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The general mantra of offseason workouts is that you really can't make any concrete conclusions about the players. After all, we're talking about players operating in shorts, jerseys, and helmets. Players can work on their technique, which is certainly a plus. However, when there is no hitting and no performing with full pads, it's really hard to tell where your players are in the physical aspects of their respective positions.

The 49ers wrapped up their final offseason practices this past Friday and begin to look ahead to training camp at the end of July. While we can't make a lot of judgment calls, there is one position, and one player in particular on whom we can project some strong educated guesses. That player would be quarterback Jarrett Brown. The undrafted free agent out of West Virginia was considered a highly talented player that was considered by some to be a sleeper in the draft. Upon learning of the team's signing of Brown, many folks here were fairly excited.

Star-divide

Unfortunately for Brown, he was extremely limited in practices this past week, as he received zero work in 7-on-7 and 11-on-11 drills. Obviously it's only a short stretch of practice, but at the same time, on Thursday the team held David Carr out of the 11-on-11 drills (coaches' decision) and Nate Davis received all Carr's snaps. While it's an incredibly small sample size, it's certainly not a good sign for Brown at this point in time.

With David Carr more or less locked in as the backup QB, Brown's only chance of making the roster is to beat out Nate Davis. I'd imagine part of the reason Brown isn't getting time in the drills is that he's still learning the playbook. As we've repeatedly said, Nate Davis has a year's head start on him so that's not a shocker.

Davis struggled getting to learn the playbook early on, but managed to learn enough to impress folks in 2009 preseason action. Even though Davis was facing second, third and fourth string defenses, given that he was a rookie, Davis was rather impressive. The question is whether there will be enough snaps this preseason for Brown to potentially impress like that.

Last year, Davis was competing for snaps with Alex Smith, Shaun Hill, and Damon Huard. Although Huard was 36 in training camp, the team could have conceivably kept Huard and put Davis on the practice squad. Instead, Davis sufficiently outplayed Huard, and with his higher upside, it made sense for the team to stick with him over Huard. Brown faces a uniquely different challenge in 2010. Brown isn't battling a washed-up veteran like Huard. He's battling a still raw, but talented second year Davis.

Does anybody have any thoughts on how the team will split up snaps come training camp and the preseason? Smith will probably get one series in game one, maybe a quarter in game two, a half (and maybe a bit of the 3rd quarter) in game three, and close it out with a series or two in game four. If the team wants all four quarterbacks to get snaps, conceivably in game one we could see Carr finish out the first half, Davis play the third quarter and Brown get the fourth quarter.

Or do we see Jarrett Brown get next to no snaps? I'd like to think the team would want to see what Brown has to show, but it's a tough call. The team will want to see if Davis was a flash in the pan last preseason, so he'll certainly get some extended snaps. In fact, it's entirely possible he gets even more first half snaps so he can show what he's got against some improved competition. My prediction is primarily fourth quarter time for Brown. We'll see if that's enough to get him on the practice squad.

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If they like him in practice, they may keep him out of the majority of the preseason. If he and Davis were both to perform well, one would most certainly be let go and probably be picked up by another team. If they don’t play Brown much in the preseason, they may try to put him on the practice squad.

Although, I’m not 100% sure how the practice squad works…. Is it like baseball when a guy is out of options and gets optioned back to the minors, another team can claim him off waivers? Or can the Niners just put him on the practice squad regardless?

by aBulldog on Jun 21, 2010 7:48 AM PDT reply actions  

practice squad

When a player is on the practice squad, any other team in the league is allowed to sign him. However, they’d have to sign him to their 53-man roster for a minimum of 3 or 4 weeks. They couldn’t sign him and stash him on their own practice squad.

Also, a player has 2-3 years (depending on time spent on the PS in a given year) of PS eligibility. In order to put him on the PS at the end of training camp, the team releases him, and if he clears waivers, he’ll be signed to the practice squad.

by David Fucillo on Jun 21, 2010 7:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think some team out there will want him as their #3

by Amigo on Jun 21, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thats what we don't know

A lot of NFL teams have that one guy that the fans love.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on Jun 21, 2010 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

As an aside

I think this is why we waived Brandon Long instead of releasing him. I think that Sing would like him on the PS

Logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority

by smileyman on Jun 21, 2010 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Care to explain smiley?

