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49ers 53-man roster: Fooch vs Barrows projections

Now that we're through what most consider the most important preseason game of the year, writers are posting their 53-man roster projections with greater and greater frequency. The 49ers cut down to 75 players yesterday and will cut another 22 players on Saturday to meet the NFL's roster limit. At this point we've got a fairly good idea of a vast majority of the roster, but there are still some small areas to be determined.

Matt Barrows put together a 53-man roster projection yesterday. I posted my own two days ago before the 49ers defeated the Raiders. I think Barrows made the best comment in his when he stated "Margin of error +/- 53 players. But really we know it's not quite that difficult. It's more like a margin of error of 4 or 5 players probably: those bubble players.

The differences in our projection are fairly simple. I included OT Alex Boone whereas he did not. That put me at ten offensive linemen to his nine. He made up for that with Demetric Evans as a seventh defensive lineman, while I stuck with six.

Beyond that, we had the exact same projections, whether you're talking about the inclusion of Nate Byham, the exclusion of Curtis Taylor, or rolling out nine linebackers. As I said, the differences are fairly negligible when talking about these rosters. The bubble has narrowed considerably over the past week.

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Barrows did appear open to the idea of adding Boone and removing one of the defensive linemen. Alex Boone would appear to be firmly entrenched on the bubble and maybe not even leaning even remotely one way or the other. Alex Boone has worked himself into much better shape and really stepped up his game, but is it enough to convince the team to go with a rare tenth lineman?

One area we agreed on was the team keeping Diyral Briggs and Travis LaBoy to give the team nine linebackers, five of them on the outside. While Briggs and LaBoy are both immensely talented, something about the situation continues to gnaw at me. Five outside linebackers just seems like a large number even with the need to keep a set number of players inactive. Assuming Brooks is healthier sooner rather than later, you've got the initial three-man rotation of Brooks, Lawson and Haralson. That is of course also assuming Lawson and Haralson haven't poached most of the starting playing time.

At the same time, LaBoy has shown he still has a very clear nose for quarterbacks and Briggs has shown an all around game at the OLB position that would be invaluable, particularly if Lawson walks after this season. Maybe that's one more reason the team tries to slide Alex Boone through waivers.

Both of these positional units raise injury concerns that might be enough to force additional players to be held on the 53-man roster. The offensive line has seen Heitmann go down and certainly can't be encouraged seeing Joe Staley get banged up on Saturday. It doesn't appear to have been a serious injury, but his absence the second half of last season can't be far from the front office's mind. As for the OLBs, we still don't know for sure if Brooks will be ready week 1. If he's not it makes all the more sense to keep both Briggs and LaBoy.

It remains to be seen how much we'll get out of Thursday's game as far as the 53-man roster is concerned. Personally, if I were the 49ers, I'd sit Staley the entire game and give Alex Boone the most playing time on the offensive line. We know what Sims can do. Unless the team already has decided to keep Boone on the 53-man roster, Thursday will be his last chance to give them a reason to keep him around.

At the end of the day all of the roster question marks are dealing with reserves. While depth is important in the NFL, it is certainly encouraging that positional security has been handled fairly well among the starters. Aside from the sheer joy of not having a QB controversy at this point, it's nice the first string is more or less figured out. Now let's pray for no injuries.

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first!

now i can go back and actually read the post…

When life gives you fruit, add a bunch of sugar to it.

by these3words on Aug 30, 2010 7:16 AM PDT reply actions  

I thought that started on perezhilton

by LADubbz45 on Aug 30, 2010 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

wow

I disappear for the summer and the place has gone to the dogs.

If you don't like Brandon Medders you're not a true fan.

by wjackalope on Aug 30, 2010 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

speaking of disappearing for the summer...

whatever happened to Josh Branco? he is listed as a front-page writer, yet his profile page says he hasn’t even logged in since July.

When life gives you fruit, add a bunch of sugar to it.

by these3words on Aug 30, 2010 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

don't ask again

unless you want people to start asking “What ever happened to that ‘these3words’ guy?”

ya dig?

