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The Impact of 1st-Round Offensive Linemen: II. A World of Difference

READER ADVISORY: Explicit statistical content.


On Monday, in Part 1 of this series, I outlined the recent NFL history of drafting OLs in the 1st round. In a very superficial way, I also provided some crude statistical expectations for both the 49ers' and their new OLs performance over the next few years. The bottom line was that Anthony Davis and Mike Iupati will probably end up being pretty good players, but that probably won't translate into much-desired team success until 2011 or 2012.

Today, I'm going to get a bit more abstract, and try to show this seeming paradox in more statistically sophisticated detail.

WHAT-WORLD VS. WHY WORLD

I've been plodding away at this whole NFL statistics thing for about 5 years now, and to say that the field remains in its infancy is a mild understatement. What I've noticed most of all is that much of what has passed for NFL statistical analysis -- including many of the things I've posted here on Niners Nation -- are really just descriptions of what has occured or descriptions of what is going to occur based on what has occured. In other words, there's a lot of focus on the "what" of things.

The most egregious example of this what-focus has to be the inanity of stats like "The 49ers are 18-2 when Frank Gore has 20 or more carries in a game." As Football Outsiders showed a long time ago, 20 is not some magic number that draws the win fairies from their hiding places to bestow a win upon the eagerly awaiting 49ers. Why is this so inane? Well, it's because it doesn't answer the "why?" question at all. Namely, why does 20 carries influence winning? As Football Outsiders showed way back in their infancy, the answer to that question leads to the perfectly circular statement, "The 49ers win more when Frank Gore has 20 or more carries in a game because Frank Gore has more carries when the 49ers are winning." Stated differently, an analysis that initially evokes statistical wonderment in Whatworld quickly evokes laughter in Whyworld.

After the jump, we take a slow boat to Whyworld...

Star-divide

In contrast to the barren wastelands in What-World, there are certain bastions of good statistics that we'll call the United Sites of Why-World. One state capital in Why-World is, of course, Football outsiders. Another is the one-man-gang over at Advanced NFL Stats. In both of these capitals, the focus on "why?" is a direct outgrowth of their reliance on theories of NFL football rather than observations of NFL football patterns. The distinction I'm trying to draw here is between deductive (aka top-down) research vs. inductive (aka bottom-up) research.

Basically, in science, you can either use a general theory of something to explain/predict a specific (type of) event or you can use specific (types of) events to develop a general theory of something. The latter is part of Whatworld, whereas the former is part of Whyworld. In other words, theories tell you why what you're trying to explain/predict has happened/will happen, whereas observations only tell you what happened, and it's up to you to detect the pattern of happenings.

In the case of Football Outsiders, their DVOA statistic is based on first down probability theory (From Palmer, Carroll, and Thorn's The Hidden Game of Football, 1988), which says that, because NFL rules award a first down for every 10 yards gained from the 1st-down spot, successful plays are defined as those that make a 1st down more likely, i.e., those that gain a larger percentage of yards remaining for a 1st down. Therefore, better teams are more likely to have a larger percentage of successful plays; and that explains why better teams win more often. In other words, the answer to, "Why did/will Team X beat Team Y?" is, "because Team X had/will have a higher play success rate." This basis in a time-tested theory of football is the reason why DVOA predicts wins so well.

Similarly, in the case of Advanced NFL Stats, Brian Burke's EPA statistic is based on point expectancy theory (originally by Virgil Carter, but adapted in The Hidden Game of Football), which says that, because NFL rules award 6 points for crossing the opponent's goalline while in possession of the ball, offenses can be expected to score more points the closer they get to said goalline. Therefore, each play's value is proportional to the amount that it increases the team's expected points. Add to the mix this other NFL rule about winning being the result of scoring more points than your opponents, and you end up with the idea that better teams win more often because more of their plays add to their expected point totals. Hence, Expected Points Added (aka EPA). So, the answer to, "Why did/will Team X beat Team Y?" is "because Team X's plays added/will add more to their expected point total." Again, a theory-based journey into Whyworld is the reason why EPA and is so good at predicting wins.

