What player on/off the 2010 49ers 53-man roster would surprise you?
Every year it seems like there is at least one or two surprising players that are included on or excluded from the 49ers 53-man roster. We ran a post last year discussing this very issue and I thought it would be fun to discuss it again this year with training camp officially underway.
As I mentioned last year, certain players develop a cult-like following and fans buy into that particular player for reasons that go beyond the skills he brings to the table. Past players like this have included Jay Moore (my guy), Thomas Clayton, and the perpetual inclusion of Dominique Zeigler.
In looking at the roster this year, there is a considerably greater amount of depth across the board, which means some favorites won't be sticking around. Given the depth, I wonder how many truly big surprises there could be. Is there anybody that has officially grabbed the reins as a guy that people really would be surprised to see not make the final cut?
As always, we're not talking about guys like Alex Smith, Michael Crabtree, Frank Gore, Justin Smith, etc. This is a question of players that truly are closer to the bubble, but might seem far enough off one way or the other to create a legitimate level of surprise.
While many might disagree, Brit Miller would seem to be such a guy. Given Moran Norris' advancing age and struggles in recent seasons, I'd imagine a lot of folks would be surprised and even a bit annoyed if he didn't make the roster. Do many folks even consider him on the bubble at this point? I personally think he is, but I'm sure there are some folks that feel otherwise.
However, we've beaten the Brit Miller discussion to death. Let's try and explore the studio space a bit, and get more creative. So, let's move past guys like Miller and Zeigler, and focus in on some other folks. Given all the battles on the offensive line, would seeing Adam Snyder get cut surprise anybody? I don't think he's going anywhere because, while he has struggled at times, he does bring some solid G/T versatility. Accordingly, consider him a guy I would be mildly surprised to see cut.
If we look at the safety position, reports have Taylor Mays moving from third string to second string after a day of practice, so he's clearly making up ground. If he were to excel at a particularly high level, could Michael Lewis become a roster victim? He'd quality as a surprise cut, but I can't say I'd be 100% surprised. I think the team needs his veteran presence, and I don't see Mays surpassing him this training camp. But, crazier things have happened.
So what players qualify in these categories for you?
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The backup guard/center battle has implications
Wallace is probably gone and no surprise there. But how about the implications of overlapping skill sets on Wragge, Baas, and Snyder? Wragge is signed to an extension, healthy, durable, versatile, seemingly satisfied in a backup role, and cheap. How many of these adjectives apply to Baas? Versatile seems to be the only one. I think Baas may be a surprise cut.
On the defensive side we may have one linebacker to many—-is that bad news for Matt Wilhelm?
My predictions ...
Making the 53-man roster:
1. Miller beats out Norris.
2. Boone makes it as a OL back-up, along with both Baas and Snyder.
3. Ziegler finally makes the 53, at the expense of Jones.
4. Due to Michael Lewis’ fragile situation, both Reggie Smith AND Curtis Taylor make it.
5. Would like to see Vann make it, but a very low probability.
Gone (not all surprises):
1. Moran Norris.
2. Both Tony Wragge and Cody Wallace.
3. D. Evans.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Aug 3, 2010 7:49 AM PDT reply actions
Your predictions...
1. Miller will NOT beat out Norris. Simple as that. I don’t get why everyone likes him.
2. Baas, Snyder make it. I’m less sure about Boone, he’ll atleast make the ps.
3. God i hope so. Zeigler is an amzing route runner, great hands, and he’s tall.
4. Yes that’s obvious they both make it. While Smith is the better player, Taylor is a good special teamer. Plus it doesn’t hurt incase Goldson walks next year.
5. I really see no way he makes it. 1000-1 odds.
1.Nope no way.
2. Wallace for sure, the final o-line spot is between Boone and Wragge.
3. Agree.
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Kory Sheets was never given a chance!
I’m going with Brit Miller. I’m sure he’ll be this year’s cult hero.
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Brit Miller should make it.
He has the ability to catch the ball, is way more athletic than Morris and has lit up a few guys at training camp, so he can block as well.
I want Zeigler to make it…all he does is make plays but never gets the opportunity to do it in a game. I would take him over Jones, but with all the WR’s on the roster it will be difficult for him to make the roster…..go Zeig!
Khalif Mitchell
If he made it, I’d be surprised, but he’s the unknown quantity at this point, in color of money speak, so we’ll see. I’d be kind of surprised if LaBoy got cut, even though that’s a clear possibility.