Love to understand that a bit more deeply. I kinda get it but want to understand better.

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jun 21, 2010 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you release a guy

he’s free to sign anywhere with any team.

If you waive him and he clears the wire you can add him to your PS.

By waiving Brandon Long I think it’s a sign that we’d like to add him to our PS, otherwise why not just release him?

Logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority

by smileyman on Jun 21, 2010 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's a great athlete

and plays well on the run.
But his throwing motion is terrible. He consistently throws wobblers at 10 to 15 yards. Its had to imagine him developing into a pocket passer.
His future in the NFL may be as a gimmick player, or an emergency 3rd QB.

I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT

by goatfather on Jun 21, 2010 8:08 AM PDT reply actions  

My guess is they’ll keep him around for training camp then cut him. If he shows something, AND a QB is injured, then they’ll keep him.

by FanBelge on Jun 21, 2010 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

yeah

When your throwing passes to RB’s while the other 3 QB’s are working elsewhere its a sign that your a strong #4

I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT

by goatfather on Jun 21, 2010 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

+1

If the team keeps Davis there is no way they keep Brown. The PS is just too small for Brown to be taking up a slot when they can just have Davis running as the PS QB.

by HaloFanInDC on Jun 21, 2010 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yup

It’ll be either Davis or Brown and Davis has the benefit of an extra year with the 49ers

Logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority

by smileyman on Jun 21, 2010 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's not the motion, per se

Maybe it could be his feet positioning.

I noticed that he wasn’t stepping into this throws at the Senior Bowl and so his balls were off target.
That can easily be fixed if he’s willing to work hard enough.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on Jun 21, 2010 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well I do think Brown has some potential

but I don’t know if he’ll ever be a starter.

Logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority

by smileyman on Jun 21, 2010 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think Nate Davis

Could ever even learn a playbook well enough to be a backup

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jun 21, 2010 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Keep in mind

That he was only a one year starter at WV.

He still has the time to develop.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on Jun 21, 2010 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah

he could develop into a slightly bettwe Byron Leftwich

I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT

by goatfather on Jun 22, 2010 7:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Don't quite get UDFA's

So stop me if I have this wrong, but every year there’s a kid who all 32 teams pass up the chance to sign roughly seven times each, and then we snap him up to see what he can do, since we have nothing to lose, and funnily enough, the kid isn’t really all that good, which is why 32 professional teams who exhaustively scouted every draft prospect in the country decided to not bother selecting him. Why did we bother thinking they might be good? How many UDFA’s actually turn out to be very good players, especially at quarterback?

Seems to me that you go down as far as maybe the fifth round – Tom Brady? – and thereafter there are not many golden nuggets (sorry, James) to be found. And yet we always do this to ourselves (see Sheets, Kory). Why? If a car showroom had a motor they just couldn’t shift, and after nobody bought it, they told you that you could just have it, you would not expect it to be a reliable vehicle, would you?

LondonNiner - member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010.

by LondonNiner on Jun 21, 2010 8:38 AM PDT reply actions  

Nearly every year there's somebody everybody whiffs on 7 times in a row, who...

within a very few years if not immediately, becomes a very good player. There are also a few serviceable backups and special-teamers to be had. They also play for a relative pittance, so it doesn’t hurt to leave no stone unturned in trying to build your team. That’s why they pick up UDFAs. Fans do get more excited about some of them than is warranted, though.

by asleepinSF on Jun 21, 2010 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Tony Romo and company

Romo went undrafted and is now a stud starter for the Boys. He is not the best in the leauge but as you know he is pretty good. That is why teams get UDFA. Teams also need to fill up there rosters for preseason play.

by ericalancanty on Jun 21, 2010 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Kurt Warner and Warren Moon too.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on Jun 21, 2010 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

here is a link of some undrafted players

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?confirm=true&id=09000d5d816fb4f0&template=with-video-with-comments

When it comes to QBs, they list Jeff Garcia, Warren Moon, Kurt Warner, and Tony Romo just to name a few. I’m just going to say that the draft is not perfect and teams make a lot of mistakes. Even after all the scouting teams do, there are still busts and still undrafted treasures.

by ZeroOneInfinity on Jun 21, 2010 9:41 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Thanks for responses ...

