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49ers Training Camp Open Open Thread: Injuries and New Starters

I was originally going to wait on posting about the 49ers morning practice until after I received the transcript for Coach Singletary's morning post-practice media session. However, so much went down that I thought I'd open this up sooner. You can also use this thread to discuss updates during the afternoon practice.

If you don't know, your best options for fairly immediate updates would be through Twitter. Make sure you check out Matt Barrows, Phil Barber and Matt Maiocco on Twitter. Normally I'd also recommend Sam Lam's feed, but he's still in Ohio after the Hall of Fame induction ceremony.

In poking through those various feeds, there was a whole lot happening this morning. Coach Singletary indicated in his press conference that the team hit a wall today, which led him to end practice early. The team had a busy first week of camp, and it sounds like players have hit the wall that comes when you're physically and mentally drained. I was going to say exhausted, but I'd imagine it's just that initial wall that has to be overcome early in the preseason. It's a matter of getting back to what you'll get used to over the course of a whole season.

The biggest issue today was probably the fact that Eric Heitmann went down with a leg injury that led to David Baas getting some significant reps at the center position. Heitmann was carted off so we'll see how serious the injury is, but whatever the case, the reps for Baas are important because of the second development today. Coach Singletary confirmed that rookies Anthony Davis and Mike Iupati are in fact members of the starting offensive line at this point in time.

On the one hand, it sounds like Snyder and Baas weren't exactly providing stiff competition. However, even if Davis and Iupati moved into the lineup because of other people's struggles, the upside is that they'll get reps with the rest of the starters (once Heitmann gets back). With those reps will come the necessary chemistry to provide improved o-line play. Coach Singletary made a very pertinent comment on the subject:

"It's kind of like a two-part thing," Singletary said. "First of all, they showed they have the ability to step in and be able to do it. The second thing is, if that's the case, then we have to give them the reps they need to be able to adjust and be ready."

Obviously one or both of these guys could lose their starting spot before all is said and done. After all, if either struggles in preseason games, the team might be willing to wait and be patient with moving them back. At the same time, I'd be surprised by that. Given the talent both Davis and Iupati bring to the table, I'd like to think they're in the lineup for good.

Forgot to include this earlier, but Josh Morgan did go down after colliding with Dashon Goldson. Barrows indicated in the link above that Morgan said he jammed his neck, but seemed to be ok for the most part.

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Martail Burnett injured, on the ground significant time then carted off. This comes after Brooks got a kidney laceration and LaBoy fights a concussion. Briggs looks to capitalize from this though the team will probably look to sign an OLB at least for a camp body. Otherwise the reps may be too many for the few OLB’s who are healthy at this point and could lead to further injuries at the position.

"They can’t stop us. Throw in our other weapons, and it’s over. What are they gonna do? There ain’t nothing they can do. It’s over." - Vernon Davis
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by Tre9er on Aug 9, 2010 12:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Burnett

sounded like a knee, of course they call it a “sprain” at first, like they did with McKillop, but MRI will surely be happening this afternoon or tomorrow AM.

"They can’t stop us. Throw in our other weapons, and it’s over. What are they gonna do? There ain’t nothing they can do. It’s over." - Vernon Davis
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by Tre9er on Aug 9, 2010 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ouch

Seems like injuries are more abundant this year throughout the league than they have been in the past.

Nice to have confirmation that the 1st rounders are starting. And with Heitmann down for the time being, maybe the team can see if Baas has a future at center and maybe re-sign him after this year. Lots of interesting developments.

by 9thevolution on Aug 9, 2010 12:56 PM PDT reply actions  

Baas

I would like him to be the G/C backup. He showed flashes and I think with Guards on either side he might be better off. It’s a matter of the line checks and the brains side of it now. Obviously he’s played there in College but this is a different rodeo.

"They can’t stop us. Throw in our other weapons, and it’s over. What are they gonna do? There ain’t nothing they can do. It’s over." - Vernon Davis
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by Tre9er on Aug 9, 2010 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

True...

But with Wragge stepping in as well and doing some work for Heitmann, it could come down to one of those two for the last spot on the OL. You also have some other battles on the OL with Sims/Boone and maybe Snyder, but I’d bet on him sticking regardless because of versatility and experience.

by 9thevolution on Aug 9, 2010 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah, it's getting interesting

and a good “problem” to have

"They can’t stop us. Throw in our other weapons, and it’s over. What are they gonna do? There ain’t nothing they can do. It’s over." - Vernon Davis
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by Tre9er on Aug 9, 2010 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Baas could probably be a great center.

Logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority

by smileyman on Aug 9, 2010 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sounds like both rookies will be starting on the line at the beginning of the season.

"Dodger fans aren’t happy when foul balls get into their section, because it interferes with their playing with the beachball"- Mike Krukow

by 49er16 on Aug 9, 2010 1:21 PM PDT reply actions  

Starting O-Line

Staley, Iupati, Bass, Chilo, Davis

That’s a Massive Squad right there GORE is going to be the TOP RB in the league

by EcERyda69 on Aug 9, 2010 1:30 PM PDT reply actions  

... and YOUNG

Some might see that as a bad thing but I’m seeing visions of yearly home playoff games for the next decade. mmmmmmm…

Tinman

by Tinman17 on Aug 9, 2010 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Willis on Jim Rome is Burning on ESPN right now

"Dodger fans aren’t happy when foul balls get into their section, because it interferes with their playing with the beachball"- Mike Krukow

by 49er16 on Aug 9, 2010 1:39 PM PDT reply actions  

Starting o-line

to me this is better staley, Iupati, Heitmann, Rachal, Davis, with Baas and Heitmann sharing the load at C throughout the season.

by Lyken84 on Aug 9, 2010 1:42 PM PDT reply actions  

hmm..

I wonder if that would cause a problem though.. It doesn’t seem like a good idea to be 2 guys in and out of the C position throughout the year.

by StevenC on Aug 9, 2010 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

generally, no

you want chemistry between them so they can help each other out, know each other’s strengths and weaknesses, etc. Baas is a nice insurance policy though for G/C as Heitmann is slightly older than Baas.

"They can’t stop us. Throw in our other weapons, and it’s over. What are they gonna do? There ain’t nothing they can do. It’s over." - Vernon Davis
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by Tre9er on Aug 9, 2010 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cut dates

August 31 — Rosters cut down to 75 player maximums.

September 4 — Rosters cut down to 53 player maximums.

6 days to go! Don't care if it's preseason, we get to see our team play again baby!

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by Mangoman on Aug 9, 2010 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kewl thank's ...

… dang , that’s 22 player’s five day’s after the first cut …!!

Gotta love a woman that wear's knee pad's to work ...!!

by Edggy on Aug 9, 2010 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe center is a good place for

David Baas. At least it is less likely he’ll jump offsides on every third down. With all that weight he should be able to push nose tackles off the ball.

by Pat Willie on Aug 9, 2010 2:02 PM PDT reply actions  

From Maiocco

Bowman continues to be unblockable when blitzing up the middle …

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 9, 2010 2:05 PM PDT reply actions  

Hmmmm...

… kind of a double edge sword …. good for him , bad for the O Line …!!

Gotta love a woman that wear's knee pad's to work ...!!

by Edggy on Aug 9, 2010 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's a specialty of this defense

Justin Smith forces the RG to the outside, the ROLB (or LOLB, depending on the play) stunts to the middle untouched. Meanwhile the center is busy handling the NT.

Logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority

by smileyman on Aug 9, 2010 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Naw he's talking about the running back picking him up on the blitz

He made Coffee, Dixon and M. Rob all look foolish. He made Coffee, M. Rob and Dixon all completely whiff then completely pancaked Coffee the second time. He lit Dixon up hard the other time too.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Aug 9, 2010 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think he's stunting around the edge, crossing the OLB

"They can’t stop us. Throw in our other weapons, and it’s over. What are they gonna do? There ain’t nothing they can do. It’s over." - Vernon Davis
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by Tre9er on Aug 10, 2010 6:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

He's blitzing up the middle

which if he’s doing that it’s most likely the play I described above (Lawson does it ALL the time). If it’s not that play than Manusky’s got something new up his sleeve.

Logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority

by smileyman on Aug 10, 2010 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

reading fail on my part

I meant to say when he blows up the RB he’s probably crossing the OLB

"They can’t stop us. Throw in our other weapons, and it’s over. What are they gonna do? There ain’t nothing they can do. It’s over." - Vernon Davis
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by Tre9er on Aug 10, 2010 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

?