Keep in mind, all of this is just an illustrative way of saying that, if we're going to predict something using NFL stats, we better be prepared to explain why that predicted thing is going to happen; and starting from the viewpoint of a theory, rather than a series of observations, is a sure-fire way to have that explanation ready in advance.

BACK IN NINERSWORLD

Bringing this back to a discussion about the potential impact of the 49ers' two 1st-round OLs, the point of the above journey into scientific methodology is to emphasize the importance of going beyond, "Will Davis and Iupati improve the 49ers' win total in 2010?" to "Will Davis and Iupati improve the 49ers' win total in 2010 because of insert theory-based statistical factor here." That's what I'll be spending the rest of this post trying to do.

In my mind, among the myriad of potential explanations for why Davis and Iupati might make the Niners better as a team in 2010, the only ones that involve a direct causal link between these 2 players and team performance are

  1. They're going to improve the Niners' run blocking.
  2. They're going to improve the Niners' pass protection.

To put these in the form of a larger theory, I'll refer back to a paragraph I wrote in Part 1 (my emphasis added):

...What happened to the Jets after drafting 2 OLs in the 1st round of the 2006 draft...? Well, both started in their rookie season, and had an immediate "impact." Their pass protection improved considerably (-3.7%), which presumably led to a massive  improvement in pass OFF efficiency (+47.1%), which presumably led to a 6-win improvement and a playoff berth...So, if there's a poster child for the theory adopted in Santa Clara this past Spring, it's those 2006 Jets...

In a general sense, what I was hinting at there was that, back in April, the front office was operating under the theory that picking an OL in the 1st round leads to better blocking, which leads to better OFF, which leads to more wins. Therefore, if you're going to try to make the theoretical case -- and theory is really all we have right now given the uncertainty ahead -- that drafting Davis and Iupati is going to lead to more wins in 2010 (and/or beyond), then you have to answer the "why?" question. In this post, I'm answering it with, "because they're going to make the blocking better, thereby making the OFF better; and better OFF means more wins." Here's the theory in picture form:

Ol_path_model_--_generic_medium

In this picture, the arrows mean "causes" and the plus signs -- shockingly -- mean "positive change." So, just to repeat for the sake of clarity, the general theory we're discussing here is that drafting 1st-round OLs causes positive change in blocking, which causes positive change in OFF, which causes positive change in wins.

MEANWHILE, OVER IN STATS-WORLD

Just in case you forgot, one more time...READER ADVISORY: Explicit statistical content.

Of course, without knowing it, what we've really done here is engaged in the statistical art of theory-based model-building. In this case, our model is predicting win change from drafting OLs in the 1st round. Model-building is at the heart of statistical prediction for phenomena ranging from elections to NFL game results. And forming the basis of most prediction models is regression analysis.

Those of you who are mildly familar with statistics (or have followed my posts on Niners Nation; I've used it in previous posts) will know what regression analysis is. If you don't (or haven't), see here for a wiki-explanation. Basically, all prediction models seek to predict an outcome from a set of variables that theoretically impact that outcome; and the vast majority of the time, the mathematical heavy-lifting is done via a regression analysis of some kind because that's exactly what regression analysis are meant for.

One problem with simple regression analysis, however, is that it has a hard time dealing with complex phenomena that involve multiple things causing other multiple things at the same time or that involve long chains of one thing predicting another that predicts another that predicts another, and so on. In other words, if I want to predict Y from A, B, C, and D, simple regression works great. However, if, on the other hand, I want to predict Y from A, but A predicts B, B predicts C, C predicts D, and A also predicts D, things get, shall we say, very messy.

In the context of my theory-based model above, it should be apparent that it's an example of the latter, messy case, rather than the former neat one. It doesn't say that more wins is predicted separately by picking good 1st-round OLs, improvements in blocking, and improvemtns in OFF. Rather, it says that picking good 1st-round OLs predicts improvements in blocking, which then predicts improvements in OFF, which then predicts improvements more wins. So, clearly, simple linear regression isn't a viable tool here.

