49ers RB Brian Westbrook and Anthony Dixon: How we gonna play 'em?
Yesterday was certainly a cray day for the 49ers, as they surprised some folks by landing former Eagles RB Brian Westbrook. Westbrook had been rumored to be considering the St. Louis Rams, but when Glen Coffee retired, the full court press was on and next thing we knew, Brian Westbrook was a member of the San Francisco 49ers. We had a lot of discussion yesterday, but I wanted to focus in a couple different items this morning. We'll move away from Westbrook/Dixon discussion later this morning, but I wanted to get this going while had the signing momentum. Also, unless you're going to put together some fairly in depth analysis or are discussing an incredibly unique talking point about Westbrook, please hold off creating FanPosts about the signing so we can keep the discussion focused in one area.
When the 49ers were considering their options in light of the Glen Coffee retirement, there were two options: 1) Sign a guy who would be a contributor over the course of the season and would battle Anthony Dixon and Michael Robinson for the backup role; and 2) Sign a camp body who very likely wouldn't make it on to the 53-man roster, but would rather fill a Shane Andrus role of keeping the other guys fresh.
The 49ers opted for the former in making a splash with Brian Westbrook. This is particularly interesting in light of Anthony Dixon's monster effort in Sunday's preseason game against the Colts. Dixon still has plenty to work on and prove, but this signing shows in part that the team is not ready to hand the backup reins over to a rookie running back.
Join us for more, as well as Westbrook's transcript after the jump...
And it's probably the best option at this point. Yes you'd love to have a youngster step up, but when you can get an all-around backup threat like Brian Westbrook it makes sense. I've posted the transcript from his press conference after the jump, and make no mistake about it, he's here to be the #1 backup to Frank Gore:
Of course, [Frank will] be the starter, but I'll be the guy right behind him pushing him and I'll be ready for any chance I get go out on the field and make plays."
My questions at this point are how the offense will work with Westbrook and Dixon in the next three preseason games, and also how the team will want to utilize Westbrook and Dixon during the regular season. Matt Williamson of Scouts Inc had some interesting comments about the offense with Westbrook added in:
Westbrook clearly is a big upgrade as a pass catcher, and you cannot overlook that in any way . . . Gore is a workhorse, but he is also injured a lot. You need someone like Westbrook to give you two games at a time, and I think he can probably still do that.
Westbrook will help in the passing game and I could see him being an excellent option when the team is in 3rd and long situations. He can still run the ball so it does not come across as an abandonment of the running game, and yet he is an excellent receiving option out of the backfield.
Given that we know what Westbrook can do when healthy, the question then is what to do with Anthony Dixon? Will this become a quasi 3-headed monster? Or maybe Frank Gore and then a 2-headed backup monster? At the very least, I can't imagine we'll see a whole lot of Michael Robinson in the running game at this point. He'll get on the field for some offensive snaps, but how much need is there for him on the offensive side of the ball? He's got limited upside as a running back and he was potentially already facing a bump down the depth chart after Sunday's performance by Anthony Dixon.
Whatever the case may be, the team's rushing attack has certainly gained a level of potency. In the past, if Frank Gore went down there was great concern. This year, there would still be concern, but Westbrook is an excellent substitution option. It remains to be seen how healthy he'll be over the course of the season, but it's a risk well worth taking.
RB Brian Westbrook
Press Conference - August 16, 2010
San Francisco 49ers
On why he chose the 49ers:
"First, I would like to thank coach for the opportunity of being here. My number one concern throughout the process was going to a winning team, a football team that was coached by a man that I respect. A team that had a winning tradition and players that would be able to achieve that and I think I found all of those things here in San Francisco. It was a long process, but in the end, I think it turned out well for me."
On how close he was to signing with the Rams:
"Well, I had talked to their coaches several times. I had talked to several teams' coaches. I guess we were just as close as any team. It never happened and it never materialized. For me, it's not about what happened in the past. For me, it's what I can help this team do in the future and helping this team win football games is the reason I'm here."
On how he can help the team:
"I think I add a lot of value to this team, a football team that has a lot of very good players already on the offensive side of the ball, a lot of very good players on defense. Obviously, offensively you have [TE] Vernon [Davis], the guys outside, [WR Michael] Crabtree, [WR] Ted Ginn. [QB] Alex Smith is a young quarterback that has a lot of weapons around him and also a young offensive line. You add into that myself as well as [RB] Frank Gore, a very talented running back, I think we'll be a hard offense for teams to stop. I just want to bring in my leadership ability, my talents, as far as catching the ball out of the backfield as well as running the ball. I just want to continue to improve as a player myself, but continue to help this team mature and continue in their winning ways."
On pairing with RB Frank Gore:
"Frank's the man. Frank's the man. He's done tremendous things in the past, Pro Bowls, a talented guy. I've respected his game from afar. In Philly, I watched and studied him an awful lot. I respect him a whole lot. I'm going to go out there and push him as much as I can, help him as much as I can and I'm sure he'll do the same thing for me, continue to make me better. Of course, he'll be the starter, but I'll be the guy right behind him pushing him and I'll be ready for any chance I get go out on the field and make plays."
