Who Are The Ten Best 49ers?
I just saw this on a couple other blogs to pass the time during the offseason, so I figured I could take a crack at it. The idea just to give my own thoughts on who I think are the ten best 49ers overall. I don't know that it's exactly who contributes the most or if it's just how well they play their position, I'm just going to start naming players and that will be that.
Go ahead and post your own thoughts in the comments, should provide for some interesting discussion. I'm going to put up a poll as well, but I figured I wouldn't do it for "Best 49er" because I think we're all pretty much in agreement that it's Patrick Willis. But who is the second best 49er? I can think of at least three players who could get that 'title'.
Either way, make the jump to see what I have to say for my top ten. I'll also probably go through the comments and average it out to see what the collective top ten would be, so when you do make a list, please do a full ten, otherwise it might not be counted. Enjoy.
1. Patrick Willis, ILB Is there seriously any doubt to this one? Patrick Willis is arguably the best at his position in the NFL (most would say it's not even arguably at this point) and is still very young. He's still getting better. How scary of a thought is that? I think this spot isn't even arguable, you know?
2. Frank Gore, HB You know, it's hard to really gauge where exactly Frank Gore sits in comparison to the league's other running backs. It seems that he's either top five or top six, depending where one places Maurice Jones-Drew and DeAngelo Williams. I'd take Frank Gore over both of those guys any day. There's a reason Jimmy Raye said that it's all about #21 last year, and I bet he'll say it again this year.
3. Vernon Davis, TE The second player to vie for that second spot. Vernon Davis is the very definition of a complete tight end. What's important though, is the question of whether or not this past season was just a fluke. He tied the record for receiving touchdowns for tight ends, and I think with how he played you have to put him in the top five tight ends in the NFL.
4. Justin Smith, DE The third and final player whom I believe could be considered the second best player on the team, but he's barely nudged out by the other two. Smith is exactly what you want in a 3-4 end. The guy never stops playing. He's running after quarterbacks in his dreams. I bet Smith's foreplay consists of him executing some crazy spin moves from a three-point stance. Did you need that image? Yes. Yes you did.
5. Andy Lee, P Fooch didn't do this article because numbers 1-9 would be Andy Lee, with Patrick Willis at number 10. Still, Lee is arguably a top-two or three punter in the NFL and with good reason. He's got a leg that could put a ball through ten tree trunks, while still downing it inside the twenty after that.
6. Aubrayo Franklin, NT Let's hope we can still be saying this next year, yeah? I don't think it's terribly difficult to replace a nose tackle, but why give yourself the burden of trying to replace someone as good as Franklin? Once Singletary took over, Aubrayo seemed to "get it." He started playing great football and I personally feel he was snubbed from the pro bowl.
7. Michael Crabtree, WR I think I may be overrating him a little bit, but can you seriously argue against him? You probably could, but I'd wager it would be a losing argument. Crabtree has no training camp, no real definitive learning of the playbook, missed five weeks and still came in and contributed basically immediately. He caught a lot of passes and looked good doing it. Most people agree that Crabtree is on his way to a pro bowl.
8. Takeo Spikes, ILB He's an old vet, but he's a darn good one. Takeo does basically everything we ask of him, and does it well. People insist that he's not very fast, but I've never seen him get to the ball slowly, or get burned in coverage. He'll rush the passer, he'll stop the run, he'll cover a tight end. You could hand him the ball and I bet he'd do his best to try and run it for you. He gets excused from practices not just because he could use the rest in order to preserve his longevity, but because he has absolutely nothing left to learn. He is, in all essences, the perfect TED linebacker.
9. Dashon Goldson, FS I feel like this one will get criticized the most. I also feel like it be the most surprising to all of you because I'm such a supporter of Michael Lewis. I just think Goldson came on strong and can only improve. He's young, he's good - and he needs a contract asap.
10. Eric Heitmann, C I've preached this up and down and can only continue to do so. He's the team's most consistent offensive lineman, isn't really beaten often, is very smart and is basically mistake free. A great player, and has a solid three years left in him.
