What's Your Confidence Level For Vernon Davis?
A few days ago, I started these posts with a look at our fans' confidence levels in Alex Smith, and then followed that up with a look at Frank Gore. The ratings for Smith were mixed, but still favored the High and Very High levels. With Gore, it was almost unanimously very high and high. The reasons for picking high instead of very high were generally due to the team having more talent to share the ball with on offense.
Which brings me to starting tight end Vernon Davis. Widely regarded as a colossal failure his first three seasons (with a bit of false hope sprinkled in), many fans had their fingers on their collective "bust" buttons. I don't actually have a "bust" button, but you know what I mean. It was just about to cut bait as opposed to continue fishing. But something happened, something went down in his head and just clicked.
It seemed to happen right after Mike Singletary banished him to the locker room mid-game and layeth the smacketh downeth on national television. I was happy when it happened, Davis needed to shape up and that just seemed to put his head on right. Something clicked, and Davis went on to have career highs in every positive category. He caught 78 passes, good for 965 yards and 13 touchdowns. The 13 touchdowns tied an NFL record for tight ends in a single season.
Does he get 1000 yards this season? Does he break the record he now shares with Antonio Gates? Does he do nothing but get better and become the best tight end in the game (or perhaps solidifying himself as such after becoming the best last year)? Or... does he fall short? Is the hype to much and his hands go back to being crudely carved from already misshapen stone?
Very High: He'll play just as well as he did, maybe better. Vernon won't necessarily tie that record for touchdowns, it is - after all a record for a reason. It just doesn't happen all the time. But we'll say something around 8-10 touchdowns with 1000 yards. A great season, definitely top three tight end in the league.
High: No being disappointed here, be it from more successful running from Gore, or an emergence of the other receivers, Vernon looks just as dominant out there but doesn't quite get back to that mark of last season. He'll get a lot of touchdowns, even again in the 7-10 range, but his yardage will drop.
Medium: He'll be a good tight end, top half of the league, but he will have some drops. He'll get a few touchdown catches, four to six or something along those lines, his yardage will drop significantly, but he'll still be a good player. A dependable target on a team without many.
Low: 2009 was pretty much a fluke. Vernon's hands will be worse than Ted Ginn's, he'll catch a touchdown pass or three but it won't be pretty, it'll be something wide open on a play action and it will be gift-wrapped. He'll have a good game or two but he'll be largely ineffective and mostly irrelevant.
Very Low: On par with that Becht fellow in Arizona. Yeah, the really bad one.
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Very High
The chemistry is even stronger between him and Alex. He’ll get over 1000 yards and he’ll break the TD record. I’m calling it right now—he’ll have a td in every game. 17 tds this year.
That seam route up the middle is a bread and butter play because it can’t be stopped. VD is a mis-match on everybody. LBs are too slow to cover him, CBs and safeties are too small.
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I know this post is about Vernon but
Does anyone wonder how Owen Daniels would have come out if he didn’t get injured last year?
My expectation for VD is very high. His “stat production” might not be as high, because of the emergence of other offensive weapons this year. Then again, if our spectacular defense keeps the opposing offense off the field, then there will be plenty of “stat production” to go around.
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His stats should still be there including the possibility of a 1000 yard season because if Alex gets the improved protection most people are expecting, I would think he’ll be airing it out a lot more than he has been. And with better time to throw, with more accuracy & confidence!
43 days to go. . .
by Mangoman on Jul 4, 2010 11:30 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Vernon won't break the TD record this year.
Not because of a lack of production or talent but because, like you said, Crabtree, etc. and the continuing evolution of the Niners offense will result in a greater spreading of the wealth. He’ll have a good season, no doubt, but will probably produce lesser #‘s than last year. In terms of the team doing well, this is a good thing because a greater distribution of the ball means more success as an offensive unit and more W’s.
Who knows, though, his td’s might diminish but his receptions could potentially increase even w/ greater ball distribution simply because of holding onto more balls and continuing to improve his hands. Either way, VD’s gonna have a great year and I’m hoping the Niners lock him up w/ a fat contract soon.
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by Young_To_Rice on Jul 4, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Hey Smileyman
Thanks.. You reminded me of something that Ninjames didn’t put into the post.
He got much better once Smith became the starter. With Smith starting the entire year I can see VD going over 1000 yards, with Crabtree doing the same, and VD also going over 13 TDs. The main offense is Gore running, VD and Crabs catching. Others will get theirs too but those three will get most of the time this year.
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Well there is probably one safety with the size and speed to cover VD.....
but he happens to be playing on the Niners too :)
by sanfranfanmdk on Jul 5, 2010 6:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Alex Smith loves Vernon Davis....
And not in that way either!!!
I see Davis having simular stats as last year, with a great opportunity to surpaa 1000 yards and maybe break the record. One thing that Davis has that no other TE has as well as he, is top end speed. Most TE’s will get caught from behind, but Davis can outrun anyone….Prime Time is retired and Mays is on our D…. alright, most anyone. Teams started to cover Davis more when he would run a go. With Crabtree on one side and Jet Ginn on the other, teams wil have to respect the speed and the Saftey can’t cheat towards Davis.
