Chiefs 31 - 49ers 10: Mike Singletary's Stubborn Streak
by David Fucillo on Sep 26, 2010 2:44 PM PDT
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PrintThe 49ers thoroughly embarrassed themselves in almost every aspect of the game. The team dropped to 0-3 with the Atlanta Falcons next up on the schedule coming off a huge road win over the New Orleans Saints (I'm so deflated I can't even picture a trap game at this point).
We've had a million and one complaints, but many of them seem to settle in around the idea that Mike Singletary might just be too stubborn for his own good. Much of it relates to the team's ongoing offensive performance (I mean offense, but you can take that however you want). Whether it's continuing to support an offensive coordinator who seems to fall back on little creativity, or calling a timeout with 3 seconds left when you're down 28 points.
Matt Barrows posted his recap of the game and included some eye-opening quotations from Mike Singletary. Most notably, when asked if Jimmy Raye would be the offensive coordinator for the rest of the year he said Yes. Of course, he did change his mind about barking at officials as he himself admitted so I suppose he could change his mind. My only optimistic guess is that he'd rather look at the game film before saying Raye might be on the hook soon. Rather than leave him swinging in the wind he's gonna wait. Whatever the case, it's kind of numbing to me at this point.
We're seeing all sorts of quotations on twitter and once the transcript is available (or the video of the post-game press conference) I'll have it posted.
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ugh
Bend over and fart. That hot air is the gist of the postgame.
by Ninjames on Sep 26, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
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Ugh.
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by Hoopers Judge on Sep 26, 2010 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Points of the game(s)
Smith – Needs to lose the concious already, take some shots in the mouth and adjust the blocking better.
Singletary – Needs to swallow pride and admit his philosiphy is not working and let raye do what he wants with the playcalling, that’s if Raye is using what Sing wants to have done as the basis for his plays he is calling.
Raye- If Sing is not controlling your calls, kill your self, then we don’t have to make you look bad with a demotion.
Manusky – He’s fine, the defense needs rest and points from the offense.
Bend over and fart. That hot air is the gist of the postgame.
by Ninjames on Sep 26, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
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This defense gave up 31 points today
how is it fine?
Logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority
They were affected by the ineptness of the offense. How can you play after sitting and watching that garbage lol.
49ers los mas cabrones.
by 49erSalvatrucha on Sep 26, 2010 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
With no rest from the offense, nothing but punts and no points they lost hope and folded.
defending short fields all day and played a helluva first half. Gave up their first TD, due to the turnover, and i would have rather ran up hte middle.
Bend over and fart. That hot air is the gist of the postgame.
by Ninjames on Sep 26, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
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we werent playing with short fields
we were getting sliced up by Charles. How many 20+ plays did they have on us?
The defense had no rest either. that happened in the second half after yet another offensive debacle.
Bend over and fart. That hot air is the gist of the postgame.
by Ninjames on Sep 26, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
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I think what the defense did in the first half was excellent. ST's too, they were prepared.
Offense was the entire teams issue. there has to be strain on a D with no offense.
Bend over and fart. That hot air is the gist of the postgame.
by Ninjames on Sep 26, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
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Defense = Bad.
The defense was not good today. There are no excuses. I like Manusky, but as fans we really overrate how good of a coordinator he is in comparison to his peers. To me. he’s merely average with the potential to get better as he evolves in his job.
"The principle is competing against yourself. It's about self improvement, about being better than you were the day before." ~Steve Young #8
by Young_To_Rice on Sep 26, 2010 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
concur
manusky is still very overrated based off of last year’s run-stopping numbers.
Alex Smith is garbage...
Can he be the OC?
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by Hoopers Judge on Sep 26, 2010 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
Asked if he was surprised the 49ers did not turn to a spread attack earlier in the game, Crabtree shrugged. “I play receiver,” he said. “I wish I could call the plays, but that’s not my job.”
Read more: http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2010/09/singletarys-har.html#ixzz10ftLmlw7
The whole offense is turning on raye. Sing get the picture yet?!
49ers los mas cabrones.
by 49erSalvatrucha on Sep 26, 2010 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Good sign. Maybe the players will force what Sing can't do.
