Niners Nation Needs Your Help: Sites/Magazines That Make Team Predictions?
Hey everyone...
Ask and ye shall receive. Based on niners84's burning yearning for a comparison between Football Outsiders' (FO) team win projections and other football prognosticators, I've taken it upon myself to expand on what Vegas Watch already does, and track the accuracy of as many sites/magazines that provide win predictions for all 32 NFL teams. In this way, I'll be able to provide you with something resembling what Fantasy Football Librarian does vis-a-vis fantasy projections.
Of course, I'm not all-knowing, so my limited memory capacity doesn't afford me the ability to think of every single site/magazine that provides win predictions. This presents a problem because, in order for me to make this as useful as possible, I need to be able to track a large sample of prognosticators. That's where you guys come in. For this post, I need you to populate the comments section with the names of/links to sites that predict win totals for all 32 teams.
I'm not going to be particularly selective, so what I just put in bold italics is the only requirement for inclusion in my accuracy analysis. Basically, if the site/magazine predicts wins for all 32 teams, they're in. One thing I haven't decided yet is whether to include multiple staff writers from the same site/magazine (e.g., Pete Prisco & Clark Judge individually), or just go with the official site-/magazine-wide prediction (e.g., CBS Sports' NFL preview). Nevertheless, because this is in the exploratory phase, I'll just err on the side of "more prognosticators," and let individual writers into the sample for now.
The beauty of this is that, over time, I'll be able to determine long-term accuracy rates, and develop a prognosticator-based statistical model that helps us be even more accurate than they are. In other words, I'll be able to do what Nate Silver did in 2008 over at fivethirtyeight.com, i.e., take the wisdom of crowds, weight members of that crowd according to their accuracy, throw in some other factors, and then make our little site the worldwide leader in team-win prognostication. OK, maybe that's just a taaaaaaad bit ambitious given how much ridiculously harder it is to predict football than it is to predict elections, and how much smaller my sample sizes will be; but I think it'll be fun, maybe even worthy of a drinking game at some point.
After the jump, my preliminary population of potential pundits/prognosticators...
OK, here's what I've come up with so far:
Stats-Based Team Projections
- FootballOutsiders.com
- Accuscore.com
- WhatIfSports.com
- Cold Hard Football Facts (if they post specific win projections this season)
- BleacherReport.com (based on their Possession Points System)
- RationalPicks.com
Handicapping-Based Team Projections
- Covers.com
- FootballLocks.com
Journalism-Based Team Projections
- CBSSports.com
- ESPN.com
- SI.com
- Athlon Sports
- Sporting News/Street & Smith's
- Yahoo/Pro Football Weekly
That's only 14, so I need a lot more to make this little exercise as much fun/interesting as possible. One last thing I'll mention is that, if you suggest a site/magazine that puts their team win projections behind a paywall, Niners Nation doesn't have the money to buy a subscription (especially after paying for Fooch's law school tuition and fees). However, if you personally are already behind that paywall, and want me to include the projections behind that paywall, there'll be a special procedure so that we're not breaking any copyright laws (::clears throat:: soon-to-be-lawyer runs site ::clears throat::). I'll get into that special procedure -- along with a broader introduction -- at some other time.
One other thing before I go. Vegas Watch has followed FO's team win projections for 4 years running. Once I get our master list together, I'd like to go back and evaluate the various prognosticators' picks from previous seasons. Again, the larger the sample, the better. So, when you're suggesting sites/magazines, indicate whether or not the particular outfit (a) has projected team wins in previous seasons, and, if so, (b) whether or not their earlier projections are still publicly available. If they're not publicly available at the current time -- probably because it involves a magazine -- indicate whether or not you have them on hand so you can. When I detail the special procedure I mentioned above, it'll become clear how we'd go about including them in the database.
OK, I'm done. Fire away!
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walterfootball.com
I don’t know if he has finished updating his prediction for win totals though.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
http://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/futures/
…hope that work’s . team win’s for the year …!!
Gotta love a woman that wear's knee pad's to work ...!!
Don't put it in the top line
put it in the body of your text
by mr. instigator on Aug 2, 2010 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
kewl ...
http://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/futures/
Gotta love a woman that wear's knee pad's to work ...!!
it's not as awesome as...
“banging the book”
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Aug 2, 2010 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm going to come up with my own predictions
Still I like to see a little preseason before finalizing (I have a fan post planned). I don’t typically prognosticate win totals but will give it shot if you want to conclude me as subjective fan in the survey.
I think you have most of the main websites covered. US Today? I don’t know if they make preseason predictions. You can also take a look at most NFL cities newspapers, typically someone pens 32 team prediction.
Also don’t forget to the check the TV Network websites. Can probably find some analyst/commentator predictions on NBC, CBS & Fox.
you should disqualify any set of predictions
where the win-loss records of all 32 teams dont add up right.
i have seen projections before that predict more wins than losses throughout the league. as if that’s possible somehow.
When life gives you fruit, add a bunch of sugar to it.
I think I'm most excited by
How accurate some of these places are compared to just picking every team for an 8-8 record.
This is a really good idea...
by Iupati_like_its_1999 on Aug 2, 2010 6:52 PM PDT reply actions
even the sun...
shines on a dog’s (site decorum) some days
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Aug 2, 2010 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s only 14, so I need a lot more to make this little exercise as much fun/interesting as possible.
Well most of the major sports magazines have several sports writers doing it. Couldn’t you use them to increase the numbers?
Logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority
yeah...
but i still need help getting the names of writers who do it…i mean, i don’t buy, nor know of, every magazine and every mazagine writer who picks em…help people!
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Aug 2, 2010 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Sports Illustrated
Peter King and Dr Z both do picks. Peter Schrager does predictions for Fox Sports (though I have no idea why you’d want to sully yourself by visiting any portion of Fox News).
http://www.betvega.com/2010-nfl-predictions-0802101/
Logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority
Just the vegas odds
How about also just using the over/under lines from Vegas as a prediction of the gambling hordes?
Vegas odds
I’m heading to Las Vegas for my birthday in two weeks. I’ll make sure and grab that info.
by David Fucillo on Aug 3, 2010 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Here's one...
http://www.footballfanspot.com/preseasonpowerrankings.htm
It’s pretty terrible (as in, I disagree with a lot of it)
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