49ers vs Chargers: Five Questions with Bolts from the Blue
As we move into the 2010 regular season I am always looking for different ways to learn more about the 49ers weekly opponent. Thus far this preseason we've exchanged FanPosts where each blogger does a Q&A with fans on the site. This week, with the shortened week, we're mixing things up and going with an old standby, the exchange of five questions. John, of Bolts from the Blue, sent me five questions the answers to which he'll be posting at some point later today. In the meantime, he was kind enough to answer my five questions about his Chargers.
The Chargers are an annual preseason opponent of the 49ers and since they generally are the fourth and final preseason opponent, we can never really take too much from the games. Nonetheless, the Chargers are always an interesting team that will be in the playoff hunt again in 2010.
NN: What are the Chargers hoping to get out of this final preseason game? To put it another way, will starters see a lot of playing time (or even any playing time), what positional battles are still to be determined?
Bolts: You will probably see Philip Rivers, Antonio Gates, Ryan Mathews and the rest of the starters for one series on Thursday. It will mostly be to keep the rust off and to try some things. Basically, they want to make sure this "new" offense works as well as they think it does. The defensive starters might be in for more than one series since they have more things to work on (they haven't looked very good), but they'll most likely be out by the second quarter.
Strong Safety, which wasn't even supposed to be a battle, has turned into one. Steve Gregory went from being the "3rd down SS" to what seems like the full-time starter until rookie Darrell Stuckey starts playing better. Another good showing by Gregory and bad showing by Stuckey, and the rookie will see a lot more of the bench than he was expecting. I believe all of the other positions are locked up. Kevin Burnett started last year as the starting ILB and eventually lost his job to Brandon Siler, but this year went right back into the starter's role and nobody is certain why. Siler has looked nothing like the 2009 player that was earning a reputation as a big hitter, but a great game from him in SF could get the coaches rethinking that spot. Buster Davis has essentially locked up the slot WR role, but the better game he has (and the more he shows a newfound ability to stay healthy while taking hits) the bigger role he'll receive in the offense this season.
Join John and I after the jump for a few more questions and answers...
NN: What rookies and/or second year players have caught your attention for the first time in training camp and are worth keeping an eye on during the game?
Bolts: Seyi Ajirotutu has got the town talking (and trying to quickly learn how to pronounce his name). He was signed as an undrafted free agent out of Fresno State for two main reasons: He has the size that this offense covets in their WRs (6'3", 211lbs.) and he was Ryan Mathews' best friend/roommate in college. He was seen as a "raw project" that could make the practice squad with a good camp. Instead, he's had one of the best preseasons of anyone on the team and has taken giant steps forward in his progression each week. He has essentially forced the team to create a spot on the roster for him (which means veteran Josh Reed is probably gone), and continues to look like a professional WR week-in and week-out. He will get a ton of passes thrown his way against the 49ers, and everyone is sitting on the edge of their seats to see what he does with them.
NN: What's the story for you guys at running back with the drafting of Ryan Mathews, the departure of Tomlinson, Sproles making serious money for a 3rd down back, and Jacob Hester seeming solid at the goal line?
Bolts: I've complained over the last few seasons about how boring the running game for the Chargers has been. Hand the ball off to LaDainian Tomlinson, occasionally throw it to Darren Sproles, call the draw to Sproles every so often. It wasn't versatile. Neither guy has the power to fight through tackles and therefore the team was left with limited options as to what they could do on the ground. This year the team has quietly overhauled their half-back situation.
Ryan Mathews was drafted and looks like a sure-thing for Rookie of the Year if he continues to play the way he has in the preseason. His mix of size, speed and strength is simply stunning, and he will get the bulk of the Chargers carries. Just by having a guy that can fight through tackles like him, the running game already has become more versatile. Add in Mike Tolbert, who was an UDFA RB/FB from Coastal Carolina in 2008 that won the starting FB job from Jacob Hester and then showed his skills as the only power RB on the team late in games in 2009, will get a fair amount of carries and will be the "goal line back". Now we have two power RBs, and they both have fantastic hands as well. Add Darren Sproles to the mix and you now see how this running game can do a little of different things.