I survived the David Carr Press Conference Thread 3/06/2010
Credit to iaalexeeff
The New and Improved Bay Area Connections:
Alex Smith to Michael Crabtree
Stephen Curry to David Lee
Madison Bumgarner to Gerald Buster "Jesus" Posey
by Hoopers Judge on Sep 26, 2010 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
time for a players only meeting
led by Patrick Willis.
"All during film, I'm calling him Bam-Bam, like from 'The Flintstones,' because he hits everything. He is the truth" - Chad Ochocinco on Patrick Willis
Yup , and then the ( player's ) need to call up ....
Young , Lott , Montana , Rice , Craig anyone they can and march into Sing’s office and demand change …!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's juz my game ...!!
If Sing has a open door policy ...
… mind as well take that door off …!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's juz my game ...!!
The quote re Raye...
…really disturbs me, too. There’s a fine line between refusing to panic and being a stubborn ass. But committing to Raye for the rest of the year clearly crosses it.
Yeah seriously Sing needs to wake up
49ers los mas cabrones.
by 49erSalvatrucha on Sep 26, 2010 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
If there is one thing Singletary has proven over and over
its that he is extremely stubborn when it comes to defending mediocrity.
Maybe Raye can be Sing's OC for the rest of the year
wherever Sing goes after he’s fired, which should be soon at this rate.
by Bob In Beaverton on Sep 26, 2010 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions
this is coming from...
someone with a masters in sport psychology. you can be the best motivator in the history of motivation, but if you’re dumb as a box of rocks, and you’re devising game plans that reflect said stupidity, you’re going to get your ass whooped.
the one thing that underlies everything that’s gone on with this team for the past 3 seasons boils down to sheer, undeniable, staggeringly obvious stupidity.
calling screen passes when the defense is in prevent is stupid. running up the middle 75% of the time is stupid. playing a soft shell defense when your opponent’s entire playbook involves runs and short passes is stupid. not being able to get plays in quicker is stupid. failing to fix that problem after an entire offseason is stupid.
the bottom line is that when the niners had a genius for a head coach, they won rings. now, they have a self-described “non x’s and o’s” guy, and they get blown out by crappy teams. in my language, “non x’s and o’s guy” is just a nice way to say “stupid coach.”
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Sep 26, 2010 2:50 PM PDT reply actions 7 recs
rec'd
Logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority
by smileyman on Sep 26, 2010 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
What a position we are in the 49ers a couple of years ago started tuning out ''mike nolan''
after multiple disappointing seasons so out with him after we went on a 4 or 5 game slide after coming out of the gates strong.In comes mike singletey the team responds finish the season strong n the ’’brass’’inks singletery as their HC from there the team shows some good signs n the off-season singleterys makes sme changes on the staff,goes on a ‘’american idol tour’‘2 find a OC n then settles with a man who’s track record with offense is more worse then it is good,so forget about firing ‘’jimmy raye’’fire the bum wo hired jimmy raye first then give raye the ax,premote QB coach
by 49er_diva_recieva's on Sep 26, 2010 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions
he needs to be bailed out by a young genious OC
unfortunately his stubborn stupidity chased them all away
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
it was raye n lineham or how ever you spell it the OC 4 the lions,cuzz by the time he finished
looking all the good OCs was gone it was only those 2 or a nobody n i would of settled on a nobody as soon as i saw jimmy’s ‘’old ass’‘i said aw ’’shit’’this is noot good then i heard his track record then i said WTF? Why
by 49er_diva_recieva's on Sep 26, 2010 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Rec'd.
A motivator for a head coach is fine provided he finds someone who can manage X’s&O’S. Raye isn’t that guy.
Well said...
The fatal flaw that I believe will bring down Sing and thus, the team, is that he believes that talent and force of will is enough to win in the NFL. The problem with that though is that, aside from some special players around the league, everyone is talented, and most are highly motivated. This team so badly needs either a head coach or an OC who will take the talent on this team and run a system that brings out that talent while exploiting the opposing team’s weaknesses. Just lining up and “hitting them in the mouth” doesn’t cut it…
"Granted, this is not a great situation, but when all you have is lemons, you add some vodka to dull the pain..."
