Michael Lewis Restructuring: Is the end near for him as a 49er?
by James Brady on Aug 31, 2010 9:04 AM PDT
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PrintThanks to Tre9er for pointing this out, especially considering I read directly over this and made nothing of it the first time I went over, but in a recent article from ESPN's Mike Sando, it looks like a restructuring of Michael Lewis' contract took place.
According to Sando, he will be paid $1.7MM this season with another $400K in bonus money. As opposed to playing through 2012, those final two years were taken from his contract altogether and this is his last year (under contract) as a 49er.
Phil Barber just told me on Twitter that it seems pretty official and not at all a mental lapse, which is what I initially assumed (no offense to Mr. Sando, happens to the best of us). So with that, I'm fine with carrying on under the assumption that it's happened, even with the lack of discussion or reporting from other beat writers and the like. Make the jump for discussion on what this means.
Obviously, there were people clamoring for this. We figured that Lewis was overpaid, which is probably the case, and we also figured that the drafting of Taylor Mays, along with the slight emergence of Reggie Smith, made Lewis a little more expendable. I figured he'd be done after this upcoming season anyway, but could this mean that he's gone before then? One could argue that this restructuring is the only reason he's still with the team, which I'm inclined to agree with.
A lapse during a game or a strong game from the rookie Taylor Mays, and is Michael Lewis then someone the 49ers can shop around with a much more attractive contract or even cut ties with him altogether and not take a huge penalty by doing so. At the very least, I expect to see more and more of Taylor Mays as the season progresses - I imagine he'll be making a start or close to it on Thursday against the Chargers. Very interesting.
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He's gone
He’s getting older and he’s injured prone with Taylor Mays waiting in the wing. He’s been a great presence for the Niners, but his time is up.
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Totally didn't think of the trade thing...
that’s probably what would happen. Wondering if they trade for a return specialist or a full back?
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If I'm a team in any need of a strong safety
I’m really liking that $1.7MM, is all I’m saying.
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me too
I hadn’t thought of how a lower salary would help his trade value…nice thought there NJ
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Those are the only kind I have. But yeah, should be interesting..
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Here's the question though
Who would be interested in a run stopping strong safety?
by ZeroOneInfinity on Aug 31, 2010 10:43 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
a team with a porous run defense
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Can you think of which teams though?
I’m out doing stuff (boring stuff which is why I’m on my phone checking NN), so I cannot check team rosters and injuries seeing who might be interested. My thought would be a playoff bound team looking for a starting SS because of an injury and willing to trade a late round pick for one.
by ZeroOneInfinity on Aug 31, 2010 11:01 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Panthers, Steelers, Ravens off the top of my head. Not necessarily “porous run defense,” but could use the assurance of Lewis at that price.
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by James Brady on Aug 31, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
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yes, teams with secondary issues in general would welcome a veteran safety for 1st and 2nd down, provided they have a decent cover safety opposite him.
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i assume ed reed counts as a "decent cover safety"
so the ravens are still in.
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by these3words on Aug 31, 2010 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t think the Ravens are in need of a safety, at least the kind of safety Lewis is. Plus, they have a couple of young guys to fill in for Reed if Reed is not ready for the season opener. Did something happen to Landry?
Steelers make sense if Polamalu is not ready. I haven’t kept up on the Steelers this off-season.
Panthers are interesting because a 4-3 may be more fit for Lewis’ skills but they traded a veteran safety this off-season to the Bears (Harris I think). So they either like who they have or drafted someone because it would be counter productive to trade for another veteran SS after trading one away.
by ZeroOneInfinity on Aug 31, 2010 11:27 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I think they'd be interested (Ravens)
in talking about it. Lewis could come play run downs for them and let the more athletic kids cover plus keep a 3rd down safety fresh…they need experience in the secondary period right now and 1.7M is a cheap price to pay even if the guy is a backup.
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Probably a good number of teams.
Again, that’s a very good, attractive salary for him and his skill level.
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by James Brady on Aug 31, 2010 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
It's Phat
Hey Ninja. Didn’t I just say this guy needed his contract restructured.
So how do you feel about Reggie taking his spot possibly this season? I think Reggie is in the lead right now and Mays has some work to do.
I don't want Reggie starting week one, mostly because of mental errors in game situations.