Jacob Hester has had a bit of a roller-coaster career. A.J. Smith traded up to grab him in 2008, thinking he could be both the starting FB and the backup RB (kindof like Tolbert is this season). He flamed out as both in preseason, only to be handed the FB job when Tolbert was injured in 2008. He did surprisingly well and was again penciled in as the starter in 2009, only to lose his job to Tolbert once again in the preseason. He made up for it by becoming the best Special Teams player and had a few key, game-winning type plays made in that phase of the game. So far in 2010, Hester has looked fantastic as a runner (which has been a big surprise) and, strangely enough, has spent most of his time as the #1 FB even though that is supposed to be Tolbert's job. I still think Tolbert starts the season as the starting FB, but Hester seems like he may have finally grown into the player that he was drafted to be (good runner, blocker, receiver and special teamer), and that can only help this team and this running game.
NN: Is Norv Turner feeling heat after his first round exit this past year? What is the general consensus opinion on Turner in San Diego?
Bolts: I don't think so. Most of the head from that game has been placed on Nate Kaeding, Antonio Cromartie and Vincent Jackson (who not only had a boneheaded, poorly-timed "Unsportsmanlike Conduct" penalty called against him, but was also arrested on his way to the game for driving with a suspended license). Norv didn't really screw up anything in losing that game, the Jets were simply the worst matchup for them. Norv's regular season and playoff records are the best for any Chargers coach (ever) and Chargers fans are smart enough to realize that while he's not Bill Parcells or Bill Belichick, he's a fine coach and the best one to roam the San Diego sidelines in a long time. It's taken him a few years to win everybody over, but I think the general consensus in San Diego has shifted from having no faith in him to thinking that we may have ourselves a coach that could lead us to a championship.
NN: What's the general expectation for the Chargers this season?
Bolts: I've been adamant about not making predictions past the regular season, and I think a lot of the players, coaches and local media are feeling the same way. So many bizarre things have happened to this team come playoff time (LT's injuries, Rivers' knee, Gates' toe, Jackson's arrests, Merriman's knee, Marlon McCree's fumble, Cromartie's stance against tackling finally rearing it's ugly head) that it would be ridiculous to say "This team should make it to the AFC Championship" or anything similar. With the schedule this team has, and with as good as they've looked in the preseason, they should win 12 or more games in the regular season. In the AFC West, that should be more than enough to win the division title and might even get the team a bye heading into the postseason.
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I really hope the AFCW is more of a dogfight this year
no, I’m not referencing any Mike Vick stuff…I’m just tired of the Chargers winning by default because everyone else in the division sucks (and can’t eclipse the Chargers’ win total, nor challenge them in division games)
Alex Boone WON'T survive on the PS...in fact, he wont even clear waivers.
Let's talk on Twitter
he’s a fine coach and the best one to roam the San Diego sidelines in a long time
I would take Marty Schottenheimer over Norv Turner any year.
I think they are both underachievers.
San Diego has always been blessed with a lot of talent, year after year, usually do well throughout the regular season but when the playoffs come, they hardly ever step up to expectations. Those coaches have never had them ready for the next level.
by DeathValleyCarl on Sep 1, 2010 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions
So would a lot of people that never got to have both of them as coaches. They are what they are, but I think Marty’s role was someone who could take a bad team and make them good….he just was never going to take it any further than that.
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I lived in KC when Schottenheimer was the coach there, and he had some success in the post-season. The teams Schottenheimer put together at least got to the playoffs on a regular basis which is better than most coaches. Norv Turner hasn’t exactly won the big one either, so I am not sure how he is any better.
by ZeroOneInfinity on Sep 1, 2010 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
I lived in KC when Schottenheimer was the coach there, and he had some success in the post-season.
Career playoff record 5-13
KC playoff record 3-7
SD playoff record 0-2
Norv Turner hasn’t exactly won the big one either, so I am not sure how he is any better.
Career playoff record 4-4
SD playoff record 3-3
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by John Gennaro on Sep 1, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Also
Marty – 21 years as a HC
Norv – 12 years as HC
Marty – 1 season with more than 1 playoff win
Norv – 1 season with more than 1 playoff win
I really don’t know how you can debate that they’re the same coach in the playoffs.
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by John Gennaro on Sep 1, 2010 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Neither of them have won the Super Bowl or even a Championship game
Also, my point was that to make the playoffs, you have to have a good team, which Schottenheimer is good about doing. It’s still questionable whether Turner can do that when he had very little success with the Redskins and Raiders.
