49ers training camp: I do believe it's a game week!
Lost in the hubbub of Jerry Rice's induction into the Pro Football Hall of Fame was the fact that aside from the week 9 bye, this past weekend was the last weekend without 49ers football for the next 5 or so months (hopefully on the longer end!). This coming Sunday the 49ers kick off their 2010 campaign on the road against the Indianapolis Colts. Given how preseason games go we likely won't get a whole lot out of this in certain respects (Gore, Alex Smith, etc).
However, there will still be plenty to learn from this game. By the time kickoff gets here on Sunday, we'll have had approximately two full weeks of practice. Although some of you have had a chance to view training camp on one of the open dates, without being there on an every day basis, it's difficult to truly sense how a player is performing. He might have looked good the day you were there, but who knows how he performed the days you weren't present.
Given all that, I wanted to call everybody's attention to Phil Barber's stock reports on the 49ers. He took a look at players on the rise and players on the decline. Barber spends every day at practice and thus is able to get a sense of when a player is gaining momentum on the playing field (whether it be positive or negative momentum).
Anthony Davis/Mike Iupati
The two most interesting players on the rise would have to be OT Anthony Davis and G Mike Iupati. The two rookies were expected to challenge for starting positions at some point, but I don't know if anybody expected it quite this soon. While Iupati moved up in part because of the injury to David Baas, the same cannot necessarily be said about Davis. Adam Snyder appears to be healthy, and yet Davis has been getting more of the first team reps at right tackle lately. Assuming it's because he's earned the reps (and not some other unknown reason), then 49ers fans have to be fairly excited about this possibility.
During the discussion of Jerry Rice this weekend, there was some discussion of the 49ers unloading Freddie Solomon early in Rice's career. Someone mentioned on tv about how Bill Walsh said he'd rather lose an early game with a young guy still learning rather than lose a game late in the season because a veteran was running out of gas. One could potentially see that philosophy on display down in Santa Clara and with the 49ers all season long. I wouldn't be surprised at this point if we saw Davis and Iupati both lining up with the starters week 1 of the regular season. If that's the case, we might see some bumps early on, but over the length of the season, it could be huge for this team.
As we head into the first preseason game, that will certainly be something to which we all should pay attention. It might still be too early to declare Anthony Davis even in the lead in the race for the right tackle position. It will be interesting to see how the playing time is divided between Davis, Snyder and even Alex Boone (who would seem to be bouncing between right and left tackle). Even if guys like Alex Smith and Frank Gore aren't getting a ton of reps this Sunday, the right tackle/left guard position battle will see all the contestants duking it out all game long.
Ricky Jean-Francois
The least shocking inclusion on the rising report would have to be nose tackle Ricky Jean-Francois. RJF has been a bit of a revelation in camp following his extended reps thanks to the absence of franchise nose tackle Aubrayo Franklin. Franklin will likely be in camp later this month as he looks to avoid injuries. In the meantime, RJF is cleaning house as he gets both first and second team reps at nose tackle.
My question at this point would be this: what happens when Aubrayo Franklin returns to the lineup? Let's operate under the assumption that Franklin quickly regains his starting position. Obviously nothing's guaranteed, but just go with me on this because otherwise there's no point to the question.
If Franklin slots right back into the starting lineup, what happens to RJF? If he's the long term answer at nose tackle that's great, but how do you take advantage of that in 2010? Do you rotate him in more frequently and rest Franklin a bit more? Or do you try and get RJF some playing time at left defensive end? They're entirely different positions, but if a guy is performing well for your time, wouldn't you want to figure out ways to get him on the field?
Ted Ginn/Jason Hill
Barber has Ginn and Hill as guys suffering from the drops, which is something that has plagued both of them in their young NFL careers. At this point, I just want to see the two of them in action. For a lot of players the preseason doesn't tell us much. However, for guys who struggle to hold onto receptions the preseason games could be a good first step towards figuring them out.
Given that Crabtree and Morgan would seem to be locked into the #1/#2 WR positions, Ginn and Hill will likely see a fair amount of playing time this Sunday. If the drops continue, so will their playing time.
Tarell Brown
Barber snuck this one in at the end, but I definitely was pleased to see it:
CB Tarell Brown: He's right where you thought he'd be - the fifth defensive back in the nickel package and the first corner off the bench in case of injury. But Brown has sneaked in for a few first-team reps at left cornerback even when Nate Clements is practicing, and has looked very solid in coverage.
