He was the best WR in training camp.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on May 8, 2010 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think he was.
He was the highest paid WR on the team, sure, but that’s because they needed the dimension he brought. And he was not the best WR in training camp. The team had no plans to make him a number one.
And then God created Saturn.. And he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
You go strolling through the crowd like Peter Lorre... contemplating a crime.
You don't know that yet. He was injured most of the year.
Say that after this year if he stays healthy and doesn’t do well. But to say that now is a bit premature.
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
I agree
His one catch was spectacular, and I’d like to see what he can do with more reps. We’ve just got a lot of receivers on the bubble this year
I was right, you were wrong.
He did it in college at OU all the time... and a few times even with the Titans
And unfortunately, I can’t link any highlights because all the B. Jones highlights are gone for some reason.
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
Here's a pretty cool vid of him anyway a few years ago... non-highlight reel.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlNqJ0l6KKs
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
I like those drills
the broom drill and the brick drill.
Man MGD’s legs are freakin huuge!
I was right, you were wrong.
MJD is huge
maybe not tall, but he’s definitely a Grade A wrecking ball. .
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
I'm also worried
that Hill will not last in SF beyond this season (if he makes it out of training camp)
He’s a solid possession receiver who could have a lengthy career as a 3rd/4h wideout
He's not a possession receiver
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on May 8, 2010 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes he is.
Hill’s strength is his route running and being a possession receiver. He’s very fast but it doesn’t really show on offense because the team uses him for his route running.
And then God created Saturn.. And he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
You go strolling through the crowd like Peter Lorre... contemplating a crime.
When I think Possession WR, I think TJ Houshmandzadeh, Wes Welker, Brandon Marshall, etc.
Hill doesn’t seem like the guy that’s going to catch 100 passes in a season.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on May 8, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Brandon Marshall is much more than that.
Welker is a slot receiver. Housh is a possession receiver, though. Hill is like that. Possession receiver doesn’t refer to necessarily the number of catches they make. Hill’s style is a possession receiver.
And then God created Saturn.. And he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
You go strolling through the crowd like Peter Lorre... contemplating a crime.
What would you call DeSean Jackson?
Because that is the exact type of receiver Hill was coming out of college.
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
In fact
Hill’s average was a lot higher in college. It’s not Hill’s fault that he is not used to his strengths by Jimmy Raye.
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
...? What kind of uh... I don't understand where you're going with this?
I don’t care how he was in college. I’m saying he’s a good route runner and thus far has been a possession receiver. I’m going by terminology here.
And then God created Saturn.. And he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
Eureka 49ers, my Niners blog.
I am disputing that he is a prototypical possession receiver.
Because he’s simply not. Or at least shouldn’t be used that way. He catches the ball very well, yes. But he is not being used to his strengths… which is why I referred to his strengths in college.
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
If he played for a team like the Eagles for instance… or the Pats… or any team that airs it out, I am sure he would be used much differently.
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
to his strengths in other words
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
Strengths?
What are they. Send him to an air it out team that has an air it out QB, we don’t have one as of yet.
"Singletary Football". To me, Singletary Football isn’t whether it’s on the ground or in the air. It’s about execution, discipline, and the mental toughness that will help predicate success.
Ugh... any chance you get to bash Smith...
starting to wear on me.
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
1:10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ7hFvHIGok&feature=related
Smith can get the ball deep. That was 50 yards in the air and he can get it further than that.
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
Never said he couldn't.
It wasn’t a knock on SMith. Out of the top ten QB’s in the league there are only four ready to be air it out QB’s, It’s not a knock on Smith, but it shows why it’s hard for every WR to blossom. Our best weapon is a TE, Crabs is our best WR, so Hill will come up short any way it’s sliced.
"Singletary Football". To me, Singletary Football isn’t whether it’s on the ground or in the air. It’s about execution, discipline, and the mental toughness that will help predicate success.
I didn't say he's a prototypical possession receiver.
You’re disputing with yourself. He’s played like a possession receiver in the pros, so he’s a possession receiver.
And then God created Saturn.. And he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
Eureka 49ers, my Niners blog.
If they decide to use him as a slot receiver...
…then he’ll be a slot receiver. Right now, he’s a possession receiver.
