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Projecting the San Francisco 49ers 53-man roster #2

The 49ers find themselves halfway through the 2010 NFL preseason, which means we're that much closer to final roster cuts. Next Tuesday NFL teams have to cut down to 75 players, and then a week from today they cut down to their final 53-man rosters. I had intended to provide 53-man roster projections a bit more frequently this month, but obviously that hasn't happened.

Nonetheless, with tonight's game against the Raiders, now seems like as good a time as any to come out with my second projection. Much has changed since my first projection shortly before training camp. We've had some big injuries and some roster moves that have mixed up the various roster battles. For now, here's my 53-man projection (with changes underlined). After the jump we have some discussion of the bubble battles that will continue playing out tonight. 

Offense
QB (3): Alex Smith, David Carr, Nate Davis
RB (4): Frank GoreBrian WestbrookMichael Robinson, Anthony Dixon
FB (1): Moran Norris
WR (5): Michael Crabtree, Josh Morgan, Ted Ginn Jr., Kyle Williams, Dominique Zeigler
TE (3): Vernon DavisDelanie Walker, Nate Byham
LT (2): Joe Staley, Barry Sims
LG (2): Mike Iupati, Tony Wragge
C (2): David BaasEric Heitmann
RG (2): Chilo Rachal, Adam Snyder
RT (2): Anthony Davis, Alex Boone

Defense
DE (4): Justin SmithIsaac SopoagaRay McDonald, Khalif Mitchell
DT (2): Aubrayo Franklin, Ricky Jean-Francois
OLB (5): Manny LawsonParys Haralson, Ahmad Brooks, Travis LaBoy, Diyral Briggs
ILB (4): Patrick WillisTakeo SpikesNavorro Bowman, Matt Wilhelm
CB (5): Nate ClementsShawntae Spencer, Tarell Brown, Karl PaymahPhillip Adams
FS (2): Dashon Goldson, Reggie Smith
SS (2): Michael Lewis, Taylor Mays

Special Teams
K: Joe Nedney
P: Andy Lee
LS: Brian Jennings

Last 5 on: Tony Wragge/Alex Boone, Khalif Mitchell, Nate Byham, Travis LaBoy, Phillip Adams

First 5 off: Jason Hill, Curtis Taylor, Brit Miller, Will Tukuafu, Demetric Evans

Star-divide

I'll be honest, this is a tough 53-man to put together. You get through about 45 or so guys and you've got a lot of decent options you can mix in. Of the last five on, Wragge was a tough one. Right now I have ten offensive linemen on the 53-man roster, which would seem a touch much. However, given the situation with Eric Heitmann's broken leg, I think the team will need a second center option. David Baas seems to have secured the starting center position, but you don't go into the season with one guy at that position. Wragge has experience playing center, which is why I've included him.

The other position I am not so sure about is outside linebacker, particularly in light of Singletary's comments about Ahmad Brooks likely being healthy by the start of the regular season. If that's the case, can you really afford to keep both Travis LaBoy and Diyral Briggs on the roster? I've got both there, but I'd lean more towards keeping Curtis Taylor or an extra defensive lineman. LaBoy can be a beast when healthy, but he's oft-injured. Briggs has shown potential, but who knows if it will turn into production.

As far as bubble battles, we've got people battling others for time at their position, as well as people battling anybody and everybody for a simple roster spot. Considering the significance of today's "third" preseason game, the bubble is getting fairly precarious. Some of the bubble guys out there:

Curtis Taylor: He's shown ability, but he would seem to be precisely positioned on the bubble at this point. Considering the 49ers added Taylor Mays in the offseason, and are seeing better production out of Reggie Smith, a fifth safety might be a luxury the team does not feel is necessary. He needs to step up tonight in the secondary and on special teams.

Brit Miller/Jehuu Caulcrick: I'm fairly convinced at this point that Nate Byham will be snagging the roster spot for which one of these two would have been slotted. While both have their positives, I just think the team is looking at Byham as being a more versatile option, like a poor man's Chris Cooley. OK, maybe more like a homeless man's Chris Cooley. But basically a guy who can move around to different positions on the field.

