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by David Fucillo on Aug 27, 2010 11:38 PM PDT
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PrintOver the last few days, I've noticed a few people posting projections of the 49ers potential 53-man roster. Obviously we welcome that kind of discussion, but we need to make it a bit more orderly. Accordingly, I think we need to have a single official FanPost for 53-man roster projections.
I'll have some front page 53-man projections between now and the end of the preseason, but otherwise, let's use this FanPost for 53-man projections. If someone posts one and you want to comment on it, just reply to their 53-man comment so we can keep things relatively orderly.
Also, in order to keep this up top for the rest of the preseason, please Rec this if you get a moment.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors.
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(parentheses) = injured | italics = listed elsewhere | *= return coverage unit
QB Alex Smith, David Carr, Nate Davis
RB Frank Gore, Brian Westbrook, Anthony Dixon, Michael Robinson*
FB Moran Norris, Brit Miller*
WR Michael Crabtree, Josh Morgan, Ted Ginn, Dominique Zeigler, (Kyle Williams)
TE Vernon Davis, Delanie Walker*, Nate Byham
RT Anthony Davis, Alex Boone
RG Chilo Rachal, Adam Snyder
C (Eric Heitmann) David Baas, Adam Snyder
LG Mike Iupati, David Baas
LT Joe Staley, Barry Sims
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RDE Justin Smith, Demetric Evans
NT Aubrayo Franklin, Ricky Jean-Francois
LDE Isaac Sopoaga, Ray McDonald
WLB Parys Haralson, (Ahmad Brooks), Travis LaBoy
MLB Patrick Willis, Patrick Willis
TLB Takeo Spikes, NaVorro Bowman*
SLB Manny Lawson, Diyral Briggs*
CB Shawntae Spencer, Nate Clements, Tarell Brown*, Karl Paymah*, Phillip Adams
S Dashon Goldson, Michael Lewis, Reggie Smith*, Taylor Mays*, Curtis Taylor*
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K Joe Nedney
P Andy Lee
LS Brian Jennings
KR Ted Ginn
PR (Kyle Williams), Dominique Zeigler
- -
Practice Squad:
QB Jarrett Brown
WR Kevin Jurovich
FB Jehuu Caulcrick
DL Khalif Mitchell
DL Will Tukuafu
ILB Keaton Kristick
ILB Mike Balogun
S Chris Maragos
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I'm down with that.
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by Hoopers Judge on Aug 28, 2010 1:58 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
the second one was in italics
which means he is listed elsewhere. (he is his own backup, since i cut wilhelm.)
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not a bad idea
an injured Patrick Willis > a healthy Matt Wilhelm…
Alex Boone WON'T survive on the PS...in fact, he wont even clear waivers.
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Problem is, an injured Patrick Willis who keeps on playing, is more likely to become a
seriously injured Patrick Willis…. bad idea.
After all was said and done, a lot more got said than done.
yeah?
I was thinking the same thing… I think NaVorro would be there…
Pretty good except for a couple of things
I really can’t see us rostering 5 safeties and only 8 defensive linemen. I think we cut one of the safeties (either Curtis Taylor or Michael Lewis) and keep an extra defensive lineman. I think your practice squad is good other than Mitchell whom I don’t think makes it, which is why I suggest cutting Taylor or Lewis (with his $5 million contract) and keeping Mitchell
Logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority
What's Lewis bringing that makes him so valuable to the team?
Other than a declining skill set and a big contract?
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Realistically speaking I don't think he gets chopped
even if I would like him too
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It will be a difficult choice when they look at young players and Lewis and Evans.
Sing could decide to go with the promising youth.
We could lose Goldson and Lewis next year and so keeping Taylor this year may be more important. He may not make it to the PS.
Mitchell has shown some good things so far and Evans is getting older. I think Mitchell’s upside make make them choose him over Evans. Mitchell is another who may not make it to the PS.
