49ers 15 - Vikings 10: Nate Davis shines
by smileyman on Aug 22, 2010 8:16 PM PDT
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The San Francisco 49ers played their first home game of the pre-season and as expected most of the pre-game talk was about He Who Shall Not Be Named. The offense opened up with a spectacular opening drive that marched the length of the field and then punctuated it with a toss to Anthony Dixon who went around the end for the touchdown. The 49ers were playing without Frank Gore, Vernon Davis and Michael Crabtree but still managed to convert all three of their 3rd downs on that drive.
The defense took the field next and were fired up. They whiffed on the first play giving up 11 yards, but then Adrian Peterson was tackled by two 49ers for a loss. AP ran it for a short gain up the middle and then the defense brought the pressure with a double inside linebacker blitz that crushed The Old Man. The Vikings punted the ball away and Favre wouldn't come back in the game (though Al Michaels wouldn't stop talking about him).
Join me below the jump for some quick thoughts, quick stats and a poll question.
Alex Smith had a great first drive going 5/6 for 59 yards. For the game he would end up 9/13 for 88 yards, 0 TDs and 0 INTs. On that first drive the offense went 3/3 on 3rd downs (a major area of concern for us last year), including an impressive 3rd and 11 completion by Alex Smith. The offense would not be as effective the rest of the game finishing with a third down completion percentage of 37%.
Dixon started the game and got plenty of action, though he struggled somewhat the first quarter before warming up a bit and getting some good action. He dropped a couple of crucial passes but otherwise looked good, making some great blocks and showing quick feet. He does have a tendency to dance too much and I'm sure he'll have that pointed out to him this week.
Nate Davis started the second half and looked very, very impressive. I've not been on the bandwagon, simply because I wanted to see more from him, but he made a strong case for himself today to take over the #2 job from Carr. His most impressive play was a 60 yard strike to Ginn which he threw from the 49ers own goal line. That throw elicited comparisons from Collinsworth to HOFer John Elway.
Ted Ginn Jr. also saw plenty of action at WR and was inconsistent. His stat line was 2 receptions for 65 yards, but one of those was a 60 yard bomb. He dropped two passes on critical downs and could've finished with 100 yards receiving had he caught those.
Defensively LaBoy and Bowman got the starts. Bowman was pretty quiet, but LaBoy made some impressive plays from the OLB position. He did give up a big pass play but he got consistent pressure and ended the game with 1 sack as well as a bunch of hurries.
Phillip Adams stepped up big time at the CB spot and made some impressive plays including 4 tackles and a couple of passes defended. I think this game solidified him as a lock for the roster.
Overall our defense looked stellar as usual, giving consistent pass rush and decent pass protection though tackling was very sloppy. The game ended on a high note as the 49ers defense sacked VIkings 4th string QB Joe Webb in the end zone for a safety.
Game Stats:
Offense
Alex Smith--9/13 for 88 yards, 0 TDs, 0 INTs
Nate Davis--7/16 for 114 yars, 0 TDs 0 INTs
Anthony Dixon--20 carries for 51 yards
Ted Ginn--2 receptions 65 yards
Delanie Walker--3 receptions for 47 yards
Dominique Zeigler--3 receptions for 33 yards
Defense
Philliip Adams led the team with 4 tackles
Patrick Willis, Diyral Briggs, Travis LaBoy, and Derek Walker all notched sacks. No INTs or Forced Fumbles this game but the defense still played well, holding the Vikings to 114 yards rushing (most of it coming on QB scrambles from Jackson and Webb) and 79 yards passing.
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Of Course Davis should be number 2, Carr is meh, and Davis may know more of the playbook than him.
Deep throws, I like them from time to time, but it’s not apart of the norm around here. DAVIS DAAVIS DAVIS, for number 2 that is…..
Black Sand Ninja!!!
Deep throws aren't part of the norm because we don't have anyone who can do it
After that completion I was like holy cow….When was the last time we saw one of those? Steve maybe? I seriously can’t remember.
that was pure arm strength by Nate the Great
and speed by Ginn.
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by Iupati_like_its_1999 on Aug 22, 2010 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions
That speed is why the Niners are excited about Ginn
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AND HE CAUGHT IT!
Guys! Did you see him catch it?! Magical.
I’m excited for him. I like the potential our fifth round pick got us.
Well he also dropped two other passes
one on a critical 3rd down from Smith.
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That was on Alex
Alex knew it when he went to the sideline. I think I saw him swing his arm and curse when the camera was on it.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 22, 2010 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Eh
the Ginn pass was a bit off but if you put a hand on it you should be able to bring it down
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I do think that Alex has more of a rocket than people give him credit for
which I think leads to more tipped balls by his receivers, especially if they’re coming from a different QB (every one of the WRs last year and Ginn this year)
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I think he throws his short to mid-range passes pretty hard, which is good. But I’m not sure his over all down field arm strength is all that good. Unless he just hasn’t shown it off much. I’m definitely more impressed on how well he has been getting rid of the ball and not relying on his first option.
His "rocket arm" needs to let go of the ball a fraction sooner.
If I see one more pass too damn high in the air I’m going to freak out.
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by James Brady on Aug 22, 2010 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Well it's something
either a rocket arm, or a flat trajectory or something.
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Oh it's there.
And he gets the general area right most of the time, but everything is so high.
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by James Brady on Aug 22, 2010 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions
It was really a hard play.
It was high and on his rear hip. As an NFL receiver should he make the play? Yes. But as an NFL receiver how many actually do make that play consistantly? I’d say probably less than 10 % and most of them are the guys that we recognize as valuable possession receivers and stars.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 22, 2010 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions
FIRST
ABSOLUTELY
Dashon, Mays, and Bamm Bamm will get the record for most decapitations in one season
by MichaelClutchtree on Aug 22, 2010 8:22 PM PDT reply actions
Fail
"Dodger fans aren’t happy when foul balls get into their section, because it interferes with their playing with the beachball"- Mike Krukow
oh wow, what BS
i posted it first and i was first. i even saw rlott post after me.
someone switched them
Dashon, Mays, and Bamm Bamm will get the record for most decapitations in one season
by MichaelClutchtree on Aug 22, 2010 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions
you're upset about this?
really?
Personally I want to ban anybody who does that.
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by smileyman on Aug 22, 2010 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
no lol
Dashon, Mays, and Bamm Bamm will get the record for most decapitations in one season
by MichaelClutchtree on Aug 22, 2010 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm all for it
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Yeah, I know
So did Diyral Briggs, Travis Laboy and Derek Walker
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Best sack of the game
Very satisfying.
27 da. . .Shut up mango :P
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by Mangoman on Aug 22, 2010 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Does anyone think that with all the LBs we have, we can have some tempting trade bait for other teams lacking in the LB department by the time final cuts come along?
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by MichaelClutchtree on Aug 22, 2010 8:24 PM PDT reply actions
probably draft picks.
you can never have too many of those.
When life gives you fruit, add a bunch of sugar to it.
by these3words on Aug 22, 2010 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions
quick question:
does anyone know where i can get a card that says, “I’m sorry I beat up your kitten in anger during a meaningless football game that my team ended up winning and was never even behind in”?
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by these3words on Aug 22, 2010 8:24 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Try Hallmark.
They’re supposed to have a card for every occasion.
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Pitted against a strong D and running the Old Man down...
Made this a good night to be a Niner fan, imho. I think it fair to say that the SF Defense was the more hostile of the two teams, and although the offenses tonight were somewhat limited in production (decent nights had by both Smith and Davis), they moved the ball enough to keep Manusky’s guys rested and ready… aside from a minor brain fart late.
Good show on national TV no less – this was a decent way to reach a wider audience and show some strong Niner potency off.
"Three man rush, and Young stumbles on the way back and fires up the middle - pass is caught by Owens! Owens made the catch!"
"HO-HI-HO-HUAHA!"
-Pat's and John's subsequent and intelligible reactions to The Catch II
Coach Sing has just said he questions N Davis work ethic.
He said that during the off season is where he is not putting in the time & effort. Now that’s from the coach who sees him everyday!
"Moving Forward."
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from the press interview after. I imagine we’ll have the interview up at some point
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Oh ok
I was grilling some stuff and didn’t catch as much as I should’ve
by mr. instigator on Aug 22, 2010 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions
post game presser
comcast after the game
by On the fifty on Aug 22, 2010 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions
And he was really happy with Nate today on the sidelines wasn't he?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
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by SportsChicken on Aug 22, 2010 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Iupati
He’s gotta be one of N. Davis’ biggest fans if not the biggest after tonight. Way to get over after nearly giving up a sack!
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i have a feeling i'm going to be on the wrong side of this poll, but...
the whole point of a #2 QB is for it to be a guy that can step in at a moment’s notice should the #1 get hurt. indeed, that’s why SF signed carr. he’s a vet who can step in at a moment’s notice. it’s why dilfer was brought in when smith was the starter before his shoulder issues. it’s why rattay was brought in when garcia was the starter. teams that are any good simply don’t have “project” QBs as their #2. as of now, davis has basically never played against starting NFL defenses. carr has. despite what the davis-lovers might say to the contrary, whatever good we’ve seen of davis has been against scrubs. he’s a virtual unknown. i’ll solidify my point with an example…
let’s say the niners are sailing along @ 8-4, tied with ARI for 1st in the west. alex smith pulls a pulls a hamstring in their 12th game. of their final 4 games, 3 are divisional, and they end the season with a probable win-or-go-home game vs. ARI. by saying davis should be #2, what you’re saying is that the niners should go into that do-or-die stretch, where the entire season is on the line, with a starting QB who has never played a meaningful snap against a starting NFL defense. not to mention that, being the #2 for the entire reg season to that point, he’d never even practice against the starting SF defense. i’m sorry, but that’s bordering on insanity.
of course, whether davis should be the #2 is irrelevant. the fact is that, barring injury to carr, he won’t be the #2. not with the totally risk-averse philosophy that singletary and raye have. although, as i said before, risk aversion @ the QB position is not idiosyncratic to singletary & raye (singraye?).
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Aug 22, 2010 8:35 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
I feel the same
I like Davis! It might be that he will be really good, but if he gets on the field this year, something went very wrong
by On the fifty on Aug 22, 2010 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions
What if you need to run the field with a minute left?
For that there’s only one answer: Nate’s the man. No contest.
yes, you win...
if the season comes down to a hail mary from your own 30, nate davis is your man in 2010. of course, if he’s the #3 QB, he can only come in if both smith and carr are hurt. but, in theory, i like the “nate FTW from 70 yards out.”
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Aug 22, 2010 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions
No he can come in if neither one of 'em are hurt
they just can’t come back in after he comes in
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ah, right...
jesus, that’s 2 NFL rules brain cramps in one thread. drinking game? what’s awesome is that i actually used to ref a fair amount of football back in the day. haha.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Aug 22, 2010 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Correct
If its 1 play and we’re on our own 40 NDIOF
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 22, 2010 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions
reminds me of how the patriots went 16-0
because Kyle Boller can only throw about 45 yards.
he completed a hail mary on the last play of the game, but he didnt get the ball all the way to the end zone.