Luckily, statistical innovation over the past 30 years or so has produced a type of analysis that handles this situation swimmingly. It's called structural equation modelling (SEM) or path analysis. Without getting bogged down in details (see here for said details), its main advantage is to test theories of complex phenomena usually involving multiple chains of simultaneous predictions. In essence, rather than testing one prediction equation (as in simple regression), SEM tests multiple prediction equations simultaneously. Indeed, in the field of economics -- where this kind of thing has been used for decades -- SEM is referred to as simultaneous equations modelling.

BACK TO THE REAL WORLD

So I hope I've been clear enough so far in explaining what I'm trying to do here. If not, here's the bullet-point version:

  • It's not enough to just say that the addition of Davis and Iupati will mean more wins for the Niners in 2010. You have to go one step further and explain why. Because they're OLs, and the job of OLs are to run block and pass protect, the only logical answer to the "why?" question is that they're going to improve the Niners' blocking, thereby improving the offense; and that's why they're going to win more games. This was more than likely the theory that the 49ers' decision-makers were operating under when they chose Davis and Iupati in the first place.
  • To test such a complex theory, reliance on one simple regression model that treats OL talent, blocking, and offensive efficiency as separate predictors of winning doesn't work because having good OL talent doesn't directly lead to more wins. Rather, it leads to more wins indirectly through better blocking, and thereby better offensive efficiency. That's a much more accurate description of the theory we're trying to test. Therefore, given a test of multiple indirect theory-based predictions, SEM, not simple regression, is the approriate statistical technique to use.

Of course, another important aspect of model-building is what's called ecological validity, which basically means that the model needs to replicate the real world as much as possible. So, in addition to the model I illustrated earlier, we need to add several things that are operating in the real world of NFL football, but were absent earlier:

  1. As I mentioned in Part 1, the reality is that the earlier a team's pick in the 1st round, the better OL they're going to draft. In other words, pick number predicts 1st-round OL talent.
  2. Per NFL rules, the worse a team's record was the previous season, the higher their pick is in the following draft. So, previous year's win total predicts pick number.
  3. As of yet unmentioned, the reality of the NFL is that the more wins a team has one year, the fewer they have the next year. In other words, team wins exhibit regression to the mean from year to year -- pretty substantially so, actually. Therefore, previous year's win total predicts win change from one year to the next.
  4. Some OLs are better at pass protection, whereas others are better at run blocking. Similarly, some offense are better at passing, whereas others are better at running. In other words, passing and running are different animals in the real NFL world. Therefore, we should treat them differently when testing the theory by testing separate models. In other words, we'll test one model where the theory is that drafting 1st-round OLs indirectly predicts winning through improvements in pass protection and pass offense; and another where drafting 1st-round OLs indirectly predicts winning through improvements in run blocking and run offense.

Add these 4 things to the earlier model, and we arrive at a pretty comprehensive theory of how drafting OLs in the 1st round impacts win change:

 

Ol_path_model_--_pass_medium

This is the passing model. In the running model, ALY Change replaces ASR Change and Run OFF DVOA Change replaces Pass OFF DVOA Change. However, both models are based on the general theory that having a bad record means getting a better draft pick, which means drafting a better OL, which means better blocking, which means better OFF, which means more wins; with more wins also being directly influenced by the previous year's bad record. I think that's a pretty comprehensive theory-based model that resembles the real world reasonably well.

DESTINATION ANSWERSWORLD

I'm not going to bore you with any more details of statistical methodology. If you want to know more about how I got from the models above to the answers below, feel free to ask in the comments section. The important things to know are that, in SEM, what we want to find are (a) that the model fits the data well; and, if so, then (b) that the predictions in the model are statistically significant (i.e., not due to random chance). If the model fits the data well, it means the stats support the theory illustrated in the model. If it doesn't fit well, then the theory's not supported. If the theory's not supported, then we stop there. However, if the theory is supported, then we see whether the predictions in our theory held up against statistical scrutiny.

