49ers Training Camp: Kyle Williams at WR and on special teams
by David Fucillo on Aug 11, 2010 7:01 AM PDT
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PrintYesterday, the 49ers conducted a normal morning practice and then followed that up with a strictly special teams practice. One of the valuable aspects to that kind of dichotomy of practices is that we get to hear from multiple coaches. Yesterday, offensive coordinator Jimmy Raye spoke about the offense in the morning, and special teams coach Kurt Schottenheimer had some comments in the afternoon about the special teams units.
One of the players showing some promise is rookie wide receiver and return man Kyle Williams. Williams was a sixth round pick out of Arizona State who showed some flash in college. As to his receiving abilities, Raye said:
He's had more snaps the last two days because of some nicks at his position and he made a couple plays. He made a couple plays today. It looks to me, from what I've seen of him, that he has very good short range quickness and ability to drop his weight and change direction. He's very quick in and out of things and you have to get around him pretty quick because he can run off in a hurry and create some space. We're pleased with what he's done. We'll see how it goes and how he plays over there Sunday in the snaps he gets in Indianapolis.
As to Williams' return abilities, Coach Schottenheimer said:
Kyle has a lot of quickness and dart to him. He's got great maneuverability. He's going to get a lot of work in the preseason.
It sounds like his quickness off the snap on offense translates to the necessary quickness as a punt returner. It remains to be seen how many snaps he'll get at wide receiver. I'd imagine Crabtree and Morgan won't see a lot of time in this first game, meaning the snaps will be split between Jason Hill, Ted Ginn Jr, Williams, Brandon Jones (if his hamstring is healed), Dominique Zeigler, Kevin Jurovich, Bakari Grant, and Scott Long.
Jurovich, Grant, and Long will probably get nothing more than scraps in the fourth quarter. That leaves Hill, Ginn, Williams, Jones and Zeigler with the bulk of the snaps. Jones has had some hamstring issues, so he might be limited, and even if he's not limited by injury, he's likely to be limited by being buried on the depth chart.
Whatever the case may be, I'd suspect we'll see a lot of Kyle Williams this Sunday.
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been sayin all along
that K-Dub was going to be special. You can just tell…he has that confidence, he’s scrappy, not afraid to mix it up, go over the middle, etc. And he’s quick. I’m tellin you we had a heck of a draft (still not sure Byham makes it though) especially 3rd round and later with the value we got.
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I'm high on this kid
He’s got great hands and quickness and a great attitude. I think he’d be dynamite in the slot, and a real asset in a 3 WR 1 RB/TE set. I’m also pretty high on Ziegler, and to a lesser extent Hill and see monumental upside in Ginn. I wouldn’t even hate Jones if he weren’t the Travis Laboy of the offense. My hope is all these guys get their chances because I’m actually not all that high on Morgan.
Speaking of Ginn, watched some 09 highlight/lowlight footage of him yesterday, and noticed first and foremost just how much ability he has to separate against… anyone. I’ve never seen anyone with that much football speed before. I’ve seen explosiveness and quickness, a la Reggie Bush and many other notables. I’ve seen pull-away-from-db top speeds, a la Bo Jackson and Adrian Peterson. But I don’t know that I’ve ever seen anyone just Carl Lewis by people in three steps the way Ginn did on a few of those returns and routes. The guy can absolutely obliterate press coverage, as he showed against Revis.
Would be great for him and us if he learned to love contact and relatedly started catching the football a bit more/better.
toughness for Ginn
will come later. They are giving him only what he’s ready for and thus far they primarily want him to focus on the return game. If he wants to be in the WR rotation, fine, he has to prove it though. And if he’s going to wuss out on contact and/or drop passes, he won’t earn the right to be heavily relied upon until he remedies that. If he says he wants to toughen up, Sing and Co will help him do that.
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Love the photo
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by Mangoman on Aug 11, 2010 8:17 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
That or “Get off me, I told you I don’t go there!”
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Great stiff arm,
but bad ball handling. Juat waiting for a fumble
by ericalancanty on Aug 11, 2010 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions
think he was crossing the goal line, no?
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or going out of bounds
or both
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
williams wagon is the new vann wagon
im on it. cant wait till sunday. 10 days vacation got me fiending for some news. can i get a heads up an all injuries?
so far ive noticed-
heitmann
brooks
laboy
jones(like always)
bowman
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
bowmann??
What happened with him? I thought he was ok.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Aug 11, 2010 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Maiocco said he practiced today
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shoulder strain
minor. They’re taking it easy on everyone being the second week of camp and the preseason game coming up
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McKillop (season)
Balmer (ego, legal)
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thanks for the heads up.
ugly, but other than heitmann not miserable.
6 weeks would concern me more if i wasn’t pleased with bass last year.
I've been on the Kyle Williams bandwagon for a long time.
Once I saw his highlights I knew it was a mistake that we traded for Ginn because Williams is going to be so much better then Ginn and they both do the same things.
Williams is a better slant, over the middle receiver.
he’s quick, compact, tough. Ginn is long speed fast, straight line fast, VERY fast, but not an over the middle guy as much. I think Ginn also is better for KR than PR and Williams is the opposite.
