Does Nate Byham have a place on the roster?
At about this point last year, roster projections started rolling out, and if I recall correctly (this writer is a lazy one and refuses to look such things up), a good portion (read: all) of them had Bear Pascoe making the final 53-man roster as the third string and blocking tight end. It wasn't reported that he was bad at it, but he was "coming along slowly." Later, reports came out saying that the coaches thought he played (blocked) "soft".
So this season they went and drafted the complete opposite of that. Don't get me wrong, I was big on Bear, and I scratched my head for a long while on the Byham pick, but he is exactly what the team wants in a blocking tight end... if they keep one. I rationalize that, if you're going to keep a player who basically is there for one reason in the great scheme of things, shouldn't that player meet every criteria you have to play that particular position? They want a guy who can do it, who want's to do it, and doesn't mind getting dirty doing it. Billy Bajema was missing something--does Byham have it?
One of the hardest things to do with roster projections is to consider the players who are no longer battling with players at their position. Nate Byham is not battling with Tony Curtis or J.J. Finley, at least as I see it. Curtis reportedly has been working on his blocking (no source, again, sue me) but they're both better pass-catchers, it seems. Finish after the jump.
What I'm getting at is that Byham will have to outplay another player of another position to make the roster. I wonder if he can do it? When I write up a roster projection, it's very easy to just list Vernon Davis, Delanie Walker and move on. But when I really think about it, when I consider that this team will definitely be running, and they will definitely have plays where an extra blocker is needed, wouldn't Byham benefit more than not? It's all well and good to bring up an extra offensive lineman to block, but that lineman poses no threat of anything else. Byham, at least, seems to have decent hands and has appeared to be a good blocker, something that will be tested to its full in training camp.
Many teams in the league keep a blocking tight end, and many of them have long careers in the NFL, always having a roster spot, relatively unknown, sometimes staying on a roster for 10 years, other times doing spot-blocking on 15 different teams in the same span, but they are definitely still kept around.
His competition is someone like Brit Miller, because Byham has been noted as someone who could also play the backup fullback position. He'll have to show that he brings more to the team than Brit, which will be hard to do as Miller is quickly becoming someone the coaches are excited about. He'll also have competition with backup cornerbacks, safeties, defensive lineman, linebackers, offensive lineman, wide receivers and more. It will be a daunting task. Let's not proceed as if his only competition is Miller, however (I foresee every post being 'Miller > Byham' and missing the entire point).
So when you think about it, and I mean really think about it, does Byham have a spot on the 49ers 2010 roster? Not necessarily will he make it, but does he has a place here? Can he bring more than say, the sixth wide receiver? The blocking is certainly valued... just thought I'd get some discussion on the guy.
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From what I saw yesterday
He was getting chewed out by TE coach Pete Hoener during blocking drills. I talked with him and he said that he’s still learning the ropes. However, he seemed very confident in his craft.
He got a lot of reps as a receiving tight end yesterday, so it is interesting to see how his versatility can help him.
Unfortunately I wasnt around to see Bear Pascoe last year, so I cannot compare him.
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If he is in there for blocking.........
Then why don’t they just put Boone in there as a run blocker. Some teams do this and it is effective. I would imagine Boone as a mauler more than Byham. Byham can catch better than Boone (no brainer) but if they want a TE to chip block and then go out for a pass, they have the best blocking TE in football (Davis). It will be interesting to see what they do.
My thought on ...
Byham vs. Boone @ T.E. blocking on short and third or goal line is … they seem’d to be predictable with a line man there .. IMO Byham may juz give them more opportunity…!!
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Not really
It’s not like Byham is this great receiving TE that gives the 49ers a whole new level of unpredictability.
If he’s on the field then it will be a run 95% of the time, the other 5% may be: Sacks (because the OL can’t hold the run blitz), dropped passes by Byham (because he’s really not that good), or maybe a lucky completion.
If the 49ers are going to run the ball when the other team knows that they’re going to run the ball then they might as well put a real blocker in as the 6th OL.
