NFL Network's Top 5 Tight Ends
by smileyman on Jul 7, 2010 2:00 PM PDT
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PrintLast night the NFL Network's Solomon Wilcox listed his top 5 tight ends. I present them to you for debate and argument.
5. Tied between Jermichael Finley and Vernon Davis
4. Dallas Clark
3. Jason Witten
2. Antonio Gates
1. Tony Gonzalez
Join me after the jump as I examine each player's 2009 stats and present my own list.
Here are each player's 2009 stats
| Player | Games Played | Games Started | Catches | Total Yards | Yards Per Catch | Long | Number of Tds |
| Jermichael Finley | 13 | 10 | 55 | 676 | 12.3 | 62 | 5 |
| Vernon Davis | 16 | 16 | 78 | 965 | 12.4 | 73 | 13 |
| Dallas Clark | 16 | 16 | 100 | 1106 | 11.1 | 80 | 10 |
| Jason Witten | 16 | 16 | 94 | 1030 | 11.0 | 69 | 2 |
| Tony Gonzalez | 16 | 16 | 83 | 867 | 10.4 | 27 | 6 |
| Antonio Gates | 16 | 16 | 79 | 1157 | 14.6 | 56 | 8 |
I have serious issues with these rankings. I don't see how you can put a player who didn't even start a full season as the 5th best tight end in the league while a player who tied the touchdown record for tight ends is also listed as 5th.
If I had to redo the list I'd have them go something like this.
1. Dallas Clark. 100 receptions, 11 yards per catch and the best hands in the game at his position.
2. Antonio Gates. 14.6 yards per catch is incredible. He's not used as much in the redzone as VD is, but he's a dangerous option.
3. Vernon Davis. 12.4 yards per reception is nothing to sneeze at. More chemistry and he should top 1000 yards this season and hopefully hold the TD record by himself.
4. Jason Witten. He's got 1000 yards on the season but he only has two TDs on his resume. A TE who isn't used in goal line situations is lessened in vale in my opinion.
5. Jermichael Finley. Dude has lots of upside. I agree with putting him at number five, but I surely wouldn't put him with Vernon Davis.
5. Tony Gonzalez. Wilcox made a point of saying that this wasn't a lifetime achievement award but I have to disagree. If you actualy look at his 2009 numbers he's taken a step back from his glory years. Still one of the best in teh business though.
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yeah, vernons stats are better than the other guys
gotta wonder if they took into account the emphasis on the the position in the offense these guys are in. then again, i don’t think they really take much into account at all with their rankings these days.
I think you have Clark rated too highly
If this is ranking them purely on receiving skills then I think Clark is the best. With how often he is split out wide and not asked to block, I think the argument can be made that both VD and Gates are more complete TE’s than he is.
Clark is more or less a slow, possession WR. His blocking skills are incredible minimal. Heck, he probably couldn’t block the majority of the posters on this site.
Antonio Gates is the best TE in the league, for now. If VD gets more consistent hands, it’s no contest.
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by Hoopers Judge on Jul 7, 2010 3:04 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Receiving is only half of a tight ends job
Since it’s difficult to quantify blocking, TE’s in this post and in the discussion are being evaluated as receivers based on yards and touchdowns.
The best TE in the league is the best all-round TE in the league, not the best pass-catching TE. And that ain’t Dallas Clark. It has to be Vernon Davis. His pass catching is certainly better than Clark’s blocking!
Someone commented that Davis has become a much improved player only last year. That’s just not accurate. Davis has been improving steadily since his first year. His blocking skills improved markedly in the 2008 season. His role changed under Jimmy Raye’s offense and now he’s a featured receiving threat. His pass catching showed significant improvement last year.
Clark's a better blocker than a lot of people here are giving him credit for
He’s not terrible, but I’d say he’s about average from a TE. Could be better, could be worse….
As a receiver, Clark’s continued to put up bigger numbers each year.
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Difficult to fully assess Clark without factoring in Manning
Clark posts those receiving numbers and his blocking with the elusive Manning throwing the ball (often out of the shotgun) and Moore scheming the offense, since, what 1950? Davis’s pass catching numbers were posted despite the OC and starting QB carousels.
I still think Davis is a better pass catcher than Clark is a blocker.
