2010 49ers Preseason: The Nate Davis Conundrum
by David Fucillo on Aug 16, 2010 10:30 AM PDT
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PrintAt this point in Nate Davis' young career, there seem to be three basic camps (with some folks crossing here and there). The first camp loves Nate Davis and thinks he should be a starter at this point, or should be a lot closer to being a starter. They see what he's done in the preseason, and then also what he did in his time at Ball State, and they see a guy who is further along than folks think.
The second camp is the opposite end of the spectrum. They figure that while he's put up solid numbers in college and in the preseason, it's always been against lesser competition. At Ball State it was the MAC, and in the preseason it's against 3rd and 4th string players. The third camp is somewhere in the middle and seems more inclined to just want the best players out there and don't swing heavily one way or the other on the Nate Davis question.
Yesterday against the Colts, Nate Davis was 5 of 6 for 84 yards. One of those completions was really incomplete, but Davis was able to hurry up the offense to prevent any challenge of the play. A smart play in a generally solid performance by Davis.
Even if you're part of the crowd that doesn't think Davis will ever amount to anything significant, isn't it time to use the preseason to potentially get a better idea? I don't mean he should be playing with the first stringers, but for evaluation purposes, should he maybe start getting a bit more of that second quarter time? The team has to figure out David Carr as well, but if you're thinking long-term, wouldn't Nate Davis have more upside than Carr? I'm not saying Davis should be the backup in 2010, but rather, why not use the preseason a bit more efficiently in that respect?
At this point Davis has shown some talent and has made some pretty solid throws in his brief time with the 49ers. It hasn't been against the highest level of competition and I won't challenge anybody on that. However, he's had some very impressive moments in 5 preseason games. Even if you don't think he's a long term answer and you don't think he's doing it against crap competition, I just don't think you can tell me with a straight face that he hasn't looked pretty decent in the preseason.
Given that, shouldn't the 49ers see what else he can do in expanded preseason situations? I don't know if I'm wording my thoughts all that well, but hopefully you get what I'm trying to say. Nate Davis may not be "Our Future," but the 49ers owe it to themselves to get a better idea of this idea while the games still don't count.
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There's really no question about the depth
1. Smith
2. Carr
3. Davis
Davis did his damage against the third string defense of the Indianapolis Colts, but besides taking a few sacks in the first few series David Carr did what he needed to do and looked impressive.
K, so i don’t see the problem with putting Nate out there against a starting defense in the preseason
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
The only time that we might see a different depth chart
is in the 4th preseason game, when it might be like this:
1) David Carr
2) Nate Davis
3*) Alex Smith (rest)
Not saying I agree with this, because it’s pretty clear to me that David Carr has basically no upside (just holds onto the ball waaay too long), and Davis has…well…some upside (hard to tell how much)—which would mean that it’d make more sense to give Davis more reps than Carr.
However, if the Niners are thinking about who will be a better short term backup QB, going with Carr makes some sense, because he’s been around the league long enough to diagnose coverages and etc.
I guess what I’m saying is that it makes sense to continue grooming Davis, see what he looks like next year, and potentially elevate him if he really starts to show up in practices.
First Balmer, now Coffee...who knew McBooFoo had such an eye for quitters?
I'd be fine with that
I just would like to see Davis against tougher competition in the preseason to see what they really have… because it’s been like beating a dead horse with the fact Davis ahsn’t played against a starting defense.
But yea, has he made any progress? Fact is, i just see him as someone who only really fell in the draft due to the fact he’s got a problem with learning a playbook, he has the skills, just has to learn a playbook… but yea, he’s definitely in my opinion the better of the backups when it comes to Carr vs. Davis
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
Yea me 2 he's done well against basically ''vanilla''defenses i would like
2 see if he can read better defenses.Can i ask ya’ll question ,who was the last ’’white’’ QB 2 come out of college that was said 2 have a ‘’learning disability’‘n if so where is he now ?The reason why i ask that is because it seems 2 harm more black QBs in the long run yet lol i don’t know the last white QB 2 have that said about them.Now don’t get in your feelings im not screaming racist or prejudice i just would like 2 know thats it thats all?
by 49er_diva_recieva's on Aug 16, 2010 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
That being said i think nate davis is coming along well and im so glad the
niners took a chance on him because i think he will be cool n 4 those who feel he hasn’t played no real comp in the MAC conference big ben ,philip rivers,even leftwich has all led their teams 2 he playoffs with big ben going and winning 2 SBs well really 1 the refs gave them the other.So me personally i like MAC QBs they have a chip on their shoulder because of playing in the MAC.
by 49er_diva_recieva's on Aug 16, 2010 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Probably Jeff George
He had 10X the measurables that Davis does but damn that dude was dumb.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 16, 2010 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
His wonderlic backs me up
George had a 10…
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 16, 2010 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Jeff George was a pretty underrated quarterback from basically 1994 forward. Dude had some real problems with authority, but he could play. When he finally got his head straightened out in Minnesota in 1999, I was rooting hard for him.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 16, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
We did have Druckenmiller for a minute, there...
I don’t know if he had a diagnosed learning disability like Davis, or just a severe case of stupid. Whatever it was, he actually showed less than Davis has.
once they're comfortable with Carr
they should put Davis in early in a PS game, maybe alternate series, something. Problem with making hm 2nd string in the 4th game is that most teams aren’t playing starters much on defense either…so you still have nothing much to take away from it. All he can do is do a good job with what he’s got and make the most of his reps in practice. I don’t think he’s very far from Carr though.
"They can’t stop us. Throw in our other weapons, and it’s over. What are they gonna do? There ain’t nothing they can do. It’s over." - Vernon Davis
Let's talk on Twitter
I'd be fine with that
I just would like to see Davis against tougher competition in the preseason to see what they really have… because it’s been like beating a dead horse with the fact Davis ahsn’t played against a starting defense.
