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2010 49ers Roster Projections: Cornerbacks

We continue working up to our full 53-man roster projection by taking a look at the 49ers cornerback position. To date we've discussed we've discussed the quarterbacks, the running backs, the fullbacks, and the safeties. The 49ers secondary has a lot of talent, but also has it's fair share of potential question marks. Part of the issue in assessing the quality of the cornerbacks is the issue of the pass rush. On the one hand, the 49ers defense accumulated a fairly large number of sacks in 2009, but on the other hand, it seemed like there were extended stretches of time when the opposing quarterback had way too much time to wait for the cornerbacks to finally lose their man. In assessing the cornerbacks as a whole, how do you assess their general ability?

Lock
Shawntae Spencer, Tarell Brown, Nate Clements

Bubble
Karl Paymah, Will James, Keith Smith, Phillip Adams, LeRoy Vann, Tramaine Brock

In looking over the roster, the 49ers have a bundle of cornerbacks that will be battling in training camp. The team went with five cornerbacks on their opening 53-man roster, not including Allen Rossum. There is some solid talent, and even the veteran free agents they team added (Paymah, James, Smith) all bring a little something to the table. Ideally, a guy like Phillip Adams would bust through and give the team a reason to keep him off the practice squad.

The other guy worth noting, LeRoy Vann, is one of the more intriguing options given his abilities in the return game. He's on the bubble of the roster, in part because he might need to prove himself sufficiently capable at cornerback. Allen Rossum never really got on the field as a cornerback during his time with the 49ers outside of practice. However, he was also among the all-time leaders in return yards, so the team had no problem cutting him some slack. Vann on the other hand, is a rookie with a lot of talent who has not proven thing one at the NFL level. We'll see what he can do in training camp.

After the jump though, we take a look at the man who inspires plenty of debate here at Niners Nation...

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There are certain guys on the 49ers that get the fans riled up fairly easily. Michael Lewis is one of those guys, and among the cornerbacks, Nate Clements is another of those guys. Some folks will ride these guys into the ground and are convinced the 49ers should be getting rid of them as soon as possible. They consider them washed up and finished. For a guy like Clements, I'd imagine his large contract makes him easy fodder for the haters.

I'm certainly not saying people should be falling all over themselves in support of the guy, but I do think there's still a decent amount left in the tank. He's not and never will be an absolute shut-down corner like Champ Bailey or Nnamdi Asomugha. While he certainly is getting paid plenty, I remain convinced he brings plenty to the table and is a strong asset in the 49ers starting line, as a cornerback. I would certainly like to see Tarell Brown step up in training camp and completely surpass him on the depth chart. At the same time, if it doesn't happen, I'd like to think it's because Clements provides certain essential elements that Brown has not sufficiently developed.

Among other things, he is as strong an open field tackler as there is at the cornerback position. Clements is a monstrous asset in protecting the run, and I would argue that when he was knocked out for the season, the rush defense took a nasty hit going forward. And while he struggles at times in pass coverage, he still can provide help when needed. In fact, some of his biggest games have come against some of the premier wide receivers in the NFL. He's also been burned badly at times, but I think the 49ers get much more positive out of Clements than negative.

The question at this point in time is how he'll recover from his scapula injury. The injury knocked him out in early November and he was unable to return. Since then, much of the discussion has been about moving him to safety. That's quieted with the addition of Taylor Mays, but some folks still trumpet that kind of idea. I'm not saying it won't happen at some point in the future, but I strongly believe 2010 is too soon for that kind of move.

At the end of the day, it'd be fantastic if Tarell Brown could finally take control of the #2 cornerback position. I think Nate Clements would be quite solid as a nickel back. If Brown could gain sufficient confidence from the coaching staff, that would put the 49ers in a position to get younger while also getting cheaper in the secondary. At the same time, I think that if Brown is not able to take that next step in his growth as a cornerback, the 49ers remain in a good position among their top 3 cornerbacks heading into 2010.

Poll
Who will be the 49ers starting cornerbacks week 1 of the 2010 regular season?
Spencer-Clements
589 votes
Spencer-Brown
88 votes
Clements-Brown
43 votes
Other
15 votes

735 votes | Poll has closed

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Another thing to note

Some starting CB’s move inside in Nickel. Brown has done that some in OTA’s already and coincidentally, Paymah used to play outside in Nickel in Minnesota because they’d move Winfield (or whomever started) inside. Clements could play outside in Nickel and Brown in the slot, if Brown indeed could supplant Clements.