Marty = 200-126-1 (career regular season)
Norv = 90-98-1 (career regular season)
Even so, Schottenheimer built the current Chargers team, yet Turner hasn’t turned that team into winners either. I don’t know how being 4-4 in the playoffs without winning a championship is a ringing endorsement for Turner as the best coach the Chargers have had in a long time.
by ZeroOneInfinity on Sep 1, 2010 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Not being able to win with the Redskins and Raiders hardly makes Norv a bad coach. Those are tough tasks for any coach. And actually, 4 of his 7 years in Washington his team finished with a winning record.
I don’t know how being 4-4 in the playoffs without winning a championship is a ringing endorsement for Turner as the best coach the Chargers have had in a long time.
It’s certainly better than being 0-2 and looking completely lose/scared in those two games.
It’s fairly simple….we’re happy with progress. Marty couldn’t get out of the first round in either of his two tries. Norv has won the first game 2 out of the 3 times he’s been there as coach of the Chargers. That’s what he was hired for, and that’s what he has done.
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by John Gennaro on Sep 1, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
lost*
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by John Gennaro on Sep 1, 2010 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm sorry if I made it sound like I was calling Norv a bad coach
because that is not what I intended. He’s not a bad coach. I would put him as an above average NFL coach. However, I would not put him above Schottenheimer just yet and it’s alright that you do. I would just rather have Schottenheimer who knows how to build franchises that can consistently go to the playoffs. I also don’t blame SD’s front office going the direction of letting go Schottenheimer to try to grab a coach that can make a deep playoff run. Personally, I would have waited a year since the Chargers were coming off a 14-2 season, but I guess they wanted to win now.
I’m too lazy to do the research, but maybe you can let me know how often front offices make that kind of move and how effective teams are with that new coach. I would guess this is not the first instance, but I’m just guessing.
by ZeroOneInfinity on Sep 1, 2010 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I appreciate the clarification. Allow me to provide some of my own.
As for why Marty left, it wasn’t entirely about the playoff loss. Actually, it had very little to do with that. After that playoff loss, the team lost OC Cam Cameron and DC Wade Phillips to Miami and Dallas. In trying to replace the coaching staff (weeks after most of the open HC jobs had been filled), AJ Smith wanted to go after Norv Turner for the open Offensive Coordinator spot. He was a known commodity and had success in San Diego a couple years before that as the OC. AJ also wanted to hire Ted Cottrell, a “master” of the 3-4 defense and his DC while in Buffalo, as the Defensive Coordinator.
Marty had other plans, saying that the only OC he would be willing to work with was his son Brian Schottenheimer, who had been very mediocre in his first year as OC of the Jets. He also wanted to hire his brother Kurt Schottenheimer, who was a secondary coach for a Packers team that wasn’t very good (8-8, 24th in defense), as the Defensive Coordinator.
Marty’s stance and stubbornness on these two issues, which were obvious ploys by him to try and help out family members and get some guys on the coaching staff on his side in his ongoing war against AJ Smith, is what eventually led to Dean Spanos (Chargers owner) to fire Marty.
With no great HC candidates left on the market at that point, the Chargers interviewed Norv, Ron Rivera (coming off a run to the SB as DC of the Bears) for the job after hiring Cottrell to run the D. Ron took a job as the team’s Linebackers Coach to get away from Lovie Smith (with whom he was fueding) and also to learn the 3-4 defense before eventually taking over as DC (which he is now).
Norv was more impressive in his meetings with the team and offered a track record of QB development that couldn’t be denied, which was enticing with Rivers already looking like the future leader/captain/star/face of the team.
So it’s not so much the “Marty was fired because he couldn’t win in the playoffs” story that is usually told. It was more the “Marty was fired because he put his personal feelings above the success of the team and pissed off the ownership in the process” story that nobody likes to tell.
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Thanks for the clarification
It sucks when coaches and players let personal things get in the way of their professional career.
I seem to remember rumors about Marty’s personal life hurting his relationship with Carl Peterson which is why Marty resigned from the Chiefs. But I am not sure any truth surfaced about that.
by ZeroOneInfinity on Sep 1, 2010 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Marty Schottenheimer will take a bad team and make them good. He’ll also take a great team and make them good.
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by Richard Wade on Sep 1, 2010 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
For your legal future
Make it a rule to ignore grammar & syntax errors in blogs. However keep in mind that consensus means general opinion. Common mistake.
Great piece – keep up the good work.
good call
Decided to cross out general opinion from my question.
by David Fucillo on Sep 1, 2010 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Also, as grammar police
Please join John and ME after the jump.