Patrick Willis is almost always met with a RB when blitzing up the middle.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on Aug 10, 2010 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

in shotgun, yes

I would think in a pro-set there would be a play action fake and the Rb would handle outside help

"They can’t stop us. Throw in our other weapons, and it’s over. What are they gonna do? There ain’t nothing they can do. It’s over." - Vernon Davis
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by Tre9er on Aug 10, 2010 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fail on my part

When I wrote that I was thinking Bowman OLB in a 4-3 and forgot that we had him in at ILB

Logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority

by smileyman on Aug 10, 2010 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Makes you wonder

Why they didn’t put him at OLB?

I always thought he was amazing when rushing the passer at Penn St.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on Aug 10, 2010 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

they might still with the injuries!

but now that McKillop went down that messes up any flexibility there might have been there…

"They can’t stop us. Throw in our other weapons, and it’s over. What are they gonna do? There ain’t nothing they can do. It’s over." - Vernon Davis
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by Tre9er on Aug 10, 2010 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Balmer involved in a NCAA investigation

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ys-agentcoach080910

"Dodger fans aren’t happy when foul balls get into their section, because it interferes with their playing with the beachball"- Mike Krukow

by 49er16 on Aug 9, 2010 2:11 PM PDT reply actions  

Alex Smith about Vernon Davis
“As big and physical as he is and as fast as he is, to call him a unique guy is an understatement,” Smith said. “You can’t practice it. During the week, guys can’t get a look at how fast he is. You can scout team, whatever, you can’t get a look at that. So all of a sudden they see it on game days and it’s a different deal.”

From Mike Sando http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/20997/vernon-put-your-horseshoes-on

by EcERyda69 on Aug 9, 2010 2:19 PM PDT reply actions  

And the injury woes continue

Tweet from Maiocco:

Source tells CSN Bay Area 49ers center Eric Heitmann will miss 6 to 8 weeks with a broken left fibula.

6 days to go! Don't care if it's preseason, we get to see our team play again baby!

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by Mangoman on Aug 9, 2010 2:50 PM PDT reply actions  

from Barrows
The 49ers have agreed to contract terms with free-agent OLB Bruce Davis, a source said. about 3 hours ago via TweetDeck

by EcERyda69 on Aug 9, 2010 6:25 PM PDT reply actions  

Who's Bruce Davis & what's his story ...!!

Gotta love a woman that wear's knee pad's to work ...!!

by Edggy on Aug 9, 2010 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

this

i’m trying to find out something about him, beyond just where he’s played…ie. strengths, weaknesses. I know he’s a camp body but with the injuries we have to pay attention because you never know who else could go down…

"They can’t stop us. Throw in our other weapons, and it’s over. What are they gonna do? There ain’t nothing they can do. It’s over." - Vernon Davis
Let's talk on Twitter

by Tre9er on Aug 10, 2010 6:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

http://warroomreport.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=192&Itemid=1

http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?prospect_id=1235

Here are the only two links I could find.

Being a third round pick of the Steelers who is a pretty decent drafting team, Davis probably has some potential. He’s got a motor so I do have to wonder if he’s not physically able to hold the position or he’s not getting the other aspects of OLB outside of rushing the passer.

by ZeroOneInfinity on Aug 10, 2010 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

they also resigned brandon Long, Mich. St

"They can’t stop us. Throw in our other weapons, and it’s over. What are they gonna do? There ain’t nothing they can do. It’s over." - Vernon Davis
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by Tre9er on Aug 10, 2010 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Martail Burnett waived

"They can’t stop us. Throw in our other weapons, and it’s over. What are they gonna do? There ain’t nothing they can do. It’s over." - Vernon Davis
Let's talk on Twitter

by Tre9er on Aug 10, 2010 9:26 AM PDT reply actions  

Still saving that spot for Franklin, huh?

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on Aug 10, 2010 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm wondering how bad Burnett's injury was

because he was on crutches when he left, which doesn’t sound like a minor injury only requiring a few days out.

"They can’t stop us. Throw in our other weapons, and it’s over. What are they gonna do? There ain’t nothing they can do. It’s over." - Vernon Davis
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by Tre9er on Aug 10, 2010 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nah

whenever Franklin shows up they’ll just waive someone else

Logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority

by smileyman on Aug 10, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think we're at 79 right now though

"They can’t stop us. Throw in our other weapons, and it’s over. What are they gonna do? There ain’t nothing they can do. It’s over." - Vernon Davis
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by Tre9er on Aug 10, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

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