Getting Taylor Mays on the Field
Ninjames' Note: Solid fanpost from Tre9er, good stuff for the front page while I finish up some posts. If my future self is any indication, he'll see the field in week one.
So I think we're all pleased by the progress that Taylor Mays has made in this short time period during OTA's and Mini-Camp. Reports are that he's looked fluid, has worked on his back peddle and hips and it shows. He's covering a lot of ground and breaking up passes, getting INT's...just what a safety is supposed to do.
Encouraging, though as I saw written, "anyone can win the swimsuit competition" but there's more to the pageant, like the talent show...where Mays will do the magician trick of cutting a man in half, only it won't be a magic trick.
So of course, in true off-season fanboy fashion we're all trying to think about getting Mays on the field sooner rather than later. Most of us who understand the responsibilities of a Safety in the NFL agree that Mays likely wont know the playbook inside and out come week one. We also know that a guy like Michael Lewis has watched a ton of film not to mention has played against a ton of NFL caliber players over the past decade. That experience factor will likely keep Lewis the starter at Strong Safety for several games, if not the entire 2010 season (barring injury).
After the jump, however, let's look at some potential scenarios where I think Mays could get on the field and use his strengths while not being put in a precarious situation.
Special Teams
I have my reservations about doing this to be honest. I wonder if a rookie with such high potential is worth throwing out "to the wolves" in hopes that he doesn't get dog-piled by a gang of 300 pound men running full speed down the field. But, you can't deny that Mays knows how to find ball carriers and make big hits. I'm actually quite curious to see if Mays will play special teams and if so, which units. My guess is that he'll play on Punt and possibly Kickoff, if any.
Nickel
Last year when the 49ers went into their nickel package Michael Lewis dropped down (most of the time) to the second LB spot, alongside Patrick Willis, and Mark Roman entered as the second safety. We've all sighed a collective sigh of relief that Roman is no longer with the team but now begs the question: who will play Roman's former position in nickel?
Mays would be the obvious answer since we view Lewis as his direct competition and if Lewis isn't in the SS spot in nickel, why not replace him with Mays? Let's remember something. Nickel is a passing defense, when you expect a pass, when the offense lines up with several receiving options...you need to be able to cover in nickel. Sometimes it still puzzles me that Roman was part of that package except that he had experience. He was in the right place most of the time, he was just too slow and un-athletic to stop the play.
Mays is athletic, right? Yeah, but will he be able to cover a wiley WR or big, fast TE? Will he know the playbook well enough to not blow his coverage? Those are the questions. My best answer is to have Mays drop down to LB with Willis and man up on a TE or RB with zone help over the top. Then bring in Reggie Smith or Curtis Taylor for the SS position on those plays. Let Mays line up close to his man and use his athleticism and fysicality to frustrate them.
The other possibility in nickel is to use Mays deep but only if he's responsible for 1/3 of the field or less. This would be a Cover 3 or Cover 4 (also known as quarters) defense where Mays job would be as a deep safety with man help underneath. He would read and break on the ball, keeping receivers in front of him. In this case you'd also want your most athletic linebackers (Lewis, Navorro Bowman, Manny Lawson along with Willis) underneath to man up on the TE and RB. Mays needs to have no major responsibility, rather an area he plays inside of and helps out his teammates.
Dime, Quarter
Similarly to above Mays could be a deep safety in thirds or quarters zone or man'd up close to the line of scrimmage with deep zone help. The added benefit to playing him in dime or quarter is that more DB's will be on the field with him, reducing his responsibility and liability.
Blitzing
Yeah, it would probably tip our hand, but I have zero problem putting Mays in the game to blitz. If he proves he can handle TE's and RB's well enough he very well may earn some time in the Nickel package if he can also blitz effectively. Otherwise, put him in when you want to blitz and let 'em try and stop him! At the very worst he'll force teams to game-plan and account for him which changes the play, protections, etc. and those are all good things.
So Niners Nation, do you agree, disagree, or do you have some other ideas how to get Mays on the field in 2010? Talk about it!
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors.
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I would've voted "all of the above" but for the "Starting SS" option
He’s clearly a Special Teamer to die for, but I think starting SS is a bit too much for him to bite off at this point. Michael Lewis is the guy I want back there at least on early downs and I’d trust Reggie Smith (a former CB) in pass coverage before I’d trust Mays.