But I’m really pleased with how he’s come on.
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Opening up some $ to sign The Dashon
by Rod Blogojevich on Aug 31, 2010 9:12 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Could be, but I think it’s just generally opening up some money. We already have enough to put Dashon under contract, and I maintain that we’re going to wait a bit to see if last year was a fluke, for him.
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Hopefully not
VD is first.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
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by SportsChicken on Aug 31, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
I suspect not.
I’ll explain in a post at 1.
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by James Brady on Aug 31, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
That would piss me off
VD needs to be re-signed before any other guy.
I don’t care if it has anything to do with Michael Lewis.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
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by SportsChicken on Aug 31, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions
It pretty much has nothing to do with Michael Lewis.
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by James Brady on Aug 31, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
you think they're gonna let DG walk
and try to tag VD if they can, don’t you.
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Not necessarily, no.
I’m just taking a general view of things in the post later on.
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by James Brady on Aug 31, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
people are sleeping on Reggie Smith
a lot of people on twitter especially are turning this into “Oh, Taylor Mays is coming now…”
Smith is the more ready of the two right now. There is no “strong safety” and “free safety” in this defense, but someone has to be able to drop in the box and someone has to cover, preferrably both. Goldson can drop in the box and is showing coverage skills, Smith can cover and I’m betting he’s not scared of dropping in the box either. So this “Taylor Mays is a strong safety so he’s the one to replace Lewis” stuff is kinda unfounded.
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Agree, I think a lot of people on here have been acknowledging Reggie Smith lately, too, which is nice. Though, I don’t think Taylor Mays is the safety to replace him being unfounded is really the case, either. I think we’ll see a heavy dose of him pretty soon, here.
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just saying
Manusky is going to want the best safety, period. Not the best run stuffing big hulky safety…then what? Give up yards in coverage because a rookie is in there?
Hey, if Mays is ready or they think playing time would hit the turbos on his development and MAKE him ready…fine. Today, it’s Smith though.
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I completely agree, just saying that...
… Mays is certainly intriguing enough to not be entirely far behind Smith.
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I like Smith
But he sure got beat bad by the Raiders just before the half of thier last game.
Don't trust this guy. He lies.
yeah I know
but it’s not like safeties never get beat
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Michael Lewis got beat for a TD (the Zach Miller one) in that game too
except Lewis knew he was supposed to be covering the guy and got beat anyway.
when Reggie Smith got burned it was a miscommunication, which can be fixed, but Michael Lewis knew exactly what he was supposed to do and still failed. I don’t know about you, but I’ll take Reggie.
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by these3words on Aug 31, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I'll quote a comment of mine below.
I wouldn’t call it a horrible showing against the Raiders.
One thing I’ll say in his defense is that there is absolutely no reason he should have been one-on-one with Zach Miller, the Raiders’ best receiving option. Other than that, he did have that blown play on the FB. One last thing in defense of his play in the Raiders game: we did not adjust ANY packages. We didn’t sub, we didn’t do anything but play one drive in a base defense, one drive in another, and so on and so forth — probably because we play them in the regular season. So it’s not entirely indicative of what goes down with him.
Reggie hasn’t shown he’s ready just yet, either – it’s not clear if that was or was not a miscommunication, that’s just one way to possibly interpret it.
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by James Brady on Aug 31, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
name the best safety in the league
and I’ll show you them getting beat like that every now and then…when it becomes a theme…we’ll get concerned.
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never got beat deep eh?
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You'll find it.
Especially when he was playing corner. He was always willing to gamble. A few times, when he went to step in front for the int, he whiffed, and not only did the catch get made, but then he had to catch back up from a less than ideal starting position. As good as Lott was, the gambles almost always payed off, but only almost.
He's not leaving
If they restructured his contract that means VD could be getting a new contract here pretty soon or maybe Goldshon. And as for trade bait I dont see it happening teams know of his concussions from last year and I doubt they would want to take a risk in signing him and have him take up a roster spot.
Again - I don't think the restructure was for anyone in particular.
Just that they didn’t feel comfortable paying him that much.
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by ChesapeakeBay9er on Aug 31, 2010 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions
ravens
Reed might end up on PUP, their secondary is banged up…there are a few teams who could use a safety with tons of experience. He’s cheap now, and it’s a 1 year deal. We’re not talking a high draft pick…probably a 4th or 5th.
