49ers Roster: Feasible that the team only carries two quarterbacks?
by James Brady on Sep 2, 2010 1:00 PM PDT
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PrintIt's roughly 3:00 a.m. as I write this, because as you all know, I can't ever sleep. Maybe it's just the fact that my mind is dulled by sleep deprivation, or perhaps it's because I've obsessed over this to the point of frying the microchip that is my brain (yes, folks, Ninjames is a robot), but I'm thinking more and more that it's possible the team enters the season without Nate Davis on the roster.
Mike Singletary really did call him out, and while his comments can be perceived as motivational and rather tame, they're legitimate words that carry an awful lot of meaning behind them. No, he didn't directly say that Nate Davis is gone if he doesn't shape up right now but I wonder if announcing David Carr as the definitive backup quarterback in the way that he did signifies that's what they plan to go with moving forward.
It would make sense to preempt roster cuts and speak in public about a player's shortcomings. If you're another team and you're interested in Nate Davis, you factor in many things. He's very young, very raw, and he has a learning disorder. That's a red flag, but it's still arguable that a team might make a grab for him on waivers. If you add, though, that this player with this learning disorder also lacks a certain work ethic and determination, don't you just keep on looking down that waiver wire?
Nate Davis still has practice squad eligibility if I'm thinking correctly. There is a distinct possibility that I am not thinking correctly, in which case I ask you: shutup. So, if it wasn't a question, oh well (Fooch's Note: Barrows thinks he is too). Still, even if he weren't eligible, I think it's a distinct possibility that the team goes in with only Alex Smith and David Carr, enabling them to use Davis' spot for someone who can immediately contribute more. One thing is for sure, we need to keep a good eye on Nate Davis tonight when we play the Chargers. Thoughts?
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Nate davis upside is 50 times better than M.rob now if he has a ''lazyness''problem
then all 4 letting him go,thats why tonight is important 4 nate davis i hope he gets more than 1 quater 2 prove his worth let him play 3 n 4th quater.
by 49er_diva_recieva's on Sep 2, 2010 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions
M-Rob
is an amazing QB waiting in the wings
by mr. instigator on Sep 2, 2010 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions
You're nuts man
But in a good way. Too much seriousness around here can’t be a good thing.
(Do I dare say) Seriously though, when was the last time we had to go to a 3rd string (not emergency QB) in a game? I’ve been looking it up and can’t find anything. And in 2008 we only had two QB’s on the roster all year. It’s totally feasible barring injury to keep two QB’s on the roster. I’d be ok with keeping Davis on the PS and giving somebody worthy like Miller a chance to make plays on ST’s.
27 da. . .Shut up mango :P
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To clarify, when was the last time we had a 1st and 2nd string QB go down in a game and have to bring in a 3rd stringer?
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And it that did happen....
M-Rob running the Taser the rest of the game lol….i mean he did go 12-1 the only year he got to start at QB in college
by sanfranfanmdk on Sep 2, 2010 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Smith's first year.. all the QBs ahead of him went down. Also a couple years ago when Smith and his backup and then Hill all went down.
Mind you, that was not all in one game but if you only carry 2 QBs you may not have your choice in the PS.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
IF by some stroke of lightning
we DO keep two QB’s that spot better go to “BOONE”
"Moving Forward."
by L. J on Sep 2, 2010 1:06 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I doubt it
The only way I see that happening is if he really stinks up the place tonight.
"If you don't love it, leave it! USA, number one!" - Ricky Stanzi
I hope he does
and we bring in Jeff Garcia!
by mr. instigator on Sep 2, 2010 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
UFL?
Ddin’t he sign with a UFL team already?
"If you don't love it, leave it! USA, number one!" - Ricky Stanzi
Yes he did, and i don’t know how hard the contracts are to get out of, but I would love to see Garcia as backup and N.Davis as 3rd string..Maybe Garcia can straighten this young pup out..
Founder of team Omté Caspeen
I was never a fan of Garcia
but I would galdly take him over Carr.