Im glad someone finally said it
Been staring us in the face for quite sometime now
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Sep 26, 2010 3:07 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Agree on most points
but would you say that Seifert was a genius as well? Smart, yes. But genius? Look at many coaches from last season who acquired winning records, such as Brad Childress or Wade Philiips. I wouldn’t classify most NFL head coaches as any smarter than Singletary. He is also not want for introspection as he has mentioned his distaste for the press, implying that he is sensitive to their assaults against him.
But, I would say that successful NFL head coaches don’t share one of his most enduring traits: being hard-headed. It won him a Super Bowl ring with the Bears and this trait may be preventing him from taking the next step as a head coach.
Today’s coaches require almost a fluid sense of flexibility, strategically (game plan, practice methods, personnel on the field, etc.) and institutionally (staff decisions). I don’t think he’s moved past 1985 in either sense and that’s a major problem for the organization.
by MondayMorningMontana on Sep 26, 2010 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions
i didn't say...
winning required a genius. i was just using walsh (aka the genius) as an example of the importance of outsmarting your opposition. the necessary condition is simply not having coaches who are strategically inept. seifert wasn’t a genius, but he sure as hell wasn’t a buffoon when it came to defensive gameplanning. also, since you bring up the seifert rings, they did have a pretty smart offensive wunderkind named mike shanahan calling plays back then.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Sep 26, 2010 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Also
to add to what Danny said. Seifert had some damn good coaching around him and they all contributed in a positive light. Mike Shanahan, Jeff Fisher, Ray Rhodes, and Pete Carroll to name a few. After the Sing era, I don’t see any of the current coaches shinning like that down the road.
looks like...
their 6.1 win prediction was actually too kind.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Sep 26, 2010 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Remember Bill Walsh?
With a lot less talent he won a Super Bowl with an intelligent game plan and excellent schemes. Raye verges on incompetent as the OC. And Sing has demonstrated his inability to be a head coach. Time for Jed to move on.
by Bob In Beaverton on Sep 26, 2010 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
A lot less talent?
Seriously?
FIRE CASEY "GUS" BRADLEY!
by Fearless Frog on Sep 26, 2010 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah
those early 80s teams were a turnstile of players coming and going.Sometimes Walsh would sign a guy and he’d only play a couple of games before being replaced by slightly better talent.
Mostly in the secondary until the draft when they got Lott and Wright
Fire Jimmy Raye
Yep, I said the same thing after week 1....
Singletary isn’t hard-head, he’s empty headed. He’s not stubborn, he’s just plain dumb.
The players know it too, which is why they have compounded Singletary’s ignorance with a lack of passion and a penchant for making dumb plays at the wrong time. There’s nothing worse than being led by an idiot—it just sucks all the life out of you, you don’t believe in yourself or what you’re doing. Until Singletary leaves, this team will have no heart.
Singletary isn’t the worst of our problems however. The worst of our problems would be the idiots in charge who have enabled and promoted an unqualified person to the job of HC. Until the idiots in the front office and the owner’s box disappear, we’re just going to keep seeing a revolving door of idiots because the problem with idiots is they tend to surround themselves with bigger idiots….
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Sep 26, 2010 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I would like to argue with you but I can't
If you look in the archives, I was dead against the hiring of Sing.
He had no HC experience and isn’t an X’s and O’s guy.
Yes, he has been a good motivator in the past, but that RA RA shit only goes so far. I thought the best he would do is motivate the team and also coach the team not to make dumb mistakes (not beat yourself,)
Unfortunately everyone can see this isn’t the case.
To make things worse, Jimmy Raye needs to be taken out back and shot. His play calling is predictable and no longer works in 2010.
Saddest part is Alex Smith gets screwed again, having to change coaches and OC but yet again, thats if he is still around. The kids hasn’t got a fair shake and a real chance to succeed since day one.
The 49ers only break open the playbook...
When they play opponents they know they are going to have to keep up with, touchdown for touchdown.
Against the Saints
— We saw three WR bunch sets.
— Hurry up offense
— Routes longer than 5 yards
— Empty backfields with 4-5 WR/TE sets…
THERE WAS NO CREATIVITY TODAY. NOTHING THAT THREATENED THEM DOWN THE FIELD.