But yea, has he made any progress? Fact is, i just see him as someone who only really fell in the draft due to the fact he’s got a problem with learning a playbook, he has the skills, just has to learn a playbook… but yea, he’s definitely in my opinion the better of the backups when it comes to Carr vs. Davis
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
WOW, so good of a post i needed to post it TWICE, my bad
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
thought from yesterday
Peyton Manning is better that Alex Smith, David Carr is better than Curtis Painter, and Nate Davis might be better than all of them in 5 years. (providing Manning retires or slides in his ability)
by remembertheCATCH on Aug 16, 2010 10:39 AM PDT reply actions
Davis might be better than the last 3
but obviously you joke about Manning. He’s up in Montana’s echelon…so…
"They can’t stop us. Throw in our other weapons, and it’s over. What are they gonna do? There ain’t nothing they can do. It’s over." - Vernon Davis
Let's talk on Twitter
as in saying:
I’m better than Joe Montana if I throw one pass in the NFL because he’s not throwing any passes in the NFL anymore?
"They can’t stop us. Throw in our other weapons, and it’s over. What are they gonna do? There ain’t nothing they can do. It’s over." - Vernon Davis
Let's talk on Twitter
Exactly
Right now I’m a better writer than Ernest Hemingway and closer to conquering Egypt than Julius Ceasar.
by bignerd on Aug 16, 2010 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
What exactly did he do in Egypt? I recall him installing his hand chosen government in Egypt. It kept Egyptians in charge to run the day to day operations but all noteworthy decisions where vented in Rome, including very favorable trade contracts. That was sorta Roman standard operating procedure for running that empire.
Yeah, you have it pretty true in general. Rome loved to let countries they took over run themselves until it came to big decisions. This made it seem like Rome was far away and not in their face. It also cut down on bureaucracy. This policy was pretty consistent until about mid-Emperor times, when tax rates became more fixed and cities more developed to be like Rome.
Egypt under Caesar, however, is sort of an exception. When Caesar went to Egypt, he was in the middle of fighting a civil war with Gnaeus Pompey Magnus (everybody just calls him Pompey). As Caesar had actually arrived in Egypt, though (Pompey had fled their after he had lost a battle in Greece), he found that the Egyptians had killed Pompey. Because Caesar and Pompey had been friends, Caesar declared this a travesty and killed one of the two ruling Emperors, leaving Cleopatra in charge (Egypt, at the time, was ruled by a brother and sister / husband and wife pair—weird, I know). Essentially what had happened is Cleopatra woo’ed Caesar (they totally boned and had a kid) into killing her brother/husband. This way she had complete control of Egypt and he had a sweet mistress who would be loyal to Rome.
what a coincidence.
i am also on the verge of conquering Egypt. should we work together, or fight to the death over a giant sandbox?
When life gives you fruit, add a bunch of sugar to it.
I'll just wait for you to overeat and die
and then squabble over what you’ve already conquered
Logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority
overeat or overheat?
because i can’t imagine Egypt has great food.
When life gives you fruit, add a bunch of sugar to it.
I agree Fooch, good piece, because it really describes many of us here, i kinda consider myself part of the 3rd group where i’m on the fence about it. I went to a MAC school, saw him play against my school, and we absolutely got manhandled. But MAC competition is so pathetic nowadays it’s not worth taking anything away from that.
But he’s kinda doin the same thing almost from what he did in college, spreading the field and the one thing i like about Nate Davis is his arm, he’s got by far the strongest arm on the team. I’m hopeful for what Nate Davis can do, and really think he should be given a shot at a first string defense to see what he’s really capable in preseason.
What i hope will happen?
1. Smith
2. Davis
3. Carr
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
+1
Davis should be the backup. He knows the playbook better than Carr. They both looked good but Carr is a sack magnet,.
by ericalancanty on Aug 16, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
umm… I wouldn’t say Davis knows the playbook better than Carr
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
I don’t even know if Carr and Davis could say who knows the playbook better. This is pure speculation.
Anyway dude its 2 hot outside 2 argue ''no harm no foul''well just leave
it at tat is that cool 4 you?
by 49er_diva_recieva's on Aug 16, 2010 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Why because you think he's dumb thats why i asked who was the last ''white''QB
2 come out of college with rumors of a learning disability n where is he now just 2 compare n i say ’’rumor’’ because it still hasn’t been proved defiently that he has 1 .
by 49er_diva_recieva's on Aug 16, 2010 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Of the top of my head, Terry Bradshaw had ADHD. I am sure there were more white quarterbacks with learning disabilities. This isn’t a race thing man. Don’t be inflammatory.
Its obvious you didn't read my whole comment where i said this is not about
‘’racial or prejudice’‘i just wanted 2 know ’’‘read everything ’’i say b4 you ‘’ Fly off the bleeping handle’’did you read my first comment ha did you?
by 49er_diva_recieva's on Aug 16, 2010 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
By the way this is ''America''n i can basicaly say what the '''bleep i want''
but i wasn’t bringing that up 2 be a race like you who take something like that b4 reading everything i said n ‘’blow it up ’’more than what it was suppossed 2 be!!!!
by 49er_diva_recieva's on Aug 16, 2010 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Ok folk's let's just try and remember ...
.. that this is a sport’s blog for all our entertainment , and not to be owned by the difference of opinion’s , let’s play nice …!!
Gotta love a woman that wear's knee pad's to work ...!!
Thats true thats why its done u know its ironic that a dude who's'
online name is ’’edggy’’is telling us 2 chill out lol’
by 49er_diva_recieva's on Aug 16, 2010 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Well my user name use to be Smooth Criminal ....
… but after Three yr’s in prison , i couldn’t justify using it any more …!! (Ha!)
Gotta love a woman that wear's knee pad's to work ...!!