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Ravens can't put Reed on PUP if he's not already.
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That doesn’t make sense to me. Don’t you have to put someone on the PUP only when… ohhhh, wait. I know why they can. Nevermind me, I’m being stupid.
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Why restructure just to cut him a bit later?
My guess is that they would have considered cutting him at his old salary…and told his agent that.
The contract gives him a bonus, which I assumes he keeps even if he is cut. So I can’t see the Niners cutting him now.
I see it as a way to make everybody happy
If he doesn’t take the restructure, he more than likely gets cut with nothing. However, we could be losing out on a player that might still have some upside compared to a Smith, Mays or Taylor. I figure it keeps him here, keeps him paid and opens up the wallet for other players that we’re considering keeping here long term. Win-win all around.
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he's not being released
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
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by SportsChicken on Aug 31, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
he was just released
NOT
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My turn to play GM! Here's my strategy:
1. Modify Michael Lewis’ contract for two reasons — (1) reduce payroll for now, and (2) make him more readily tradable later in the season.
2. Closely evaluate Goldson’s continued development in the first half of the season.
3. Evaluate Smith’s and/or Mays’ readiness to become a starter during the first half of the season.
4. Beginning at mid-season, closely monitor all NFL injury situations at the safety position.
5. Find the best deal and trade Lewis to a team needing safety help (from injury) for as high a draft choice as possible in 2011 or 2012.
6. Begin starting either Smith or Mays depending upon which has shown the greatest development in the first half of the season.
7. Assuming that he has continued to develop, sign Goldson to an extension.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Aug 31, 2010 10:35 AM PDT reply actions
P.S.
My thinking is that our roster has developed to the point that it is unlikely that we could gain an additional high-impact player through a trade, particularly by “unloading” a veteran player like Lewis. Therefore, the most valuable currency that we can gain is draft choices so that (1) we can draft a highly promising high-impart player, or (2) package draft choices to trade for a younger high-impact veteran that we really want.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Aug 31, 2010 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah
I can’t see anyone coming in and contributing over the guys we have, except possibly punt returner but that depends on K-Dub’s recovery from the toe because he seemed to have a lot of natural ability in that area.
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it seems like we are not deep.
I don’t want to be overly concerned, but it seems like we are not deep right now at safety or corner.
well
we have a lot of youth at safety and question marks in the depth at CB, no matter who we keep.
Good players emerge from relative obscurity all the time. But yeah, we don’t have a ton of proven depth.
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if our depth sucks
then how do we keep making comeback wins in the preseason?
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by these3words on Aug 31, 2010 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
We're not deep at corner.
But I think we’re now deep at virtually every other position on the team. Maybe not DE.
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by James Brady on Aug 31, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
P.S.S.
In the 1980s, Eddie’s CASH enabled us to load up on high-impact veterans, guys like Jack Reynolds, Fred Dean, etc. The purpose of the salary cap was to squash that strategy. Therefore, IMO, draft choices are the new BEST CURRENCY OF THE REALM because they enable you to potentially gain one or two key players by trading choices to the teams that need a lot of help and want to draft as many new candidates as possible. Put simply, we can play a quality game while helping other teams play a quantity game.
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actually, it's P.P.S.
Post-postscript
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by these3words on Aug 31, 2010 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Fairly certain he was joking.
Either way, it’s P.P.S, P.P.S.S., PPS, PSS – there’s a huge group of them and virtually all are acceptable. Though I personally hate “PSS”
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by James Brady on Aug 31, 2010 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I think that'd be anyone's plan
the question is do they keep Taylor so they’d still have 4 safeties or just pick one up later?
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My assumption is ...
We start the season with 5 safeties (Lewis, Goldson, Smith, Mays and Taylor) for the first half of the season — until we know more about Goldson’s continued development (or not) and the relative development of Smith and Mays. Then, after trading Lewis, we go through the balance of the season with four safeties, and Maragos on the Practice Squad.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Aug 31, 2010 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
or
cut Taylor, who I’m told has PS eligibility, and know that you’ll likely have either him or Maragos on the bench for emergency situation if you can’t grab a vet off the street…
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IF you believe that Taylor will continue to develop, why expose him to waivers?
by 49erFanSince1950 on Aug 31, 2010 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Sometimes it’s all you can do. We have an abundance of promise at the position now, and personally — I’m a fan of Chris Maragos, myself.
