Golden Nuggets: So I may have been the only one--oh well.
Well good morning to everyone. Ninjames here and all that good stuff, coming at you with some more Nuggets. Yesterday was eventful, everyone was glued to their computer screens, staring at the beat writers' blogs and respective Twitters in anticipation of whether or not LB Manny Lawson would attend the mandatory minicamp. Alright, so maybe that was just myself and Tre9er, leave us alone. Still, he ended up attending them, and I gotta say I'm very relieved. I was getting more and more confident with Ahmad Brroks as a starter, but let's be real: this defense is a better defense with Manny Lawson on it. It's faster, it is more capable of defending a pass, it is smarter. Lawson also bulked up quite a bit, or so he claims. Should be interesting. Enjoy all the links and other stuff I have for you, folks.
Alex Smith ended yesterday's practice with two interceptions. It's not something you want to hear, but, as noted in one of the tweets below, the defense was playing well. Also, more notes from yesterday. (Examiner.com)
Manny Lawson, Nate Clements and Shawntae Spencer all regained their starting spots once reporting to minicamp. (SacBee.com)
Lawson is pushing the team for a new contract. I hope they don't give it to him right away, I wouldn't mind working with him during the season though if he's putting up numbers on a weekly basis. (SacBee.com)
Balmer rejoined the second team yesterday, which is always a good thing. This year is do-or-die for Balmer, he needs to do well. Also, Maiocco's notes on practice. (CSNBayArea.com)
Barber's observations from yesterday's minicamp. Glad to see Barber paying a bit more attention to different players than the other writers. (PressDemocrat.com)
Just throwing my own bit in there about Lawson and him showing up yesterday. (Eureka49ers.com)
Lawson says he wants his future to be with the 49ers. I'm glad to hear that, it's good to know that it's not just about the money, he does want a long-term contract. (CSNBayArea.com)
Manny also says he never considered skipping the minicamp. (PressDemocrat.com)
Here's a Q&A that Barber had with Manny Lawson yesterday. (PressDemocrat.com)
Maiocco conducted a Q&A, here's the article on it right here. (CSNBayArea.com)
It was a packed house at the 49ers minicamp. Glad to hear it. More notes, too. (49ers.com)
Clements, Spencer and Lawson simply felt that they needed to work out on their own. I'm alright with that. (PressDemocrat.com)
It seems Singletary will not be present for Saturday's minicamp, who knows? I'm also amazed at the lack of knowledge of the situation concerning Singletary's daughter and Atogwe. (NationalFootballPost.com)
Beat Writer Twitter Roundup (My comments in italics and parenthesis where applicable)
Lam: @ninnyjams Zeigler Zeigler Zeigler Zeigler Zeigler Zeigler Zeigler Zeigler Zeigler Zeigler Zeigler Zeigler Zeigler Zeigler Zeigler Zeigler (Bribery accepted)
Maiocco: RT @RavensInsider Ravens offered a one-year deal Wednesday to cornerback Walt Harris, but he declined it, per a league source. (I notice Maiocco really doesn't Tweet at people lately.)
Barber: RT @ElvinPritchard: @Skinny_Post Did Bowman look good working with the 1st team? >> Only in for a couple plays, but one was really nice
Barber: RT @ElvinPritchard: @Skinny_Post Were there any 1st team reps for Davis & Iupati >> Yes, more for Iupati
Barber: RT @MustangStud49: Do we credit this to a great 49er defense, or a typical Alex Smith >> First: superb play by T Brown; 2nd: bad overthrow (Typical Alex Smith? Eh..)
Barber: RT @Tre9er: Davis beat Goldson twice in 1st tm period, once on post <-who does this speak to more? >> I'd say Davis; coverage good on first
Barber: RT @Tre9er: RT @Skinny_Post: Bad day for Vann: two more punts eat him up<-@ninnyjams how much rope u think he gets? >> Plenty -- for now (Like I said, he'll get more than enough)
Barber: RT @terran0860: is the reason the 49ers arent trying to sign Manny long term because of breakout season for Brooks? >> Certainly part of it
Barber: RT @mateusgpereira: @Skinny_Post the no talk about Iupati its a sign that he is doing great on the field? >> That's a fair assessment.
Lam: No signs of slowing down, so I say yes RT @USMC_NinerFan Does Willis look like he is completely healed from his offseason surgery?