On whether he talked with former teammate S Michael Lewis and if he did any selling:
"I know a couple guys on the team. I did talk to coach several times. I talked to Vernon Davis a few times. I talked to [LB] Takeo Spikes as well. I actually didn't get a chance to talk to Mike, but I'll probably talk to him here in the near future. I have a lot of friends on this team, a few friends on this team. I'm just excited to be here."
On whether he is fully healthy:
"I am fully healthy. In my mind, last year was a tough year for me. I spent the whole offseason rehabbing. I didn't have an opportunity to prepare myself for the season so I kind of went into the season blind without any preparation at all. For me, it was just a tough year. I was playing catch-up the entire season and obviously I wasn't able to do that. This year, I was able to rehab and able to really spend my whole offseason preparing for a football season. Now that my body is completely healthy, I'm ready to go out there and perform."
On whether he considered retirement after suffering concussions last year:
"I never said that. That was someone that made those reports up. I know I did not say that."
On whether he has any trepidation sustaining another concussion:
"No, I don't. I did a lot of studying, a lot of homework on the cause of concussions as well as the symptoms that go along with them. Every doctor that I talked to, all of the specialists that I talked to have basically said that you're just at a risk just like anybody else that plays the game of football. For me to go out there and play, you're at a risk just like anybody else that has never sustained a concussion. For me, I could go out there worry free with my mind at ease that the concussion issue is in the past."
On when the courtship began with the 49ers and the message coach Singletary gave him:
"Well, when the young man [RB] Glen Coffee retired, that was probably the turning point for me. When I talked to coach, I could tell that he was a straight shooter. He's a guy that's going to give it to you straight. He's a guy that's going to be honest with you. He's a Christian man, more importantly he's a Christian man and those are some of the things I respect in general and respect about coach. The team speaks for itself. The team can win football games, has the opportunity to continue the playoff tradition and for me, I have to come in and help this team continue to do that."
On whether he talked about how many carries he will be getting:
"We really didn't discuss how many touches I'll get. I know Frank will need to come out of the game every now and then, and so any chance I get, I want to be able to go out there and perform. For me, I want to push him in practice, continue to push him in the game. I'm hungry. I want to play just as much as the next man. Every opportunity I get, I'm going to make a play, I'm going to make something happen."
On whether he considers himself an every-down back and why not go to a place where he can be that:
"I do consider myself and every-down back, a guy that can carry the load. I truly do. I think at this point in my career, I think the wise thing for me to do is go to a place that has a guy that can share the load. I've completely carried the load for a long time in Philly and I was complimented by a couple of guys, especially [Philadelphia RB] Correll Buckhalter. I think at this point in my career, it's the best thing for me to go to a place that definitely has a winning tradition, but also has a guy that can share the load as well."
On whether he came to the conclusion this offseason that he needs to share the carries:
"I think it was a process, because as a player, you always want the ball in your hands no matter what situation you're in. You want the ball in your hands. You want to be out there on the field. For me, I think the smart move for my body, for my game, for this team is to share the load."
On how long it will take him to pick up the new offense:
"I'm not sure. I haven't had to learn a new offense for eight years. I think my work ethic has spoken for itself in the past and so I'm going to really spend the rest of my night tonight in the playbook, spend my days trying to get with our offensive coaches trying to figure out exactly what they need me to do, what they want me to do. And spend every waking moment in that playbook trying to get things done and this playbook down pat as quickly as I can."
On how familiar he is with what offensive coordinator Jimmy Raye does here:
"To be honest with you, I'm not very familiar at all. I have seen some of the games. Like I said, I've studied Frank's game a lot. For me, it's a total new thing, but I'm willing and up to the challenge. I'm a student of the game. I'm a guy that can sit there and understand. I can look in a book and understand it. I can watch another man practice and understand it. So, I'm a total student of the game and I can make it happen."
On what he learned from watching Gore:
"I think he's a heck of a player. I think from his standpoint, I think his ability to run. I've seen his ability to break tackles. I've seen their trap schemes, I've seen their power schemes and those are some of the things I did in college. We didn't do as much in Philly, but those are the thing that I'm looking forward to being a part of."
On whether he expects to be in on third down situation and pick up blitzes:
"I think so. When I talked to coach, he didn't say you won't be involved in this, you won't be involved in that. He said look, if something happens to Frank, we want you to be able to step right in there and play. Hopefully nothing happens to Frank, but if something does, I'll be willing to step in there and play and be willing to play."
On what he remembers about playing the 49ers over the years:
"Well, a hardnosed team. A tough, physical, hardnosed team. I think the biggest thing in the NFL you have to have is discipline. You could be as tough and as physical as you want to, but if you don't have any discipline and you don't have any leadership and accountability for the other guys on the team, then you won't win any football games. I think those are some of the things that coach is trying to bring to the football team. You can tell the difference between the year before last and this past year. This team has definitely improved and they're going in the right direction."
On whether he watched yesterday's game and his thoughts on RB Anthony Dixon:
"I did watch yesterday's game. He looked good, a big, powerful running back. I think he impressed me a lot. I think he probably surprised some of the coaches, but he definitely surprised me. I'm happy and ready to work with him as well. He'll push me and I'll push him as well, and try to make each other better."
On when he arrived in town:
"I got here late last night."