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by these3words on Aug 22, 2010 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions
wait, you mean...
kyle boller of “i can throw the ball through the uprights from midfield while on my knees” fame? sounds very seduced-by-arm-strength familiar vis-a-vis NDIOF.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Aug 22, 2010 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Kinda agree with you.
I don’t think Nate is ready to handle a 1st string D during the regular season game. It could come in time with practise.
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by Hoopers Judge on Aug 22, 2010 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions
teams that are any good simply don’t have "project" QBs as their #2
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by MichaelClutchtree on Aug 22, 2010 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
ok...let me qualify all points i ever make about the QB position by saying
“except for IND”…their #1 QB hasn’t missed a game in 12 seasons. i think it’s safe to assume they’re never going to have to deal with the problem i was talking about in relation to the #2 QB.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Aug 22, 2010 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions
but see, the issue is that he seemingly will never get the chance.
I was NOT on the Nate Davis bandwagon before tonight. I was so tired of it. But he really looked good out there today.
Yes, I know Carr will stay the #2. But when will Nate Davis ever get the chance against starting defenses? We’re not a team that will likely be up by 30 with 5 minutes to go, when we can put in our backup guy, a la Kevin Kolb. We will likely always be in the game until the end, whether ahead or behind, so I just don;t see an opportunity for nate to get a chance.
Dashon, Mays, and Bamm Bamm will get the record for most decapitations in one season
by MichaelClutchtree on Aug 22, 2010 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions
if he continues to progress...
he’ll get his shot a couple of years from now. IIRC, that’s what happened with rattay. 7th rounder, was #3 for a while, then became #2 for a while, then took over for garcia when needed. kurt warner also comes to mind. he didn’t just become #2 right out of the grocery store. #3 for a bit, then #2, then took over for t green when needed.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Aug 22, 2010 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions
He will never play against first team D's
’till he puts in the work in the off season & learns the WHOLE playbook!!
"Moving Forward."
what was it about...
tonight’s performance that made you jump on the bandwagon? one 60-yard pass against 3rd stringers? so he can throw the bal reeeeeeeeeal far. we already knew that.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Aug 22, 2010 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I haven't jumped on the bandwagon yet
but I’ve started to inch towards it.
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I'm not nearly as critical of his play as you are
sure he had some mistakes but I thought he looked ok based on being a 2nd year player. He made a few bonehead plays but he made a few plays that kept the drive alive.
He’s also got a rocket for an arm (yeah, I know, so did JaMarcus Russell). He’s also got more upside than Carr.
But I’m not saying he should be the #2. I’m just not hating on him as much as I was earlier.
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i don't think i'm being all that critical...
just bringing up the negatives because it seems like most people are like, “wow, he completed a 60-yard pass. he should be #2;” and ignoring all the obvious negatives. of course, this is most likely due to me once again not being on the same blind, pie-in-the-sky, homerist wavelength that most fans are. if someone thinks being a fan means never having to say “you suck,” i’m probably not going to get anywhere bringing up, you know, both sides of the evidence. in other words analytical can’t talk to emotional.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Aug 22, 2010 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh I get that
and the Nate Davis crowd is mostly about emotion due to his big play abilities.
I would like to see two more halves of Davis this pre-season. I liked seeing him get a whole half of play
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even though it would never happen...
i’d like to see him start the next game. the first half of the 3rd preseason game is the only one that even remotely resembles a regular season talent contest.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Aug 22, 2010 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions
That would be nice
See if he can actually compete against 1st stringers
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I agree with this for one important reason: the 49ers play San Diego in the regular season. Starting Nate Davis would be throwing a curveball at San Diego’s scouts.
No crow for me thanks, Brandon Jones cut.
by Andrew Davidson on Aug 22, 2010 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't mind seeing Nate play the first 3 quarters in the 4th game
But Alex needs to play a lot next week.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
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by SportsChicken on Aug 22, 2010 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Alex is already getting more play than most starting QBs
he’s played all of the 1st halves of both our games so far
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He still needs more
He’s not exactly a stud QB…
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Aug 22, 2010 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I know, but I want to see him some more. I felt like he was just warming up before he got pulled. I just don’t think we should get caught up in this Nate frenzy so much that we forget Carr. As much as I like Nate; he’s got at least 2 more years before he becomes refined. Carr is a much more immediate guy for us.
Rest Alex Smith, Crabtree and Vernon next game
Give Davis the backup wideouts and Ginn and Delanie with the starting line. Let him and Carr play the whole game. Then give the whole starting offense 2 quarters in game 4
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 22, 2010 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions
As much as I love Nate and his entertaining play
Alex looks like he needs some serious practice time on the field.
Coach Boone: And who's team is this, Gary? Is this your team? Or is this your daddy's team?
Bertier: Yours.
Coach Boone: Now get on the bus. Put on your jacket first and then get on the bus.
That's not going to happen
Alex needs all the snaps against the opposing 1st stringers so he can be 100% ready for the regular season.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Aug 22, 2010 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions
of course...
the only people getting emotional about a preseason game should be NBC when talking about bretfar.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Aug 22, 2010 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions
i should add...
for every 60-yard bomb from the shadow of the goalposts, there’s the play he had no clue where the first down marker was and dove a yard short. or the other one where he has 30 yards of open space on 3rd and 4, and he starts to run, but then chucks a 50-yard duck to jason hill into tight coverage. i mean, just totally bone-headed plays. i’ll take a #1 QB who can only throw the ball 40 yards, but do so efficiently, over a guy who sprinkles in a 60-yarder once a game amidst 65 plays of inefficient dreck.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Aug 22, 2010 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions
as a #2 QB...
sure. he fits the mold exactly. he’d still be in SF if it weren’t for the fact that the niners wanted to show confidence in smith as the unquestioned starter once and for all. if hill was still around, it’d be a nother alex vs. shaun debate after every game.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Aug 22, 2010 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions
so what your saying is...
you despise Ball State?
also...
the curtis painter experiment doesn’t exactly provide evidence that having a project QB at #2 is a good thing.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Aug 22, 2010 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions
and
the guy is 23 years old he has time
by On the fifty on Aug 22, 2010 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions
This is the truth
I think that when Peyton’s done they just draft a guy to replace him
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I don’t even know if they have a strategy for that. I mean, Peyton’s probably got a long way to go. I don’t see him leaving Indy soon.
Guess we'll see how long he has left when his new deal is done
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True. Could just up and leave the organization. I sort of doubt it though. I think they will take care of him. He’s earned it.
He'll be a Colt for life
he calls the offensive plays from the huddle right now. He even has his own office in the Colts headquarters. My guess is that he goes straight from playing to be named the offensive coordinator.
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What makes you think that Nate is less capable than David Carr right now?
I mean, he’s David Carr. He’s not that exciting. I don’t see that it’s a slam dunk that, 3/4 of the way through the season, where Nate has been getting the key practice reps, Carr will be better.
Carr is a career sub-60% passer.
I think the long-term health of the franchise is much better served by having Nate the #2. He gets more meaningful practice reps, he gets a few mop-up series here and there. And I’m not convinced there’s a drop off if Smith gets hurt. Also:
not to mention that, being the #2 for the entire reg season to that point, he’d never even practice against the starting SF defense.
Isn’t this wrong? The #2 runs the scout team against the first defense. The #1 practices against the second-team defense aping the D of next-weeks opponent.
And, again, here’s the long-term health question: the team needs to think not just about this year, but next year and the year after. Particular if Smith is less than spectacular, can we afford not to know?
Where have you been?
I do see what he saying. If Alex Smith were to miss a game I’d rather have David Carr fill in.
However, if Alex Smith were to miss most the season I’d seriously consider Nate Davis as my QB. I know I can manage a few games with Carr but if I want to make the playoffs I might have to go with the wildcard in Davis.
exactly...
if smith gets hurt in week 1, you start carr week 2 and prep davis to take over week 5 or so…that is, if you believe nate gives the better chance to salvage a playoff season out of those 12 remaining games.
but if smith gets hurt in week 12, you don’t just throw nate in there at that point to preserve what appears to be a lock playoff spot @ 8-4.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Aug 22, 2010 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I feel you give too much credit to David Carr
He’s really not good.
I still wish we had Shaun Hill as a No.2, honestly.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Aug 22, 2010 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions
David Carr is more in the style of Alex Smith
and like Florida Danny said if we had Hill there would be endless calls for him to start
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Fan complaints don't matter
I don’t consider Carr a good QB. If Alex Smith was to get hurt for the final 4 games of the season as Danny says then I would much rather have Hill over Carr.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Aug 22, 2010 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions
it's not about thinking david carr is any good...
the guy is obviously a busted draft pick who’s not all that good. it’s just that, in the example i gave above, he is the better option to start in a situation where alex will only miss a few games, and that’s the only reason he’s the #2. and, as i said 4 replies up, if you change the context to “alex smith is out for the year in week 1,” then the whole decision-making process changes. not to mention the fact that, in the changed context, nate is already the #2 by default.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Aug 22, 2010 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Carr could be good. People in NY seemed to think he has potential. I don’t think the Niners are going to find that potential. We only want him as a back-up. Somewhere else though.
Danny, I like your logic in this regard. Carr is the guy who can step in for a game to game basis. Davis needs another couple years before reaching his potential.
Agreed
The only difference is he didn’t have shitbag Nolan throw him under the bus while seriously injured
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 22, 2010 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Hill was a gamer!
Coach Boone: And who's team is this, Gary? Is this your team? Or is this your daddy's team?
Bertier: Yours.
Coach Boone: Now get on the bus. Put on your jacket first and then get on the bus.
In his last 3 games or so as a starter...
Hill was totally useless. His limitations got exposed.
there's nothing...
i like more than when i avoid logic fails. thanks.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Aug 22, 2010 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Have you ever taken a Meyers-Brigs test?
I only ask because reading your comments in the past—as well as your posts—has piqued my curiosity. I took it and got INTJ, which means I am a highly rational person. I just thought you might be similar. Your arguments are always structurally organized.
Also, in a similar vein, how much Classical training do you have? I only ask because your logic follows the, well, “rules” set out by Aristotle, Plato, etc.
If Hill had Crabtree
He’d be starting this year and Alex would be backup!
Coach Boone: And who's team is this, Gary? Is this your team? Or is this your daddy's team?
Bertier: Yours.
Coach Boone: Now get on the bus. Put on your jacket first and then get on the bus.
but then we wouldn't have Detroit's 7th round pick next year.
and who knows, we could land the next Phillip Adams with that pick.
When life gives you fruit, add a bunch of sugar to it.