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by James Brady on Aug 31, 2010 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
and
we need spots anywhere we can get them! Taylor would likely only see the field on ST’s, which is big, but Mays and 2 CB’s will play ST’s as well…so I don’t know that releasing Taylor would be the worst thing. I’d like to keep an extra OLB, maybe an extra OL and DL too
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What do you do if ...
1. You expose Taylor to waivers (with intension of putting him on the PS) and he’s claimed.
2. You lose Lewis — either via trade or because he doesn’t make the team next year.
3. You can’t re-sign Goldson because he wants too much money — and may get it from one of the big-market teams.
4. You end up with Smith and Mays (not ALL bad), but only have Maragos as an inexperienced back-up. So, you need to add safety depth in the draft when you should be focusing on CB and DL, and possibly QB and FB.
Why put yourself in this situation when you don’t have to?
by 49erFanSince1950 on Aug 31, 2010 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Well...
You’re overrated Taylor, who has shown literally nothing except potential, so I don’t see who that’s a factor. If I had to pick, I’d go with Maragos anyway. If we get rid of Lewis, then we have faith in Mays or Smith. If we can’t sign Goldson, we look in FA or we go with Smith/Mays which is a very promising duo right now. The good part about all of that is that we can’t really be in that position unless we choose to, save for losing Taylor, which isn’t all bad. Seventh round pick and all.
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this
we’d hold the cards on Goldson and Lewis and be able to decide accordingly. Maragos and a FA safety plus a mid rounder in the draft wouldn’t be the worst thing. 3 guys who’ve been in the system for at least a year, a veteran at the position and a new kid for depth. Cut one.
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Just so you're aware....
You can’t trade a player after the Saturday prior to Week 6 games. If they want to evaluate the other guys and make a trade, it has to be done early.
by 9thevolution on Aug 31, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
still plenty of time for injuries
to force a team to give up a nice pick or player for him
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Do remember that the deadline is a huge deal, though.
The big trades generally happen on or around it.
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by James Brady on Aug 31, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Starting defenses?
This is interesting. I realize we will know more after Thursday, but at this point what do you see as our starting defenses (base and 3rd-down/pass defenses) against Seattle? (emphasis on safeties (and on LB’s in the nickle(s))).
yeah, IDK
is Lewis still dropping to LB in nickel? I haven’t paid close attention but I did see him there once or twice thus far in PS. Also, are they working any other safeties in that capacity or is that specific to Lewis and if he leaves it will be Lawson or Bowman maybe at LB?
Smith is the nickel safety if Lewis drops down though, we know that. I also think maybe we could see 3 safeties deep on dime rather than 4 CB’s.
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Mays,
on paper*, seems like he would fit well in that nickle LB spot?
(*big (for a safety), strong hitter, good run-stopping potential, speed and coverage ability)
yes
I’ve always thought he was perfect for that spot. He finds the ball well and is strong, big, and likes contact. They’re not going to practice him there though because he has the natural abilities to play the position mostly. He needs reps in coverage since he’s had none in the past year, really.
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sounds to me like
NaVorro Bowman could be perfect for that role. he is probably a similar size to Michael Lewis, maybe a little bigger. we know he has speed and i heard from one of the beat writers that he has looked excellent in coverage so far. and i’m guessing that, as a linebacker, he can probably stop the run as well as your average safety.
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by these3words on Aug 31, 2010 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
That is odd
He had been given the most days off in camp. As goatfather pointed out he had a horrible showing against the Raiders. I had not noticed but I did watch the replay and he got beat on a couple big plays.
Of course a player is never going to take a pay cut unless it means he won’t get paid at all.
I wouldn't call it a horrible showing against the Raiders.
One thing I’ll say in his defense is that there is absolutely no reason he should have been one-on-one with Zach Miller, the Raiders’ best receiving option. Other than that, he did have that blown play on the FB. One last thing in defense of his play in the Raiders game: we did not adjust ANY packages. We didn’t sub, we didn’t do anything but play one drive in a base defense, one drive in another, and so on and so forth — probably because we play them in the regular season. So it’s not entirely indicative of what goes down with him.