You can’t actually say what the bleep you want here. David and the moderators can delete any comments that we don’t think belong here and we can ban any posters who aren’t contributing.
The race question with Davis and other black quarterbacks is something that is going to come up. Up I would hope that, rather than ignoring it, we can discuss it in useful ways.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 16, 2010 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
It's not just on this board that you can't say anything you want...
There’s the ubiquitous example that you can’t yell “FIRE” in a crowded auditorium. There’s a crime on the books called “Inciting to Riot”, causing a riot through what you say:
525.040 Inciting to riot.
(1) A person is guilty of inciting to riot when he incites or urges five (5) or more
persons to create or engage in a riot.
(2) Inciting to riot is a Class A misdemeanor.
So, NO, even in America you CANNOT say anything you want… and “hatespeak” (which what 49er_diva_receivas’ said was, IN SPITE OF HIS PROTESTATIONS to the contrary) is the most vile of all…
After all was said and done, a lot more got said than done.
i'm pretty sure he's not actually black.
i know he looks like it in the picture at the top of the page, but in most pictures he looks more along the lines of Native American or something.
When life gives you fruit, add a bunch of sugar to it.
Honestly, I have the hardest time understanding your posts in the first place. I’m not trying to be offensive—the way you type is your decision. That being said, if you type in such an unconventional manner, you have to expect people to misunderstand you.
Anyway, I don’t think my post really counts as “fly[ing] off the bleeping handle.”
Did you read my first comment were i said im not asking this because
i feel it a racial or prejudice thing i just wanted 2 know so i can compare did you read that yes or no?
by 49er_diva_recieva's on Aug 16, 2010 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
All im saying read everything i said b4 you ''ass u me''thats all im saying
by 49er_diva_recieva's on Aug 16, 2010 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Did you get that ''did you roger that''?
by 49er_diva_recieva's on Aug 16, 2010 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Anyway its done your switching so many ''subjects''i can't keep up
all you had 2 dude was say ‘’my badd’‘i didn’t read your first comment where i ’’CLEARLY’’said i wasn’t asking that question because i think its a racial or prejudice thing i just wanted 2 compare.Just be a ’’man’’n say i jumped the gun but if thats 2 much 4 you 2 do then thats cool but don’t try n switch it up n say its a ’’grammer’’thing when you had no problem reading it when you ‘’Ass u me d’‘that i was binging it up because of race.Wow if its that hard 4 you 2 swallow your pride then i’ll do it 4 you its all good just read everything b4 you take it there because you can blow it up when it was supposd 2 be,did you understand that?
by 49er_diva_recieva's on Aug 16, 2010 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not responding to the whole race thing
but I’m reading this thread and I have to agree with what WesHanson said that it’s difficult to understand what you’re saying.
I’m not trying to be offensive or anything, but it would help if you would write what you mean more clearly and avoid slang or internet speak.
Proud member of the "Bring Back Semenov" Club
He knew what he was saying he just '''jumped the gun''
+ did anyone was ask 4 your 2 cents,no serious did any ’’bleeping’’body say hey ’’PNK’’blah blah this blah blah that ,no.So keep your nose out of other people ’’bleep’’.Mind your ’’bleeping’’buisness serious dude mind your ’’bleeping’’buisiness the bleep was dying down so stay the ’’bleep’’ out of it.Feel free 2 add whatever words you want on all the ’’’bleeps’’
by 49er_diva_recieva's on Aug 16, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
For the record, I didn’t “jump the gun.” This isn’t a pride thing. I will readily admit that previously you tried to ask a question without being racially insensitive. No pride. The issue was that the first time I read your comment, which I did read before posting, I honestly had no idea what you said, and I did think you were accusing the 49er organization, coaching staff, whatever of not playing Davis because he is black, not over his learning disability, skill level, etc. Honestly, I had to read your original post very closely about 3 times before I had a grasp on what you are trying to say.
I’m an English major; clearly I am going to privilege structured language and grammar over a more unconventional style of writing. Not only that, but I am used to ready essays that are hyper-sensitive to literary standards, so your method of writing is a far cry from the writing I am familiar with.
No pride here. I simply misunderstood you. We don’t need to over-react about this.
I can understand him fine
you can tell the words he meant to say, he just types other words that kinda sound like the one he meant…not a big deal, kinda like reading some kids’ writing when you know what they mean to say but they pick the wrong word sometimes…
"They can’t stop us. Throw in our other weapons, and it’s over. What are they gonna do? There ain’t nothing they can do. It’s over." - Vernon Davis
Let's talk on Twitter
I actually do find it to be a huge problem for reading comprehension, tbh.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 16, 2010 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
we must interpret information differently then
"They can’t stop us. Throw in our other weapons, and it’s over. What are they gonna do? There ain’t nothing they can do. It’s over." - Vernon Davis
Let's talk on Twitter
I guess we must.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 16, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Well maybe thats a good thing because honestly
it didn’t have !#$ 2 do with you,did you get that did you understand that n just like i told PNK feel free 2 add whatever word you want as far as !#$.Now that was meant 4 you.
by 49er_diva_recieva's on Aug 16, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Fact is, dude, if you type like that then people are always going to complain about you typing like that. Your choices are simple:
1) Stop typing like that.
2) Deal with it.
Getting mad about it every time it happens isn’t going to do anybody any good. But mostly, it wastes your time because it’s not going to change anything. If you can’t handle some criticism for it, then stop doing it. If you can deal with it, then go nuts.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 16, 2010 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
First your totally ''missing the point''this was about
him totally missing the point n making it a racial thing when it wasn’t .Second i just heard someone say this is a sports site now were talking about ’’typing’’were talking about ’’typing’’lmao hold on were talking about typing lmao.Oh my GOD were talking about ’’typing’’lmao
by 49er_diva_recieva's on Aug 16, 2010 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
for anyone who doesn't understand this
to me, it’s a clear spoof of the “practice?!?! we’re talkin about practice?!?” rant. anyone else get that?