Honorable Mentions
Michael Robinson (one of the league's top special teamers), Michael Lewis (good soldier, does many things well), Shawntae Spencer (a bright spot on a disappointing CB position)
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I think Vernon Davis edges out Lee as their second best player because I think he’s the best TE in the league and Lee is the second best punter to Lechner. However, I think Justin Smith and Frank Gore are both more valuable to the team as far as wins and losses. Gore may even edge Willis if you look at it from the perspective of what player would it be most damaging to have out for one game because there’s such a drop off between Gore and whoever would replace him because none of the other backs on the 49er’s roster (and a very small number of backs in the league) can do everything Gore can do. It great how many starters the 49ers now have that are considered “Top 5” at their position or may be close to breaking into the top 5.
Also, are you sure that’s why TKO get’s excused from practice? I thought it was because they were trying to get the RBs and Guards through a full season.
I know what I'm talking about, I started at right guard for the 1992 College Park Falcons.
top10 49ers
1. Patrick Willis – best ilb in the game, unless you’re a ravens fan
2. Frank Gore – the offense goes through Gore
3. Justin Smith – the motor doesn’t stop
4. Andy Lee – A top 3 punter on mediocre special teams is great value
5. Vernon Davis – big fan but his hands still worry me.
6. Aubrayo Franklin – controlling the run starts here
7. Takeo Spikes – solid, consistent, high level play
8. Joe Staley – a trustworthy lineman on Smith’s blind side. Is this his pro-bowl year?
9. Michael Crabtree – I feel like I may be focused too much on upside, rather than production but he should begin to dominate this year or at least draw double coverage
10. Eric Heitmann – the other trustworthy o-lineman and plays smart
Honorable Mention: The entire defensive secondary, Josh Morgan (don’t count him out)
by asmithisaverage on Jul 23, 2010 7:47 AM PDT reply actions
Takeo Spikes is very solid
but I can’t give him honors as top 10.
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I beg to differ
I think he could be top 5 even.
by mr. instigator on Jul 23, 2010 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Who then?
If not Spikes then who takes his place? We got Spencer, Clements, and Alex Smith as the only options. Can you say they are better than Spikes?
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Gore
The offense runs through him.
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I hope next year’s list has Taylor Mays on it.
just sayin.
My somewhat ignorant list
- Patrick Willis
- Vernon Davis
- Frank Gore
- Justin Smith
- Andy Lee
- Aubrayo Franklin
- Eric Heitmann
- Michael Crabtree
- Takeo Spikes
- Joe Staley
HM: Spencer and Goldson
Joe Nedney?
Ned the leg deserve an honourable mention?
Also, have we ever done a top 10 of all time? We picked the all-time team, but not a top 10. This is a good format – all-time team means you cannot have Montana and Young, can’t have all three of Rice, Taylor, Owens, whatever. Not that I’m saying TO would be in my top 10. Kory Sheets would be though, and you had better believe that truth, Ruth.
LondonNiner - member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010.
All Time?
10. Terrell Owens
9. Roger Craig
8. Hugh McElhenny
7. Bob St. Claire
6. Bryant Young
5. Leo Nomellini
4. Steve Young
3. Ronnie Lott
2. Jerry Rice
1. Joe Montana
by mr. instigator on Jul 23, 2010 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
good mix!
i’d like to toss TO just for…well, we all know why.
harris barton or jesse sapolu
Thanks man!
I know many don’t like TO, but based on his play, the guy’s a shoo in HOF. He was electric and brought the spot light to the Niners. He helped us get through those rebuilding years in 1999 and 2000 to become a contender again. I’ll never forget the Catch II, and that comeback against the Giants where he tore it up.
by mr. instigator on Jul 23, 2010 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Twas a good list ...
… and thanks for replying with it. I’d like John Taylor for TO but that’s because I’m an 80s kind of a guy ;)
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by LondonNiner on Jul 23, 2010 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Tough list
It feels like Fred Dean or Charles Haley should be up there somewhere. I’m just not sure who would get dropped. TO might be a pain, but he had some amazing games and seasons. Roger Craig was special by all measures, but was he more special than Dean?
Roger vs. Fred
I think Roger gets the nod because he played more years for us and helped us win 3 SBs to Fred’s 2 SBs. I guess Roger was more of a game changer for longer and he really helped change the way the sport was played and the RB position utilized in particular.
by mr. instigator on Jul 23, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
When you look at the numbers
TO absolutely SMOKES JT, but JT had the game winning catch in the SB. I think JT is the perfect #2 receiver whereas TO is a prototypical #1.