As a result, they stacked the box, constantly blitzed and the whole thing came apart.
I really think the 49ers staff thought they could just run the ball and that would be it. If they even watched tape of the Chiefs they would have known running the ball was going to be a chore.
i think it's pretty clear...
the 49ers’ coaching staff didn’t watch much tape. either that or they watched tape, but are too stupid to learn anything from it.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Sep 26, 2010 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions
To be honest
The Browns did a much better job running the ball against the Chiefs. No passing weapons, no QB and the Browns RB couldn’t even follow their blocks.
i mean...
how do you face a team that only runs the ball and throws checkdowns to RBs/TEs, and you’re totally unprepared for it when they do it during the game? even the smallest amount of knowledge about KC would give you an accurate roadmap to shutdown their offense.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Sep 26, 2010 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Exactly
how many of us during the week were terrified about the damage that McCluster and Charles could do?
Fire Jimmy Raye
exactly...
they have charles, jones, and mccluster coming out of the backfield, and have you and i at starting WR…definitely smart to be playing cover 2 and cover 4 with patrick willis totally vacating the short-to-intermediate area. just unbelievably dumb.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Sep 26, 2010 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
You know whats good 4 failure? '' Laughter'' the movie '' Superbad''is coming on
n i got a ‘’ B!$@NT’’ with its ‘’name on it’’i’ll tivo the jets/dolphins game.
by 49er_diva_recieva's on Sep 26, 2010 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I was 'terrified''of jamaal same name different spelling ( jamal) but 4-real
im a big long-horn fan n he’s deceptivly quik n strong why we didn’t test their young DBs was ’’assinine’’period but im also done with alex n crabtree they don’t like each other you could see that n nothing ever goes right when he passes it 2 him.Bring on carr or fire jimmy n raye !!!!
by 49er_diva_recieva's on Sep 26, 2010 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
When Smith is so excerised about the playcalling...
He’s yelling at coaches on the sidelines about it, you know there is a huge issue. Smith is pissed, which I think is a good thing. It shows he’s trying to take more command of this offense, but Raye and Singletary aren’t giving him the reigns.
+1,000
i’ve been telling my friends this for a while. smith actually seems to be the one who has no problem hinting that his OC is an idiot. remember, last year it was smith who complained so much about their stupid offense that it forced raye to open things up.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Sep 26, 2010 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Smith is also in the last year of his contract
and like anyone wants a renewal. Who will pick him up for more than the veteran minimum after seeing his body of work here?
yep...
i think he’s being more obvious about his displeasure (see scowl + muttering on sideline at end of game) because he realizes his idiot OC is ruining his last chance to get paid.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Sep 26, 2010 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't even think it's about the money
if it was he wouldn’t have renegotiated his contract.
It’s about trying to be a starter and seeing the game planning ruin it.
Maybe Alex smith was the leak to that Yahoo guy . . .
Fire Jimmy Raye
Receivers Coach Sullivan
Wasn’t he the tattletale in Arizona?
by Bob In Beaverton on Sep 26, 2010 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Really?
Link?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Sep 26, 2010 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Then if it pisses off alex that much why hasn't he ''audibled ''out of just
one of those plays he says its jimmy plays n everyone says he’s so pissed at the play-calling where’s his ’’balls’’at audible then if the play does go right n singletery blows up on alex then it would be singletery looking like a ’’ass’’4 not letting alex have some ’’control’’can someone answer that????
by 49er_diva_recieva's on Sep 26, 2010 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
That's an easy way to lose your job
you don’t go against your coaches, even when you’re right.
Fire Jimmy Raye
Yipe
Sorry, but the Smith apologias are coming fast and furious, with at least as much validity and ability to turn ones stomach as ever. <a href=“http:// ”http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/ninerinsider/detail?entry_id=72189" target="_blank">http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/ninerinsider/detail?entry_id=72189" >This is what Smith had to say about calling the plays:
Putting the play-calling, at times, completely into Smith’s hands. That’s not something Smith would like to do all the time. “I have to do a lot already,” he said. “That’s why we have an offensive coordinator.”So a marginal quarterback with weak skills on the cusp of getting bounced out of the league is really upset with the coaches. Sorry but I fail to see how that’s a sign of character. Maybe, just maybe, if you could point me to a single Alex Smith quote where he takes some blame for anything, I might think differently. But otherwise, this sounds pretty much like a guy that reaches for the first guy he can to chuck under the bus whenever the chips are down. Of a piece actually with the cowardice he exhibits on the football field.