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Best option
As of this moment there is not a better option for SS. Mays will get there eventually and Reggie Smith is a possibility but those two are not better options that Michael Lewis at this time.
only 8 defensive linemen?
i assume you meant only 6, since that’s how many i listed. i still think curtis taylor makes it though, because in camp he was on the first team return coverage unit, which is a major factor in determining which backups get a roster spot. i would love it if they cut michael lewis and gave his starting spot to reggie smith, but i can’t honestly project that to actually happen.
also, i think there’s a very realistic chance Khalif Mitchell clears waivers. last year he couldn’t even hold on to his PS spot all year, and now all of a sudden he’s a league-wide hot commodity? i’m missing step 2 there.
When life gives you fruit, add a bunch of sugar to it.
Step two was week 1 and week 2 in pre-season where he dominated
granted it was against 3rd stringers but that’s what you want
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ehh... we'll see.
i’m not ruling him out from making the roster, but for now, i can find better uses for 53 spots.
When life gives you fruit, add a bunch of sugar to it.
by these3words on Aug 30, 2010 12:50 AM PDT up reply actions
it would have to be Taylor
No way are we OK with Mays yet to consider releasing Lewis.
by remembertheCATCH on Aug 29, 2010 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
even if we did cut Michael Lewis,
Mays wouldn’t start. it would probably be Reggie Smith.
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by these3words on Aug 29, 2010 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Lewis
Well as of yesterday, they’re reporting that he restructured his contract…
SO I believe he’s loss his spot.
I feel if he was the for sure starter then this wouldn’t be happening.
I think this is his last year as a Niner.
I believe he will retire.
I think that he restructured his contract to KEEP his spot for one more season...
After all was said and done, a lot more got said than done.
first of all, it's Byham, with an "h".
and second of all, Brit Miller earned a spot on my roster projection because he’s a member of the first team return coverage unit. if he was just a fullback, he wouldn’t have made it.
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by these3words on Aug 29, 2010 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Our CB's suck when it comes to depth. Paymah? He needs to go, the Bengals have CB's that they will cut that I would prefer over Brown and Paymah.
Black Sand Ninja!!!
No, that's not what he said at all
He said that the Bengals have CBs that will be cut that he would prefer to have over Brown and Paymah.
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Oh my bad.
He said Paymah needs to go. thought it said Brown. But ya i’d rather have Adams as the 4th cb
what are the names of these Bengals CBs?
and how sure are you that they will be cut?
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by these3words on Aug 30, 2010 12:59 AM PDT up reply actions
This is where I start saying I really would have liked Syd'quan Thompson.
Pam liked my old sig better.
i still can't believe Donovan Warren went undrafted.
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I think this is the most likely scenario
Although I can live with keeping Wragge as the backup C until Heitmann is back (not sure if Snyder has taken any snaps for us at C?) We can probably start Taylor on PS for now and then sign him back and decide what to do with Wragge or someone else on the OL (unfortunately might end up being Boone) when Heitmann returns.
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i can see the team keeping Wragge
until Heitmann comes back, and trying to hide Curtis Taylor on the PS until then.
but Heitmann will only miss 2 or 3 games, so it might be smarter to use Adam Snyder as the emergency backup Center for a few games and not risk losing Taylor, who we might need next year when Goldson is a FA and Michael Lewis continues to suck.
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by these3words on Aug 30, 2010 12:53 AM PDT up reply actions
i sooo called this with wilhelm not making it.
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My 53 and PS
QB(3): Alex Smith, David Carr, Nate Davis
RB(4): Frank Gore, Brian Westbrook, Anthony Dixon, Michael Robinson
FB(1): Moran Norris
WR(5): Michael Crabtree, Josh Morgan, Ted Ginn, Dominique Zeigler, Kyle Williams
TE(3): Vernon Davis, Delanie Walker, Nate Byham
OT(3): Joe Staley, Anthony Davis, Barry Sims
OG(4):Mike Iupati, Chilo Rachal, Adam Snyder, Tony Wragge
C(2): David Baas, Eric Heitmann
DE(4): Justin Smith, Issac Sopoaga, Ray McDonald, Khalif Mitchell
NT(2): Aubrayo Franklin, Ricky Jean-Francois
OLB: Manny Lawson, Parys Haralson, Ahmad Brooks, Diyral Briggs, Travis LaBoy
ILB: Patrick Willis, Takeo Spikes, NaVorro Bowman, Matt Wilhelm
CB(5): Nate Clements, Shawntae Spencer, Tarell Brown, Karl Paymah, Phillip Adams
S(5): Dashon Goldson, Michael Lewis, Reggie Smith, Taylor Mays, Curtis Taylor
ST(3): Joe Nedney, Andy Lee, Brian Jennings
Practice Squad(8):
QB: Jarret Brown
FB: Jehuu Caulcrick
FB: Brit Miller
WR: Kevin Jurovich
WR: Bakari Grant
S: Chris Maragos
LB: Mike Balugon
DL: Will Takuafu
Wasn’t sure about the practice squad. so i just came up with a few names.
