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49ers Offensive Line: David Baas, Eric Heitmann and the center position

Given our post this morning about the battle between Alex Boone and Barry Sims, I thought we might as well make this a morning focused on the offensive line. The center is basically the quarterback of the offensive line and the 49ers have plenty of issues that have arisen over the past couple weeks with the center position.

After Eric Heitmann broke his leg early in training camp, the battle was supposed to be on between David Baas, Tony Wragge and Cody Wallace for the starting center position. Although Heitmann is expected back fairly early in the regular season, the team was going to need to figure out a way to make do with a new center. Thus far, things actually seem to be moving along quite well.

Thus far, David Baas has really been quite solid at the center position. I have yet to see a problem snap after hearing about some problems in practice. More importantly he has shown some skill in taking on the interior linemen he's faced thus far. After yesterday's game, both Barrows and Maiocco had positive comments about Baas' play.

Now, say Baas excels at the center position and the offensive line finds itself in a nice little groove when Eric Heitmann's broken leg is healed. While Heitmann is very talented, a lot of the work of an offensive line comes from the chemistry the five members develop. With rookies at the left guard and right tackle positions, that chemistry is especially important. Does the team risk messing that up? Or am I getting ahead of myself considering we're only halfway through the preseason? I suppose it wouldn't be the worst problem to have, but it's certainly something to consider.

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Heitmann could possibly work at RG

and push Chilo. I think Heitmann is a great Center and very smart, he has to know the protections pretty darn well after starting several seasons at the position for us. But if Alex is really comfortable with Baas and they dont’ want to mess with that…I say let EH bring some experience to the RG position and at least light a fire under Chilo’s rear.

Alex Boone WON'T survive on the PS...in fact, he wont even clear waivers.
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by Tre9er on Aug 24, 2010 10:07 AM PDT reply actions  

Interesting thought

I was wondering this myself. Perhaps Baas is a really good center and Heitmann could turn out to be a really good guard.

by mr. instigator on Aug 24, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't see much of a blip if they go back to EH

While he may not be out there actually working, I’m sure he’s working with the guys and helping them along. I think I’d rather have EH step back in as the center and let Baas move to RG if Chilo isn’t cutting it.

Let’s not forget that EH will still be under contract after this year and Baas won’t be. And there’s no guarantee that Baas can be re-signed based on all the others looking for contracts and raises this coming off-season.

by 9thevolution on Aug 24, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

This

You’d be better off moving Bass as he’s already in the flow of playing football. You wouldn’t want Heitmann to come into a new position completely cold. At least let Heitmann go back to what he’s used to. As it is I see no need to rush him back. I think week 5 Eagles at Candlestick is a good target date. Gets him a couple weeks to practice and get back in sync with Alex, it gives you 4 pre-season and 4 RS games to evaluate Chilo and see if he’s progressing and you can start having Bass practice at RG if Chilo is sucking.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 25, 2010 2:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hmmm that's a good question

And I’m finding myself gong “Well…then again..well….maybe…” Not sure I ahve an answer because it will have to be based on what we see at that point. Heitmann pushing Chilo out of position just adds more complexity to the issue in reality doesn’t it?

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Aug 24, 2010 10:35 AM PDT reply actions  

I think history

will tell us here. Last year, when Staley got hurt, Sims played solid in his stead. And yet, when all the healing was said and done, Staley went right back into the fold. I have got to believe that this is a similar situation. Unless Baas proves beyond a doubt that he is the better player, I think he gets pulled.

by WesHanson on Aug 24, 2010 10:45 AM PDT reply actions  

that's fine

then let Baas push Chilo. Chilo gonna make me knock him out…

Alex Boone WON'T survive on the PS...in fact, he wont even clear waivers.
Let's talk on Twitter

by Tre9er on Aug 24, 2010 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Ha!

Rec’d for reminding me of an epic moment.

by WesHanson on Aug 24, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

No offense..

I’m putting my money on Chilo in that fight.

I know what I'm talking about, I started at right guard for the 1992 College Park Falcons.

by Johnnysixnut on Aug 24, 2010 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

against me?

psh, you aint even know

Alex Boone WON'T survive on the PS...in fact, he wont even clear waivers.
Let's talk on Twitter

by Tre9er on Aug 24, 2010 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Baas

Yea, I was figuring that even if Baas gets pulled, if he performed well the first couple weeks of the regular season, it would give him more confidence and would show we’ve got some serious depth across the board.

by David Fucillo on Aug 24, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes and...

Baas filling in admirably at Center helps ease things as far as findng someone to eventually be his “heir”. Which Wallace for sure isn’t.

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Aug 24, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Baas' contract expires after 2010

He’s a guy who could easily garner some interest after this season from teams in need of OL depth or guys to challenge for a starting gig. I wouldn’t count on Baas being the answer of the future at center and would likely bet on the team using an early draft pick when the time comes to replace Heitmann.

by 9thevolution on Aug 24, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

You don’t think he will stay on as a Niner?

by WesHanson on Aug 24, 2010 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think he'll test free agency....

if there’s even a 2011 season. He won’t be a priority to re-sign because of the other extensions we have to deal with, primarily Davis and Smith (if he has a good season). On top of that we have Goldson, Lawson and a few others who the team likely wants to extend. I doubt Baas jumps at the chance to re-sign for less money unless he’s guaranteed a starting job.

by 9thevolution on Aug 24, 2010 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah.

That makes sense. I bet he tries FA, but I don’t really see him leaving for anything else besides a starting job. The situation here seems to so good for him.

by WesHanson on Aug 24, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Bass at RG?

