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What is/was Adam Snyder's Problem at RT?


Hey guys, a quick one from me today.  No time for vast research, spell checking, editing, etc!

Just wanted to throw something out there.  Barrows had a piece on whether to throw the rookie OL's out there right away or ease them in here and there until later in the season.  That got me thinking of the chances that Adam Snyder starting week 1 and possibly beyond. 

Then I started thinking, how much of a liability will Snyder be (if any) over Anthony Davis?  He wont be as affected by crowd noise, knows the offense better, and can read a defense better than Davis...but he still didn't fare well last year playing RT in the NFL.  After the jump, the big question.

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So for everyone who's re-watched a lot of games last year, or paid particular attention to Snyder perhaps...the question is: What was Snyder's problem that caused him to be so bad at Right Tackle?

Is he slow?  Unathletic?  Poor technique?  Weak?  How did he usually get beat (besides just "every which way!" which incidentally is also true)?

I'm hoping for someone to give us some insight along the lines of what we hear on scouting reports where they talk about kick slides and punch, recovery, drive blocking, trapping...specifics about Snyder that he wasn't good at or left him vulnerable.

Part two of the question is that if we have to be optimistic about Snyder for a week or eight this year...what can he work on that will help him play better?  Also, should we expect some improvement from him being that it's his second year starting (if in fact he does see a lot of 1st team reps in camp, preseason)?  Was a lot of the problem last year just lack of experience or something else that could be better this year?

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What's your outlook on Adam Snyder as a right tackle?
He's horrible, he'll always be horrible.
24 votes
He's slow developing but could be serviceable starter one day
50 votes
He's hit his ceiling, which incidentally is really LOW
69 votes
He's a product of XYZ and will become good to great one day
14 votes

157 votes | Poll has closed

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I'm remotely concerned

about the quality of the RT play this year, at least early-on, because we’ll either be utilizing the oft-abused Adam Snyder, or the ill-experienced Anthony Davis.

However, having said that, I do expect Snyder to be better than last year. Solari, another year, another camp, same system, competition…so my hope is that he’s not awful the first few games and that Davis eats 3 playbooks a day and watches film in his sleep.

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by Tre9er on Jul 2, 2010 9:27 AM PDT reply actions  

Don't know why this is a question.

Davis starts Week 1. Let him take his lumps early and learns. He won’t learn anything useful by sitting on the bench and not getting the on the field expierence.

Davis is physically gifted and has oodles of potential. You don’t let that go to waste sitting on the bench because of Snyder, who’s awful.

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by Hoopers Judge on Jul 2, 2010 10:12 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Tend to agree

with this because Davis is a 1st rounder. If he wasn’t, I’d say there is some debate to be had. But since he is, I doubt they’re gonna drop major coin on him to let him sit and watch a mediocre RT.

They might not throw him in at starter right away, but my best guess is that by mid-season (at latest) he’s the starter unless he proves himself unworthy.

by StereoPete on Jul 2, 2010 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

well that's kinda what I said

was week 1 up until possibly mid-season Snyder could be the starter…hence we will have to ask these questions for at least those games.

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by Tre9er on Jul 2, 2010 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Especially

because he’s a 1st rounder.
I know all the talk about you earn your playing time no matter where you’re drafted but he’s the 11 overall pick and you don’t sit him on the bench without having a STUD in front of him.

by crumpedup15 on Jul 3, 2010 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yup

all Davis has to do is perform at the same level as Adam Snyder and he’s got the starting job for this season.

Logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority

by smileyman on Jul 3, 2010 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

That shouldn't be too hard.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on Jul 5, 2010 1:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Which is why..

Snyder is trying to show he can play both intererior positions (OG/OC) at least as well as to be a backup. Snyder over Davis? Nahh..Snyder over Wallace and perhaps Baas? That’s possible.