I like the roster
I really do think Miller makes it due to his special teams action. I don’t think we’d keep both Miller and Caulcrick on the PS—if we put Miller on the PS I think Caulcrick is gone.
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You must not like Boone as you left him off the 53 and the PS.
I think he may beat out either Sims or Snyder/Wragge
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
i would cut Bakari Grant from your PS
and put Keaton Kristick on. we will need more ILBs in the near future (Takeo Spikes is old and Matt Wilhelm sucks) but i don’t think we will need more young receivers anytime soon. every WR that will make the roster this year is from the 2007 draft or later:
Crabtree (2009), Morgan (2008), Ginn (2007), Williams (2010), Zeigler (UDFA 2007), and maybe Hill (2007)
so yeah, we’re pretty much loaded with young WRs.
When life gives you fruit, add a bunch of sugar to it.
Let me update this since the Raider game.
Waive Taylor, and if he makes it through waivers, put him on the PS.
Waive Miller, and if he does make it through waivers, leave him OFF the practice squad.
Waive Grant and keep him off the practice squad.
The only reason to waive a player
is to either put him on the PS if he clears or to put him on IR.
If you’re not planning on keeping him you cut him.
Mark my words—Miller won’t be going anywhere.
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Okay cut, whichever, you got the point.
I dont know, why has caulcrick gotten 2nd team reps the last 2 games?
Do see what he has
same reason Dixon’s gotten 2nd and 1st team reps over the past two games.
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Okay cut, whichever, you got the point.
I dont know, why has caulcrick gotten 2nd team reps the last 2 games then?
you don't want Brit Miller on the Practice Squad?
keep in mind, the PS is for players who have enough talent/potential to become contributers in a year or two, but are too raw to contribute now.
even if he doesn’t make the roster, i still think Brit Miller has the potential to become a contributer in 2011 or 2012, and therefore justifies at least a spot on the Practice Squad.
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by these3words on Aug 30, 2010 12:41 AM PDT up reply actions
My problem is that I want to keep 12 or 13 players on the PS, but we only get 8
After all was said and done, a lot more got said than done.
I would switch Wragge with Boone....
I know that Wragge is a bacKup center (not really but he can play it I’m told), but if Baas got hurt, Snyder also knows how to play center and has taken snaps at center, so I believe that Boone has great upside compared to Wragge. I don’t think that Boone can clear waivers.
by ericalancanty on Sep 2, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
I think tonight's game should put to rest any thoughts that the 49ers will cut Sims
to keep Boone. When Staley got hurt in the first half they turned to Sims as a replacement for the first string offense. Had they been planning on cutting him for Boone they would’ve put Boone in there instead.
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What to do with Boone?
According to Barrows, some undrafted tackle just got waived and 3 teams wanted to sign him. Boone will never make it to the PS. Would you keep 10 OL, cut Boone, or cut Wragge/another lineman?
I'd keep Boone and cut Snyder or Wragge
probably Snyder at this point since we have nobody that can play Center should Baas go down. Once Heitmann comes back I’d cut Wragge
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Yeah
because he sucks at every position he plays
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They will probably keep Snyder, Wragge, Baas and Boone until after Heitmann returns.
Then they will release one.. and that will probably be Wragge
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Why becuz of a preseason game , i'm think'n not ( Boone lover here ) ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's juz my game ...!!
Not just one preseason game.
When he is in the game, you know he will not perform bad. He is a solid backup, and there is no way they cut Sims in favor of Boone.