Carr can do Hill's job
And game manage throwing 15 passes and just doing everything in his power to not get intercepted.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 22, 2010 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah...
you know what, you’re right about that. brain cramp. i’m allowed. of course, this has to be a brain cramp on your part:
I’m not convinced there’s a drop off if Smith gets hurt.
i mean, really? alex smith is more hannah montana than joe montana, but no drop-off from a 5-yr vet who’s been in this system for 2 years to a guy who doesn’t even know the whole playbook yet and hasn’t played a meaningful NFL down?
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Aug 22, 2010 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Eh. Sorry. I was writing quickly and misspoke.
I meant a dropoff between Carr and Davis if Smith gets hurt. My mistake.
ALthough interestingly I’m reconsidering in light on Sing’s comments about him postgame.
Disagree...........
Kurt warner, who was he when Green went down? Carr has not been very successful in the NFL. Now that doesn’t mean he can’t, just that he hasn’t. Carr holds the ball too long resulting in sacks, one problem that Hill had. Davis has more natural ability and can avoid the sack and buy time for recievers to get open (see 70 yarder to Ginn). Carr would’ve been sacked on that play or thrown it away. Pluss Carr doesn’t have the ability to throw it 65 yards in the air.
Davis did play against the #2’s and not the #3’s or #4’s, so not all scrubs. Carr did not get any time. and this should offically destroy any notion that Brown will over take davis as the #3 QB, let alone the #2 position, if he earns it.
by ericalancanty on Aug 22, 2010 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions
just so we have our facts straight...
kurt warner’s ascension to NFL stardom, as i alluded to earlier, was not piggly wiggly —> rams starter. rather, he was signed in 1998, was allocated to NFL europe, where he led the league in passing yards and TDs. that performance convinced STL to make him their #2, so they cut both of the QBs ahead of him on the depth chart and signed trent green. then green’s knee explodes. then warner starts.
davis’s career thus far does not resemble that path at all, so there’s absolutely no comparison. despite what the conventional wisdom is, kurt warner did not bag groceries one week and then win a super bowl the next week.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Aug 22, 2010 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions
i'll add...
granted his performance was against subpar talent in NFL europe. however, the key distinction is that he led the league in 2 major passing categories. so, if you really want to make a nate davis comparison given equally crappy opposition, i’ll make you a bet. when the day arrives that nate davis leads the NFL in passing during the preseason, he will become #2 at that point.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Aug 22, 2010 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions
NFL Europe starters > 3rd/4th string camp bodies.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 22, 2010 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions
even better...
for my argument, i mean.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Aug 22, 2010 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I was agreeing with you
By the time guys get into the full swing of an NFL Europe season and are playing within the limits of their system they are more developed than the guys that are trying to latch onto roster spots in the NFL.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 22, 2010 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah, i was thanking you...
for making my point even stronger. no sarcasm. just as an aside, on warner’s wiki i learned that jake delhomme was warner’s backup in NFLE. that says valumes about the talent.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Aug 22, 2010 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I live in Sacto and used to have tickets to the Sacramento Surge and Sacramento Gold Miners
The dudes in CFL and World League/NFL Europe are pretty much every dude that was average in college and has raised their game to high level college play. Might not be good enough for NFL ball but they would be stars if they got put back on the college field. The level of competition is very high.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 22, 2010 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m confused how your point got stronger. You also left out Warners Arena Football time. So Warner did in fact go from playing scrubs to winning a Super Bowl almost over night. As opposed to Davis being good enough to stay in the NFL from the get go. Granted Warner was actually playing football as opposed to sitting on the bench which makes a big difference even if it is ‘scrubs’. If you want a more viable person to your argument, lets talk about Tom Brady. He was thrust into action in only in his second season and led them to a Super Bowl. You never know what you have until you throw them out there. I’m not suggesting I would like to see Davis playing this year, that means things went wrong. But if it did come to it, that means the coaches feel good about him and I can’t say I wouldn’t be a little excited about it. I enjoy watching the kid play, he brings a level of excitement.
Obviously they don't feel good about him
Since Singletary raked him over the coals for not learning the playbook
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 22, 2010 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions
He was talking about past. Clearly they do feel good about him or they wouldn’t have played him for a whole half. I was saying, if he did play during the season over Carr it would be because they feel good about him.
No he wasn't
he was clearly upset about this game. It was not a happy Coach Singletary
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I'm not even going to argue about this
You guys are trying to bring up arguments based on how coaches think of him now. I said nothing about that in my statement. I was merely bringing up situational instances and somehow it turned into present situations.
No.
Davis blew several play calls and protections. He’s not ready.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 22, 2010 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions
He was talking about past. Clearly they do feel good about him
Just letting you know when you’re wrong. They were talking about him not doing the things he needs to do to be a professional.
And they feel good about the natural tools he has but not about him being an NFL QB.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 22, 2010 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I was talking about him getting the playing time for this game. They liked what they were seeing from him which is why he got the extended look tonight. Last week they were saying, yes he is looking good, making all the plays, we need to see him play better compitition. Now he makes some mistakes and it’s all hate. That’s ridiculous
We're not making this stuff up
Singletary blasted him during the presser
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I believe you
Still think it’s a bit ridiculous though. Especially with a young player like that, by all means blast him face to face, coach him. I don’t think he did anything to deserve being blasted through the media. I’d be ready to fight if someone did that to me
He obviously made mistakes
Mistakes which the crowd (at the Stick) probably weren’t aware of.
In other words, if Singletary wanted to prop up his #1 guy by pointing out how the backup screwed up (and rightly I might add), I have no problem with it.
As far as coach Singletary and the 49ers – Singletary, that dude is legit. He’s legit on all levels. He’s doing what he feels is right.
---Former 49er running back Glen Coffee
Why would you need to bash your backups to make a point on your starter? There is no logic in that. As I recall, it started the downfall of Nolan by doing simalar things calling out players in the media. It does nothing positive for the team. Sing is not a douche like Nolan, but I’d hate to see him make simalar personnel mistakes. There was a whole lot of “I think” in his statements tonight which also leads me to believe he was just speaking on emotions. I just didn’t find it very professional, which he usually is.
Go read the whole transcript. It isn’t a bash-fest. Sing was actually pretty nice to Nate. It’s just a few sentences taken out of context that seems harsh. Sing’s just telling it as it is. Nolan just BS’ed his way through. Big difference.
I ended up reading it and that is exactly right
People seem to take a lot of things out of context around here. Also, if you go to 49ers.com, they completely removed that part of the press conference from the video.
i think smiley's point above me...
pretty much sums it up. i’d just add that my point is that warner did not go from playing scrubs to winning a super bowl “almost over night.” it was a multi-year process, and warner’s own league-leading performance forced his team’s hand. they cut the 2 guys ahead of him on the depth chart after he destroyed NFLE. if/when davis ever destroys NFL backups during the preseason, it will force the 49ers’ hand. to this point, it’s pretty obvious he hasn’t. it’s a matter of the player proving himself as obviously better than the backups he’s playing against, earning the trust/support of his coaching staff, and then moving into the #2 QB slot. warner did that pretty clearly. davis hasn’t. end of story.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Aug 22, 2010 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions
but brady...
was already the #2 in NE. warner was already the #2 in STL. hell, cassel was already the #2 in NE when brady went down. of course, in that early-season-major-injury-to-starting-QB situation, i’ve already said i’d go with davis over carr. my whole point is that it’s a process, and guys don’t just go from #3 to football hero in 5 minutes, which is what many of the davis-lovers seem to be suggesting is probable.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Aug 22, 2010 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Did u hear
what Sing said, Nate didn’t work enough in the off season!!! That’s pretty disappointing on Nate’s part. Why not study your ass off, If alex smith was ahead of me in the depth chart I would be sure to get the play book down because good chance your going in at some point. also davis is 23. what if u put him in and he sucks? . The guy will have time to study the play book all next year due to the lock out. lol
by On the fifty on Aug 22, 2010 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Complete agreement
There’s no reason to name Davis the #2. He’s making strides, obviously. He has a lot of talent, obviously. Carr will serve us better as a low risk, competent back up.
"Son, I'm going to break you like a wild horse." - Mike Singletary
I agree with this completely...
There is literally no reason to rush Nate Davis. He has the potential to be great, but he needs to be allowed to develop at his own pace. And he will be allowed to because we have our starter in Smith, and a backup in Carr who can come in if needed and provide probably the exact same production as Smith. Basically, we know what we have between the two of them. Davis needs time to develop more, he needs more time to fully grasp the offense, and he needs more time to work with coaches and players on his game.
In a year or two, if he keeps up his progress, I’ll jump on the “Nate Davis should be the backup” bandwagon. Until then, I think he’s being handled just fine.
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by ZeroIndulgence on Aug 23, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
I missed a lot of the game actually
But the only Nate Davis pass I saw thrown was a wobbly, high hospital ball to Nate Byham
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he uncorked a 65-yard throw to Ted Ginn Jr. that was the stuff of legend.
I may hate your timing, but I can't hate your reason for leaving. Vaya con Dios, Glen Coffee.
Nice game today. Lots of good signs.
Alex driving on the Vikings 1st team D with the 2nd string skill players is absolutely gratifying to see. He looked confident and poised out there, much better then last week. And Nate Davis becomes his backup after today’s performance.
Philip Adams needs to make the team somehow, and Wilhelm needs to be cut or buried down the depth chart. Also our rookie O-Linemen need some more work. And Ginn needs to become the #4 WR behind Ziggy.
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Yup
Adams reminds me of a CB who could get by as a LB. Dude was all over the field.
Davis at some point this season if not in the preseason could very well take on the #2 QB spot. He still needs work on some fundamental skills. His red zone play still could use a lot of work.
Ziggy in my opinion is right up there with Ginn as the #3 receiver. Could very well overtake him at any time.
I think Wilhelm only because of experience is worth one more good look. But if he continues to have the average play he’s been showing, I’d say he’s out. If I had to make a choice right now as far as who bumps him out I’d say it should be Balogun, but that’s only because he comes from a more prominent college program. I could be convinced that Kristick should make it over him though.
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Wilhelm only makes the roster because there's no one better to replace him.
But Adams, my god what a find he was in the 7th round. It’d be a crime if he doesn’t make the 53 if he shows that ability during the rest of the preseason. He’d get snapped up immediately if the Niners tried to put him on the PS.
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by Hoopers Judge on Aug 22, 2010 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Willis
can play as good as two ILBs so all is good :)
McKillop going down for the year may become a bigger blow then expected if Wilhelm becomes any sort of primary backup.
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by Hoopers Judge on Aug 22, 2010 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Diyral Briggs is an ILB
Patrick Willis
Takeo Spikes
Navorrow Bowman
Diyral Briggs
by ericalancanty on Aug 22, 2010 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Briggs is an OLB
that’s what he’s played this entire pre-season
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One of them could shift over in a pinch and probably be better than Wilhelm...