VD is the best talent at Tight End
Hands down. Even for these Fantasy Geeks his stats are going to improve this year, but in real football Vernon can out play all these guys. He’s a blocker as well as a red zone phenom, scoring TD’s when everyone knows the ball is going to him. He’s a mismatch nightmare for opposing teams. These other TE’s are from teams with the top Qb’s in the NFL, including Peyton Manning, Phillip Rivers, Aaron Rodgers, and Matt Ryan, of course their stats are going to be high. The only other one I have competing with VD for top spot in real football (as opposed to fantasy football) is Tony Gonzalez, 10 time pro bowler, but his age is going to catch up with him sooner or later.
Disagree
VD’s hands are too inconsistent to rank him the best. If he has another year in 2010 like he did in 2009 then I’ll move him to #1 overall.
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True.
His hands need work. He improves those, he has the potential to go down as one of the greatest TE’s in history.
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by Young_To_Rice on Jul 7, 2010 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions
GOAT?
I mean, Tony Gonalez is the GOAT to me right now…..
VD is going to need a lot of 1,000 yd seasons and another 9 probowls though…
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
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by SportsChicken on Jul 7, 2010 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
Tony Gonzalez is definitely the greatest tight end of all time. 14 years of top production is going to be hard to beat.
VD has the chance of topping that though.
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I didn't say...
GOAT. I said potential to be ‘one of the greatest TE’s in history.’ VD’s has a long, long way to go—I completely agree. What’s more, he has to improve his hands to even have a shot at greatness. That being said, he has the physique, freakish athleticism, and work ethic to have a long, productive career. Combine that w/ his natural talent and continued improvement and you have the recipe for a potentially great career. Key word—potentially. Depends on VD and his inner drive.
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by Young_To_Rice on Jul 7, 2010 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I said GOAT
I think he could do it though….
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
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by SportsChicken on Jul 8, 2010 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions
He should be no lower than No.2
Only Antonio Gates is better.
VD is a better overall TE than Clark.
TE =/= WR so Clark’s blocking ineptitude hurts him here.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
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by SportsChicken on Jul 7, 2010 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions
We'll have to agree to disagree here
Clark’s blocking hurts him, but VD’s brick hands hurt him there.
Maybe we can settle on them being tied.
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a little off topic but...
Did VD have a problem catching passes over his shoulder while in stride prior to last season? I may be completely wrong though because my memory is bad…
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Yeah he did
The ball had to be right in front of him so he could catch it.
He made several over-the-shoulder catches in 2009 so he seems to have improved on that.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
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by SportsChicken on Jul 8, 2010 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Clark’s blocking is awful. VD’s hands aren’t. VD is a much more complete TE then Dallas.
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by Hoopers Judge on Jul 7, 2010 11:44 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Hate to say it again
But if Owen Daniels didn’t get hurt midseason last year, I wonder where he would be. Finley would be #7 after Kellen Winslow. If the ranking is on being a complete TE, then I can see why Tony G got #1, Gates #2 but VD should be #3.
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That's a good list and agree with the rankings
Even though Matt Ryan went through a sophomore slump and missed two games, Gonzalez still put up some good numbers. I also think people do not recognize that he’s a pretty good blocker (compared to the other pass-catching TEs of the league).
And yes, I wonder what Daniels numbers would have been like as well.
by ZeroOneInfinity on Jul 7, 2010 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Love the sig
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Tony G is not No.1 anymore
The Falcons threw to him non stop last year and he still didn’t put up his traditional numbers.
He’s getting old.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Jul 7, 2010 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Or what they say
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Jul 7, 2010 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I find it hilarious
that Jermichael Finley makes it into a tie for 5th place. Owen Daniels, Visanthe Shiancoe, Brent Celek, Kellen Winslow, Zach Miller, Heath Miller, Greg Olsen, John Carlson, and Todd Heap all deserve to be ranked better than Finley. How is this guy the fifth-best TE in the game already? He isn’t.
Someone voted for Finley as the best
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Coach Boone: Now get on the bus. Put on your jacket first and then get on the bus.
Because he was good in that playoff game
and people forget about things before the playoffs. At least, that is the only thing I can think of how Finley made the list.
by ZeroOneInfinity on Jul 7, 2010 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Finley has a ton of potential
My list is just how I would order the NFLN’s list
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Had Owen Daniels not been hurt most of last year he’d be there. I can’t agree about either of the MIller’s. They’re simply not game-changers. Greg Olsen only had 612 yards receiving last year and he’ll get less this year. John Carlson only had 574 yards receiving last year.
Jermichael Finley only started 10 games last year and still managed to be one of the best. There’s no reason to think he won’t be just as good this year, and if he does that he’ll easily be one of the top TEs in the game.