Why would a #2 WR deserve to be on the all time top 10 list? That’s why I favor TO! GET YA POPCORN READY!
by mr. instigator on Jul 23, 2010 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
wait. what?
you’ve got Hugh McElhenny over Joe Perry on this list? That’s whack, yo.
I will gladly eat crow if Brandon Jones does well for the 49ers in 2010.
by Andrew Davidson on Jul 23, 2010 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
That's not whack, bro!
They’re both very similar in accolades, and they both probably deserve to be on the list. Come on, can’t knock The King!
by mr. instigator on Jul 23, 2010 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
sat sat saturday
Drew, looking forward to saturday… i guess they’ll put any scrub on a “top 10 list”. I didnt think the 49ers would fill the list.
This list is pretty much perfect.
I think TO deserves to be on this list….seriously he was a beast! I think either Barton or Sapolu coul be throw in thee too for sure though.
Y.A. Tittle probably deserves a slot on there too
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jul 23, 2010 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
That's true
Though I believe his best years were actually with NY, and we already have Steve and Joe, so I think it’s fair to leave him off.
by mr. instigator on Jul 23, 2010 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
goat
I love Joe cool, but Jerry rice is regarded as the goat…so he has to top my list
by texasniner06 on Jul 23, 2010 2:54 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
This is asking to get killed
It’s fortunate the 49ers have had more than 10 great players. Problem is when making a Top 10 list you’ll get your throat slit for leaving anyone out.
I can't believe that absolutely NOBODY mentioned Dave Wilcox for the Niners all-time top 10
After all was said and done, a lot more got said than done.
Or Jimmy Johnson, or...
After all was said and done, a lot more got said than done.
Kory Sheets was our 8th-best player
1. Patrick Willis
2. Justin Smith
3. Frank Gore
4. Nate Davis
5. Aubrayo Franklin
6. Eric Heitmann
7. Andy Lee
8. Takeo Spikes
9. Joe Staley
10. Michael Lewis
wow - Nate Davis is pretty high there
LondonNiner - member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010.
Is that suppose to be Nate Davis or Vernon Davis?
you have lost your marbles if you got Michael Lewis in your top 10. Well i guess it ur opinion right
Michael Lewis is arguably top ten, easily.
The guy plays very well.
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by James Brady on Jul 23, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Completely, totally disagree
82 tackles, 1 sack, 1 INT, 1 PD makes a guy a great player?
No wonder Goldson thinks he deserves top 5 safety money
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We're not exactly bursting with top tier talent.
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by James Brady on Jul 23, 2010 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Not to mention.. where did I call him a great player?
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by James Brady on Jul 23, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Michael Lewis is arguably top ten, easily.
If he’s not a great player then why is he easily top 10 on the 49ers?
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Because the 49ers don't have very many great players.
A lot of young players with potential, sure. But you’re fooling yourself if you’re thinking that everyone on a top ten for the 49ers should be a multiple pro bowler.
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by James Brady on Jul 23, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Not thinking that at all
I just think that Lewis is overrated by many on this site
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I guess.
I just said he’s arguable, I don’t see how he isn’t arguable, but we can agree to disagree.
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by James Brady on Jul 23, 2010 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Your original statement is contradictory
You can’t say that a player is easily top 10 and then say he’s arguably top 10. Not in the same sentence—they’re mutually exclusive.
I can buy him being just outside the top 10—even competing for the 10th spot. I just wouldn’t put him there and I don’t think that there’s any “easily” about it. Not based on his play last year.
Had you asked me in 2007 I’d be singing a different tune.
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I didn't say he was easily anything. :/
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by James Brady on Jul 23, 2010 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
like.. the easily is basically a misnomer on that sentence because I use the word arguably..
as in I can see people arguing it based on the current players on the team.. too many young unprovens I guess.
I really don’t care about this anymore, though. Like I said, we can agree to disagree.
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by James Brady on Jul 23, 2010 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Michael Lewis is arguably top ten, easily.
That’s exactly what you said.