Will Tukuafu/Demetric Evans: A lot of folks are really high on Tukuafu, and I certainly do think he's talented. At this point he's a victim of the numbers game on my 53-man roster. If the team went with one less offensive lineman or outside linebacker, Tukuafu would likely be the guy who ends up on the roster. I think I'm hemming-and-hawing a bit because I'll likely make a more firm decision after tonight's game. As for Evans, he's a veteran presence, but if the team feels Khalif Mitchell can do the better job, I'd imagine they'll go with the younger, cheaper option.

Jason Hill: I think he's a very talented receiver who seems to be wasting his chance. Of course, there is some question as to whether he's in somebody's dog house or not. I would argue he's generally a more talented receiver than Dominique Zeigler, but Zeigler seems to do the extra things necessary to stick on the team. And considering the fact that we're talking about the 4th or 5th receiver on this team, it's not a lot of touches at issue. If he doesn't show something tonight, I don't know what chance he has left.

Backup Offensive Linemen: We had some discussion about this topic earlier in the week. Rather than list individual players, I've decided to just go with the generic title because at this point anything could happen and I wouldn't be surprised. The four players that could be at issue are Tony Wragge, Alex Boone, Barry Sims, and Adam Snyder. Some are safer than others, but it all depends on how comfortable the 49ers are along the line. Although Baas has apparently secured the starting center position, the team will need a backup center until Heitmann is healthy. Wragge has played center before, but now it sounds like Snyder is getting some snaps at center in practice. I think the team realizes it can't keep a 10-man contingent of linemen, but rather needs to shave one person off. Given Snyder's versatility between guard and tackle (and maybe now center), I think Wragge could be the guy on the outs. But who knows at this point. Tonight might tell us more.

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Is Mitchell really above Evans on the depth chart?

Let’s throw together a practice squad shall we

Curtis Taylor
Will Tukuafu
Patrick Stoudamire
Brandon Long
Brian De La Puente
Jehuu Caulcrick

Do Britt Miller or Joe Jon Finley still have eligibility? I think Mitchell does if he doesn’t make the roster.

They usually keep 5 or 6 from the 75 man roster and add 2 or 3 elsewhere.

by whistlingmountain on Aug 28, 2010 7:30 AM PDT reply actions  

My practice squad-

David Carr
Nate Davis
Ted Ginn Jr. (please make me eat my words)
Adam Snyder (would be David Baas if he didn’t work out so well at center)
Jason Hill (someday he will be a solid reciever, just not for us)

by Pat Willie on Aug 28, 2010 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

David Carr
Nate Davis
Ted Ginn Jr. (please make me eat my words)

derp.

Dashon, Mays, and Bamm Bamm will get the record for most decapitations in one season

by MichaelClutchtree on Aug 28, 2010 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

I still want to know

what goes on on the PS??

"Moving Forward."

by L. J on Aug 28, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Practice squad eligibility

players with less than three years in the NFL
If during those three years a player dresses for more than 6 games they’re ineligible for the practice squad.

Take Brit Miller. He entered the draft in 2009, so that gives him until the end of 2011 to be on the practice squad. However he dressed for 5 games last season, so should he dress for even one game this season his PS eligibility is done with.

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by smileyman on Aug 28, 2010 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know

But they could all use some extra practice.

by Pat Willie on Aug 29, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ummm...huh?

So on game day if for example Alex got hurt and had to take off a few plays you’d have what…VD play QB or something? Um…really do you understand the concept of PS?

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Aug 28, 2010 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

with the injury to donnie avery

i think we should try to get a 5th or 6th rounder for jason hill with a trade to rams

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by DreZ on Aug 28, 2010 7:34 AM PDT reply actions  

Who

will give us a pick for Hill when everyone anticipates him being cut shortly?

by See Jay on Aug 28, 2010 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

if you need a wide receiver, why not give a pick when you find someone that can do the job

if he is cut, everyone else gets a chance, too. sometimes its not a bad thing to just pay a little for certainty.