In total, I tested 6 models using data for teams who drafted 1st-round OLs who were full-time starters in a given year:

  1. Passing model for full-time starters in Year 1
  2. Running model for full-time starters in Year 1
  3. Passing model for full-time starters in Year 2
  4. Running model for full-time starters in Year 2
  5. Passing model for full-time starters in Year 3
  6. Running model for full-time starters in Year 3

First, here's what I found for the indirect impact of drafting 1st-round OLs on Year 1 win change:

  • The passing model does not fit the data well, so our/the 49ers' front office's theory was not supported.
  • The running model fit the data reasonably well, so the theory was somewhat supported. However, the only prediction that was not statistically significant was that drafting better 1st-round OLs leads to better run blocking.

And here's what I found for Year 2:

  • The passing model fits the data well, so the theory was supported. However, the only prediction that was not statistically significant was that drafting better 1st-round OLs predicts better pass protection.
  • The running model does not fit the data well, so the theory was not supported.

Finally, here's what I found for Year 3:

  • The passing model fits the data well, so the theory was supported. However, the only prediction that was not statistically significant was that drafting better 1st-round OLs predicts better pass protection.
  • The running model fits the data well, so the theory was supported. All predictions in the model were statistically significant.

So, to put this all together, here's how I'd summarize my findings. First, in 4 out of the 6 models, there was at least some support for the general theory that drafting a 1st-round OL indirectly increases wins, with more support in Years 2 and 3 than in Year 1. However, only win improvements in Year 3 were predicted by specifically drafting better OLs, and only with respect to run blocking. In other words, in all cases except running in Year 3, the long, winding road from drafting an OL in April to win totals in January stopped abruptly at "Better-OLs-Means-Better-Blocking Avenue." Or, going along with the theme of this post, "Drafting Davis and Iupati will make the 49ers win more in 2010," got lost on its way from Whatworld to Whyworld.

TWO DISCLAIMERS

Given that I used a statistical technique not many people know about, I've purposefully postponed details of both the methods and the actual statistical results for the comments section. However, 2 things I'll say up front are that (a) SEM usually requires larger sample sizes than the one I used here, and (b) the models I tested obviously did not exhausted the entire Whyworld of factors at work here. However, the fact that 4 of the 6 models fit well and almost all of the model predictions were statistically significant despite the small sample sizes is de facto evidence that the theory (and the analysis) was not wholesale bunk. As far as factors I didn't account for, we can discuss that in the comments section.

BOTTOM LINE

So, if you survived that, or if you've just skipped directly to this section, here are the takeaway messages of this post:

  • There's a descent amount of support for the general theory that drafting an OL in the 1st round indirectly leads to more wins through improved blocking and OFF. However, there's a slight problem. Only related to run blocking in Year 3 of the OL's career do improvements in blocking actually depend on the talent level of the OL himself.
  • So, relating this back to the Niners...their fortunes from 2010-2011 will likely depend on their blocking and offense, but that's statistically likely whether Davis and Iupati end up being great OLs, good OLs, or just-plain OK OLs. In 2012, though, how good they are is going to matter statistically for the 49ers' run offense.
  • I'm obviously a nerd with way too much time on my hands.

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I prefer the term Geek

Nerd implies social awkwardness, pants hitched up around your chest and an IQ in the 200s.

Geek implies someone with far too much knowledge of a particular subject. You have math geeks, history geeks, science geeks, even football geeks.

Logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority

by smileyman on Jul 21, 2010 5:45 PM PDT reply actions  

good point...

0 for 3 on this:

social awkwardness, pants hitched up around your chest and an IQ in the 200s

so guess that makes me a geek, not a nerd.

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Jul 21, 2010 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Epitomie of nerdness...

Electrical Engineer’s (EE’s) are Geeks, rest of us are Nerds.

Stupid college jokes, that you can’t forget because they are too stupid.

by Dave R. on Jul 22, 2010 6:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

First year improvement?