Snyder is a much better G than T
and should be trying to push Rachal, but is probably a FG unit lineman at this point.
by remembertheCATCH on Aug 29, 2010 1:36 PM PDT reply actions
He wasn't impressive in action against Minnesota
I haven’t re-watched this game yet to see how he did.
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49ers made a couple of roster moves today
Waived Brandon Long
Waived Bakari Grant
Waived Patrick Stoudamire
This drops us down to the 75 that we need to be at by the 31st.
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cuts
Not sure how much there will be to discuss, but I just posted about the 3 cuts on the front page:
http://www.ninersnation.com/2010/8/29/1657470/2010-nfl-roster-cuts-49ers-waive
by David Fucillo on Aug 29, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Here's my 53 (how I would like to see it, not what I expect to happen).
QB: A. Smith, Carr, N. Davis
RB/FB: Gore, Westbrook, Dixon, Miller
WR: Crabtree, Morgan, Ginn, Zeigler, Williams
TE: V. Davis, Walker, Byham
OL: Staley, Iupati, Heitmann, Rachal, A. Davis, Baas, Wragge, Boone, Sims
DL: J. Smith, Franklin, Soap., RJF, McDonald, Evans, Mitchell
LB: Willis, Spikes, Bowman, Wilhelm, Lawson, Haralson, Brooks, Briggs, LaBoy
CB: Clements, Spencer, Brown, Adams, Paymah
S: Lewis, Goldson, R.Smith, Mays
Spec. Teams: Lee, Nedney, Jennings, Robinson
PS:
QB Brown
FB Caulcrick
WR Jurovich
OL de la Peunte
DL Tuktuafu
S Taylor
CB Stoudemire
LB Kristick
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Sadly I think you're right
even though I hate what Norris brings as a player.
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Here’s my 53 (how I would like to see it, not what I expect to happen).
How was I not clear? This roster isn’t what I think will happen, but what I think should.
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by Hoopers Judge on Aug 29, 2010 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Taylor, PS, he wouldn't last.
No Morris, is laughable almost and I don’t see why would keep Miller and Byham can play some FB. Interchangeable players will seal even some good players fates.
Black Sand Ninja!!!
Was that even English? You need to make at least a token effort to write more clear.
1) Norris isn’t a good FB.
2) Miller brings more to Special Teams then Norris.
3) Byham is a TE. Not a starting FB.
4) With both Byham and Miller on the roster, what great player is getting blocked?
5) Taylor’s only significant playing time is on Special Teams, nothing a team would claim him off waiver wires for.
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by Hoopers Judge on Aug 29, 2010 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions
The indication of Byham playing some FB means I know he plays another position.
Taylor has better coverage skills than our starting SS, you never know who would claim him, the Seahawks are very young and inexperienced there. What miller brings to ST’s can be found in another player easily, for example Byham, why does this sound like I been over this before, ahh yes you have an issue reading or something.
Black Sand Ninja!!!
We actually haven’t seen a lot of Taylor on D. He brings nothing to the team that other, better Safeties could.
Also you haven’t addressed Norris being awful as a FB with no Special Teams value. Miller is at least Special Teams value and has potential at FB. No reason to roster Norris.
Byham is a TE. We all saw what he can do at FB, get knocked on his butt.
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by Hoopers Judge on Aug 30, 2010 10:48 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
*couldn't
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by Hoopers Judge on Aug 30, 2010 10:48 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Do we need Evans?
I’d rather get rid of Evans and put on one of the guys on the PS.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Aug 29, 2010 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions
The thinking on holding on to Evans is probably because he’s got the experience edge and he’s expendable after this season anyway. The other guys have time to develop and they’ll come cheaper next year if and when the salary cap is back in effect.
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Rostering only 6 D-Linemen is asking for trouble.
Evans is under contract for one more year. He’s only an extra body anyways.
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by Hoopers Judge on Aug 29, 2010 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions
So what if he's under contract for another year?
we don’t owe him any money and i’d rather keep a talented OLB than someone who’s just a warm body at DE
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Rostering only 6 D-Linemen will come back to bite the Niners in the butt. Also, if you look at my hypothetical roster, we keep all 5 OLB’s with 7 D-Linemen. No one with potential is left out.
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by Hoopers Judge on Aug 30, 2010 10:54 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Seriously, it's like no one read my roster before they busted out the unfounded critical comments.