Alex Boone WON'T survive on the PS...in fact, he wont even clear waivers.
Let's talk on Twitter

by Tre9er on Aug 30, 2010 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

wait a second:

are you telling me that there’s a conspira—

hang on, some people with a lead pipe want to show me something in the alley.

When life gives you fruit, add a bunch of sugar to it.

by these3words on Aug 31, 2010 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

the blank thread.

it called to me.

When life gives you fruit, add a bunch of sugar to it.

by these3words on Aug 30, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Can we put the First! stuff to rest?...

Take your time. Read the post. Breathe. Think. Then, maybe offer something of substance to the discussion.

by FiveAlarmFreddy on Aug 30, 2010 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

...

The same guy that calls shotgun before you decided if you were going anywhere.

by Pat Willie on Aug 30, 2010 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

hmmmm

That’s a bit more of a tough call. After all, shot gun is a key battle.

by David Fucillo on Aug 30, 2010 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

I head Smith likes the shotgun position

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by Widowwolf on Aug 30, 2010 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

dammit to early on a monday morning—heard

Founder of team Omté Caspeen

by Widowwolf on Aug 30, 2010 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'd rather keep Boone and not Evans

but that’s just me. Evans is solid but he’s not the future and Mitchell hasn’t played poorly to say the least.

Alex Boone WON'T survive on the PS...in fact, he wont even clear waivers.
Let's talk on Twitter

by Tre9er on Aug 30, 2010 7:21 AM PDT reply actions  

True, but, even though we run a 3-4, isn’t Dline depth a concern?

by zacksf on Aug 30, 2010 7:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

yeah

I wish we could keep 8 DL’s, including Tukuafu…but it aint gonna happen

Alex Boone WON'T survive on the PS...in fact, he wont even clear waivers.
Let's talk on Twitter

by Tre9er on Aug 30, 2010 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Eight defensive linemen

would make that a higher percentage of backups than just about any other position on the field. We only have three starting defensive linemen, so really we can get by with a total of 6 on the roster.

Logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority

by smileyman on Aug 30, 2010 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

What about Tuk instead of Evans?

Or is the concept he can go on PS and Evans can’t? I like Tre am not a big Evans fan.

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Aug 30, 2010 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes to both

I think Tuk makes it to the PS and I wouldn’t mind having him on the 53 instead of Evans

Logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority

by smileyman on Aug 30, 2010 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

lol this

And I’ve heard Tuks name called way more than Evans so far. He might be playing more scrubs than Evans, but still, Evans hasn’t stood out to me once this entire camp/preseason. I wouldn’t shed a tear for him.

by jonesin25 on Aug 30, 2010 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

here's how i see the OLB situation:

all 5 guys make the team. Briggs will be one of the 8 inactive players for most games. Brooks will be inactive for the first few weeks while he finds a kidney-shaped band-aid. during that time, Travis LaBoy will be counted on as the extra pass rush specialist on third and long. once Ahmad Brooks gets his kidney patched up, he takes over that role and Travis LaBoy sees less action. Bruce Davis finds another team.

When life gives you fruit, add a bunch of sugar to it.

by these3words on Aug 30, 2010 7:41 AM PDT reply actions  

Staley

Agree that he should NOT PLAY Thursday.
Further, though I don’t know the extent of his injury, I would err on the side of caution and consider letting him sit out the Seattle game as well, if there is any possible concern. I think this is the same knee as last year, and it would be a serious issue if he is less than 100% for the 2nd half of the season.

by zacksf on Aug 30, 2010 8:01 AM PDT reply actions  

i don't think it would be a disaster if Staley missed the Seattle game.

i mean, can anyone name a pass-rusher who plays for Seattle?

When life gives you fruit, add a bunch of sugar to it.

by these3words on Aug 30, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Touche.

Alaska is a state, dammit! Can I get a Niner game on TV up here?

by kinglouie33 on Aug 30, 2010 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

naw

he’ll be at home, upset about playing time.