They're called RUNS for a reason.

by connie mack on Aug 28, 2010 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Anyone that is below the Rams on the waver order.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.

by SpurredOn on Aug 28, 2010 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

How bout

5th or 6th rounder.

"Moving Forward."

by L. J on Aug 28, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would be happy with a 6th or a 7th.

You can get some special people in the 6th and 7th.

by manraj7 on Aug 28, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah I'd take a 6th

for a guy that might not make the team.

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by smileyman on Aug 28, 2010 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Too many Half-backs

and not enough Full-backs. There is also one to many Offensive Linemen in there.

by Pat Willie on Aug 28, 2010 8:24 AM PDT reply actions  

Agree.

One of Snyder, Sims, Wragge, Boone needs to go. I think Sims is the one who gets cut. Wragge and Snyder are both younger and more versatile, and Boone has good potential to step in at LT or RT. Snyder was atrocious at times last season, it’s true, but…

by See Jay on Aug 28, 2010 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

I can't see us cutting Sims

in favor of less talented Wragge and Snyder

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by smileyman on Aug 28, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ageed Sims would be the last one cut

out of Sims, Snyder, Wragge, and Boone. Boone might make it and with Sims you have a guy that can play either T position and fairly well should there be a problem. Snyder can backup at pretty much every position on the line. Is he gonna be great? no. But he will be functional. I like Boone but not sure just yet if we can “trust” him in game. This is the real season guys and we’re trying to ensure that we at least make the playoffs cuz it’s a new ballgame from there.

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Aug 28, 2010 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

It seems to me that this post could be titled "Who has the most to prove on Sunday?"

My top 5 6 would be:
Caulcrick (to replace Norris)
Mitchell (to replace Evans)
Adams (to earn a spot instead of Taylor)
LaBoy/Briggs (to earn a spot over the other guy or instead of a player at another position)
Boone (to replace Sims)

Each one of these guys has a chance to unseat a veteran with solid play against the Raiders. In each case, I would love to see he young guy win out. In terms of the likelihood of their being on the team I’d rank it this way: 1) LaBoy/Briggs 2) Boone 3) Adams 4) Mitchell 5) Caulcrick.

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by grantmp on Aug 28, 2010 8:29 AM PDT reply actions  

Boone must stay!

He has the desire. Before he changed his body, the 49ers saw something in him. They put him on the PS & he changed his body! (Sure wish I knew what really happens on the PS so I can understand what Boone did & what the PS is all about!) He wants to play well. He knows what it takes to be good in this league, & he already took the first step. Mind & body right. He needs to stick & stay! So does LaBoy. If he is not a starter & he won’t be, that will cut down on his injuries. P Adams looks good! If the kid continues to shine….I don’t know.

"Moving Forward."

by L. J on Aug 28, 2010 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

The PS

Basically trans a player so that next year they can be prepared for the future. If they see a person who has potential they will throw him on the PS to see if they can capture that potential.

by manraj7 on Aug 28, 2010 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

With regard to fullbacks...

I think, if Caulcrick can continue to perform at a high level like he did in the last game, we replace Moran Norris with him. We all know that last season Norris was the prognosticator of 1 yard losses up the middle…

Also, what with Brit Miller becoming an ST ace in the mold of Scott McKillop, I say he makes the roster also (cut Sims and, as I said, Norris). That gives us a healthy stable of RBs and FBs to support the running-game-by-committee that I’d like to see this season.

Just my .02 :)

by See Jay on Aug 28, 2010 8:35 AM PDT reply actions  

Including Byham as a part-time FB, too, here.

by See Jay on Aug 28, 2010 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

It will be interesting to see who they keep at FB and ST.

Robinson, Miller, Norris and Caulcrick are all FBs and Miller and Robinson are both STs.
Also, Byham is a pretty good backup FB.. or at least he looked like that against Minnesota.

With the difficult choices this year at several positions we may end up with a couple of surprise decisions.