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by James Brady on Aug 31, 2010 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
this
left a lot of guys exposed in situations they wouldn’t normally be in and haven’t practiced much in.
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I thought I might get a chuckle out of you ...
… with “in his defense.”
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by James Brady on Aug 31, 2010 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
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better?
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thank you
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by James Brady on Aug 31, 2010 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
there's just nothing like a coaxed laugh
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that sounds dirty.
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by James Brady on Aug 31, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Speaking of safeties
I’ve tried to watch Taylor Mays in preseason and it looks he’s lining up at the FS position and not SS … what is everyone else seeing?
by that do you mean
that he doesn’t drop into the box? Because Manusky and Co. have been saying that the safeties are interchangable
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Because they know that he can, I think. It’s all been drilling the things they think he’s not used to.
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by James Brady on Aug 31, 2010 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
this
my theory on Mays is this:
right now they’re beating him over the head with repetition on stuff he needs work on. Once the reg. season starts if sees the field they want him to just play, not think. But he has to have all this stuff in his subconscious at least…good habits…they know his instincts to come blow up the dude with the ball…that doesn’t need one bit of practice.
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From what i've seen he's way back almost like the USC day's ...
… not really but back far enough where he’s not on tape and seen no box for him …!!
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they want him to see the field
and get better at reading the QB, jumping routes, etc. not just blowing guys up…that’s my guess.
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Well then put him in the box with Raye ...!! ( Ha )
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he might bust through the window
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Announcer:
“And that’s Taylor Mays, the rookie out of USC, with an excellent tackle of my color commentator.”
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by these3words on Aug 31, 2010 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
using a draft pick
OK, I can see getting a draft pick for Lewis, but what about the possibility of giving up a high pick (1?) for help in the secondary right now? I mean our run-stopping ability is probably excellent, but a good cover corner or safety could be necessary.
This is a key year. We don’t want waste VD , PW, DG, etc’s prime years, (and Gore is looking good). We don’t want to be vulnerable to come late game scoring due to secondary coverage weakness.
I would not be opposed to this at all.
So long as it’s a corner, not a safety.
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by James Brady on Aug 31, 2010 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah
Lewis and a 2nd for an upgrade at CB maybe?
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do you know of a specific CB we could maybe get for that?
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by these3words on Aug 31, 2010 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
just based on the trades this year and the picks that accompanied them
and when we’re talking about upgrading at CB…we don’t have probowl CB’s on the roster, although Tae and Nate could be sleeper candidates in 2010…but I think we could get some of the guys on 9thevolution’s list for that.
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If there are CBs worth a 1st round pick, then they aren't available.
Except maybe Revis, but he’d cost a ton of money. With Clements already taking $10 million that isn’t a viable option.
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VD, P-Dub, and DaGold could all have 8+ years left at a high level.
it’s not like we’ll be wasting their careers if the niners aren’t super bowl contenders this season.
it wouldn’t be a disaster if we held on to our draft picks and drafted a good cover corner next year.
When life gives you fruit, add a bunch of sugar to it.
Not many CBs available
lots of teams will be wanting some which is why I don’t believe a word out of the Jets ownership when they say they’re not talking about trading Revis.
I’d get rid of him for two 2nds or a first in a heartbeat if he’s threatening to hold out, rather than lose a season of playing time especially when your fans are expecting you to go to the Super Bowl this year.
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Well Seattle just traded Josh Wilson to Baltimore
not like they would have traded him to us, but wow, I can’t believe they would trade him away for a conditional fifth round pick. Baltimore knows how to make trades.
by ZeroOneInfinity on Aug 31, 2010 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions
And to read Field Gulls you'd think they just traded away their entire future
three front page posts, hundreds of comments, all filled with extreme anger and vitriol.
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They sound like they are going to riot over there
He was the one player I liked on the Seahawks. I’m more surprised they did not get more for him. I could easily see a second round pick for him since he was drafted in the second. I’m confused as to why trade him and not some other CB?
by ZeroOneInfinity on Aug 31, 2010 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions
would get tricky with roster then
Brown, Adams, Paymah, James, and new guy…1-2 spots to fill…Go
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no
but they’re worth something…these guys could be #3’s on another team! Especially teams with injury bug like Ravens.