… I can only reply to one but appreciate all three replies.

There are certainly some great names on that list. I guess I knew that those names were out there – esp Garcia as he starred for the Niners – but it feels like us fans get a bit disproportionately excited, as asleepinSF said. Compared to the sheer numbers who have gone undrafted in every draft down the years, the chances of finding a Romo or Moon as a UDFA must be similar to winning the lottery. Then again, I guess some people get excited about lotteries, which is statistically dumb.

LondonNiner - member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010.

by LondonNiner on Jun 21, 2010 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

And by dumb ...

… I didn’t mean anyone here who loves Jarrett Brown! I meant people that buy lottery tickets. Unless anyone here buys lottery tickets! I don’t want to argue, is my main point. I was really just asking a question, and enjoying the conversation. I don’t want the Jarrett-loving, lottery-ticket-buying, people to come after me … :0

LondonNiner - member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010.

by LondonNiner on Jun 21, 2010 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

great, thanks

I just bought a stack of lottery tickets, and planned to scratch them off with my lucky limited edition Jarrett Brown West Virginia quarter…and now all i want to do is cry myself to sleep. good job.

by t p on Jun 21, 2010 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ha ha, nice ...

If Ninjames gives you YBC for that I want half for t(p)ing you up.

LondonNiner - member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010.

by LondonNiner on Jun 21, 2010 10:52 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Jesse Sapolu was drafted in round 11

Back when the draft used to be 12 rounds. He’s one of the greatest 49ers of all time and he would have gone undrafted in todays draft. If the player pans out, great. If not, just cut him. Your lottery analogy is a good one.

Don't trust this guy. He lies.

by urnext on Jun 21, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

This

I’m one of them.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on Jun 21, 2010 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know someone who won the lottery

here in Ca. Actually they ended up making a mistake having 2 tickets with the exact same #s on them so there when there ended up being 3 winning tickets for that lottery, they got 66% of the proceeds cause of the error. They won the lottery twice technically :P

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jun 21, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Had a third...

.. cousin that won the Cali.. lotto . and they sent out letter’s to all the relative’s stating so …and then ask’d us all not too contact them .. they put the D in Distant cousin’s …!!

Kewl

by Edggy on Jun 21, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well someone has to win it right?

Might as well hold a ticket.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on Jun 21, 2010 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

It never hurts to have extra bodies in camp to compete

sometimes players go undrafted because they’re from small schools. NFL teams only have so many people that they can look at.

Sometimes you pick up an UDFA because you’re looking for a solid backup, or even a 3rd stringer. Sometimes you pick up an UDFA because you have a well-stocked draft. I think many of this year’s UDFAs would’ve been 5th-7th rounders in years past.

Logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority

by smileyman on Jun 21, 2010 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

You can tack Nate Newton onto that list. UDFA out of Florida A&M

I think there is a close to 40% chance that Nate makes the HoF and a much better chance he goes through the selection process numerous times.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jun 21, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Didn't see him way down there on the list

Should be higher. Every title of the 90s the Cowboys won came down to Larry Allen and Nate Newton pancaking defenders and Emmitt being 4 yards down field before contact.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jun 21, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yup

those two were incredible.

Logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority

by smileyman on Jun 21, 2010 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm offended.

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by James Brady on Jun 21, 2010 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

He'll be on another teams 53 man roster

Because for some reason we’re committed to having a guy that still can’t even VAGUELY grasp the playbook be our 3rd QB. Davis had to scrap numerous plays at the line the other day cause he didn’t know them.