On whether he senses urgency on this team:
"Everybody I talked to here and my first conversation with coach was about purely winning. We want to win football games, of course not at all cost, but we want to do everything we can to win. I think coach's philosophy is to bring in quality guys that can help this football team win. I feel as though I'm a quality guy and I feel like I can help this football team win, and that's one of the biggest reasons I'm here. My urgency level is I want to win right now. I've always been like that. I've been like that in Philly. I was like that at Villanova in my college years and my younger years as well. Anything that I can do to help this team win, that's what I'm going to do.
On whether he has settled on a jersey number:
"Yeah, actually I'm going to wear number 20, which was my college number."
On whether he feels like he is fading:
"My last year in Philadelphia, 2009, was not a very good year for me and I explained the reasons why I felt as though that was. But from my workouts that I've had this offseason, my conditioning that I've had this offseason, I don't see any reason why I couldn't be a back that can help carry the load and help this team win football games."
On whether a fresh start can be a good thing sometimes:
"Yeah, it's a different venue. Like coach, I'm a big Christian and I believe sometimes God puts you in unfamiliar places that can show you how much in control of your life he is. On the way here, I was praying, just praying and wondering why. God isn't always going to put you in the most comfortable position, but he's always going to be there with you. I appreciate that. I appreciate the opportunity. I'm willing and ready, I just need to go out there and do it."
On whether he left any money on the table to come to the 49ers:
"I think the contract stuff is really irrelevant at this point. For me, I just want to go out there and play football. That's for my agents to handle and all of that other stuff. I told him from the beginning that I want to go to a good, quality football team, a well coached team, a team that can win. He found one."
On whether he and Gore have worked out together before:
"No, we've never worked out together. I've known him. I think we were maybe at the Pro Bowl together a couple of times. We've met a few times, but we don't know each other that well. We will have the opportunity to get to know each other well over the season. I'm sure that he'll critique my game, I'll critique his and we'll both push ourselves to get better. That's what it's all about."
On whether it was hard to be patient and wait for a team:
"I think as you go, you don't miss training camp that much. You have to be patient. It's not that hard to be patient when everybody out there is doing two-a-days and things like that."
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Westbrook won't/shouldn't play much until 3rd game of preseason
let him learn, but don’t take chances on your RB1.5 (I say 1.5 because he’s better than a lot of backups). Let Dixon get reps to get his pass protection and vision down.
"They can’t stop us. Throw in our other weapons, and it’s over. What are they gonna do? There ain’t nothing they can do. It’s over." - Vernon Davis
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Yeah, as much as we'd want him in there more
It’s a tough call with Westbrook’s injury history. I’d be extremely surprised to see him out there against MN. Maybe for a play or two to “introduce” him to the fans. But nothing more than that. Game three would be more likely. Never more than a couple series per game.
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I think "The BART"
has a chance to be as nearly effective as Westbrook receiving but a pounding runner too. A young bigger Ricky Watters?
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 17, 2010 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
The BART?
Big Arse Running Toter?
"They can’t stop us. Throw in our other weapons, and it’s over. What are they gonna do? There ain’t nothing they can do. It’s over." - Vernon Davis
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Bay Area Rushing Touchdown
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 17, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Anthony "The BART" Dixon
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 17, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
I forsee some fun formations
with both Gore and Wbrook in the backfield, especially on 3rd down. Draw? Dive? Edge, sweep? Three downfield receivers plus two excellent backs running in the flats/wheel routes? Scary formation for a defense to try and key on 5 players who are all major threats.
"They can’t stop us. Throw in our other weapons, and it’s over. What are they gonna do? There ain’t nothing they can do. It’s over." - Vernon Davis
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The wildcat becomes a sexier option as well.
If Gore can read option like Masoli did at Oregon, he or Westbrook could get significant yards in that formation. Just a thought.
by ericalancanty on Aug 17, 2010 7:53 AM PDT up reply actions
thought about this too
but didn’t want to get cute…wonder if Gore can throw the ball though.
"They can’t stop us. Throw in our other weapons, and it’s over. What are they gonna do? There ain’t nothing they can do. It’s over." - Vernon Davis
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Wild taser cat thing ,ugh ... that would involve M Rob ..no thank you ...!!
Gotta love a woman that wear's knee pad's to work ...!!
No taser
Just direct snap it to one or the other of ‘em and let defenses guess which way it’s gonna go
Logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority
nice idea
I like that
Vernon Davis, Michael Crabtree, Tedd Ginn/Delanie Walker, Frank Gore, Brian Westbrook...which one is getting the ball and where?
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Dolphins do it very effectively
when they have Ricky Williams and Ronnie Brown back there
Logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority
yeah, but it's pretty much always Brown receiving snap
the way you described it makes it sound like the snap could go to either back and they just run it…
the haters will say “hey, getting Alex off the field or out of the play is a good thing anyways!”
Vernon Davis, Michael Crabtree, Tedd Ginn/Delanie Walker, Frank Gore, Brian Westbrook...which one is getting the ball and where?
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But with Brown there's atleast a threat of a pass ...
… with out the threat of a pass , i’d put all eleven in the box … IMO it’s not a very viable option …!!
Gotta love a woman that wear's knee pad's to work ...!!
it's weird though
Miami runs 90% out of the wildcat…you’d think teams would take more risks against it…they always said the way to beat the ’cat was to attack the point…that is, the handoff point…disrupt it so there is no read, just panic.