"They can’t stop us. Throw in our other weapons, and it’s over. What are they gonna do? There ain’t nothing they can do. It’s over." - Vernon Davis
Let's talk on Twitter
I’m not missing the point. I just joined the subthread at a point where the point had changed. At this line of comments, people were complaining about your typing. Then you got defensive about it. In my experience, that conversation only goes in one direction and it’s always a stupid one.
The race stuff is part of a different conversation at this point. As long as we’re talking about your method of typing, the resolution is basically as easy as: More power to you as long as you can take a little heat for it without blowing up.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 16, 2010 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Also, it’s a sports website that exists almost entirely in a typed medium. So, yeah, we’re talking about typing. It is literally relevant to the conversation.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 16, 2010 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions
How you think Nate Davis will do for his career howie?
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
I have no idea. He’s obviously a rough prospect with talent, but the numbers on late-round picks don’t project favorably as a rule. I certainly hope the best for him, though.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 16, 2010 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
NICE! haha, you and i can agree on him… i mean, look, might have been a late round pick, mostly due to the fact he’s a MAC QB plus the learning disability had something to do with it as well…
But either way, i hope he can do something this preseason and or make a good impression outside of gameday and translate it to practice. He has a chance to become something special, given his talent
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
I think it’s encouraging that, from a scouting perspective, he was projected as high as the second round at some points pre-draft. The fact is, though, that very few of us have seen him do anything altogether meaningful on a football field. His college experience is getting to the point where it’s going to be moot, and his preseason performances pale in comparison to the work he’s putting in behind the scenes. The only people who have a good idea about what he can do right now, and what he might be able to do in the future are the coaches.
But it should be clear to anybody with eyes that he is both talented and still quite raw. There are positives and negatives in all of his scouting reports. But it should also be clear that the odds are stacked against him at this point.
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 16, 2010 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
EXACTLY
this is why i trust what the coaches are doing and how they’re handling him. They’re basically saying “OK, the kid has a ton of potential, we just don’t want to push the issue” So they’re basically having him play a few games, letting him do what he does. And giving him time to learn and not rush him.
He does have a ton of talent, he can move the ball when needed, has a hell of an arm, this is why i would like to see him against a 1st team D, just to see what he’s capable of, only in preseason
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
I happen to agree with those discussiny diva's typing
diva, if you don’t want people to miss your point, and if you want people to take your opinion more seriously and give credibility to what you post here, learn to present yourself in a more comprehensible fashion. It’s an invaluable life skill….
After all was said and done, a lot more got said than done.
Oldjock im going 2 be totally ''honest''
i couldn’t give a ’’’s!@t’’what you or anybody else on this website feel about my typing,writing,or comments,that the dead honest truth.So stop waisting your words thats 4 real ,i don’t know why white people get so touchy when anything about race comes up my homie(who happens 2 be white n twisting a fatty) has been laughing his ass of the last 30 minutes how 1 little comment that wasn’t a racial or prejudice thing in the first place could sprout up n grow like some weeds.So save your typing or your grammer lessons 4 someone who gives a ’’bleep’’your waisting your time n energy 4 nothing n thats the straight up truth PERIOD!!!
by 49er_diva_recieva's on Aug 16, 2010 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
It's "wasting", not "waisting"...
After all was said and done, a lot more got said than done.
http://www.ninersnation.com/2010/8/16/1625084/2010-49ers-preseason-the-nate#44520030
"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff
by howtheyscored on Aug 16, 2010 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
diva, you keep reiterating that it wasn't racial....
Almost every defendant in court, including those who are as guilty as sin, claim to be innocent. In spite of your incessant denials, the question was awash with racism. Deny it all you want, it doesn’t change anything…
After all was said and done, a lot more got said than done.
Possibly, but i have no idea, but either way, one’s issues with the brain shouldn’t have anything to do with their performance on the field, if the dude can play, then by all means, play him, but that’s for the Coaches to decide
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
When it comes down to him not knowing the play that is called however
Then it becomes an issue. And this has happened several times in camp.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 16, 2010 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Yep, i can definitely see that happening in a game situation... and that
is not comforting at all… but this is why i would like to see him regardless against a 1st team D
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
and I'm alright with having him play the 2nd quarter in the 3rd or 4th game
and letting Carr take the second half. Carr should be the #2 for 3 games and let Davis get a shot in 1.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 16, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
This
I want Davis as the primary backup.
The San Fransisco 49ers, where got Dix, VD and Crabs!
by Badly Browned on Aug 16, 2010 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
FOR THE TIME BEING
Unless he can fully prove to the coaching staff that he’s capable
His name is Bond, Brock Bond, and his adopted father? ME, any questions?
this is really a two pronged problem
first : we’ve gotta see what smith does in his second year running an offense.
if he fails to make progress, chances are he is gone AND raye is gone (which might not be terrible)
second: nate davis struggles to learn schemes. if raye is gone, here comes a new scheme- hence the same problems again (possibly worse) than those we dealt with with smith.
honestly i think he’s a quality player-probably not the best learner.
Much worse than Smith
When they are talking about Smith needing to know the scheme inside and out its because he needs to know everybody’s assignment and wants to be able to audiblize in and out of every play. Nate just straight up needs to learn enough to grasp the playbook a bit.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 16, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
I went to Ball State and had the privilege of watching Nate dominate the MAC for three seasons. Obviously, David Carr is still the clear cut #2 guy, but what harm could come of letting Nate play with the second team offense for a preseason game or two?
