Looking for a Hero
by urnext on Jul 12, 2010 1:00 PM PDT
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PrintFor as long as groups of people have lived together, they've shared stories of great heroes. Back when people lived in constant fear of war bands marching into their town, abusing their women, and selling their children into slavery, the heroes were mighty warriors. People who could protect them. We read how Hercules killed the Nemean Lion, Samson slayed 1000 Philistines with only the jawbone of an ass, and King Arthur united Britain into the Utopian Camelot. While we're no longer one bad crop away from starvation, we do still like to share stories of heroes. And for many people, the modern day athlete is the new hero.
We love to be amazed with physical feats that boarder on super human. But to make a story great the hero has to struggle first. No one wants to read a book where the main character is born with everything, gets the girl, and beats his enemies with ease. Without Apollo Creed, we wouldn't have had Rocky. If the Karate Kid didn't have a gimpy leg, and the members of the Cobra Kia dojo hadn't been such tools to him throughout the movie, we wouldn't have cared that much when he performed the perfect crane kick to Johnny's face. It's the low points of the hero that makes their triumphs so much more exciting.
That's also how it is with sports. Joe Montana will forever be remembered as the greatest 49er QB, but there was something extra special about Steve Young's one Super Bowl victory. Even those who weren't 49er fans could feel good for Young. Michael Jordan won 6 NBA championships but sometimes people forget it took him 6 years to win that first one because he had to get past the Pistons first. Peyton Manning fought for 9 yeas and John Elway battled for 13 years before finally winning their first Super Bowls.
But what happens when the hero says that the challenge is too great? What happens when they say they've tried but they'll never win it all while playing in your city? How do the fans in that city react when their greatest hero walks out on them? That's what happened on Thursday when LeBron James told Cleveland he was leaving.
More after the jump.
If LeBron would rather play in Miami with his friends Wade an Bosh, that's fine. Like everyone else he needs to do what he feels is best for him. But I think he's seriously underestimating the impact his leaving will have on how he's remembered. Also, announcing he's going to "South Beach" instead of "Miami" or "The Heat" should also give you some insight into what's motivating him.
Instead of seeing a hero who almost single handedly rescued a town with a championship, they'll see someone who ran from the fight. Orlando Magic GM Otis Smith said he thought LeBron was "more of a competitor". How would fans remember Jordan now if he had decided to leave the Bulls before winning it all? How would Manning with the Colts or Elway with the Broncos be remembered today if they had done the same?
LeBron compared his situation to Kevin Garnett who left the Timberwolves for the Celtics and won a championship right away. But unlike LeBron, Garnett played for 12 years before leaving. Plus the Timberwolves were able to get 2 first round picks and 7 players, including Al Jefferson, in return. And let's be honest. What would have helped Garnett's legacy more, winning a championship in Minnesota or winning like he did in Boston alongside Allen and Pierce?
Now he finds himself in a no win situation. Miami is Wade's team. If he wins he'll be remembered more as Alex Rodrigez than Derek Jeter. Even if he wins 6 NBA titles he'll always be remembered for not being able to win by himself in Cleveland. Wade already won a championship. He's proven he can be the hero. As for LeBron, he's just lowered himself from potential hero to sidekick.
One more thing LeBron. If you ever chose to leave Miami, try to remember these words of Nada Surf next time:
Three important rules for breaking up
Don't put off breaking up when you know you want to
Prolonging the situation only makes it worse
Tell him honestly simply kindly but firmly
Don't make a big production
Don't make up an elaborate story
This will help you avoid a big tear-jerking scene
If you want to date other people, say so
Be prepared for the boy to feel hurt and rejected
Even if you've gone together for only a short time
And haven't been too serious
There's still a feeling of rejection when somebody says
She prefers the company of others to your exclusive company
But if you're honest and direct
And avoid making a flowery emotional speech
When you break the news
The boy will respect you for your frankness
And honestly, he'll appreciate the kind straight-forward manner
In which you told him your decision
Unless he's a real jerk or a cry-baby you'll remain friends
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You can't win a Championship by yourself.
It took Pippen for Jordan to get his rings. Wade and Kobe had Shaq. It take 2 Star players on a team to win a ring. LeBron was let down year after year when Cleveland refused to get him the help he deserved. What changes now? Do you see Cleveland do anything to help him when they did nothing to do it in the past? No. LeBron will be remembered as a great player reguardless of how many rings he has. Kobe didn’t do it by himself, he is basicaly on a stacked team of talent. The Lakers are one of the teams with the most depth. Better to win Championships with Wade and Company than to never win one at all. Cleveland Cav fans suck. crying for him leaving instead of thanking him for what he did for them.
and now that it’s all said and done, what exactly did he do for them?
Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get me.
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by atxgiantsfan on Jul 12, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Nothing.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Jul 12, 2010 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Are you kidding?
What did Lebron do for the Cavs? About the same that Peyton did for the Colts. Made them relavent again, that’s what. The last time the Cavs were worth a damn, some guy named Jordan hit a 20 foot bucket to sink the franchise back decades.
Since then, nothing good has come out of Cleveland save for FA’s. Then along comes a homegrown talent. Argueably one of the best, (If not THE best) players in the league. Year after year, he promises to bring home a title. Year after year, he gets that much closer. Even going so far as to the big game. Then, last year, with the leagues best regular season record and 2 blowout rds in hand, he meets a lttle stiff resistance. From a journeyman team that refuses to fold. What does he do? He tanks it in the most important games. It’s a shame when even your own collegues say that you didn’t put forth a worthwhile effort.
To make matters worse, the place that you have called home, the place that has given you it’s deadlevel all, and supported your every move, gets hung out like the 2 am bootycall girl while you bask at the club. While there, you meet 2 other hot chicks, and know full well that you intend to leave your steady for the more attractive kind.