Vernon Davis, Michael Crabtree, Tedd Ginn/Delanie Walker, Frank Gore, Brian Westbrook...which one is getting the ball and where?
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The problem
Is that they don’t know which way the run is going.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
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by SportsChicken on Aug 18, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
There are many possibilities
But, as I said before, I think he’ll just be used as a back up.
I have 0 faithin Jimmy Raye
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
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by SportsChicken on Aug 17, 2010 8:26 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Jimmy Raye has adjusted the plays to fit the personnel.
VD was Super VD in 2009 because Raye knew how to make plays for him.
Smith had a good half year because when Sing changed to Smith, Raye was able to adjust the plays to fit Smith.
I can see both Gore and Westbrook getting plays that are just for them. Both are dangerous and with VD, Crabs and Ginn the defense will not know who to cover.
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Thats foreal i think ''jimmy raye''has started 2 take a little 2 much pounding
yes he started off really slow but when alex got in he opened it up Vernon had his best yr since becoming a niner + what about those 3rd n 1 play action plays 4 TDs he put trust in alex which helped alex.Yes he’s going 2 have 2 back that up even more tis yr but lets put a little faith in him look what nolan n mike martz did turned us into a walking turn-over.
by 49er_diva_recieva's on Aug 17, 2010 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Raye is a conundrum to me
because he’s got some sweet plays in the playbook. It’s just how he calls them that drives me nuts.
I do wish the national media would stop the whole “Raye likes to run” thing since it wasn’t true even last year and certainly isn’t true this year. It was actually a very balanced attack—50% each way
Logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority
yeah
I think we passed more than once on 3rd and short on Sunday…
Vernon Davis, Michael Crabtree, Tedd Ginn/Delanie Walker, Frank Gore, Brian Westbrook...which one is getting the ball and where?
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agreed
Raye is the #1 problem with our offense.
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
Too bad he calls runs up the middle 70% of the time.
Raye is predictable.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
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by SportsChicken on Aug 18, 2010 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
you are right. Westbrook is a backup
He will be a 3rd down back at the most. Remember, Jimmy Raye was the coordinator for a significant part of Tony Gonzalez’s career. The focus will still be on Gore and Davis first. I dont want to see the niners get cute on offense.
by MontanaYoung on Aug 18, 2010 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Every play should be the option:
Split backs, 2 WR, 1 TE. Frank gore dive down the middle, westbrook to the flat, VD up the seam, crabtree slant or drag and morgan deep. This would be unstoppable.
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by WeHaveCrabsAndVD on Aug 17, 2010 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree
it’s like a wildcat almost…plus you can motion WB out to the slot on one side and VD to the slow on the strong side, effectively going 4 wide spread look. Or motion VD across the formation as a lead blocker…
"They can’t stop us. Throw in our other weapons, and it’s over. What are they gonna do? There ain’t nothing they can do. It’s over." - Vernon Davis
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I'm think'n that's not gonna happen very often if at all ...
…Westbrook , Gore and two wideout’s and one TE ..maybe two TE’s and one wideout .. let’s remember that when they were in the shot gun it was a 221 ( 2TE , 2WR and 1 Bck ) most of the time , that does give them the best mismatch , there might be time’s when we see both Westbrook and Gore in the back field , but with 2 TE’s …!! ( IMO )
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If you scroll down to Michaelclutchtree @ 10.22 am diagram , that work's ...!!
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The play that wins the Super Bowl this year from the 4 yard line
Pro Form 2WR 1TE
Crabs … … … … … Staley Iupati Bass Mawae A.Davis V.Davis …. …. …. …. …. … Morgan
… … … … … … … … … … … … Alex
… … … .. … .. … .. … … Wbrook .. .. .. .. Gore
Alex takes a 3 step drop and fakes a quick fade to Crabtree while handing off behind his back with his left hand to Wbrook for the TD on a sweep with Gore as his lead blocker.
Statue of Liberty play Boise State FTW
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 17, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
like how you slipped Mawae in there
seriously Chilo gonna make me knock him out
"They can’t stop us. Throw in our other weapons, and it’s over. What are they gonna do? There ain’t nothing they can do. It’s over." - Vernon Davis
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just in time for Baas to take over for Chilo
unless he get’s his act together
Vernon Davis, Michael Crabtree, Tedd Ginn/Delanie Walker, Frank Gore, Brian Westbrook...which one is getting the ball and where?
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Sorry for so many posts, last thing for now
I think Westbrook will be first off the bench in the first half to spell Gore. Dixon will be used on short yardage and to close out games when we’re up two scores. You could also put Westbrook in the slot and have Gore or Dixon as the RB on those formations.
"They can’t stop us. Throw in our other weapons, and it’s over. What are they gonna do? There ain’t nothing they can do. It’s over." - Vernon Davis
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How is Westbrook at blocking in passing downs? From what I saw with the Iggles, it seems like he’s very versatile and succeeded in that regard, but my impressions may be wrong.
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great at it
he was more of a 3rd down back all along but the Eagles run the WCO so what their RB needed to do wasn’t too much of a stretch for Westbrook.