"If you don't love it, leave it! USA, number one!" - Ricky Stanzi
HAHAH YOU DON'T LIKE JEFF GARCIA!!
THEN YOU ARE NO NINJA!!! GARCIA REPRESENTS NINJA QBing AT ITS FINEST!
Isn't Garcia the last 49er QB to take the team to the playoffs?
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Sounds about right
Why is it that Garcia has a habit of taking teams to the playoffs and getting cut the next year?
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by Haggardninja on Sep 3, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
I have no clue anymore.
I don’t even know when I’m instigating anymore. The line that separates reality from fantasy has been blurred beyond recognition.
by mr. instigator on Sep 2, 2010 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m not even sure there is a line separating fantasy from reality. The preseason record thing is funny but you haven’t even scratched the surface.
You're right
I want to dig the surface out, deep. Thank you for challenging me to push myself to the limits and dig the surface out hard, boner style. I’m ready to take the next step.
by mr. instigator on Sep 2, 2010 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Does Nate have what it takes to be a “Slash” style of player with wildcats and such? The guy has some athletic tools, that’s for sure.
by Rod Blogojevich on Sep 2, 2010 1:28 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
we could PS him...I'm fine with it
we have so many spots to fill with guys I think may be closer to contributing than Davis is.
Alex Boone WON'T survive on the PS...in fact, he wont even clear waivers.
Let's talk on Twitter
by Tre9er on Sep 2, 2010 1:29 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Yup , cut him and if he clear's kewl if not no biggy ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's juz my game ...!!
Im more anxious 2 know whose that 3rd reciever will be because im ''not feeling''ginn
he’s 2 ’’’Fragile’’if its a tough 3rd n 4yds 2 go he will drop it at the minute he’s popped he’s done it this pre-season n we can say ‘’well we didn’t get him 2 be a short-yardage reciever’’that may be true but it will come up sometime this season n this dudes shrinks like ‘Wet toilet Paper’‘with cnotact.I think ziegler should get that position he sales out 4 that catch n he’s grateful 4 that posistion i think ginn feels he’s entitled 2 be that 3rd reciever considered where he was drafted at.
by 49er_diva_recieva's on Sep 2, 2010 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions
If they do release him, he will clear waivers...most likely...
And they can PS him to make room on the roster for another player. The chances of Davis seeing any action this year is almost none. So if they did need him, they could always sign him to the 53 man if there is an injury to Smith or Carr. Either way I don’t think they lose him….If he goes to the PS, kiss J. Brown goodbye, only room for 1 Qb on the PS.
by ericalancanty on Sep 2, 2010 1:34 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Hahaha
don’t ever say that or else we would have never seen a great story like Kurt Warner. QB’s get hurt….a lot and the niners have always had a weak line…sure we just got 2 stud rookies but they have yet to play a full game against the pro bowlers and such.
Surely possible that more people will have seen ...
… his apparently impressive performance against the Raiders than the subsequent Singletary comments. Therefore, bet he doesn’t clear waivers if cut.
LondonNiner - member of the legendary David Carr thread, 6 March 2010.
agreed
He didn’t look bad at all especially being third string. A team like the Chargers that covet the big arm could easily take him as a third stringer and work him into a backup. I almost hope they would giving Norv a chance to save Nate’s career. I’m just scared of Alex going down. In the end I don’t care other than depth for a position relying on two rookies to keep him upright
by mcwagner on Sep 2, 2010 1:49 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Add the Colts to the list
Davis would be an excellent backup for Manning as his physical skills and familiarity with our style of offense from playing at Ball State would be welcome compared to C Painter, aka the human turnover. I’m not saying Davis is anywhere near Peyton’s level, but he’s got a ton of upside.
I’ll trade David Carr for Curtis Painter. I know Painter is a turnover machine but at least he puts the ball in the air.
Only when he (Painter) does not leave the ball on the ground for the other team to pick up and jog into the endzone.