Instead of manning up and owning your decision, you let the steady girl blow in the wind for weeks. Then, you dump her at the 4th of July cook out. In front of family, friends and respected collegues.
This is what Lebron did to Cleveland. This is what he did to his fans. It’s not so much that fact he wants a hot girl. Hell….that’s a given. But, to string along an entire city and state, only to jet like a punk. That’s just plain offensive. So….don’t feel amnity for the fans in Cleveland. Who because of Lebron, they mattered. Don’t have anger toward Dan Gilbert, the father of the brokenhearted, for calling Lebron a coward.
You need more coaxing? Remember back when a certain hero in the Bay Area wearing #16 thought HE needed a change of scenery? All we did was give the man everything short of a seat as a Senator for CA. But, like the stand up guy he was….he made the decision to leave. Quickly, firmly, honestly. The pain of his leaving hit many a Niner fan as we had no idea what we had in his replacement. But, at least we didn’t twist in the wind, with the hope that we would have our hero. Just like Cleveland.
K.C.Edwards -AKA- "THE" DarkkStarr
Peyton Manning helped win a SB for Indy.
Don’t bring up Joe though. He was old and injury prone when he left for KC. Lebron is in his prime.
Truth is, he won all sorts of individual awards and put up great individual stats.
What good does that do Cleveland now and going forward in the future?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Jul 13, 2010 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh really?
You mean the 40 yr old, injury prone, guy who played for the Chiefs the next season and defeated us. At home, by 20? Yeah. That was Montana. The same guy who guided those piss poor Chiefs teams back to the playoffs.
K.C.Edwards -AKA- "THE" DarkkStarr
I don't think Cleveland fans were mad at the decision to leave
They obviously wanted him to stay, but I think they could have lived with him leaving. Even though he was obviously a bit of a prima donna, and even though most people watching the playoffs thought he quit on the team when he faced a real challenge.
It was the fact that he was a total, unrepentant, self-absorbed, dickhead about it, and trashed Cleveland to boot, that caused Cleveland fans, and frankly most of America, to start hating.
I kinda liked Le BJ before all this. I now find him to be one of the least likeable sports figures in the world, and will root for him to fail.
Also, Pippen wasn’t a superstar until Jordan made him a superstar. Grant and Kerr were role players at best. It’s kinda ridiculous to compare Jordan/Pippen to LeBJ/Wade/Bosh. Pippen was nowhere near the talent level of those guys.
And yes, Le BJ is a very talented player who will make the HoF. But no, he will never be in the discussion for being one of the all time greats. He’s a quitter.
Easy on Scottie....
Yes, he happened to play with Jordan,=. But, he was a spectacular player in his own right. If I remember correctly, Chicago didn’t draft him. He was traded for from Seattle. He also had 7 All Star appearances, and was averaging 18.2 ppg when he left Chi for Houstan. After 11 faithful years.
K.C.Edwards -AKA- "THE" DarkkStarr
He was the best defender in the league for 10 years
And a solid scorer to boot. That’s a pretty solid #2 considering the relative dearth of elite talent around the league post Magic/Bird retirements.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jul 14, 2010 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
That was back in the day when I actually watched the NBA
One of the underrated rivalries of that time period was the Bulls/Jazz.
Logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority
BS
The Cavs did everything LeBron wanted them to do.
They signed every player that LeBron asked them to sign.
LeBron was basically the GM of the Cavs. He got everything he asked for and still couldn’t deliver.
You can’t honestly believe that the 2009 Cavs didn’t have the talent to win it all. LeBron quit in the Boston series. It’s a simple as that.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Jul 12, 2010 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, let me put it this way.
Lebron isn’t the best GM then. Because you’re not winning a championship with Mo Williams, Delonte West, and the corpse of Antawn Jamison. Other then Anderson Varejao, LeBron was the only talented player on that roster. LeBron made those players who they are, and without LeBron, they’re a 30 win team at best.
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by Hoopers Judge on Jul 12, 2010 6:33 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Don't forget Shaq
By the same token, Kobe, Steve Nash, and Tim Duncan can say the same for their team. Kobe’s “attempt” to jet aside, all of them make their collective team better. And don;t quit when the going gets rough.
Oh, speaking for all you Kobe haters out there. Yes….Kobe threatented to leave. But, that was also after getting the Lakers to 2 seats in the playoffs with NO HELP! And, management refusing to lift a finger in gettin ghim help. Now, don;t get me wrong. I know full well that Kobe was one of the main reasons Shaq left, and he made that bed. However, he still came to play every night. Giving his all in good times and bad. Then, when things began to turn around, he didn’t think of bolting again. He led his teammates by example. It would have been real easy fo rKobe to try and coast. Pack it in after the humiliating defeat in the Finals against the Celtics. But, all that did was fuel him more to get better. To make his teammates better (across the board) and continue to bring glory to the Lakers franchise.
You are more than welcome to disagree.
K.C.Edwards -AKA- "THE" DarkkStarr
Dude you're missing the point
Stop beating a straw man. Very few people care that Le BJ left Cleveland. Most of the criticism about Le BJ falls into two categories (and fwiw I think 1) is a much bigger deal than 2))
1) He went about making his announcement in just about the most toolish, dickheaded way possible, while crapping all over a team and city that hadn’t done him wrong.
2) After he crapped the bed in the playoffs (in a way that I don’t believe Kobe or Jordan ever did, it’s not like the Celtics were triple teaming Le BJ or anything), he went to a team with two other bona fide alpha dog superstars. I don’t think you can sit there with a straight face and say that Le BJ has the same competitive fire as Jordan or Kobe, neither of whom would have done that. Kobe hated sharing the spotlight with Shaq, and Jordan would never have gone to a team with Barkley and Malone at the time.