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jul 5, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Starting a young rookie weeks 1 and 2

In Seattle for week 1 and on Monday night against the defending champs to start a career is a recipe for disaster if he’s not ready. Seattle has no pass rush, so I wouldn’t mind Snyder starting that game, and against NO, I think he’d be servicable. Unless Davis really shines and can show with simulated noise that he isn’t going to screw up, I wouldn’t start him week 1 despite the fact that Snyder would be the guy.

by 9thevolution on Jul 9, 2010 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Snyder can't hold leverage and his knees fail him

Coach Boone: And who's team is this, Gary? Is this your team? Or is this your daddy's team?
Bertier: Yours.
Coach Boone: Now get on the bus. Put on your jacket first and then get on the bus.

by Amigo on Jul 2, 2010 10:40 AM PDT reply actions  

Why is Snyder better at LT than RT?

I can only assume he gets overpowered by the LDE of the opposing team, since they are usually slower than the RDE.

Coach Boone: And who's team is this, Gary? Is this your team? Or is this your daddy's team?
Bertier: Yours.
Coach Boone: Now get on the bus. Put on your jacket first and then get on the bus.

by Amigo on Jul 2, 2010 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't say that Snyder is better at LT than RT

I don’t recall him ever playing LT, or if he did it was only for a few plays or series. The dude is built to be an interior lineman.

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by smileyman on Jul 2, 2010 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can't see Snyder starting week 1

We drafted Davis high for a reason.

Plus i’ve long been convinced that Snyder is built to be an interior lineman in the NFL, not a tackle. He’s too slow and his feet aren’t good enough for him to play at the tackle spot. The only reason he was there was because of the injury to Tony Pashos.

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by smileyman on Jul 2, 2010 10:40 AM PDT reply actions  

The Real question is.....

Do you put Snyder in there to start the season, when you know that he will surrender sacks and not give you good run blocking.

Or do you put Davis is there as a rookie, knowing that he will make mistakes, surrender sacks and struggle early on, but unlike Snyder who will never get better, Davis will get better with practice.

If we had a really good RT to start until Davis got up to speed, I could see this as a viable argument. But since you get the same out of either guy, but Davis will improve with time, then you go with Davis.

by ericalancanty on Jul 2, 2010 10:52 AM PDT reply actions  

You probably give Davis most of the Pre-season reps

and then rotate him in over the first few regular season games.

by StereoPete on Jul 2, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think this ^

it’s a competition. You work Davis in as you can unless Snyder is just awful, in which case Davis get’s his shot (even if it seems like he isn’t ready cause he can likely do better than “awful”)

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by Tre9er on Jul 2, 2010 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

If we had a really good RT to start until Davis got up to speed,

if we had a really good RT we wouldn’t have drafted Davis in the first place

Dashon, Mays, and Bamm Bamm will get the record for most decapitations in one season

by MichaelClutchtree on Jul 2, 2010 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Unless that really good RT was really old or something.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on Jul 3, 2010 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

The problem is

hes not a tackle, hes a guard, theyre different animals. Guards are powerful guys built to push people forward, where as a good tackle is quicker and can protect the edge. He was fine in run blocking, but he didnt have the speed on the edge. Snyder isnt bad, he just isnt a tackle. Davis needs to start this season to develop his skills and become a good tackle.

by 49ersfanConner on Jul 2, 2010 11:10 AM PDT reply actions  

I'm just really curious

what if Davis is jumping off-sides once a series? What if he’s getting whipped, dog tired, every series? Just rookie stuff. That kinda play would be just as bad as a guy who has experience but just isn’t very good…so it’s going to be interesting to see which one gets the starts if they are both bad, albeit in different ways.

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by Tre9er on Jul 2, 2010 2:11 PM PDT reply actions  

You don't start Davis because his better then Snyder.

You start him to get experience, so he eventually becomes a better Tackle; even if he starts out worse then Snyder (which i just don’t see happening).

What should happen is Snyder gets a shot at getting the starting RG spot. Not that i think Chilo is bad, but that having a vetern like Snyder playing next to Davis might be a better idea then Chilo who’s wildly inconsistent.