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"

by Eastbayjim on Aug 28, 2010 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

have a hunch a veteran will be cut

Been nagging at me for a few days. Beyond J. Hill, I predict Norris or even Michael Lewis (though I like him). Anyone else think the team will cut a major player? I don’t see Nate Davis as necessary to the team and he could be put on the practice squad and the team can go with two qbs.

by Vertigo on Aug 28, 2010 8:57 AM PDT reply actions  

Pretty good roster guesses as of today, I think

Fooch: I agree that the debate is at the edges of the bubbles, not the core. Just to pick the bubble with the thinnest wall (to torture the metaphor a bit longer), I think at crunch time we opt to keep Curtis Taylor (high upside, good STer) at the expense of Khalif Mitchell, who I think can be safely stashed on the practice squad until Heitman is back and playing well, rendering Tony Wragge superfluous and just a phone call away if he is released.

I assume the PS nomination of

David Carr
Nate Davis
Ted Ginn Jr. (please make me eat my words)
Adam Snyder (would be David Baas if he didn’t work out so well at center)
Jason Hill (someday he will be a solid reciever, just not for us)

by Pat Willie

was 100% tongue in cheek—-only 1 of the 5 is PS eligible (N.D.) due to amount of time they have spent previously on an active NFL roster.

by seafood lover on Aug 28, 2010 9:04 AM PDT reply actions  

I really hope Khalif Mitchell makes the roster. I don’t think he would survive on the practice squad.

It would be interesting to see if C. Taylor (is he PS eligible still?) and A. Boone would last on the practice squad. We may need Taylor next year if both Lewis and Goldson are done as 49ers.

One of Snyder and Wragge need to go. It sounds like Snyder has been playing backup C a little, though I don’t know how well it’s going. If we keep Simms, Boone, and Wragge, then Snyder is useless.

LaBoy and Briggs both seem to have a ton of talent, it would be a shame to lose one of them. I though LaBoy played really well last game.

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by theghostofjasonellison on Aug 28, 2010 9:09 AM PDT reply actions  

Here's the Practice Squad problem ...

IMHO, each of the following guys has shown enough potential in the pre-season that if ANY of them are waived in the hopes of putting them on the PS, they will be claimed by another team and lost to us permanently:

Phillip Adams
Alex Boone
Diyral Briggs
Nate Davis
Khalif Mitchell
Curtis Taylor

Therefore, IF we want to keep them all for now or the future, I think they have to be included on the final 53. IF we don’t mind losing them (I certainly DO mind — I want them all), take a chance but don’t moan later.

Although this is unbalanced in favor of the defense, these are the guys that I would like to see on the PS:

FB either Caulcrick or Miller *, OT Chris Patrick, DT Derek Walker, DT Will Tukuafu, LB Bruce Davis, LB Mike Balogun, CB Patrick Stoudamire, S Chris Maragos.

  • I’m hoping that Norris will be cut and that either Caulcrick or Miller will make the final 53 and the other will be moved to the PS.

by 49erFanSince1950 on Aug 28, 2010 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Mmmmmm

Absolutely Gone
Diyral Biggs

Strong Chance of Being Gone
Nate Davis
Khalif Mitchell

50/50 of Being Gone
Phillip Adams
Alex Boone
Curtis Taylor

Adams probably has the best chance of slipping to the PS because he’s a CB and not ready to start. Someone would have to like him for a development project but he’s shown promise to float that thought.

Boone might not land on a roster right away but it wouldn’t take long. Teams will first check the waiver wire for a veteran like Sims but someone would talk themselves into giving Boone a look, especially with an injury on the roster.

Curtis Taylor would be a Seahawk. One man’s trash has been a Seattle Seahawks Scott McCloughan treasure all summer.

by bignerd on Aug 28, 2010 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't see Briggs going

He’s shown too much talent last preseason and this one.

by Vertigo on Aug 28, 2010 9:16 AM PDT reply actions  

Just popping in to say that Khalif Mitchell is f'ing awful.

I haven’t seen much of Demetric Evans or Will Tukuafu, but they HAVE to be better than that guy. If Mitchell makes the roster, then it is a direct sign that we have absolutely no depth on the D-line at all.