Very High
Real talk Davis is the only true matchup nightmare we have on offense but I think Crabtree will have something to say bout that this season. He has a great chance of hitting 1,000yds and I hope atleast 10TDs.
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Something to remember...
Is that Jimmy Raye loves using the TE, especially on the seam routes. He maxed out Tony G’s production in KC when he was in his prime so I’m sure he’s devising new ways to continue to use VD in abusing the defense. I’m not a huge fan of Raye, but from his previous coaching stops it’s clear he’s dedicated to using the TE as a weapon.
"The principle is competing against yourself. It's about self improvement, about being better than you were the day before." ~Steve Young #8
Whenever the Niners get within 30 yards of the opposing endzone…
the first play will be that over-the-shoulder seam route to VD. And he’s going to catch that more often then not. And if that all VD is used for this season, he’ll break the TD record.
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by Hoopers Judge on Jul 4, 2010 12:55 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Throwing something out there ..too high too low?
Worked out some imaginary statistics see what you think as far as our scoring next year
Receiving
Vernon Davis – 10 Receiving TD’s
Michael Crabtree – 10 Receiving TD’s
Delaney Walker 2 Receiving TD’s
Frank Gore – 2 Receiving TD’s
Ted Ginn – 2 Receiving TD’s
Kyle Williams – 3 Receiving TD’s
Josh Morgan – 3 Receiving TD’s
Rushing
Frank Gore – 10 Rushing TD’s
Glenn Coffee – 2 Rushing TD’s
A Dixon – 2 Rushing TD’s
Returns
Kyle Williams – 1 Return TD
Ted Ginn – 2 Return TD’s
Field Goals
Joe Nedney – 26 FG’s
Defensive
Ahmad Brooks – 1 Defensive TD
Patrick Willis – 1 Defensive TD
Shawntae Spencer – 1 Defensive TD
Taylor Mays – 1 Defensive TD
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jul 4, 2010 2:38 PM PDT reply actions
Alex isn't throwing 32 TDs
I think the passing TDs are way too high. Since 2001, only 21 QBs have throw for 30+ TDs in a season. That’s 7% of opening day QBs. The average profile for that QB is 4,000+ yards, 30+ TDs, and a QB rating of around 98+. To predict that for Alex, a guy who has never thrown for 3,000 yards, 20 TDs, or a 82 QB rating is a big jump especially since the offense doesn’t figure to skew that far to the pass. He’ll improve, but I would be stunned if he hit 30 TD passes. 25 seems more of a reasonable target.
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Ok ..thought I'd start High....
So how about we knock Kyle down to 1 Receiving TD, that’s 2 off. Then take Crabs down to 6 TD’s. And we’ll take Ginn down to 1 and DW down to 1. That do it?
Thanks for the input.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jul 4, 2010 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Not a problem
Always better to start high.
As much as I see Alex improving, I know that this will be a very balanced offense. The coaches are gonna put Alex in a good position and that means balance.
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Nothing wrong with the scoring.
Though I’m thinking Crabs has a few less then 10 and K. Williams has maybe 1 recieving TD.
As you have it right now, Alex throws 32 TD’s. While I’m thinking more in the realm of 25-28.
Also on defense, there going to be a D-Lineman or two who are going to scoop up a fumble for a TD. And Clements is going to have at least one blocked field goal TD return.
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by Hoopers Judge on Jul 4, 2010 3:26 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
See mods above in regards to receiving TD's and...
let’s put in RJF runs scoops up a Ahmad FF into the End Zone and does a Peanut Butter Jelly Time dance in the end zone. :-)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jul 4, 2010 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions
What the heck??
Who voted low? Very Low?
You must be Niner Haters from Oakland or Dallas
Nate Byham
Or Bear Pascoe?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
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by SportsChicken on Jul 5, 2010 1:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Went with High
Nothing saying Davis won’t be as stellar a performer…just saying with the other targets that will make themselves more available (specifically Crabs) he will get less targeted to him.
So basically I am saying he does worse statistically because the team will be doing so much better….I am willing to see that tradeoff :)
He may get less targeted
and he should be more targeted by defenses. That will be good for Crabtree and Gore and maybe even Ginn ( if he lives up to his potential ).
85 VD = 11 TD
Are we THERE yet?
Not Ginn
but Williams more likely. Kyle seems to have something I don’t know what it is. He’s not as skeered as Ginn. And has better hands, I feel.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jul 5, 2010 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Very High
This being the second year of the OC, everyone on that side of the ball should be doing better this season, and I do wish Alex has a 30 TD season just to close the mouths of all the naisayers, and the writers that like to take pot shots. Sorry I’ll get off my soap box, and say let us see.
R.L.
I voted medium
not to be a downer, but I’m still not sold on VD’s hands…. His drop of a late go-ahead touchdown in the 2nd Seattle game was a huge killer.
Plus, the 49ers will likely have 2 rookies on the OL, as well as (hopefully) the emergence of the WR’s to take some plays away from VD.
by brundylop on Jul 5, 2010 1:43 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I want an option that is higer than "very high"
I think he breaks the TD record.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
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