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by Hoopers Judge on Aug 30, 2010 11:02 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I've found that a lot on here, that people come at you critically for something you said,
while completely ignoring the context in which it was said. I find myself wanting to contribute less and less because of it.
On a separate note, there are several “personalities” around here whose posts I completely ignore because I know, in advance, that trying to read them and actually understand them will be an exercise in futility. They’ll use the excuse that this is just a football board… I don’t feel that there’s any excuse for not being able to write your own native language at at least a ninth-grade level… and if someone has actually graduated from high school, their writing should reflect that. Have at least SOME pride, people… (H J, none of this rant was directed at you)
After all was said and done, a lot more got said than done.
It gets a little frustrating after awhile.
Smileyman is good people though, i’d give him the benefit of the doubt. Though i’d wish people would actually look at my original post before sounding off on it.
we don’t owe him any money and i’d rather keep a talented OLB than someone who’s just a warm body at DEComments like that when I already have Brooks, LaBoy, and Briggs all on the 53.
But what I don’t understand is rlott flaming me for leaving a bad FB off a hypothetical roster. It seemed like flaming for its own sake.
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by Hoopers Judge on Aug 30, 2010 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I was expressing my preference for not having Evans on the roster at all
That ain’t anywhere close to flaming.
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Didn't say you were.
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by Hoopers Judge on Aug 30, 2010 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions
You defended Evans on your roster
by saying he had another year on his contract. I responded by saying I’d rather have an extra OLB than a defensive lineman who’s no more than a warm body.
How is that not indicative of me reading your roster?
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Because there's no more descent OLB prospects in camp past the ones I already have on my roster.
The OLB’s on my roster are: Lawson, Haralson, Brooks, Briggs, LaBoy. There’s no one else worth rostering in terms of OLB’s.
And if Evans is taken off, that’s 6 D-Linemen total, which is too few. If even one guy gets injury we’re up the creek.
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by Hoopers Judge on Aug 30, 2010 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions
looks like you've got to kick Stoudamire off your PS.
i would suggest Chris Maragos, since Curtis Taylor probably won’t last, but Matt Kopa and Mike Balogun would also be excellent choices.
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The Niners waived Stoudemire.
So if he gets by waivers, we can still stick him on the PS.
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by Hoopers Judge on Aug 30, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
yes, patrick stoudamire
is eligible for the practice squad, but players who get waived before the final set of roster cuts almost never end up on the practice squad.
so at this point, i think we can assume that stoudamire, bakari grant, and brandon long will not make the practice squad even thought they are all eligible for it.
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by these3words on Aug 30, 2010 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions
If the Niners had absolutely no interest in Stoudemire, they would've cut him outright. Not just waive him.
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by Hoopers Judge on Sep 1, 2010 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions
are you sure?
i thought if you cut a rookie, they automatically got put on the waiver list.
i’m not totally clear on the waiver wire rules.
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You're actually right
Went and read up on it and it’s basically got to do with time of service.
A vested player (4 or more accrued seasons) who’s cut by the team automatically becomes a free agent, unless that cut happens after the trading deadline (which I think is week 6) but before the end of the season.
Any player with less than 4 years worth of accrued seasons is automatically put on the waiver wire. The time on the waiver wire is different, depending on the time of year, but the rules are the same. Any team in the league can put a claim on the guy and the team with the worst record has first priority.
Most sports writers seem to use the terms “cut”, “released”, and “waived” interchangeably.
