One man's final 53 (prior to preseason Week 3)
by grantmp on Aug 26, 2010 7:45 AM PDT
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I’ve listed the totals at the position and compare the totals with the average number of players the Niners have kept at the position since 2003 (hat tip to Mike Sando’s roided out rosters)
QB: Smith, Carr, Davis (3) (vs. avg 3)
HB: Gore, Westbrook, Dixon, M. Robinson
FB: Norris (5 RBs) (vs. avg 5)
TE: Davis, Walker, Byham (3 TEs) (vs. avg 3)
WR: Crabtree, Morgan, Ginn, Ziegler, K. Williams (5 WRs) (vs. avg 6)
LT: Staley, Boone
LG: Iupati, Baas
C: Heitmann
RG: Rachal, Wragge
RT: Davis, Snyder (9 OLs) (vs. avg 9)
LDE: Sopoaga, McDonald
NT: Franklin, RJF
RDE: J. Smith, Evans (6 DL) (vs. avg 7)
LOLB: Lawson, Brooks
TedLB: Spikes, Bowman
MikeLB: Willis, Wilhelm
ROLB: Haralson, LaBoy, Briggs (9 LBs) (vs. avg 7)
LCB: Clements, Brown, Paymah
SS: Lewis, Mays, C. Taylor
FS: Goldson, R. Smith
RCB: Spencer, W. James (10 DBs) (vs. avg 10)
ST: Brian Jennings, Lee, Nedney (3 STs) (vs. avg 3)
Last 5 off:
B. Sims, Caulcrick (PS), P. Adams (PS), J. Hill, K. Mitchell (PS)
Last 5 on:
C. Taylor, one of Briggs/LaBoy, W. James, Dixon, Wilhelm
The obvious anomaly is the high number of Linebackers, but that seems justified to me since basically all of the OLBs also drop down to play as DEs on passing downs, and because the team probably wouldn’t want to expose Briggs or LaBoy to waiver claims given that the team may not have Lawson beyond next year.
Let me know what you think!
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I think Will James is gone.
James has been injured in camp and hasn’t been able to practice. He is still expected to miss more time. Philipp Adams has come on strong. He missed the Indy game due to injury, but was great against the Vikings in the second half of that game. In practice yesturday, he broke up a few passes and picked off Carr and took it to the house. I think he sees more time against better competition these next two games to see if he is the real deal….. Adams over James.
Not sure if the team keeps Wilhelm, he has misses many tackles in the 2 games resulting in big plays and Mannings only TD (Addai run, but somehow it was all Manning) I don’t think that they let Sims go. With Heitmann out for maybe a month, they will need Sims for depth at the O-line position.
I agree in part
I think paragraph #1 is spot on, as London49er might say. I agree that Wilhelm is on very shaky ground, but think that #53 will be an ILB rookie who has shown a lot of potential in camp rather than keeping Sims.
by seafood lover on Aug 26, 2010 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions
yea, adams over james
adams has had just too good of a preseason and practices. also keep in mind that james is injured and that he is already about 31 yrs old. i wouldn’t be surprised if the niners cut robinson and add on either a waiver wire player or one of the last 5 off you mentioned, but other than that the roster looks good
I think you guys have convinced me re: Adams vs. James
I’d forgotten about James’ injury issues, and I suppose that Adams also has ST value (since he’s caught a few punts recently). I had just figured they’d go with the veteran.
I may hate your timing, but I can't hate your reason for leaving. Vaya con Dios, Glen Coffee.
re: Wilhelm, Sims
He’s missed some tackles, yes, but I think he gets the spot because Manusky trusts him and McKillop is out for the year. If McKillop was healthy, I’d agree that he’d be on shaky ground.
Who do you think they’d drop in order to keep Sims? I really don’t think Sims wouldn’t be claimed by another team if the Niners were to attempt to ’Squad him.
I may hate your timing, but I can't hate your reason for leaving. Vaya con Dios, Glen Coffee.