Thank you so much 4 saying that its like some people throw away his college success
at ball.st the same MAC conference that got big ben and phillip rivers drafted in the 1st rd why is it that we could include their success in college and basically ’’’Poo Poo’’nates this is the same MAC that pittsburgh n san diego had enough confidence 2 take those QBs early 1st rd its not fair 2 nate n all because a learning disability ’’rumor’’
by 49er_diva_recieva's on Aug 16, 2010 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Nate Davis =/= Phillip Rivers or Big Ben lol
I could say Tim Tebow is from the same conference as Payton Manning too.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 16, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
diva, Phillip Rivers played at North Carolina State, which is in the ACC, NOT the MAC
After all was said and done, a lot more got said than done.
You right thank you 4 straghtning that up ,i don't know what i would do with out you?
Serious i don’t know where i would be ’’’with out you’’
by 49er_diva_recieva's on Aug 16, 2010 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree with this
It’s possible the 49ers already know what they have and don’t need to see him in the #2 role in preseason. The beat writers keep claiming it’s the classroom where Nate Davis will earn the backup QB role, not preseason contests.
From the moment Carr was signed and Hill was released
I’ve had the major concern that Davis will be 3rd string all year and once again get more time as a scout team CB than snaps at QB.
If it was still Hill they wouldn’t need to get him the snaps, but since it’s Carr they do. It was just such a knife to Davis’ potential development.
I don’t know how he improves very much this year other than more book studying, which can only help so much.
by whistlingmountain on Aug 16, 2010 11:05 AM PDT reply actions
really, how much more is there?
I don’t know how he improves very much this year other than more book studying
The Rodgers/Kevin Kolb ‘grooming’ treatment didn’t amount to too much more, did it? I guess those guys had proven QB developers (McCarthy and Reid—both Holmgren disciples) running their teams, but extra time in the film room and on the practice field has to help, right?
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You misunderstood or misread what I said
It’s the practice snaps that you get as the 2nd string QB that are very important. The 3rd string QB doesn’t get any reps.
Kolb and Rodgers both had plenty of time getting the 2nd string reps in practice. Rodgers several years worth.
by whistlingmountain on Aug 16, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
I was talking about a process, not a result.
First Balmer, now Coffee...who knew McBooFoo had such an eye for quitters?
Win some now or win a lot later
Having been through it with QBs over the years in Indy, the best move that we’ve seen from the Colts, Pats, Chargers (I still think trading Brees was stupid, but Rivers is very, good and a few years younger) and Cowboys over the past few years is to go with potential over proven inability or proven, but maxed out ability. It’s the difference between the haves and the have nots in a lot of ways.
I think what I’m seeing out of the 49ers is sticking with a guy who has less potential in pursuit of a few wins. A few wins that probably won’t happen precisely because your starter just doesn’t have the physical tools that Davis has.
The extra range, accuracy, command of the line of scrimmage (snapping to prevent review of an incompletion) and foot speed will be the difference between winning and losing when it counts. Colts fans see this all the time with Manning – we win games precisely because Manning can throw further, more accurately, handles situational stuff automatically (12 men on the field anyone).
Davis always has been an experiential learner, so by not starting him in pre-season, you aren’t letting him learn the way he learns best, and it’s a waste of the investment the Niners have in Davis.
If you guys don’t want him, please release ASAP as we need a backup in case #18 gets hurt. Curtis Painter is NOT the answer, unless you want to give games away.
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What are you talking about?
Alex Smith was a #1 overall pick. He had enough talent and potential to go that high. Davis was a 5th rounder, and while I like Davis, he doesn’t poses the tools that Smith has. Davis has a stronger arm, but is not the QB that Smith is or can be.
by ericalancanty on Aug 16, 2010 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Alex stil hasn't got 2 where he need be n its been 5yrs already
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by 49er_diva_recieva's on Aug 16, 2010 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Have you been paying attention?
Let’s at least be fair! If you consider the fact that Alex was out injured for 1.5 years and only played a bit more than half of last year, he is in essence beginning his 4th year or has 3 years of experience, not 5. Experience-wise he is about where Aaron Rodgers was at this time LAST YEAR.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Aug 16, 2010 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
the big difference between Smith and Rodgers is that Smith was just thrown into the mess on his own as a rookie. Rodgers got to learn and develop under Favre for 3 years. Imagine Smith had been drafted in the late 90s and had been Steve Young’s backup for a while and think what he would have been like when he took over the reins.
Now I’m in the Smith camp, but I think we all have to agree that this season is his last shot. If we don’t see significant improvement I think it’s time we move on for good.
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Wheres the tools your lmao talking about?Could he please show them off im
waiting they should of got that dude in ’’’greenbay’’he was more polished than alex smith + he played under-center more than alex
by 49er_diva_recieva's on Aug 16, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Ryan Leaf and Jamarcus Russel were both number one picks, so what’s your point? Oh, Davis not only has a stronger arm, but is more accurate, has shown to make better decisions at the line of scrimmage, better running ability than Smith. As Tom Brady, Tony Romo and Kurt Warner have shown, where a QB is selected does not necessarily meant all that much. Once you find talent, you have to pursue it.
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But none of the QBs you mentioned were thrown into the fire right away. They all took advantage of opportunities when they presented themselves after years of already being in the league. Nate will get his chance when the time is right.
Yeah, wasn’t Romo in Dallas for a full four seasons before ever taking a snap in a game?
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by howtheyscored on Aug 17, 2010 1:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Davis has always been considered a "project QB"
He was drafted because he has tons of upside, but will need time to grasp the NFL and prepare himself to play at a high level. This is only his second year, and while he has been impressive in his limited preseason looks, I’m by no means ready to hand him the reins, or even the backup reins. Give him reps, give him preseason looks like they have been, and keep him working in the filmroom, in classes, and watching the other QBs play in the NFL. A few years down the road he could be a monster, hell, even next season he could be ready to be the backup…but it’s going to take time. No need to rush him.