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 22, 2010 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Not a bad idea actually
I also have thought that Lawson might work better as an ILB since he does a good job reading and reacting
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Lawson I think fits the ILB job better than he does the OLB
He’s good against the run and good in zone and man2man coverage… Just can’t rush the passer that well.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 22, 2010 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions
He weighs exactly the same as Willis
but is 3 or 4 inches taller which makes it tough for him to get leverage on opposing tackles
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Which is funny
Because that’s exactly who he has to try to get passed almost every time he pass rushes
N. Davis
It looks like there is a lot of potential, I think Davis looked good enough to pull in the #2 spot but not studying the play-book in the off season could explain a lot of what I saw in his performance tonight. It looked like he was in crisis mode a little more often than he should have been. His ability to run around on the field is a good skill but it needs to be used sparingly because better throws are made by knowing the play and seeing the field. not running for your life and chucking the ball down field.
Overall I feel that it would be worth the gable to put him in the #2 spot. Just because I think with some work he could be great.
He looked rushed when he didn't need to be. Also way overthrowing Ziggy on a pretty simple slant route isn't encouraging.
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by Hoopers Judge on Aug 22, 2010 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions
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by Hoopers Judge on Aug 22, 2010 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I was being sarcastic to the point that just because a QB misses one pass he should have landed doesn’t mean he sucks or there isn’t signs of encouragement.
Haven't you heard
Alex Smith missed VD last week, Nate Davis should be starting.
Thankfully that has been put to bed now.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 22, 2010 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions
when i read "Alex Smith missed VD"
my first thought: thank god his protection schemes held up
by richmindbear on Aug 22, 2010 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions
+1
maybe he missed VD because there was a trojan in coverage?
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Aug 22, 2010 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Speaking of Trojans in coverage
How about Mays laying the wood and knocking that dude 2 yards out of the field of play to prevent the completion. Without the force out rule Mays becomes A LOT better instantly with how far he can throw an opponents body through the air.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 22, 2010 10:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Mays looked good today too
but I think Phillip Adams earned himself a roster spot
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Agreed
I saw 35 at least 5 times I took note of
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 22, 2010 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions
i think he already had one.
When life gives you fruit, add a bunch of sugar to it.
by these3words on Aug 22, 2010 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions
think mays...
came from the same box of trojans as ronnie lott.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Aug 22, 2010 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
i enjoyed that, in your comment,...
you had a trojan laying the wood.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Aug 22, 2010 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions
in these kind of innuendo-laden comment threads...
i always think ::rimshot:: is appropriate.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Aug 22, 2010 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions
In all seriousness...
I think Mays with the force out rule gone becomes an instant red zone defender weapon. He can knock a dude 5 feet through the air… Any fade pass where the guy is gonna toe tap will no longer be viable by Mays
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 22, 2010 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Favre never would've happened
had Mays been on the team last year
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i references...
from daylife.com
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Aug 22, 2010 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions
That foot would have come down by the white line if Taylor got ahold of him
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 22, 2010 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions
anything to...
rehash how much mark roman truly sucks.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Aug 22, 2010 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions
that, to me,...
is an excellent point of strategic nuance.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Aug 22, 2010 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn't even realize the rule was gone
Until Mays blasted that guy and the ref came in waving incomplete… If it hadn’t occured to Manusky before this game it did the instant he saw the same thing I did.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 22, 2010 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Yup
I love that it’s gone. Kind of evens up for the pansy PI calls that WRs get
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what's interesting...
is that the 3 biggest rule changes this offseason are all designed to help the defense:
1) new OT rules means having a crappy 1st series on D doesn’t necessarily mean you lose
2) removal of force-out rule helps the D in the way we’re describing here
3) moving the umpire to the offensive backfield helps the D against the umpire-pick play that every offense uses.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Aug 22, 2010 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Plus moving the umpire
should result in less holding since they can spot it easier.
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I think so too
Made it too Effing easy.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 23, 2010 12:18 AM PDT up reply actions
this is true
i’d really like to see mays take reggie’s job midway through the season. nothing against him, but mays has so much natural talent that he could really be a transformative part of this defense.
i didn’t get to watch most of the game – what did adams do that was so awesome? is he looking more like a cover guy or a great tackler?
by richmindbear on Aug 22, 2010 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Cover guy
had some great man2man coverage. knocked a couple balls down
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that's good to hear
assuming he does make the roster, it’ll probably be to take the 5th CB role or some such, ie obvious passing downs. given the interior of our defense being its strength, having a guy who can be a plus in the pass defense is absolutely clutch for those situations…
by richmindbear on Aug 22, 2010 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions
He was just always around the ball
I noticed #35 several times before I ever got to recognize the name… Then I saw it again when he knocked down another pass. Played very well against the 2nd stringers.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 22, 2010 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
Insert Chuck Norris Isms … Taylor Mays once hit a guy on the hash marker and knocked him out of bounds, the far out of bounds.
No, that's not right
Mays once hit a guy on the hash marker so hard he knocked him out of the stadium
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or how about...
taylor mays once threw an opponent’s body so far through the air that it began orbiting the earth.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Aug 22, 2010 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Brett Favre can throw a football over 50 yards.
Taylor Mays can throw Brett Favre even farther.
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by these3words on Aug 22, 2010 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions
can he throw him into retirement?
"All during film, I'm calling him Bam-Bam, like from 'The Flintstones,' because he hits everything. He is the truth" - Chad Ochocinco on Patrick Willis
Brett was thinking that on his 3rd play from scrimmage
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 22, 2010 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions
ELIZABETH IM COMIN TO JOIN YA
"All during film, I'm calling him Bam-Bam, like from 'The Flintstones,' because he hits everything. He is the truth" - Chad Ochocinco on Patrick Willis
That play made me so happy. I was screaming “KILL HIM” as it was happening and I scared the crap out of my kid.
haha I think we all were screaming KILL HIM!!!
"All during film, I'm calling him Bam-Bam, like from 'The Flintstones,' because he hits everything. He is the truth" - Chad Ochocinco on Patrick Willis
People like you are pretty quick to slam Alex for something as simple as recievers dropping his passes...
But god forbid that someone brings up Nate’s negative points of his gameplay today.
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by Hoopers Judge on Aug 22, 2010 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions
This is what annoys me most about the NDIOF guys
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I agree
several of his throws and decisions where not good but the over all performance was pretty good. Once he settled down a little you could see him step up in the pocket and start to make better decisions. I personally liked his first down run, nobody open and the center with no one in it. he ran, saw the first down slid and avoided getting slammed. I just think he has the ability and just needs to be coached up to get the skills focused in and he could be a solid QB.
I think he has the ability to step up in games and win them, they may not look pretty as of right now but a win is a win.
i actually thought...
nate played worse as the game went on
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Aug 22, 2010 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Alex's next series after he led the TD drive consisted of all runs
They basically took Alex off the field after the first drive. He only actually had to do something on 3rd down after that. Then he made his only bad play of the game when he stepped up to avoid the rush and threw a little behind Ginn. He was pissed afterwards on the sideline too.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 22, 2010 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions
yes...you're right.
he led a TD drive via the pass, and then the rest of his brief stay in the game consisted of run play calls. i’m assuming you’re trying to say that what’s good for critcizing davis is good for criticizing smith. in general, i’d agree. in this specific case though, it’s apples and oranges.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Aug 22, 2010 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions
That throw was absolutely air-mailed.
He nearly threw it into the Bay. I mean, I love his arm strength, but really…
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Take away
The 60-yard bomb to Ginn and Davis’ stat line is 6 for 15 for 54 yards. Now, I’m not saying the 60-yard pass to Ginn wasn’t awesome or impressive, I’m just saying I don’t think Davis showed enough to be the back-up to Alex Smith at this point. There’s no rush on Davis, give him more time to develop and he should turn into a quality back-up or even starter one day. At this point though, I don’t think I’d be comfortable with Davis being the starter if Alex Smith gets injured.
However, I don’t think I have a lot of confidence in David Carr at this point either, so really, the next two preseason games are important for the team to decide if Davis is capable of becoming the back-up. Either way, it would suite the 49ers best if Alex Smith has a healthy, productive season and it won’t matter if Davis or Carr is the back-up.
No crow for me thanks, Brandon Jones cut.
by Andrew Davidson on Aug 22, 2010 8:47 PM PDT reply actions
ok but...
if you are going to take away that 60 yard bomb im going to include the drop passes…
none of the Nate Davis supporters took away Alex Smith’s dropped passes last week. And I’m not saying I’m taking away the 60 yard pass, I’m saying outside of the 60-yarder, his stat line wasn’t exactly stellar.
No crow for me thanks, Brandon Jones cut.
by Andrew Davidson on Aug 22, 2010 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions
that maybe so.. but if you have a statistical bad game, and then on the last play you are the hero, you are still the hero and the man! Which builds confidence and helps develop better skill.
I agree with what you’re saying, and again I’m not trying to take away Nate Davis’ 60-yard pass. It was a thing of beauty, the best pass we’ve seen in a long time. However, the team put up zero touchdowns with Nate Davis leading the offense. Davis also completed less than 50% of his passes. He showed quick feet and a rocket arm, but he also showed he has a ways to go.
The kid has talent, but he needs the next two preseason games before he wins the back up gig. Since the 49ers play San Diego in the regular season this year, I’d like to see Davis get the start against the Chargers with the first stringers even though traditionally the third preseason game is when we’d see the most out of the regular number one QB.
No crow for me thanks, Brandon Jones cut.
by Andrew Davidson on Aug 22, 2010 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions
you make excellent points… I just love the kid and think he actually has the ability within him to provide the Niners with an excellent QB in the future and would hate to seem go.
I don’t want him to go anywhere either, because he definitely has the physical tools to become a talented player one day. Just not sure when that day will be.
No crow for me thanks, Brandon Jones cut.
by Andrew Davidson on Aug 22, 2010 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions
When we have a coordinator for 8 or 9 consecutive years
and he has 3 years to learn the playbook
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 22, 2010 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Things get pretty sticky when stats start getting nit-picked and isolated.
I’ll agree that Nate hasn’t done enough to be the back-up, but Carr isn’t any great shakes. Just what you were saying…
Lets hope Alex stays healthy all season. And that one of the two guys could step up if needed.
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by Hoopers Judge on Aug 22, 2010 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions
and if you take away the other receptions he went a stunning 0 for 7 for ZERO yards!
by hellaninersfan on Aug 22, 2010 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Most Impressive
+ Alex carried the offense with backups no less.
+ Offensive line held their own against a very good defensive line. Unit is already looking vastly improved
+ Defense looked dominant, 1st and 2nd string
+ RJF continues to fit right in with 1st team defense
+ Briggs continued to bring pressure down after down
+ Laboy added a Ahmad Brooks type element to the pass rush
+ Khalif Mitchell is a keeper
+ Phillip Adams looks like another 7th round steal. Another nice player to put in the queue.
+ Bowman showed pass rush skills, Vikings really didn’t run while he was in the game so he didn’t get much of a showcase.