On the offensive side, I’d be certifiably shocked if Brandon Jones made it. But as much as people seem to feel otherwise, I think WR is sufficiently wide open after Ginn, possibly even after Morgan, it could happen. Relatedly, it would shock me if Ginn got cut, which I hope the team considers given the promise of some of these other guys. Wasn’t a fan of the Ginn trade- was a fan of the guy we could’ve got with that pick, Cam Thomas. But RJF is looking good so far so fingers crossed.
What else- I’d be surprised if Wragge or Wallace made it, if only because that would mean that either Boone goes, who hasn’t proven himself to be a never-will-be as those guys have, or Sims goes, who has already performed at a decent level at the hardest position on the offensive line. Meanwhile, with the Iupati/Baas situation, the team doesn’t need the insurance in the interior line anymore.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Miller made it at all. I have pretty high confidence he will. The question is whether he gets time fullback, and whether Norris gets cut.
I was not high on Cam Thomas at all
I believe there is a reason why he fell in the draft when so many thought he would go in the second round, especially with all the teams switching to a 3-4 and needing a NT.
However, I am with you on the Ginn trade. Sure, he can make a good KR, but he’s not a good PR and not a WR. But I hope he can develop as a WR and become a deep threat for the 49ers. But it is only a small amount of hope that will happen. If someone like Kyle Williams shows more in KR, PR, and WR than Ginn, I do not see much reason to keep Ginn around. I guess just to make sure we did not waste that fifth rounder for nothing, but that is about it.
by ZeroOneInfinity on Aug 3, 2010 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions
And speaking of Miller...
I needed some towels after reading this:
News flash: FB Brit Miller is not perfect. The new face of the franchise dropped David Carr’s pass in the right flat during team period in the second half. Well, at least that allows the rest of the league to catch up a little.
After delivering the biggest hit of the morning session, Miller stood out during the nutcracker drill that began the p.m. practice (and delighted the several-thousand ticket holders in attendance) by getting both Keaton Kristick and NaVorro Bowman on the ground. And after duping the defense into thinking he was just a blocker, Miller sneaked behind Scott McKillop in 7-on-7 and caught Alex Smith’s long pass in stride.
The castoff from Illinois is definitely making his mark in the early part of camp.
Anthony Dixon
I believe the kid can be our future. Call me crazy, (and yes, i might be), but I think he will take Coffee’s spot.
Plus, Im drinking the Taylor Mays Kool-Aid…Hey, Ronnie Lott started his rookie year if im not mistaken, and didn’t we make it to the Super Bowl that year? Just saying.
by Iupati_like_its_1999 on Aug 3, 2010 9:12 AM PDT reply actions
In Lott's rookie season ...
The defensive backfield consisted of THREE rookies (LCB Ronnie Lott, RCB Eric Wright, and SS Carlton Williamson) and a 2-year vet at FS, Dwight Hicks. The difference is that these guys were drafted respectively in rounds 1, 2 and 3 because their was NO existing competition … they were it by default. Fortunately they were all very talented and managed to survive and thrive.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Aug 3, 2010 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
ronnie lott was better than taylor mays.
hope i’m not bursting your bubble here.
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Taylor Mays
The way hes progressing I can see him making the starting lineup. Curtis Taylor nothing but good things coming out of OTA’s and camp.
Roster
1. I’d be a bit surprised and a little annoyed if Brit Miller DID make the roster.
2. I’m hoping that Zeigler makes the team, and i think he will.
3. Lewis will NOT be cut, Mays is not ready yet.
4. Snyder is a lock for the team, unless he has a horrible camp.
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wondering...
what is your thinking behind not wanting to have Brit make the roster?
by Iupati_like_its_1999 on Aug 3, 2010 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Good Question.
Brit Miller seems to have a Justin Smith/Patric Willis type motor. Like the energizer bunny, they just keep going.
You wondering
Because Norris is the best option right now. Miller might be ready in a year or two. But i’d rather have us sign that fb that went undrafted in the supplemental draft. his name is vanness emokpae, probably spelled it wrong but i want him on the team.
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Norris is the best option?
He didn’t have an especially great last year with his blocking, which is horrendous, because that’s really all he has to offer. If Norris is the best option, I’d say cut him anyway and go to a 1 back set. What I’d hope to see in a FB looks a lot more like Tom Rathman did, or the pre blown-out knee William Floyd.
I really could acre less about Miller
and Boone.
