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Projecting the 49ers punt and kick returners

As we've moved through the various roster projections for the 49ers this offseason, one issue has popped up. As Tre9er put it in his FanPost on the 53-man competition, we've got guys battling not only for their primary position, but also against players at other positions for simply an overall roster spot. You've got a guy like Alex Boone trying to establish himself as a viable backup on the offensive line, and then a guy like Brit Miller who is trying to prove he's worth holding onto as a fullback. And yet, Miller's chances of making the roster might depend in part on proving he's more valuable at what he can do as compared to what Boone can do. It gets fairly complicated considering all the pairings involved.

One position where we see this in spades is in the 49ers kick and punt returner options. The 49ers have several potential options at both positions, including Ted Ginn, Jr, LeRoy Vann, Dominique Zeigler, Kyle Williams, Delanie Walker (mostly a back-up option), and even maybe Brandon Jones, if just barely.

Aside from Walker and probably Ginn, that list of players includes a good chunk of bubble players. Kyle Williams isn't guaranteed anything, but hopefully he can make the roster for more than just his return abilities.

The point of that rambling is that if any of these guys can establish themselves as a viable threat in the return game, it will only help their chances of making the 53-man roster. This is particularly true or Vann and Zeigler. Maiocco put together an offensive and defensive player-by-player overview following minicamp and had this to say about Vann and Zeigler:

33-LeRoy Vann: His playing time at cornerback decreased with the arrivals of Clements and Shawntae Spencer. It's clear that Vann's ticket for the 53-man roster (or the practice squad, for that matter) is the return game. But Vann did not look good in trying to field punts from the first day of offseason work. He was the least-secure of any of the 49ers players working on punt returns. At one point, after a particularly rough stretch that featured muffed punt after muffed punt, one veteran blurted out loudly, "You're fired!" Vann plans to stick around Santa Clara until the start of training camp. He must get more confident in this area to give himself any chance at sticking around.

17-Dominique Zeigler: He was back returning kickoffs on the final day of minicamp. You get the feeling that if Sullivan had his way, Zeigler would be among the receivers he carries on the team. Zeigler is always drawing praise from Sullivan on how he runs routes. And when others aren't as precise, Sullivan will advise them to watch Zeigler. He had a pretty good offseason program. He and Jason Hill had roughly the same number of catches behind starters Crabtree and Josh Morgan.

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Vann really struggled during offseason practices, but he seems to recognize the issue (as seen on Twitter):

Done working now stayed late caught 200 punts n 100 kick offs still getting it n. You can never work to hard!!!!!

Hopefully he can get the yips worked out. He was a monster in the return game in college, and if he could bring that kind of talent to the 49ers, it would be a huge boon for the return game.

Zeigler is more meant for the kick return game, but I'd imagine he'll get some practice as a punt returner as well. As we'll see when we take look at wide receiver roster projections, Zeigler faces an up-hill battle at a fairly stacked wide receiver position. Any versatility for the youngster would put him in prime position to steal a roster spot.

The other interesting punt return candidate is Kyle Williams, who apparently has looked the best out of all the return options thus far.

10-Kyle Williams: He worked at split end, but his best spot is in the slot. It will be difficult for him to work his way into the action on offense as a rookie. His best bet might be as a punt returner, where he looked the most secure of any of the candidates in fielding punts.

Although training camp is a good stage to work on returning, the punt return position can really be hammered down during preseason games. After all, that's when you finally have gunners coming at you and the pressure is really on. It will be interesting to see which player is able to shine. Everybody has their personal preferences, but all I really want is one guy to step up.

Poll
Who will be the primary punt returner week 1 of the 2010 regular season?
Ted Ginn, Jr.
369 votes
LeRoy Vann
90 votes
Kyle Williams
217 votes
Brandon Jones
4 votes
Other
4 votes

684 votes | Poll has closed

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This is really tough

If Jason Hill wasn’t on the team it would be a lot easier. WR depth chart Crabs, Morgan, Hill, GInn, Williams. I like Ziegler, but his YAC are Yuck. WIth 2 receiving TE’s and potentially a 3rd on the roster, coupled with the possibility of 3 backs and 1 or 2 FB’s I think 5 is enough. With this lineup you also get your PR\KR from you backups WR’s. That seems Ideal. I only hope Williams plays well in the preseason.