Early on, at least, there are three reasons I’d like to see Mays playing the FS position in this scenario:

1) It’s the spot that’s most like his college position.
2) The advantage that his speed presents is best utilized, since he can fill a hole up the middle on the kind of run play teams like to run against Nickel defenses. With his speed, he’s basically playing like a linebacker that’s in the box except he doesn’t line up in the box.
3) From that spot he would likely be able to break on the ball in time if the pass gets thrown mid-to-deep.
I'm just not sure how much worse what Vick did than what "Ben" did. Glad he's not a Niner.
His combination of natural gifts makes him a tweener
In a way I don’t think I’ve ever seen before. He’s the same size as Julian Peterson but he’s as fast as Chris Johnson over the first 25-30 yards and we will find ways to get him on the field. Imagine what would happen bringing him and Ahmad Brooks off the edges on a blitz. Ahmad makes an outside inside move and flushes the qb backwards out of the pocket into the path of an oncoming freight train like Mays. I’ll tell you one thing. Tom Brady would be calling for a penalty immediately after the coaches crack that smelling salt tab under his nose.
Here is Taylor Mays for those that think he’s going to get lighter and faster at camp. This guy is only going to get STRONGER. He really can’t get much leaner so he won’t get much faster… But he’s proved he’s as fast as any man in that draft other than Jacoby Ford already. I think he’s fast enough… I can’t believe this guy fell to 49. Its just a sign people, it was meant to be.
Gimme 1 round!
Also
*So much was made of USC safety Taylor Mays and his impressive 40 times at this year’s combine, but the one number I’ve heard that impressed some NFL executives as much if not more is the 22 he scored on the Wonderlic test.
A 22 is pretty good for any defensive player in the NFL, with a guy like Taylor and his work ethic I wouldn’t be surprised if he knows the PB and his assignments inside and out by mid-season. I’m really not worried about it at all. I’m almost more worried he will mentally burn himself out from trying as hard or harder than any rookie I’ve ever heard talk over.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jun 24, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
OK, I try not to put people in a box based on their appearance, but sometimes I fail, and I’m surprised the guy pictured above did well on an IQ test. I’m not sure if it’s the fact that he’s dressed like 8 bits from 89 (Contra) or if he’s posing with his tongue out and he’s not MJ..I’m just sayin..
I’m also saying, this isn’t a caption contest, but I still just won….Just sayin..
I know what I'm talking about, I started at right guard for the 1992 College Park Falcons.
by Johnnysixnut on Jun 30, 2010 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions
The only thing that concerns me .....
Is that you have this pic on your computer….you working on a Bro-mance? lol
by sanfranfanmdk on Jun 24, 2010 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I actually found this on an article I think linked to under the National Football Post
off to the right hand side of this post. Or it could have Fanhouse. Right click>Save>photobucket>immediately posted here to blow peoples minds.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jun 24, 2010 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
whoops
did that picture of me with a taylor mays mask on my face from last Halloween make it onto the internet?
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Lol
Can you believe this kid is just turned 22 in February? And to top it off he has 4 full years of college and his degree how often do you see that these days. Now that his whole life is TRULY football we could see something amazing from him.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jun 25, 2010 6:26 AM PDT up reply actions
I was just going through his wiki...
Who said anything about this kid not having any ball skills? He played ultimate ironman in HS as Safety, WR and Punt returner! I was just kidding when I talked about him returning punts but if it all goes bad stick Taylor back there
From his wiki
As a junior in 2004, he posted 124 tackles, 5 interceptions and 75 deflections, catching 25 passes for 700 yards with 23 touchdowns and returning 12 punts for 392 yards with 10 touchdowns while earning Student Sports Junior All-American honors as a defensive back, wide receiver and quarterback.
His final year at O’Dea, he collected 166 tackles, 5 interceptions and 5 pass deflections as a safety while catching 36 passes for 765 yards and 15 touchdowns. As a senior in 2005, he was named All-State First-team and All-Metro League Mountain Division Offensive MVP and Defensive Co-MVP. He also returned 12 punts for 392 yards and 3 touchdowns
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jun 25, 2010 6:29 AM PDT up reply actions
are those numbers right?
great googely moogely…so 23 of his 25 receptions went for TD’s? And he averaged 28 yards per reception, so he was getting bombs…makes sense, was probably the fastest player on the field by a very long way.