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I think Williams is tough enough to run through the middle while I heard numerous accounts that Ginn was afraid of contact.
by manraj7 on Aug 11, 2010 9:19 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I would be afraid of contact
If I had those bony bird legs. Just send him up the sideline 5-10 times a game. Throw it to him about half of those times. That is all.
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
And he will drop half the passes thrown to him. I used to be high on Ginn but the William’s high consumed my confidence of Ginn.
by manraj7 on Aug 11, 2010 9:43 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
and he'll catch half too
and burn the DB, who will cheat deep after that, opening up run game and seam for VD, and the other side for Crabtree/Whomever.
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Williams is just as fast as Ginn and he won’t drop the ball. If Williams doesn’t avoid contact then we can get 5 more yards if the DB catches the WR.
by manraj7 on Aug 11, 2010 10:31 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
honestly
as much as I’m skeptical about Ginn…I don’t think there are many WR’s as fast as he is.
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I know
But in my fantasy Williams is just as fast. I just can’t wait to see them play.
by manraj7 on Aug 11, 2010 10:44 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
MEEEE EITHER
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So we got..
quick and we got fast (williams and ginn)…we got “I’m gonna get the ball and I’m gonna run it and you aren’t gonna catch me cuz I’ll evade you” (crabs) and we have “whoa look I’m blocking your defender like crazy…whoop..no now I’m out here catching a pass and taking it to the end zone” (davis)…shrugs I think I can deal with that. as our receiving corps :-) Let them think we’re a running team. Then let some of those boys out in the field to catch the ball. That’s fine with me and hey if we gotta run it..we have two new powerhouses added to the line. I hope they work the heck out of that line in the preseason giving them ample opportunity to get used to Baas in the middle and Davis on the right edge and let them get familiar and let Iupati learn to not get caught “tugging just a wee bit” :-) Is it Sunday yet? Heck is it even Saturday (that’s when the daughter brings over my fathers day gift of Madden LOL)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Aug 11, 2010 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions
don't forget the guy who I'm thinking is a lock to make roster
Zeigler who is: Hey look a pass that’s 5 feet over my head (and your’s too Mr. DB)…I’ll just jump up and snatch it out of the air.
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I watched the afternoon practice on Monday
And Williams was by far the best returner. Ginn was dropping a lot of balls, but when he caught them he looked good. Williams was catching everything and was just so fast through traffic, he was able to shift side to side a couple of yards without losing any forward momentum. I think it’s his job to lose.
As far as Kyle Williams seeing the field on offense, he is so short and small that he is a tough target to hit, but that also makes him a tough target to catch and cover. I can see him jumping in there at slot to change things up, but there is no way he can be a significant impact player on offense, but he can possibly be a good contributing player that touches the ball 1-3 times a game.
I think in 2-3 years
Williams will be making a very big impact on offense…to the tune of 6-7 TD’s a year.
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I actually really like Williams too...
I’m not as worried about his size as others are. As long as he runs good routes, his quickness should get him separation from the DBs, and he could be very productive. Small, fast receivers who can catch have definately made an impact in the NFL (DeSean Jackson, Santana Moss, Steve Smith…all are shorter than Williams). Not saying Williams will make that kind of an impact, but it’s definately not impossible. I’ve been pretty impressed with him since catching glimpses of him in college.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Aug 11, 2010 10:05 AM PDT reply actions
slot receiver
is the perfect role for him…I would love to see him lined up with crabs, j mo, and vd…i would mainly have him running slants and drags utilizing his quickness against linebackers and safetys who won’t be able to keep up with him as he runs across the field…on another note, got madden yesterday and the aforementioned Williams is not on there, don’t know what’s up with that?
by texasniner06 on Aug 11, 2010 12:40 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
WHAT?!?!
Ninjames! Have this corrected immediately!
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WR update
Scott Long was waived today and Central Missouri Mule WR Bobby Guillory was signed. Local kid from Jesse Bethel HS here in my hometown (Vallejo, CA). Looks like he was highly touted in college:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1sHpumQfvM&feature=related
He could get a good look but his size probably isn’t going to allow him to be a lot more than a camp body. Maybe PS material.
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I'll say it now
K-Dub and Zeigler make the team. Maiocco said this about Zeigler today:
Receiver Dominique Zeigler continues to impress. He made an outstanding leaping catch of a David Carr pass in the back of the end zone against good coverage from rookie cornerback Tramaine Brock.
Granted it was Tramaine Brock, but if he’s trying his damnedest to make the roster. I think the ship has sailed with Jones. And Hill could still make a case for himself, but I wouldn’t be surprised at all if we cut bait with him too.
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Madden 11 just did a roster up-date...
With Williams on the roster this time…..they rated him in the low 50’s. Anyone having problems with the game freezing. I created a gameplan over the 49ers gameplan and it keeps freezing if i use it. No freezing if i go default gameplan….sucks….glad they made something cool that is completely useless.
ok well...
His OVR could be like a 68 (lower AWR, CAR, BTK) but he should have 90’s SPD, ACC, 80’s CTH
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