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The OAK Miller has been on a terrible team with the worst QB in the NFL
The JAX Miller is a “potential” guy, so I’ll give you that.
Carlson was very good as a rookie and his stats are down mainly because he had to block a lot last year (like VD in 2008)
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Jul 7, 2010 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions
The Raiders will be interesting to watch this year for sure
Russell gone, Campbell in at QB, a (hopefully improved) offensive line. They might be a surprise sleeper team.
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This
Finley hasn’t done ANYTHING that warrants him being the 5th best TE in the NFL.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Jul 7, 2010 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Daniels is my #3
He was KILLING it for the Texans until the injury. Being a #2 option as a TE only because the #1 is Andre Johnson says a lot.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jul 8, 2010 2:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Have to admit I voted with my heart not my mind.
I voted for VD as the best, but if I’d voted with my mind I’d probably put him at 3 like smiley did. I like Finley but yeah he’s not top 5, maybe top 10 and maybe an up and comer.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jul 7, 2010 2:49 PM PDT reply actions
I saw this joke on NFLN last night.
It made me laugh pretty hard so I had to assume he was joking. Then I realized he wasn’t and I laughed even harder.
Smiley’s list is way better but I’m still not sure I would put Finley as #5 in the league. Maybe I would if we are talking about potential but otherwise there are several others that are better and have been consistent for years (see Andrew Davidson’s list). This brings me to my next point which is to try and figure out why Wilcox would put VD #5 behind guys that he clearly outperformed last year and is more well rounded than. Consistency. Maybe Wilcox put him at #5 because he wants to see Vernon produce for more than just one season? Maybe he is taking the name of the position too literally and liked the other “Tight Ends” better?
My list:
1. Antonio Gates
2. Vernon Davis
3. Dallas Clark
4. Jason Witten
5. Tony Gonzalez
I can't wait for Mango's sig to say "0 days to go".
VD's end is pretty tight
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Jul 7, 2010 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s what the ladies on the curling team said
38 days to go. . .
by Mangoman on Jul 8, 2010 1:30 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
1. Antonio Gates
2. Dallas Clark
3. Tony Gonzalez (based on past performance as well)
4. Vernon Davis
5. Jason Witten
I just can;t give Vernon the top spot based on one year
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by MichaelClutchtree on Jul 7, 2010 3:59 PM PDT reply actions
When VD stops the drops and cuts down on the penalties....
then he’ll be number 1.
I’m amazed that no one’s talked about the other half of the TE’s job: blocking. Witten’s number one, to me, because he’s the best combination of blocker and receiver.
1. Jason Witten
2. Tony Gonzalez – part lifetime achievement, part he still gets it done.
3. Dallas Clark – the best receiving TE of the bunch, a better blocker than people give him credit for.
4. Antonio Gates – Led TEs in yards, yards after catch, and 2nd in yards per catch.
5. Vernon Davis – Only 1 great year compared to the others who have shown consistency; still needs to work on cutting down the drops and penalties (led TEs in both categories). He could also be a better blocker.
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One of the TEs main jobs is to be used in goal line and red zone situations
Witten only has 2 TDs on the season, which makes him far less valuable a tight end.
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Wouldn't that goal line usage....
Also apply to blocking?
And given that Tony Romo is the QB, wouldn’t you feel a lot better about running anyways?
"Lord, beer me strength."
Romo's a good QB
And yes, you want them to block, but when you have a passing attack like the Cowgirls do but you only have two TDs on the year it tells me something about the trust level of your QB in you and/or your offensive coordinator.
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As much fun as it would be to debate the Cowgirls.....
I’ll just say that I think we’re both right.
They have a ton of options so it shouldn’t hurt Witten that he had 2 TDs when he led the Cowboys in receptions and was 2nd in yards. However, Witten should be more of a factor in the passing game and not let Roy freakin’ Williams outshine him down in the red zone.
Now I need to shower….get that Cowgirl filth off me.
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Who do you think you are, Tex
We don’t take too kindly to logic here.
Sorry, got it out of my system. Anyway, yeah, that makes sense. And looking over Witten’s career stats, it does not look like he is much of a red zone threat (only 3 out of his 7 seasons has he put up 5 or more touchdowns). So I guess his blocking makes up for him not making many touchdowns. I would drop him under Gonzalez because while Gonzalez is getting older, he is still a complete TE who is a great red zone threat.
by ZeroOneInfinity on Jul 7, 2010 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Witten is overrated
See Smiley’s post above.