+ Dixon showed some growing pains. Showed his talent but like Jimmy Raye has been saying he doesn’t realize he’s a power runner at times.
+ Nate Davis showed he’s worth further investment. He uncorked some skills but overall the offense looked like the 2nd team offense with him the game, that’s a good thing. I wouldn’t make him #2 QB but earned his development role on the roster for year 3.
by bignerd on Aug 22, 2010 8:51 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
RJF continues to fit right in with 1st team defense
is it possible to trade a guy that your team has franchised if he hasn’t signed his franchise tender?
When life gives you fruit, add a bunch of sugar to it.
His Madden Rating
is gonna take a hit if he don’t sign… players care about that right?
Only MJD and Ochocinco
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Aug 22, 2010 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions
and Houshmandzadah.
No crow for me thanks, Brandon Jones cut.
by Andrew Davidson on Aug 22, 2010 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I hate that guy
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Aug 22, 2010 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Was Carr hurt?
Why didn’t he play, not that I really cared. Davis has proven himself capable of being the number 2 QB.
"Dodger fans aren’t happy when foul balls get into their section, because it interferes with their playing with the beachball"- Mike Krukow
The 49ers wanted to evaluate Nate Davis, he even got all the backup snaps in practice this week to get him prepared. I think next week it will mostly be Alex Smith & David Carr with maybe Davis getting a few late minutes.
I guess I need to start reading all the coaches quotes that Fooch posts………..
"Dodger fans aren’t happy when foul balls get into their section, because it interferes with their playing with the beachball"- Mike Krukow
I was just trying to answer your question. David Carr has done nothing to get passed on the chart, it was simply the 49ers wanting to know what they had with Nate Davis. He hadn’t had a good camp but he unloaded in the 1st preseason game which peaked their curiosity.
Don't get me wrong
I appreciate the answer. I’m just pointing out my hypocrisy of not reading the entire Fooch post when he quotes the coaches.
"Dodger fans aren’t happy when foul balls get into their section, because it interferes with their playing with the beachball"- Mike Krukow
Because nobody cares about David Carr
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Aug 22, 2010 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions
There goes our thunder
Matt Maiocco MaioccoCSN
One thing apparent after this game: Nate Davis is not competing for the backup job. Mike Singletary very disappointed in Davis.
Singletary questioned Nate Davis’ work ethic. Davis, admittedly, blew several protection calls in this game.
"Dodger fans aren’t happy when foul balls get into their section, because it interferes with their playing with the beachball"- Mike Krukow
Honestly, this isn’t that surprising.
No crow for me thanks, Brandon Jones cut.
by Andrew Davidson on Aug 22, 2010 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I hope Davis isn’t one of those QB’s who has all the talent in the world, but doesn’t always follow instructions.
"Dodger fans aren’t happy when foul balls get into their section, because it interferes with their playing with the beachball"- Mike Krukow
Those QBs can work but they need a coach willing to put up with them. Doesn’t sound like the 49ers have that kind of coach.
Those QB's can be a pain in the butt.
I don’t mind coaches not putting up with them.
"Dodger fans aren’t happy when foul balls get into their section, because it interferes with their playing with the beachball"- Mike Krukow
He has a learning disability
There is no question he has the physical tools but he is a project. The Niners knew that when they drafted him.
As far as coach Singletary and the 49ers – Singletary, that dude is legit. He’s legit on all levels. He’s doing what he feels is right.
---Former 49er running back Glen Coffee
But if you know you have a learning disability (& I think he does know)
you have to put in work in the off season. Extra work!! I would think.
"Moving Forward."
This is true
You have to work harder to make up for a disability, not work less
Logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority
Absolutely agree
As far as coach Singletary and the 49ers – Singletary, that dude is legit. He’s legit on all levels. He’s doing what he feels is right.
---Former 49er running back Glen Coffee
Which is what I said
He’s not just learning disabled he doesn’t wanna put in the time needed to learn the playbook.
VINDICATION
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 22, 2010 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions
He's one
Big Ben is also that type of QB. John Elway had the same reputation. Admittedly less of those QBs are around today.
He wants to stand on a Ford?
no, that’s Alex Boone.
When life gives you fruit, add a bunch of sugar to it.
Of course...
he isn’t competing for the backup job… he is secretly competing for the starting role. ;) I kid… but imo Sing is just PR talking to motivate Davis passive-aggressively through the media.
by danknerd49 on Aug 22, 2010 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think Sing would BS us
I think he’s dead serious when talking about Davis.
"Dodger fans aren’t happy when foul balls get into their section, because it interferes with their playing with the beachball"- Mike Krukow
UMMMMMM
Sorry you’re wrong. Sing doesn’t throw people under the bus. He’s legitimately pissed cause Davis blew several calls.
AGAIN
Out there trying to play playground football
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 22, 2010 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
Funny how this contrasts with the title of this thread…
by mr. instigator on Aug 22, 2010 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not surprised either
Davis doesn’t have game management skills, timing skills, and knowing what the heck is going on at all times skills. He’ll throw a nice pass here and there for a nice wow factor every now and then, but that’s not enough.
Well of course. That’s how it works right?
Alex throws a ball a little high and the receiver gets his hands on it and can’t catch it, “OH MY GOD ALEX OVERTHREW HIM IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE TO CATCH”.
Nate in the same situation: “WHY CAN’T THESE RECEIVERS CATCH?”
Alex scrambles and throws the ball away when no one is open: “COME ON ALEX GET THE BALL THERE”
Nate throws it away: “OH BOY WHAT POISE HE SHOWED AVOIDING THE SACK AND NOT RISKING AN INTERCEPTION”.
Dashon, Mays, and Bamm Bamm will get the record for most decapitations in one season
by MichaelClutchtree on Aug 22, 2010 9:21 PM PDT reply actions
What...
in the first one you defend Smith…in the second you defend Davis…was that on purpose?
by ericalancanty on Aug 22, 2010 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Yep, pretty much.
"Dodger fans aren’t happy when foul balls get into their section, because it interferes with their playing with the beachball"- Mike Krukow
no, it’s showing that when alex does something, all people do is bash him, but when the great almgihty nate davis does the same thing, people praise him
Dashon, Mays, and Bamm Bamm will get the record for most decapitations in one season
by MichaelClutchtree on Aug 22, 2010 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Number 1 pick
Bigger expectations.
"Dodger fans aren’t happy when foul balls get into their section, because it interferes with their playing with the beachball"- Mike Krukow
no see, when they do THE EXACT SAME THING
Dashon, Mays, and Bamm Bamm will get the record for most decapitations in one season
by MichaelClutchtree on Aug 22, 2010 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think people bash Smith as much as you think
We all want to see him do good, but he simply hasn’t been #1 pick quality thus far. When he gets out of the pocket and throws the ball away, I think most of us are relieved, not p/o’d. And though he did throw a pass behind Ginn, it still hit Ginn on the hands which a paid player should catch. Smith and Davis both have different expectations, just the way it is.
hahahahahahahahahaha LMAO! dude calm down hahahaha
Alex has been in this league since 2005 nate 2009
Alex is a 1st round pick vs Nate 5th round pick
Alex has been in this league since 2005 nate 2009
technically.
2005 season: wash. terrible season, terrible team
2006 season: very improved
2007: forced to play with injury, misses half the season
2008: out all season
2009: plays half the year
technically played 4 years
Dashon, Mays, and Bamm Bamm will get the record for most decapitations in one season
by MichaelClutchtree on Aug 22, 2010 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions
nope...
i said he has been in the league since 2005… read again
believe me, i can read
Dashon, Mays, and Bamm Bamm will get the record for most decapitations in one season
by MichaelClutchtree on Aug 22, 2010 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions
But a year and a half of that was spent rehabbing from a catastrophic injury
Not playing or learning
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 22, 2010 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Don’t forget the 4 or so games he actually tried to play when his shoulder wasn’t attached to his body
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favoritism and fanatical fans… who knew it could lead to irrationality. :)
by danknerd49 on Aug 22, 2010 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
From an article his rookie season
“It’s been very hard,” Davis says of his ability to overcome his significant reading and comprehension challenges, as well as fighting the stigma of being a learning-disabled quarterback. "But the NFL is also a business. I understand that.
As far as coach Singletary and the 49ers – Singletary, that dude is legit. He’s legit on all levels. He’s doing what he feels is right.
---Former 49er running back Glen Coffee
LaBoy, making statement about making the team....
Laboy on one side and Brooks on the other in passing situations = Nightmare for opposing Defenses.
and Patrick Willis on both sides,
as well as in the middle and at both safety positions. also right guard.
When life gives you fruit, add a bunch of sugar to it.
by these3words on Aug 22, 2010 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Davis naysayers...
I love when you say you didn’t see enough from him to be a #2 qb. Your talking in general and just going by what the “standard” is. Same people who thought a QB can’t scramble for over 100yrds (Vick) and the wildcat will never work (Miami runs it like bread and butter… but only Miami I guess) it’s fine that everyone has their own opinion on here, but NOT every single Niner fan post what they feel/know on here.
I was getting hit up by friends tonight, niner and non Niner fans saying who is this Nate Davis kid. I told them he’s our #3 but should be our #2. The man continues to show poise, awareness and Skill. You saw him step up and make throws. You saw him feel the pocket collapsing and scramble. You saw him throw it away or away from defenders. Yet he’s still not good enough normal turds like orton and JCampbell are starters for Pro NFL teams.
I’m all for smith, only cuz Our coach says he’s the starter. Me, a fan, has no say in that decision. But if 10 weeks in were 3-6, 4-5, or Smith goes down, Carr will not take us to the Super bowl. We aint hoin to the super bowl, seasons gone. Start Davis all the way through to 2011. Our core is intact and if smith don’t cut it, WHICH I THINK HE WILL, move on.
With that said , our team has a great chance for a deep playoff run, but they need continous effort for 60 minutes. And we won’t see that till the regular season. Good game, and happy we nut Sacked Farves dirty old ass
by LADubbz45 on Aug 22, 2010 9:27 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
because your friends that are niners and non-niners fans hit you up asking about Nate Davis, that makes Nate Davis the number 2? but because niners fans on this site disagree, they are talking in general, and just going by what the standard is. What’s the difference?
No crow for me thanks, Brandon Jones cut.
by Andrew Davidson on Aug 22, 2010 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions
let's hope so.
i’m getting a little tired of Indianapolis being good every year.
When life gives you fruit, add a bunch of sugar to it.
yeah, i'm definitely more sick of
the Patriots winning all the time, but the Colts are starting to get old too.
When life gives you fruit, add a bunch of sugar to it.
i agree wholeheartedly with this...
We aint hoin to the super bowl
couldn’t have said it better myself.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Aug 22, 2010 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Shouldn't it be "hoe'n?"