While it would be nice to see Tarell Brown take hold of a starting position ahead of Clements, it's good to see that he's having a generally solid camp. It might not be spectacular, but I'd be happy with him in the nickel role at this point. Things can certainly change over the course of the season (as we saw last year), so we'll certainly have to take this week to week. I'd imagine Brown will see a lot of playing time this Sunday. I'd suspect Clements and Shawntae Spencer will both come off the field fairly early in the game.
Overall, in looking at Barber's two stock reports, things seem to be coming along ok thus far. The injuries are certainly a concern, but that's the case for most every team. Other than that, the team seems to be setting a good pace heading into Sunday's matchup with the Colts.
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Nate Davis was prone to mistakes while in college. Watch the MAC championship game between Ball State and Buffalo and you will see Davis made two huge mistakes in that game costing Ball State the championship.
"Dodger fans aren’t happy when foul balls get into their section, because it interferes with their playing with the beachball"- Mike Krukow
That game showcased both the sublime and ridiculous about NaDavis
Sublime was the consistency with which he threw the ball and his pristine over-the-top delivery in the pocket, out of it, and down the field. This all was particularly remarkable given that Davis was throwing to schlubs like then-freshman Briggs Orsborn.
Ridiculous was the Rosenfels-esque ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3_hi7gOjE0 ) helicopter-fumble that, yes, cost Ball State the game.
With that said, count me among those excited to watch Davis play a bit more this preseason.
I'm just not sure how much worse what Vick did than what "Ben" did. Glad he's not a Niner.
I'm with you
I’m excited to see him play in the preseason and I hope he can carve out a career in the NFL, but he is still prone to mistakes.
"Dodger fans aren’t happy when foul balls get into their section, because it interferes with their playing with the beachball"- Mike Krukow
no he's not
You’re going off one game.
He played tremendously well before the final two games of the season and was considered by many a 1st round talent.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Aug 9, 2010 9:28 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Said the same thing i'm glad we got nate davis he's a MAC QB
the learning disability is the only reason he catches so much ’’hate’’his numbers in college aint bad and he hasn’t played bad when he got hischance so somebody tell me whatsthe problem with him?
by 49er_diva_recieva's on Aug 9, 2010 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions
He's had 18 months to learn the playbook
and still can’t call the right plays. And his accuracy stinks to boot.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 9, 2010 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions
It's not one game
He also sucked in the bowl game.
"Dodger fans aren’t happy when foul balls get into their section, because it interferes with their playing with the beachball"- Mike Krukow
yup
Tulsa AND Buffalo – the only 2 good teams he faced.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 9, 2010 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
He's been playing horribly all camp, Overthrows, underthrows, blown calls and turnovers
There is a reason Jarrett Brown actually got some snaps in camp. They are already giving up on N. Davis.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 9, 2010 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Well see sunday when he gets his chance ,n thats news 2 me i haven't read about
these things your saying ,but itis camp its only been ‘’A Week’’your talking like you have 6weeks of material?
by 49er_diva_recieva's on Aug 9, 2010 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm including OTAs and Minicamp
Jimmy Raye actually yanked him in minicamp cause he screwed up too many play calls.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 9, 2010 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions
He could come sunday n go 8-10 150yrds and throw 2 touchdowns n
you would still have problem with him wouldn’t you?Tell the truth you just don’t like him?
by 49er_diva_recieva's on Aug 9, 2010 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions
That being said my boy from west virginia will be challenging nate davis for tha 3 spot
hopefully nate davis has the playbook down cuzz if he doesn’t n he struggles he will be the 4th QB.
by 49er_diva_recieva's on Aug 9, 2010 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Its pre-season and he'll be playing against a bunch of guys that won't be in the league come October
So it will mean absolutely nothing. But just to counterpoint that… he’s been throwing picks against our 3rd stringers so I doubt he’ll even do great pre-season. Maybe with our 1st team offense against guys that won’t be in the league.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 9, 2010 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Wow you pull that game out of a ''incredible''year he was having thats kind of ''hater-ish''
he may be raw in some places but he also very talented ,he could make all the throws i will take him over ’’carr’’
by 49er_diva_recieva's on Aug 9, 2010 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree, Davis has more up-side than Carr.
Davis should get more playing time than Carr in the preseason. To me, Carr is just a 1 year back-up while Davis get more time with the playbook. Next year, the Niners should draft a QB in the middle rounds, maybe with the extra 4th round pick. I am an Alex Smith supporter and believe that he will do very well this season and in the future, but it never hurts to have young talent at QB in case there is an injury.
by ericalancanty on Aug 9, 2010 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions
We should have cut bait on Davis already
But it looks like we’re getting ready to since Jarrett Brown is getting reps in camp that Davis wasn’t even getting on the practice squad
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 9, 2010 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions
What? the practice squad is way different than camp.