And then God created Saturn.. And he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
Eureka 49ers, my Niners blog.
Only because we didn't have time for him to do anything else
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
So? How does that have ANY affect on anything?
Are you aware that I’m the guy here on NN who gets absolutely furious when people don’t remember that he’s incredibly fast? You’re pointing out the fact that I already point out.. all the time.
And then God created Saturn.. And he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
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Well I haven’t seen any of those comments.. so I guess I am unaware. I was just taking on your stance above, that’s it.
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
Really?
Because every time I see Brandon Jones talk, I rant about Hill and people ignore me.
And then God created Saturn.. And he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
Eureka 49ers, my Niners blog.
I'll pay attention a little better and get your back next time, haha
But I do believe in Jones too… he just brings a different skill-set… and he IS a true possession wide receiver.
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
Jones
and he was my favorite WR to come out of Oklahoma in a very long time… so we’ll see what he can bring while healthy this year. I am more optimistic on what he brings than most here I think.
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
No he's not...
If Frank Gore lined up on a few plays as wide receiver, that doesn’t mean he’s a wide receiver… but I guess at this point we’ll have to agree to disagree.
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
No, because you're not getting my point.
So you’re disagreeing with yourself because I’m not even arguing with you, friend. If Frank Gore lined up next season as a wide receiver EVERY TIME and was used as a wide receiver, yes, he’d be a wide receiver.
And then God created Saturn.. And he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
Eureka 49ers, my Niners blog.
No, I am disagreeing with you… and what you said above to chikmagnet.
I dont think you’re getting my point. So let’s just chalk this one up to a firm disagreement on both sides, eh?
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
Lmao.
I’m a firm believer in Jason Hill, I’m a firm believer in him being a good, fast WR who can fit in the slot and stretch the field. But apparently we disagree. I don’t want him to be a possession receiver.
And then God created Saturn.. And he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
Eureka 49ers, my Niners blog.
MY POINT
Is that he IS a possession receiver because that’s how he’s used, completely regardless of WHY he’s used that way. “Because they didn’t have time to play him another way” is irrelevant.
And then God created Saturn.. And he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
Eureka 49ers, my Niners blog.
I guess you may have a small point. But I guess where I am coming from would be if we brought Desean Jackson on, and we used him the same way we use Hill, in my mind, he wouldn’t EVER be a “possession” receiver. I watched him a lot at Wash St. and maybe that has formed my perception as solid as concrete on what he IS… truely anyway.
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
I guess I feel like Hill's route running
is very underrated, and that makes it easier for me to be OK with him being a possession receiver… but at the same time, I want to see that punt coverage gunner speed on offense.
And then God created Saturn.. And he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
Eureka 49ers, my Niners blog.
Blame Jimmy Raye??
He had close to as many TD’s with more time with Martz. It’s something we don’t see that he obviously isn’t doing. Crabtree over Hill is easy. Morgan is our best blocking WR which leaves Hill 3rd or the odd man out. He has to be under-performing in practice. Or they want to see something more from him before they give him the time.
"Singletary Football". To me, Singletary Football isn’t whether it’s on the ground or in the air. It’s about execution, discipline, and the mental toughness that will help predicate success.
That's thing that's holding him back as you mentioned.
He isn’t a very good practice guy… but on game day he shows up. And that doesn’t sit well with Sing or Raye for that matter. I am kinda torn on that issue. But I do believe that Raye’s offensive style limits Hill… and potentially Ginn and Williams now too.
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
Based on what? We had WR's down field open, it was just VD got the pass.
I wouldn’t say that it’s Raye’s offense, but the opportunities for Hill. I think he was open on one of Crabtree’s TDs and Vernon’s.
"Singletary Football". To me, Singletary Football isn’t whether it’s on the ground or in the air. It’s about execution, discipline, and the mental toughness that will help predicate success.
Based on his weak style of offense...
He rarely calls plays that are downfield. His offensive style limits WR’s and caters to the TE’ and RB’s. That is a big reason why there were never any really good WR’s in his time in K.C…. cause it was run, run, get it to Tony Gonzales and get it to Gonzales some more. It’s also a big reason why K.C. never amounted to squat in his time there. And it’s really a shame because I believe that Crabtree’s receiving skills are second to none on anyone else on that team… AND alot of the other receivers are extremely talented too… but because of his weak game-planning won’t be utilized enough.