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I'd imagine the 75 deflections has to be incorrect
and the 10 punt returns for TDs as a jr is probably wrong. But the senior #s look right.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jun 25, 2010 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah somebody screwed up his Jr #s
But 12 punts 392 yards and 3 TDs sounds just right. The deflections might have been 7.5.
But still… THIS SENIOR YEAR
166 tackles, 5 interceptions and 5 pass deflections as a safety while catching 36 passes for 765 yards and 15 touchdowns. As a senior in 2005, he was named All-State First-team and All-Metro League Mountain Division Offensive MVP and Defensive Co-MVP. He also returned 12 punts for 392 yards and 3 touchdowns
Offensive and Defensive MVP of his metro conference lol
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jun 25, 2010 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Also lol worthy
Taylor Mays is Jewish.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jun 25, 2010 6:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Im one of the people
who thought he would get lighter in camp….until I found out this dude has 5% BODY FAT…THAT’S FREAKIN UNREAL….but anyways he will no doubt be in on nickel downs in my opinion. As far as starting SS, I don’t know bout that because I want them to bring him along slowly so he can get accustomed to the playbook. I would like him to be in on STs to potentially block punts and field goals…thats it for STs. By mid season he should be ready to make that transition to possibly start some games but Lewis will play a big part in our defense’s success.
Beat Em To The Punch - Bill Walsh
He looks like a pro fighter
after they cut water to make weight. Nobody, (not on the 49ers), should look like that day in and day out for their regular life. The amount of work it takes is ridiculous.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jun 24, 2010 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I think VD comes pretty close followed by Willis
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Honestly... the last guy I remember with that kind of athleticism
Taylor Mays knows Safety… But Bo knows everything…
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jun 25, 2010 12:41 AM PDT up reply actions
maybe they can do "Mays Plays"
cause he might get sprinkled in all over the place.
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But VD would the workout warrior closest to Mays that I can think of.
having these two pushing each other in the weight room could have dynamic results on both careers.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jun 25, 2010 6:41 AM PDT up reply actions
VD has to own him in physique
same height and VD has him by 20 pounds, similar body fat % I’m sure. Still T.Mays is probably one of the best matchups on VD because he has slightly better speed and doesn’t give up 50 lbs.
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Same height doesn’t mean same frame, doesn’t mean same body type to pack on a certain amount of pounds, be it muscle or fat.
And then God created Saturn... and he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
Twitter me and what not.
looking at their bodies though
both have very low body fat. I understand their frames might be different size, but my point is that VD is bigger, but Mays matches up a lot better than most NFL defenders because while he’s as fast (faster?) he is also much closer in size than the typical player that runs that fast (DB’s)
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Mays would be one of a scant few defenders in the league
that would stand a chance in man coverage on VD. Maybe Julian Peterson also. JP needs to forget about the money and come home. Imagine if we let Manny Lawson go, replaced him with Brooks and then used that extra money to resign JP with Parys backing up both sides.
2 years from now…
Smith, Aubreyo, Sopoaga,
Brooks, Willis, Bowman, Peterson
Ras-I Dowling, Goldson, Mays, Spencer.
OMG
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jun 25, 2010 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions
If Dowling isn't gone early
He made the right decision to go back. He’ll get taken way higher in that now depleted draft.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jun 25, 2010 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Ok that didn't come out how I wanted it to and made no sense.
The “If Dowling isn’t gone early” is referring to the above post where I had him replacing Clements and his huge salary.
The second half is just talking about his decision to go back. And has nothing to do with the subject line.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jun 25, 2010 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't pretend like you don't like the idea though.
For years Peterson was the best player on our team. We would have so much speed at LB it would be laughable watching teams try to run on us.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jun 25, 2010 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Dude Peterson is an ageing freak (its ageing or aging both forms are acceptable I checked)
And the fact that he’s not represented higher on here is he’s playing for a crap team. He was the sole element of talent last year, watch him this year with Van Den Bosch and Suh in front of him. He’s going back to the pro bowl. Any guy that with a little help can perennially go to the pro bowl at his 4-3 OLB position can succeed and likely succeed mightily in a 3-4 OLB as that elite 4-3 OLB is likely the kind of athlete you want at a 3-4. Do you think Julian Peterson can’t blitz or cover or something ?? lol
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jun 28, 2010 1:48 AM PDT up reply actions
in regards to "that he's not represented higher on here"
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jun 28, 2010 1:50 AM PDT up reply actions
shall we let you continue?