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by Hoopers Judge on Aug 22, 2010 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions
hmmm...
think it should be hoin’. here’s my logic:
a. the phrase is “to whore around”
b. the present participle of “to whore” is “whoring”
c. the phrase becomes “whoring around.”
d. in slang, ho = whore
e. in slang, -in’ = -ing
f. whoring becomes hoin’
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Aug 22, 2010 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Great logic
As far as coach Singletary and the 49ers – Singletary, that dude is legit. He’s legit on all levels. He’s doing what he feels is right.
---Former 49er running back Glen Coffee
i had to take this thread
into the realm of the ho philosopher.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Aug 22, 2010 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Nate threw a 60 yard bomb, that's about it.
I remember Nate trying to throw another bomb to a covered Jason Hill down the sideline when he could of converted the 3rd down by running maybe 6-7 yards down field, a field that was almost completely open. Also missing an open Zeigler on a slant pass.
Not saying Nate can’t become the #2, just that he could improve more on his game.
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by Hoopers Judge on Aug 22, 2010 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions
so let me get this straight...
your niner-fan, and non-niner-fan friends think davis should be the #2, but his own head coach says he’s nowhere near prepared enough to be the #2, and we’re supposed to side with your friends?
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Aug 22, 2010 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Everyone can have their opinions.
Though getting your info second hand from friends that aren’t Niner fans probably isn’t the way to go.
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by Hoopers Judge on Aug 22, 2010 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions
well, right...we all have our opinions...
doesn’t mean they’re right. i’m just making a point about something that seems to be an epidemic in sports fandom: thinking we know more than the coaches do. there are reasons for x, y, and z happening that we, as fans, have absolutely no idea about. it could be that nate called alex smith a fag in the lunch room, or whatever. or, how about, given this latest news, it’s because — surprise — nate doesn’t know the playbook. i just see this all the time from people. they think they know more than the people immediately in and around the team.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Aug 22, 2010 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Not disagreeing with you.
I thought the poster was a little silly too.
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by Hoopers Judge on Aug 22, 2010 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Wait a second
Didn’t you make a name for yourself blasting Mike Nolan. There are a few where the fans have the advantage.
it's flattering...
that you consider me to “have made a name for myself.” i assure you, i’m not yet made. still a soldier.
i figured someone would make this point in response…didn’t address it just because i’m trying not to write comments that are too long.
my response is that what i did to mike nolan was to expose his press conferences as bold-faced lies. he’d say things over and over that were completely contradicted by the evidence. if singletary does the same thing, i’ll be quick to jump on him too if i can prove he’s lying.
in general, there are things that are right or wrong in the NFL based on a majority of the evidence. nate davis languishing as #3 QB for seemingly “no reason” is not one of those “little grey area” kinds of things. also, the more accurate comparison is me wondering out loud for the past few years how the hell arnaz battle stayed on the 53-man roster as long as he did, despite being a total failure at most everything he did. in that case, i didn’t rip the coach. actually, my theory was that he had naked pictures of york & mcnolan. in other words, in the case of battle, i was actually assuming that there was some reason outside of what i knew.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Aug 22, 2010 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Mike Nolan is completely worthy of being blasted
He basically took the Broncos defense from worst to first and he was such an asshole they still fired him
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 22, 2010 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions
sometimes the fans are right and the team is wrong though.
Fans: “DeSean Jackson is the obvious pick here.”
Scot McCloughan: “Oh good, Kentwan Balmer is still available.”
When life gives you fruit, add a bunch of sugar to it.
only one team
passed on DeSean Jackson for Kentwan Balmer despite a desperate need for WRs.
When life gives you fruit, add a bunch of sugar to it.
by these3words on Aug 22, 2010 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions
and you can look at it this way:
we always seem to pass on Cal guys, even though they play right in our backyard. Had we taken DeSean in 2008, our returner problems and #1 WR problems would be gone. Then, we can take Michael Oher at #10 instead of Crabtree. Or even trade back and still get him.
Then this draft, we take maybe brandon graham and then iupati
Dashon, Mays, and Bamm Bamm will get the record for most decapitations in one season
by MichaelClutchtree on Aug 22, 2010 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Who wants him
He’d have retired by now with how long he holds the ball. Alex will be better.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 23, 2010 12:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Aaron Rogers is great
GB runs a lot of deep routes which accounts for him holding onto the ball longer.
Him holding onto the ball too long
also accounts for him holding onto the ball too long
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 23, 2010 1:31 AM PDT up reply actions
i realize this is a 49ers website
but i have trouble respecting the football knowledge of anyone who claims that Alex Smith not only could be, but will be better than Aaron Rodgers.
When life gives you fruit, add a bunch of sugar to it.
Crab is going to be better than DeSean. He will also last longer and have less injuries due to size.
Anyway, just because Cal is right next door doesn’t mean we should give them preferential treatment in the draft. I don’t want to be harsh, but I am so tired of hearing about how DeSean slipped past us. Shit happens. We don’t have the same FO anymore. I think we can start to move on.
of course that happens...
i’m just saying that when evaluating the “mccloughan’s an idiot for taking balmer over jackson” situation, fans generally fail to consider the possibility that there were reasons for making that pick that are entirely outside what fans could possibly know about what went into the decision-making for that pick. i’m not saying coaches are always right. what i’m saying is that, in criticizing coaches, fans should always keep in mind that they’re criticizing with incomplete information.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Aug 22, 2010 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions
now that
actually makes sense as a plausible explanation.
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You always have to be one step ahead of your drunk friends
--Daisy Owl
Apparently, he'd prefer a big stiff to a little man that could play...
I also notice that now that he’s at Seattle, he appears to bringing in people he got for the 49ers that didn’t work out, like Balmer and Jones. Perhaps he can’t admit or let go of his mistakes? I think I’m glad he was canned.
You saw him blow several play calls
and play playground football. Which will get a team SLAUGHTERED during the regular season when teams are actually playing to win.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 22, 2010 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Michael Vick did that...
A few years before, Randall Cunningham did that. It worked for a while, although it was probably sub-optimal. I don’t think that Davis has quite their kind of wheels, though. Hell, most WRs don’t.
I passed out during the 1st quarter...
LOL. But from little I do remember…..
Smith’s mechanics this game has shown a lot of improvement. That’s a good sign.
Well, we're waiting....
(for David Carr to start by week 7)
Have to give the O-Line credit
I agree with you about Smith’s improved mechanics, but his O-Line looked great and gave him plenty of time to throw.
"Dodger fans aren’t happy when foul balls get into their section, because it interferes with their playing with the beachball"- Mike Krukow
O-line did good
Smith made the right adjustments and protection calls too. Audiblized to pick up the blitz off the right-hand side when hitting Walker down the field for the 3rd down conversion
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 22, 2010 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions
This, to me, is the difference between 2010 Smith and pre-2009 Smith. He looks like he can make plays because he knows how to, not because he scrambles right into a play.
Which is what I've been waiting for
When he knows the playbook he’s a surgical technician.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 22, 2010 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Exactly. In a way, I wish I could be a safety against him. I want to see how he surveys the field. Over the tele, it looks like his is picking the defenses weakness really well. This is all from under center too. His vision of the field has exponentially expanded.
You could see the difference in this game
On some of the replays when they slowed it down, you could actually see him scanning the field. Looked at his first receiver, didn’t like it and threw to his second or third option. I was really impressed by his play tonight. He didn’t hold onto the ball to long and he moved away from pressure without taking his eyes away from downfield like a true pro.
yes
exactly the one i’m talking about.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 23, 2010 12:53 AM PDT up reply actions
how mcuh beer
can a guy drink in 20 hours
by On the fifty on Aug 22, 2010 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions
He was OK. A 60 yard bomb and some average play with a few mistakes was all he wrote though.
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by Hoopers Judge on Aug 22, 2010 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions
notice whose man created the pressure on that 60 yard bomb?
Our shiny new toy, Iupati…dunno if it was a missed assignment or what, but didnt look good…
Rookies will do that. They need playing time, which they'll get.
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by Hoopers Judge on Aug 22, 2010 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions
They have had a ton so far
Which worries me a little. It’s gunna be a loong season for those two. I fear they are going to hit a wall mid-season and have a tough time bouncing back. We have players sitting out for broken nails, yet our biggest bangers are already playing full games.
Just watched the play again....
- for the Vikes fired off QUICK…..he was lucky just to give davis the time to scramble or not get called on a hold…
hahahaha this is fun
if you haters are worried wonder how Alex Smith and David carr must be feeling… Im out take care guys great game.
Nate Davis shines....BULLSH$T
less than 50% of his passes were completed. Gave up on third and 6 when he could have gotten a first….I like him less now than I did yesterday.
by aj_is_good on Aug 22, 2010 9:38 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm getting 7/16. From NFL.com
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by Hoopers Judge on Aug 22, 2010 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions
7/16 from the Yahoo boxscore for 43%
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/boxscore?gid=20100822025
"Dodger fans aren’t happy when foul balls get into their section, because it interferes with their playing with the beachball"- Mike Krukow
funny how Nate Davis got worse and worse...
…as this thread got longer and longer.
When life gives you fruit, add a bunch of sugar to it.
No kidding
"Dodger fans aren’t happy when foul balls get into their section, because it interferes with their playing with the beachball"- Mike Krukow
The novelty wore off.
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by Hoopers Judge on Aug 22, 2010 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Just got back from the game
Went to look at the highlights, and I get a “Ok, let’s take a close look at F——— ankle, it seems to be okay as he plants his feet, rotates his feet to make the throw.”
/barf
Gimme a friggen break.
The San Fransisco 49ers, where got Dix, VD and Crabs!
yeah
ESPN couldn’t be bothered to show either of the touchdowns or Nate Davis’ long throw. Brett’s ankle lightly twisting on the ground as he throws is more newsworthy.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Aug 22, 2010 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Nate Davis's right arm looked giid
Not sure about the rest of him.
Note the lack of a hyphen.
Adopted father of Evan Crawford, leadoff hitter of your 2014 San Francisco Giants.
The money quote from Sing
The problem, Singletary said, is that Davis did not invest enough time in the offseason to learn offensive coordinator Jimmy Raye’s system.
“I’m not sure how hard he worked in the offseason to get that down,” Singletary said. “So when I talk about work ethic, you can’t just turn it on and turn it off. . . . The offseason, when we’re in OTAs and minicamp, that’s when you have to get it done.”
My theory about some people’s love (including mine) of Nate Davis, we’ve been seduced by his arm strength.
"Dodger fans aren’t happy when foul balls get into their section, because it interferes with their playing with the beachball"- Mike Krukow
the NFL library...
is filled with those stories of seduction.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Aug 22, 2010 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions
It also doesn’t help when Cris Collingsworth compares Davis to John Elway. Nate Davis has a rocket arm, that’s a fact, but he needs more than that.
No crow for me thanks, Brandon Jones cut.
by Andrew Davidson on Aug 22, 2010 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Well it helps make up for the Favre slobbering that Al Michaels was doing
which Collinsworth really seemed to want no part of
Logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority
Which is about the only thing I’ll give Collingsworth credit for, not giving into the #4 [site decorum] fest.