Davis has seen lots of action so far this year in camp, in fact every practive, while your boy Brown just recently has seen action in 7 on 7 and 11 on 11 drills. All QB’s get reps in team drills but not during the 7 -7, 11 – 11 drills. Davis is by far getting more reps during these periods than Brown. I just see Brown as another JaMarcus Russell, just a waste of skin as far as being a QB is concerned.
by ericalancanty on Aug 9, 2010 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Since you don't know what you're talking about..
Nate Davis was playing cornerback on the practice squad last off-season because they have no faith in him that he’ll learn the playbook. Sounds like they were right to me.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 9, 2010 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions
I was fully aware that he played CB on the practice squad.
I was saying that there is a huge difference between the practice squad during the regular season and Training Camp. Here is a link to the 11th practice of the year.
http://www.csnbayarea.com/08/07/10/img-srchttpcsnbayareacomcommonglobal_ima/landing.html?blockID=285661&feedID=7038
I have read all of the practice articles and this is the first to metion Brown getting any reps, while all the others say that Davis is getting them. So before you tell someone that they don’t know what they are talking about, you should do some research to make sure that you are right. Again, Nate Davis seeing a considerable amount of playing time in camp compared to Brown. Brown has no shot at making the roster this season. He will surley be on the practice squad playing CB during the regular season.
by ericalancanty on Aug 9, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
If they had faith in him knowing the playbook he wouldn't be practicing as a corner
Jarrett Brown is getting reps even though there is zero chance of him starting over Alex or Carr. So him getting any reps at all shows the #3 position is up for grabs. Just depends on if Jarrett can learn the offense fast enough.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 9, 2010 11:30 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
He is not practicing at corner during training camp.
He only did that on the practice squad last year during the regular season. During the regular season, the 4th QB doesn’t get reps during 7 on 7 or 11 on 11 drills so they have them play other postions. Training camp is different. All the QBs get reps during team drills. Team drill is where they only have the QB and a WR or 2 running routes. During 7 on 7 and 11 on 11 drills Brown has seen very little time until practice #11. Davis has seen considerable amount of time during this years camp. What they had Davis do last year and what theydo this year are 2 different worlds. Davis will be the 3rd string QB and Brown, maybe, the practice squad guy.
I am sure that Davis and Brown will get the most time during the preseason games to determine who will be the 3rd string guy.
by ericalancanty on Aug 9, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Were cutting him because he '' allegedly''struggle his 1st week of camp
your taking your ‘’hating ’’2 a new level..just like people are not buying the RJF talk this early on ,i’m defiently not buying that nate davis is gone because he’s ’’allegedly’’struggle the first full week of practice .What did the great allen iverson say,‘’ Not a game were talking about practice’’
by 49er_diva_recieva's on Aug 9, 2010 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Do you think the niners will hold onto Jarret ?
by 49er_diva_recieva's on Aug 9, 2010 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions
they'll hope to PS him
but he probably get signed somewhere on waivers
"They can’t stop us. Throw in our other weapons, and it’s over. What are they gonna do? There ain’t nothing they can do. It’s over." - Vernon Davis
Let's talk on Twitter
Nate Davis will get released before that happens.
Jarrett in 1 1/2 months knows about as much of the playbook as Davis has figured out yet.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 9, 2010 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't really care either way
best future should stick. Nate was last year’s 5th rounder. Brown was a free agent…we aren’t losing much.
"They can’t stop us. Throw in our other weapons, and it’s over. What are they gonna do? There ain’t nothing they can do. It’s over." - Vernon Davis
Let's talk on Twitter
In a much deeper draft Brown was a UDFA
In last years draft he would have been a 5th/6th rounder same as Davis.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 9, 2010 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
we could debate who's is bigger all day
let’s just see how it shakes out
"They can’t stop us. Throw in our other weapons, and it’s over. What are they gonna do? There ain’t nothing they can do. It’s over." - Vernon Davis
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Wallauh n thats where it all stems and honestly you don't know if
nate davis knows or doesn’t know the playbook thats sad .
by 49er_diva_recieva's on Aug 9, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
By the way its not like west virginia QBs have been ''lighting the world on fire''
anyway,damm judge a player 4 what he does on the field b4 you just hop on everybody else band wagon.