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
Ok, so it was his fault the team had Alexander as a WR.
It was his fault the defense was not that great. I guess it was Grbac that engineered that 4000 yard season, and Gonzalez had 2 or 3 thousand of those yards receiving. Alexander was a 1000 yard receiver for KC and when Raye left he was invisible. Shaun Hill threw a 50 yard pass in Rayes offense, so I have to take this whole thing with a grain of salt. I don’t think this is the case, and not to mention, he has to trust the OL can block long enough for them to get open.
"Singletary Football". To me, Singletary Football isn’t whether it’s on the ground or in the air. It’s about execution, discipline, and the mental toughness that will help predicate success.
So you're going to deny that Raye's offense cater's to TE's and RB's?
They’ve openly said that… and in terms of success… he was only the OC his last three years with KC…. none of which they went to the playoffs… they had Andre Rison. I’d say he was a pretty legit WR.
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
and he didn’t break 1000 yards.
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
1390 yds with Raye as coordinator and Amexander was not a good WR.
http://www.nfl.com/players/derrickalexander/profile?id=ALE225855
"Singletary Football". To me, Singletary Football isn’t whether it’s on the ground or in the air. It’s about execution, discipline, and the mental toughness that will help predicate success.
Andre Rison was through when he left ATL.
"Singletary Football". To me, Singletary Football isn’t whether it’s on the ground or in the air. It’s about execution, discipline, and the mental toughness that will help predicate success.
No I am not, but TE and RB are the best offensive weapons on this team.
I know when he was OC in KC, like I said Grbac threw for 4000 yds in his system, Alexander, the WR from Michighan was his main WR not Rison. When a QB throws for 4000 yds that shows the offense isn’t catered to the RB and TE, he is gona take whats given to him. You cannnot honestly say that despite what you have at OL you are gonna call every play in your playbook?
"Singletary Football". To me, Singletary Football isn’t whether it’s on the ground or in the air. It’s about execution, discipline, and the mental toughness that will help predicate success.
I think the reason he "seemed" like a slot receiver is due to tha lack of time Smith or Hill
had in the pocket. He was pretty much limited to those shorter routes. When he was at Washington, his strength was stretching the field. If Smith get’s more time this year, we should see more downfield shots to Hill… well if the coaching staff is smart anyway. If you put Hill, Ginn, and Williams on the field at the same time, that could prove to be pretty lethal. Somebody on the defense is getting burnt.
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
excuse me…. I meant “seemed” like a possession receiver.
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
Check out his averages while with Wash St:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=145242
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
He was open down field in the Seattle game we loss on Smith's last pass.
"Singletary Football". To me, Singletary Football isn’t whether it’s on the ground or in the air. It’s about execution, discipline, and the mental toughness that will help predicate success.
Hill ran a 4.32 at the combine
The guy is fast and injuries have sidelined his progress. I like him but he needs to step up and flat out win the 3rd WR job. I just want wins! Don’t care who plays if they lose games. “I Want Winners!”
Can we trade some WR's?
I feel like Hill / Jones need to be traded so that SF can get some value.before they leave!
Neither has any trade value
Hill is in the last year of his contract and teams can just wait until 2011.
Jones’ contract is too big for anyone to trade for him (unless we traded him for another player with a bad contract).
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on May 8, 2010 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Personally, I would let Jones hit the road.
Crabtree, Hill, Morgan, Ginn, and Williams is more than enough talent.
"Singletary Football". To me, Singletary Football isn’t whether it’s on the ground or in the air. It’s about execution, discipline, and the mental toughness that will help predicate success.
Might as well see what he has to offer in camp...
…of course he could get injured again and they’d have to pay him for the entire year again….
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
by SportsChicken on May 8, 2010 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
No we shouldn't. No time to waste, we need to sign VD.
Why wait until he has another big year and demand the highest paid TE contract? The time to resign he and Goldson is upon us and Jones’s contract is in the way.
"Singletary Football". To me, Singletary Football isn’t whether it’s on the ground or in the air. It’s about execution, discipline, and the mental toughness that will help predicate success.