Sims is 35 years old....
and in no way eligible for the PS. If Sims is cut, he’s gone and that’s it. Another team will sign him but that’s just for depth. Ours is solid enough without him.
by 9thevolution on Aug 26, 2010 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions
I think Sims stays
because otherwise you have to rely on an untested player in Boone.
If you have to cut someone to make room for him cut Snyder or Wragge
Logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority
add Khalif Mitchell
and cut a DB, Taylor or James.
Adams might challenge for last CB spot over Paymah or James too, depending on who you cut fom Taylor or James.
Alex Boone WON'T survive on the PS...in fact, he wont even clear waivers.
Let's talk on Twitter
really?
I mean he’s looked good for a 2nd or 3rd-stringer, but does the team need 3 NTs, given that they’ve got two they really like and that Mitchell has PS eligibility?
I may hate your timing, but I can't hate your reason for leaving. Vaya con Dios, Glen Coffee.
Mitchell lines up at end too
They had 7 DL last year and might stick with that. They could run a bit thin on the OL and only roster 8 because of the guys who can play multiple spots.
by 9thevolution on Aug 26, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
hmmm, so Mitchell as Balmer's replacement?
I guess that would make some sense, but he doesn’t exactly have the profile even of Boone or Briggs, it seems to me. Weren’t they talking about changing him into an OT?
I may hate your timing, but I can't hate your reason for leaving. Vaya con Dios, Glen Coffee.
weird
one was a first round pick, the other was an undrafted rookie.
Yes but Mitchell has been playing as a backup NT and DE and doing pretty good.
A lot better than Balmer.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
this
watch the Indy game in particular…he was in the backfield a lot at both positions he played. He’s a big dude (you’ll see a huge golden arse…that’s him)
Alex Boone WON'T survive on the PS...in fact, he wont even clear waivers.
Let's talk on Twitter
Is that his new nickname? Huge Golden Arse ? ;-)
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Cut James
Let Adams take that last spot and try to make contributions whenever he can.
by 9thevolution on Aug 26, 2010 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions
re: LaBoy
I guess putting LaBoy on the 53-man roster may be a bit premature, but he is a veteran with pass-rush ability, and he looked really good last week. It’ll be interesting to see if you think the same way after the game against the Raiders. You’re also saying, then, that you’d like to see Briggs make the team?
I may hate your timing, but I can't hate your reason for leaving. Vaya con Dios, Glen Coffee.
yes
mainly because briggs is younger, has played good all thorugh camp and games(compared to laboy’s one game) and is cheaper.
I agree to an extent
But LaBoy is a downright beast when he’s healthy.
by mr. instigator on Aug 26, 2010 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
That was my rationale for LaBoy's inclusion
You typically don’t see a guy have a whole year off and then find him in the backfield constantly, even in a preseason game.
I may hate your timing, but I can't hate your reason for leaving. Vaya con Dios, Glen Coffee.
Boone has played pretty good this preseason and unlike Sims.. Boone can play both LT and RT very well.
Sims is getting old so I really think they will keep Boone and not chance losing him..
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
screw it
do we even need a FB? Byham can do it all right? FB, TE, ST’s…that’ll make room for all these guys we wanna keep.
Alex Boone WON'T survive on the PS...in fact, he wont even clear waivers.
Let's talk on Twitter
No disrespect for Sims
I appreciate what he did last year in Staley’s absense and what he’s still showing this year but I’d rather have a long term backup for my tackles. Boone hasn’t peaked yet and will get snatched up if we leave him vulnerable.
by DeathValleyCarl on Aug 26, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
this
is all I’m saying
Alex Boone WON'T survive on the PS...in fact, he wont even clear waivers.
Let's talk on Twitter
We can still keep Sims and Boone
No need to keep Wragge or Snyder—we have better options than both of them. I’d rather have Boone at RT than Snyder
Logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority
are you slow?
or do you just start your sentence and don’t finish them? instead of writing
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOlike an idiot, tell me what you disagree with. LaBoy being cut? James? Oh wait I know, because of Boone right? I don’t get why you people are so high on him.