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by SportsChicken on Jun 15, 2010 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Rite Jimmy ....
since you and Mister Raye have the same thought let’s juz stick to the same oh .. if we show run then run we shall …you dont havta be a great receiver to crack down and release to the flat for a five yard toss …!!
Kewl
Yes, right.
Mike Singletary on running the football:
“We want to be able to run the ball when we need to run the ball and the defense knows we’re going to run the ball”.
Translation:
When it’s 4th and 2 we want to line up in a power formation and be able to pick up 3 yards even though the defense knows exactly what play we’re running.
The Jets made it to the playoffs doing just that.
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by SportsChicken on Jun 15, 2010 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Has anyone seen Boone try to catch the ball yet?
Boone may make the team as the backup T and blocking/receiving TE. That would be a load for a linebacker to see a 300+ lb TE coming at you as a receiver.
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reports from the field at OTA's
says he moves like a TE in space, very nimble.
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He does what Pascoe didn't
moves well in space – taking good angles
He appears to find holes in the defense, gets open and catches the ball.
I think James is dead on about his competition. Its a nice little wrinkle to add into the equation. When the 2nd TE goes in motion, say Byham and Davis are on the field, he can swing for a strong side run, kick out Davis into the slot, or sit in the backfield on either side as a lead blocker.
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
Catches the ball?
What proof have you of this?
He barely got any targets in college. And he dropped a pass on his first day of practice (only two targets).
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by SportsChicken on Jun 15, 2010 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions
he sees the practices sometimes dude.
and I’ve heard that Byham has caught a few passes (3 yesterday I think) in OTA’s so it’s not like he’s completely incapable of it.
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yes
I don’t think I’ve seen him drop one in team play yet.
I played TE and WR and also basketball. I think I have a good eye for catching\hands ability.
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
he did drop one
In his very first practice.
I believe it was from Nate Davis.
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by SportsChicken on Jun 15, 2010 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I'll take it
Plus Davis throws some serious lasers
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
this
I wonder if his touch passes, screens, dump offs, are the ones he needs the most work on? Can he throw a fade or does he just tattoo the back of the DB’s head with the ball?
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from what I saw
he struggles with the touch passes. I watched him overthrow the back of the endzone from about 30 yards 4 to 5 times in a row. Smith and Carr meantime hit almost every one of them.
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
those touch passes do come with practice, reps with WR's though
so there’s hope
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he has gotten a lot of reps
If anything we should have a good idea of his abilities by the end of camp even.
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
proof
86 catches as a jr.sen.in hs..must be a reason he was selected as 2006 ARMY AA and the #1 te in the country…really doubt he lost his recieving skills in college…a change in offense cord.last yr may be the reson his recs were down…
by franklinfan on Jun 21, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
I say he makes the roster
If he has some skills catching the ball and he really has the grit to get in there and block, he’s more valuable than an extra WR in our TE friendly scheme. The only real upper hand the WRs have is they can return kicks. However, having an extra blocker on ST, which Byham would do, is just as important. I’ll still hold final judgement until the pads go on.
ALL depends on special teams.
If he doesn’t play well on special teams, like really well…he wont make the roster.
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Well he's most likely competing with Miller then?
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by SportsChicken on Jun 15, 2010 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions
see my fanpost
he’s competing with a host of people who need special teams play to put them over the top
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I went on a sick rage when the team drafted this guy.
I’ve calmed down since then, but I still don’t want him on the team.
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You and Drew both
I don’t think he makes the team this year. We may stash him on the practice squad for a year
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I can't see it
unless he’s a monster on special teams, and we have a few guys like that already see: Miller, Brit. Robinson, Michael.
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(can't see him making team either)
is what I meant
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Only to see the team draft another "blocking specialist" next year
I don’t see why they can’t just make Miller a FB/TE/Special teams ace.
Saves a roster spot that can be used for an extra returner (in case Ginn or Williams falter halfway through the season).