"They can’t stop us. Throw in our other weapons, and it’s over. What are they gonna do? There ain’t nothing they can do. It’s over." - Vernon Davis
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Stats are actually close between them
I agree with the 1.5 designation because as recently as 2007 he put up over 2k yds of offense. We will see if the rehab time off and the singletary fire propels him back into that kind of form again.
I think he should practice with a red jersey on for a while
and not play until the 3rd preseason game, then play maybe 3 series tops. Don’t take chances. We know he can block and catch and run…, let him learn the playbook.
"They can’t stop us. Throw in our other weapons, and it’s over. What are they gonna do? There ain’t nothing they can do. It’s over." - Vernon Davis
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Black jersey
The non contact jersey is black
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Aug 17, 2010 8:24 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
It seems we're the rare exception
I honestly don’t see any other teams in camp that have non-contact jersey’s in black… kind of goes along with the fact that red is the prime team color, but this is rare, no?
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yeah, you got it though
I want one of those black jerseys. With a 49ers logo on it of course.
"They can’t stop us. Throw in our other weapons, and it’s over. What are they gonna do? There ain’t nothing they can do. It’s over." - Vernon Davis
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I need to befriend a screen printer
"They can’t stop us. Throw in our other weapons, and it’s over. What are they gonna do? There ain’t nothing they can do. It’s over." - Vernon Davis
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visa logo too?
The practice jerseys have them
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
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by SportsChicken on Aug 17, 2010 3:44 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
sure
I’ll take it
Vernon Davis, Michael Crabtree, Tedd Ginn/Delanie Walker, Frank Gore, Brian Westbrook...which one is getting the ball and where?
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Let me know if you manage to find any
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
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by SportsChicken on Aug 18, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
only if a player sends me his
or someone at the facility has some kinda hookups
Vernon Davis, Michael Crabtree, Tedd Ginn/Delanie Walker, Frank Gore, Brian Westbrook...which one is getting the ball and where?
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hell yea
me too so when suckaz ask why u got a black niner jersey on instead of red i can say CUZ U CANT TOUCH THIS! n break in to the MC Hammer dance LOL
hahaha
Vernon Davis, Michael Crabtree, Tedd Ginn/Delanie Walker, Frank Gore, Brian Westbrook...which one is getting the ball and where?
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Veteran RB
As Coach Singletary has said many times, the RB needs to know pass protection to be out there——Dixon’s current area of weakness, Westbrook’s greatest area of strength. He is the perfect 3rd down RB—-blocks well, big, good hands as a pass receiver, good YAC, and can run the ball. Look for that as his first big job, with backup RB and COP RB further down the list.
I'm hoping this helps Alex Smith too
having a guy who is reliable catching dump-off passes, screens, sitting in a zone, etc. Help him complete passes and get YAC to give Alex even more confidence.
"They can’t stop us. Throw in our other weapons, and it’s over. What are they gonna do? There ain’t nothing they can do. It’s over." - Vernon Davis
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this
huge gain
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
but it'll be red
either way
"They can’t stop us. Throw in our other weapons, and it’s over. What are they gonna do? There ain’t nothing they can do. It’s over." - Vernon Davis
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I'm feeling a lot more comfortable adding Westbrook's versatility to our offense.
Finally a RB with proven hands, that means a lot to unpredictability. Defenses will have to prepare for that with us now. While either Westbrook or Dixon is useful giving Frank a blow (in any situation), they could really pay dividends should Frank get nicked. I like the Westbrook-Dixon two-headed monster much better than Coffee-Dixon.
by DeathValleyCarl on Aug 17, 2010 8:10 AM PDT reply actions
Gore, Soar and Roar is my suggested nickname for the trio that will be leading the NFL in rushing in 2010.
I will gladly eat crow if Brandon Jones does well for the 49ers in 2010.
by Andrew Davidson on Aug 17, 2010 8:43 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Coffee's retirment
A blessing to the 49ers.
Favre: It's rare to ever see a QB be so indecisive, waffle...
It's also unlikely to have one start 19 consecutive seasons.
Hoping we'll see more split back formation use now.
With two serious threats to run or catch…makes us THAT much more versitile.
Receiving Weapons
Crabtree, V Davis, J.Morgan
Gore Westbrook
then at any point get D Walker or Ginn in there, and maybe even KWilliams in there too know a better option than we thought…Plus our Oline already sounds like it is improved and should continue every game to get better. Alex Smith needs to complete the package and this offense is exciting!
Alex steps up,
we go full circle. The defense is a crimson storm to begin with – all you need is a halfway competent offense to give them decent breathers…
"Three man rush, and Young stumbles on the way back and fires up the middle - pass is caught by Owens! Owens made the catch!"
"HO-HI-HO-HUAHA!"
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The question is how to use Dixon in the regular season, and I think Westbrook pushes Dixon out of the picture to a point. Dixon looks like an exciting young player, but preseason games can be meaningless. Kory Sheets looked like a monster last year but wasn’t even able to get a single touch last year. I think Dixon is way better than Sheets, the point I’m trying to make is preseason breakout games against 2nd/3rd/guys-who-won’t-make-the-team means next to nothing.
