49ers Training Camp Open Thread: Taylor Mays elevation to second team
by David Fucillo on Aug 3, 2010 12:43 PM PDT
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PrintWe haven't had our usual open threads for training camp thus far. So, I'm thinking each day I'll get one up at some point during the day for discussion of training camp posts, tweets, etc. I'll usually include one initial topic of discussion, but consider the thread open for all training camp discussion.
On Sunday, when the team got going in practice, Mike Sando tweeted the following:
Reports from 49ers camp say Taylor Mays has moved up to second team, at least for now. That's where he needs to be as second-round pick. 7:24 PM Aug 1st via web
So is there really anything to take from this? He's leapt Curtis Taylor on the depth chart, which is certainly great and all, but given that Taylor was a 7th round pick can we take much from it at this point? Taylor is a talented football player, but when you take a guy like Mays to be one of your safeties of the future, you expect jumps like this.
Will we just need to wait until the preseason games get going before we can make any judgment calls?
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this was yesterday, I think Maiocco had it first as practice opened
"They can’t stop us. Throw in our other weapons, and it’s over. What are they gonna do? There ain’t nothing they can do. It’s over." - Vernon Davis
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Sando...
Sando’s tweet was from 2 days ago.
by David Fucillo on Aug 3, 2010 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah, that's what I meant about MM's too
Aug 1st, 5:29PM…I keep thinking yesterday was first day of camp because of the non-padded practice Sing added on Sunday, which is apparently when this Mays 2nd team stuff came out
"They can’t stop us. Throw in our other weapons, and it’s over. What are they gonna do? There ain’t nothing they can do. It’s over." - Vernon Davis
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but my thoughts:
it’s not a big deal, except that it shows that Mays is capable of at least being some sort of backup at this point. I think the positions at Safety go like this:
Goldson
Lewis
everyone else in no particular order…yet
Sing said that they’re getting T.Mays and the rooks reps and seeing how they react to it. See if they are ready, or not. He always says, “His play will tell us where he is…will dictate that”
"They can’t stop us. Throw in our other weapons, and it’s over. What are they gonna do? There ain’t nothing they can do. It’s over." - Vernon Davis
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Anthony Davis
seems to have the physique and basic skills for leverage as evidenced by his nutcracker performances. His pass blocking, athleticism in space, that is what needs work.
"They can’t stop us. Throw in our other weapons, and it’s over. What are they gonna do? There ain’t nothing they can do. It’s over." - Vernon Davis
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Think'n this is tre's open thread ... Ha ! J\k...!!
Gotta love a woman that wear's knee pad's to work ...!!
it's all or nothin with me man
I’m either all out or I’m gone
"They can’t stop us. Throw in our other weapons, and it’s over. What are they gonna do? There ain’t nothing they can do. It’s over." - Vernon Davis
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Maiocco has just reported from today's camp...
…that Davis was beat resoundedly this morning both in the nutcracker against second year man Mitchell, which is a test of pure power/leverage, and in pass protection against the speed rush of Brooks and Briggs. The 20 year old’s lack of success at this stage isn’t going to surprise people who discount his lack of polish and physical fitness this early on, but it isn’t encouraging either.
One problem I had with the pick was watching film of Davis in pass protection he just didn’t appear nimble getting out on the corner for pass protection at all. He’ll really need to upgrade here before the team can think of starting him, even if he is blowing people off the ball on running plays, which he’s clearly capable of (or will be as he gets fit and absorbs his coaching).
he held his ground in the nutcracker twice before Mitchell got the better of him the 3rd time
"They can’t stop us. Throw in our other weapons, and it’s over. What are they gonna do? There ain’t nothing they can do. It’s over." - Vernon Davis
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and yes
his pass pro is what needs the most work. Same can be said for any offensive rookie, see: Sheets, Kory
"They can’t stop us. Throw in our other weapons, and it’s over. What are they gonna do? There ain’t nothing they can do. It’s over." - Vernon Davis
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Not quite my point
The worry is aptitude, not current state of affairs. For example, I very much doubt Charles Brown will have aptitude issues for handling speed a pass rush in the NFL. Though undoubtedly he’ll have much to learn before he can effectively, this is a man who clearly possesses the ability to move very fast to lengthen angles for edge rushers. More of a concern for him will be the strength of his base and his explosiveness and power in pushing people around on the run game.