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by SportsChicken on Jun 15, 2010 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
For a team like the 49ers that relies on the TE…
It seems a little stupid to roster only 2 real TE’s. God forbid that either VD or Walker get injured, what do you do?
This team either needs 3 real TE’s on the roster, or at least a few on the practise squad.
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by Hoopers Judge on Jun 16, 2010 1:22 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
They only kept 2 TEs on the roster last year
The 49ers rely on Vernon Davis because he’s a freak.
It’s not like the offense is built around the TE position.
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by SportsChicken on Jun 16, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
this
would solve the roster issues. IF Miller can block the way they need a 3rd TE to block.
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Please, please, please give me a reason you do not want Nate Byham on the team.
I cannot even imagine why you would not want this guy on the team. Are you saying you don’t need him or do you think he’s not good enough. Please explain your position so I can shoot it down.
by Derricksgrammy on Jun 21, 2010 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Bynam is still a rookie
let the dude get in and take his lumps and get use to his role. U really can’t judge whats going on with his play or anything else until they put on those pads and start hitting. U never know with the high level Davis is playing some of the ways Davis prepares and do little things can rub off on the rookie. He can pickup from Walker also. Fullback might be a possibility also.
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Byham is a lot heavier than the other two
He could make the team (even though I’m not for it) just for short yardage/ goaline situations. I seriously doubt he’s going to be used for anything other than that. With Delanie and Vernon already on the team, there would be much room for any playing time other than that. At least that’s my two cents.
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What I don't understand
Is why the 49ers don’t actually draft a TE to compete with Delanie Walker instead of drafting blocking specialists that will never be able to make it past Walker on the depth chart.
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by SportsChicken on Jun 15, 2010 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
This
I would’ve loved for us to pick up Dennis Pitta from BYU. Two pass-catching TEs who can also block? All sorts of things you could do with that.
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Right on!
Could you imagine having another stud tight end lining up with Vernon Davis! With Crabtree and Davis already, if you put a tall receiving tight end with them two it would cause major mismatches for the defense!
by Alex Smith #1 on Jun 15, 2010 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Exactly
Plus you can also run out of that formation because Davis, Crabtree, and PItta are all very good blockers.
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by SportsChicken on Jun 15, 2010 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Pitta went before round 6 though right?
I was kind of eying him but I didn’t think the 49ers would pull the trigger.
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by SportsChicken on Jun 15, 2010 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions
where did Dorin Dickerson go?
I don’t know about his blocking, probably not great, but he was one heckuva physical specimen in terms of speed and agility.
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was VD a great blocker at Maryland?
or did he develop that in the NFL? I saw Dickerson as the closest thing to VD in this year’s draft because of his speed and explosiveness.
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I think VD developed into a good blocker in 2008
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by SportsChicken on Jun 16, 2010 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Dickerson
went to the texans in the 7th round,now being moved to wr…you dont play te at 228lbs in the nfl
by franklinfan on Jun 21, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
NO HE DIDN'T
Dickerson went to Huston a round later!
by Derricksgrammy on Jun 29, 2010 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions
He better make the roster, by virtue of us spending 2 picks to fill Bajema’s position. You can argue they were only 6th round picks, but we found Morgan in the 6th as well. To me we would have been better served if we just kept Bajema for the role he played. Unless if Byham works out. He seems to have all the tools, and has a better pedigree then Pascoe. Hopefully its not another pick wasted.
It probably is another wasted pick.
But you’re right, they should have just kept Bajema.
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by SportsChicken on Jun 15, 2010 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Bear
I honestly though they drafted him for special teams. He blocked like 6 kicks when he was at Fresno State.
FYI I went to high school with him, same class (‘04). He is a pretty chill dude. Say what you want about his skills, but don’t dis the man, he’s a great guy.
Who dissed him?
I didn’t once.
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by James Brady on Jun 15, 2010 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm guessing the 49ers dissed him?
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by SportsChicken on Jun 15, 2010 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions

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