Or the Glove (Payton), or The Rainman (Kemp)… man those were some good basketball years.
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by theghostofjasonellison on Jul 13, 2010 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Dude....you miss my point.
It’s not beating a dead horse. And yes, I agree wholeheartedly with everything you said. Have you perhaps read my other comments on here? They all say the same thing you did. I have no issue with “WHY” James left. But, like you and most other fans “HOW” he left. So…how am I beating a straw man?
K.C.Edwards -AKA- "THE" DarkkStarr
I know LeBron is not a good GM
But I’m arguing against the guy that said Cleveland didn’t do anything for LeBron.
It doesn’t matter that the 09 Cavs were mediocre without LeBron. With LeBron they were an 80 win team and with Lebron they were good enough to win the title.
Too bad Lebron decided to quit.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Jul 13, 2010 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Empathy.
I think as fans we should be able to empathize w/ Cleveland’s emotions. Just imagine going through all the highs and lows w/ a player and knowing that w/out him your franchise is done. Because, let’s be honest, the Cavs are done as an elite team in spite of what Dan Gilbert’s letter says about winning a title before Lebron. Sure, Lebron is an individual entitled to make his own choices, but that doesn’t mean his decision to leave doesn’t hurt the fans in Cleveland. The notion that Cleveland didn’t do enough to create a team around him is flat out wrong. They definitely made poor personnel choices, but I’m guessing that Lebron endorsed and signed off on most, if not all, of the players that were brought in. Lebron could have won a title in Cleveland, but it would’ve taken more patience, dedication, and thicker skin than I think he possesses. The Cavs did everything Lebron asked except get him a championship, which you don’t ‘get’…you EARN.
He’s only 25. He’s been in the league 7 years, but so what? There’s not timetable for championships. He created the image of himself as a ‘savior’ and ‘chosen one’ so he can’t then turn around and say that the people of Cleveland and Ohio expected too much of him. He failed them and chose to leave in the most despicable and self-aggrandizing way possible. I wouldn’t have left Cleveland if I were him, but I don’t fault him for making that choice. I do fault him, however, for leaving in the way he did and I think that’s the part most people genuinely have a problem w/. He acted like a jackass.
Don’t bash Cleveland. Make no mistake, if Montana, Young, Rice, or an athlete from another sport like Barry Bonds had left SF prematurely, of their own accord, and during their prime, we’d all be heartbroken and livid—and these athletes weren’t local products who marketed themselves as messiahs. Lebron created his image, and now he’s made his ‘decision’ into the worst kind of spectacle. Ultimately, he’ll have to live w/ the fallout and legacy no matter what he ends up doing in his career. He’s made his proverbial bed and we’ll see how he enjoys lying in it.
"The principle is competing against yourself. It's about self improvement, about being better than you were the day before." ~Steve Young #8
by Young_To_Rice on Jul 12, 2010 3:02 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Should never let a player be bigger than the team
It will always end in heartbreak.
Coach Boone: And who's team is this, Gary? Is this your team? Or is this your daddy's team?
Bertier: Yours.
Coach Boone: Now get on the bus. Put on your jacket first and then get on the bus.
He failed them and chose to leave in the most despicable and self-aggrandizing way possible
What? How did he do that. He just anounced that he was leaving. How is that despicable? Because he left…Retarded….He wants to win Championships. Period! If he believes that he will be able to do that in Miami then he should do what is best for him….Not the fans. Besides, he just made a bunch of new fans. I keep hearing how the NFL would never allow this to happen…LOL….like Goodell would have any control over what a player did with free agency. The NFL cuts people all the time with no regard to them. It’s all buisness….but when a player does the same thing, everyone gets all bent out of shape. LeBron took less money!
Besides, I’ve been to Miami and I’ve been to Cleveland….Cleveland is a dying town, dirty and cold. Miami is a beautiful place to play and live.
by ericalancanty on Jul 12, 2010 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions
When I said Goodell wouldn’t have let this happen, I said that he wouldn’t let a player become bigger than the league. There’d be no one hour special, no talk of free agency during the playoffs, or anything. Goodell would protect the integrity of his sport.
LeBrons despised because of his ego. The fact that he made announcements to steal attention away from the playoffs, the fact that he led Cleveland on, and then he made this one hour announcement that was a giant “FU” to Cleveland. No other player ever did what he did. The best part? He’s celebrating as if he won a title.
Him choosing Miami also wasn’t the “championship” choice. There’s a number of other teams with better rosters than Miami.
He didn’t take less money. He had a sign and trade deal that saw him get a max contract in his Cleveland amount.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Goodell’s a chump. He’s already let players become bigger than the league by making rules that are designed for specific players (like Brady’s “no below the knee” finger pokes). I agree with your post, and I just about always agree with what you say, but I just really dislike Goodell.
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by theghostofjasonellison on Jul 13, 2010 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, he failed.
He promoted himself as a messianic figure—see the ‘we are all witnesses’ Nike ad campaign. Cleveland fans were supposed to be witnesses to the franchise’s savior. LBJ was going to lead them to championships and respectability. He created that image himself. No one forced that upon him and only when he couldn’t live up to his own self-created hype did he whine about the fans expecting too much. Yes, they did expect a lot, but mostly because of the hype surrounding Lebron that he was responsible for bringing to life. He failed to deliver on the image he created and when things got difficult and uncomfortable for him personally—he bailed. It’s his choice to leave, but the flack he’s taking is of his own creation.