One of the top DE’s recently stated that it takes 3-5 years to learn OT, so he’s licking his chops with all these new linemen. Pass D against active DE’s takes a lot of training, much of it in the heat of battle, so the finding that first year improvements are dubious makes sense.

by BobE on Jul 21, 2010 5:53 PM PDT reply actions  

He's also completely wrong

It’s case by case. Pace was a pro bowler as a rook and Joe Thomas was an ALL PRO as a rook.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jul 21, 2010 7:14 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

also...

like i said in part 1, 57 of the 78 first-rounders were full-time starters in their rookie season. and, given the fact that part 1 also showed how safe of a bet 1st-round OLs are, that’s also indicative of the fact that OL is actually probably the most NFL-ready position to draft out of college (and the vast majority of the 1st-rounders were OTs, so it extrapolates).

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Jul 21, 2010 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hmmmm...

… So, relating this back to the Niners…their fortunes from 2010-2011 will likely depend on their blocking and offense, but that’s statistically likely whether Davis and Iupati end up being great OLs, good OLs, or just-plain OK OLs. In 2012, though, how good they are is going to matter statistically for the 49ers’ run offense…. so i’m think’n they need to block good …!!

Gotta love a woman that wear's knee pad's to work ...!!

by Edggy on Jul 21, 2010 6:24 PM PDT reply actions  

yes...

if they block good, then the niners will be better. i know, duh.

but the point is that that would be the case simply by virtue of drafting any OL in the 1st round. however, if we’re talking specfically about 2 OLs of davis and iupati’s expected quality, those 2 specifically blocking better in 2010-2011 won’t mean much. basically, what i’m saying here is that we might find in 2010 and 2011 that davis and iupati are real good blockers, but the offense as a whole won’t necessarily be better. in 2012, however, them being good blockers is going to start having a statistical impact on the run offense.

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Jul 21, 2010 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wonder if consistency comes into play here

Until they block consistently better, the play calling and protections will be setup expecting a worst case scenario. Lets say Davis can handle his side on an island 80% of the time, the rest he gets outplayed by a vet DE rookie learning curve. How often do you give him help? Or call for a play to roll the other way? Help means a back or VD hanging out, taking them out of the immediate play. Sure they can leak out and be an outlet if the primary options are not available, but that shortens the pattern they will be able to run.

by Dave R. on Jul 22, 2010 6:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Gotcha ...

… from all statistical element’s aside what’s your take on productivity from these two this year in making this a more productive offense…!!

Gotta love a woman that wear's knee pad's to work ...!!

by Edggy on Jul 22, 2010 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Failed model

This model clearly doesn’t take into account the fact that the world is going to end in 2012.

-b

by Bill Barnwell on Jul 21, 2010 6:35 PM PDT reply actions  

good point...

i’ll re-analyze with an adjusted win statistic for 2012. i’ll prorate expected win totals through doomsday, december 21, 2012, which i project to be right after week 15. or, i can just use FO’s model predictions for week 16 and week 17. or, even better yet, i can just create a model for predicting the end of the world as competition to the mayan theory that it will end on the aforementioned date.

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Jul 21, 2010 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

But that fails to realize ..

that by 2012 the blocking of the 9ers will be so good that they will be able to push back the end of the world for another 30 years. :-) Check your models again, I’m sure they will indicate this.

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jul 21, 2010 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

if jimmy raye is still around in 2012...

the play that postpones doomsday will be “frank gore up the middle.” book it!

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Jul 21, 2010 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

p.s.

thanks for the XP. friendly warning though, you might not like part 3. that’ll be where i tackle — pun intended — the effect of OL continuity that you guys mention in the niners’ FOA 2010 chapter.

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Jul 21, 2010 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can always delete the XP. :) In all seriousness, if good research forces us to revisit something we’ve found, it’s never a bad thing.