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by Hoopers Judge on Jul 2, 2010 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also

If Snyder still isn’t cutting it and Davis isn’t ready yet…maybe this opens the door for fan-favorite Alex Boone? Seems like Boone has the tools, just hasn’t proved anything yet. If the team is desperate for a week 1 starter by mid-camp due to Davis not being ready and Snyder showing he just can’t cut it…I wouldn’t be surprised to see Boone get 1st team snaps at RT. Sometimes guys shine when they are forced into the lineup (see Sims, Barry)

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by Tre9er on Jul 2, 2010 2:13 PM PDT reply actions  

I think its more likely

Barry Sims gets the start than Boone, sure he played LT last year but I think hes pretty versatile.

by 49ersfanConner on Jul 2, 2010 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm 100% on Davis' support wagon but it really isn't looking like he can play RT

I know the guys haven’t even put on pads yet but I believe what’s best for the team is for Davis to play LT and Staley to go back to RT. Unless the 49er’s are only playing Anthony at RT as of now to save money for the inevitable signing, I’m just a fan that yearns for instant gratification even when dealing with a 20 year old rookie I just want what’s to get everything we can from our OL this year.

1. Pat Devlin QB 2. Jack Crawford DE/OLB 3. Kendric Burney CB 4. DeAndre Brown WR 5. John Estes C 6. Chris Hairston OT 7. Stephfon Green RB 7. Julian Posey CB

by supraman on Jul 2, 2010 3:42 PM PDT reply actions  

Just realizing this comment was almost completely irrelevant to the FanPost.

1. Pat Devlin QB 2. Jack Crawford DE/OLB 3. Kendric Burney CB 4. DeAndre Brown WR 5. John Estes C 6. Chris Hairston OT 7. Stephfon Green RB 7. Julian Posey CB

by supraman on Jul 2, 2010 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

My option wasn't on there

which is what smiley alluded to. .Snyder can be a good interior lineman but he’s only barely passable at tackle. He was fill in last year and a bad choice at fill in. Davis is the nominal starter next year in preseason and unless he is a total turd at it he’s the starter in preseason. Snyder will be backing up at G & C and be an option at Twith more probably Simms pencilled in as helping at both T spots with Snder as an option as well.

I’d recommend adding an option that says Snyder will be playing backup at Guard and Center

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jul 2, 2010 4:01 PM PDT reply actions  

Lots of points here

OK, where to begin?
1. Snyder’s problem at RT, as others have pointed out, is that he is a guard. He is slow, his feet are slower, he can’t handle speed rushers and has trouble with the better bull rushers in space. He is not a LT, and never has been.
2. Davis was drafted for his athleticism and potential. He was not in shape when he reported to OTAs and is leaning how to get in pro shape now. He has a world of potential but is still only 20 and we don’t know how mature. I think he may need a lot more than parts of 4 practice games pre-season to be ready.
3. Sims is a lousy RT, as he has demonstrated in the past. Being OK at LT does not guarantee that you will be OK at RT (and vice versa).
4. Sims is not a lock to make the team this year; that depends a lot on Alex Boone and how far he has progressed after a year on the PS with full access to the playbook and his improved conditioning and work ethic.
5. Alex Boone was thought to be 1st-2nd round talent at LT in college before he screwed up. If he really has that level of talent and enough speed for the NFL, he could become that interim starting RT while Davis learns the professional game. As 1st round picks, Davis and Staley will be the starters of the future barring injuries or ineptitude, but if Boone has his head on straight he could have a great 10-15 year career as a backup tackle/guard on the 49ers, or as a starting tackle somewhere else.
6. ABIOF

by seafood lover on Jul 2, 2010 4:29 PM PDT reply actions  

Along some of the lines you're saying seafood,

maybe the Niners should be showcasing Boone. If Davis isn’t ready to start Week 1 at RT, then Boone can get a few good games in and become a nice trading piece for a Tackle hungry team.

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by Hoopers Judge on Jul 2, 2010 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

You're too kind.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on Jul 3, 2010 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think that many of you think that the decision as to whether or not to start Davis is an easy one...

It is NOT. In the immortal words of former Philadelphia Phillies manager Danny Ozark (yeah, yeah, I know that was baseball and we’re talking football, but it applies), “half this game is 90% mental”.

The athletic scrap heap is replete with “busts”, many of whom were young men with outstanding ability who were simply thrust into the limelight, into a situation that they were not yet physically and/or “preparationally” (I think that I just made up a new word) ready to handle, and they didn’t have the inner strength and coping skills to deal with failures. Many of these kids have never had adversity in their athletic careers, they’ve always been the “top dog”, pampared and idolized and consistently “the king of the hill”. If they are stuck into the battle too early, and experience severe difficulties, some will never recover the confidence lost during that time frame.