And if you don’t see how the ESPN ‘Decision’ was self-aggrandizing and despicable then I don’t know what to say. It was the most classless way to announce his departure from Cleveland that he could have possibly come up w/ and will go down as an infamous moment in sports history. I don’t know who he was taking advice from when he agreed to that sham of an “interview,” but I can’t wait to see the reaction from Ohio when Lebron returns for his charity event in August. The s*** will most certainly hit the fan and he’ll grin and play it cool, but he’ll be hurting because at that point it will dawn on him that he no longer has hometown support and pride. He’ll be a pariah who sold out and didn’t realize how good he truly had it.
He could have won rings in Cleveland if only he had been more patient. Now, he’ll probably win rings, but at the cost of his hometown and reputation as a class act. I’m w/ Gilbert, we’re all witnesses to the lessening of a king.
"The principle is competing against yourself. It's about self improvement, about being better than you were the day before." ~Steve Young #8
by Young_To_Rice on Jul 12, 2010 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s not that he left…it’s the way in which he left. He hyped that he was going to be a free agent for 2 years! He had a one hour show all about how he was leaving Cleveland, which completely killed the Cavs. They are no longer an NBA team that anyone has to worry about…and no longer a place anyone’s going to want to sign with. And LeBron went on national TV to do that. It was always about him. It’s always been about him. And, yes, that special was despicable.
I don’t care that he’s decided he needs to ride D Wade’s coattails to a championship. I do care that he went on national TV to completely ruin Cleveland and everyone who loved him for 7 years.
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Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 12, 2010 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions
?
He held a one hour special on national television and held the world hostage for months leading up to it.
He humiliated Cleveland on national TV.
LeBron took less money!
Lol.
He’s just taking a 5 year deal. He’ll still be getting paid the same on a per year basis. Not to mention the fact that Florida has no state taxes and the fact that Miami is a huge market with TONS of sponsorship opportunities.
He’ll get his money dude.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Jul 13, 2010 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Miami is a huge market
until they stop caring about sports again. Like they always do.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jul 13, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Right now, he'll get his $$$
Miami fans are going to be all over the Heat early on and LeBron is going to cash in.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Jul 13, 2010 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions
At least Bosh didn't have a one-hour special and say...
“I’m taking my talents to America. Suck it Raptors!”
Coach Boone: And who's team is this, Gary? Is this your team? Or is this your daddy's team?
Bertier: Yours.
Coach Boone: Now get on the bus. Put on your jacket first and then get on the bus.
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by Hoopers Judge on Jul 12, 2010 6:35 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
IMO ...
… he made a spectacle of himself , all that was a little much for me ,but if his premise was to get a ring kudos for him , it’ is sad for the Calf’s fan’s as it would be for any loyal fan …!!
Gotta love a woman that wear's knee pad's to work ...!!
LeBron should have left Cleavland two years ago
No one should have to stay in Cleavland for more than five years. The whole situation was pretty ugly to begin with. LeBron just did everything he could to make it the worst it could be, while making himself look like a complete @$$. Dan Gilbert was never going to get LeBron the team he needed to have to win the championship. LeBron can’t win it by himself. You now have to have three of the top twenty players on the same team to win a championship. The NBA is not a very good organization anyway, why would the players handle themselves with any class? The ones who do should get more recognition.
Oh yeah....Dan Gilbert's a schmuck.....
It’s not as if he didn’t sign and trade for supporting players whenever possible…..I mean, it’s not like Cleveland didn’t win 1 Eastern Conference championship or didn’t have the best regular season record 2 years running.
The only thing Gilbert did wrong was build a franchise around a guy who wasn’t a franchise player. LeBron struggles in the playoffs where defense and determination wins titles. He’s not “the guy” nor does he like being “the guy.” That’s why he went to Miami as opposed to taking Bosh to Chicago.
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by TexansDC on Jul 12, 2010 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Word.
Well said.
Gilbert did what Lebron wanted and acquired players he approved of specifically. Management and ownership can only do so much and then it’s up to the players to execute—most especially the superstar.
I also agree w/ the later comment about Miami being a fair weather sports town. Chicago and Cleveland are infinitely better. For someone like Lebron, though, I think this is intimidating. He’d much rather play in a city where, yeah, fans will love him if he wins BUT also won’t crucify him if his team fails to win it all. Knowledgeable and passionate fans demand a lot, true, but I’d take them any day over fans who simply jump on the bandwagon.
"The principle is competing against yourself. It's about self improvement, about being better than you were the day before." ~Steve Young #8
by Young_To_Rice on Jul 12, 2010 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions
If LeBron cared about the fans that much
He would stay in Cleavland and play for free. I just don’t think he cares about the fans at all, or he wouldn’t make such a big deal about leaving, while acting like Cleaveland was a bunch of losers.
Cleveland is a bunch of losers
He just wanted to go play with his friends and live on the beach. Uber-lame.
Had Lebron wanted to win championships, become a massive superstar and unbelievably wealthy he could have gone…
To the Sacramento Kings. Played Kobe every year in the playoffs and restarted the Kings Lakers rivalry that somehow made small market Sac a big player in the NBA. Jason Williams jerseys were the highest seller in the NBA for a bit. That’s J-dub. Not King James.
Lebron, Tyreke, Cousins, Garcia, Cassipi, Dalembert and cap room for 1 more addition. Um… That’s a HELL of a better roster than Miami has right now and they are near the cap max with like 4 guys signed.
Wade>Tyreke (right now) Bosh> Cousins (right now) and they have Mike Miller but they have NOTHING else. Sac would have f***in WORSHIPED that guy. Instead he goes to a fairweather fan city. puke F*CK HIM Sorry the site decorum was necessary there. I was such a HUGE fan of the guy and he shit all over the game, his own legacy and his own city to go to a crap town like Miami. You have a house on the beach and a ton of money Lebron, you don’t currently and hopefully never will have a damn thing else.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jul 12, 2010 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Think about what you just said...