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QB (3) – Alex Smith, David Carr, Nate Davis
RB (5) – Frank Gore, Brian Westbrook, Anthony Dixon, Michael Robinson, Moran Norris
WR (5) – Michael Crabtree, Josh Morgan, Ted Ginn, Dominique Zeigler, Kyle Williams
TE (3) – Vernon Davis, Delanie Walker, Nate Byham
Offensive Line (10) – Joe Staley, Mike Iupati, Eric Heitmann, Chilo Rachal, Anthony Davis, Barry Sims, Alex Boone, David Baas, Tony Wragge, Adam Snyder
Defensive Line (6) – Justin Smith, Aubrayo Franklin, Isaac Sopoaga, Ray McDonald, Ricky Jean Francois, Khalif Mitchell
Linebackers (9) – Parys Haralson, Takeo Spikes, Patrick Willis, Manny Lawson, Travis LaBoy, NaVorro Bowman, Matt Wilhelm, Ahmad Brooks, Diyral Briggs
Cornerbacks (5) – Nate Clements, Shawntae Spencer, Tarell Brown, Will James, Phillip Adams
Safeties (4) – Dashon Goldson, Michael Lewis, Reggie Smith, Taylor Mays
Specialists (3) – Joe Nedney, Andy Lee, Brian Jennings
PS (8)
QB Jarret Brown, FB Brit Miller, WR Kevin Jurovich, DL Will Tukuafu, S Chris Maragos, S Curtis Taylor, LB Keaton Kristick, OL Brian de la Puente
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The veteran we signed to a one year deal
who’s barely gotten any playing time
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When he played and practiced, he was in starting roles.
Paymah has been in nickel at best and special teams. He is, in a sense, a backup, whereas Paymah is a special teamer.
And then God created Saturn... and he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
Twitter me and what not.
Not what I meant.
I meant, Will James on the roster? He’s injured. Do you think they would cut him for now, until his ankle heals, and sign him to the roster. He was performing very good before his injury. And if they did, would they keep him along with Paymah and Adams. Or would they cut Paymah. Even though Paymah is a good special teamer. Do you know how James has done on special teams in the past. Or was he ever on them.
Yep.
I think the team likes him more than Paymah, despite injuries.
And then God created Saturn... and he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
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what makes you think the team likes Will James?
in the short time before he got injured, i remember reading the practice notes from the beat writers and the name WIll James kept coming up in the same sentence as “was responsible for deep coverage on the play” and “hit Vernon Davis for an easy touchdown”.
needless to say, it didn’t sound like he was doing very well.
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by these3words on Aug 30, 2010 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Looked decent in the games.
Played better last season than Paymah ever has, coming off his best season, didn’t actually look bad in practice. Mostly, I think Paymah is a terrible corner. I’d take an emergency backup cornerback with proven starter ability (James) when we have two corners who have missed sizeable time in their careers as opposed to keeping Paymah on because he’s decent at special teams.
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by James Brady on Aug 30, 2010 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions
QB: (3) Alex Smith, David Carr, Nate Davis
RB: (3) Frank Gore, Brian Westbrook, Anthony Dixon
FB: (1) Moran Norris
WR:(5) Michael Crabtree, Josh Morgan, Ted Ginn, Kyle Williams, Dominique Zeigler
TE: (3) Vernon Davis, Delanie Walker, Nate Bynham
OL: (9) Joe Staley, Mike Iupati, Eric Heitmann, Chilo Rachal, Anthony Davis, Barry Sims, David Baas, Alex Boone, Tony Wragge
DL: (6) Isaac Sopoaga, Aubrayo Franklin, Justin Smith, Ricky Jean-Francois, Ray McDonald, Kahlif MItchell
ILB: (4) Takeo Spikes, Matt Wilhelm, NaVorro Bowman, Patrick Willis
OLB: (5) Parys Haralson, Manny Lawson, Ahmad Brooks, Travis LaBoy, Diyral Briggs
CBs: (5) Shantae Spencer, Nate Clements, Tarrel Brown, Phillip Adams, Karl Paymah
Safeties: (4) Michael Lewis, Dashon Goldson, Reggie Smith, Taylor Mays
Kickers: (2) Joe Nedney, Andy Lee, Shane Andrus
Special Teams: (2) Brian Jennings, Michael Robinson
I’m predicting two kickers on the final 53 simply because Mr. Roboto is getting old and doesn’t have the power in his leg that he used to. If it’s a 40 yard field goal or less I’d want him in. Anything longer than that and there’s cause for concern. Plus his kick offs aren’t all that impressive. I find it very odd that we have two kickers on the roster still—both of ’em veterans—and both have been on the roster since the end of the last season.
If we do cut bait and go with one kicker my pick is for Brit Miller to land on the roster.
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No Adam Snyder?
That’s a huge mistake, in my opinion.