Sorry to be obnoxious, but it’s a pet peeve of mine. (Fooch is the object, not the subject of the sentence)
Agh!
Memories from my sophomore year in high school are making my head hurt.
STFU Ms. Harris!!!
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
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by SportsChicken on Sep 1, 2010 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
VJax
does the san diego nation think he will be a charger at any point this year?
if not who ends up with most of the production, Naanee or Floyd?
does the san diego nation think he will be a charger at any point this year?
Nope. Zero percent chance of that happening.
if not who ends up with most of the production, Naanee or Floyd?
The offense is changing entirely, so those yards/TDs will be spread out….but I’d say the person tabbed to take the largest chunk of it would be Ryan Mathews on the ground. Floyd and Naanee will get more chances than they did last year (and Randy McMichael will get more than Brandon Manumaleuna did), for sure, but the team isn’t looking to replace VJax’s ridiculous 2009 season with any one WR.
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by John Gennaro on Sep 1, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
i guess i should rephrase
I know they arent going to replace VJax’s 2009 season with production of one guy. even if Vjax was coming back it would be the same. Out of floyd and Naanee who seems to have the better chemistry with rivers or who is the favorite to benefit the most out of those two guys. between the two who gets the better stat line
They’ll both benefit. In the Chargers offense, Gates and the #1 WR usually get far and away the most amount of balls thrown their way and the #2 gets about half as much. The #3 guy only gets a couple of opportunities per game. Naanee’s chances will at least triple, maybe quadruple, and Floyd’s will almost double.
Rivers and Floyd came into the league together, and spent a league working hard together as Floyd was on the practice squad and Rivers was the #3 QB. Since then, they have had maybe the best chemistry of anybody on the team and I fully expect that to play a big part in him having a big season.
Basically, I expect Naanee to reproduce Floyd’s 2009 numbers and Buster Davis to reproduce Naanee’s 2009 numbers. Floyd will make a big jump and might even be one of the 10-15 best WRs in the league, but the difference between him and Jackson’s 2009 will be made up for with Mathews.
So, Floyd. Floyd gets the better stat line.
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Damn
I have Naanee on my fantasy team
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
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by SportsChicken on Sep 1, 2010 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
If it's a big league....
that’s a good pick. Otherwise you want Floyd.
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Ok, enough of the Norv vs Marty debate
I’d rather talk about the Charger front office. IMO, it’s a Chargers tradition for the front office to ruin their own SB chances.
Back in the early 80’s the Chargers front office didn’t want to pay market value for star players so they shipped away John Jefferson and Fred Dean. Fred Dean helped the 49ers win a SB in ’81 (thank you, thank you, thank you!) while Ken Anderson picked your defense apart in the frigid cold, not to mention your passing attack fell flat. The window of opportunity closed and I cannot even begin to describe how foolish trying to save a few dollars looks.
Now it’s 2010 and again the Chargers front office doesn’t want to pay market value for a stars Marcus McNeill and Vincent Jackson on SB caliber team who could be close to having their window of opportunity closed. Make all the excuses you want about player demands, your GM has been offering backup level money for Pro Bowl players. He hasn’t even been negioating in good faith.
So why isn’t their rioting in the streets? Didn’t Charger fans learn their lesson the 1st time around? To win a SB, you have to have a star laden team thus required to pay a lot of star player salaries. I know, it’s tough but this curmudgeon small market attitude didn’t work the last time, in fact it’s never worked. Where is the outrage?
It’s not like the current front office regime doesn’t already have one good strike against it. Chargers might already have had a Lombardi in the trophy case if they hadn’t misjudged Brees. Philip Rivers is a good quarterback but 2006 Brees > 2006 Rivers. If I remember correctly Marty wasn’t thrilled going into the season with 1st year starter Rivers and would have been position to capitalize on a title with Brees. Wasn’t this debate also the beginning of the end for Marty?
It’s not like the current front office regime doesn’t already have one good strike against it. Chargers might already have had a Lombardi in the trophy case if they hadn’t misjudged Brees. Philip Rivers is a good quarterback but 2006 Brees > 2006 Rivers. If I remember correctly Marty wasn’t thrilled going into the season with 1st year starter Rivers and would have been position to capitalize on a title with Brees. Wasn’t this debate also the beginning of the end for Marty?