by 49er_diva_recieva's on Aug 9, 2010 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Um past performance does not dictate the future
Otherwise Brady Quinn would be the best ever. And I have judged Davis for what he has done on the field. Called the wrong, threw balls high , (Alex’s worst trait and one he constantly gets deserved negativity), and threw absolutely horrible ints. Like John Elway against the Niners in the SB horrible. No receivers in the vicinity.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 9, 2010 12:00 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Do you think singletery will start bret miller at fullback 2 see how he looks
against the colts first team or just let norris start afew snaps but give bret miller a little more time with the 2nd team>?
by 49er_diva_recieva's on Aug 9, 2010 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Norris 1st
Miller Second. I think Norris has to struggle and/or Miller has to blow it up in order to take the spot.
"They can’t stop us. Throw in our other weapons, and it’s over. What are they gonna do? There ain’t nothing they can do. It’s over." - Vernon Davis
Let's talk on Twitter
They should keep both....
Miller’s ability to catch the ball can make him dangerous out of the backfield.. With all of the attention going to gore, miller can find a hole and make a big play here and there.
by ericalancanty on Aug 9, 2010 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
crowded roster
but I suppose some recent injuries and cuts have made it a little more favorable for this to happen.
"They can’t stop us. Throw in our other weapons, and it’s over. What are they gonna do? There ain’t nothing they can do. It’s over." - Vernon Davis
Let's talk on Twitter
He wasn't very good against Tulsa or Buffalo
the only 2 decent teams he faced
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 9, 2010 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions
you do know what happened before that game right?
His coach was fired and the whole team played like [site decorum]
Besides, that doesn’t matter anymore. The only thing that matters is his performance in the NFL pre season
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Aug 9, 2010 9:26 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm just saying he had a very good career at ball st. and he had a good season that year
they were undefeated up until that game ,he had his worst game of the season in that game but he was also responsible 4 the success they were having.I just think he’s a good QB and if it wasn’t 4 that alleged learning dis-ability i don’t think he would get the majority of the hating he gets
by 49er_diva_recieva's on Aug 9, 2010 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Lots of QBs do great in college
Chris Weinke and Jim Druckenmiller did pretty good too.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 9, 2010 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions
The majority of being an NFL caliber QB is upstairs
not just in the arm or the feet. Some guys don’t have it upstairs.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 9, 2010 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Montana looked good in that ''flag football game''if our line does well we can
bring him in 4 a ‘’ Drive’’?
by 49er_diva_recieva's on Aug 9, 2010 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Weink was 35yrs old when he played in college?
by 49er_diva_recieva's on Aug 9, 2010 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
um what are you talking about?
Weinke wasn’t 35 at FSU
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 9, 2010 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Where your personality at '''Key-word''joke ???/Dude are you serious
lmao did you really just take that serious lol damm thats bad
by 49er_diva_recieva's on Aug 9, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
When you put a question mark at the end of a statement
You negate any chance of anybody figuring out its sarcasm and just look like a dummy
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 9, 2010 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Commen sense should take place naturally no matter if i add a ?
question mark or not ,don’t blame me 4 your stupidity cuzz you don’t hear about college QBs being 35yrs old unless its a movie ,i was joking becuzz wienke was a few yrs older then the normal college QB.
by 49er_diva_recieva's on Aug 9, 2010 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Common sense is hard to apply when the grammar u use completely changes what you're saying.
When u use a question mark you’re asking me if Weinke was 35. I just assume u have no clue what you’re talking about. If you had said “Weinke was 65 in college.” Then I’d have gotten the sarcasm.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 9, 2010 1:03 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Davis/Iupati
It’s almost a certainty at this point, at least in my eyes, that both will be starting in week 1. However, that doesn’t mean that they’ll be keeping the job indefinitely. As we saw with Rachal in the past, if these guys struggle in the least, they’re going right back to the bench. With a division game in week 1, Sing will quickly pull them if he feels that a vet can play better.
That said, I agree with the thoughts of Walsh that it’s better to take a few lumps early rather than run out of gas late in the season. OL isn’t a position where you can use a rotation consistantly.
As for the other mentioned players from both reports, I don’t think Brooks should be listed as declining. Injuries happen and it’s unfortunate that he’s going to lose time, but to say he’s declining isn’t necessarily a fair assessment. Nice to see Williams getting some love (Williams for OROY) as well as Bowman. And I’m happy to hear Brown is making some nice contributions. Hopefully, if he does earn the right to start at some point, he doesn’t squander the opportunity.