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by Tre9er on Jun 14, 2010 11:00 AM PDT reply actions  

So youre okay with ''T.brown''at that 3rd spot because i'm not as confident as i was a couple years ago

i know he’s virtually still young but last year he had some’’ WTF is he doing moments’’?

by jayjonna415 on Jun 14, 2010 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah

he’s solid in Nickel I think. He has to improve this year though. I don’t really want a guy his age who can’t crack the lineup after all this time unless he’s the best damn nickel CB there is.

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by Tre9er on Jun 14, 2010 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just really hope James gets a chance in training camp and the like to show his stuff. I don’t want the team to fool themselves into thinking Paymah is their best option, he has never been a very good corner.

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by James Brady on Jun 14, 2010 11:23 AM PDT reply actions  

well, Brooks proved something to me

that a guy can go unnoticed for a while then the right team, the right coaching can turn them into a pretty decent player. So let’s not write off Paymah’s future solely based on his past.

But I would like to see James get some solid time. I have to admit though, watching him get torched on that double move by Crabtree isn’t encouraging…

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by Tre9er on Jun 14, 2010 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

But Paymah has had significant playing time. He’s played in plenty, and I mean plenty of games to show me he’s not good. Brooks was under the radar on the ‘unproven’ side. Paymah was under the radar because he was detrimental to coverage earlier on in his career. Maybe he’s better now, I’ll embrace him if he makes the team but I’d like to see good things from him.

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by James Brady on Jun 14, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

he was only not good because

he kept asking teams to do something and they never did…he kept saying “Pay Mah!”

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by Tre9er on Jun 14, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

paymah telephone bills

paymah automobills

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by Tre9er on Jun 14, 2010 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

See, now this is the point where..

‘Tre will be Tre’ is an insult. :]

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by James Brady on Jun 14, 2010 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm a pun guy

I love dumb jokes. They make ME laugh so STHU

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by Tre9er on Jun 14, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

When you stop to think about them… treadmills are pretty dangerous.

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by James Brady on Jun 14, 2010 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

you're here all week

unfortunately

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by Tre9er on Jun 14, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Whiteboards are remarkable.

Argued with a friend about which was the best vowel. I won.

I’ve a friend named Tiba, personally, I think he’s a bit backwards.

I can literally keep going with these, I have about 50 more, 40 of which I’ve come up with myself.

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by James Brady on Jun 14, 2010 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Your sense of humor is very similar to mine.

I frequently punish my friends. Hopefully, we’ll never meet face-to-face, we’d drive anybody within earshot to commit murder (most of my friends claim I do that to them all by myself)

After all was said and done, a lot more got said than done.

by OldJock on Jun 14, 2010 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

besides

I’m sure the smell of that old jock you’re wearing could kill a man coming within 15 feet of you.

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by Tre9er on Jun 15, 2010 4:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thank you,now 4 some reason i just think this ''paymah''dude may be solid once we signed him months ago

i looked up his playing history he has ’’’struggled’some in the NFL but as far as his college days he was a really good player ‘’my brain fart want allow me 2 name that college it could be the erb 2 lol ’’who knows.But 4 some reason i just think he’s going 2 be solid 4 us now i’m no fortune teller either so get back 2 me on that????

by jayjonna415 on Jun 14, 2010 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

no Ahmad Brooks

I know he’s not a CB, but my point was that he was released by the Bengals…released! now I believe he’ll put up 10 sacks and a few more big plays for us in 2010. Just goes to show you take a guy, change his scenery, coach him up…some times you end up polishing a jewel from a rock.

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by Tre9er on Jun 14, 2010 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

So ''fooch''is knocking ''shantae spencer''up out of that 2nd spot or i'm not reading correctly,would of asked him

this question but he’s not in here,but was that what he was saying ,cuzz i agree athlectic ability,check,big-play ability,check,awareness ability,yeaaaa i don’t know yet?

by jayjonna415 on Jun 14, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

do you believe Spencer wont be the CB2 in 2010?

that

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by Tre9er on Jun 14, 2010 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

CBs

He might be. I probably didn’t word the poll correctly. I’m just talking about the two starting corners, not necessarily who will be #1 and who will be #2. Just the top two on the field.

by David Fucillo on Jun 14, 2010 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why do you like ''james''like that i find him 2 be a ''average''CB at best + how old is he,me i haven't

seen anything on tape 2 make me feel like he could win one of those potential positions maybe he can prove me wrong????

by jayjonna415 on Jun 14, 2010 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think we still need better speed at CB

All of the guys listed here are SLOW!!! 9ers need more speed in the defensive backfield for this club!! Clement is old and should be traded for whatever we can get for him ASAP!!! The rest listed here may someday be decent safeties or nickel/dime guys but we need a speedy shutdown corner that can cut the field in half for any opponent!!!
GO 9ers!!!!!!

by NorCalFaithful on Jun 14, 2010 12:33 PM PDT reply actions  

T.Brown is fairly fast

I have to look up 40 times because I can’t remember any, though we all know field-speed trumps 40’s.

