49ers-Colts: Defensive Position Battles To Watch On Sunday
I was taking a look back at the "49ers training camp battles at the first turn" post I did on August 2, and it's amazing how quickly the defensive position battles changed fairly drastically. The defensive battles included the following:
Left Defensive End: Isaac Sopoaga vs. Kentwan Balmer vs. Ray McDonald
Starting Outside Linebackers: Parys Haralson vs. Manny Lawson vs. Ahmad Brooks
Backup Ted Linebacker: NaVorro Bowman vs. Scott McKillop
Of those three, for the short term the starting outside linebackers is set until Brooks' lacerated kidney heals. Scott McKillop's season ending injury called the backup Ted battle. Of course, Bowman has been a revelation in camp and probably would have won that battle anyways. I have to say I'm excited to see Bowman on Sunday. He's one guy to whom I plan on paying particularly close attention.
I'll move left defensive end to its own paragraph because of the bizarre and insane nature of the Kentwan Balmer saga. One day in the not too distant future, somebody will write an ode to this completely random and odd time in the life of the 49ers. At this point, given the player involved, I would argue fans are more perplexed and annoyed by the whole situation, as opposed to actually concerned. It's annoying to see a first round pick bust, but at this point, I just want to move past it. As I mentioned on the Stampede Blue podcast, we're talking about a reserve defensive lineman. It sucks, but whatever at this point.
Looking to Sunday
There are plenty of players that will be competing for some amount of playing time this Sunday. Looking at Matt Maiocco's projected depth chart for Sunday, there are numerous battles that will be available for our viewing pleasure.
Aside from Ray McDonald's battle for the left defensive end position, he'll be battling with Demetric Evans for the role of first defensive end off the bench to spell Sopoaga or Smith, but also for when the team goes to a four-man front on passing downs.
It will also be interesting to see what combinations of Reggie Smith, Taylor Mays, and Curtis Taylor we see in the secondary after Dashon Goldson and Michael Lewis hit the bench. Chris Maragos will get his licks as well, but I'm of the belief that Smith, Mays, and Taylor are the ones most likely to stick around into the season.
In looking over the defense, what players are you most excited to watch do battle on Sunday?
For me, Ricky Jean Francois will be doing a lot of dirty work, but I'm really quite excited to see how much he's improved based on all the talk coming out of camp. I could end up disappointed, but I'm still excited to see how he is doing. In the linebackers I'm excited to see NaVorro Bowman given all the talk of his performances in camp. And, of course, in the secondary I'd imagine everybody is excited to see Taylor Mays finally talk the field for the 49ers in real action.
What position battles and players are you going to be paying close attention to on Sunday?
After the jump I've posted Coach Manusky's post-practice media session.
Defensive Coordinator Greg Manusky
Post-Morning Practice - August 12, 2010
San Francisco 49ers
On the progression of the younger safeties:
"Pretty good. I think across the board from Taylor Mays to Reggie Smith to Curtis [Taylor] and Chris [Maragos], I think they're doing a great job listening to their [secondary] coach Vance Joseph and doing the things we need them to do out there - making plays and still progressing just like camp is all the time. I'm excited to see them play in their first preseason game."
On S Taylor Mays' extra work:
"He's always the guy at the end of the meetings sitting in there. I always ask him questions when everybody else leaves and that's always a good sign. He's a perfectionist, you can see that already. That's the one thing you can never judge when you have kids coming out. I love his heart, love his desire and want to be good. So it's always a plus."
On what the major issue is with him:
"I think it's the learning. I think it's always the learning, learning the system. We actually had a conversation last night. I said even though people told you when you played, wherever it might be, they have different technique and fundamentals that might be related to their defense. So when you come to an organization that's new, even though you were taught these certain things, which is fine for their defense they play, it doesn't match what we want. I said, even from a coaches perspective if we leave here and go somewhere else, you kind of have to erase that board and start fresh and new and learn exactly what we want them to do. So, that's what he's doing and he's doing a good job of it."
On an example of his way versus USC's way:
"In part a lot with his eyes and what he's supposed to be looking at. I mean, maybe they have some different technique or different footwork. There are a lot of things that are involved, a lot of details that go into each practice. Sometimes they don't get that in college because of the 20-hour rule. A lot of technique and fundamentals that a lot of young players come out they don't have is because they don't have the time like we do in the OTAs and in the whole offseason programs. These kids develop and once that light clicks on, it's phenomenal."
On whether he has decided how many series the starters will play:
"We spoke briefly, Coach Sing [Singletary] and I. You'll probably see the starters playing one or two series based upon how long those series go. Basically, that's what you'll see out of the starting unit."