Davis on the other hand showed considerable weakness at lateral movement in his collegiate career, which until he demonstrates was an artifact of his youth or poor-but-fixable-technique or poor conditioning or inferior competition or whatever, has to be a worry that it’s a reflection of a weakness in his talent. If that aspect of the game is going to be a problem for him throughout his career, the earliest indications would be his being routinely and soundly beaten in the pass rush by guys like Brooks . IMO.
Waaaay to early to speculate about all and sundry of course- just showing my nerves.
There must have been a reason why the 49ers
not only drafted Davis, but moved up to the 11th spot for him. So there must be something they saw in this kid. I have a lot of respect for Solari and would think that Solari had a say in what he thought of the rookie linemen before they drafted them. But like you said, it’s too early to speculate and want to give any rookie a fair chance before they are written off.
by ZeroOneInfinity on Aug 3, 2010 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I was just responding to your statement about the nutcracker
since you said it was a test of pure power/leverage…because he has fared pretty OK at worst in that drill, which is encouraging for his run blocking. They will whip him into shape. Really they should put Justin Smith against him as much as possible. He’s the best down rusher we have on a consistent basis…strong AND has a high motor. Brooks and the OLB’s of course too but Smith is simply a BIG problem on every snap…good intense repetitive practice for A.Davis.
"They can’t stop us. Throw in our other weapons, and it’s over. What are they gonna do? There ain’t nothing they can do. It’s over." - Vernon Davis
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My bad
Yea, saw that about the nutcracker after posting. The way Maiocco wrote it sounded like there were a few ‘draws’ and the clear instance of getting beat which made it sound like a bad performance. Lost in that framing is that a draw is effectively a win for the offensive player, if not a Britt Miller pancake punctuated win.
lol
I love the FB’s play this camp thus far. Miller is showing his intensity, now if he is playing smart and under control too…I really want him in the game as the starting FB. I’m also pulling for Caulcrick because the kid has heart and is a nimble runner, former TB, good pass receiver, etc.
"They can’t stop us. Throw in our other weapons, and it’s over. What are they gonna do? There ain’t nothing they can do. It’s over." - Vernon Davis
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one thing I hate
is hearing accounts of a long pass play that is follwed by “beat Brown on the play” or “got behind Mays on the play”. I want to hear “made a great catch with Spencer draped all over him” or “was lucky to hold onto the ball as he was hit by Mays just as he caught the ball”.
Getting beat…I hate that, as a long time Niners fan…it’s plagued us.
"They can’t stop us. Throw in our other weapons, and it’s over. What are they gonna do? There ain’t nothing they can do. It’s over." - Vernon Davis
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I get sick of that and...
When you hear that the play actually came to happen after what would have been a sack during regular gameplay. Almost seems like its not worth mentioning at akk, since it’s a broken/finished play.
-Brett Gleason
-Daily Evergreen Staff Sports Writer
by Brett the 49er on Aug 3, 2010 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
at all*
-Brett Gleason
-Daily Evergreen Staff Sports Writer
by Brett the 49er on Aug 3, 2010 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I take the sacks with a grain of salt
Everyone says offenses are behind when camp starts. That included OLines. They’re probably giving up some easy sacks at this point.
by Kaizre on Aug 3, 2010 1:42 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
offenses have more adjustments and things to think about
than the defense. The defense reads and reacts mid-play. Offense has to worry about so much pre-snap then also read/react in play while trying to dictate the play to the defense…plus our Defense has more veterans and knows the offense pretty well at this point.