With two of the better running backs of the last 5 years, there will be almost no touches available for Dixon, even on a “pound the rock” team. However, I do see one situation where Dixon can get some touches in the regular season. If we are actually winning a game in the 4th quarter, and we have say a two-possession lead, I could see Dixon coming in to spell Gore/Westbrook. Gore is getting older, Westbrook has well-chronicled concussion issues, Dixon can be a good late-game, clock-eating option to keep Gore/Westbrook healthy over the course of the season.
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bing!
nicely said. pretty much exactly how i feel..dixon looked good*, ‘brook is a brilliant 3rd down option, and there aren’t many touches to go around. i like how we kept feeding the ball to dixon, and would love to see that in a regular season game- but i get the feeling that we’d be a little overly optimistic to expect such things.
in the meantime, tune in to every preseason game to get your fix of that beastly stiff arm. gonna miss that once the games start.
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Dixon played on a middle of the road SEC team
and dominated. Which actually means something versus being a great running back on Bama or Florida where you don’t play against a 1/3rd of the defensive talent in the SEC because its on your team. He did this while somehow flying under the radar. I guess people didn’t pay attention to Miss State’s strength of schedule. He racked up 1391 yards while not playing in their first game of the season, (Miss states biggest blowout of the year over Jackson State 45-7) and then playing the below:
All the SEC teams strong against the run: LSU, Auburn, Alabama and Florida
Then Georgia Tech
Then the rest of the mediocre SEC
The only teams to hold him below 100 YPG were Auburn (92), Florida (53) and Alabama (81)
The only teams to hold him below 4.6 YPC were LSU (3.9), Florida (3.5) and Alabama (3.7) and he still ran for 106 yards on 27 carries in the LSU game.
Dude is a stud. I don’t understand how on Earth Coffee was a 3rd rounder out of Alabama (except for school hype maybe), and Dixon goes in the 6th round. Steal. So his great preseason game statistically didn’t surprise me, (except the receiving prowess as hes never had more than 20 receptions in a season in college), but confirmed my belief that we had a legitimate back. It will be interesting to see him when he’s truly in professional shape going into next season or the year after.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 17, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
He had 250 yards rushing against Kentucky
with his longest run being 47 yards.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 17, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
CBA uncertainty in 2011
flooded this draft…that’s how
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Well still
Dixon should have been a 4th rounder in THIS draft… Last draft he should have been a 2nd rounder or better. He’s every bit as good as Beanie Wells.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 17, 2010 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Yup...dat boy ia a beast
and to rack up that type of yardage against SEC comp is not something to sneeze at.
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about sheets
Kory Sheets actually ended up with the Dolphins last year. I think he ended up hurting himself and was lost for the season. He might’ve ended his season due to injury again this year. But they are both different type of players, sheets was much speedier, i preferred him over coffee. Anyways, Dixon will play often only if we are putting up points like the saints. If the game is close, I dont see Dixon running the rock much.
by MontanaYoung on Aug 18, 2010 12:36 AM PDT up reply actions
This signing ....
Is a great example of forward thinking. The Niners get a good quality ,experienced, change of pace type back. I see no downside.
His downside is injury… but that may be an upside in bizarro world. Dixon needs time to develop and learn the rest of the game, and having 2 backs like Gore and Westbrook teaching you the game sounds like a really good scenario for Dixon to develop into an elite back in the next couple years. If Westbrook magically stays healthy the whole season, the Niners will have a two-headed beast at the RB spot. Just keep running behind Iupati and Staley and you’ll be fine.
Yes, injury is an issue.
However he will not be carrying the whole load. Dixon does need to develop and judging from his performance is ahead of schedule. It makes for some interesting play calling scenarios.
by Natural Red on Aug 17, 2010 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Owens, Lewis, Spikes, and now Westbrook - interesting...
Its a personal affinity that I have with the Eagles as well, what with my dad being a native of Philly, but it certainly seems we have seen quite a few transactions between members of the squads over the past few years. Not that we don’t have a lot in common either too – the two seem to meet on a fairly regular basis now, and I’ll bet the hatred of a certain team between the Eagles fans and ours is very mutual too.
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"HO-HI-HO-HUAHA!"
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It's ok if we don't get Dixon in there too often
He’s got a lot of time. Keep him healthy as possible. I can easily see him as Frank’s heir apparent in a couple years.
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by Mangoman on Aug 17, 2010 10:04 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
this
WB isn’t going to be around forever
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disagree
If you can run 4 FULL years in the SEC injuries are not a problem.
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
westbrook didn't play in the SEC
you musta thought I meant Dixon eh?
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What a difference a week makes...
After Coffee’s retirement, if thats what you want to call it, there was this sense of urgency…like we had to find out if Dixon was going to make a capable backup. Now RB is a position of depth and there may not be enough downs to go around. (I may have to coin that term)
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ill post it again

aww yeah
Dashon, Mays, and Bamm Bamm will get the record for most decapitations in one season
by MichaelClutchtree on Aug 17, 2010 10:22 AM PDT reply actions
I hate to kill your buzz, because I too like both 2-TE sets and 2-RB sets….but I wouldn’t put them together unless if you are on the goalline. There just isn’t enough spread, and you’d see their saftey or safties pinch heavily, neutralizing runs and short passes. If Gore/the O-Line are eating up a team inside, you could see this set and run a fake-dive, pull a guard and pitch out to Westbrook. But I wouldn’t expect to see it often.