Ricky Jean-Francois & Franklin...
… think’n they rotate them to keep a fresh D and give Ricky the his just due , for when he take’s over next year …!!
Gotta love a woman that wear's knee pad's to work ...!!
RJF hasn't proven anything
I’d be shocked if they rotated him with Franklin, when Franklin doesn’t generally play passing downs anyway.
If RJF really improves, then he should be on the field at LDE since that position is a quagmire of mediocrity. I’d be surprised by this though, people are getting too brainwashed by the annual “massive improvements!” stories.
I’m moving towards the Boone should make the team sentiment, but I doubt guys like he, RJF, Reggie Smith, Brooks are going to be nearly as good as people are starting to expect.
I’m truly interested to see how key guys like Crabtree, Rachal, and Clements look this year look in the pre-season.
by whistlingmountain on Aug 9, 2010 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Franklin has not signed yet
so RJF will see many reps. I do not think it is brainwash as much as it could be steps towards RJF developing to the NFL level and speed. He’s only in his second season so really, he could take another year to develop since most D-linemen take three years to develop.
And when you say Brooks, you mean Ahmad Brooks – the situational pass rusher who accumulated half a sack less than the leading sacker on the team with only a third of the playing time? How is he not as good as people expect?
by ZeroOneInfinity on Aug 9, 2010 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Franklin 2 me really didn't start setting his self apart until a season and a half ago
so lets not start ’’praisng’’ him like he’s the almighty,don’t get me wrong he’s a very good player but early on he wasn’t as focused then + made alot of mental mistakes ,that being said ‘’hell ya i want him in camp’’
by 49er_diva_recieva's on Aug 9, 2010 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions
who else we got behind him that's near his level right now?
I don’t think RJF is there yet
"They can’t stop us. Throw in our other weapons, and it’s over. What are they gonna do? There ain’t nothing they can do. It’s over." - Vernon Davis
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Thats true i just like RJF his junior year at lsu he played very good and he would
of gotten drafted higher then what he did ,im not saying he would be a1st rd but maybe a 4th 5th i want lol 2 say rd just don’t know if i can lol.
by 49er_diva_recieva's on Aug 9, 2010 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
I wanted 2 say a 3rd rounder just don't know but he could of been a 4th rounder
if he came out his junior yr,now his senior yr he didn’t play up 2 his potential but he was beat up alot 2.
by 49er_diva_recieva's on Aug 9, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Not
I’ll agree that it’s very premature to put RJF on an even footing with Franklin but he is a second year player who worked his ass off all offseason and put on a great deal of muscle weight, which he needed as an undersized guy. His ‘massive improvement’, as evidenced by consistently blowing up people in the nutcracker, making plays in team drills, etc. is potentially indicative of a guy who will be a solid player in this league or better. This is the type of thing you would expect to hear out of camp in that kind of scenario.
Of course we don’t know anything yet, and we won’t know anything definative before he gets significant playing time for a full NFL season (and even then there are always lingering doubts, as there are in Franklin’s case). But that doesn’t mean people are brainwashed to be liking what they’re hearing, and figuring that he may be someone to be excited about. It means we’re optimistic, and with good reason.
Thank's coach ...
… but i’ll stick with the other coaches who’s job it is too evaluate player’s and do what’s best for the team …!!
Gotta love a woman that wear's knee pad's to work ...!!
I'm inclined to wait for preseason before declaring RJF on Franklin's level
Sure RJF has improved, but I remember thinking that he played way too high in college to be a potential nose tackle. If you check out this video ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogr1T1dyovg ), notice how often his helmet is above the offensive lineman’s. He does a good job of holding his ground, but it looks to my untrained eyes like he really needs some technique work if he’s going to two-gap and to require the double-teams that a top-flight Nose needs to in order to free up the linebackers.
I'm just not sure how much worse what Vick did than what "Ben" did. Glad he's not a Niner.
All i'm say'n is ...
.. it’s nice to see Ricky ( 7th rd ) get some praise from the coach’s …!!
Gotta love a woman that wear's knee pad's to work ...!!
Don't even try it 4 some reason people just are overly ''skepitc''when it
comes 2 RJF,i know its still early on but damm can a ’’man’’get a little shine in the ’’press’’b4 the haters come out this early ,it wasn’t like he was some slug at LSU the kids talented if he stays motivated n gets some playing time who knows.We just saw a ‘’un-drafted suppose 2 be under-size’‘DT just go into the HOF don’t get me wrong i’m not comparing RJF 2 john randle all i’m saying who knows it does happenn if people would give props b4 they get so skeptical who knows ,but thats what type of world we live in people hate ,skeptical,critical lol let me stop.
by 49er_diva_recieva's on Aug 9, 2010 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm sorry but what are you talking about?
