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Niners Nation Prediction Games: A Call for Help

Hello, you Niners Nation faithful.

Those of you who have been with us for a while already know about our proud, annual Predictions Games contest. For those of you who don't, it's a game that we hold throughout the season. All members of the community can play, and - if we can successfully arrange it - prizes are sometimes even available to the winners. A more full explanation of the game will be visible after the jump, but first: the call for help.

Over the last three years, Fooch and I have been the sole administrators for the games (Fooch, who selects the contests, and me, who scores and reports the results, with the exception of one week, when groug quite nobly held my place). This season, that is not going to be possible. I have more on my plate than ever before, and I just can't see myself reliably performing this function on a week-to-week basis. In short: I need a replacement.

If anybody is willing and able to take my place as the official scorer for the prediction games, it would be a huge boon not only to myself but also to the website at large. I would hate to see something that has been so much fun for each of the last three years die on the vine just because my life got a little busier than it has been to this point (in the immortal words of Blink 182: Well, I guess this is growing up).

After the jump, I'll fully explain the games. Please use the comments to nominate yourself for my position or to ask any questions you have about the process in general.

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We call these the Prediction Games because it's an accurate title. Each week during the course of the season, Fooch will select six NFL games. Your job is to predict the winner and the score of each game. It's really that simple. Predicting the correct winner makes you eligible for points, and predicting the score more accurately than others will get you more points. Points accumulate over the entire season, and the games do not end until the last whistle has blown on week 17. Then, we have traditionally held the games again for the playoffs, with some fun variations - but we can worry about all that later.

Let me repeat the important part:

Each week during the course of the season, Fooch will select six NFL games. Your job is to predict the winner and the score of each game. It's really that simple.

If you don't want to, you don't have to worry about anything else. You can ignore the rest of this e-mail for all that it matters. However, if you want to understand the games in more detail, or if you would like to take my place as the official scorer, I encourage you to read on.

To clarify: To play the game, all you have to do is to predict the winner and the score of the game itself. Everything that follows this point is designed to help explain how we score your predictions.

The primary conceit of this game is that any score is made up of nothing but three simple components: 1) Winner/Loser, 2) Point Differential, and 3) Total Points.

To illustrate, let's say that the 49ers are playing the Broncos. Given only three components, you can determine the exact score, with no possible variations. 1) The 49ers win. 2) Point Differential = 45. 3) Total Points = 65. There is only a single possible score that these three things can add up to: 49ers 55, Broncos 10.

Knowing this, we can use these three components to accurately determine how close any given score prediction for any given actual game score is in relation to any other given score prediction for that same actual game.

It works like this: Your prediction has these same three components as the actual game score. All we have to calculate is the difference between each.

1) If you predict the correct winner for an individual game, we will score your prediction against the actual game. If you predict the incorrect winner for an individual game, your prediction will not be scored.

2) Ideally, you will predict the exact point differential of the actual game. Say, for example, this is 45. If you predict a score with a PD of 45, the difference between your predicted PD and the actual PD is 0 (45 - 45 = 0). The worse your prediction, the greater that difference becomes. Therefore, the closer the difference is to zero, the better.

3) Ideally, you will predict the exact point total of the actual game. Say, for example, this is 65. If you predict a score with a PT of 65, the difference between your predicted PT and the actual PT is 0 (65 - 65 = 0). The worse your prediction, the greater that difference becomes. Therefore, the closer the difference is to zero, the better.

So, assuming that you predict the correct winner of the individual game, we simply add the difference between your predicted and the actual PD to the difference between your predicted and the actual PT. The closer this total is to zero, the better your prediction is. A zero exactly will always be a perfect prediction.

That total becomes your subscore for each individual game. These subscores are then ranked, and the five best (including ALL ties) are awarded points. Perfect predictions are awarded 10 points. If the highest subscore for a particular game is not a perfect prediction, it is awarded 5 points. Points then follow in descending order, so that all of the second best predictions get 4 points, the third best all get 3 points, and so on.

These points are then accumulated by each individual player for each individual game, as selected by Fooch, over the course of the entire season. The player with the highest total at the end of the year wins. Easy.

Now, to the point of doing the scoring. I have been doing the scoring, and it usually takes me in the one to two hour range to put an entire results thread together. Scoring is easy; transcribing (or even copy/pasting) is time consuming. All scoring and ranking can be done simply using an Excel (or comparable) spreadsheet, which is awesome. If you take my place, Fooch and I have the spreadsheet that I have been using (he has it in Excel, though I, sadly, no longer do) and can give it to you. Alternately, you can create your own that best suits your own process. The equation that you have to program in to get the subscores is easy:

pPD = Predicted Point Differential
aPD = Actual Point Differential
pPT = Predicted Point Total
aPT = Actual Point Total
x = Subscore

|pPD - aPD| + |pPT - aPT| = x

Then, once that is settled, just use a table order function to order the rankings by x.

That's all.

I think this is the end of the FanPost. Nominations and questions in the comments section, please.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors.

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Wouldn’t it be easier just to say the score? Then you can just cut out steps 2 and 3.

by mikeinsp on Aug 30, 2010 1:51 PM PDT reply actions  

I don’t understand the question.

"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff

by howtheyscored on Aug 30, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think I get it

your explanation makes it sound like we make the predictions like this:

1) Niners will win
2) PD will be 45
3) total points will be 65.

that’s not how it works – to make your prediction you do in fact say what the final score and winner will be. exact rules for formatting and such will come in a later post.

If you don't like Brandon Medders you're not a true fan.

by wjackalope on Aug 30, 2010 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

also

what Howie’s calling the Subscore I always referred to as the Raw Score. Either way – as long as we all know what we’re talking about.