Lam: Yes he did. Interchanged between 1st/2nd tm RT @USMC_NinerFan I've been hearing good things about jason hill lately. Did he stand out today?
Lam: Correct. No mistakes on his part today. RT @USMC_NinerFan I didn't see any mention of Gore, I assume this is a good thing? (Gore? There's a player named Gore on the 49ers? With all this Dixon v Coffee debate I figured they were battling for the starting position. Who's this 'Gore' fella?)
Lam: Zeigler was a big focus on offense today, so he stood out to me. RT @Tre9er bubble players who have looked good lately? (Aww yeeeah)
Lam: Those that played in their spot while they were gone dropped to 2nd tm. RT @Tre9er how did depth at CB and OLB change today with big 3 back?
Lam: Nothing really stood out, meaning they did their assignments. RT @Tre9er obv we wanna know how nate, tae, manny looked. Notables?
Rival Blog Buzz At Revenge of the Birds, they continue to predict their 2010 record and they had their Flock of Links. At Field Gulls, they continue their 'The Road Back' segment. At Turf Show Times, yet another post about O.J. Atogwe, and a post about a player in the supplemental draft.
Yesterday On Niners Nation We started with the Golden Nuggets, we had a post from Fooch about Mel Kiper, I had a post about Ahmad Brooks and whether or not he can start and then we had another NCAA post from Drew K.
Today On Niners Nation (All times pacific and subject to change)
7:00 AM - Howie has the first round of the Super Bowl tourney he organized.
11:00 AM - Andrew Davidson has his most recent fantasy football post at this point.
2:00 PM - I imagine I'll be on this post, though I'm unsure what it will be! Perhaps an "At Least We're Not...", we'll see!
49ers Tweet Of The Day "boy do i hate the lakers" from Kyle Williams. Indeed.
Yesterday's Best Comment "If Manny doesn't resolve this... then thanks to Singletary’s obsession with linebackers, we still have approximately 1,600 of them in camp. The other day somebody shook a tree at Santa Clara and out fell three lost footballs, two squirrels, 18 linebackers and Kory Sheets." from LondonNiner. I'm finding a good balance of comedy v truth for these. Great stuff here though.
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can't believe NFP thought that was worthy of a post....
SMH
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"I noticed Maiocco doesn't tweet at people much"
my point exactly. That’s what I love about Sam Lam
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That was a good YBC
except I doubt Sheets is hanging around SC pining for the 49ers. I think he knew he wasn’t OUR FUTURE.
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Thanks mate
What’s the score, Ninjo?
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by LondonNiner on Jun 18, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
you're ahead by a touchdown
I’d bet
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I reckon I'll only need ..
… a field goal around about July.
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by LondonNiner on Jun 18, 2010 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm considering going Haynesworth
and holding out on my commenting because my comments aren’t being used the way I want them to be.
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Reasonable bet that one ..
… for tomorrow’s YBC :)
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I knew I shoulda put a bonus in the language somewhere
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Glad to hear Zeigler was a "focus"
if he’s finally put it all together, I keep saying this, the guy is 6’3" tall! Every other guy we have is barely 6’1"! I know size isn’t everything (though I have nothing to worry about, OH!) but who wouldn’t want a tall receiver with great hands?!?
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That's what she said....
"Came to see an offense and the wrong one showed up" - Randy Cross referring to the 49ers' offensive dominance over the Dolphins in Super Bowl XIX
by TexanByChoice49erFanByBirth on Jun 18, 2010 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions
I might be the only guy in the world who
hates that expression. And I’m not sure why.
What are the chances Ziegler puts Jones on the bubble and eventually makes it as the 5th WR (presuming 1-4 would be Crabs, Morgan, Ginn and Hill). It’s only OTA’s and minicamp is just starting, but I have barely heard Jones’ name being mentioned except maybe for PR practice. I would think he needs to make some decent noise in preseason to guarantee a spot on the roster. Frankly it wouldn’t hurt my feelings much if he didn’t.
58 days to go. . .
Jones is done
I’d be really, really, really, really, really (get the idea?) shocked if he makes the roster.
I’m starting to worry about Williams making it now. The 4 you listed are pretty much locks. Then for 5th it would be between Zeigler and Williams (and, I guess Jones but…). Williams needs to show some stuff in the return game and have a big pre-season. Zeigler could be a great weapon in the passing game.