We should be saying goodbye to N.Davis and have Jarrett Brown as our 3rd stringer but it seems we’re intent on rostering someone who has shown zero improvement in the offense in a full year. Jarrett has talent and isn’t stupid. Some team will wisely snatch him if he isn’t on our 53 man roster.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jun 21, 2010 11:51 AM PDT reply actions  

there you go again

Another unnecessary “stupid” comment.

Are we THERE yet?

by riderless on Jun 21, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't you think your comment was a bit unnecessary?

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on Jun 21, 2010 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

stupid

I’m not looking to excuse Davis’ struggles in learning the playbook, but does that really make him “stupid,” particularly given his learning disability?

by David Fucillo on Jun 21, 2010 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Terry Bradshaw was always called stupid

He shut everyone up with his championships. Singletary seems to see something in Nate that others don’t. It’s only been a year for him, and it’s not like he has a huge contract. I think they’re willing to invest the time in him to develop. I wonder how much of a playbook he had at Ball State.

by Amigo on Jun 21, 2010 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

How Ball State dealt with Davis
At Ball State in Muncie, Ind., where Davis threw three touchdown passes in his first college game as a true freshman in 2006, coaches devised a system to help their learning-disabled young quarterback understand and memorize a complicated playbook.

His beloved head coach there, Brady Hoke — who is now at San Diego State — worked with former offensive coordinator Stan Parrish (now the Cardinals head coach) to impart the scheme and specific plays to Davis through extensive film study and by diagramming plays through pictures on a board.

It worked and it clicked. As a sophomore, Davis established school records with 3,667 passing yards and 30 touchdown passes. He followed that up in his junior season by throwing for 3,591 yards as Ball State compiled a 12-0 start — an effort that earned Davis Mid-American Conference Offensive Player of the Year recognition for the second consecutive year. As a student, Davis already was comfortable enough working with tutors and digesting lectures and lessons through audio that he thrived in the classroom as a communications studies major as well.

http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/09/03/49ers-qb-nate-davis-embraces-his-learning-disability-earns-nfl/

by Amigo on Jun 21, 2010 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

It has nothing to do with the playbook making him stupid.
“I had eight classes when I was in the sixth grade and I came home with seven F’s one semester,” Davis said. “I did pass gym, though.”

Dumb as a friggin rock learning disability or no

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jun 22, 2010 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Also --

AGAIN 11 on the Wonderlic. This dude is not Vince Young freak of nature athlete that can just bust out playground football. He can’t even learn the damn playbook. You can say i’m outside the rules of conduct but its true. Dude has had over a year to learn the PB and he HAS NOT. The coaches were stepping in because he was executing the wrong plays in practice.

I have nothing, NOTHING against people with LDs. Intelligent people push themselves to overcome them. Jay Leno is dyslexic. Einstien, Tesla and Newton may have even had Asperger’s syndrome.

I know Nicola Tesla. Nate Davis is no Nicola Tesla.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jun 22, 2010 12:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dude

Sixth grade. That’s all I have to say.

He was smart enough to make it into school and smart enough to stay there and it’s not like he played a power-house college that wouldv’e had incentive to fudge his grades for him.

Logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority

by smileyman on Jun 22, 2010 12:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

every college has incentive to fudge for star football players

College football pays for every other sports program at the school.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jun 22, 2010 2:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think he'll be on the PS

and not being able to grasp the playbook doesn’t make him stupid. I’ve seen NFL playbooks—they’re incredibly complicated.

Nor does having a learning disability make one stupid.

There’s been nothing from the coaches indicating “zero improvement”. They’ve made comments that he’s not progressed as much as they’d like or had hoped, but that’s not an unusual thing at all.

Logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority

by smileyman on Jun 21, 2010 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

You need to read the article from the other day

When the coaches stepped in because he was executing the wrong plays in practice…

Having an LD doesn’t make you stupid. Autistics have a much higher rate of savant syndrome than others. I challenge anybody to call a savant dumb and truly believe that. LDs can give birth to non-functional geniuses.