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by shlecko on Aug 28, 2010 9:24 AM PDT reply actions  

I really don't know who Mitchell is, like shool he attended, and his history....

But he has play very well in the 2 games I watched. I do have a vested interent in Tukuafu…he played at Oregon ….my favorite college team, so I have watched him make plays for a few years now.

by ericalancanty on Aug 28, 2010 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Just curious

have you actually watched the pre-season games? He’s done very well

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by smileyman on Aug 28, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Just not sure that they keep Wragge.....

Wragge is the backup to the backup to the center. Baas has a stinger but it will not keep him out of the regular season games. The team has had Snyder taking snaps at center as an emergency backup. If Baas got injured in a game, Sntder could finish the game and then the 49ers could look to resign Wragge.

by ericalancanty on Aug 28, 2010 9:52 AM PDT reply actions  

Wragge

I think he also plays backup to both Guard spots so he’s actually a very versatile OL to have.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.

by SpurredOn on Aug 28, 2010 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

One potential change at QB

If Jarrett Brown has a good game tonight, do not be surprised if Nate Davis is the one getting chopped. We already know Nate is in Sing’s dog house, and he hasn’t had a great pre-season. Yes, yes, yes… he can throw a ball 65 yards. But so could J. Russell. I’m just say’n…

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by W.Tyler #26 Kicks @$$ on Aug 28, 2010 9:57 AM PDT reply actions  

No way.

Davis may have been criticized but he’s already got a year in the system, plus he has huge upside. Even if brown plays well, so what? One of the most common critiques of ND is that in preseason he’s playing against scrubs – preseason prowess does not a starter make. Davis has had a fine preseason, all things considered, and there’s no indication they they’d dump him.

by See Jay on Aug 28, 2010 10:46 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Brown

Jarrett Brown hasn’t taken a preseason snap and gets very few in practice. The team is frustrated with Davis but also has recognized his upside.

by David Fucillo on Aug 28, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

The team could probably trade Nate Davis for a late round pick if they wanted. He’s flashed enough for some team to like him.

by bignerd on Aug 28, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

IF, I SAID "IF"

we keep Davis & Brown I bet that by the bye week Brown will know as much of the playbook as Davis does.
I don’t mean that in a bad way…I’m just saying!

"Moving Forward."

by L. J on Aug 28, 2010 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

49ers can cut Wragge and if they experience an injury at center before Heitmann comes back they can pick him off his couch.

by bignerd on Aug 28, 2010 11:13 AM PDT reply actions  

doubt it

Wragge is not a good player

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by smileyman on Aug 28, 2010 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

No he's not

he dressed for 7 games last year.

6 games is the limit to still be PS eligible.

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by smileyman on Aug 28, 2010 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

You're right

So Taylor still has 2 games before he’s PS ineligible

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by smileyman on Aug 28, 2010 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

I concur with your points, Fooch. I wonder about Evans, since as a vet I could see the team keeping a guy with his experience who the coaches feel very comfortable with. But this may be me thinking in terms of this team having such a young roster the past handful of seasons that needed veteran influence. This team is now talented with depth and can afford to choose a few young guys with upside (Mitchell, Briggs) that are unlikely to clear wavers for the PS.

If possible I’d like to trade Jason Hill, even for a 7th round pick, instead of cut him. The Rams will claim him immediately with their lack or options at WR and he’ll get plenty of reps. Better to control where he’s going than face him twice per season as he is familiar with our systems.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.

by SpurredOn on Aug 28, 2010 1:28 PM PDT reply actions  

To replace a known veteran on the defensive line a younger guy has to prove himself to the coaching staff. It’s hard finding defensive linemen so a coaching staff isn’t going to gamble cutting a guy for a potential “could”, have to believe the younger player is just as good.

by bignerd on Aug 28, 2010 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

politics still involved

Even though Robinson and Norris shouldn’t make this roster, they will because Gore loves Moran and nobody can tell a returner not to leave the endzone better than Michael Robinson.

by wtlichens on Aug 29, 2010 8:28 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

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