Both could make it but they would really have to impress a ton not only on offense but special teams.
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Williams has a good shot
He is the only true slot type reciever on the team. Jones has been a waste of money and they can save a lot of it if they cut him. They will drag it out till the end because of a possible injury. Insurance is nice to have.
by ericalancanty on Jun 18, 2010 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Crabs, Morgan, Hill, Ginn, and Williams, good-bye Jones and Ziegler
Package and trade them, or something
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that's what I think will happen
unless Ziggy blows everyone away in pre-season AND on special teams
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Agree
from the way they’ve been looking at him in OTAs it seems they’re pretty interested in Williams to play that slot role… hate to see Ziegler go, but I’d bet they go with Williams over him if it comes to that.
he was a "focus" yesterday
we’ll see. Wouldn’t it just be wacky and backwards if they roster 6 WR’s this year?!?!
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He's like 175 lbs though.
And he’s not really fast.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Jun 18, 2010 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions
did any of the beat writers go into detail about how Manny looked?
seems there were rumblings that he put on weight (good weight) but I’d want to hear that from one of the Matts since they’ve been covering him for a long time.
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Nope.
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by James Brady on Jun 18, 2010 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I like seeing that Crabs will be used in the slot, but, I wish we had another WR that demanded a double team to make it worth while.
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well
Ginn will at least command the safety shading his side due to his speed. Hill is pretty quick too and if VD is on the field you’ve got issues with that speed/size as a defense.
The thing that worries me is that if Crabs is in the slot in 3WR sets, where does Williams fit in? He’s a prototypical slot receiver by all accounts…
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yeah
I just think Williams is a playmaker. I hope he get’s a look in each game, one pass throws his way at least.
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I firmly believe he will.
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by James Brady on Jun 18, 2010 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe 4 wr SET, as the other slot.
I think having your best route runner and cather, in combination, works best in the slot, what troubles me is another good route runner, I don’t think we have one.
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good question
I’ll have to pose that question to ye beat writers to watch.
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Best route runners we have
Are Crabtree and Zeigler, then Hill, then Morgan, then Williams and Ginn.
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by James Brady on Jun 18, 2010 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
That blows we have some issues at WR, who to keep and who to let go, but I think Jones leaving is the obvious choice.
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good problem to have
only issue is can’t PS some of the guys we’ll cut
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I'm not too worried...
Desean Jackson is a small speedy receiver too and he plays on the outside, so why wouldn’t Williams be capable of that other than questionable route running? That can always be learned too.
by 9thevolution on Jun 18, 2010 7:30 AM PDT up reply actions
I think he can do it
but I also think he’s a great slot receiver. I guess he could play outside like Crabs does and move inside some too…that would keep the two of them moving around and defenses guessing.
OOH! I just had an idea! Trips formations! Ginn outside, Crabs and Williams in the “slots” that could be dangerous!
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Why not get really creative and use VD opposite the chaos caused
by one of those Quads variations. Whether its a bunch formation or I think I’ve seen it with the receivers behind one another in a box shape.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jun 18, 2010 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions
I was thinking trips with a 2 man bunch
Ginn on the outside and Crabtree and Williams bunched in the slot. You could then run VD on either side (overload or iso)
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Crabtree and Williams behind Ginn and Morgan
VD steps backwards off the line and goes in motion to the far sideline then hike the ball while he’s still in motion and send him on either a deep post towards the sideline or a Stop and Go route.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jun 18, 2010 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions
change that Crabtree and Ginn (So the D couldn't get a jam on Ginn and he hits the LoS with speed)
behind Morgan and Williams
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jun 18, 2010 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Actually now that I think of it
I think it was Texas Tech that ran bubble screens out of that box Quads formation lol. Crabs already is familiar with it.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jun 18, 2010 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions
he got some of those in 2009
in 3-wides. He’d just cut back towards Alex and get behind the slot WR.
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Its really crazy out of that quads formation
the D has to slump so heavily to 1 side to counter the 4 guys there that one side of the field is left completely to a LB with safety help if the D isn’t in a nickle. And no LB or safety can cover VD.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jun 18, 2010 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions
If you bunch Morgan, Williams and Ginn to one side with Davis at the TE, you will have a headache if you're on the opposition.