Well, Grantmp, this is pretty close to how I'm seeing it too.
(after the switch from James to Adams).
I was trying to fault having only 5 WR because two of them moonlight as returners but
1) We’re emphasizing the run
2) We’ve got 2 good receiving TEs (and Westbrook)
3) There are no other WRs left that (I think) deserve a roster spot
so I’m good with that.
by DeathValleyCarl on Aug 26, 2010 12:16 PM PDT reply actions
Minus W. James - Ziegler - D. Briggs
Add Jason Hill + P. Adams + B. Sims
1. Pat Devlin QB 2. Jack Crawford DE/OLB 3. Kendric Burney CB 4. DeAndre Brown WR 4. K.J Wright OLB 5. John Estes C 6. Brandon Saine RB 6. Chris Hairston OT 7. Damarlo Belcher WR 7. Julian Posey CB
So you see, Supraman
11. Thou shalt not cut Ziggy.
by DeathValleyCarl on Aug 26, 2010 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Hill
Can you clarify why you’d add Hill?
by David Fucillo on Aug 26, 2010 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I know this about Hill
He’s never had this afro:
I may hate your timing, but I can't hate your reason for leaving. Vaya con Dios, Glen Coffee.
yup. This was two seasons ago--Dec 23, 2008
I may hate your timing, but I can't hate your reason for leaving. Vaya con Dios, Glen Coffee.
Good special teams contributor
and I have Hill down as the 2nd best WR on the team in my mind. If you had asked me just a few months ago, when we traded for Ginn, my answer would be different. But Ginn hasn’t been able to feel as comfortable in Raye’s offense as I though he’d be. For whatever reason, Hill’s in the doghouse. When he gets in few if any plays are called for him. Hill also plays with a chip on his shoulder and isn’t a toothpick.
1. Pat Devlin QB 2. Jack Crawford DE/OLB 3. Kendric Burney CB 4. DeAndre Brown WR 4. K.J Wright OLB 5. John Estes C 6. Brandon Saine RB 6. Chris Hairston OT 7. Damarlo Belcher WR 7. Julian Posey CB
I'm mostly ok with this
I’d have Adams in over James. And I’ll be somewhat surprised if Miller doesn’t make the roster on special teams ability with McKillop gone.
Caulcrick is ahead of Miller right now
And it doesn’t help Brit by having a horrible game last week and Jehuu doing good.
I don't think Caulcrick is ahead of Miller
Miller was actually on the active 53 last year. Caulcrick was on the street (he’s not a rookie). Caulcrick got lots of playing time last week because we were playing all the 3s a lot.
Logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority
Just what you're looking for, yet another opinion ...
With respect to the final 53:
1. Miller at FB/ST over Norris (cut). I do not understand those who want to keep Norris — he’s way over the hill in running, catching, and blocking; being Frank’s buddy is not a good reason to keep him.
2. The back-up OTs should be Sims and Boone; the back-up G/C should be Baas; Snyder makes it because he can play T/G/C, maybe not well, but he’s better that Wragge.
3. Mitchell at DL over Evans.
4. Adams at CB over James.
With respect to the Practice Squad:
1. Based upon pre-season performances, if you put Boone, Mitchell, or Adams on the PS they will be claimed by other teams; therefore, I think you have to keep all three on the 53.
2. Caulcrick should be put on the PS and will probably not be claimed.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Aug 26, 2010 8:19 PM PDT reply actions
I think you've nailed it
Sims will not get cut in favor of Boone, despite what people want. If Boone makes it it’ll be at the expense of Snyder or Wragge. Wragge was horrible in the game last week as was Snyder.
Evans and Walker were both non-existent on the d-line—Mitchell played lights out and dominated. No way he makes it to the ps if we cut him.
I think Adams has also shown a lot more than James.
Logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority
official roster projections fanpost up:
http://www.ninersnation.com/2010/8/27/1655295/official-nn-53-man-roster
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