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I'll copy and paste for you.
like.. the easily is basically a misnomer on that sentence because I use the word arguably..
as in I can see people arguing it based on the current players on the team.. too many young unprovens I guess.
like.. the easily is basically a misnomer on that sentence because I use the word arguably..
as in I can see people arguing it based on the current players on the team.. too many young unprovens I guess.I really don’t care about this anymore, though. Like I said, we can agree to disagree.
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by James Brady on Jul 23, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Realy?
you had to go there? I can do that too.
I can buy him being just outside the top 10—even competing for the 10th spot. I just wouldn’t put him there and I don’t think that there’s any "easily" about it. Not based on his play last year.
I can buy him being just outside the top 10—even competing for the 10th spot. I just wouldn’t put him there and I don’t think that there’s any "easily" about it. Not based on his play last year.
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I seriously don't care, Smileyman.
I think he’s a better player than you’re giving him credit for. Like I said already, let’s agree to disagree, OK?
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by James Brady on Jul 23, 2010 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
hahah
smiley and ninja both fail at this cascade of text….its easily arguable that this is on of the worst posts on posts of a post gone bad…..
btw haha
I don't get it. I agreed to disagree.
Is there something hilarious about being amicable?
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Oops
I would really like Nate Davis to be our fourth best player. But I did mean Vernon Davis. As for Michael Lewis. . . I think he’s league average at his position, which is more than can be said for Crabtree (so far) and Spencer. So it really came down to Goldson vs. Lewis, and I decided to go with consistency over one good year. Same reason Smith and Gore are still ahead of Davis.
I agree w/ your top ten
Ninjames, maybe not the exact order. But I think a more pertinent list or ranking ought to be ranking our “10 worst” players on the roster… might take some research, or figuring out whether to rank the 10 worst from last year, or after this year’s team is cut down to 53- but then we may get a better idea of improving the lowest common denominators.
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Agree with your list James
On a side note, Heitmann should be on the list for multiple talents, football and music in particular. :) I can’t personally put Staley on there yet because he couldn’t contribute almost all last year. Not his fault though. I’d like to see Clements finally get some mention. Again, the injury bug keeps him off, although if he was healthy last year, I think it would have been a different story. He was starting to come around before he went down.
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by Mangoman on Jul 23, 2010 10:17 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
No way is it Gore. He's good but he's not our 2nd best player.
- P. Willy — best in the league at what he does
- V. Davis — top 2 in the league at what he does
- A. Lee — top 2 in the league at what he does
- Tie Gore and J. Smith — Both are top 5 at what they do.
Gimme 1 round!
And I think by the end of this season
Crabtree will be locked into #4.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jul 23, 2010 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm scared to put Davis there, personally.
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by James Brady on Jul 23, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Based off 1 season yah it might be a little risky
But I think with the offenses overall development that he will actually secure that spot, Crabtree with take 4 and then you’ll have a 4 way tie at 5.
Gore, J. Smith, A. Smith and Ahmad Brooks will all be top 5 at what they do.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jul 23, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Really?
4 years of 1000 yard seasons behind a horrible offensive line in 3 of those years? VD can’t be in the conversation due to consistency. I can’t give a punter the title second-best player on the team, no matter how good that punter is.
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Unless you're the Raiders
1. Asomugha
2. Lechler
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Vernon CLANG Davis? Frank has been the most reliable offensive weapon since he took over for Barlow. Vernon had a big season, but don’t forget that it took him time to develop into that. Vernon does a good job blocking for the #2 best player on the team though. There is a better class of runningbacks than there are of tight ends. It’s harder for Frank to be the top at what he does when he’s going against CJ, AP and MJD.
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first things firest
barlow dont even mention him. he should STILL be are number one tail back and not frank gore. understand? yeah gore has made a few good plays but not like barlow could do he broke the record for best tail back.
second thinks seconed
why did you call vernon davis CALNG?? he is seriousy a better blocker than gore and he’s taller too gore is a midget like 5’3’’ and vernon is like 6’7" so get ur facts straight before you comment like this again understand?
by mr. instigator on Jul 23, 2010 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Looks like Fun
1. Patrick Willis – I’d love to be controversial and vote for another player, but there’s no chance in hell.
2. Justin Smith – Maybe this is a slight overrating on my part, but if you take away Smith, the DLine becomes absolutely ordinary.