Who is hating? RJF has not actually done anything to be considered a starter. He still needs to prove that he can play at a high level in actual games. Until then, anyone skeptical about RJF’s progress has valid reasons.
by ZeroOneInfinity on Aug 9, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
I swear sometimes people have 4 month memories
Every season they think some late round draft picks or bargain bin free agents are going to be great players and replace current starters. Then.. nothing.
I don’t doubt that RJF can be a player eventually, but there’s no way he’ll be as good as Franklin this year. He could make a play at LDE though, as I stated, because that position is so poor.
God forbid people keep a level head during training camp.
by whistlingmountain on Aug 9, 2010 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Rachal soft ,clements old ,RJF young but he's not slug like your talking about rachal is
up n down and inconsistent ,n clements is good 4 giving up a big one so thats who you looking forward 2 seeing?
by 49er_diva_recieva's on Aug 9, 2010 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Wow
Please quote where I said RJF is a “slug” or even that I said anything bad about him.
You think a back up player is going to be great, while you quickly label 3 of the current starters as bad. Now you see why I want to see how they do this year, they are starters who have things to prove. Unlike a 7th rounder who of course has things to prove. Those three are FAR more important to the team than RJF is right now.
by whistlingmountain on Aug 9, 2010 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Davis/Iupati
I agree with 9thevolution in that it’s pretty obvious it’s their job to lose at this point. Funny how it always happens this way though…injury forces rookie into lineup…
RJF, I dunno, I think he’s done well in holding down the nose but let’s not start saying he is gonna be nearly as good as AF anytime soon. I think he’s held it down and been a nice surprise, but I don’t see him at AF’s level yet. When AF returns he might have to take a few reps with the 2nd team but I think AF will be starting week 1. As far as what to do with RJF, I’d like to see if he can play some LDE maybe. Who has really shown they could start and perform consistently enough to replace Sopoaga? Why not throw another one into the mix and see who (if anyone) emerges? Ultimately I think McDonald needs to stop playin and take that spot though. Or Balmer…
Bowman, I think once he learns and has enough repetitions to stop thinking and start playing…he’s going to be very good. Preseason will be great for him and for us to evaluate his progress. Does he know his assignments? Can he read, react, adjust?
Jason Hill might be on his way out. We know Ginn is here because of the 5th they gave up and his KR abilities, plus his top end speed. Again, let’s just figure he’ll drop some balls but catch enough to keep the safety honest and that’s going to be enough. Sure it’s a shame we can’t get more out of him but hey…something is better than nothing.
I hope Zeigler makes the squad this year. Kyle Williams will make it too I think and be the punt returner unless Vann puts on a show at BOTH KR and PR in preseason.
T.Brown needs to play well enough to start, but let’s give Nate a shot because I hear he’s looking good and has something to prove. Still, having a guy off the bench who is near starting caliber is good.
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My fandom wants Balmer to be the one to step up
however, there has not been much promising about him coming out of camp that I have heard. I could see RJF moving to LDE if he shows enough (really, anyone can show me something and I’ll be happy). Then we can move Sopoaga to backup NT which may work out better for him. Who knows.
by ZeroOneInfinity on Aug 9, 2010 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions
I hope Zeigler makes the squad this year too.
I would take him over Hill and Jones anyday. Hill has talent but is hurt all the time. Vann is gone dude, he is getting cut right as we speak and did not practice during the morrning sesion. Clements has looked realy good so far this year, but I see Brown as his replacement over time.
by ericalancanty on Aug 9, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
I know about Vann
notice this was posted 3 hours ago though
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sorry, but i agree with your other points.
by ericalancanty on Aug 9, 2010 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
np
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Hill / Jones
I was very high on Hill out of college, but at this point I’m fairly confused by all the fans that are supporting Hill while dumping on Jones ( almost entirely because of Jones’ salary ). Jones is a better receiver than Hill. He’s faster on the field. He gets more separation. He has better hands ( by a large margin in my opinion ).
Unfortunately they both have consistent injury problems. Can’t believe I’m saying this, but might be better to ditch both of them and keep Ziegler. I’m really sick of having a team of receiving options that have questionable hands.