That would make sense
I am kind of surprised more teams are not taking advantage of the uncapped year to let go of players with bad contracts. I am not sure on the amount of guaranteed money left on Jones’s contract, but it cannot be so ridiculous that they are stuck with this guy. However, has VD said he wants a new contract now? I understand the urgency of the FO to lock up a playmaker like VD long term, but are you saying the time is now because VD is unhappy?
by ZeroOneInfinity on May 8, 2010 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
VD is in his last year of his contract, and he would easily be offered more money elsewhere.
"Singletary Football". To me, Singletary Football isn’t whether it’s on the ground or in the air. It’s about execution, discipline, and the mental toughness that will help predicate success.
Either Hill or Jones
Whoever stands out in camp. Or if neither does, then both are gone.
by Bob In Beaverton on May 8, 2010 12:45 PM PDT reply actions
I question the ability of the Wide Receiver Coach
It has seemed to me for the entire last year that the most productive receivers were not necessarily the ones on the game day roster, or getting into the games if they were.
Brandon Jones was only targeted for one or two passes all of last year.
I’m not sure if that is Jimmy Raye’s fault or the fault of the WR coach giving the feedback. And I think Hill was definitely in a doghouse last year. But when you look at his second year production, especially in the second half of the year with Shawn Hill in the Mike Martz offense, he was productive.
I’d like to see them trade Hill to Chicago for Danieal Manning. I think Hill is starter capable in the NFL, but for whatever reasons, I don’t think it will ever happen with the 49ers. The Niners seem full at WR, and still a little weak in the secondary. Manning is healthy, fast, capable of returning kickoffs and punts, and can play at a reserve level at all four secondary spots.
When you factor in that Martz is aware of what JH can bring to the table, I think this is a good trade for both sides.
They're called RUNS for a reason.
I'm think it's just the nature of the game
While we really can’t tell anything about Jones from the 5 passes thrown his way (according to FO), IMO the real problem isn’t the scheme (the passing game was opened up quite a bit after Smith replaced Hill) it’s simply about getting the best players on the field at one time. Assuming your baseline is 5 OL/1QB/1RB/1TE (I think we can agree that in nearly all situations Gore/Davis should be on the field) there’s only 3 spots, and assuming Crabtree doesn’t stagnate there’s only 2 spots for tons of guys to split time over, anything from having another TE (I’m of a mind if we didn’t have VD Delanie Walker would be an adequate starting TE), another RB/FB and the tons of guys WR. There’s really no room for all these guys to get any sort of significant playing time.
On the plus side it is a wonderful problem to have given just a few years ago how the 49ers would have killed to have 2 legitimate starting WRs.
good post Deelron
using your assumptions, which I agree with, it looks like the Niners should trade one or two of their depth wide receivers for depth at another position. I remember last year when they set the roster, they were very wide receiver heavy, and hardly used them, that limited their flexibility in other places. Especially the Defensive Backfield
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I’m not excited about morgan, ginn, jones, hill, all need to show me a little more to be a solid number 2 receiver…it seems like we have a lot of # 3 and 4 wrs…..crabtree and davis carry the receiving load at this point…
Davis/Crabtree
Even though that’s technically our #1 WR and tight end, that’s still looking a potential deadly receiver duo. If that’s the case, having guys like Morgan et al behind isn’t exactly that bad a deal. We’ve got two potentially great “receivers” at this point, so having #3/#4 type receivers would seem fine to me given that.
by David Fucillo on May 8, 2010 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I would be so okay with trading Morgan
I think we can find a solid starting #2 receiver from the depth at the position, and I think we could get the most in return from trading Morgan, who at this moment looks to the league like a starting wide receiver.
I actually think Hill is a better Wide Receiver than Morgan at things like GETTING OPEN and CATCHING THE BALL. Perhaps Morgan is a better blocker, but they made their point.
They're called RUNS for a reason.
+1
I love Hill. He’s an SF native so I enjoy rooting for him. He gives everything he’s got on the field. As long as injuries do not plague him throughout training camp, I bet he will have a solid role on the team once the season starts. I can tell Singletary likes him but was reluctant to use him much after his poor training camp (in which he sat out most of the time due to his injuries). When healthy, there’s no question the man can deliver, especially with his YAC. I wish him the best of luck next season. I hope he re-signs for 2011 and beyond.
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