"They can’t stop us. Throw in our other weapons, and it’s over. What are they gonna do? There ain’t nothing they can do. It’s over." - Vernon Davis
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You would hope the coaching staff is trying to fix that, right?
I can just hear MIke Singletary saying “unacceptable” every time he sees that happen. It better get fixed.
by ZeroOneInfinity on Aug 3, 2010 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
safeties getting beat
in zone coverage, I hate. Like Manusky said to Taylor yesterday (I think it was yesterday):
“stay the hell back there Curtis!”
Give up a 15 yard pass to stay with the deep route…please!
"They can’t stop us. Throw in our other weapons, and it’s over. What are they gonna do? There ain’t nothing they can do. It’s over." - Vernon Davis
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That Dog-Human hybrid add to the right is freaking me out.
"Dodger fans aren’t happy when foul balls get into their section, because it interferes with their playing with the beachball"- Mike Krukow
Did you see it?
It was for some type of online quiz. The picture was creepy.
"Dodger fans aren’t happy when foul balls get into their section, because it interferes with their playing with the beachball"- Mike Krukow
How long will it be until Mays is starting in place of Lewis? Week 3?
"Dodger fans aren’t happy when foul balls get into their section, because it interferes with their playing with the beachball"- Mike Krukow
I'm leaning towards Smith being the first replacement in case of injury
He has 2 years under his belt and has been getting 2nd team reps consistently. But then we could see him underperform and Mays getting his shot after a few games.
"They can’t stop us. Throw in our other weapons, and it’s over. What are they gonna do? There ain’t nothing they can do. It’s over." - Vernon Davis
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From Barrows twitter a few hours ago
Deep Ball — Smith hits first long pass to Ginn in team drills. Beats T Brown and Taylor Mays.
Gimme 1 round!
and a few minutes later
Smith and Ginn hook up again for td, this one in front of Will James. Caveat: smith may have been sacked on each play
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 3, 2010 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I HATE that.
Quit speculating, Barrows. What a buzz kill.
by mr. instigator on Aug 3, 2010 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Honestly, you can speculate a sack on almost any deep pass. That’s the trick, cannot complete a deep pass without a good job blocking on the play or the QB taking the right two steps to avoid the initial pass rusher.
Yup
That’s why Alex’s YPC has always sucked. Hard to throw deep routes when it’s 5 step drop then about 1 second to get rid of the ball.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 3, 2010 4:40 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Alex has become very adept at avoiding the rush
Imagine if he gets 2-3 full seconds before having to make the first guy miss. And if u doubt he’s good at avoiding the rush compare Hill’s sack numbers with a healthy line to Alex’s with a patchwork line.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 3, 2010 4:43 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
how many
YEARS has it been that we have had problems with the offensive line.???? Feels like ever since the year Mariucci left, but it might have been even before that!
by Iupati_like_its_1999 on Aug 3, 2010 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions
That's what I mean
It’s TC. The situation doesn’t lend itself to giving Alex much time to throw, I care more about the accuracy of the throw and the precision of the route at this point. Line play takes time to gel.
by mr. instigator on Aug 3, 2010 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Taylor Mays
Everytime I hear his name, something good is being said about his coverage skills. Yeah, he ain’t no Deon, but he doesn’t suck either. I was reading an article about his coverage skills yesturday. The coaches all said that the negative hype surrounding his ability to cover are graetly undermining. He is consistently breaking up passes and sometimes picking it off. I think that his promotion is greatly deserved and he will continue to amaze people.
yeah
he didn’t show that he could cover in college…he didn’t show he couldn’t…he just didn’t cover. He was a deep rover.
"They can’t stop us. Throw in our other weapons, and it’s over. What are they gonna do? There ain’t nothing they can do. It’s over." - Vernon Davis
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Just saw a tweet from Maiocco and Sam Lam
Rachal collapsed about twenty minutes ago.
12 days to go!