I hope Kyle Williams can supplant them both.
by whistlingmountain on Aug 9, 2010 8:20 AM PDT reply actions
Hill vs Jones
My guess as to why people dump on Jones and looove Hill?
1) Salary (as you mention)
2) Jones was signed by a guy we don’t necessarily trust (McBooFoo)
3) Hill’s actually performed well in 49ers games
4) Hill’s special teams talent, which is significant, and consistently underrated in my opinion.
I haven’t seen reason to doubt Jones’ talents, but I haven’t seen much reason to believe in them either.
I'm just not sure how much worse what Vick did than what "Ben" did. Glad he's not a Niner.
Since when does Hill have bad hands?
Where are all these drops happening? Jones is hurt AGAIN….
RJF: Good point about him. It might make some sense for him to play a bit at LDE with all of the questions lingering at that position. If I recall correctly, Soaps used to switch between DE and NT.
Davis\Iupati: Man am I glad they are getting those reps.
It would be nice if Boone was the 2nd RT this year.
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
are you kidding?
alex boone? no. barry sims and adam snyder will be the backups at tackle this year
Um, how am i supposed to sign this thing? It's a computer?!
Incredulity noted and overruled
Doubt he’s kidding. Coaches probably also not kidding giving him reps at RT as Synder’s stock begins falling against Wragge’s rising according to one studied observer. Dunno if Boone banged your girlfriend or smth, but the hatin’ doesn’t look founded in anything rational from here.
Boone might make it
9th OL, non-dressing Tackle.
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what happens when Aubrayo Franklin returns to the lineup?
Frank the Tank plays out the year, RJF rides the pine/rotates in for spot duty…and then next year, the team lets Frank go and RJF unleashes the peanut-butter-jelly-dance on the entire NFL!
I'm just not sure how much worse what Vick did than what "Ben" did. Glad he's not a Niner.
I would like to keep Franklin around
good NTs are hard to come by and they can still play consistently in their thirties. I don’t really see a reason to let him go unless he’s asking for too much money. I cannot blame the FO for not giving Franklin a long term contract yet either because he has had only one good season so far.
by ZeroOneInfinity on Aug 9, 2010 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions
I was being a bit facetious
As my later comment specifies, I’m not totally sold on RJF, though I am looking forward to seeing what he’ll do. If Franklin plays well, the team should resign him unless his asking price is waaay above the market rate.
I'm just not sure how much worse what Vick did than what "Ben" did. Glad he's not a Niner.
I thought you were implying that Franklin would be too hard to re-sign
which is why he would walk. But I agree that RJF is an unproven commodity at this point, so I would like to see a year of development before relying on him. However, I am happy the team is not putting everything on the hopes that Franklin will be the NT for the next couple of years. It is still possible that he does not re-sign because he wants too much money or he regresses this next season. I hope neither of those are a problem as Franklin is a guy I would like to keep around.
by ZeroOneInfinity on Aug 9, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
ehhh, sorta
Reggie Smith is the first safety off the bench at this point. He’s working in at Nickel in Roman’s spot, but I still don’t have a handle on whether or not they’ll bring a safety down to LB like Lewis did last year or actually use 3 safeties in coverage and 2 LB’s, 2 CB’s…
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What about Kyle Williams?
Personally I think with a little development we have a great wide receiver in this guy. His head is screwed on straight and he loves the game (he chose it over baseball, the family sport).
Vann just got waived
FYI
The 49ers have informed undrafted rookie returnman LeRoy Vann that he’s been waived, a league source told Comcast SportsNet.
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makes sense
it didnt seem like he was bringing much. But still sad to see the young guys go you know? Hopefully someone will pick him up
shame
good kid, good attitude (follow him on twitter) and I think he’ll be a great returner for someone
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In a dome stadium he might be good
He just couldn’t track punts in the wind
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 9, 2010 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions
i'm sure he played in wind a time or two in college
he just hadn’t played in the Bay Area wind. He’s a hard worker. I think he’ll be someone’s much better Allen Rossum
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any word on who they're going to pick up?