None of us know these young men, we only know what we read and what we see on videos. We don’t know what’s in their hearts and soles. Only their coaches and teammates, those who are with them every day, who go into combat with them, know what they are made of internally. Thankfully, Coach Singletary’s strength is in motivation and the psychological side of the athletes, so I trust him and his staff, much more than I trust myself or any of you, to make these decisions.

After all was said and done, a lot more got said than done.

by OldJock on Jul 2, 2010 10:53 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Davis plays a different position,

but I seem to remember Alex Smith was put in as a rookie at a very young age (barely 21). Probably before he was anywhere close to being ready, and needless to say that decision didn’t work out very well. All you need to look at is 1 touchdown and 11 intercedptions. Don’t forget about that odd fumbling problem. Not only did the team continue to tank, but his confidence was hurt.

Case and point. Davis is even younger than Smith was and the 49ers are considering starting him in his first NFL game? I think that’s downright outrageous. Imagine Davis stepping in a wide-eyed rookie against players larger than most he faced in college in one of the most hostile enviornments in the NFL. It’s probably not a recipe for success. It could be detrimental if he plays awful in his first game and his confidence starts to deteriote this early in his career.

I say start Synder for the first four or five weeks, then evaluate Davis’ grasp of the NFL. If he’s not ready by then, keep evaluating him week after week until they see he is ready to have his first NFL start.

by SnakesOnAPlane on Jul 3, 2010 1:13 AM PDT reply actions  

QB and RT are indeed different positions

Quite different.

But if my memory serves me right, Alex Smith was put in the lineup during the season, no? He played only mop-up roles until midway into the season. I wasn’t following training camps so closely back then, but I would assume that it meant the starting QB got most of the TC reps and preparations.

That would not be the case with Davis this year, who appears to be getting time with the first stringers as well. Plus, it doesn’t hurt that a RT has FAR less responsibility than a QB…but yes, the 49ers should be careful not to put in players who are not mature/ready enough for it.

But Singletary seems to be a good judge of character/maturity, and I really doubt he’s going to force Davis in if the 20 year old isn’t ready.

by brundylop on Jul 3, 2010 6:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

So who would be worse in week 1?

Snyder or Davis?

Is Davis’ inexperience so significant that it will cause him to play worse than Sndyer?

If not, then it makes no sense whatsoever to put Davis on the bench.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on Jul 3, 2010 10:10 AM PDT reply actions  

Staley did just fine @RT as a rookie, I think Davis can be as good this year.

Can be, anyway. If he puts the work in and pays attention to what is taught to him.

by remembertheCATCH on Jul 3, 2010 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Staley wasn't 20 years old when he was a rookie (he was like 24 or something)

He was a lot more polished.

But you’re right, if he works hard enough there is no reason why he can’t be successful.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on Jul 3, 2010 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

The problem w/Snyder

is that he is better suited to play Guard. His reaction skills and athletic ability are exposed at the end but inside he is able to use his size and strength to his benefit.

by remembertheCATCH on Jul 3, 2010 3:23 PM PDT reply actions  

Since I was hasty to reply.......

I posted before I read the other comments, and now see that others agree with me.

by remembertheCATCH on Jul 3, 2010 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm sure it's been said above (dont have enough time to read them all) but...

Adam Snyder will be moved to guard more than likely (which he CAN play better at). We could see him as the starting RG on opening day against Seattle

"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.

by Drew Kerr on Jul 6, 2010 4:13 PM PDT reply actions  

I echo your subject line there, Drew

I always skip to the last comment after reading the first 3-4 comments.

Anyway, I’ve always liked the idea of an open competition when dealing with a position that 1) needs help in, and 2) doesn’t have a sure-fire #1 starter available.

I’d be in favor of trying out the 1st rd. pick and Snyder, at the starting position, all the way until the regular season starts. I think that’s fair.

by Waiting4JoshMorgan on Jul 7, 2010 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

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