On DT Khalif Mitchell:
"I always tell them this is always the starting point when we put the depth chart up there until pretty much the first preseason game and you go through. Right now he's starting, not starting at end, but he's playing end on the left side behind [DT] Isaac [Sopoaga] and [DT] Ray [McDonald]. Now, that doesn't mean he can't be pushed back inside at nose. For younger players like that who are developing, even though we like him at one position, just for me as a backup player when I played, you have to know all of them."
On whether playing defensive end is more natural for Mitchell:
"I think so. The reason why is because he's a bigger body guy that's a little bit more quick twitch, has some power and speed that can relate from the power to speed. I think that's the position where he's the best at right now because he's spent more time at it too."
On the sack totals last season and his scheme:
"I would love to have the ultimate two pass rushers off the end of course, but for the most part it's the system and it's also the guys that are running it, especially on third down situations with [DT] Justin [Smith] and [DT] Ray McDonald. They're unselfish players. They don't care who really gets the sack as long as we succeed and do well. That's what I love about those guys inside."
On the unselfish play of the defensive line:
"There's a couple of pool games which you're not allowed to do, but whatever. Just grabbing guys arms and pulling those guys and letting the other guys get freed up. Unselfish in the sense of that, wishing that the other guys get pressure on the quarterback, taking two guys. That's what I'm talking about."
On whether they'll be able to get away with things on the line after having the umpire in a different position on the field this season:
"We don't teach those types of things here. We teach quality football."
On the type of adjustments they have to make without Kentwan Balmer at camp:
"Kentwan's a different situation. Coach Sing deals with that, I coach the guys that are out here on the practice field. That's my job. This is a job analysis and that's what I do. I coach the guys that are out here. I don't know what's going on with him. But from an adjusting standpoint, we're going to fly another defensive line person in here and he'll be playing defensive end for us."
On whether he's looking for one side in particular:
"Not really, we're just looking to get somebody in here that has some quality to them and get him in here so he could hopefully practice and suit up for Sunday."
On who that is:
"Don't know right now."
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Tukuafu
I hope he plays in this game but I don’t know what kind of shape he’s in. He has been cut since June 28th I believe? He has a motor on him though and if he can get in the game it should be interesting to see how he can do.
"They can’t stop us. Throw in our other weapons, and it’s over. What are they gonna do? There ain’t nothing they can do. It’s over." - Vernon Davis
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I’d hope he kept in shape, I mean he’s on the fringe to get picked up you’d think he’d make the most of his chances by being ready for a phone call.
I know what I'm talking about, I started at right guard for the 1992 College Park Falcons.
by Johnnysixnut on Aug 13, 2010 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah
but something tells me a rookie’s idea of being in NFL shape versus what the team would actually put him through in an off-season conditioning program, OTA’s, mini-camps, etc. are two different things.
"They can’t stop us. Throw in our other weapons, and it’s over. What are they gonna do? There ain’t nothing they can do. It’s over." - Vernon Davis
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Hey tre its jaydubb415,i see the niners signed a 2yr deal with tukuafu,can you
tell me a little about him (i’m almost embaressed that i don’t know more) and what you think about him?
by 49er_diva_recieva's on Aug 13, 2010 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Rookie Free Agent from Oregon
converted from LB to DE Senior year. Ran a slow 40 time too and thus didn’t get drafted. Spent time on the Seahawks roster before falling victim to the numbers game early in the summer. He’s got a motor, shedded blocks and penetrated, read plays well in college. Of course this is a new dance floor in the NFL and it’s likely he’ll end up on the Practice Squad if he clears waivers.
"They can’t stop us. Throw in our other weapons, and it’s over. What are they gonna do? There ain’t nothing they can do. It’s over." - Vernon Davis
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At USC
Mays was nothing but a cheap shot artist.
/Bitter Cal Fan’d
"Dodger fans aren’t happy when foul balls get into their section, because it interferes with their playing with the beachball"- Mike Krukow
I'm more curious about our offense, especially the OL, but will be checking out all position battles listed on defense...
Plus CB. Obviously Spencer and Clements are the starters while Brown is the #3, and that’s all locked down done and dusted. But I’m pretty keen on the pitched battle for the 4th and possibly final CB between Paymah, James, Adams and the dark horse, Stoudamire. Unfortunately, injuries amongst veteran corners are common and this could be an important one.
Barber had James lighting it up yesterday, which is what the fans like to see given how little regard they collectively have for Paymah (myself included) and how happy they’d be not to have that liability in a key role if one of our guys goes down (Maiocco has him ahead of James on the depth chart, and he is a 1st team special teamer, but James could obviously still change all that with some good play). It would be interesting though if Adams could beat them both out, or even Stoudamire though given the preference given to draft picks, that’s even less likely.