I'm just not sure how much worse what Vick did than what "Ben" did. Glad he's not a Niner.
perhaps Franklin is on his way back
or they’re signing another LB
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idk
didn’t expect him back just yet. Thinking another LB possibly with LaBoy and Brooks out. They need 3rd teamers
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post
I decided to create a separate post for this.
http://www.ninersnation.com/2010/8/9/1613587/49ers-reportedly-release-rookie
by David Fucillo on Aug 9, 2010 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions
ok
thunder stolen ;-)
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It will be good to see a few exhibition games and see for ourselves
Based on all of the beat guy blogs I have read over OTAs and training camp, Barber is lazy enough to paste together the stock ESPN drivel and is not in accord with what we have been hearing from Barrows, Maiocco, et al. According to the daily blogs, Ginn has not been dropping any more passes in training camp than anyone else, and if he drops 2/16 or 1.8/16 bombs per season in real games I think we will all be quite pleased. Nose tackles usually are 5-7th round picks who take several years to develop, and RJF has plenty of time to convince us he is Franklin’s successor at NT after Abrayo returns to camp. Ziegler as a WR/KR could easily outplay Hill/Jacobs for a roster slot if reports of coaching pleasure with his route running and hands are accurate. Davis as starting RT….I don’t think so as of game #1; Iupati starting in game #1 depends on how well he pass blocks in a real game. Brown over Clements…not if the reports of how well Nate is playing this camp are true.
many counter-examples to this
Nose tackles usually are 5-7th round picks who take several years to develop
You might be right about the “years to develop” part, but not about the 5th to 7th round part. Looking at the top NTs in the league you see a different story.
Kris Jenkins (NYJ): pick 44 overall
Haloti Ngata (Bal): pick 12 overall
Vincent Wilfork (NE): pick 21 overall
Casey Hampton: pick 19 overall
Shaun Rogers: pick 61 overall
Jamal Williams: 2nd round (supplemental)
I'm just not sure how much worse what Vick did than what "Ben" did. Glad he's not a Niner.
Haloti is going to get paid next season
Haloti is the best DT/NT in the league. Wish we had him on the Niners
maybe a 3rd?
that’s my best guess
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why would they trade him, though?
when they’ve got him at market price and would have first dibs on him if he performs on the same level as he has—or better—in the past?
They’d have to be really high on RJF…and then you’d have to ask, who’s RJF’s backup?
I'm just not sure how much worse what Vick did than what "Ben" did. Glad he's not a Niner.
also, a 3rd seems cheap
for a proven NT.
I'm just not sure how much worse what Vick did than what "Ben" did. Glad he's not a Niner.
pending a CBA
and based on the bargains had this year…it just sounded right
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3rd is way cheap for a NT
Especially a proven starter.
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what was the highest pick given up this off-season and for whom?
I honestly don’t remember
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Cromartie was traded to the Jets for a conditional 3rd
Boldin was traded for a 3rd and a 4th, Raiders gave up a 3rd for Kamerion Wimbley.
How could we forget the Seahawks giving up the bank for a 3rd string QB? They swapped 2nd round picks this year and gave up next year’s 3rd.
Biggest trade is the Eagles shipping McNabb to the ’Skins for a 2nd round pick, and a conditional 4th (becomes 3rd if McNabb goes to the Pro-bowl or Redskins win at least 9 games)
One way to look at the absurdity of the Seahawks trade—they gave up almost as much for a 3rd string QB as the Redskins did for a possible HOFer.
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see, I read all that
and my 3rd rounder for AF doesn’t sound like that much of a longshot…maybe throw in a 5th.
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We should get at least a conditional 4th
WE can’t trade him ’til he signs
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Who's available at OLB?
cause LaBoy, Burnett, and Brooks are all out of practice as of now. Now Heitmann is being carted off too…
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i mean, F.A.'s
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Burnett injured
the beat writers were off on a few tweets today.
Wondering what rookie or otherwise cheap F.A. OLB’s are out there for camp bodies since we’re dropping like flies
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All these injuries are adding up and we still have 4 weeks of this stuff.
We might have to get Vann again to play OLB by the start of the season.
by ericalancanty on Aug 9, 2010 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
lmao
he’d do it too!
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It looks like he was playing OLB on the one defensive play in his highlight reel
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Looks like we have an OLB signing
RT from Maiocco:
The 49ers have agreed to contract terms with free-agent OLB Bruce Davis, a source said.
Here’s a little bit about him. Basically has camp body written all over him. I think I would have been a lot happier with Kevin Basped.
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Oops
http://www.nfl.com/players/brucedavis/profile?id=DAV196782
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Hope this isn't another addition to the list
Maiocco tweeted this an hour ago.
Josh Morgan getting examined by team trainers after collision with Goldson.
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no he's fine
just jammed his neck
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Maiocco tweeting that Balmer isn't at practice
He’s not injured, not at practice, which is unusual.
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More weirdness
MM follows up with news that Balmer is in the building and that Singletary says that he and Balmer “have to talk”.
Do we have another roster move coming soon?
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