3. Frank Gore – Despite Vernon Davis’ breakout 2009, Gore is still the best offensive weapon in my opinion.
4. Vernon Davis – Any time you have a TE that can be such a game changer, good things happen.
5. Takeo Spikes – Another slight overrating on my part, but his veteran presence is backed by notable production.
6. Aubrayo Franklin – The hulking NT doesn’t make it to the stat sheet much, but he does his job well.
7. Eric Heitmann – Have to agree with James on this one, he’s the best lineman San Francisco has.
8. Michael Crabtree – It’s only a matter of time before Crabs cracks the top 5.
9. Joe Staley – What can I say? Staley is going to look like an all-pro with Iupati beside him in 2010.
10. Dashon Goldson – If he can fix his whiffing problems, he’ll deserve the big contract he seeks.
Honorable Mentions: Nate Clements, Michael Lewis, Shawntae Spencer, Alex Smith, Ahmad Brooks, Parys Haralson.
NOTE: My top 10 list of players doesn’t necessarily reflect the players I think will impact the team most. In other words, it’s going to take more than the 10 best players on this team for the 49ers to make the playoffs.
I will gladly eat crow if Brandon Jones does well for the 49ers in 2010.
by Andrew Davidson on Jul 23, 2010 10:57 AM PDT reply actions
NOTE Ver 1.1
Why I left Andy Lee of the list? He’s a punter, not a player. Burn.
I will gladly eat crow if Brandon Jones does well for the 49ers in 2010.
by Andrew Davidson on Jul 23, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
come on Andy
it’s all in good fun, good fun I tell ya! You’re the best punter in the NFC!
:)
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by Andrew Davidson on Jul 23, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
My list
1. Patrick Willis – of course.
2. (had we been smart) Kory Sheets – I cried the day he was taken from us
3. Frank Gore– Has made our offense go, despite mediocrity everywhere else these past few seasons. He deserves the recognition as the only fuel for the fire.
4. Justin Smith – How can you not love this guy? An absolute beast of a man, and part of a dying breed: The silent leader.
5. Vernon Davis – Ever since “The Talk” he’s become the TE that everyone thought he could be and then some. A physical specimen, and has matured mentally.
I had a tough time with the poll
for me it was either Gore or Smith. VD just hasn’t been consistent enough to vote as the second best overall player.
Eventually I had to go with Gore.
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My top 10
1. Patrick Willis
2. Frank Gore
3. Justin Smith
4. Vernon Davis
5. Aubrayo Franklin
6. Eric Heitmann
7. Andy Lee
8. Nate Clements
9. Shantae Spencer
10. Dashon Goldson
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verr nice
i don’t fully agree that Crabs is on it yet, although he has top 3 upside with 52 and 85.
that’s who i would drop in order to add clements.
your thoughts on Spencer over Lewis….
Michael Lewis' play has declined considerably since joining the 49ers
last year he was ranked 26th amongst all DBs. I think Spencer is easily the 2nd best CB on the team and could push for the best overall CB this season.
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I agree
he’s on the up vs lewis who’s on the decline.
i guess i’m having a hard time separating career ‘best’ vs last year’s ‘best’.
lewis and clements are the most decorated members of our secondary, and darn good at their respective positions. they both had regressions last year, but their regression is exactly what made goldson all the more productive. that, and they’re veteran leaders.
it’s a slippery slope when evaluating our secondary.
- james, you don’t like clements, but he’s a beast in the run game, and part of the reason we were so stingy in the red zone. he def benefitted when he had a back line, either in the form of over-the-top help or the actual end zone. still capable of lock down coverage and very capable of third down and late game stops.
Clements belongs nowhere near this list.
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by James Brady on Jul 23, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Dude is a great CB who was hampered last year due to injury
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I've never seen great CB play from him in a 49ers jersey.
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by James Brady on Jul 23, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess you didn't watch many 49er games then
because the dude was on fire in 2009 before he got hurt.
I’ll even give you my NFL Rewind password if you want to go back and rewatch those games to re-evaluate your opinion.
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Yeah that's a great thing to say..
..I didn’t watch many 49ers games.. stay classy, smileyman. I’m a fraud fan.
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by James Brady on Jul 23, 2010 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
That's simply a ludicrous statement to make
you’ve “never” seen great play from him in a 49ers uniform? “Never” Not in one single game ever?