Whether or not Smith is capable of executing at above an average NFL level -
- it’s abundantly clear that our coaches are a problem.
I’m not sure there’s any QB who could be successful under these circumstances. That doesn’t mean I think Smith is the answer.
But people defending Raye by attacking Smith are missing the point.
Sorry, was that directed at me?
Because there’s something in there about ‘defending Raye by attacking Smith’, which i’m fairly certain I’ve never done, and certainly didn’t do above.
Now if you read what I actually wrote, it’s pretty clear the topic is Alex Smith and how he isn’t exactly fighting to wrest the play calling responsibility away from Raye, not the latter’s competence or lack thereof.
Fact is, I think there would be a greater impact on the team’s performance from upgrading the coaching than upgrading the qb at this stage. Just didn’t realize it was necessary to label any comment about Alex Smith with that disclaimer.
Well, when you start your post by referring to "Smith apologists" you're saying a lot with very few words.
If Alex Smith doesn’t think he should be calling plays, he’s the last (well, second-to-last) person I want calling them.
The fact that he isn’t fighting to call plays suggests, perhaps, that he’s aware of his limitations at this point in his career. That’s a good thing.
ever since it happened...
smith’s been my prime suspect. remember how he had his little through-the-media spat with nolan too? smith has a history of publicly calling out superiors who are dumber than he is, and are therefore ruining any chance he has to have a successful career.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Sep 26, 2010 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
From Nolan to Singletary
Poor Alex Smith has had nothing but one idiot after another…
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Sep 26, 2010 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions
You see that, I see that.........
Why can’t the rest of the people here see that?
Instead they blame Alex Smith, which makes no sense.
I'm rapidly coming to that conclusion...
People here were already suspect of Jimmy Raye, but some of that play calling elevates those suspicions to a whole new level.
From Shaun hill to Alex Smith, Singletary hasn't had much to work with.
So that goes both ways.
Bend over and fart. That hot air is the gist of the postgame.
by Ninjames on Sep 26, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
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He didnt have much to work with........
becuz they never had the same offense in place for over 1 year at a time before now.
If he had the continuity in place like Rodgers did for 3 yrs in a row, he would’ve had more to work with.
I guess that’s Alex Smith’s fault they decided to play musical chairs every year with the offensive coordinators.
How can you say that man?
When it’s so [site decorum] clear that the coaching is the problem?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Sep 27, 2010 6:45 AM PDT up reply actions
im pretty sure
theres no question, the coaching is the problem… cant keep blaming smith for everything.
Obviously
But then he goes and blames Shaun Hill too.
I mean WTF?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Sep 27, 2010 6:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Just look at the differences in the offensive game plan...
Between the Saints and the Chiefs. Why did the 49ers not hesitate to throw the ball against the Saints but couldn’t against the Chiefs and their rookie secondary?
The difference was Smith...
How can anyone tell if the pass plays were creative or not when Smith only threw to his checkdown/outlet recievers who were within 5 yrds of the line of scrimmage. Last week Smith threw downfield; he is only comfortable at home. I’m sure the plays didn’t change that much. PS- when the QB fails to stretch the field, the run game goes nowhere!
runs up the middle and screens that don't work
followed by 3rd and long with the defense deep
that was the game I saw
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
Did ''westbrook''or''dixon''play 2-day i didn't watch the game?
by 49er_diva_recieva's on Sep 26, 2010 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Why is he so F!@$G caught up with always running up the ''middle''
whats wrong with running up the sides using different RBs is westbrook n dixon hurt im going 2 sai it so please exscuse ninj n smiley,but we have ’’fuckng’’playmakers up n down our offense ut its like we barely ‘’Use them’’
by 49er_diva_recieva's on Sep 26, 2010 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Ummm ... the screen's do work ...
… for every team we face , can’t run them and can’t stop them …!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's juz my game ...!!