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He was able to sit up but was taken off the field in a cart
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Dehydration
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Aug 3, 2010 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions
read heat exhaustion
Lucky he’s one of the big boys. They go down faster from being dehydrated and just drop at heat exhaustion. Its the lighter guys that run themselves into heat strokes. Mandatory hydration Sing!
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 3, 2010 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Yup
Drink…waterrrrrr! Like they say in boot camp.
Alaska is a state, dammit! Can I get a Niner game on TV up here?
So?
Why wasn’t he drinking water?
What good could have possibly come from that?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Aug 4, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
None.
Some guys just don’t like to drink water to the point of actually being fully hydrated. You have to hydrate several days in advance to really be at your optimum and have to continually chug the stuff down. When you’re thirsty you’re already heading towards dehydration.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 4, 2010 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
It’s tough to drink enough water to stay properly hydrated, especially when you’re busy. They probably need to drink at least a liter of water a day to keep fully hydrated.
Logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority
Closer to about 2 gallons
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 4, 2010 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe even 3
The human body can sweat out .5 gallons of water every hour in hot conditions while engaged in vigorous work.
Probably sweating a gallon – 1.5 gallons a day. Need to take in significantly more than that to stay fully hydrated.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 4, 2010 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions
In the Ga heat
when we were training during the middle of summer we’d probably put away 3+ gallons a day… I think on the hottest days I might have gotten close to 5
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 4, 2010 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Tweet from Sam:
Rachal was diagnosed with dehydration. Nothing structural. We’ll see if he’s ok for tomorrow.
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rest him tomorrow
more likely to reoccur within the first 48 hours
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 3, 2010 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Good advice. I bet they do just that.
Gulf War training?
"But, what he accomplished last year was great and very few individuals can pull that off..."
---Mike Singletary on Michael Crabtree
Takes 72 hours to rehydrate
and your body’s natural thermostat takes a while to reset after you hit heat exhaustion. When you have a heat stroke it never works quite right again.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 4, 2010 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't think it was heatstroke though
Just dehydration.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Aug 4, 2010 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
There are different levels of heat injuries. (dehydration injuries)
Cramps, heat exhaustion and heat stroke.
You’d know if he had heat stroke cause they would have thrown him in and ambulance and taken him to the ER.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 4, 2010 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah, we have a month
a day aint gonna hurt.
interesting that Wragge is the backup Guard…then again who else do we have? Patrick? DeLaPuente?
"They can’t stop us. Throw in our other weapons, and it’s over. What are they gonna do? There ain’t nothing they can do. It’s over." - Vernon Davis
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Snyder
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Aug 4, 2010 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Guaranteed
Taylor Mays will start for the 49ers at the earliest in the middle of this season, or the begining of preseason of next year. The kid aka Lott 2.0 will not be held back.
by Iupati_like_its_1999 on Aug 3, 2010 6:59 PM PDT reply actions
Or @ the very , very , very least 2013 ...!! Ha !
Gotta love a woman that wear's knee pad's to work ...!!
I think Mays is getting worked in by October...
If not starting outright.
Something just occurred to me: They should line him up in an OLB spot a couple times, let him get after the quarterback. 4.3 speed, and our pass rush could use a boost…it might be the greatest thing ever.
"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will
oh he will blitz
if he’s in on Nickel plays he’ll probably blitz from backer or safety time to time. Nickel is a good blitz for him because the G and T are both occupied by DL’s so he’s going to draw a TE or RB, whom he’ll blow up hopefully.
"They can’t stop us. Throw in our other weapons, and it’s over. What are they gonna do? There ain’t nothing they can do. It’s over." - Vernon Davis
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Especially a RB
On 3rd down against the nickle package. In many cases it will be a little scat back. Taylor May just blow up the QB right through him.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 4, 2010 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Taylor Mays vs Darren Sproles
I look forward to the Hebrew Hammer nailing Philip Rivers
"Football combines the two worst things about America: It is violence punctuated by committee meetings" -George Will
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