Witten is not very usefull in the redzone when defenses contract and don’t give him space.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Jul 7, 2010 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions
His other stats make up for that (to me)
6 straight seasons of 64+ receptions, 754+ yards, and 37+ 1st downs. I can’t knock him for being in an offense that has other weapons….dude puts up great TE numbers and is the best blocking TE in football.
"Lord, beer me strength."
But redzone threats are a prime responsibility of a TE
there’s a reason TEs have more TDs per reception ratio than WRs do.
In my opinion Tight End responsibilities go something like this:
1. Critical catches (3rd and long, keep drives going, 4th and short, etc.)
2. Red zone and goal line threats due to their mismatches with defense
3. Blocking.
I don’t know if all three of those are rated equally, but a TE that’s not a red zone threat is a not one of the great players.
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True
but I am not gonna knock him because Dallas has 3 good RBs, 3 good WRs, Witten, and a mobile QB and he had one season of 2 TDs. He averaged about 5 TDs a season prior to last year’s 2. 5’s not fantastic, but, last season, it puts him with Tony Gonzalez and Jermichael Finley.
The only difference between our TE list is where Witten is….and that’s mainly b/c I overlook the red zone because I value his blocking and you’re putting the premium on receiving/mismatch first.
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Maybe a rating like a QB rating but better? LOL :-)
Just thinking out loud but you bring a good point that there are a certain set of “duties” that a TE is asked to perform. If a quotient was given for each and then combined in a logical way then a rating of TE could be done.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jul 8, 2010 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions
V davis is definitely not in the same clas as Finley, talk about an insult.
GOnzalez and Gates are on the decline. Witten is the best all around TE, but Clark fits his system better than any on the list.
Clark 1, Witten 2, Davis 3, Daniels (HOU) 4, Gates 5, Gonzalez 6
Black Sand Ninja!!!
sooo
does davis get credit for being a great blocker?
Its strange that these rankings are coming from NFLN considering that their fantasy ratings have
VD ranked #3. What’s that all about?
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Wow.
I wouldnt even consider Jermichael Finley a top 5. Vernon proved last year that he is definitely top 5 maybe even top 3. (Just because he has put up 1 great season I cant rank him #1 yet) If he puts up similar or better numbers this year, then I think along with his blocking ability he takes the #1 spot no questions asked. Especially if he works on his drops. And another thing I find ridiculous. If were going off of top 5 Tight Ends heading into this season then this list is dumb. Tony Gonzalez is one of the greatest to ever play but he’s 34 years old. He’s only gonna slow down this year as he did last year. Here’s my list.
1. Antonio Gates.
2. Dallas Clark.
3. Tough choice here between Jason Witten and Vernon Davis but I think im gonna give it to VD.
4. Jason Witten.
5. Tony Gonzalez.
I could live with this list
Though I might put Tony G above Witten because Witten is less-effective in the red zone, but that’s a minor quibble. I think there’s no doubt Witten is one of the 5 best TEs in the league.
I also fully expect Owen Daniels to clinch a top 5 spot if he stays healthy all of 2010.
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I wouldn't be surprised if he has a 1000 yard year if he stays healthy
He had 39 catches for 497 yards and 5 TDs through 7 games last year. Then got injured on his first catch at the start of game 8.
He absolutely shredded us. 7 catches for 123 yards… 17.5 ypc avg.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jul 8, 2010 2:50 AM PDT up reply actions
My top 5
Witten
VD
Clark
Gonzales
Gates
Based my opinions on all around TE ability ie pass catching, blocking(run and pass), and production. Witten is a major asset in blocking and pass catching.
VD proved last year he is a beast as well but 1 year doesn’t give him the top spot for me(even though he is a Niner).
Then Dallas Clark because he produces year in and year out.
Then Gonzales rated slightly higher than Gates because of his experience.
Gates is no slouch either but they all can’t be #1’s.
Agree with smileyman’s serious issue with the list. Jermichael Finley is not on par with VD. That is outrageous.
I just can't rank a TE number one overall
who’s not scoring TDs. That’s one of the prime spots for a TE because he’s a mismatch over LBs and DBs.
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I get your point
But I’m not ranking him #1 just based on last year’s production. He’s always been a consistent producer in pass catching and his blocking abilities are the best in the NFL among TE’s.
He also always comes up with the biggest catches to sustain drives on 3rd downs and give his team a lift when they need it.
Wow
Greg Olsen anyone? 60 grabs for over 600, and 8 tds.
And did Kellen Winslow just disappear from the face of the earth? 77 catches for over 800 yards and 5 tds.