Thanks j-house its not all ''jimmy rayes''fault on different pass plays theres
atleast one reciever going ’’downfield’’but alex checks down 2 gore on some 5yrd play alex is ‘’scared ’’2 go downfield on the road’’
by 49er_diva_recieva's on Sep 26, 2010 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Nope , Jimmy Raye has no idea to attack a Two deep soft zone ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's juz my game ...!!
It's really complicated...
You stick a route in front of them and behind them to stretch the zone and then stick someone up the middle to really confuse it.
TaDah.
Sing = Captain of the Titanic
So much promise…but doomed by incompetence and poor leadership to the bottom depths of the NFL. Full steam ahead! Damn the icebergs!
"Careful Grasshopper ~ that's a god you're mauling." Master Takeo
by riderless on Sep 26, 2010 2:52 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Rec’d for you
49ers los mas cabrones.
by 49erSalvatrucha on Sep 26, 2010 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions
At least
it’s a dollar off on Father Murphy’s pizza on Tuesday. Josh Morgan died for my pepperoni.
by Bob In Beaverton on Sep 26, 2010 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think he last much longer calling plays
I think it’s going to go to Johnson (?). I don’t see a guy around that is a replacement available right now but he’ll probably be pretty much a figure head like with the former Giants HC that became OC of the Ravens for a bit.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Sep 26, 2010 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Do you think ''johnson''will be still running ''jimmy rayes''offense n be more aggressive
with the ’’play-calling????
by 49er_diva_recieva's on Sep 26, 2010 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions
God I hope not LOL
I hope he doesn’t run Jimmy Raye’s offense. I hope he runs a much better one with some spread and some throwing.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Sep 26, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Do you think we could ''flourish''lol flourish with another offense when weve been
using jimmys 4 a couple of sesasons orjust open up jimmy rayes playbook n telling alex 2 go deep more n using delayney n westbrook in multiple packages????
by 49er_diva_recieva's on Sep 26, 2010 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Barrows article
First paragraph, second sentence:
Asked if Jimmy Raye will be the offensive coordinator for the rest of the year, Singletary said, “Yes. Yes.”
by David Fucillo on Sep 26, 2010 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions
In Sing's defense
a press conference after an embarassing loss isn’t going to be the time when you announce that you’re firing your offensive coordinator
Fire Jimmy Raye
true...
And I made a brief mention in this post about him waiting. He’s already acknowledged he has no problem changing his mind on things. And to say, well Jimmy’s job isn’t secure would just create even more unnecessary turmoil at this point.
by David Fucillo on Sep 26, 2010 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Would singletery say that if he's the one who gets ''canned''it would bedid i lie ''i said
jimmy would be the OC the rest of the year just when i said that i was still the HC all of the year’’n that makes since,he’s saying that fresh off a loss but that fire isn’t as hot as its going 2 be cuzz i don’t5 think ‘’york n them’‘are going 2 sit back n just let ’’singletery’s stubborness’’sink this team 2 where’s theres ‘’no-chance’’2 get back in it n shit were right next 2 that.
by 49er_diva_recieva's on Sep 26, 2010 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Learn to write a sentence that makes sense.........
This kid needs help.
He is a poster boy for how piss poor the school system is today.
If two negatives equal a positive
maybe two positives mean a negative.
by Bob In Beaverton on Sep 26, 2010 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions
no problem
Just saw this comment after posting my reply.
by David Fucillo on Sep 26, 2010 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not a fan of Gruden
Some offensive minded coach but I’d prefer the team passed on Gruden. He was a bit out of control at the end there in TB.
Yes please.
I survived the David Carr Press Conference Thread 3/06/2010
Credit to iaalexeeff
The New and Improved Bay Area Connections:
Alex Smith to Michael Crabtree
Stephen Curry to David Lee
Madison Bumgarner to Gerald Buster "Jesus" Posey
by Hoopers Judge on Sep 26, 2010 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Harbaugh.
Seems appealing on paper, but young college coaches coming to the NFL are always iffy. I think the team would be better served by finding someone already in the NFL. Not a re-tread or geezer, mind you, just someone familiar w/ the pro game.