I dont want Painter
If Painter is so bad why won’t they give Tom Brandstater a shot?
by mcwagner on Sep 2, 2010 3:30 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Give us
An autographed, game-worn Peyton Manning jersey and we’ll give you Nate Davis.
by mr. instigator on Sep 2, 2010 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Thank you you ''Nailed it''becuzz it could happen n im not sure i want 2 be stuck
with carr 2 run the offense becuzz he can get ‘’shell shocked or gun shy’’as far nate he makes plays down field he scrambles n makes plays with his feet.If we just take 2 QBs into the season were setting ourselves up if anything was 2 happen 2 alex look back n all we got is carr WTF lol im not totally sold on carr like that.
by 49er_diva_recieva's on Sep 2, 2010 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Insane.
No offense intended, but this is just insane. Why would the 49ers even contemplate releasing somebody with as much upside as Nate Davis? Personally I think the question about his work ethic has been blown well out of proportion. I don’t think Singletary really referred to his work ethic, but rather, to his study of the actual playbook. People have taken his comments out of context and made it out to be that Nate Davis is lazy or Nate Davis does not have a good work ethic.
The same sort of misrepresentation occurred just yesterday when the Davis-Crabtree confrontation was taken well out of context. Even though Singletary did not say the things the media says, people are still speculating on the basis of nothing.
Singletary questioned his work ethic, and I’m not even advocating the move, just a topic for discussion.
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by James Brady on Sep 2, 2010 3:36 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Thats why we ''play the game''n tonight that all N.Davis can do is go out there n play hard
make good plays n smart plays talent wise he’s ‘’right there’’just got 2 show he has the work ethic 2 make the team.
by 49er_diva_recieva's on Sep 2, 2010 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Right-ON!
and I also think that when Singletary doesn’t like his players, they will get blasted ! ! ! I mean how did this guy do so very well last year in all categories expected of a quarterback to …. he’s either gotten lazy or is slow to learn ? ? ? Unless, my eyes are playing tricks on me, he looks better than the other two. And to top it off, Carr has hardly played and he’s handed the back-up job ? And to hear the coach say these negative things about Davis ? ? ? this is all crap, and when Davis continues to perform well, the coach will not be satisfied and btw…..really it’s time for M Robinson to move on ?
JeffJetLi
Yup , Sing's the type to placate his player's ... ( NOT ) ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's juz my game ...!!
I'm glad someone is finally saying it
We got guys at LB, OT and maybe even DE that need to stick around. I’m not Alex Smith’s biggest fan (at best he is average), but Nate Davis does not appear to be the future.
He has more of a future than Carr right now. Sing said he does not have confidence in Carr
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
At least Carr knows the system
apparently no one has that kind of confidence in Nate Davis.
by asmithisaverage on Sep 2, 2010 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions
How do you know how much of the ''offense''he knows who has came out pubicly
n said that n.davis only knows this much of the offense or are you just going on hiis reputation the learning dis-order they say ‘he has ’’they say they’’thats what i want 2 know????
by 49er_diva_recieva's on Sep 2, 2010 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Im just glad i can see the game the same night 2yrs in a row that they played oakland
n i had 2 wait a full 24hrs n some 2 catch it on NFL network it comes on late tonight but not that late 10pm?,thats why im going stop smoking that ‘’biz markie’’around 7;30 no later than 8;00pm or i will be sleep do got hd tivo if i do damm i love football
by 49er_diva_recieva's on Sep 2, 2010 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions
what gives you that inpression
Things people have said…i have no clue personally but if you look at his stats it seems to me everything you are saying is quite contrite.
Not Probable, but slight possibility
I can’t see the 49ers keeping only two QBs, that just isn’t done often these days in the NFL. Plus it isn’t like they have “ironman” Favre or Manning under center, Smith has had his share of injuries.