What do those two guys have in common? Hint: look at who’s throwing them the rock. I’m not sayin’ that Finley’s production is strictly a product of Aaron Rodgers (who we can all agree now is a stud), but I am sayin’ that it certainly helped in his production.
In other words, Finley isn’t worth of being in the top five, and worst, putting him in the same position as Vernon Davis is absurd.
I saw this ranking on t.v. as well, and was very surprised.
I like your list, Smileyman, but disagree with the inclusion of Finley for a 5th-place tie and the exclusion of guys like Winslow and Olsen.
by Waiting4JoshMorgan on Jul 7, 2010 7:02 PM PDT reply actions
Never been all that impressed with Winslow. I still think Finley deserves a #5 spot (or maybe just outside) based on his potential. Look at what he did in only 10 games as a starter—give him a full season and he’ll be a monster. Greg Olsen won’t do well in a Martz offense. Martz ignores tight ends as receiving options.
Really the Bears should trade Olsen and pick up a more traditional blocking tight end.
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Bears still have Desmond Clark
Maybe they can trade for Kleinsasser or Daniel Graham.
Coach Boone: And who's team is this, Gary? Is this your team? Or is this your daddy's team?
Bertier: Yours.
Coach Boone: Now get on the bus. Put on your jacket first and then get on the bus.
Oh
I forgot they already acquired Manumaleuna. They can just trade Olsen for more receivers then.
Coach Boone: And who's team is this, Gary? Is this your team? Or is this your daddy's team?
Bertier: Yours.
Coach Boone: Now get on the bus. Put on your jacket first and then get on the bus.
Blocking is not a consideration from that list.
Davis is the best blocker out of that list, and the fastest. Clark has Manning so he is a numbers machine, but not better than Davis. Whitten falls into that area too. Davis is the Best All Around TE money can buy.
I can't give a guy a #1 ranking
for one year of production. VD produces this season like he did last and he’ll easily move to the top
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That clip is used for EVERYTHING lol...
it’s funny cuz i had to watch the actual movie in my German 1 class and it’s pretty depressing…
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RAWR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCVy8sVqBm4
There was no foul on the play. I got so excited watching J-Dub run with his helmet off that I accidentally blew my whistle
Coach Boone: And who's team is this, Gary? Is this your team? Or is this your daddy's team?
Bertier: Yours.
Coach Boone: Now get on the bus. Put on your jacket first and then get on the bus.
Damn.
Don’t remember seeing that play. New respect for Witten. It’s like Madden says, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a guy run that far w/out a helmet. What a beast.
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by Young_To_Rice on Jul 7, 2010 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Shaun Hill did that too
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Jul 7, 2010 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions
The preseason play Madden was talking about at the end
was I’d bet money the play where Steve Young got his helmet ripped off and he took off running.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jul 8, 2010 3:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Wow, what a play!
I can’t believe he had the presence of mind to keep running after a blow to the head like that.
I can't wait for Mango's sig to say "0 days to go".
Right now
I think Witten is the best overall TE in the league in my opinion. Then Gates, then VD. As a career I give it to Gonzalez.. If VD has a yr like last he will vault to the top of the list but Finley will make his case also. VD is a freak of a athelete and if we can stay consistant QB play plus Crabs opening things up on the outside he will stack up on probowls barring injury.
Beat Em To The Punch - Bill Walsh
You know who's name hasn't been mentioned at all?
Brent Celek.
Granted, last year was his breakout season with 76 catches (8th among TEs, 2 fewer than VD), 971 yards (4th, 6 more yards than VD), 42 1st down receptions (6th, 2 more than VD) and 8 TDs (4th, 5 fewer TDs than VD). As you see, numbers are comparable to VD with 5 fewer drops and 11 fewer penalties……surely, Celek should get a mention, right?
"Lord, beer me strength."
I think it's the same argument as Davis though
like you said, last year was his breakout year. If Celek and Davis can build upon that, then yeah, they’ll get higher on that list. However, Celek is easily top 10 right now.
by ZeroOneInfinity on Jul 8, 2010 1:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Definitely
Better than J. Finley, obviously.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Jul 8, 2010 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
If no one knows about Celek....
especially with his new young QB…..I figure that may be a nice little fantasy steal.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Celek is a decent TE
but I’d put him outside the top 5, but within top 10. His production might suffer without McNabb. OTOH he might be a safety valve for a new QB like VD was for Alex.
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Interesting post...
from Chase Stuart over at FootballsGuys:
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=534976&view=findpost&p=11919780
Well, we're waiting....
(for David Carr)
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