Alex Boone WON'T survive on the PS...in fact, he wont even clear waivers.
Let's talk on Twitter

by Tre9er on Aug 30, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

who?

i thought that was the name of our extra 6th round draft pick next year.

When life gives you fruit, add a bunch of sugar to it.

by these3words on Aug 31, 2010 12:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Curtis Taylor

for Demetric Evans. Taylor has ST value and Evans hasn’t shown much this preseason

by jman1995 on Aug 30, 2010 8:17 AM PDT reply actions  

I vote keep 60

and tell the NFL to go fly a kite!

Alex Boone WON'T survive on the PS...in fact, he wont even clear waivers.
Let's talk on Twitter

by Tre9er on Aug 30, 2010 9:21 AM PDT reply actions  

we need about 56 or 57 right now

IMO

Alex Boone WON'T survive on the PS...in fact, he wont even clear waivers.
Let's talk on Twitter

by Tre9er on Aug 30, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can we cut Andy Lee?

We’re never going to have to punt again!

Coach Boone: And who's team is this, Gary? Is this your team? Or is this your daddy's team?
Bertier: Yours.
Coach Boone: Now get on the bus. Put on your jacket first and then get on the bus.

by Amigo on Aug 30, 2010 9:43 AM PDT reply actions  

What did Iupati eat him? Or did Joe Nedney Boot him in the ocean..I know PWIlly ran into him so hard he just vaporized

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by Widowwolf on Aug 30, 2010 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Boone must stay!

Good tackles are a commodity these days. Boone could be real good. Could…
He has hardly any chance to make it through waivers. Seattle has been hit hard with injuries and already put in a claim for an undrafted tackle that Denver just waived. Detroit got the tackle, and with Scotty checking the wires…Boone never makes it.

With Sims being up there in age. The team could use Boone next year. I rather keep 10 OL or cut Wragge. I read that Snyder can play all 5 OL positions – so couldn’t he be the emergency center until Heitmann is back? If the team loses a guard to injury during the year, we bring up de la Puente from the PS.

by FanBelge on Aug 30, 2010 9:54 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

it's a calculated risk

that I kinda agree with…but Sing likes to play it safe a lot…we’ll see

Alex Boone WON'T survive on the PS...in fact, he wont even clear waivers.
Let's talk on Twitter

by Tre9er on Aug 30, 2010 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Cutting Wragge and having Snyder as the emergency center?

Or letting Boone get picked up off the waiver wire? Cause cutting Boone is not a calculated risk. You’re consigning him to the Seachickens and McC, (who drafted him HOPING that he’d turn his life around), within the first 10 minutes of him being on waivers. McC is watching Sando and Barrows twitters and praying for them to post that Boone has been waived.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 30, 2010 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

OL depth very critical

re-visit the sense of keeping 9 linebackers. Know this is Sing’s favorite son position, but really ask the G-men or many others how it works out to be under-manned without OL depth.

by DrRick009 on Aug 30, 2010 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

agree.

if they waive Boone, they have to be willing to never see him again.

and if that happens, then they just wasted a year getting him to quit drinking, teaching him to play tackle at the NFL level, motivating him to get into shape, etc.

When life gives you fruit, add a bunch of sugar to it.

by these3words on Aug 30, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

If he weren't a tackle, then OK

Decent tackles are a big commodity, and the team has to think about the future. If they try to PS Taylor and they lose him, no great loss – safeties are much easier to come by, even if they lose Goldson and Lewis next year.

by FanBelge on Aug 30, 2010 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also, with Staley's injury. Having two other Tackles on the team who are young and were good LTs in college helps.

Both Davis and Boone were good LTs in College. Boone was projected (from what I read) as a high draft pick. maybe 2nd round before his off field stuff happened.
These two give security for when Staley gets hurt, long term.

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"

by Eastbayjim on Aug 30, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah, i remember when Nate Davis and Alex Boone

were both 2nd round prospects, and i was wondering if there was any way we could draft them both.

…so i told the media that Nate Davis had a learning disability and Alex Boone had a drinking problem, and then…

When life gives you fruit, add a bunch of sugar to it.

by these3words on Aug 31, 2010 1:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Why would we need 7 D linemen?