“Lebron, Tyreke, Cousins, Garcia, Cassipi, Dalembert and cap room for 1 more addition. Um… That’s a HELL of a better roster than Miami has right now and they are near the cap max with like 4 guys signed.”
LeBron, Wade, Bosh, Haslem, Miller. Sacramento is better than THAT?
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by David Fucillo on Jul 13, 2010 7:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Cap room for another medium level addition
The big 3 on each team is relatively equal. I would say Cousins’ ceiling is much higher than Bosh’s who isn’t a real big man he’s a tweener. Cousins is a real big man.
The big 3 doesn’t work unless you cover all the bases. 2 little guys and a big man. (Kobe, Artest, Gasol) 2 big guys and a shooter or point. (Duncan, Robinson and Parker). A point and 2 small forwards isn’t gonna work cause you’re wasting your utility. I could gameplan and beat the Heat every game. I’d just go after Wade every possession and get him in foul trouble. Now you have Lebron Bosh and a bunch of nobodies. What if one of them gets injured? Miami will abandon that team so quick.
Sacto: Tyreke PG, Garcia/Cassipi SG, Lebron SF, Cousins/Dalembert interchangeable as PF/C. That leaves our 6th man as either Garcia or Cassipi who both have a legitimately high ceiling.
Miami: Wade PG, Mike Miller SG, Lebron/Bosh SF, Haslem (if he even comes back) PF, Center???? OOPS
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jul 13, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Hell
He could have gone to the Clippers and really gotten in Kobe’s face.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Jul 13, 2010 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions
So you consider
Ben Wallace’s $14,500,000 and Wally Sczerbiak’s $13,000,000 to be good investments for 2008? Or was it 38 year old Shaquille O Neal’s $20 Mill in 2009? Who are these supporting players? No one is saying Mo Williams isn’t a fantastic point, but who else exactly did the Cav’s go after that played like a champion? The Cavaliers had one of the most expensive rosters full of overpaid underperforming veterans in the NBA. Antawn Jamison is no Chris Bosh. It just was never going to be there, and it’s not the city of Cleavland’s fault. That said, I still think LeBron acted like an @$$.
Keep in mind
Cleveland kept bringing in expensive veterans to win now because Lebron kept threatening to leave. It’s not like they were given the time to build a young team around him.
Also...
These guys are players LBJ wanted and approved of as additions to the team. Everything Cleveland management did was done in an effort to appease Lebron and make him happy—EVERYTHING. The moves didn’t work out, but no one can fault them for not doing everything in their power to make him happy personally and professionally. They even let his damn entourage travel on the team’s flight according to ESPN—something Chicago would not agree to during negotiations that pissed Lebron off and reportedly made him immediately sour on thoughts of joining the Bulls. Are you kidding me? This isn’t high school and you don’t need a posse to boost your ego—grow the f up!
"The principle is competing against yourself. It's about self improvement, about being better than you were the day before." ~Steve Young #8
by Young_To_Rice on Jul 12, 2010 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions
OK I'll go along with that
but it still shows lack of judgement on the Cavaliers part. LeBron isn’t a scout or a manager, he didn’t even go to college. Why would you look to him for advice who to put on the team? The Cavaliers are just never going to get it done. Why? Because they’re from Cleaveland.
Why?
Because LeBron threatened to leave if the Cavs didn’t do what he said.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Jul 13, 2010 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
The LeBron situation made me think one thing....
Thank (higher power here) for Roger Goodell. He wouldn’t let a player attempt to be bigger than the league. The hype and spectacle of a free agent period for one player is ridiculous…David Stern failed his league by allowing LeBron to do all that he did for the past 2 months.
"Lord, beer me strength."
That is why the NBA is a flawed league.
Where it’s league policy for players to be bigger then teams. Just wait for next offseason when Camelo Anthony goes to New York, after stringing along just about every other team in the league.
Beyond my Warriors, I don’t watch NBA games.
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It's official: I'm a Buster Posey fan..... Who isn't?
by Hoopers Judge on Jul 12, 2010 6:42 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
So what would Goodell do if Manning wanted to leave Indy and make a spectacle out of it?
Nothing!…There is little that the Comish can do in a situation like that. If you disagree, leave a reason why, a big boy legit reason.
by ericalancanty on Jul 12, 2010 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Indy would just slap the franchise tag on Manning
If he held out to force a trade, Indy would let him sit and make nothing, or at least get something in return by trading him. Goodell wouldn’t have to do anything because the league hasn’t allowed the NFL player’s union to run all over them like the NBA has.
Don't trust this guy. He lies.
Your right, we have a franchise tag in the NFL.
You can only Franchise a player for so long and then they can decide what they want. Usualy if a team franchises you for more than one year, they lose all respect for the player and the player usualy leaves.
The fact is that LeBron fullfilled his contract and now decided to leave. He did everything right but gets hammered by the fans and the media. I wish him luck and hope him well. Most people watched Cleveland because he was there, not because they liked the team. Players come and players go, move on america, grow up.
by ericalancanty on Jul 12, 2010 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I think it's the way he left that most people are upset about
Also, Cleveland mortgaged their future so they could win now. Now that LeBron’s gone, they’re in full rebuilding mode. Personally, I have no problem with him going to Miami. But it will impact the way he’s remembered once he’s done. MJ had Pippen but their was no doubt that was Jordan’s team. Cleveland was LeBron’s team. But who’s team is Miami? It’s Wade’s team. So if LeBron wins now, it will be in the role of Pippen, not Jordan.