Nate Davis is not a non-functional genius. He’s a guy that couldn’t get through the elementary school reading and math on the Wonderlic and scored an 11.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jun 22, 2010 12:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

BTW

I didn’t say Nate Davis was stupid – I said Jarrett Brown wasn’t. You must all obviously believe Davis is since you’re the ones drawing that conclusion from an open ended statement. Don’t blame me that you all obviously extrapolated that point from a counter-point.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jun 22, 2010 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

When you’re comparing the strengths and weaknesses of two people and you say one of them isn’t stupid you’re pretty clearly implying that the other one is.

Logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority

by smileyman on Jun 22, 2010 12:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would have used the word dumb for Nate Davis

Stupid is harsh. But I will freely say Jarrett Brown isn’t stupid.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jun 22, 2010 2:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

For an example

Having taken the wonderlic I can tell you the questions on the ESPN Page 2 version seen here

http://espn.go.com/page2/s/closer/020228test.html

Are, starting with question 8, the questions you start seeing around 15-20 on the real test. The questions get gradually more difficult but the first 10-12 are pre jr. high easy. Much like 1-6.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jun 22, 2010 2:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

I know the wonderlic isn't hard

I’ve taken it myself—but there have been good QBs who’ve stunk at it and horrible QBs who’ve aced it.

The test means nothing when it comes to ability to learn a playbook or run an offense.

Logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority

by smileyman on Jun 22, 2010 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Between 15 and 25 I don't think it means much

Above that I think it says you have a QB that can use strategy to win games as much as his natural physical gifts. But when you start scoring at elementary school levels I think it says something very important. Marcus Vick scored an 11 and Jeff George for all his ability to throw the ball scored a 10. I have a feeling neither will ever be successes in the NFL.

Here is a link to dozens of wonderlic scores.
http://www.unc.edu/~mirabile/Wonderlic.htm
Look at the true bottom feeding scores. There is no one successful that’s scored below a 14. (Neil O’Donnell is arguable with his 13 but I think his decisions in the SB can be evidence that being an intelligent QB doesn’t hurt)

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jun 22, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

For the record

Vince Young, Marino and Bradshaw all scored 15 as did Jarrett Brown. Donovan “Bad Decision” McNabb scored a 14 and that’s where the success or complete failure line seems to be.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jun 22, 2010 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

it sems clear to me...

That Davis and Brown are the two QB’s with the most raw talent on the roster. But it is also even more clear that the best for the team to get wins NOW is for Smith to start now and the vet Carr to backup (in case Smith continues to suck he can take over and keep things moving and if Smith gets injured he also would be the best option now).
The great thing is that we now have depth at QB and also a couple of talented prospects for the long term.
To start the season Smith will start,Carr will backup and Davis will be the 3rd QB,with Brown on the PS.
Next year is totally up in the air,it all depends on if smith continues to suck or if he does very well ,finally.
Whatever the future brings,one of these guys hopefully will be a star QB for the long term. (my money is on Davis,but who knows).

by TIM___ on Jun 21, 2010 3:08 PM PDT reply actions  

The only stupid one is you,if you don’t understand that mild dyslexia is not being stupid,and doesn’t stop Davis from learning football,never has (according to his college coach).
But then some folks are just bigots against those with mild handicaps .You probably still use the term "retarded " etc.
Ignorant is the word I use for people that simply don’t understand ,like you .

by TIM___ on Jun 21, 2010 3:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Voice your opinions, let him know how you feel...

…but let’s refrain from insulting each other straight up here, OK?

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by James Brady on Jun 21, 2010 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Funny how I never called him stupid

I just said Jarrett Brown wasn’t. Nate Davis being dumb is the first thing that sprang into your mind though wasn’t it? You disgust me Tim

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jun 22, 2010 12:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

i'm stupid hungry

…and could annihilate a burrito right about now.

go niners

by t p on Jun 21, 2010 3:42 PM PDT reply actions  

Preseason

Brown and Davis need to get the same amount of work in. Best man wins the job.

"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.

by Drew Kerr on Jun 22, 2010 6:46 PM PDT reply actions  

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