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No, definitely not.
Brown has made some mistakes, his biggest problem is consistency, but none of them are close to challenging him. Brown is closer to challenging, say, Nate Clements than those three are to Brown.
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by James Brady on Aug 31, 2010 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
it'd be like throwing away pefectly good stuff though
because you have something ever so slightly better
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Huh?
I’m not sure what this is in regards to, I was only answering his question.
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by James Brady on Aug 31, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
in reference to having to cut any of those guys
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I'm perfectly OK with cutting Paymah.
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by James Brady on Aug 31, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
idk
I like him in a way. He’s always in the mix…not your typical ankle tackling CB.
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On ST.
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by James Brady on Aug 31, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
so call him Marcus Hudson
and be done with it…what’s the problem?
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The problem is that we don't have many good corners.
Our two starting corners have missed significant playing time in their careers. You want the backup (remember, Tarell Brown is a starter) to be a corner who comes in and can cover, can play on defense in a starting role. Paymah has never shown that.
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by James Brady on Aug 31, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
have to roster 5
cut Taylor, hope for PS
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Five still doesn't leave room for both Paymah and James.
Paymah is a proven special teamer. James is a proven corner, albeit with injury issues. My point is that is James is medically evaluated and is in the clear, he’s the better option. I won’t cling to him if he’s not fit to play.
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by James Brady on Aug 31, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
so you want Adams
is basically what that whole post means
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But of course I do ...
… though that’s not what that post was directly stating. I am, in a round-about way, making a point (I think).
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by James Brady on Aug 31, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Brown has started
and didn’t play awfully, just not great, and we had Bly. Worst case you have Tae/Brown or Nate/Brown and Paymah as your nickel (where he’s played outside before, put Nate back in the slot, where he’s supposed to play or Brown, who’s also played there).
That’s if you keep Adams as the 5th. If you keep James, maybe he and Paymah battle for the nickel backup.
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The problem with Brown is that he’s not good on the right side of the field. There’s a reason when we “demoted” Nate, we put Brown over there and kicked Spencer around where he fit. Brown isn’t a stalwart backup in that regard. I’m saying that we have four set, and that Adams is one of those four and eliminates the need for Paymah’s special teams contributions – it’s then Paymah vs James battling for the immediate backup spot for playing time at corner. I got James, there.
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by James Brady on Aug 31, 2010 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
keep Paymah on speed dial then
for James’ next injury
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I can't declare James a roster spot
when he wont even practice for 2-3 more weeks…Paymah will get signed by the Ravens the day after we cut him
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I can't declare it either.
It’s advocacy based on circumstance, I’ll say.
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by James Brady on Aug 31, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
the use of more than one
three syllable word in a single comment is prohibited
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"syl-a-ble", "pro-hib-i-ted"
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by James Brady on Aug 31, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
rules are user specific
eye’m moar awsummer!
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You're losing it, buddy.
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by James Brady on Aug 31, 2010 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
3 or more syllable word
I should have said
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man we need to get on the phone
and start dealing some guys, screw cutting them.
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we'll keep them all otherwise!
muhahahhaaha
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Tre talking to Tre about Tre again.
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by James Brady on Aug 31, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
i'm sorry
that were inapoperiate
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1-2 spots? no, 3.
any roster has room for 5 CBs: Spencer, Clements, Brown, Adams, Da New Guy
i don’t think James or Paymah factors into the team’s long-term plans anyway, so no big loss there.
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by these3words on Aug 31, 2010 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah
shoulda said 2-3, point is the guys we’d cut aren’t complete scrubs…
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Now we just need to restructure Nate Clement’s ridiculous contract and it will all be good
Dashon, Mays, and Bamm Bamm will get the record for most decapitations in one season
by MichaelClutchtree on Aug 31, 2010 11:14 AM PDT reply actions
*Clements’
Dashon, Mays, and Bamm Bamm will get the record for most decapitations in one season
by MichaelClutchtree on Aug 31, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Clements’s is the most widely accepted, but yeah, I completely agree.