6 seems like a good number. The 49ers are a team that uses a 3-4 as we all know, so why would you need 7 guys for 3 positions. Frankiln hardly never exits the game on 1st or 2nd downs and then on 3rd downs, or passing downs, they bring in 2 LB’s on the line to rush the QB. I can see why they would keep 5 OLB’s when they use 2 on the line and one with Willis in the backfield when in a nickle situation. That is 4 total LB’s in nickle. Evans is the highest paid per play guy on the team….he never sees any action.

The O-line needs more backups IMO. Heitmann is out for maybe a month, so that takes Baas out of the G picture, he’ll be at Center till Eric gets back. So I see having Boone as more of a priority than Evans at this point.

by ericalancanty on Aug 30, 2010 10:54 AM PDT reply actions  

The team has enough space to keep 9 O-Linemen and 7 D-Linemen.

The two lines are where you need the most depth.

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by Hoopers Judge on Aug 30, 2010 12:47 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Ask George Seifert

He’s the one that invented the concept of having a deep defensive line with different abilities.

Stud – Justin Smith
Run Stoppers – Aubrayo Franklin, Isaac Sopoaga
Pass Rushers – Ray McDonald, Demetric Evans
Backups – Ricky Jean-Francois, Khalif Mitchell

by bignerd on Aug 30, 2010 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

ICE a run stopper?

I think you need to evaluate that guy again. You can’t stop the run while your on your back.

by MikeDv on Aug 30, 2010 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah

Soap = Locker room guy who knows the defense.

Alex Boone WON'T survive on the PS...in fact, he wont even clear waivers.
Let's talk on Twitter

by Tre9er on Aug 30, 2010 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m not running up the flag pole with this one. I indicated his role, as seen by the team, is to be a run stopper. I’m making no disclaimers on his ability to suit the role.

by bignerd on Aug 30, 2010 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

He does a good job with it. He shores up the line and is in there making tackles all the time. He may not be naturally suited for a 3-4 but I don’t really get whey he has got such a bad rap.

by jonesin25 on Aug 30, 2010 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Demetric Evans

A guy that is really hoping the coach staff makes the wrong decision and keeps him on the roster.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 30, 2010 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I already had a solution for keeping Boone

Cut Wragge. He’s not going anywhere and destined for free agency as soon as Heitmann returns. If Baas gets dinged before Heitmann is back you can bring him back. Besides the point is to keep the 53 best players. Is Wragge better than Boone?

by bignerd on Aug 30, 2010 12:52 PM PDT reply actions  

stupid Heitmann and his fragile fibula

ruined it all. Wragge was as good as gone once Baas started snapping the ball. Now we have no one half-decent to snap the ball should something happen to Baas in the first few games.

Alex Boone WON'T survive on the PS...in fact, he wont even clear waivers.
Let's talk on Twitter

by Tre9er on Aug 30, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Have Snyder play center

Its only for a game or two till Heitmann gets back. And its against the Seachickens at their house and New Orleans which we’ll probably lose no matter what that early in the season. I’d rather win all 6 games in our division but at least we’ll have the Seahawks at our place to beat the pants off them later.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 30, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

just a few games though

maybe an OK risk to take.

Alex Boone WON'T survive on the PS...in fact, he wont even clear waivers.
Let's talk on Twitter

by Tre9er on Aug 30, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

true.

6 years from now, when Alex Boone is filling in nicely for the injured Joe Staley or Anthony Davis, it’s going to seem silly that we almost cut Boone to keep Tony Wragge for 3 weeks.

When life gives you fruit, add a bunch of sugar to it.

by these3words on Aug 31, 2010 1:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't call Wragge better than Boone

I’d rather have Boone for sure. In my view both Snyder and Wragge are expendable.

Logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority

by smileyman on Aug 30, 2010 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why 5 OLB

A) Cause Lawson is likely gone next season and need someone in the queue.
B) Brooks and LaBoy are injury prone. Neither will play 16 games.
C) Briggs is good young player and potential future starter. You don’t cut those guys because of a numbers game.

by bignerd on Aug 30, 2010 12:54 PM PDT reply actions  

On C), I think the point of this post is that you’re going to have to cut someone because of the numbers game. It’s just a matter of choosing who’s the 54th most important guy.

by tarlinian on Aug 30, 2010 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cut the future backup instead

by bignerd on Aug 30, 2010 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cut Wilhelm

he wont get signed anywhere. If you need him, call his garage.

Alex Boone WON'T survive on the PS...in fact, he wont even clear waivers.
Let's talk on Twitter

by Tre9er on Aug 30, 2010 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wish we could, although I did trust him more than McKilllop. Three inside linebackers will never happen despite only having three you’d like to keep.

by bignerd on Aug 30, 2010 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah that's my biggest concern

is the lack of depth at ILB

Logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority

by smileyman on Aug 30, 2010 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

wilhelm was plucked off the street last year

if you cut him and resign him at any point his contract is not guaranteed its a week to week deal. if TKO or (nevermind PW cant be injured) were to get hurt in a game i think bowman could handle playing in the game then you sign a wilhelm type that monday for the next week.

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by DreZ on Aug 30, 2010 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cross-train Mays as a LB

in case of injuries.

Alaska is a state, dammit! Can I get a Niner game on TV up here?

by kinglouie33 on Aug 30, 2010 1:47 PM PDT reply actions  

we need to get word

on whether or not he’s played any LB in the nickel thus far since coming to the 49ers. Lewis does it all the time. I gotta think they’d get Mays in there some…

Alex Boone WON'T survive on the PS...in fact, he wont even clear waivers.
Let's talk on Twitter

by Tre9er on Aug 30, 2010 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sign and trade Manny Lawson for draft picks

Cut bait on Nate Davis. Now Briggs, LeBoy and Boone all make the roster

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 30, 2010 2:10 PM PDT reply actions  

Lawson's already signed

we don’t need to sign him again.

I certainly don’t want to extend him just to get draft picks.

Logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority

by smileyman on Aug 30, 2010 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

you don't need to cut Nate Davis to keep Briggs, LaBoy, and Boone.

i have seen several roster projections that kept all 4, and that was with Manny Lawson.

besides, Davis will be inactive as the emergency 3rd QB every game anyway, so whoever you kept in his place would have to be inactive for every game and then you have no emergency 3rd string QB.

When life gives you fruit, add a bunch of sugar to it.

by these3words on Aug 31, 2010 1:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

i would cut

D Evans, Wilhelm, or Wragge before boone for a spot guys like that can be had at any time if baas were to get hurt good ole kevin mawae would be a better fit to me than wragge him being a vet im sure he could do a better job than him anyway

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by DreZ on Aug 30, 2010 8:22 PM PDT reply actions  

yes, but

you can’t sign Kevin Mawae in the middle of the game. i personally think we should cut Wragge and use Adam Snyder as the emergency backup center until Heitmann is back, but the argument for keeping Wragge is so he could finish out the game if Baas went down.

When life gives you fruit, add a bunch of sugar to it.

by these3words on Aug 31, 2010 1:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Cut Evans

Keep Wragge and Boone. Cut Wragge when Heitman is fully healthy and bring Tukuafu up from the PS or add another D-line body then.

by Grumpy Guy on Aug 30, 2010 8:27 PM PDT reply actions  

There is a lot of talk about what 49ers would clear waivers and make it to the practice squad. Can we flip this around and talk about what players are on the bubble with other teams that the 49ers might go after? And if so, who would be the 1 guy cut to make room? I’m not too familiar with other teams, but it might be fun to look at some players that may be available.

by G-$ on Sep 1, 2010 12:47 PM PDT reply actions  

Good idea…I bet that the FO has people keeping their eyes on that. Have to be pretty sure that they’re better than the guys we already have, though.

Alaska is a state, dammit! Can I get a Niner game on TV up here?

by kinglouie33 on Sep 1, 2010 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

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