If you don't like Brandon Medders you're not a true fan.

by wjackalope on Aug 30, 2010 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Okay thanks.

I wasn’t on here last year so i didn’t know how this works.

by mikeinsp on Aug 30, 2010 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry for the confusion. I get it now.

To help out, I added this clarification in the post above:

To clarify: To play the game, all you have to do is to predict the winner and the score of the game itself. Everything that follows this point is designed to help explain how we score your predictions.

"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff

by howtheyscored on Aug 30, 2010 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, I get it. Yeah, all the players have to do is predict the winner and the score itself. The breakdown I showed above is to demonstrate only how we score predictions.

"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff

by howtheyscored on Aug 30, 2010 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’ll shoot you an e-mail.

"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff

by howtheyscored on Aug 30, 2010 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Noooo!

Don’t let bignerd do it! He’ll short change me points just to keep me from the playoffs.

Don't trust this guy. He lies.

by urnext on Aug 30, 2010 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Whatever

I only care about myself making the playoffs.

by bignerd on Aug 30, 2010 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

lazy ass

(can I say that?)

If you don't like Brandon Medders you're not a true fan.

by wjackalope on Aug 30, 2010 3:22 PM PDT reply actions  

I kid

of course. Howie, you’ve done an exemplary job running this show for the last few seasons, and I hate to say it, but I had a feeling the day would come when it might be too much for you to handle. (how are you by the way? been a while since we’ve trash talked)

I hope someone, perhaps bignerd, can handle the duties, as this game has become more important to me than most things in life. And without the thought that I might be able to destroy you (and NFATP) in the game this fall, I might not make it.

Whatever happens, I hope you’ll still be able to provide commentary on the results – that was always the best part.

If you don't like Brandon Medders you're not a true fan.

by wjackalope on Aug 30, 2010 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m pretty good. I think I’m heading into a very exciting period of my life. Unfortunately (or fortunately), having had a chance to thoroughly review my syllabi, it’s going to be a heck of a busy ride. Somewhere between the readings and the essays and the presentations and the classtime, I have to write a novel.

"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff

by howtheyscored on Aug 30, 2010 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

grad school right?

yeah, a novel. that’s nothing. just you know, write…. a lot.

did you move also?

If you don't like Brandon Medders you're not a true fan.

by wjackalope on Aug 31, 2010 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

I haven’t moved yet, but I will be soon. There is just the matter of some aid money that has to become officially in my pocket, and then I’m getting out of the ol’ grandma’s house.

"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff

by howtheyscored on Aug 31, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

And yeah, grad school. Go Cyclones!

"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff

by howtheyscored on Aug 31, 2010 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Mills?

they have a mascot? who knew?

do you have a spot picked out to move? east bay? I feel like we went over this a while back.

If you don't like Brandon Medders you're not a true fan.

by wjackalope on Aug 31, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, Mills.

I’d love to live around Oakland/Berkeley, but I’m actually probably going to be closer to Vacaville. It’s a compromise spot between Mills and Sac State, and there are some other benefits to being a little closer to Sac right now.

It’ll be a bit a bit of a drive to school, but as long as I stack my schedule to two days a week, it’s really not a bother at all.

"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff

by howtheyscored on Aug 31, 2010 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

are you also doing stuff at Sac State?

other benefits such as way cheaper rent?

If you don't like Brandon Medders you're not a true fan.

by wjackalope on Aug 31, 2010 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

My girlfriend is going to Sac State. Also, my sister lives in Sac and is going to have a baby soon, so it will be really nice to be a little closer to them.

"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff

by howtheyscored on Aug 31, 2010 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

reasonable rationale

enjoy I-80!

If you don't like Brandon Medders you're not a true fan.

by wjackalope on Aug 31, 2010 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

also

obligatory gf isn’t real joke (are you guys gonna be living together?)

If you don't like Brandon Medders you're not a true fan.

by wjackalope on Aug 31, 2010 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

We will be. And it’s about damn time, too.

"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff

by howtheyscored on Aug 31, 2010 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

congrats

and be careful. you know I got burned. (how long have you been together?)

If you don't like Brandon Medders you're not a true fan.

by wjackalope on Aug 31, 2010 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Eight years this November, so that’s what I mean when I say “about damn time.” I sure hope no burning happens, but at this point I think things are more likely to go bad if we don’t start living together than the opposite. It is not. Easy. Going the long road in different houses.

"I just struck out looking three times, but in any other ballpark those would have been home runs." - Aubrey Huff

by howtheyscored on Aug 31, 2010 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

oh wow

8 years.

That’s a lot different from 4 months.

/punches former self in face

If you don't like Brandon Medders you're not a true fan.

by wjackalope on Aug 31, 2010 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hope someone can fill in!

I would but I am also pretty busy and I don’t think I could handle the scoring. I really hope someone can take over, along with fantasy football, the NNPG has become one of my favorite things about the football season. It won’t be quite the same without the always hilarious HTS commentary but we understand that you have a life and sometimes you just can’t be bothered to converse with the peons. Seriously though, good luck on all your life things HTS and someone pleeeeaaaseee do this!

"All during film, I'm calling him Bam-Bam, like from 'The Flintstones,' because he hits everything. He is the truth" - Chad Ochocinco on Patrick Willis

by 49erLou on Aug 30, 2010 9:08 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm Back!

I’m prepared to defend my Championship…and unlike HTS, my new situation has created more time for me. I would rather someone who is around the website more than I to do it, but if no one else bites, I could step in.

However, I’m not sure I could have recaps nearly as exciting as HTS’s were…

The 2009 Niners Nation Prediction Games Super Bowl Champion

by YoungWillis on Sep 2, 2010 8:51 PM PDT reply actions  

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