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Taylor Mays needs to be starting by mid season for this to be a successful playoff team.
Lewis can’t get her done. If teams, by some grave mistake, run on every 1st and 2nd down vs the 49ers then we won’t need Mays starting.
Black Sand Ninja!!!
Lewis can get it done.
And has done so. We didn’t lose any games because of him, and we won some arguably for him. You can’t assume Mays will be ready by mid-season, and you can’t assume he’s better in coverage because he swatted a couple in practice and got a couple picks. There is just zero basis right now on saying Mays is better than Lewis in coverage. This is a classic case of throwing something at the wall and hoping that it sticks.
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well...
I can, by his careers tendency to get injured, assume Dashon Goldson will miss some games this season. In comes Taylor Mays out goes Dashon’s unrealistic contract demands.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jun 24, 2010 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
2009 was the first season where Goldson was healthy for all 16 games.
Logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority
Yes I know but how many years in the league has he played. A lot of college players adjust to the fysicality after a couple of seasons.
Black Sand Ninja!!!
1 out of 3 seasons isn't very good
especially when he only suited up for 9 games his rookie year and 10 the next.
Now I’ll grant that he did a great job last year and I think he can do it again this year, but he does have a history of not playing.
Logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority
I'm more concerned about Lewis health than Goldson
Coming off all those concusions…Us 49er fans know as well as anyone things dont look to good for a player after continuous concusions.
You're right, and I said it before OTA's and It is PURE SPECULATION at this point, but in time it will be truth.
It’s a belief I have. Saying we didn’t lose any games because of him is something you can say about almost every player, but it doesn’t mean his poor coverage didn’t hurt. I am positive our team has to play a certain way when he is on the field, great vs the run, but I don’t like him vs the pass. I know, I know, we have already agreed to disagree, but I think Mays WILL be better and ready by mid-season.
Black Sand Ninja!!!
I'm with you..
And as much as some people may not like it you are absolutely correct. As far as when Mays starts, well only time will tell. But I can see him possibly starting or getting a big chunk of playing time before mid-season. I think it will be absolutely necessary to get him out there playing.
dude
Are you serious? why throw him in to start right away lewis is not bad. I am a strong supporter of Mays all the way but you cant say that lewis has not been doing good.
It's going to be hard holding this guy out of the starting lineup for a whole season.
He told Eisen that he doesn’t watch NFL Network anymore because he just listens to his coaches and Sing says he’s driving them crazy with his questions. Throw this kid a bone in the nickel and he’s ready to kill somebody.
I think he’d be best being groomed one role at a time and by the end of the season, he’ll have enough roles mastered to be dependable. Throw him in at the start and he’ll be as confused as Mike Rumpf was.
by DeathValleyCarl on Jun 24, 2010 1:37 PM PDT reply actions
Agreed.
I voted that he’ll be in the nickel package. At least that’s where he’ll start off… But this kid is going to want to take some Seahawk heads off. If it weren’t unrealistic and stupid, I’d say just turn him loose Week 1 and let the bone crushing commence!
Back to reality: I’m really excited to see how and what he does.
They'll let him blitz a couple times during the Seachicken game I think
Then by the time we play them again he’ll be sprinkled in AT LEAST here and there for instant energy and because he can cause chaos for an offense with his abilities if they aren’t sure how he’s going to be used.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jun 24, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed - Not much judgement needed for blitzing.
See QB, run around OT, fake out RB, decleat QB (call for trainer).
Hasselback: “Who was that – Willis?”
by DeathValleyCarl on Jun 25, 2010 6:12 AM PDT up reply actions
no, no, no
Hasselbeck: “Holy buckets Batman! Joker just hit us like a ton of bricks! Look! A pink elephant!”
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Wow
so between Nickel Safety and Starting Safety and “All of the Above or combination” it seems like a majority of us believe Mays will get on the field a lot from the get-go. Nickel Safety alone would account for probably 20% of the defensive snaps (anyone got stats on that?) which is significant for a rookie. At any rate I hope he can get on the field that much so we can watch the carnage and laud our draft pick.
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Hmmmm Tre,Tre,Tre ...
…That experience factor will likely keep Lewis the starter at Strong Safety for several games, if not the entire 2010 season (barring injury)…. dude …!!!
Kewl
if I don't cover my bases
someone will come say “what about injury!”
the world is full of those types
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