Good grief. I just barely finished watching every defensive play of the first two games of 2009 and he had excellent CB play in both of those games.
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Great play overall.
I’ve never seen him have a great year. The odd game or two, but I’ve seen Ted Ginn have great games with the Dolphins. I figured you’d get the scope of what I meant with great play – as in year in and year out. Overall he’s always disappointed.
But like you said, I’ve probably only seen three or four games since we signed him.
So over it, dude. I’m not in the mood for this semantics bull. Again – we can agree to disagree.
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by James Brady on Jul 23, 2010 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I love Clements.
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Can you give me your rewind password?
I’d love to watch a few games this weekend instead of doing my school work!!
by mr. instigator on Jul 23, 2010 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
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ive seen Clements make great plays
but they were almost always peaking into the backfield on runs and making 1 on 1 edge tackles. I love a CB who plays the run, but their primary job is not to get burned on the pass. Unfortunately, that happen more than a few times when healthy.
by asmithisaverage on Jul 23, 2010 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Nate Clements?
Haven’t seen his name on here. Understandably, he had an off year last year- but he’s still a solid CB in this league.
….and there goes smiley. Nate at 8!
2. Andy Lee- big believer in field position being a huge part of any game
3. vernon davis- wins any match up versus any one on the field. Can’t wait till he torches revis.
4. Gore- great running back. can create his own runs, doenst need the line to break one out but needs a good line to be consistently great.
5. Justin Smith- all motor all the time
6. crabtree- catches everything thrown his way. Runs perfect routes. Average speed
7. franklin- destroyer of running backs
8. Heitmann-winner of most underrated player in the ncf west
9.joe staley- only gonna get better too, already very good
10. manny lawson- needs to stay healthy, if he does can be a terror with his speed
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by operation carrot on Jul 23, 2010 12:05 PM PDT reply actions
1. Willis
2. Vernon Davis
3. Frank Gore
4. Justin Smith (tempted to put him third… but ultimately couldn’t move Frank down)
5. Joe Staley (solid LTs are hard to find)
6. Eric Heitmann
7. Aubrayo Franklin
8.Manny Lawson
9. Michael Crabtree
10. Dashon Goldson
10a. Andy Lee (I think he’s absolutely one of the very best punters in the game, but I just couldn’t justify ranking a punter higher than this)
Why I’m so excited by this offseason: I don’t think it’s unreasonable to believe that the top three players we drafted this year could all be on a list like this sooner rather than later… and that’s not because we’re lacking in talent anymore.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Jul 23, 2010 12:25 PM PDT reply actions
You're smoking
CRACK IF YOU THINK WILLIS IS #1
by mr. instigator on Jul 23, 2010 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah, Bruce Willis isn't even on the team!
The enemy of my enemy is collateral damage.
by these3words on Jul 23, 2010 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Top Ten Players
1. Patrick Willis, best football player on the field almost every down he plays.
2. Frank Gore, Top five running back with very high yards per carry for a seasoned veteren.
3. Aubrayo Franklin, has so much football knowledge on the defensive line he has become unreplacable. How did he miss out on the pro bowl? Maybe they thought he was too small/old. We know better.
4. Takeo Spikes, I bumped him up because of his past performance which translates into good football player even if his age is catching up.
5. Michael Crabtree, we all expected an attitude but instead he has shown us a guy who works hard. He will be great. I have him here for his routes and hands.
6. Vernon Davis, a physical freak of nature and one of our top 3 weapons, I think he is still learning and has to develop his routes and hands. Thats scary for the other teams. Great blocker.
7. Justin Smith, he is hard to block, uses his football skills better than anyone.
8. Dashon Goldson, I think he surprised everyone last year. Saftey is a tough position to master.
9 and 10. Shawntae and Nate, these guys are pretty good at their position and I can’t tell which one is better I just know they are different. Shawntae seems a little quicker but Nate is usually around the ball.