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by James Brady on Aug 31, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
i dont know what the cap penalty is for releasing him, but i know on madden when i try to it would cost me 10-15 million the next season
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by MichaelClutchtree on Aug 31, 2010 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Madden is, of course, the definitive source for such things. But I wouldn’t want to release him, I think he’s due for a decent year.
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by James Brady on Aug 31, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
i know it isnt. but im pretty sure their contracts are correct and they know the cap rules. ill go check i guess
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by MichaelClutchtree on Aug 31, 2010 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
I was being sarcastic in a kind of … fond, “I’ve done that on Madden as well,” way – not necessarily disparaging your usage.
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by James Brady on Aug 31, 2010 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
it costs us nothin cap wise this year
there is no cap
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Shutup, you. With your facts that I should have thought of right away.
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by James Brady on Aug 31, 2010 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
it costs us value though!
seriously, we need to start fielding trade offers for some of the cuts…
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eagles?
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
I think there'd be plenty of teams interested in Clements
I’d trade him for a conditional 3rd, even though I think he’s due for a big year.
I also don’t think his salary is out of hand yet. Next year is when it really starts getting crazy.
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I was thinking more like
M. Lewis + a draft pick for A. Samuel
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
Can't see him not being with the team this year
While it is possible that they trade him to a needy team, I just don’t see it. The team knows what it has and wants to make a strong push deep in the playoffs. I think he stays all year and is gradually given less snaps as the other guys progress. I don’t think the team is ready to hand anything over to Smith or Mays just yet.
Come on guys ...
If you were the GM on the other side of the fence, would you trade a “good cover corner” for Lewis and a 2nd, or even a 1st, round draft choice? I don’t think so. You’d have to do a LOT better than that. IMO there are only three ways to get a good (or better) cover corner: (1) draft him in the 1st round, (2) get lucky and draft a later rounder who develops into what you want, or (3) present a package of draft picks (and possibly less-critical players) to a team that is desperate to improve in many areas.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Aug 31, 2010 11:16 AM PDT reply actions
Lewis and a 1st would be plenty. We're not talking about Nnamdi, here.
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by James Brady on Aug 31, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
LEWIS, CLEMENTS, AND A 1ST FOR REVIS!
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by MichaelClutchtree on Aug 31, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
I'd take that deal in a nanosecond IF ...
I was sure that I could sign Revis to a long-term contract at a “reasonable” amount (whatever that is).
by 49erFanSince1950 on Aug 31, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
there are about a dozen
CB’s that are probably better than what we have…any of them in the middle of that group I bet you could get for a 2nd and Lewis pushes it over the top if they need safety help.
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we can toss them out there but it's early
I’d start looking at teams who need help at Safety, even if they have a good Strong cause he might be able to cover too and be used on 3rd down. Lewis can play LB in nickel too, so again, a team who needs run support would be glad to have a guy who can help in that way all 3 downs.
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I would take Leigh Bodden...
Wished the Niners had signed him last year instead of “Dre gon’ be Dre”
by 9thevolution on Aug 31, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
And just to name a few others...
Cortland Finnegan
Cedric Griffin
Leon Hall
John Joseph
It depends on how much you’re giving up, but it’s unlikely that a team gives up a starting CB unless they have a young guy they feel is just as good.
by 9thevolution on Aug 31, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
There’s a good number of those young guys that teams feel good about, right now.
Why the hell don’t we have one?
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by James Brady on Aug 31, 2010 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Philip Adams
It’s just a bit early for him. Hell, Finnegan was a 7th rounder, so I think we’ll be happy with Adams in time. Just wish we got more out of Brown than what he offers.
by 9thevolution on Aug 31, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
This is Brown's "do or die" year.
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by James Brady on Aug 31, 2010 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
absolutely
next year he’ll be fighting for special teams corner otherwise
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If he plays just decent...
I have no problem leaving him as the 3rd corner until a younger guy beats him out. He got an extension last year, so he’ll be around for a while. Either way, ‘Tae isn’t getting younger and Nate’s salary prevents him from sticking after this year without a restructure. That might not even be worth it because he’s still aging pretty fast. We might be looking at Adams and a rookie battling for the 2nd corner spot next year.