-b

by Bill Barnwell on Jul 22, 2010 7:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Here's something to statistically analyze

I read all of this and it’s great but it has absolutely no bearing on the Niners whatsoever. This is because there has never been a team with so much offensive talent and such an utterly abhorrent offensive line to pick 2 first round picks and address 2 of their 3 weakest positions. The Niners situation will end up being even more of a statistical outlier than the Jets. All the same great write-up. I nned to get back into heavy reading since I’m headed back to school for the first time in 9 years.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jul 21, 2010 7:19 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

i agree...

that my analysis is more revelant for drafting 1 OL in the 1st round. and i agree that there’s a good chance the niners of 2010-2012 are a statistical outlier because of the 2 first-round OLs thing. however, gotta start somewhere. in 50 years, when the sample size is somewhere on the order of 10 in terms of teams that drafted two 1st-round OLs, i’ll be back here with an update post. :-)

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Jul 21, 2010 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

p.s. good luck...

i’ll be going back in 2011 after a 2-year hiatus…and that hiatus was after 6 years of graduate school that followed a previous 2-year hiatus. of course, not sure why i’m gonna go back being that, as mentioned above, the world is ending in 2012.

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Jul 21, 2010 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm trying to get my physics degree

So I can watch the end with the scientists in that Bud Light commercial. They know how to effing party.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jul 22, 2010 2:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

I tried to get all the way through this article, I really did. Unfortunately, I am of a lesser intellect.

Sincerely,

by Andrew Davidson on Jul 21, 2010 7:41 PM PDT reply actions  

other positions?

awesome post. I wonder if it would be convenient to run a similar SEM analysis on other positions? Especially DE and WR (QBs are discussed to death….)

Also, really looking forward to your post on o-line continuity. That’s one of FO’s measures that always felt like causation/correlation convolution.

by jimbohead on Jul 21, 2010 7:42 PM PDT reply actions  

yeah...

could do this with any position really, except that there aren’t really that many good stats out there to measure individual team units the way that ASR and ALY measure the OL as a unit…that’s overwhelmingly the case on defense as well, obviously. regardless, aside from a lack of good measures, not all positions demonstrate the same negative linear relationship between pick number and approximate value. for instance, as i showed in a draft-time post some back in april, approximate value over all positions decreases logarithmically in round 1.

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Jul 21, 2010 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Regression to the mean

Also, how did you handle regression to the mean? Did you just use the non-o-line drafting teams as a control?

by jimbohead on Jul 21, 2010 7:43 PM PDT reply actions  

essentially...

by including previous year wins as a predictor of win change, i controlled for any regression to the mean in team wins from one year to the next. so, for example, the effects of pass OFF DVOA improvement on win improvement in models 3 and 5 were effects above and beyond the effect of wins naturally regressing to the mean.

and since you brought it up, the correlation between, for example, wins in year 0 and win change from year 0 to year 1, was .681. pretty hefty evidence that the better a team is one year, the worse they’re going to be the next year.

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Jul 21, 2010 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

So what you're saying there is...

it’s good we’re making a slow progressive movement in our progress as a team last year huh? takes a deep breath and puts more duct tape on my head to make sure I don’t suffer the same fate as Andrew.

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jul 21, 2010 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

well, actually...

what i’m saying is that it’s much more likely a 6-win team turns into a 10-win team or a 10-win team turns into a 6-win team than that an 8-win team turns into a 10-win team or better. at 8-8, 7-9, what have you, the overarching NFL trend is that you pretty much stay where you are.

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Jul 21, 2010 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

that's why we constantly see...

“out of nowhere” teams every year, and such huge turnover in playoff participation from year to year (about 6 new playoff teams each year).

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Jul 21, 2010 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ugh...then

And we were 7-9 then 8-8 so oh well..maybe we can make it to 10 if we do I’ll be more than happy. (a bit of a lie there because I really want to see “my guys” in the playoffs)

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jul 21, 2010 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

10 would make the playoffs...

and going from 8 to 10 wouldn’t be some kind of “drafting 2 OLs in the same 1st round” rare event. keep the faith.

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Jul 21, 2010 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

The thing is...