2-TE sets is something I want to see more of this year. Delanie and VD are both good at blocking, they’re both fast and they both can catch/run good routes. This can allow us to pick on an OLB of our choice, and if Raye/Smith can sense an OLB blitz (I’m not holding my breath) you’re talking about big gains. One of my biggest knocks on Smith is his inability to read defenses and adjust the play…I’m praying he makes progress on that this year.
2-RB sets makes a lot of sense, but one problem I see is Gore would have to be the lead blocker, and Moran is much better at it. I’m interested to see what 2-RB packages we use this year with Gore/Westbrook.
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speed?
VD and Walker both run 4.4 of better and Crabtree get’s open despite not being the fastest guy. Plus you just sub Ginn in for Walker if you really want to stretch it. He said this was 3rd and short.
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sorry, misread
thought you said not enough speed.
but as far as spread, split the TE’s out…both are just oversized WR’s anyways and are a nightmare matchup on the outside for anyone.
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2-RB sets makes a lot of sense, but one problem I see is Gore would have to be the lead blocker,
i would expect gore to be blocking… he would be out there as a puncher or a receiver. and they can both get pitches too
notice its for 3rd and short. i originally had ted ginn out there instead of delanie walker, but on a 3rd and short i figure we dont need a guy running 40 yards down the field. we just have vd, and delanie bunching the middle and crabs going wherever he needs to, and gore and westbrook can confuse the defense. will gore punch it? with westbrook take a pitch? will they go into the flat? will they each go a few yards downfield?
Dashon, Mays, and Bamm Bamm will get the record for most decapitations in one season
by MichaelClutchtree on Aug 17, 2010 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, Ginn makes more sense to stretch the D.
With a 2-TE set, even on 3rd and short, I’d rather have two outside receivers run deep routes, run a dual-flat routes with both TEs, fake the dive to Gore and pick on the OLB of choice.
There are plays you could run with a 2-RB/2-TE set, but I just think you are limiting your options and convincing a D to crunch. And until we can throw over the top, forcing the safety to stay back, I would stay away from it.
We just traded who for who?!
I think it's a read play
Alex steps up to the line and checks the defensive personnel/formation. Then he decides from about 6 plays based on the look they give him. Nickel? TE’s split out and Westbrook motions to slot…who’s going to cover him a LB? Then you also only have 5-6 defenders inside to defend a dive/draw to Gore. Or maybe keep Westbrook back in the backfield and run them both into the flats with deep routes over the top…that’s too much field to cover. Have to beat the blitz though.
It’s just a mismatch nightmare for defenses having that many quick capable receivers and two guys who are elusive/hard to bring down as well.
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You lost me at Alex reading the defensive formation…that’s been my biggest knock on him over the last 2 years.
In all seriousness, you make good points. I guess I have more of a problem with that set formation, sans motion, than the personnel. And as you note, the problem is the blitz. Blitzing has been the bane of Alex’s existence in his entire career. He is terrible at reading it and in a formation like the one posted, you can have mis-matches all over the field, but if there isn’t enough blocking (due to RB/TE routes), and if Alex continues to fail at reading the blitz, you’re 3rd and out. I guess the same can be said for any 3rd down formation.
3rd and short was not really our problem last year. 3rd and long was the issue. And much of it had to do with Raye’s calls, but every time Alex throws 2 yards forward on 3rd and 8, I die a little inside.
Good points, and I hope to be proven wrong about a 2TE/2RB set.
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He can read the blitz fine
He can’t get a blitz pickup to happen to save his life.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 17, 2010 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
That's the set they ran most of the time from the shotgun ...
.. i’m not sure how many game’s you saw and i’m not try’n to be callous here , but lack of productivity is not on Alex , this has been a bad offensive ( team ) for a while , terrible O LINE and very few playmaker’s …!!
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Most of the plays we ran from shotgun were spread formations, and rightfully so. You don’t see shotgun in 3rd and short, you see it in 3rd and long. The set we’ve been talking about has no place on 3rd and short…we are a power I offense and pretty much all 3rd and short should be run out of it.
I’m not an overly negative person…I’ve been patient with Alex where others haven’t. But Alex is just not that good. He can step up and make a throw, albeit not very deep, when he has protection. So can most NFL quarterbacks. The parts of his game that have just not developed are reading formations, knowing what to do in blitz situations, and knowing when to stay/leave the pocket.
The offense has blame to go around…Raye, Smith and the O-Line were all issues last year. Our O-Line is improved, Smith and Raye can build off of last year…but this is a make-or-break year for Alex. Much of the lack of productivity falls on Alex. And as for playmakers, we have plenty — Gore, Davis, Crabs, Walker, Morgan….and now you add Westbrook’s versatility and Ginn’s speed…Alex really has no more excuses.
I’ve been watching Niner’s football since the early ‘80s and I watched every play of every game last year. I’m no expert…I just love Niners football.
We just traded who for who?!
IMO this is the first time ...
…this organization has given Alex a chance to succeed , but i guess we will soon see …!!
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Ummmm ... V.D. , had thirteen Td's ...
…and most were seem route’s down the middle over the top …!!