Also, I fully relate with how the fans in Cleveland are feeling. When a home grown super star player rejects your team, it feals like he’s also rejecting the city of Cleveland and everyone in it. They’re taking it very personally, and I don’t blame them. How would you feel if Patrick Willis, instead of signing his new contract, decided he has a better chance of winning it all playing for Dallas, and signed with them? Luckily NFL teams have more barganing power when it comes to retaining their star players than the NBA.
Don't trust this guy. He lies.
free agency
He’s very much entitled to leave. It is free agency after all. But as others have been said, there were different circumstances given the fact that he was home-grown. Furthermore, he didn’t respond to any contact from the Cavs once the season ended and didn’t bother to call the owner before announcing his decision.
Are you telling me that if something along these lines happened to the 49ers you wouldn’t be angry or at least put off by it?
The issue is that he did not actually do everything right. Look at how Kevin Durant handled his contract extension. A quick tweet and back to practice. LeBron could have announced he was leaving very simply and taken care of business. Cavs fans wouldn’t have been happy, but it wouldn’t have been to this extent.
The biggest problem with all this is that LeBron doesn’t seem to realize he angered Cavs fans. I really don’t see how he “did everything right” over the past couple weeks.
by David Fucillo on Jul 12, 2010 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Couldn't have said it better...
Though I’ve tried (*see above). There is no way it can be said that Lebron ‘did everything right.’ Seriously, this will go down as one of the biggest sports related public relations disasters in history. Lebron’s ‘decision’ will be the case study for what not to do if you’re interested in preserving your image and Lebron, himself, will be the new poster-child for spoiled, egotistical athletes.
I mean, just look at the publicity he’s gotten. Outside of Miami, maybe Florida, it’s 99.9% negative and this is regarding someone who was previously pretty much universally respected. First Tiger Woods and now LBJ. Different circumstances, sure, but it’s amazing how far these two icons have fallen in terms of public perception and admiration.
"The principle is competing against yourself. It's about self improvement, about being better than you were the day before." ~Steve Young #8
by Young_To_Rice on Jul 12, 2010 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Well said...
This is, in a nutshell, everything that is wrong with LeBron. He is the biggest egomaniac in all of sports, and deserves the hate he’s getting right now.
Esta noche nosotros cenamos Tortugas
Así que bueno, ellos serán
Z!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ZeroIndulgence on Jul 12, 2010 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions
It was equivalent to Al Davis' Powerpoint
Because it wasn’t necessary to make that kind of presentation. You end up making yourself look like an ass and alienating those who were formerly in your corner.
Coach Boone: And who's team is this, Gary? Is this your team? Or is this your daddy's team?
Bertier: Yours.
Coach Boone: Now get on the bus. Put on your jacket first and then get on the bus.
It was a overhead projecter. Al doesn't like technology.
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by Hoopers Judge on Jul 13, 2010 11:35 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
He used a chalkboard.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Jul 13, 2010 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Kevin Durant is pure, unadultured class.
I was a HUGE Sonics fan, and the man left everything on the court trying to keep the Sonics in Seattle. He even shed a few tears in the last home game of the season before they moved, when the crowd was chanting “Save Our Sonics!” He’s really the one reason I’m still following the league. He just seems like an all-around fantastic person.
Also known to haunt as theghostoftravisdenker and theaccidentalghostofsergioromo.
Adopted parent of good old Wendell, he tries so hard. You'll get a hit someday son!
by theghostofjasonellison on Jul 13, 2010 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions
You can keep franchising them for quite a while
Especially a player like Manning.
Eventually they’ll get tired of the instability of one year contracts and sign a big deal
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Jul 13, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Manning could leave....
but there’d be no spectacle such as a 1 hour ESPN special. We’ve seen Goodell protect the integrity of the league and his league’s image. It is clearly his number one priority.
Yes, there’s a franchise tag to prevent this, but even still…..all Goodell would have to do is call his television partners and say, “If you want to continue business with us, you won’t air that ridiculous special.” The NFL doesn’t allow players to get bigger than the league. That’s how it’s survived and thrived for nearly a century.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Woj @ Yahoo has articles which document Lebron's free agency
He basically reported that these interviews, leaked insider info, etc. was an orchestrated sham to drive interest for “The Decision” which was a marketing idea dreamed up by Lebron’s team back in June. It was Woj’s opinion the decision had already been made awhile ago. To add credibility to his report he came out with this before the actual decision. If you believe this report than Lebron cost Cleveland two vital weeks in free agency to try restock their roster, flirted with other teams and left Cleveland in the dark to boost his own profile and ratings. Like most of have written, it’s now the him leaving, it’s how he did it.
Wade didn't win a championship....
he was gift wrapped a championship by some typical, shady NBA officiating…and that is why the NBA has turned into a big joke
You're probably right about the officiating
There have been two times when I think the officiating has been so bad it’s cost a team the championship. Miami beating Dallas was one and the Steelers beating the Seahawks in the SB was the other.
Don't trust this guy. He lies.
Any team but the Heat...
Seriously Miami has some of the worst fans in sports. The Heat won a title and people stopped coming the very next season. The Marlins have won 2 WS in 15 years and people don’t come to their games.
Pathetic sports town. If Lebron and friends don’t win in the first 2-3 years the fans will abandon them too. I’ll hope and pray for that every day.
Gimme 1 round!
Clipper Darrel does :D
No way Lebron would have went West though. It took 50 wins just to get to the playoffs in the West.
Take my bags, not my top 3 pick!