I still don’t see how the team keeps 5CBs this year, but then I can’t exactly call myself an expert on these matters. Relatedly, also interested to see if the first unit gets any time in the dime who’s the 6th or 7th DB. From what I’m reading it’d be Smith then Mays, but the last two could be reversed, and we could see another corner instead. We shall see.
Interested to see RJF and McDonald as well as the new guy Tukuafu, in the unlikely event he gets any snaps. Not interested to see Smith/Willis/etc. because I’ll be freaked out about injuries until they’re off the field.
Don’t know about all y’all, but I’m ready for some football.
you know
that 4th CB role is interesting. He has to play ST’s…especially with the WR’s I think they’ll keep. If it’s James, he doesn’t play ST’s much that I know of. That could mean a 5th CB DOES make it and maybe Curtis Taylor get’s the axe or 1 FB, 6 DL’s, etc.
"They can’t stop us. Throw in our other weapons, and it’s over. What are they gonna do? There ain’t nothing they can do. It’s over." - Vernon Davis
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you make a good point
The number of permutations of roster gymnastics here is pretty mind bending. I am a sufficient nerd to have created a spreadsheet though, and note that your math checks out.
As your scenario goes I can see them wanting to keep James enough to juggle the roster to get the ST coverage, as you say, which could mean a 5th CB. In that mix, I can see 6 DL, in fact would bet on that regardless. Could also see Taylor getting the axe, but still think it unlikely. I couldn’t see 1FB under any circumstances short of new significant injuries. My guess is they’d go to 8OL if they wanted to keep a 5th CB, even though with Heitmann’s injury that seems implausible. Hear me out:
They have to keep either Sims or Boone, otherwise Snyder becomes the only reserve that can play tackle (extremely poorly), and God forbid he becomes the guy responsible for Smith’s blindside. We’ll go through QBs like Wilt Chamberlain goes through prophylactics. But they could cut Wragge, even though he’ll be their only proven reserve center until Heitmann comes back because Wallace is toast. It’s a risk but one the team might figure it can afford- Heitmann is supposed to be coming back early in the season and bone breaks are pretty reliable injuries.
In the meantime, worst case scenario, they could put Snyder in at center with an injury to Baas before Heitman comes back. He has experience at tackle and guard, so knows the drill and the calls, and took some snaps there in the offseason. Plus I’m pretty sure they want Taylor on the squad, which I don’t think they want to do given the uncertain future with the team of both Lewis and Goldson, and his considerable potential, (Taylor is on the 1st team kick coverage as well, which is kind of a Rosetta Stone for the team’s thinking).
Of course, they might decide that Hill can handle the ST role that would’ve gone to the 5th CB and prefer him on there so it’s possible the team goes 6WR and still 4CB. As I say, the possibilities can do your head in.
good point
4 CB’s and 6 WR’s with Hill playing ST’s, and Zeigler too, plus KW and Ginn are returners…so that justifies everyone’s existence.
Still it seems we’ll be cutting a talented group no matter what we do and a lot of them will get snatched up right away. Maiocco will be on top of those stories.
"They can’t stop us. Throw in our other weapons, and it’s over. What are they gonna do? There ain’t nothing they can do. It’s over." - Vernon Davis
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I'm intrested 2 see how coffee looks sometimes i think he takes a unfair pounding
sometimes i’m anxious 2 see how he looks,also want 2 see how clements looks since it was in indy when he got benched or injured i don’t know just want see how he looks since the injury.
by 49er_diva_recieva's on Aug 13, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m right there with you on Bowman, I liked the pick and I’m excited to see him turn on the burners and yeah, I think everyone is hyped about Mays.
On offense, I’m going to be watching the big guys. If Iupati can live up to my expectations based on his stellar Madden 11 season so far he could be the first O-Lineman to get ROY honors, he’s just flattening everyone in the running game.
Seriously though, I’ll be watching the big guys. Center will be interesting as well as the rookies, I can live with some growing pains/mistakes, but I’m hoping to see them push guys off the ball in the run game, if not I’ll be concerned.
I know what I'm talking about, I started at right guard for the 1992 College Park Falcons.
there will be plenty of bright spots
but there will be some blemishes too
"They can’t stop us. Throw in our other weapons, and it’s over. What are they gonna do? There ain’t nothing they can do. It’s over." - Vernon Davis
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Coffee is AWOL now
at least, as far as the beat reporters are concerned.
Trade brewing?
"They can’t stop us. Throw in our other weapons, and it’s over. What are they gonna do? There ain’t nothing they can do. It’s over." - Vernon Davis
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wtf....why would he Retire in just his 2nd year
This dont make no god damn sense. I hope the players isnt losing faith in SING
Seriously>?
You say this the day after VD says that Sing was the best thing that ever happened to him?
We have a guy who’s never done anything quitting and a 3rd round pick that’s retired for some unknown reason.
That’s two players out 80 that are at camp right now.
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