No offensive linemen because they didn’t impress as a unit which is very important for them. Also, I would hesitate to rank Kickers and Punters with other players. I would prefer to rank them against other Kickers and Punters. I’ll give Heitmann the props for holding the line at center, he is a solid veteran. I can’t get a read on Alex Smith, He could be one of our best or just mediocre. He’s needs to grow huge b@#$$.
lol
patrick willis the best on team? why? sersiously dude if ur gonna say dumb bullcrap like taht at least have a better reason than “best football palyer on the feidl almost ever down he platys”
by mr. instigator on Jul 23, 2010 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Watch this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bM4sEmaFLQ
and
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Patrick Willis is like a walking highlight reel, there’s so much more.
seriously dood
i have seen “patrick willis” but im not really impressed by ur socalled “walking highlight real” yeah he’s “decent” but not “the best on the felid” ok?? i will take manny lawsom or derek smith over this guy anytime of the week and twice on sundaes..
by mr. instigator on Jul 23, 2010 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Anyway
You’re obviously stuck in the past like Rip Van Winkle. You’ve been asleep for twenty years.
Joe Montana and Roger Craig have retired.
Your instigating cracks me up
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by Mangoman on Jul 23, 2010 1:48 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
my flavor
1. Willis
2. VD
3. Gore
4. Lee
5. J smith\
6. Franklin
now these imo can be put in any order
7. Spikes
8. Hietmann
9. Crabtree
10. I will say Clements because I hope this year he is awesome but Goldson and Lawson could be here too.
ok your flavor?
first of all your not baskin robins if you are they got rid of 5 of there 31 flavors yours must have been one of the ones they got rid of
willis #1? youre joking i presume? terry bradshaw>willis
by mr. instigator on Jul 23, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
My List: a combo of best player + value too team
1) Pat Willis (duh)
2) Frank Gore (still our best offensive weapon)
3) Vernon Davis (best passing game weapon)
4) Justin Smith (dude is a absolute beast)
5) Andy Lee (see below)
6) Dashon Goldson (had a good 2nd half last year)
7) Aubrayo Franklin (eats up blockers)
8) Michael Crabtree (best WR)
9) Eric Heitmann (most consistent O-Lineman)
10) Takeo Spikes (gettin’ older, but still good)
Willis is obviously the best player on the Niners, he also may have a argument to best overall player in the NFL.
Gore still is a Top 5 RB who while get his 1000 yards easily this year, also a good reciever and blocker.
Vernon is IMO, the most complete TE in the league. A devastating blocker, too fast for LBs, too big for DB to cover. Though he only has average hands at best, and penalty prone.
Justin Smith gets the nod over Franklin because he can some serious pressure on the QB. And for a 3-4 DE, that’s amazing, when his primary purpose is eating blockers.
Andy Lee is #5 because of the field position advantage he gives us. He makes opposing offenses have to drive on longer fields, giving the D breathing room. Conversely, if the D does it’s job, our offense will on average have shorter fields to score. He’s to invaluable to leave off the list just because he’s a punter. A punter every team in the league would love to have.
Dashon Goldson had a good 2nd half but needs to carry that over to this year if the D any chance to progress to a Top 5 unit. He needs to work on tackling and his coverage skills if he wants to get the contract he thinks he deserves.
Franklin is a good NT, a rare position to find an impact player at. I don’t think he’s long for the Niners because he’s going to fetch a hefty price on the free agent market.
Michael Crabtree is the best WR we’ve had since TO. He’ll have a 1000 yard season this year without a doubt in my mind. He runs good routes, gets good separation from defenders, and has amazing hands. His only weakness is that he doesn’t have blazing speed. That isn’t much of a problem though.
Eric Heitmann is our most consistent O-Lineman. He’s incredibly smart, which is important for Centers. He also has no weakness in his game.
TKO is aging, though he is an invaluable part of the D. He does his job and doesn’t make many mistakes. He also allows Pat to be unimpeded in run defense.
Honorable mention:
1) Alex Smith: If he has a good year, he could find himself in the Top 10 list.
2) Nate Clements & Shawtae Spencer: Both are good starting CBs but both aren’t anything to write home to mother about.
3) Josh Morgan: Good run-blocker and does his job well. Really not an exceptional player.
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by Hoopers Judge on Jul 23, 2010 3:31 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
No Ziggy Ninjames?
I figured you would throw him in there at least as an honorable mention but I guess you left the man-crush out of this. Pretty good list and I can’t see myself changing much of anything but adding a few more honorable mentions. I think Nate Clements belongs in there. He may not be great but but I would put him in a top 15.