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Regardless of what you're going for in the passing game...
we’re better off with Crabtree out there.
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by James Brady on Jun 18, 2010 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
that's for sure
kid shouldn’t come off the field
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Crabtree would be split at the other end, I am thinking 4 wr te no RB as well as 3 wr te and rb.
I would never take crabs off the field
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Crabs will not be only in the slot on 3 WR sets.
They said they want to move him around, so that would indicate that he would play all 3 positions on 3 WR sets. Mix it up and create mix matches.
by ericalancanty on Jun 18, 2010 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions
good point
which hopefully means he and KW can get on the field at the same time, and with Ginn. That’s a lot of speed, quickness, and crisp route running.
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I think this will be the first time Smith can actually handle that.
He didn’t have a good enough grasp of the offense to actually pass through progressions. Now he does.
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by James Brady on Jun 18, 2010 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Thought i heard...
… that Rice and Young was gonna be around a bit has anyone heard anything from that …can’t think of anyone better for the teach’n of route running then RICE …!!
Kewl
They will be there if Sing asks them to be, but how would you feel as a WR coach if Rice was brought in to help with anything, same goes for Young and the QB coach.
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I think it's just giving player perspective.
telling them little tricks they used to do things, etc.
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Rice and Young have both expressed interest.
Like I pointed out before, Young said he would love to help Alex Smith, but that he knows he can’t help him as much as he’d like because the 49ers don’t run a WCO anymore. He said he’s already talked to him some and that he’d talk to him some more if asked. Rice said he talked with Crabtree and Morgan a couple times, and would love to mentor them a little bit. He doesn’t want to be a coach, but he’ll come and talk to them some more, it’s just all up to Singletary to ask him.
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by James Brady on Jun 18, 2010 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
man, he has to do it
why not? He knows the history, these are HOF guys of the 49ers pedigree offering to come in and consult. Someone give me some reasons why he wouldn’t let this happen?
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Havent called ...
… Uncle Sing yet ,think’n he wont hear a word i say , until i get McDonald into my recovery program …!! Ha…!!
Kewl
With upcoming time off...
.. between the end of mini camp and the start of training camp .. think’n that might be a good time for them to get together …!!
Kewl
The usualy "it's early" cliche, but
Curtis Taylor might be making a case to make the roster?? And unfortunately the reality of the pros might be hitting LeRoy Vann at this point. Hopefully that changes by the start of preseason.
58 days to go. . .
Taylor has been up and down
but compared to last year he’s doing much better I am hearing.
This is actually causing us to worry about Reggie Smith a tad.
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Being a returnman and special teams gunner will be enough to keep Vann on the team.
Hopefully Byham can play Full back, TE and some OL and leave someopenings.
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If he can't catch it he'll have a tough time making it
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Yeah Vann is very far from a roster spot.
He’ll get every opportunity to make it, but he’s far right now.
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SORRY to change the subject, BUT,
I would like to know what happen to Lott & Young. Wasn’t they supposed to come to camp & give pointers to the youngsters. Tre9er, Ninjams, Smileman, somebody find out & post.
Please.
Thank you.
"Moving Forward."
Nice to see Smith had a great 11 on 11 drills.
I know he had 2 INTs in the 2 min drill, but 11 on 11 is 95% of the game. 2 min drills are of course at the end of the half or game. Smith has had some really good 2 min drills this off season too, so I’m not worried about it. Hitting recievers in stride and completing all but 2 passes is looking good for us. Break out season for Mr. Smith and company.
A. Davis looked better than Iupati too. I believe that they both will be up and down this season, but think that people are just biased against Davis thinking that Iupati will be more sucsessful than Davis in their first year, based on nothing. I think that they will both have a good first year.
And since its still just OTA's
Alex is just running the play called. No sense being a practice hero and audibleizing against guys just trying to get reps in.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jun 18, 2010 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions
I would be quite worried if Smith could whoop our 1st team defense. We want to be able to shut out the likes of Brees and Manning.
tough call
cause we want our offense to move the ball against great defenses too, ya know?
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That's why Smith is lucky he gets to learn against one of the best D's in the league
I’m just happy to hear he’s hitting receivers in stride. If he can hit Ginn in stride downfield, I give him props.