No crow for me thanks, Brandon Jones cut.
by Andrew Davidson on Aug 22, 2010 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions
i like that
Collingsworth has no rings. thanks to the niners
by On the fifty on Aug 22, 2010 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't mind Collingsworth so much
though the Sunday Night Football crew is bland which I guess is the point. I’d rather have the MNF crew
Logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority
I like local crews. They seem much more invested in the team. I do suppose this is a no-brainer though.
Yeah
the 49ers crew is an excellent broadcasting crew
Logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority
i hope you [site decorum]’d Favre
that word should be site decorumable now
Dashon, Mays, and Bamm Bamm will get the record for most decapitations in one season
by MichaelClutchtree on Aug 22, 2010 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Are you serious??
Ugh, I can’t stand Collingsworth, he is the worst imo. He says some of the most annoying things. And though he wasn’t as bad as Michaels, he still talked about [name I wont say] enough to make me puke.
Shift+A
I just got here after watching the game at the local pizza joint with my family who made the trip up to watch it.
I thought Smith looked really good. With VD, Crabs, and Gore in, he will look great.
Dixon needs to hit the holes harder (TWSS!), and keep the dancing for when he breaks into the secondary.
I thought Nate played well, but not good enough to steal the 2nd spot yet, and not the starter spot for sure. He has a cannon, and that play to Ginn made me nearly shit myself out of excitement, but that’s one play. There are others where he over-threw receivers. He also needs to get more consistent on putting drives together (not entirely his fault, I know). I would like to see him play this well against more 2nd stringers before giving him the seal of approval.
Defense looked sharp. I loved the Willis-Spikes sack. Punched out so many people after watching that!
What is the group think on this game?
First offensive drive was incredibly impressive
rookies are looking better in pass protection. A. Davis is still too jumpy—another false start call this game
Logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority
I initially thought that the defender jumped too. I wanted to see a replay, but they probably jumped away to show Favre’s face or something. People were literally groaning at the pizza place I was eating at when NBC swooned over Favre well into the 4th quarter.
I still don't understand that rule
It was the same thing with his false start last week as well. The defender fired off at him first and when he came out of his stance they called it on Davis. Seems like the rule is a judgment call for the refs
It might have been a slight twitch or something that we can’t quite see on camera but to the refs is plain as day. Who knows? I’m not too worried about it though. This was basically Davis’ only mistake tonight. This is the guy who was supposed to make tons of mistakes. When you only have to worry about a false start here and there in a man’s 2nd preseason game, things are going well.
I tend to agree
And even though the NFL rule states that a defensive linemen is offsides if he draws the o-linemen off, an o-linemen still should not jump, he knows the snap count.
I was a little pissed to see that,
but it will happen. It will also get better. I thought Davis looked great in pass pro. compared to last game. Like, almost a completely different person. This was against one of the most aggressive D-Lines too. Here’s to hoping there is plenty more improvement where this came from.
Yeah he did look like a different person
He tweeted after the game “That was fun”.
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That's awesome!
I remember I played my best in High School (great comparison to the NFL, I know) when I was having fun. He did look like it was more fun and natural, though. I was amazed at how much better his footwork is.
More than that it shows his increasing confidence
it’s hard to have fun when you’re constantly stressed
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I think that's right.
The stress was gone in his movements too. Stress = rigid, for the most part. He looked really fluid, or as fluid as a man that big can be. I think that has to come from a lack of stress.
I think
this might finally be saying something about our coaches. Also to the player because he still has to apply it.
Sanity returns!
That 1st drive was something else. Can’t wait to see Alex with Gore, VD, and Crabs playing at the same time.
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by Hoopers Judge on Aug 22, 2010 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I am glad to hear that I am being ushered in as “sanity.” You know how to make a man feel good, sir.
That first drive had me so pumped up. I was high-fiving strangers galore. My dad and I would hoist our pizza pieces into the air and scream, “SMMMMMMMMIIIIIIIIIITTTTTTTTTTTTTTHHHHHHHHHHH!” It was epic. I hope this happens all regular season.
1st drive...
…had it all. Great plan, great execution, great protection, great decision making/delivery by Alex…and all without gore, crabtree, or vernon…
That was one of the most perfect football drives I can remember seeing in a long time, and I’ll admit, it probably raised my expectations a bit unrealistically…
Overall though It feels so good, been so long since I felt this way about the team going into the season. If we can get drives like that on a sem-consistent basis (look, i know it wont be that perfect ALL the time), this could be more than just a division winner, this could be a great team. Could. I’m trying not to drink too much kool aid but its long overdue.
by ManBearPig21 on Aug 23, 2010 12:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Don't worry
After that drive, I drank so much Kool-Aid, I’m still trying to brush the red off of them.
I was thinking that about Dixon too
but on alternate camera angles, more often than not he had defenders waiting in the holes. Still, I would like to see him strike the los much quicker.
No doubt that there were defenders at times. I mean, this is one of the nastiest front sevens in football. He still needs to trust the hole, though. Even in High School, coaches would always yell at the running backs to trust the hole. It’s better to hit it hard for a two yard gain than dance to a one yard loss. Not every play can bounce outside, and sometimes, the holes will just open up for a big gain.
coach vs us
Coach sing was not happy with performance. So he got some ways to go but he still got game
Santa Clara, You are the Father!
by chriscream on Aug 22, 2010 9:52 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
You know what else?
I’m getting a little tired of hearing about him being dsylexic. Every article I read on Nate talks about that.
The man can play football…he has some things to improve on like any young QB and doesnt need any excuses.
That was the reason given for him not knowing the playbook
apparently him not knowing the playbook had more to do with him not studying than any learning disability
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Why don;t we just make everyone happy: Play Alex smith all the time, and only put Nate Davis in on 3rd and longs! It can’t lose!
Also, people saying they want to see Alex, Crabs, Gore, and VD together.. don’t forget Brian Westbrook.
Dashon, Mays, and Bamm Bamm will get the record for most decapitations in one season
by MichaelClutchtree on Aug 22, 2010 10:29 PM PDT reply actions
I used to...
hate all the Nate Davis fans shoving their opinions about him starting down my throat, but after today I think he deserves a shot to at least compete for the #2 spot with Carr
I miss Joe Montana/Steve Young/Jeff Garcia
by Mr HowsYourWife on Aug 22, 2010 10:30 PM PDT reply actions
DOMINIQUE ZEIGLER!!
Just got back from the game, guys. I was near the press box. I considered yelling there “SAM LAAAMMMM” but because I hope to be there someday soon, I avoided making an [site decorum] of myself.
Felt so good to be back at the ’Stick. So fun. Such good food.
And then God created Saturn... and he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
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So glad to see Ziggy out on coverage teams, too.
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by James Brady on Aug 22, 2010 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Someone needs to do a photoshop job with David Bowie and Zeigler
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Next time do it
sam would probably appreciate the love.
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I'm beat. The drive there and back sucks.
Can’t wait until I move to San Jose!
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Gotta use BART more
Anthony The BART Dixon that is.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 22, 2010 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think the BART extends for what is a two hour drive.
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by James Brady on Aug 22, 2010 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Anthony Dixon will arrive at your house 3 hours early and carry you to the game
Like Enterprise rent-a-car – He’ll pick you up.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 22, 2010 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Enterprise.
Dixon’s new nickname?
When life gives you fruit, add a bunch of sugar to it.
by these3words on Aug 22, 2010 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Can he carry my father and my brother?
And a fourth person to be named before each game? Also, the table, the new, big grill, the two ice chests and the other variety of things?
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by James Brady on Aug 22, 2010 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions
He carried a hell of a load at Miss St.
You should ask him on Twitter if he can carry all that.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 22, 2010 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions
the load?
really? are you using sexually charged words/phrases in every comment on purpose? :-)
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Aug 22, 2010 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Lol
That one was on accident.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 22, 2010 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions
“That one was an accident.. it happens to every guy!”
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by James Brady on Aug 22, 2010 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Just emailed you a little bit about the podcast.
Just sayin’.
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by James Brady on Aug 22, 2010 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions
This has never happened to me before
:/
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 22, 2010 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions
"Oh so its my fault then!"
Wait… What? Sh*T!
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 22, 2010 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions
you're going to...
love this thread. post subtitled “nate davis shines,” obviously pandering to the davis-lovers, quickly devolves into “nate davis is sucked in today’s game” in the comments section.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Aug 22, 2010 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions
think i've had...
one too many shots thanks to the niner-helmet-detachment and favre-mentions drinking games.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Aug 22, 2010 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I think it devolved into everybody that has known he's a talent that's not NFL ready right now
Telling all the NDIOPP&F guys to shut up and come back to reality.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 22, 2010 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions
The more stats you push into your head, the more grammar and reply ability you have to push out.
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by James Brady on Aug 22, 2010 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions
this is probably correct...
oh, and the fact that i still have ringing in my ears from the interpol show last night.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Aug 22, 2010 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Old school.
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by James Brady on Aug 22, 2010 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions
they were actually...
far better live than friend-offered reviews of previous live shows they’ve done. no technical snafus & didn’t simply replay the songs in the exact same arrangements as they appear on the albums.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Aug 22, 2010 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I've been twice, and I enjoyed myself immensely, though I'm not a huge fan.
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by James Brady on Aug 22, 2010 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions
i'm only a huge fan...
of their 1st 2 albums. the 3rd and 4th were ugly. they played a bunch of new songs from their upcoming album that actually seemed pretty descent to me. we’ll see what the future holds. i just give bands like them and the strokes props for being on the leading edge of that entire genre of “indie goes mainstream.”
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Aug 22, 2010 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions
They fell off really fast.
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by James Brady on Aug 22, 2010 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I'll have to check it out a bit later.
No rest for the wicked, I have some posts to put together. :]
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by James Brady on Aug 22, 2010 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought Nate Davis played pretty well today.
Good instincts. What am I supposed to take from it? He played against backups, again – but he’s a QB, who in the NFL has showed on a consistent basis that he has an NFL-caliber arm, good decision-making and solid leadership. It’s hard not to be pleased with him, though I’m not on his bandwagon or anything like that.
This is coming without reading everything else in the thread.
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Sing ripped him after the game for what I rip him for
Not working hard and learning the playbook.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 22, 2010 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I can see that.
I won’t ever say he’s without faults. I don’t think he should start. But I’m pleased with the guy so far, out of the 5th round, I wouldn’t mind him being a backup right now.
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by James Brady on Aug 22, 2010 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I think he needs to prove it in the next 2 games.
If he really wants it. And I’m with Florida Danny. If its a short term replacement I definitely want Carr out there playing game manager till Alex gets back.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 22, 2010 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm conflicted on that front.
If we’re up big, I want Davis. If we’re not and Smith is hurt, maybe Carr. I need to see more of Carr. He hasn’t looked very good so far.