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by Tre9er on Jun 14, 2010 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah

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by Tre9er on Jun 14, 2010 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yea ''start him''lol he's ''winner''just don't turn ''them horns up-side down''i might just go ''vince young''on you,

but i’m a big ‘’longhorn fan’’and their DBs they put out be pretty solid,now if he was a WR then i would be worried are WRs have been suspect.

by jayjonna415 on Jun 14, 2010 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

if he hadn't broken his foot

and got busted for herb twice…he could have been a late first or early 2nd rounder.

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by Tre9er on Jun 14, 2010 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

apparently T.Brown ran one of the fastest 10 yard times

1.46 —Tarell Brown (CB), Texas — 2007

so he has good initial speed, good for a bump CB with safeties over the top.

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by Tre9er on Jun 14, 2010 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

he ran somewhere in the 4.45-4.55 range

but is said by scouts I read to be “faster than advertised” on the field. I think he’s quick and not slow by any means.

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by Tre9er on Jun 14, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

top of my head...

5’11"?

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by Tre9er on Jun 14, 2010 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I used 2 think ''Tbrown''was a ''lock'' at the 3rd spot 2 i don't think so after last year more than a few

times he was on ‘’ Another island ’’but this island was ‘’ Lost ’’he was caught looking around wondering who’s covering who.I think ‘’philip adams ’’has enough talent 2 surprise some people out there and just because he played at 1 of the smaller colleges he has accomplished alot so i’m looking at him sneaking in that 3rd spot unless T.B steps u his game again?

by jayjonna415 on Jun 14, 2010 12:44 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm anxious for Clements to get here

Until Spencer starts to play poorly, he’s a great #2. We all know how technically sound he is. He’s a very physical CB, with good size. What he lacks in speed he makes up in positioning. I’m very happy with him being our #2.

When it comes to Clements I think most of it was already said. He is an outstanding open field tackler, and reads the plays pretty well. There’s also a flip side to him sitting out for so long – he may have gotten his legs under him. We’ve all seen players improve themselves physically over an offseason. If Clements comes in focused and faster than last year I’m happy with him as well.

Brown is a solid #3 and nickel back.

If Mays can get ready by mid season, his speed would be extremely helpful to Clements and Spencer. We could gamble a lot more on corner blitzes which would help out the secondary in a big way. Spencer, Goldson and Clements are all good blitzers.

I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT

by goatfather on Jun 14, 2010 2:02 PM PDT reply actions  

Fooch, you left Patrick Stoudamire off your lists

After all was said and done, a lot more got said than done.

by OldJock on Jun 14, 2010 7:09 PM PDT reply actions  

this

I know he doesn’t get a lot of mention, but he’s probably even with Vann on the CB level, just not a returner.

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by Tre9er on Jun 14, 2010 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

even coming in, I meant.

possibly more potential with his height.

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by Tre9er on Jun 14, 2010 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think he probably has more potential as a CB than Vann

It’s just that in the OP, Fooch mentioned every CB on the roster except for Stoudamire. He’s one I’m hoping gets PS’d.

Vann doesn’t excite me as a corner, though there is some potential there (Sing cited his big heart—I love those types of players—remember Bill Ring?). He excites me as a potential return specialist. He’s gotten a few reps as a slot receiver, as well.

After all was said and done, a lot more got said than done.

by OldJock on Jun 14, 2010 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also read somewhere on here the other day..

that Vann said there was some talk about him playing some COP back as well. WhenI first heard some people talking about it after he got picked up by us, I thought “nahhh no way”. But now being that we seem to have heard it straight from “The Mini-Vann” himself, maybe that will go on as well. So if you’ve got a guy that’s a KR, CB, RB and WR, you might want to keep him on the team.

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jun 14, 2010 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

That, and the big heart I mentioned...

After all was said and done, a lot more got said than done.

by OldJock on Jun 15, 2010 12:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

he said wherever they want him to play

he’ll be the best at that/those position(s) that he can be.

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by Tre9er on Jun 15, 2010 4:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Pack a lunch..............

I just hope we can get more pressure on the QB or these CB’s are gonna be exposed as the biggest weakness on the team.

by Italia1970 on Jun 14, 2010 9:11 PM PDT reply actions  

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