It is possibly that we keep only two QBs on the current roster. Singletary isn’t happy with the backup QB situation, and silently I think that has more to do with Carr than Davis as Singletary isn’t even ready to play the 2nd year QB as of yet. His thinking could be more like this: If Smith goes down am I comfortable with Carr starting? The answer is probably no! So we could be looking at a Leinert, Collins, Garcia, Johnson etc… Or who may be available come final cuts and is better than Carr
"He who lives on hope will die fasting" Benjamin Franklin was a fool
"If we are thinking playoffs, why not look towards the mountaintop"
I like my quote better
by nocal81(Vincent) on Sep 2, 2010 2:08 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Do you think Montana or Young will come out of retirement to play for the 49ers again?
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Well if that Shape-Up commercial is any indicator...
Montana is good to go lol
by sanfranfanmdk on Sep 2, 2010 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions
i highly suspect he goes to the PS
Dashon, Mays, and Bamm Bamm will get the record for most decapitations in one season
by MichaelClutchtree on Sep 2, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
He's the x-factor in this
I find it very odd that he was on ST last week—that’s what you let players do to earn a spot on the roster, but he’s our 4th string.
I can’t see us going in with only two QBs, but I wouldn’t be completely shocked if we cut Dave and kept Brown instead.
Logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority
OH BUT WE HAVE MICHAEL ROBINSON! HE CAN PLAY QB TOO!
Dashon, Mays, and Bamm Bamm will get the record for most decapitations in one season
by MichaelClutchtree on Sep 2, 2010 2:15 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
in all seriousness though… i cant see us only keeping 2. smith carr and davis will be kept. singletary obviously has no faith in carr, and his only real knock on davis was his work ethic
Dashon, Mays, and Bamm Bamm will get the record for most decapitations in one season
by MichaelClutchtree on Sep 2, 2010 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
KSWOF!!!
I’m sure Good ol Kory could have stepped up and played QB and take us to the Super Bowl…had he not been picked up from our PS and injured with the Dolphins. Poor Kory.
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We need drama
by mcwagner on Sep 2, 2010 2:26 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Get Some Sleep Nin
This may be a little delusional. He’ll turn his act around, I know that I though college was a lot of work until I entered the real world and had to make a living. Carr sucks and we all know Alex smith is eh. Eventually Davis will get a shot in the regular season ( hopefully not this year! ) and he won’t give the starting job back.
Tinman
R U kidding me?
Nate Davis is the best QB on the roster by FAR!!!!!!! its only his 2nd year and were down on him? he’s shown more in two preseasons then alex has shown his whole career. i dont care about the play book crap. let the kid play and you will see why he is is our future. He will only learn by getting game experience. Mike robb? Alex Boone? get rid of both of those bums and keep davis. Robinson offers nothing special to our team and Boone is still a BIG question mark. we already have 4 OT’s without Boone.
If Davis goes to the pracitce squad he is good as gone because every other team seems to be very impressed with what they have seen. what games are you watching?
Here’s the question: are the 49ers are championship contender with A. Smith at QB?
I think a lot of Davis fans don’t think so, and so the idea is let’s get the talent some experience.
For optimists, well, the real pain is that by saying start Davis, you are saying flush the season.
Reality is the 49ers are probably playoff bound this year, but they are not at the same level as Green Bay, the Giants or New Orleans. The Niners are frustratingly close to the next level, but there are some personnel problems in the way of being at that level and the worst part is one of them is A. Smith (which drives the Nate Davis fans nuts).
Reality is the 49ers are probably playoff bound this year, but they are not at the same level as Green Bay, the Giants or New Orleans.
Why not?
This is the NFL. Every year, things change drastically. Players get injured, lose a step, players take a big step forward, teams stay healthy… What’s to say that Alex Smith, Mike Crabtree, and a revamped offensive line don’t take the Niners offense from putrid to passable, thus keeping our excellent defense off the field and resting more often instead of tired of repeatedly chasing the other teams offense in terrible field position?