Vann: I don’t think Sing is the type to take this risk. We have too much talent to use up a spot on the 53 for him.

I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT

by goatfather on Jun 23, 2010 7:15 AM PDT reply actions  

Agree - Sing has clearly stated "In the return game, possession is #1"

Apparently, Vann is showing a weakness in that area. Ginn and Williams can plug the hole at KR/PR. Roster spots are too valuable to have an iffy specialist.

by DeathValleyCarl on Jun 23, 2010 8:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Can't give up on Vann just yet, simply because Sing wants 3 returnmen on the roster.

Unless this is total BS, who woul the 3 be? Jones…No, he could’t get on the field last year after the injury he even played less than Hill, he needs the boot. Williams and Vann won’t last on the PS either. Vann can improve in catching the ball, he could easily have jitters.

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by rlott#42 on Jun 23, 2010 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

If his jitters continue in training camp, they can be expected to resurface in the regular season.

Going from small college to pro level is a stretch and he hasn’t done much to build his confidence. Ziegler has a better shot at #3.

by DeathValleyCarl on Jun 24, 2010 6:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's why I said I can't give up on him yet. He of course would have to perform better going forward.

Am I reading my own posts wrong?? Ziegler is the master of catch and remain in the same spot. I can’t say much about his return ability.

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by rlott#42 on Jun 24, 2010 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

When you're moonlighting as #3KR/PR, you gotta have a day job

and Ziegler’s better at his day job (and at least he can catch kicks). I think Vann only makes the roster as #1PR – what Ginn hasn’t done for awhile.

by DeathValleyCarl on Jun 25, 2010 7:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Zeigler's better at his day job? So that's why he lived on the PS?

I dunno but he hasn’t displayed much on game day, not enouh oppurtunities, I just still think it’s all up in the air, but not for long.

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by rlott#42 on Jun 25, 2010 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ginn, Jr

We traded for him to return kicks.

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by 49er16 on Jun 23, 2010 8:17 AM PDT reply actions  

This.

Not only did we trade for him, he’s ranked the #17 returner in the NFL. I’d place a big bet that he’s the heavy favorite, if not a dead-on lock for the KR role.

by StereoPete on Jun 23, 2010 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

He hasn't returned punts in a long time.

He should be our kickoff returner, I’m not so sure about punts though. It will be between him and Williams.

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by James Brady on Jun 23, 2010 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

this

he’s a kick returner. He has fair hands at best and has been dropping punts with the best of them thus far. Besides if we’re going to get upset at him for dropping passes let’s not add dropping punts or fair catches inside the 10 to the yelling we do in his general direction.

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by Tre9er on Jun 23, 2010 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Have Ginn return kicks and K. Williams return punts. Problem solved.

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by Hoopers Judge on Jun 23, 2010 8:50 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

that's what I think will happen

with Ziegler making the roster over Hill and also being 2nd KR

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by Tre9er on Jun 24, 2010 6:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Williams

he’s looked the best so far, has a great attitude, is learning the playbook, and is a weapon on offense. He will make the roster in part because he can return punts.

Unless Vann takes a few to the house in pre-season it’s going to be hard for him to win a spot.

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by Tre9er on Jun 23, 2010 9:49 AM PDT reply actions  

thus far Williams has looked the best of a poor crop (thus far)

and Sam Lam keeps using the word “smooth” to describe Williams in the punt return game.

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by Tre9er on Jun 24, 2010 7:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not geting ...

.. the dropped punt thing , if these guy’s have made it this far in their career in regard’s to the punt and kick return’s game … How the hell can you not catch a punt in practice when you don’t even have eleven other’s coming at you …It’s simple locate ball and get under it …!!