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I'm still pretty stoked over this move
I mean, we have so many playmakers on offense now. Westbrook, in a CoP/3rd down role, can still be very, very effective. Many teams these days are going to somewhat of a two back system. And even though Gore will still be the man, a tandem of Gore-Westbrook is a pretty awesome one to be trotting out there! Assuming Alex Smith comes around and things start to click, we could be very hard to stop on the offensive side of the ball!
Can’t wait for the season to start!
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by ZeroIndulgence on Aug 17, 2010 10:46 AM PDT reply actions
Westbrook will probably be the 3rd down back.
Gore will still get the huge majority of carries, but will have less receptions. Dixon will get touches during garbage time or when the Niners have a large lead.
Also, we all know Gore is going to miss his required 2-3 games with ankle problems. So Westbrook and Dixon can split snaps. Much better situation then having Dixon/Robinson splitting carries.
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by Hoopers Judge on Aug 17, 2010 1:20 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
no matter how it plays out
it’s a good pickup. Still, I hope they find a way to get Westbrook and Gore on the field at the same time because of the mysteries it would cause for the defense.
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What if??
Gore desn’t get injured this year? Consider the possibilities. No games missed, no rehab time, no changing the offensive scheme. Thats the insurance policy Westbrook may bring to the 49ers. If Frank goes out Westbrook comes in and does pretty much the same job, as long as he doesn’t get injured too….
What really gets me excited about trying to think up schemes for the Niners is that I get frustrated because I can’t seem to use everybody. We literally have so many weapons on this team that it is hard for me to think of way to get them all on the field. This is awesome.
Yeah sucks doesn't it? hehehe
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I might be getting ahead of myself
But the offense may very well be starting to get to that level of talent that we saw in the 80’s-90’s. Pretty soon it’s going to be mainly a matter of getting everyone on the same page and executing consistently. I really think we’re going to start seeing a lot more of that this season. The signing of Westbrook just made it more possible.
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I really, really, really want to agree with you. Like really, really. That being said, I think we have to give it 2-3 more years before we can start to say that. Crabs has to develop more to even be in the league of the passing attack of the 80s-90s. The VD-Smith connection needs to mesh together. Plus, Alex needs to step up big time and show that he is not a gigantic question mark. Is this a Super Bowl team in the making—I do believe so. Even a dynasty. But, we have some time before that happens, I think. I would love to be wrong though.
Me too
I just can’t go that far yet but my homerism is starting to creep up. If only we had an OC as good as our DC
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The Johnson era
may not be far behind.
What I wanna know is is there really a scenario whereby Sing and Manusky keep their jobs and only Raye goes? That’s what I’d want but you know how teams tend to clean house at times…I’d hate that.
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Yeah
In fact that’s a far more likely scenario than a clean sweep. Raye’s getting pretty old anyway and the basic feeling seems to be that Johnson will be taking over from Raye at some point in the not too distant future.
In case you hadn’t noticed the 49ers switch OC’s a lot more than head coaches . . .
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yeah
good that Johnson is sending the plays in this year. That is phase 2 of the plan. Hopefully it really is a plan to phase him into the OC role.
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What is known about Johnson as compared to a
I dunno, Hostler (I know I should be slapped around for this)? After all, he was the last guy that we promoted to OC from QB coach.
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all hostler had to freaking do was hand it to gore… but no he called bomb passes on 2nd and 2 and delayed draws out of the shotgun on 3rd and 8… hostler just thought he was too clever for his own good…
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I don’t think Raye is keeping us from being an offensive powerhouse. He just needs to start using his playbook better. I love the playbook he has, just not how he uses it.
I do agree that Raye at time's seem's preditable ...
… but i thought he did a nice job when Alex became the starter , he was willing to adapt to Alex’s style of play almost during one half of the Texan’s game … think’n at time’s he has a case of someztheimer’s , which is he forget’s that he juz called a running play’s Twelve time’s in a row …!!
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Ha! Funny, there, at the end.
I agree with what you are saying. I might get attacked for it here (I sense a general anti-Raye consensus), but I think Raye is a good OC. Not great, but a good fit for this team. That Texan game? Amazing. So were the games thereafter. I loved how he shook things up. I just wish he was more consistent. Sometimes he has the creative streaks, then other times, I just want to tear my facial hair out (and I’m of British decent—I have to work hard to grow facial hair).
Just watched the first play of the game in super slow-mo
interesting that Staley missed his block, actually tripped and hit the deck, then a pulling Iupati whiffed on his guy at the second level…culminated with the fumble…FYI
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yeah
complete misnomer
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
another funny thing I saw
on the Reggie Smith INT TD….guess who he jumped up and celebrated with first (at least on the national footage)?
Chilo Rachal…funny.
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Chilo, lol
What was he doing on the field?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
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by SportsChicken on Aug 18, 2010 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
running out for XP duty
but after the dance in the endzone as RS was running to the sidelines he did the “jump/bang into one another” celebration with Chilo…
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As already mentioned
1) great 3rd down option
2) solid FT back up
3) master of protection (out of NFC East)
4) Crazy awesome dump off back – Smith will need that
5) can teach Dixon protection
6) Gore, WB, and Dixon all offer something different and complemetary
7*) Coffee is a better judge of his own talent than the 49ers staff.
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT

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