Please read this. It will clear up the entire Brees/Rivers/Marty situation for you and explain why Charger fans are not upset about Drew leaving.
So why isn’t their rioting in the streets? Didn’t Charger fans learn their lesson the 1st time around? To win a SB, you have to have a star laden team thus required to pay a lot of star player salaries. I know, it’s tough but this curmudgeon small market attitude didn’t work the last time, in fact it’s never worked. Where is the outrage?
Well, the VJ part of the answer is that the Chargers never wanted him long-term. Elite WRs don’t make elite QBs, it’s the other way around. Do you think the Colts just got lucky with Garcon and Collie? or the Patriots just got lucky with Welker and Julian Edelman? The Chargers know that paying a WR as a top WR, especially one that has been arrested 3 times in the last 2 years (one during each of the last two playoff runs), was not a wise move when they could easily survive without him and save money. Also, Jackson was never the #1 WR….that job belongs to Antonio Gates.
The Marcus McNeill question is a little different. In a nutshell, the timing of his request for a big-money contract came at a time when nobody is giving out big money because of the uncertain CBA situation. Read here for a more in-depth look into why Marcus isn’t getting paid the way he wants to this year.
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I would not expect a Charger 2010 recap of the Brees situation to look any different. Justifiable move … yes, wrong move … yes.
I don’t understand how you could call it a wrong move. Because of his contract, Rivers was untradeable and Brees had a Chad Pennington-like shoulder injury. They offered Brees backup guaranteed money (as did the only other two teams that wanted him, the Saints and Dolphins), lots of incentives and a chance to beat Rivers out for the starter’s job.
Please, tell me a better way to handle the situation. Trust that the shoulder will be back 100%, when most signs pointed to that not happening, and hand him a big contract….which then ties up all of your cap space?
I’ll say what I always say. If it was such a stupid move at the time, why were the Saints the only team in the league that was willing to give him a starter’s job? It was because he signed for backup money and their other option was Aaron Brooks.
It worked out for both teams. The Chargers were lucky they had Rivers when Brees destroyed his shoulder. Everyone has pulled for Brees and he’s made a tremendous recovery. Bolts fans regret nothing because we know what the situation was. There’s nothing to regret except Marty being stubborn and getting Drew hurt in the first place.
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by John Gennaro on Sep 1, 2010 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Are you related to A.J. Smith? I read your recap and you seem put all the blame on Marty.
There was a lot of disagreement in the comment section about your 2010 hindsight recap. Most notably how it was Brees who wanted to be play in that meaningless game because he felt paranoia about his status as the starting QB. I do remember this narrative at the time, not your version of Marty playing vendetta chess.
And please, the Saints did not offer Drew Brees backup money. Wonder why I’m giving zero credibility on this issue, they offered him $2 million more than the franchise tag the Chargers paid him 2005.
Straight from Wikipedia.
New Orleans made an offer that included $10 million in guaranteed money the first year and a $12 million option the second year.
I don’t understand the assertion how the situation worked out with both teams? The Chargers have pissed away 4-5 seasons of being SB contender but it’s worked out for the Saints. Christ, the Chargers have nothing to show for these decisions. Couldn’t even beat the measly Jets four years later when the entire AFC except the Colts had an off year, didn’t even get to the Colts.
As fate would have it, the team has been given a once in a lifetime mulligan with the CBA being terminated but has choose instead to low ball their restricted free agents instead of making up for past sins and taking one final run. I’m not asking to change the past but can someone down there at least raise the question that A.J. Smith doesn’t know what he’s doing, maybe never knew what he was doing?
it was Brees who wanted to be play in that meaningless game because he felt paranoia about his status as the starting QB.
Since when is that choice left up to the player?
they offered him $2 million more than the franchise tag the Chargers paid him 2005.
Still doesn’t answer my question of why they were the only team offering him a starting QB job and money….
The Chargers have pissed away 4-5 seasons of being SB contender but it’s worked out for the Saints. Christ, the Chargers have nothing to show for these decisions. Couldn’t even beat the measly Jets four years later when the entire AFC except the Colts had an off year, didn’t even get to the Colts.
Because the playoffs are a crapshoot. The Saints got hot and healthy at the right time, and didn’t have to play the Jets. Also, Drew Brees didn’t have to deal with having the league’s worst running game.