"The principle is competing against yourself. It's about self improvement, about being better than you were the day before." ~Steve Young #8
by Young_To_Rice on Sep 26, 2010 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Why would anyone want ANOTHER ROOKIE NFL HC?
We need a tenured guy. Billick, Cowher, Gruden, I don’t care. But no more Nolan’s as first time HC, no more Singletary’s as first time HC and NO Harbough as first time HC.
absolutely
if we’re gonna get rid of Singletary get someone who’s been around the block
Fire Jimmy Raye
Obviously if you can get a proven winner, you do it.
I don’t have a problem with first-time HCs in principle, because you don’t get someone like Bill Walsh without taking a gamble.
But obviously Cowher and Gruden would be very very tempting, if available.
just get gruden please...
only problem with gruden is, he always works with veteran QBs, and i mean VETERAN. im sick of veteran QBs..
He loves all the players
That aren’t on his team.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Sep 26, 2010 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions
That's true
I always laugh about him raving over just about everybody playing on MNF
Fire Jimmy Raye
But he hated his players in TB
Esp. Garcia.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Sep 26, 2010 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Gruden is extremely overrated, IMO.
I watched TB crash and burn under him.
Bend over and fart. That hot air is the gist of the postgame.
by Ninjames on Sep 26, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
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He refuses to draft young QB's
This is why he was eventually fired. Would not relent his position on something that was necessary to do. Garcia would always suffer some sort of back problem during a crucial time of the season or postseason.
Coach Boone: And who's team is this, Gary? Is this your team? Or is this your daddy's team?
Bertier: Yours.
Coach Boone: Now get on the bus. Put on your jacket first and then get on the bus.
he supposedly treated his players like crap
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Sep 27, 2010 6:46 AM PDT up reply actions
but then again, i still love singletary's motivational skills.
i know its hard, but (not counting the first 3 games this year) hes a 50% winner in the league. and will probably finish this season 9-7 (I hope). If we dont get 8-8 minimum, then we should sack him then
He's not motivating anyone
The team always looks bored.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Sep 26, 2010 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions
If you could see my face i look bored too watching this shitty offense.
Bend over and fart. That hot air is the gist of the postgame.
by Ninjames on Sep 26, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
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You kidding me?
Everyone feels exactly the same.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Sep 27, 2010 6:46 AM PDT up reply actions
singletary has done better than our previous 2 coaches
theres no doubt about that tho…
From terrible
To slightly bad.
Still not good.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Sep 27, 2010 6:52 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah youre right bud
but its been how long that we’ve been dealing with this crap? this summer was the first time i was actually excited bout the niners for a long time… just still hopin we mite do something. at least singletary has some character… i still feel he’d be ok as our HC, if we had a good DC and OC
something EVERYONE can agree on
i doubt this is still singletary’s favourite niners blog after some of the ‘supportive’ comments he’s been getting :)
I've become less enamored of his motivation skills.
That seemed like a strength at first, but notice how often the team comes out flat.
It seems like it’s very hot-and-cold with him as a motivator. Give me steady professionalism. The Colts do’t need somebody to get them “up” for games – they just deliver consistently.
Yep, experience matters...
which is why Raye and his 33 years of experience is so invaluable at the OC position…
(Just kidding).
Experience or inexperience is beside the point—it’s about competence, innovation, creativity, and INTELLIGENCE.
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Sep 26, 2010 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Experience does matter.
You just don’t want someone that is stuck in the 80s and refuses to adapt. It’s even worse when you have the HC and OC both thinking the same thing.
What about when the Ravens brought in the other Harabaugh?
Rex Ryan?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Sep 26, 2010 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions
That's the exception, not the rule.
And just because one of them is good, doesn’t mean the other will be.
Both are good
Sparano is also good.
Mike Tomlin?
Ken Whisenhunt?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Sep 26, 2010 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Wasn't Gruden pretty adamant about being the teams GM?
I survived the David Carr Press Conference Thread 3/06/2010
Credit to iaalexeeff
The New and Improved Bay Area Connections:
Alex Smith to Michael Crabtree
Stephen Curry to David Lee
Madison Bumgarner to Gerald Buster "Jesus" Posey
by Hoopers Judge on Sep 26, 2010 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
At Tampa?