"Winning is not enough. All others must lose." - Larry Ellison
by Badly Browned on Jul 12, 2010 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I keep hearing the reasoning
that the Cavs hired all the free agents that LeBron wanted. But WHY THE HECK IS A PLAYER DETERMINING THE ROSTER! If they allowed LeBron to dictate roster, they failed as a basketball team. That is the organizations job, not his. They failed to put any talent on the team with LeBron, and saying they were following LeBrons orders is a bogus excuse. There are people better qualified, and specifically paid to accomplish that goal. I feel that the show was a bad idea. But I don’t begrudge a man for realizing that Cleveland did not have the desire to win a championship, and wanting to move on. I feel bad for the people of Cleveland, but the organization got what it deserved.
man is lebron a jerk
taking a pay cut and putting his legacy aside to put himself in a position to win. what a jerk. i hope my kids dont look up to a guy who can honestly say he puts winning before anything else. i hope they idolize a guy who looks for the biggest paycheck or who finds away to make himself look great and not make a team look great. why can’t anyone appreciate it when an athlete finally does something we all complain about? everyone complains about athletes only playing for money or for them self or their image, but when they finally go against all that we just find a new way to rip them. WTF mates?
LeBron isn't a jerk because he wants to win
It’s that he strung several teams along, left Cleveland with nothing, and had to have a 1 hour special just so he can take 10 seconds to tell everyone that he’s going to “South Beach” that has everyone upset. Not to mention he’s stepping down from the challenge of winning in Cleveland so he can take the path of least resistance in Miami. As for money, even with the pay cut, he’s making more than any player in the NBA because of all his endorsements. LeBron can go wherever he wants. But there’s something admirable when someone steps up to a challenge head on instead of backing down and saying it can’t be done.
Don't trust this guy. He lies.
Pay cut?
I’ve been over this on a basketball blog. He’s getting 10% less over the life the contract compared to the maximum. If you had multiple job offers it’s likely the pay would vary at least 10%. If you tried to sell accepting the lower offer as a sacrifice or noble you’d be laughed at.
Again, most of the criticism is how he approached free agency, not who he chose.
+no tax in the sunshine state.
by Rod Blogojevich on Jul 13, 2010 1:59 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
+ More sponsorships in a bigger market
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Jul 13, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
???
He wanted a one hour special to announce his desicion in where his going. No else has done that. It was the height of narcissism.
And my children certainly aren’t having professional athletes as role models. That’s what family and friends are for. Not millionaries disconnected from reality.
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by Hoopers Judge on Jul 13, 2010 1:19 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
damn
i can honestly say i didnt think i would get this many replies. i think people forget that lebron was a free agent and he didnt owe cleveland anything. cleveland could have tried to lock him up years ago. now im not saying having a tv show was humble or anything, but cleveland wasnt doing too much complaining when there was still a chance that he would announce on national tv he would be staying home.
Just to say ...
… I thought this article was really well-written – good job.
LondonNiner - member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010.
by LondonNiner on Jul 12, 2010 10:49 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
No
I suspect Cristiano Ronaldo would love to if anyone gave him the airtime!
LondonNiner - member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010.
Kobe
Let me just throw this out there, too. A lot of people keep comparing this Lebron situation to Kobe’s circumstances when he demanded a trade, etc. and then when he was accused of rape. It seems that people think once Lebron wins a championship or two (by no means guaranteed) that everyone will forget about his disgraceful exit from Cleveland and the way he treated his home state and fans. Not true. They point to the resuscitation of Kobe’s image after he led the Lakers to more championships as an example of the public having a short memory. Not necessarily.
There are most definitely a lot of people who remember the selfishness Kobe showed AND the fact that he was charged w/ rape. Was Kobe guilty of rape? Who knows? The point is, though, that he has to carry around that stigma of being an adulterer and possibly a rapist for the rest of his career and life. People don’t forget even though they may temporarily forgive and the selfishness and criminal charges will always be a footnote to Kobe’s legacy—deservedly or not. These are the circumstances surrounding someone whose actions weren’t seen w/in the context of being a homegrown, local boy turned self-anointed savior. Let me ask you—What do you think the long-term view is going to be of an athlete who pissed on an entire state and fan base in the most public way possible after propping himself up as their sports messiah? It certainly is not going to be positive, championships or not. This perception applies to Lebron, not just in Ohio, but throughout the US and maybe even worldwide—because his status as ‘savior,’ and our subsequent status as ‘witnesses,’ was publicized everywhere.
Lebron can go chase rings in Miami, but he has done lasting damage to his image and legacy. It’s nice to have the jewelry and hardware, but at what cost?
"The principle is competing against yourself. It's about self improvement, about being better than you were the day before." ~Steve Young #8
It seems only ESPN has forgotten Kobe’s checked legacy and they try to convince their audience to gloss over it every chance they get. Most people I talk to still bring up the Colorado incident, the fact that Shaq was center piece of the first three rings and Kobe has flamed out plenty of times in big games/series. It’s still an embarrassment he won Finals MVP over Gasol.
Really? Pau outplayed Kobe? I’d argue that but I’m no basketball expert, I’m not even one of Chris Bosh’s 9 fans up in Canada
by Rod Blogojevich on Jul 13, 2010 2:02 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Gasol?
Eh he had some good games but I wouldn’t say he deserved MVP.
Kobe didn’t play that great either, but they had to give it to someone right?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Jul 13, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Sure, I guess
But was there really a doubt in your mind that the Lakers would win?
It seemed pretty obvious throughout the whole series that the championship would end with the Lakers winning at home in game 7.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Jul 13, 2010 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions
If Perkins was healthy for Game 7..
Gasol would have been toast. Gasol is only as good as the opposing defense keying in on the more consistent players. Gasol is still soft. No way he should have been the MVP. He flat out disappeared in the game where Kobe had to shoot a lot of points to bail out the Lakers in a loss to keep them close.