I believe our 8 win team was very close to being a 10-11 win team but we narrowly missed in several games and all the gains at our weakest positions will vault us up.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jul 22, 2010 2:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

I always love your posts Danny.

So quality of OL picked, as measured by where they are picked does not affect blocking except for run blocking for those OL that are starting in their 3rd year. It seems to me that the only portion of the model which is unproven is that better OL players block better, or perhaps better stated OL players drafted earlier block better than OL players drafted later. This doesn’t do anything to disprove what I feel is the important part of the model. Which is that drafting OL in the first round increases wins. Please let me know If I am reading this wrong.

I would be interested to see a graph plotting the level of success OL have based on their pick number past the first round. Something just like your graph in part one, but including the later rounds. I know its not what you’re trying to prove here, but if you would like to prove that the quality of the player affects run and pass blocking wouldn’t it be easier to use data from later round picks as well. That would change the question from does drafting OL in the first round lead to more wins, to does drafting OL that start in their first 3 years lead to more wins. It seems like it should clear up the statistical problem with quality of player. I’m by no means versed in statistics though.

by Gmcgee on Jul 21, 2010 7:54 PM PDT reply actions  

well...

i think the right way to restate this

It seems to me that the only portion of the model which is unproven is that better OL players block better, or perhaps better stated OL players drafted earlier block better than OL players drafted later.

is to separate the OL from the team.

in terms of the OL himself, yes, OL drafted earlier do block better. that’s based on what i found in part 1 about the clear negative linear relationship between pick number and approximate value per season. if we take approximate value, which incorporates bonuses for all-pro selections, pro-bowl selections, and games started, and assume that you have to be a good blocker to make an all-pro team or be a full-time starter, then earlier pick = better blocker (via better blocker = pro bowl/all-pro/full-time starter).

what the model shows as being unproven (except for run offense in year 3) is that blocking by the lower pick/better OL = better blocking stats for his team’s OL unit.

and that’s kind of the thing connecting parts 1 and 2 of these posts. namely, that we can expect davis and iupati to be good players (read: blockers), but that won’t necessarily have a direct impact on making the 49ers a better team until 2012.

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Jul 21, 2010 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can we do this with defensive line stats?

That would be an interesting comparison to see if drafting defensive line in the first round or offensive line is more impactful.

Logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority

by smileyman on Jul 21, 2010 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

theoretically...

i suppose, yeah, given there’s defensive ASR and ALY. however, as FO makes clear, and as is the reason for the way i present those stats during the season, defensive ASR and ALY are really stats for the defensive front 7 than for the DL, per se. in that sense, it’d be difficult to separate out the effects of drafting LBs vs. DLs. of course, they also have measures of DL play through their game-charting project that would get around this problem with ASR and ALY.

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Jul 21, 2010 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

WOW

I think the exploding head sums this up real well – should have paid more attention in stats class…Bottom line, Davis and Iupati will feast on D lineman – I can hear the dinner bell now.

by Dave_K on Jul 21, 2010 8:27 PM PDT reply actions  

yeah...

this wasn’t for the faint of heart…or head for that matter.

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Jul 21, 2010 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

thanks

after this one, part 3 will seem like kindergarten.

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Jul 21, 2010 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

(Raises hand)

Does kindergarten have nap time?

by ZeroOneInfinity on Jul 21, 2010 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

With 22 positions on the field its hard to

isolate which position contributes most to the wins. I’m going to use flat out logic and say 2 OL’s picked from the best OL’s available will improve our chances of winning by default. The reason why is because we still have the OL’s from last year and if the coaches are dedicated to the win, which we can reasonable predict they will be, they will put the best 11 guys on the field at all times. So if either one of these guys makes it on the field it means our chances improve by the amount of improvement they show over the guy they are replacing. If they don’t make it on the field it is likely the other guys are working harder because they don’t want to be replaced by a rookie.
My personal opinion is that Iupati is really going to improve the team starting this year and we will notice it, while Davis will be a solid improvement eventually when he catches up. I don’t know how long it will take him but there is alot for him to learn. Snyder hasn’t shown us alot so Davis might not have much trouble cracking the lineup. Either way there is way more depth to this line and the 49ers OL will definately improve.