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i dont know if there's room for zeigler.
he wouldnt contribute on special teams and the 49ers don’t exactly need more than 5 receivers for their offense. that means he would have to beat out 2 of the following:
Crabtree, Morgan, Ginn, Hill, Williams, Jones.
When life gives you fruit, add a bunch of sugar to it.
The 9ers may carry 6 WR because two of them could moonlight as KR/PR.
Ziggie has a following, hands and a great attitude but @ 185LB, he’ll never be Fysical, however, if Jones gets injured again before the season starts, he’s cut and Ziggie survives!
by DeathValleyCarl on Aug 3, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
even if they have room for 6 WRs,
the 49ers offense does not need more than 5. they barely throw to the number 3 and 4 guys, let alone need a 6th.
it would be smarter to spend that extra spot on a player who would contribute on special teams, like keeping scott mckillop even if wilhelm and bowman are your primary backups at ILB.
When life gives you fruit, add a bunch of sugar to it.
Zeigler contributes more on special teams than all the other receivers except for Ginn returning.
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To expand on that..
..when he does go for tackles, they’re sure tackles.
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really?
i have heard nothing about zeigler being good on special teams, so i just assumed a guy that thin wouldn’t be used like that.
i have heard that jason hill is good on special teams and ginn/williams can both be returners, but ive never heard of dominique zeigler being a serious contributor on special teams.
When life gives you fruit, add a bunch of sugar to it.
WR
1.Crabtree
2.Morgan
3.Ginn
4.Hill
5.Williams
6.Zeigler
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I would support any
scenario that removed Baas from the roster. Maybe we could trade him for a sixth round draft pick.
how about this o-line:
starters left-to-right: staley, iupati, heitmann, rachal, davis
backups: snyder (g/t), wragge(g/c), boone(ot)
and baas is traded to the raiders for their next 12 first rounders and a 6th rounder in 2016.
When life gives you fruit, add a bunch of sugar to it.
That be dumb
he can play g/c so he automatically makes team
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So does Wragge
Play guard and center, and apparently Snyder is being groomed to do so.
by seafood lover on Aug 3, 2010 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions
You're probably right
He won’t get cut/traded but I wouldn’t be upset. I don’t think he’s consistent enough and he screws up at the wrong times.
the roster
I think Baas and Hill play out their contracts and then they’re got next year. I believe both sims and boone make roster as well. Zeigler doubful, but I too would like to see him make it. I think Jones is going to make it, I don’t know seems like the coaching staff still likes him and they haven’t given up on him yet.
by bmcrae83@yahoo.com on Aug 3, 2010 6:45 PM PDT reply actions
Ziegler/Boone/Miller
I really really really hope that if it’s between zeigler, boone, and miller, zeigler makes it.
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Noted, moving on
You should know Miller’s already on the team for his considerable special teams contribution. The only question that remains is when he takes over first team fullback duties, and whether he can do so quickly enough so we can cut the dead-weight-zero-value-added Norris in time to keep a prospect with upside like Zeigler and Byham. Without Norris’ spot, we can’t keep both of those guys unless we cut either Sims or Boone which, IMO, the team will be loathe to do given that good tackles are hard to find… and valuable (notwithstanding we don’t need both given Synder’s status as starter). If on the other hand Boone’s considerable raw talent and newfound fitness/direction somehow don’t translate into better play with pads on in camp, then he gets cut anyway and we can keep the geriatric drift wood better known as Norris without sacrificing players with actual potential to help the team win games.
I wouldn’t go long the proposition though. My suspicion is rather that we end up with Boone, Byham and the lamp post on the final 53 with 5 receivers instead of the luxury 6. Williams is most likely to be our PR with Vann getting stashed on the PS, but in any case provides insurance in that role not to mention tremendous upside potential in the slot. That leaves Hill, Ginn, Jones and Ziegler, with the latter two out in the cold when this is all said and done- given the righteous offseason Hill has had and the front office’s eggy face if Ginn gets cut- as much as I wish it were his lamp post-ness instead of Ziegler.
You're pretty spot on ...
… not only was it encouraging to hear what Jimmy Raye said about Miller , it juz make’s since like you said … open’s up another spot , beside’s with Norris in there they’re way to predictable …!!
Gotta love a woman that wear's knee pad's to work ...!!
ZEIGLER ZEIGLER ZEIGLER
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You don't have a good track record
If you really cared about him you’d shift your man-crush to someone else to give Zeigler some chance of making the roster.

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