If he can hit Ginn in stride downfield
And the ball isn’t dropped I’ll give him a touchdown.
Gimme 1 round!
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My bribery worked!!!!
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I agree
that Iupati and Davis will have good rookie seasons as long as we stay balanced in our attack. Iupati will show signs of being a beast in the run game as he continues to get his technique down especially in pass blocking. Davis is one of those big old school tackles with a big base that will be a good run blocker also but he also needs to work on his technique but I think eventually he will be a big time pass protector. As far as our WRs I do wish we had a receiver that drew double coverage right off the bat. Crabs will eventually become that receiver but i wish we had a big receiver to go along with what we already have. I’m excited about Williams and what he brings to the table. If we can move our receivers around to keep to give the defense different looks we will be good.
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Iupati will look better early on
because he’s a little more polished and has guys on either side to protect him a little. Davis might take a year but will be solid once the light goes on.
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and for those about to cry about the 11th pick needing a year
deal with it, draft is over. let’s focus on the future, k?
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I don't mind a year
So long as he’s clear cut over Snyder by the end of that year, (that still puts him below avg for the league).
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jun 18, 2010 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
I think a lof of things about Davis are already better than Snyd
but it’s the “oh crap!” moments that scare me. The rusher who blows by him during a bad game and get’s some shots on Alex. The rookie mistakes. Then again Snyder had a lot of those moments last year too.
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tweet for James from Maiocco
When 49ers WRs coach Jerry Sullivan has problems with way route is run, he often tells player to just watch how Dominique Zeigler does it.
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it's looking good for him right now
he hangs out with Josh Morgan a lot, widely loved by players and coaches as we all know. He’s been working on KR’s too this week too. I really hope he can make it.
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I remember someone on here told me last year...
…that me liking Zeigler was stupid because he had nothing to offer the team. It’s really stupid that people would assume because he’s on the PS that he doesn’t have the skills required. I like him for a reason, after all. Everyone on the team loves him, too.
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Didn't Jared Allen spend a year on the practice squad?
Maybe Miles Austin too. The difference between guys that make it and those that don’t is just how hard they are willing to work on that whole practice part.
Gimme 1 round!
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That makes me so happy. My girl: Hun, let’s go out to [my favorite restaurant here]. Me: I LOVE YOU BABE BUT MAIOCCO IS TWEETING ABOUT ZEIGLER GO WITHOUT ME
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Just curious
Seeing the Supplemental Draft coming up has the niners ever drafted anyone from the Supplemental Draft?
Oh and that kid that the Rams Forum highlighted in the Supplemental draft Unga i cant remember when, but i think it was Drew K did a piece on FB for nxt years draft and I mentioned Unga and posted his stats on it. The Niners can get really creative with there Offense if we had a Multi dimensional FB that can Catch, Block, and Run the ball like Unga.
Heres a vid of him playing against than #2 Defense in TCU last year. Notice how he is always flling forward when he gets hit. It takes like 2-3 guys to bring him down
The scouting reports that I've read have him as a FB in the NFL.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Jun 18, 2010 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions
He might make the transition
but the skills don’t always translate.
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Projected as a 4th or 5th rounder in the regular draft.
I’d be willing to give up a 5th IF we believe that:
1. He has the potential to be at least as good as Miller.
2. He has the potential to replace Norris.
3. He wouldn’t be grabbed from our PS by another team (i.e., wasting a pick).
by 49erFanSince1950 on Jun 18, 2010 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions
i agree
but if the niners know that no one is going to get him in the supplemental draft sign him UDFA.
I have seen this kid play every game and he would be a problem for DC to plan against with the weapons we have on Offense.
They were willing to give Blount a chance by signing him but he backed out. This kid is gonna be good, it would suck if the Rams got him tho cause he was the only RB/FB that i liked in college ball
Also for James (and me, ok)
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Off topic, but
Did anyone see on NFL Network Tuesday afternoon the film of The Niners/Giants 2002 playoff game? I was near the end of my run at the gym watching it getting pretty burned out, wondering at one point if I was going to make it all the way through (hey, a 10K run on a treadmill ain’t bad IMO). Then I see the locker room scene after the game and the shot of Bill Walsh. Dammed if that thing didn’t fire me up. I was almost sprinting by the end of the run!
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