I do like what I’ve seen out of him…but I think pushing him faster to the front would be a mistake. Let him take it over in his own time. Let him make the coaching staff put him on the field.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Aug 16, 2010 11:30 AM PDT reply actions
+10
Alex has struggled mightily, at least in part because of his not thoroughly knowing and understanding the playbook. Davis will struggle at least that much until he gains control of the “system”. Aaron Rodgers ("that dude in ’’’greenbay’’ ") sat for three full seasons, and is now being quite successful as an NFL QB. Let’s give Davis that benefit, let him grow and mature and LEARN, before we throw him into the breach.
That having been said, he will benefit from all the pre-season snaps he can get, and pre-season snaps against quality opposition will make it easier to evaluate his progress…
After all was said and done, a lot more got said than done.
Let Davis take second string
You need to see what you have so let him play against tougher defenses. Give Nate credit, if he is that good he will rise to the occasion. I think they are doing everything right. Nate is too raw and if you played him he would get gunshy. Let him learn and develop. He can have a great six years of playing as an older player than getting rushed and only have two years of bad football – Rich Gannon vs Tim Couch arguement
I wouldn’t mind seeing Davis get reps against teams first or second stringers in the preseason, just to gauge what type of progress he’s making. He could one day be a starter in this league, but before that, the team has to see how Davis does against higher competition. The important thing for this season is knowing if the team has quality depth at QB.
I will gladly eat crow if Brandon Jones does well for the 49ers in 2010.
by Andrew Davidson on Aug 16, 2010 11:32 AM PDT reply actions
I think that Davis needs to start preforming in practice before he earns more 2nd string reps. Frankly, most of what wins a game happens in practice, and if Davis can’t play in practice like he plays in a game, he won’t amount to more than a 3rd to bubble 2nd string player anyway. He has another couple of years, in my opinion, before he can start taking 2nd string duties.
You want him to improve with very few reps to begin with
It’s a defeating coaching principle to say that a QB shouldn’t get reps until they’re good enough to get reps.
How many reps do you think 3rd string QBs get in this league? If you want him to develop he needs more snaps.
by whistlingmountain on Aug 16, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
He is getting reps in practice right now. From what I have read, heard, etc. he really isn’t taking advantage of these reps. He looks sloppy, throws high passes. Doing better in practice is how he earns second string reps in preseason games.
That feeds into my point though
He looks sloppy because he sits on the sideline while the 1st team goes.. then while the 2nd team goes, and then gets 3 snaps. The 3 snaps look bad. And I’m not exaggerating, some practices he gets 3 snaps in 7/7 or 11/11. Most of his “snaps” come in QB drills.
The reason 3rd string QBs rarely become starters isn’t because they aren’t good enough, it’s because you simply do not develop as a 3rd stringer.
I still think it would be better for the 49ers to lease Davis to the CFL or the UFL than to have him be the 3rd string QB another year.
by whistlingmountain on Aug 16, 2010 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
this
if you’re going to say that Alex and Vernon need to work on their chemistry and timing (or Crabtree, Morgan, Ginn, etc.) and allow bad passes based on that, you can’t criticize Davis for throwing some bad balls because not only do you know it on paper, but your brain starts to associate that guy with being there on this play…visualizing what you’ve already seen over and over again…repetition…you can’t teach yourself the killer-crossover in basketball by reading it and practicing it 3 times a week…as an exaggeration.
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by 49er_diva_recieva's on Aug 16, 2010 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I hope not
not until 3rd game, then not at all in 4th game. We don’t need to get him in preseason. OK, maybe a series in each game to get used to being hit…otherwise it’s not worth it
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agree.
if Crabs proved one thing last year, it’s that he doesn’t need the preseason.
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We'll swap you Curtis Painter for Nate Davis.
Our #2 for your #3… I watched Davis play at Ball State, and have watched Manning every Sunday for years. Davis is one of the few QBs I’ve seen I’d love to see on the Colts. Watching the way Davis ran the line of scrimmage in college, you felt like you were watching a mini version of the Colts offense. IMaybe I’ve just seen too much of the human turnover that s C. Panter.
No thanks
I wouldn’t take either of your backup QBs
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Well i'm think'n it was Jimmy Raye that said ....
… he learn’s alot better from watching game film then he does with the play book …So in order for him to start, they would have to show the play on the jumbo screen first so he could get the play , and this might not bold well for us , hence the other team see’s it too …( Ha! )
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I wouldn't mind him backing up alex smith next week n see how he does
against a little better competition.Boo hoo ‘’chris carter’’ is whining because his (NFL Live) favorite WR larry fitzgerald got ‘’ jacked up’’against houston ’
by 49er_diva_recieva's on Aug 16, 2010 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I've always been in the Smith camp...but
I like what I see out of Davis too. Honestly, I was quite impressed with all 3 QBs yesterday. Yes, Smith’s numbers weren’t very impressive but I saw a lot of poise, confidence and good pocket presence. David Carr had 5 out of 6 scoring drives and his veteran experience was very apparent to me. It is undeniable that Nate Davis has made plays in the preseason. I think it’d be nice to see how Davis fares against some stronger competition but I’m not going to whine if he isn’t thrown into the mix a bit more.