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I think Snyder is on his way out the door
his performance thus far at guard has been less than inspiring. Baas can fill the role of backup guard just fine and Wragge can do it at least as well as Snyder (though both of them fail to fill me with confidence).
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I haven't seen him make mistakes at guard.
Few and far between, if that. I’d rather have him than Wragge. Snyder >>>>> Wragge by a huge margin.
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The question, for both of you, is, Will Snyder be a good backup C. If not then Wragge is in and Snyder out.
If Snyder shows he can be a backup C then Wragge is out and Snyder is in. Snyder may not be that good but he does backup all positions on the OL.
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If he can snap, then yeah.
From what I’ve heard, he can snap. I theorized years ago that if Snyder could snap he could be a fantastic center, it fits him better than any other position based on his size, speed, strength and footwork.
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by James Brady on Aug 30, 2010 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions
He could probably be at least serviceable at center
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interesting thought with the two kickers
but if Joe Nedney makes them nervous enough to keep Shane Andrus, there’s a good chance Nedney is gone.
i mean, you say you’re only comfortable with Joe Nedney for field goals of up to 40 yeards. but how many field goals of 40 or less yards would Shane Andrus miss? enough to justify giving two roster spots to kickers? i don’t see it.
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by these3words on Aug 30, 2010 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions
*40 yards
just to clarify, in case anyone thought i meant “field goals of up to 40 years”.
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He's only attempted one field goal during the regular season
and missed that one.
However last year he averaged almost 67 yards on his kickoffs. Nedney averages closer to 60 yards. If we’re focusing as much on special teams as Singletary seems to be implying we are a kicker with a strong leg might make it just to kick off.
This year Nedney has had one KO in the pre-season and it went 65 yards. Not too bad—Andrus 70.9 yards over 7 KOs against Indy, 64.8 yards over 4 KOs vs Minnesota, and 65 over 2 kickoffs vs Oakland
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you are making an excellent case for Shane Andrus making the roster
but i still think that if he does, Joe Nedney is gone.
so what if Andrus missed his first field goal attempt? if he can’t make short kicks with decent consistency, he probably wouldn’t still be on the team. maybe he misses more than Nedney, but he would have to miss a lot more than Nedney to justify giving Nedney a roster spot with Andrus already on.
if the coaching staff is comfortable with Nedney, then it’s Nedney all the way. if not, then it’s all-in with Andrus.
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I'm feeling pretty confident that Andrus makes it
just not yet willing to say it’s at the expense of Nedney—at least not to begin the season.
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bold prediction:
Joe Nedney has kicked his last field goal for the 49ers.
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don't get too excited.
i said it was a bold prediction, as in, “not entirely likely”.
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But when you two discover that Boone is the new kicker.. you will be totally surprised.
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no way.
Kurt Shottenheimer will declare himself the team’s new kicker.
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Just a guess
Quarterbacks (3) Alex Smith, David Carr, Nate Davis
Running Backs (3) Frank Gore, Brian Westbrook, Anthony Dixon
Fullbacks (1) Moran Norris
Tight Ends (3) Vernon Davis, Delanie Walker, Nate Byham
Wide Receivers (5) Michael Crabtree, Josh Morgan, Ted Ginn, Dominique Zeigler, Kyle Williams
Offensive Line (10) Joe Staley, Mike Iupati, Eric Heitmann, Chilo Rachal, Anthony Davis, Barry Sims, David Baas, Tony Wragge, Adam Snyder, Alex Boone
Defensive Line (6) Isaac Sopoaga, Aubrayo Franklin, Justin Smith, Ray McDonald, Ricky Jean Francois, Demetric Evans
Inside Linebackers (3) Patrick Willis, Takeo Spikes, NaVorro Bowman
Outside Linebackers (5) Parys Haralson, Manny Lawson, Ahmad Brooks, Diyral Briggs, Travis LaBoy
Cornerbacks (6) Nate Clements, Shawntae Spencer, Tarrel Brown, Will James, Phillip Adams, Tramaine Brock
Safeties (5) Dashon Goldson, Michael Lewis, Taylor Mays, Reggie Smith, Curtis Taylor
Specialists (3) Joe Nedney, Andy Lee, Brian Jennings
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