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Mmmm . . . I dunno
1. Patrick Willis
2. Vernon Davis (kills me to rank ahead of Gore)
3. Frank Gore
4. Justin Smith
5. Aubrayo Franklin
6. Michael Crabtree
7. Nate Clements (I still believe)
8. Manny Lawson
9. Joe Staley
10. Takeo Spikes
Heitmann, Lee & Goldson outside looking in.
I don't hate lawson
but he may not even be our best outside linebacker and imo doesn’t break the top10.
by asmithisaverage on Jul 24, 2010 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions
See my Lawson report card posts for a different view
Logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority
Top 10 49ers:
1. Patrick Willis
2. Patrick Willis’ aura
3. Vernon “The Disease” Davis
4. Frank “Frank” Gore
5. Andy Lee
6. Michael Crabtree
7. Justin Smith
8. Dashon Goldson
9. Shawntae Spencer
10. Josh Morgan
Honorable Mention:
Jay Cutler, MVP of our win over the Bears last year.
The enemy of my enemy is collateral damage.
Here is my top ten (predicting the 2010-'11 Season)... and then some.
1. Patrick Willis
2. Vernon Davis
3. Frank Gore
4. Michael Crabtree
5. Justin Smith
6. Alex Smith
7. Dashon Goldson
8. Shawntae Spencer
9. Aubrayo Franklin
10. Eric Heitmann
Top 15
11. Joe Staley
12. Takeo Spikes
13. Nate Clements
14. Taylor Mays
15. Delanie Walker
Top 22
16. Mike Iupati
17. Josh Morgan
18. Ahmad Brooks
19. Manny Lawson
20. Chilo Rachal
21. Isaac Sopoaga
22. Anthony Davis
Notable Mention if he is even the starter
Moran Norris
"I'm blessed..... Thanks, God bless" ...hey, it worked for Tim Tebow.
Your hate for Anthony Davis is hilarious.
Really now. Putting Sopoaga above him?
And then God created Saturn... and he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
Twitter me and what not.
I agree with him at this point.
A guy who’s work ethic is SO BAD that he show up out of shape to the combine, his pro day and to OTAs deserves no respect. I’d bet money he’s in worse shape when he shows up to camp then he was leaving Mini-camps. The guy to this point has been a disgrace. I hope I can sing a different tune soon.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jul 25, 2010 8:17 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I hope that mental exercise was fun
But best player lists aren’t a function of their potential.
by asmithisaverage on Jul 24, 2010 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions
I have to thank you for your funtional potential
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BEST 49ER
PEOPLE ALWAYS OVERLOOK THE MOST CRITICAL POSITION ON THE TEAM IN MY WORDS AND THAT IS THE LONG SNAPPER AND F/G SNAPPER AND THAT IS BRIAN JENNINGS AND I AM BRAIN FARTING, DOES HE SNAP ON F/G’S, BUT HE IS IN THE TOP TEN BY FAR.
CUT-N-DRY……….BOOK-IT-DANO
DREW K…BRIAN JENNINGS IS DEF IN THE TOP 22
I absolutely love Brian Jennings.
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Twitter me and what not.
Beetle
can I kindly ask you not to use ALL CAPS? You make a very good point about Jennings, but my brain hurts when reading ALL CAPS. Well, my brain hurts period when reading, but still.
I will gladly eat crow if Brandon Jones does well for the 49ers in 2010.
by Andrew Davidson on Jul 24, 2010 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Well said Brian
Way to look out for yourself! :P
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Don't understand the ALL-CAPS here...
But you definitely have a point. If Andy Lee is getting all the love at a relatively obscure position because he is among the best at that position, then you have to include Jennings as well. Don’t forget the guy made a Pro Bowl just by longsnapping – and, as opposed to punting, there isn’t even a LS position on Pro Bowl rosters.
by musketeer54 on Jul 24, 2010 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
There's a special team specialist option for Pro-Bowls
generally it goes to a return man.
Logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority
That's what I mean.
There is a spot reserved for a punter, but not for a longsnapper. IIRC he wasn’t even chosen for that special teams option, but instead brought in at Jim Mora’s request, who knew him as the hands down best LS in the league and wanted to reward him.

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