I just really think we got a steal getting nate n i think 2yrs from now he will the niners franchise QB
you can take that 2 the bank.
by 49er_diva_recieva's on Aug 16, 2010 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I'm curious to see how Davis has developed too but
the coaches are allocating the reps right. Carr needs more preseason reps than Davis because we’re a new team for him and he’s the top backup. It’s not just about QBs either – the bubble players need reps with the QB that’s more likely to be in the game when/if they get there and even though that’s not Carr, he’s a lot closer simulation to Smith than Davis is. From a team standpoint, Davis is getting the right number of reps in the right part of the game.
by DeathValleyCarl on Aug 16, 2010 12:36 PM PDT reply actions
Its cool dude lets let it go ''cool''?
by 49er_diva_recieva's on Aug 16, 2010 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I'm curious to see how Davis has developed too but
the coaches are allocating the reps right. Carr needs more preseason reps than Davis because we’re a new team for him and he’s the top backup. It’s not just about QBs either – the bubble players need reps with the QB that’s more likely to be in the game when/if they get there and even though that’s not Carr, he’s a lot closer simulation to Smith than Davis is. From a team standpoint, Davis is getting the right number of reps in the right part of the game.
by DeathValleyCarl on Aug 16, 2010 12:37 PM PDT reply actions
Still not a Smith fan
Based on yesterdays performance I still don’t see Smith as the “THE MAN”. I am not saying he can’t get the job done, however I am saying SHOW ME. and do date he has not. With that I belive that Nate should be gevin a real oppertunity to show his value. He has really performend well in pre season last year and yesterday he scored again. It is a tough spot because Carr has a chance as well… Sounds like the there may be some real drama in our future if Nate continues to have a great camp and the rest of the preseason continues to show quality. We have a lot more fire power in the offense this year and we need to be set on who will be “THE MAN” t
All of Smiths passes hit recivers in the hands.
Only the 2 bad passes to Davis were not on target. The O-line struggled when Smith was in there, like A.Davis false start and failed attempt at blocking Mathis. A. Davis did get alot better as the game progressed, so Smith hopefully will have a better game next week. As Smith came out, so did the starting D for Indy, so Carr and N.Davis had an easier time. It is a fact that our backups are better than their backups.
by ericalancanty on Aug 16, 2010 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
first game situation in 8 months?
there were a lot of things I didn’t like, as in 5 missed tackles on the Addai TD, including Clements who didn’t have his best game. Robinson normally is not the type to fumble either. He’s smart, even if not that talented. We have to not draw too much positive or negative from this game. 3rd preseason game we can judge cause by then everyone on both teams is tightening it all up.
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To me...
Its not who he is playing against, its how he’s playing against the opposition. His awareness, his scrambling ability, his accuracy.
Take CurtisPainter for example. He plays really bad, be it 1st, 2nd or 3rd stringers, thus, you would not want him to be a starter. EVER. Not in 1 year not in 3 years unless he plays like a stud.
N. Davis plays heads up football and most of us have seen it in the pre-season yes, but having any defender running at him, whether its 3rd stringer on the Colts or Jarred Allen on the Vikes, You gotta imagine he would scramble out find his reads and make a good decision. But thats O-lines job to stop Allen in the first place. For the nay-sayers out there thinking, if Darrel revis was in coverage, Davis couldnt complete a pass. Maybe yes, maybe not. you could say the same for any QB, even Brady or Manning, Revis is just that good. But you wont know unless hes playing with the Starters.
So as much support I have with Alex Smith going this season, Its playoffs or bust. Like, Officially BUST. Then We move on with Davis and rebuilding starts all over again, except our entire Core stays intact. defense, o-Line, WRs, rb, if gore leaves, we already saw promise in Dixon. But to those who say, he cant play, hes only good in the preseason, are flat out wrong and cant see good skill right in front of them.
Im pretty sure i said around draft time, Dixon reminds me of Ray Rice, and i got an immediate, No Ray Rice is blah blah blah. I hate using the “this player is like this player” term because some d-bag will always oppose, buts thats not what i meant. I didnt mean Dixon is an exact 100% copy of Rice, I just meant he plays Sound, heads up football. Waits for blocks, makes good judgments, protects the ball, good burst of speed combined with power. The Man can play football. Same with Nate Davis. IM NOT SAYING Start Davis in 2010. This is clearly A. Smiths last year. But if things dont work out and were wattching seattle or Arizona go to the playoffs instead of us, then Its time to move on. Keep Carr(old and busted), start davis (new hotness) in 2011, or QB competition, whatever.
sorry, not ranting, just like what I see.
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… there will be alot more head’s that roll then Smith’s …!!
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It doesn't work like that dude
The difference between starters and 3rd string guys in pre-season is almost as big as the difference between college and the pros. Getting “pressure” from guys that won’t make an NFL team and running for your life away from guys like Jared Allen is night and day.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 16, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I think the point is
does he completely fall apart or does he do a pretty good job of making do with what he’s been dealt on a given play? Painter, for instance, fell completely apart.
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the early part in particular
I agree. Davis might not know exactly what he’s supposed to do, but whatever he DOES decide to do with the ball usually isn’t a bad thing. He has good instincts and a cannon. Kinda a back-yard baller, he just needs some honing.
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Because it's not his last year
even if he’s just competent this year that’s enough. If he does well then great. Besides who were we going to get last year?
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Mmm....well
I think nate has it mike, trust me… And i´ve been following nate since the game he played against oakland, and last year at the end of the pre-season i knew that Nate was going to be our QB sooner or later.
I remember when we drafted him he said the only difference between Stafford, Sanchez and him was that he went to a small school, and i was like yeah right buddy, it wasnt until i saw him play that i said this kid has it! and i know!!! that this kid has the tools to be even better than those 2 guys.
The reason that im comfortable to wait another year for him to become our starter are 2,
1.- Alex smith is out of excuses, make or break, put up or shut up.
2.- I think Nate has to earn respect from his teammates, when i watch some of the games from last year, he seems a bit uhmm confused now im starting to see someone more comfortable taking the lead. he needs to work on his personality!
Like i said in a previous post, dont worry he´ll get there!
Im glad
Im glad that im starting to see more guys thinking its time to give him more reps, but calm down guys its no where near time to make this guy our starter, this is how i see it…
I know that Nate has it, this kid has football smarts BUT he is RAW. The scenario that i would be comfortable from him to become our Backup Qb is during the season when everything is calm. This kid needs to work with his personality a lil bit more too, his body language tells me that he is shy guy.
he´ll get there, just not yet nate.