Fooch: Has Bass ever played RG?

by Since79 on Aug 24, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

I know it's not completely this simple, but basically:

if you can play LG and Center, you sure’s heck better be able to play RG…

Alex Boone WON'T survive on the PS...in fact, he wont even clear waivers.
Let's talk on Twitter

by Tre9er on Aug 24, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, to sort of extrapolate off of this.

Guard is the easiest position to play on the line; and generally the right side is easier than left. No problems moving. Look at how well he adjusted to playing as an NFL level center.

by WesHanson on Aug 24, 2010 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

honestly not sure

He’s played guard so as Tre9er mentioned, you’d hope he could play both.

by David Fucillo on Aug 24, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

It makes me so happy

to think that we are talking about depth across the line. Rather than thinking, “who would least likely mess up” we are now thinking, “who is the best player for the position.” Drafting two linemen was a great decision.

by WesHanson on Aug 24, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Another interesting thought...................

Cody Wallace, the center, the 3rd draft pick from a few years ago.

He seemed like the logical replacement. He has been in the system a couple years and should’ve been the replacement.

Why isn’t he the replacement?

What is his value if he can’t even take the back up spot behind the starting center?

Does he deserve to be on the team at all?

Is he another example of another wasted draft pick?

by Italia1970 on Aug 24, 2010 11:42 AM PDT reply actions  

Unfortunately my answer to your questions would be yes.

He is really too small to be valuable as a guard and when he has been on the line he has been pushed back a lot from what I remember. I think (unfortunately for the kid) that when/if he is released by the 49ers, he’ll go from there to selling insurance or something.

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Aug 24, 2010 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

(Continued) God, I hate touch pads!!!

4. Unfortunately, YES! We sure did a great job of blown draft choices under McC!

by 49erFanSince1950 on Aug 24, 2010 12:16 PM PDT reply actions  

Yes, you are getting ahead of yourself

Though I know it’s only for the sake of pushing discussion.

Fact of the matter is Heitmann is still loads better than Baas. It may be that Baas has found his niche as a C who can backup at G but unless Baas seriously escalates his play or if Heitmann suffers a longer set back then it’s worth putting Heitmann back and letting them gel for the end of the season when we’ll want Heitmann in

by foosball4949 on Aug 24, 2010 1:01 PM PDT reply actions  

I don't know if its really a Chilo v. Heitmann in that scenario

More like power vs reliability.

As far as rhythm and cohesion are concerned, I guess there might be a case in the Baas\Iupati case more than the Bass\Chilo Case. I say this because Heitmann had nothing to do with Chilo’s mental lapses last year.

I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT

by goatfather on Aug 24, 2010 2:14 PM PDT reply actions  

Chilo Rachal preseason performance so far

With regard to oline, seems like we have been mostly focused on the performances of Davis, Iupati and Bass, and that makes sense. I would be interested to hear how people think Rachal is doing? Of course i want him to do well, and i understand that he is young and still developing.
     Does anything we have seen so far this preseason and in practice give us a sense of whether he is progressing well? Does he seemed improved over last year? etc

by zacksf on Aug 24, 2010 2:52 PM PDT reply actions  

if I get time today

I’ll go watch some of the first half again and watch Rachal

Alex Boone WON'T survive on the PS...in fact, he wont even clear waivers.
Let's talk on Twitter

by Tre9er on Aug 25, 2010 5:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks Tre,

I would be very interested in your thoughts on Rachal.

by zacksf on Aug 25, 2010 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

There's a fan post up with the opening drive against the Vikings

You can watch it and clearly see that he’s consistantly being pushed into the backfield and he has one serious blown assignment. On 1st down of the second set of downs, he misses his block totally and Dixon gets tripped in the backfield. Rachal will be replaced by Baas at some point this season, I’m convinced.

by 9thevolution on Aug 25, 2010 8:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

The oline

I say if the current line up is working then leave it as is? I repeat IF?? the line is work let it be.

by bmcrae83@yahoo.com on Aug 24, 2010 3:42 PM PDT reply actions  

Chilo's first two series

is all I had a chance to watch. Here’s my take:

As seems to be the primary strength of most of the 49ers’ OL’s, Chilo is good once engaged. He hangs on and can occupy his man in place, or drive him back sometimes. In close quarters Chilo looks best.

In space, that’s where Chilo suffers. He isn’t great at hitting a moving target, or finding a target to hit while running. When he sees his target he’s not much in control of his body to engage the guy while moving his feet. The Dixon stuff on the first drive was a case of Henderson basically diving at knee level, where Chilo should have just pushed him straight down to the dirt, but he whiffed and Henderson made a shoestring tackle.

Other times he ran towards the guy but only got a flailing hand on him or a punch then couldn’t engage him. Rachal also struggled when releasing to the second level, again, often unable to find and engage the LB effectively.

What this means is two things. First, when Rachal pulls to the left…it’s about 30/70 he’ll make an effective block to spring the play. That means we have to run trap plays to the right more often, making us a little more predictable.

Second, I think this means that our suspicions will probably be correct in that Baas may get a shot to challenge for the RG spot. Baas is VERY good in space, pulling, second level, etc. He’s also probably a better mentor for Davis.

Alex Boone WON'T survive on the PS...in fact, he wont even clear waivers.
Let's talk on Twitter

by Tre9er on Aug 25, 2010 9:15 AM PDT reply actions  

general drive blocking on running plays

he does a nice job for the most part. Pass blocking 1 on 1 he does a decent enough job too. So really, about 1/3 of his game is pretty below average and the rest is average.

Alex Boone WON'T survive on the PS...in fact, he wont even clear waivers.
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by Tre9er on Aug 25, 2010 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Interesting. Thanks.

by zacksf on Aug 25, 2010 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

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