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by James Brady on Aug 22, 2010 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions
that was what i meant when i got ripped above, but i didnt add it
people say he only plays against second-third stringers, but he looks good enough. the only time when he gets to face 1st string defenses is if we’re up by a lot or down by a lot. and they way we play, that almost never happens in a game.
he should compete for the #2 and get any reps when we can in game
Dashon, Mays, and Bamm Bamm will get the record for most decapitations in one season
by MichaelClutchtree on Aug 22, 2010 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions
you're also with me...
on alex smith missing VD because of trojans in coverage.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Aug 22, 2010 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I FEEL SO EFFING VINDICATED.
Alex was at camp before the rookies and practiced all summer long. That’s the guy that had the starter tag going into the season who has been ripped mercilessly by fans he should probably care less about… Yet he’s out there busting his ass while our project QB should have been spending his late nights going over flash cards with his wife to learn the plays… But was not.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 22, 2010 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions
this...
good decision-making
you may not continue to believe after reading the thread.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Aug 22, 2010 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Looked good to me.
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by James Brady on Aug 22, 2010 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions
you must have missed...
the 3rd down play where he had an easy first down to run for and instead chucked a duck up to jason hill 40 yards downfield to force 4th…or the other 3rd down play where he intentionally dove a yard short of the 1st down.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Aug 22, 2010 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Well if it was near the end of the fourth, I missed it.
If not, then I didn’t. I didn’t say he was flawless. I hate how, and no offense or anything, but you always find issue with one or two words in somebody’s post and then do your best to make that a focal point of your argument. I’m obviously not here to argue the merits of this guy you’ve been (as I understand it) hotly contesting for the duration of this post-game thread. I thought he looked decent and I’m happy with where he’s at as of now. To think a fifth round, learning-impaired third string quarterback can’t make those two mistakes you referenced without being blasted is a little.. odd to me.
To reiterate, I’m not on the Nate Davis bandwagon. I have never been, and I probably never will.
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by James Brady on Aug 22, 2010 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions
hey james...
i’m just giving you the cliff notes version of the thread so you don’t have to read the whole thing. my counterpoints to you were just reiterating what i’ve said already, albeit more briefly. also, you know me. i’m the guy that rains on everyone’s parade. when davis has one nice pass, and all the NDIOF people get themselves in a lather, i’m the guy that’s going to come in and remind them that 1 play does not a body of evidence make.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Aug 22, 2010 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions
There doesn't need to be any counter points.
Why must there always be counter points? I didn’t even say anything that really needs arguing. He’s a third string quarterback in his second year.
What I’d like is for people to not automatically associate one person with another – I have never been NDIOF and I never will be. I was happy with his performance, you pointing out mistakes won’t change that. He played a decent game of football.
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by James Brady on Aug 22, 2010 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions
there must be counterpoints because...
this is a discussion, not a monologue. if i’m supposed to just be like, “james, you’re right,” on every point you make, that’s news to me. maybe i can make that a guideline for my posts? “guys, this post requires only my point of view. no comments providing a counterpoint to my view are allowed. thanks, danny.”
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Aug 22, 2010 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't want you to say I'm right.
I also don’t want you to lot me in with NDIOF guys. You seem to have that about you, because I liked his performance. It’s like, if I state an opinion, you feel like you can convince me to not have that opinion any more. State yours, for sure, but Mr. Stat-man, do not present them as fact.
I am NOT a fan of Nate Davis.
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by James Brady on Aug 22, 2010 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions
i'll say that...
if you’re saying i have the fault of having strongly held convictions about the things that i advocate, i’m guilty as charged. if i disagree with someone — again, not you specifically — who thinks NDIOF, yes, i will try to convince them to not have that opinion anymore because i think it is the wrong opinion.
in another context, if someone 3 years ago came on here and said mike nolan is a great head coach, you better believe i’d be trying to convince them otherwise. hell, that’s all i do on here is try to convince people to agree with me. you and fooch are the more journalism-ish people on here, and i’m the stat-based opinion guy. i don’t think there’s anything that should be surprising — or that i take offense to — in calling me “opinionated.”
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Aug 22, 2010 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Nope. That's not what I'm saying.
So, this is all a misunderstanding, sir.
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by James Brady on Aug 22, 2010 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions
apparently...
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Aug 22, 2010 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions
for some reason...
“let’s call it a truce” didn’t just show up in this reply even though i typed it. some unseen moderator is trying to foment discontent on here.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Aug 22, 2010 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions
It's me.
I’m trying to break us apart because I like arguing with you.
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by James Brady on Aug 22, 2010 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions
and, i'm by no means, a nate-hater...
i said if alex smith goes down early in the season, then prep davis to be the starter a few weeks later. it’s not that i don’t think the kid is any good. i just think it’s ridiculous to focus on a guy performing slightly above average against backups, and then wanting to ascend him into the depth chart ether. of course, i just realized i’m talking to the poster child for “select mildly-impressive 3rd-stringer and ride him up the depth chart.” you have a soft spot for the little guys in general, whether or not you have a soft spot for davis in particular — which you don’t seem to have.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Aug 22, 2010 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Who focused on that? I didn't.
I didn’t “focus” on him performing slightly above average against backups. The heck, man?
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by James Brady on Aug 22, 2010 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions
let me rephrase what i said earlier...
because i think you’re misunderstanding my original reply. i was just recapping the thread in a concise version since you said you weren’t going to be able to get around to reading it. i wasn’t trying to argue with you about your specific points. i should have made that a little clearer. i’m not lumping you in with the NDIOF people. i was just telling you what my points had been contra the NDIOF people.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Aug 22, 2010 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions
As a team...
I honestly cannot find any low spots other than Davis screwed up his protections. The O-Line played very well considering who they were up against. Our backups on the O-line did as well. Dixon ran as good as most NFL starters can hope to run against Minn and Alex came out and showed off what some of us know he has.
Defense was solid throughout and our young guys showed flashes.
I’m like a 9 out of 10 on our performance. My buddy, a Raiders fan, was watching the game with me and he was very impressed. He didn’t believe my 12-4 prediction previously… But he wouldn’t deny it could happen post game
Gimme 1 round!
I'm not sure the o-line played very well.
They didn’t play to a point where things were catastrophic, but we need better protection than that against playoff-caliber defenses.
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by James Brady on Aug 22, 2010 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Think how good the Vikings Dline is
Jared Allen, the steriod infused Williams Wall and then insert LDE here
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 22, 2010 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I completely understand and was taking that into account...
…when I said “playoff-caliber defenses.” I won’t bag on the line too much, but we need more.
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by James Brady on Aug 22, 2010 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Well considering how low my expectations are for Rachel Davis right side
This was GREAT SUCCESS as my cousin Borat a say
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 22, 2010 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions
The protection didn't start breaking down
’til after we put in the second and third string guys.
I thought they did pretty good, especially Anthony Davis
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There was pressure from the left on a few plays in a row.
With the first stringers. Again, nothing catastrophic, but there was definitely some justified right-side roll-outs for Smith, for once.
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by James Brady on Aug 22, 2010 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Jared Allen
I can live with that.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 22, 2010 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I tried to observe Anthony Davis as much as I could
He’s improving, but still learning. I still expect pass protection to break down several times in the first 5 games. But I like the development of the rookies and the depth on the OL.
by Mood_Indigo on Aug 22, 2010 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Need to Start Davis Now!!!
Of course I am kidding and we MUST get over all the hysteria about him right now. Listen the guy is talented as evidenced by the strike he threw to Ginn. However it must be said that some here believe Davis can’t do anything bad and thing Smith can’t do any good, and that is an absolute joke? Didn’t Smith lead a real nice opening drive against Minnesota’s first string defense with VD, Crabs and Gore? That was darn impressive
Davis will be the back up QB if the coaching staff believes he gives them the best chance to win after Smith. At this point I think Carr is a little ahead, but Davis is closing in quick. Experience shouldn’t play a role in the decision, it should be whoever gives them the best chance to win!!!!
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Aug 22, 2010 11:23 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
NEW THREAD OPEN
I got the post-game quotations via email and have posted them with a few quick comments on Nate Davis.
http://www.ninersnation.com/2010/8/22/1637114/49ers-15-colts-10-post-game
Not a very accurate headline if you ask me...
And clearly you and Singletary watched completely different games…
Yeah he threw a bomb, tons of guys could sling one deep, but that doesn’t mean they are ready to play QB in the NFL…
Honestly I don’t get the praise. Take away the 60 yard pass and he only went 6-15 for 54 yards.
We still have never seen him against top players, and his big plays, while fun to watch, are generally the result of raw tools/improvisation as opposed to execution.
I do think Singletary was somewhat harsh about Nate given his lack of experience to this point, but people need to take a step back and think realistically. Davis has the skills to play someday, but he is going to need a couple of years yet to get the knowledge/experience to utilize those skills properly and effectively enough to win football games. And that has nothing to do with his “learning disability.”
I don’t mean any of this as a knock on Davis himself. He just simply isn’t ready.
I hope the team can be patient with Nate, as I don’t see work ethic being a long term issue, but he needs time to develop. Right now, he is not the answer to winning football games.
Patience my friends. Try to be realistic/objective.
#3
I’ve watched Davis all through OTAs, mini-camp and training camp… he is way too raw to be a #2. Sing is right, albeit harsh, on his assessment of him.
I don’t know why people think that Davis is worth a #2 spot. He’s way too inexperienced to be able to be put in that position.
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well,
at least NFL.com thinks Nate Davis shined. They gave him his own highlight reel, and it’s longer than the main highlight reel they put up for the game itself.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d819f2d7d/Nate-Davis-highlights
When life gives you fruit, add a bunch of sugar to it.
The Davis Dilemma
What everyone sees in him is potential. He’s got the arms, feet and raw ability to be great.
Here’s Davis’ Problem: He’s a 2nd year guy with about 30 minutes of pre-season playing time. No experience. He’s not going to regular season experience this year unless:
- Injury to A. Smith. No one wants this.
- SF goes 13-0 and has throwaway games.
- SF is out of playoff contention. Not likely at all.
Davis will just have to work hard this year, and hopefully, next year will be his year.
9ers fans have made Nate Davis an overrated QB
The guy has an arm. Woopty-Doo!!! We aren’t the Raiders here people. That bomb was great but besides that he looked like an amature QB trying to learn the system on the fly. He has potential yes. But he will never start for the 9ers. I feel we have a great future backup in our hands here. Nothing more.
"Bar None!" - William Floyd
Taking it one stop too far.
Assuming that a QB will amount to a career backup, is the same stretch that many of us make when we say Davis should start. Nate is very talented, but like most QBs, he’s just going to have to wait for opportunity, and then we’ll see. Oh, and guys with an arm, contrary to public belief are simply not a dime a dozen.
He didn’t look that out of place out there – he just looked like he needed to get a few games under his belt.
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