Funny, when Kobe posts up low, they have 3 defenders on him. Gasol in the low post only needs two, and he still gets the ball slapped out of his hands.
Well, we're waiting....
(for David Carr)
Not to mention
That Kobe actually stayed in LA and won 2 more titles.
So at least Laker fans have “forgotten” his past issues.
I still hate Kobe, though.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Jul 13, 2010 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
I believe!
Kobe did it!
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jul 13, 2010 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't get the LeBron hate at all
Why does everyone ignore the fact that he raised a lot of money for the Boys and Girls club? Why do people ignore that Cleveland’s “help” for LeBron was a joke? The guy did all he could in Cleveland with a joke of a roster. He more than doubled the wealth and value of the Cavs franchise. And I love how so many people say HE created the “savior” image. That was NIKE. They put James on a level of hype before he ever took a shot, and that’s not his fault.
And the thought of him “having to win on his own” doesn’t make sense. EVERY championship team has more than one guy. Look at the Lakers, Spurs, Celtics, Bulls, Heat, or any other team in the last 30 years. Which one had “one guy”? Cleveland acts like he owes them something by drafting him. They didn’t give him a chance that any of the other 29 teams would have killed for. They had him for seven years. I can name 29 other teams that would have killed to have him for two. Just because he got drafted by the team he happened to grow up near does NOT mean that he OWES them anything. I see what he apparently saw. He was never going to win in Cleveland.
Had he kept money from “The Decision”, I could see the point in hating. But he didn’t. Tell those kids who have millions of dollars to benefit them how narcissistic and egotistical he is.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
I’m not 100%, but I remember reading something that said all money raised by “The Decision” didn’t go to the Boys and Girls club. Not to mention that a lot of those kids were upset after his announcement because he wasn’t going to their team (Knicks). It was also a smokescreen to use kids to deflect the hate.
"Lord, beer me strength."
It wasn't that much money
Some scholarships form the University of Phoenix (lol) and a small percentage of the money made from the show went to the boys and girls club.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Jul 13, 2010 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
I get the LeBron hate but it's not justified.
LeBron didn’t invent free agency and just because he’s from the area doesn’t mean Cleveland owns him. He’s guilty of leaving ungracefully but little else. The hate is because he’s a big loss and the losers gotta vent.
by DeathValleyCarl on Jul 13, 2010 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
We're losers?
I don’t give a [site decorum] about Cleveland (I don’t like them after reading how the Browns pounded on the 49ers way back in the 50s).
Most people on here just don’t like jerks like LeBron.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Jul 13, 2010 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Ditto.
I don’t care about Cleveland. Do I feel for their fans? Yeah, having your heart broken on national TV by a local boy has to hurt especially when you haven’t experienced championship glory in 40+ years.
Am I a Cavs fan? No. I just think LeBron left in the most classless way possible (minus like spitting on a kid) and that the way he orchestrated this mess undermines the entire NBA.
"Lord, beer me strength."
That punk tried to steal a kiss from Ashanti at the Nickelodeon Kids' Choice Awards before he played in the league
That’s where my hate started from. But in all seriousness, it really just comes down to the fact that he made a several month-long spectacle out of the whole thing. I’m sure he donates a lot of his own time and money to charity besides money from “The Decision” extravaganza, but he built this entire wedding altar just so he could ditch the bride in front of all the guests rather than breaking it off sooner and saving face.
Coach Boone: And who's team is this, Gary? Is this your team? Or is this your daddy's team?
Bertier: Yours.
Coach Boone: Now get on the bus. Put on your jacket first and then get on the bus.
lmao
Why does everyone ignore the fact that he raised a lot of money for the Boys and Girls club?
Did you seriously fall for this?
It was so obviously scripted and awkward.
lol at you because you think he gave them “millions of dollars” it was only a couple thousand.
He’s a self-proclaimed “King” NIKE didn’t give him that title.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Jul 13, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Agreed
That whole Boys and Girls club ploy was just a cover for his own narcissism.
Don't trust this guy. He lies.
Yup.
It was completely transparent. You can imagine Lebron and his team of apparently moronic advisers sitting around a table and trying to come up w/ ways to soften the blow of Lebron’s departure from Cleveland and the egotistical means by which he was announcing it. Suddenly, someone says, “Hey, I know, why don’t we donate the proceeds from ‘The Decision’ to the Boys and Girls Club? That way, we can say and do whatever we want but still come off smelling like roses because, hey, we’re being so generous and charitable to the less fortunate. Gee, we really are a bunch of unselfish, caring people aren’t we?”
It’s UTTERLY TRANSPARENT. In terms of public relations and image management, Lebron’s team failed miserably and should all be looking for jobs. Machiavellian geniuses they most certainly are not. Tools.
"The principle is competing against yourself. It's about self improvement, about being better than you were the day before." ~Steve Young #8
by Young_To_Rice on Jul 13, 2010 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
"Hey Boys and Girls.."
“This is how you screw over somebody”.
Well, we're waiting....
(for David Carr)
Nike.
When a company like Nike creates an ad campaign centered around a superstar athlete, the idea for the campaign is pitched to the athlete and his advisers prior to its implementation. The athlete has the final say in whether or not the ad campaign, in ALL its manifestations, is used. If he doesn’t like the ideas or images behind the ads, then he rejects the campaign or simply walks away. To say that Lebron is not responsible for the creation of his savior image is naive and laughable. It was the classic case of getting more than he bargained for and paying the price in terms of criticism. Lebron’s ego is his own worst enemy.
"The principle is competing against yourself. It's about self improvement, about being better than you were the day before." ~Steve Young #8
by Young_To_Rice on Jul 13, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
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