by Pat Willie on Jul 21, 2010 10:54 PM PDT reply actions  

you make a good point...

but i’d just like to point out this flaw in your logic. can’t we also assume that, when the other 73 1st-round OLs started for their teams, their coaches were putting the best 11 guys out on the field? can’t we assume that they were all better than the OLs they were replacing? i think we can. if that’s the case, then my findings still hold. iupati and davis will likely be really good players, but that’s not likely to immediately show up in terms of overall team success (aka more wins in 2010). at least that’s what the last 16 years of NFL appears to be saying.

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Jul 21, 2010 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Another factor that can't be accounted for

Previously with the game on the line we couldn’t run to save our life and teams would just line up drooling to get after Alex. If we can run the ball in the 4th and the defense has to respect that what happens in 2 or 3 games that are close that we lost last year because Alex had to just toss the ball downfield on 3rd or 4th and long? Football has so many what if factors I don’t think it CAN be ever perfectly analyzed just by stats.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jul 22, 2010 2:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

The one missing factor is

sometimes teams wait until the last minute to upgrade their linemen. If you draft a first round rookie tackle to replace a retiring lineman you most likely not going to have an improved offense.Therefore we can’t assume in all other 73 cases that they were better than the OL they were replacing. Consider free agency as well. If a team loses a Lineman to free agency they might have to start an inferior Lineman. We have all the guys from last year minus Marvel smith who played one game plus two first round rookies. Of course we get better, you have to at least give the guys we have some credit for improving every year.

by Pat Willie on Jul 22, 2010 7:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

I appreciate the attempt Danny,

but it seems like the small sample size is crippling for now, which you clearly noted. Nevertheless, someone has to do the work and put something out there for discussion. Hats off to you for making the attempt, and great job explaining and linking where you are coming from as you develop the argument. I particularly liked the What/Why argument.

I agree with Pat Willie that Iupati is likely to be more solid from the get go than Davis, but, Davis is replacing a weaker player than Iupati is, so Davis might be more likely to have a greater positive effect, especially in short yardage situations, given that he is apparently quite good off the snap.

I was actually comfortable with Baas as the Left Guard for this season, but we definitely needed an upgrade at RT. I hope Davis will be ready in time.

Two more points about the OLine. Staley missed half the season and was recovering in his final couple games. Him being back should be a big improvement at Run Blocking from the LT position. Sims did okay, but was better at pass blocking than run.
Rachal seems to be improving (based on what I read). When you factor in the improvements at four of the five positions, and add Byham as a run blocking TE in doubles sets, I expect to see a drastic improvement in the Niners rushing game in short yardage situations.

I think this could have a big effect on the niners, because they were abysmal last year in short yardage, and effective short yardage plays usually result in first downs, which we didn’t have enough of last year. That rests the defense, and opens up play action, which Raye is not afraid of calling.

I’m optimistic for this season.

They're called RUNS for a reason.

by connie mack on Jul 22, 2010 8:41 AM PDT reply actions  

SEM

was on its way in when I was on my way out. I would actually like to hear a write up of how you factored the variables in your model.

Do simultaneous equations in these models actually attempt to capture the interaction dynamics themselves, or are they just simultaneous linear models?

I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT

by goatfather on Jul 22, 2010 10:31 AM PDT reply actions  

Thanks for all the work on these posts!

I’m a bit of a stat geek myself (with none of the training, experience, or time you have) and I find it intriguing. Too many variables on an NFL team to really figure the most predictive out, for sure.

I think, at the end of your post, there should be a very clear: " Yes, it improves run blocking which theoretically improves wins in year 3" or “No, it does not predict win %.”

You know…for us simple folk. :)

Good work.

by StereoPete on Jul 22, 2010 2:47 PM PDT reply actions  

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