Our secondary is a mess right now.
by 9thevolution on Aug 31, 2010 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
he can compete for 3rd CB
but I’d make it an open competition next year for sure.
or we could just trade him…
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i highly doubt phillip adams will be
competing for a starting spot next year. shawntae will be #1 and we will still have brown.
if they draft a corner in the first 2 rounds like they should, that’s a hell of a mountain for phillip adams to climb.
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brown has a lot to prove
he couldn’t hold off Dre Bly last year and isn’t making any challenges to start this year over Tae or Nate. He’s got to take the next step or he’ll be competing for the nickel role with Adams or a newcomer next year.
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All this CB talk could go away ...
… if we can get a more consistent pass rush , and for that i’m think’n Laboy might juz be the one to push us over the top …!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's juz my game ...!!
So much for a slow week , this Lewis thing stir's it up ...!!
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i know, right?
didn’t the nuggets this morning say it was a slow news day? so much for that…
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Reading comprehension. :]
The Nuggets today called yesterday a slow news day.
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I think we're all missing the big picture here.
The big picture, of course, is that Keith Smith is still gone. Just saying.
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Big picture?, i mean, maybe we'll be fine
Carleton Williamson was a rookie (so were Wright and Lott) . But i guess we are a little concerned about pass defense?
Was just mostly a joke about how much I hated Keith Smith
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by James Brady on Aug 31, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Two minor points ...
1. Williamson started at SS (Lott and Wright were the corners and Hicks the FS).
2. The Niners had a very good pass rush game that year.
by 49erFanSince1950 on Aug 31, 2010 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions
WHY THE HELL DIDN’T WE SIGN OJ ATOGWE
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by MichaelClutchtree on Aug 31, 2010 11:32 AM PDT reply actions
HOLY CRAP 140 COMMENTS ALREADY!
Oh. Nevermind. 120 of them are Tre9er.
by mr. instigator on Aug 31, 2010 11:34 AM PDT reply actions
Bahahaha. I love it.
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by James Brady on Aug 31, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
and the guy above
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no, u.
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by James Brady on Aug 31, 2010 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Smith over Mays
I would have Smith starting over Mays because Smith is more proven and can cover, Mays can play the run and seems similar to Lewis in his style of play IMO, it be awesome if you can combine them both but you can’t, so just on experience and knowledge of playbook Smith over Mays but different story next year.
Smith just barely more proven.
Remember, he’s been “so-so” until this preseason.
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by James Brady on Aug 31, 2010 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
light went on
me thinks
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We can only hope.
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by James Brady on Aug 31, 2010 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Vikings
are short CB’s right now with the trade of Sapp for Camarillo, Chris cook tore his meniscus, and they dont’ seem to like Lito Shephard much…another partner…let’s send them Paymah back for a draft pick?
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exactly
They’re hurting and they know him…but that kind of thing never happens so…
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by Tre9er on Aug 31, 2010 6:46 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Hopefully the end is around the corner.
Mays or Smith doesn’t bother me. Goldson would be my SS anyways. Mays or Smith at FS and ultimately Mays and Smith my starters next season, hasta la gonnerhea to Goldson.
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Back to Philly
Draft gurus had Philly picking earl Thomas when they moved up. They passed. Macho Harris is awfully inept and everyone knows. LEWIS FOR VICK. WIN-WIN.
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vick would take time to develop
and to learn our system. He’s playing in a WCO right now. He’s not exactly young either (31 right?) so it would be no better than having Carr except for athletic ability. Unless you mean to cut Davis and hope to PS him, or not.
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I'm pretty confident in Alex Smith so I don't see us making this kind of move
however, what was the system that Vick played in when he was with the Falcons?
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not fam. enough with Atlanta to now but I would guess it's closer to ours
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What system?
Vick never bothered to learn the playbook in Atlanta. Most of what he was doing was just running around making s—- up on the fly. It’s a remarkable testament to his raw athletic ability that he got away with playing like that for as long as he did.
i wonder if Michael Vick
is Nate Davis’ role model.
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Probably JaMarkus Russell's, too...
Although that was never our problem. I’ve run across some people who want to imagine that the Michael Vick/ Randall Cunningham school of quarterback play is a “black” way to play the position. It isn’t. It’s just ignorant. It only more or less works if you can run like Usain Bolt. The overwhelming majority of QBs, even those who happen to be black , aren’t as fast as that.
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