Say, the offense scores 35 more points and stays on the field long enough to keep the defense from having 35 points scored against them. That puts us at +121, or 3rd best in the NFC last year. Plenty good enough for “contender.” Is that going to happen? Pfft! Who the heck knows. But it’s a thoroughly plausible scenario predicated on reasonable assumptions: Alex Smith, Crabtree, and the offensive line don’t suck bollocks, stay on the field, and score a few more points than last year.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Sep 2, 2010 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions
2008 Cardinals
are a perfect example that anything can happen.
"If you don't love it, leave it! USA, number one!" - Ricky Stanzi
Umm if you think the Giants are way up there in the NFC food chain....
then the Niners DEFINITELY are up there…Eli is a pedestrian QB at best, the G’s D is suspect and their WR’s are full of a bunch of #2’s and 3’s
by sanfranfanmdk on Sep 2, 2010 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions
haha
You think the Green Bay Packers and the New York Giants are better? GET THE F OUT OF HERE YOU NOOOB!!!! THIS IS THE NINERS HOUSE AND WE ONLY WORRY ABOUT 1 THING! WHO WE PLAY IN THE SUPER BOWL!
by Sammallory on Sep 2, 2010 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
DAMN
That pumped me up! This..is..SPARTAAAAA!!!!!!!
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by Iupati_like_its_1999 on Sep 2, 2010 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Hmmm ... 'i dont care about the play book crap'....
… Think’n coach Sing does , But funny you …!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's juz my game ...!!
U R TEH CRAY-CRAY
"Son, I'm going to break you like a wild horse." - Mike Singletary
Anyone checking out the opposition - Seattle?
Surprise – both Minn & hawks start a lot of first teamers. Hawk D does good job against the run/screen. Only watched a couple series. Anyone conclude anything?
Their young safety looks Strong
not looking forward to facing the Seahwaks new young Free Safety
Let's make this simple
No. Chance.
Nate Davis will be one of the 53 49ers this year. Singletary wouldn’t scold him publicly if he didn’t have high hopes for him. That’s how it works. Coaches get mad at you when you don’t live up to your talent… not because you aren’t talented. If you’re not talented, they don’t talk about you and they let you go quietly.
Actually Sing may decide to cut every player named Davis.
I agree that I think Sing scolded him the way he did to light a fire under his butt.
He also said he likes Nate Davis and that he has a lot of upside.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
The kiss of death...
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Sep 2, 2010 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
It would make the team stronger this year,
and allow for more depth on offensive line. Specifically, it would allow us to keep Sims and Boone without getting thin elsewhere. That would be nice with Staley’s knee, Heitmann and Bass’s injury issues, Anthony Davis being a rookie…
Food for thought. Interesting question Ninjames. I would not be opposed at all if coach thinks it is the right thing.
If this did happen.
It better be Carr that gets gone. He blows.
The idea that Davis is the heir apparent
to the 49er QB positions, is delusional at best.
If Smith were not with the niners next year, for whatever reason, that would not make Davis the starting QB. Much more likely the 49ers would use a high draft pick or trade for someone. Davis is a 5th round pick showing roughly average development.
I am not saying he has no chance, but I would guesstimate his chances, simply in competition with a draft and free-agent/trade pool, as 10%, at best, of ever becoming a starting QB.
Carr has done nothing his entire career. And Davis seems to impress every time he is on the feild.
I would bet alot that if Davis got a few years of starting experience like Carr had the two would not be compairable at all.
Just my opinion.
Yeah
While I might say Davis has higher than 10% chance at being an NFL starter someday, I will say the idea he is the heir to 49ers starting QB is indeed a bit delusional.
Hell, you could even argue that Alex Smith was much farther along in his development at this point in his career than Nate Davis is right now… and Smith even had to switch offensive systems that year (2006).
Brilliant use of bold, friend.
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lol. I guess delusion is the word of the week.
I don’t want him to start for us either. I would like to see Smith do great and solidify his spot for years to come. All i’m saying is that I think Davis is a much more promising backup.
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