Answer my question: Please, tell me a better way to handle the situation. Trust that the shoulder will be back 100%, when most signs pointed to that not happening, and hand him a big contract….which then ties up all of your cap space?
This was not a desperate team like the Saints, they had another option that they couldn’t move. Putting the fate of the team on Brees and his shoulder was something they didn’t have to do, so it would’ve been stupid to do so.
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I do not have a better way to handle the situation
for one, what was the timeline between Brees’ injury and the drafting of Rivers? Is it Brees was injured, which is why they had a bad season to be able to draft at the top of the draft so they draft Philip Rivers? If so, then did Brees play the next season while Rivers sat or did some other QB play? To me, the drafting of Rivers pretty much said that Brees was not staying, however, I would not say that the Chargers were wrong to draft Rivers unless Brees was not injured before they drafted Rivers. So how does that timeline look? Also, looking back at that draft, do you know the possibility if the Chargers were thinking about Larry Fitzgerald?
Also, the Dolphins did offer Brees a contract, but the Dolphins went with Daunte Culpepper instead saying that he was healthier. I’m sure whoever ran those physicals are not still with the Dolphins.
by ZeroOneInfinity on Sep 1, 2010 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Your guess is way off
Rivers was drafted 2 years before Brees injury. That’s crazy, you say? Not really, because the Chargers thought they needed a QB after Brees went 2-9 with a 57.6% completion percentage and only 11 TDs against 15 INTs the year before. And if it’s possible, he looked worse than those numbers suggest. Brees himself has said that the “competition” created by them drafting Philip is what turned him into one of the league’s best.
That season from Brees gave the Chargers the #1 pick, which they then turned into Rivers, Merriman and Nate Kaeding.
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It's not entirely crazy
Competition can be a good thing. I think the only downside to the whole thing is that Brees was a second round pick, so kind of a waste for a high pick but that happens especially with QBs. However, it is an interesting case because Brees is not like say John Beck who is also a second round QB because Brees was good (looking at how he improved from that 11 TD/15 INT season). However, I was not entirely off because I do believe that drafting Rivers meant that Brees was not going to stay. So in that sense, the FO did corner themselves because while it did bring in competition that made Brees work harder and improve, it also meant that they were either going to let Brees go at some point or trade Rivers which is a horrible, horrible idea cap-wise. Without the injury, I’m sure Brees would have made for a nice trade.
Also, I just wanted to say thanks John for your continued effort to come talk with us here. I enjoy talking about other teams and always good to learn more because my knowledge of some teams is quite limited.
by ZeroOneInfinity on Sep 2, 2010 8:07 AM PDT up reply actions
After 2 bad seasons from Brees, I think they decided that needed to move on.
In hindsight, you could argue that the mistake was in drafting Rivers instead of trying to stick it out with Brees, but the argument that they messed up by not signing Brees to a big FA contract when his shoulder was in tatters is just silly.
Appreciate the kind words. I have fun doing this stuff.
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by John Gennaro on Sep 2, 2010 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Coaches have let the players choose. Brees was trying to make a case to remain the starting QB past the 2005 season and Marty’s a players coach. A young team, needing to make a playoff splash maybe they both felt another week of full go put them in better position to succeed in the playoffs. It’s not like there is rule saying the QB cannot play once the games are meaningless. Petyon Manning didn’t sit out 4 weeks last season, I remember Tom Brady in plenty of meaningless late season games. Trying to blame this fully on Marty is grasping at straws.
Brees got offers from every team on the market looking for a starting QB, the Dolphins and Saints. Both clearly offered starters money.
Let me tell you how to better the handle the situation.
A) Plan for it
B) At least make a decision before the situation is at a dire cross roads.
A.J. Smith’s entire career as the Chargers GM has been to remain indecisive until the situations becomes a no win.
1) Who franchise tags a young QB while drafting another QB with a high 1st round pick? What was the plan there? Even worse, what was the exit plan? Did Brees shoulder really force the decision, was there even a decision prior?
2) Who waits til February to fire their head coach? A.J. wanted to fire Marty for awhile. Approval to speak to Marty’s assistants had to come weeks prior to being hired by other teams and no one bothered to have a conversation with Marty what plan B might be if his assistants left?
3) Spends 2 years screwing around with a contract for LT when inside reports maintain A.J. didn’t even want LT. Took him two years to cut bait and meanwhile he loses Michael Turner cause he hasn’t figured out what to do with LT.