+1000
Unless he funks it up that we have no choice but to cut him off, let Alex play out his contract and see where we are at that point. Let’s not make this a rebuilding year (again) before it starts! At worst case Alex moves on after this year and Davis will be able to compete for the starting job next season against Carr.
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My theory going into the last two games last year was to play Nate and see where he was at against awful but 1st string competition. We were playing the two worst teams in the league with nothing to play for. Sing played Smith. He stunk. It did nothing to boost my confidence level in Alex although he seems like a super great stand up guy. But I’m also seeing him continue to throw the ball too high — he could really get our WR’s hurt that way — or missing reads.
So if I wanted Nate to start the last two games last year if sure as heck would agree to seeing how he does as the number 2 or 1 this pre-season. We drafted the kid. Spent a 5 on him. At this point in game situations he’s performed better than our other QBs in every game he’s played in. Doesn’t anyone on the 49ers staff want to know if they have a true gamer on their hands? Someone that will gut it out in tough games rather than throw the ball out of bounds and tell us, “Wow, we almost won that one?” We need an animal back there. A tough as nails guy who knows how to come through in the clutch. Alex is never going to be that, I fear. But Nate could be that.
Remember, Farve was TRADED to Green Bay. He had been a back up going nowhere. He was a rough edged rookie. A professional NFL team actually was dumb enough to give up on him. I hope we don’t end up being a team like that.
Peyton Manning was looking for Nate Davis after the game
to get some pointers on how to be so awesome.
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Hey whats wrong with Vernon davis they said he got hurt is he okay?
by 49er_diva_recieva's on Aug 16, 2010 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
he sprained his knee and is day to day
he’s fine. they need to stop playing him and pretty much anyone else who’s a lock for the roster and not a rookie or special teamer.
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I want apoligize 4 spending half of this''argung 'about dumb bleep its extremely
hot were im at + ive been trying 2 stop ’’smoking’’n whoever has tried that ’’knows’’my struggle,not 2 mention moms in the hospital dealing with ‘’brain cancer’’its been a rough couple of weeks so i apoligize.
by 49er_diva_recieva's on Aug 16, 2010 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions
the problem with Alex
is that he doesn’t instill confidence to me as a fan when he’s out there. I really want this kid to be a success but every time hes out there it feels like something bad’s gonna happen. I think a lot of people have felt like that. (Carr is the same way). When he completes a pass, it’s a bit of a shock for some reason. I can’t explain it, but I have the complete opposite feeling when Nate is at command. He seems under control and shows a patience that I don’t think Alex has. This is definitely Alex’s year and he deserves the chance. But if it doesn’t work out, I believe we start Nate over Carr.
by Iupati_like_its_1999 on Aug 16, 2010 2:44 PM PDT reply actions
+1000 dude you nailed it i get that same feeling with nate now maybe i should give
alex more of a chance 2 get better maybe those nolan yrs messed my opinion on him but nate takes over when he’s in there almost like a ‘’big ben’’look?
by 49er_diva_recieva's on Aug 16, 2010 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Nate Davis
I’ve see enough to say forget smith and give Davis a chance. The fact that Davis continues to show poise and was smart enough to get everyone line up in time to get a play off so the incomplete pass play couldn’t be overturned showed me something. Like the broadcasters said that was a veteran move. Smith would of messed that up and either cost the Niners a completion,or a penalty or made a rushed throw and would of threw a interception. All the other probowl veteran QBs looked good over the weekend, they looked liked they were in midseason form.Even Charlie Whitehurst looked better than smith. Mr whitehurst has not even been in the league as long as smith, has not gotten as much playing time as smith and is learning a new offense for the first time and is working behind a new offensiveline. I’m done listening to excuses for mr smith. either he has it or he doesn’t and I have to say he doesn’t have it.
by bmcrae83@yahoo.com on Aug 16, 2010 3:22 PM PDT reply actions
I'd like to see Nate at #2.
I feel like his performance justifies this. If Smith goes down, we’re in a lot of trouble anyway because Carr isn’t the answer.
If Smith gets hurt in a game, we run Nate out there and see how he does, and then for the following week we can evaluate all our options. It’s not like if Smith is injured in a game that we’re deciding between whether to send an all-pro in there over him – its David Carr.
I find it offensive that people would stoop this low and use his disability against him.
The man has studied hard to learn the tricks of offensive football. If he deserves to rated #2 than so be it. Personally, he played a very good game and should be proud that he has made great strides in doing so. So, for all you jerks who get their kicks knocking other people, go to hell !!!!
My concern about that-
How well will he be able to adjust to new plays and defenses during the year? Haven’t the faintest, but I wonder about it. I’d like to see more of him and how he copes.
by (site decorum) on Aug 16, 2010 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions
nate should get a shot
if we can give alex smith chances from 2005 we can give nate davis some throws in the preseason. david carr is less familiar with the sytstrm than davis and could use some reps to learn . davis already has a year under his belt in the system and should see more reps with at least the second team.
Nate Davis should be the backup.
Behind David Carr.
Nate Davis
should be the #2. He shows poise in the pocket and finds receivers down field. He looks off defenders and he can scramble to make plays. He can hit our rb’s in the back field and step up in the pocket. He shows me he has what it takes, and needs to play against starting players.
I hate hearing “he plays against third string”. But don’t forget when he steps up against 1st string defense he will have first string offense. We have ALL the weapons a QB can ask for and I don’t have to elaborate on that with fellow 49er fans.
I will give Smith one last chance because he has been working very hard and does show he wants to be good and wants to help this team win. Although if he gets hurt or does not perform to the coaches expectations I hope to see what Nate can do with the starting offense.
1. Smith
2. Davis
3. Carr
Time will tell first step is for Nate to earn the backup roll…
thank you God!!!
Jimmy Raye: team will experiment with getting Nate Davis into the game earlier in next two preseason games.
Wohooo!! about time!!!
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