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by Edggy on Jun 23, 2010 9:59 AM PDT reply actions  

the problem is

we have nobody on the roster who’s done any significant punt returning in the past year or two at the NFL level. I get it, Williams and Vann caught punts in college so what’s the difference? I’m guessing the wind and the punts themselves are higher/longer than they’re used to perhaps.

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by Tre9er on Jun 23, 2010 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well it's juz ...

.. gonna get harder for them , once pad’s come on and then when it get’s live in T.C. … Sing’s gotta be discouraged by all this …!!

Kewl

by Edggy on Jun 23, 2010 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

he better have Baalke's eye on a few options

out there on other teams or FA. Heck, Brandon Jones, Barry Sims…trade em up for a proven returner.

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by Tre9er on Jun 23, 2010 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

how about Crayton?

he wants to be released, ok, Brandon Jones for Crayton? He was a top punt returner last year. Or a guy like Cosby, Amendola…they have to have their eyes on someone.

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by Tre9er on Jun 23, 2010 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

No on Crayton.

He wants to leave Dallas because of now limited playing time he’d get.

Also Dallas wouldn’t want Jones with his contract. He’d be at most a #4 WR behind Miles, Bryant, Williams.

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by Hoopers Judge on Jun 23, 2010 8:56 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

the only reason is that he's a very experienced PR

so if we have 3 guys who can’t catch a punt…it makes sense to think about looking elsewhere.

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by Tre9er on Jun 24, 2010 7:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Based on Ninjames' Salary Thread...

It would appear we’ve got cap room to go after a good PR/KR. Were we just getting Ginn as a “value” player rather than aiming at top-notch talent?

by StereoPete on Jun 23, 2010 11:40 AM PDT reply actions  

What is bad is...

…when I read that I kind of nodded my head and went “Ah yes, my salary post”, followed by a few seconds of recalling lines I never wrote and (I believe) aren’t even in Smileyman’s post… brainfart much?

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by James Brady on Jun 23, 2010 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL!

I’ve got the Jedi mind-trick thing going here….

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by StereoPete on Jun 25, 2010 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ginn's a top-notch kick returner

punt return is the question with him.

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by smileyman on Jun 23, 2010 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

haven't heard M.Rob or Delanie Walker's name mentioned yet for KR

although they did a serviceable job at it last year. Walker especially I thought I remembered him having a few long returns?

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by Tre9er on Jun 24, 2010 7:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

I hope they don't have to play on either.

 Ginn is fine for kickoff return, punt return is the issue.

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by rlott#42 on Jun 24, 2010 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Delanie had at least one bad fumble

and I’d rather not have to use M-Rob on kick returns

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by smileyman on Jun 24, 2010 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kick return

Ball security is first and foremost. Catch the BALL and hang on to it, inspite of the expected contact.

by Fred Clay C on Jun 23, 2010 1:30 PM PDT reply actions  

Punt return is more specific to what you're saying

On a kick return if you drop the ball you have time to pick it up and often enough it throws defenders out of their lane and can cause coverage breakdowns. Ginn is our best option for Kickoff return

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by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jun 23, 2010 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

likely it means Hill doesn't either

or Williams, my money’s on Hill getting cut out of the 3

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by Tre9er on Jun 24, 2010 7:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'd hate to see him go, he has playmaking ability, he looked good when Martz was here.

Crabtree, Williams, Morgan, Ginn, Ziegler, and Hill, is what I would take forward, you have two WR’s with ST duties, one on punt and one on KO.

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by rlott#42 on Jun 24, 2010 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hell if nobody else can hold onto a ball

We’ll put Taylor Mays back there to return punts. He’ll catch it and square up and hit the first guy he sees.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jun 24, 2010 11:49 AM PDT reply actions  

That would be entertaining at least....

…hopefully, though, Pete Carroll isn’t the first guy he sees! LOL

by StereoPete on Jun 25, 2010 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

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