4) No plan for 2010 free agency. Still doesn’t look like he has a plan. Couldn’t sign Jackson without signing McNeil, couldn’t sign McNeil without signing Gates … if that makes any sense at all. Signed Gates half way through camp although he wasn’t holding out. Still hasn’t signed McNeil let alone talk to Jackson. The season is a week away and by his own dumb account has suspended both players from the 1st three weeks of the season even if by some miracle he can sign them both soon.
Are you always going to throw your hands in the air and scream what could A.J. have done? It’s not apparent he puts himself in these ridiculous, no win situations.
Coaches have let the players choose. Brees was trying to make a case to remain the starting QB past the 2005 season and Marty’s a players coach. A young team, needing to make a playoff splash maybe they both felt another week of full go put them in better position to succeed in the playoffs. It’s not like there is rule saying the QB cannot play once the games are meaningless. Petyon Manning didn’t sit out 4 weeks last season, I remember Tom Brady in plenty of meaningless late season games. Trying to blame this fully on Marty is grasping at straws.
You mis-read my post. The Chargers were out of the playoffs, not in. This wasn’t a game to “knock the rust off”. No matter what Drew did, there was going to be a QB competition the following year. Marty already announced that.
Brees got offers from every team on the market looking for a starting QB, the Dolphins and Saints. Both clearly offered starters money.
You’re right, the Browns (who started Dilfer in 2005) didn’t need a QB. Neither did the Ravens, who signed McNair instead of Brees. Or the Lions, who signed and started Kitna instead of trying to sign Brees. Or the Titans, who replaced McNair with a mix of Vince Young and Kerry Collins. Or the Raiders, who I’m sure were satisfied replacing Kerry Collins with Andrew Walter.
3) Spends 2 years screwing around with a contract for LT when inside reports maintain A.J. didn’t even want LT. Took him two years to cut bait and meanwhile he loses Michael Turner cause he hasn’t figured out what to do with LT.
The year Turner left AJ had to make a decision between him and LT. LT had just rushed for 1500 yards with a 4.7 average and 15 TDs. He was one year removed from his MVP season. Kindof hard to cut LT at that point.
The rest of your points are too silly to respond to.
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Chargers should have won the Jets game. Dumb mistakes cost them the game.
Also, the Saints got lucky against the Vikings. Favre did what he does by throwing that awful pick and A. Peterson put the ball on the ground All Day(funny this is his nickname) long. Saints beat the Colts legitimately but they shouldn’t have been there in the first place.
The issue with Jackson is the Chargers aren’t even offering a plausible one year deal. An opportunity the Chargers wouldn’t even have without the owners opting of the CBA.
If the team didn’t need Jackson they wouldn’t have put a restriction on his free agency. If they weren’t looking for a long term deal they could have offered a feasible one year deal to bring him back for 2010.
$3.3 million wasn’t a reasonable one year offer?
Why should the Chargers be punished for playing by the rules?
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I dunno, ask John Jefferson or Fred Dean about who the Chargers are punishing?
$3.3 million for a Pro Bowl receiver seems low. $5 million seems like the market minimum.
Not even close
Vincent Jackson was a top 10 WR last year. $3.3 million isn’t even close to what a top 10 WR makes. Last year Andre Johnson was the 10th highest paid WR and he made $7.46 million.
Hines Ward is making more than $5 million per.
Roddy White is making $8 million per
Chad Ochocinco is making more than $6 million per
Anquan Boldin is making $7 million per year.
Jackson outperformed them all last year.
$3.3 million is essentially what Wes Welker is making—not bad money for a slot receiver but for a number one WR and a Pro-Bowler? Not even close to fair market.
Logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority
It’s fair market for a restricted free agent.
Bolts from the Blue // "It is what it is." - A.J. Smith
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It's not fair market for a Pro Bowl wide receiver
Logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority
Again
Why should the Chargers be punished for playing by the rules?
Bolts from the Blue - Destroying your opinions with facts.
Playing by the rules
also means paying fair market value and rewarding a player who does well.
Or do the rules only work when they’re meant to screw over a player?
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I wish the Charger fan's the best ...
… been to quit a few game’s there and all in all the fan’s were kewl , lost my car there once and the fan’s were great ask’n me what color and make it was, as i went around and around the parking lot , finally found it , as it was the only car left in the lot , love the babyblue uni’s …!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's juz my game ...!!
You lost your car
LMAO
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
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