No the GM actually refused to fire Gruden and got the axe along with him I think.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Sep 26, 2010 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Hmm...
I survived the David Carr Press Conference Thread 3/06/2010
Credit to iaalexeeff
The New and Improved Bay Area Connections:
Alex Smith to Michael Crabtree
Stephen Curry to David Lee
Madison Bumgarner to Gerald Buster "Jesus" Posey
by Hoopers Judge on Sep 26, 2010 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
That was strange. Auto answer or something.
I survived the David Carr Press Conference Thread 3/06/2010
Credit to iaalexeeff
The New and Improved Bay Area Connections:
Alex Smith to Michael Crabtree
Stephen Curry to David Lee
Madison Bumgarner to Gerald Buster "Jesus" Posey
by Hoopers Judge on Sep 26, 2010 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Gruden is overrrated, he had a SB team when he got there and played a team running his offense in the Sb, then he drove the team in the ground.
Bend over and fart. That hot air is the gist of the postgame.
by Ninjames on Sep 26, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
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He also turned the Raiders into a SB contender...
by ThermoElectro on Sep 26, 2010 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
in how many seasons?
That team was better when he got there, Ding inherited shit.
Bend over and fart. That hot air is the gist of the postgame.
by Ninjames on Sep 26, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
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Gruden inherited a 4-12 team with the Raiders, and in his third year they went 12-4.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
"You all are just blinded to reality by your hatred of Armando just as the Bonds haters are." -grm
And equally dismantled Tampa back into a laughing stock
after riding Dungy’s team to the Super Bowl in the first year. Thanks but no thanks.
Cower is a guy who built a perennial Super Bowl contender from an also ran, restoring one of the best franchises in sports to the pinnacle of the league and, when he felt it was time, handing it off in pristine condition with a bunch of young talented players to the next guy. If he would take the job, by god, you give it to hm.
I read somewhere upthread that Cower would be like Sing. Sorry….. what???? What 49ers team have you been watching the last three games?
Dick Lebeau made Cowher. that defense has one every SB, and he is the only constant in that regard.
Bend over and fart. That hot air is the gist of the postgame.
by Ninjames on Sep 26, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
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Yup
It took cowher 13 years to win it all and he did it on the strength of his defense
Fire Jimmy Raye
On what planet can that be construed as a knock on him?
How many titles does Parcells have per year coaching? Dungy?
That’s how it shook out. Fact remains he built a perennial winner that could’ve been a title team in a number of years, which is what coaches are paid to do.
because I don't want to wait another 13 years for a Super Bowl ring
if we’re willing to give a coach that much time keep Singletary
Fire Jimmy Raye
Luck is involved in winning a title.
Skill matters, too, but luck is important.
That’s why you look at more than just Ws and Ls when evaluating a coach. It was clear, for example, with Cowher, that he was doing a lot of things right, and built a solid foundation. Add luck to that, and you get a title.
That’s different from, say, Marty Shottenheimer, who had some bad luck but who also self-destructed in the playoffs. He was a horrid playoff coach, he choked under pressure.
So you look at those two coaches and you could see – even before Cowher had a title – that with Cowher’s case he just needed the right bounces, it’s not that he couldn’t win the big one.
Um
Cower retired two seasons ago. What’s your definition of constant?
This is the team he built and those are the coaches he put in place. Fact. Just like Walsh developed Shanahan and Holmgren to name a few. To try to suck the credit out of that is asinine in the extreme.
Here's a good title for an article
Blinded by Loyalty Mike Singletary Needs to Grow a Pair and Fire Jimmy Raye Immediately
"Untutored courage is useless in the face of educated bullets. " - George Patton
Singletary can have the fire in the world, but he just doesn’t understand how the game is played. He needs to be fired.
He understands how the game is played
but, he’s too blind to realize to go to the source of the ineffectiveness.
I can feel the ugliness and despair of the locker room
All the way up here in the Foothills.
"Careful Grasshopper ~ that's a god you're mauling." Master Takeo
despair
Perfect word. It’s beyond just frustration. On to despair.
by David Fucillo on Sep 26, 2010 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
And the locker room is all the way back in KC
Miserable. Just plain miserable. The Dirty Birds on the other hand are licking their chops beaks.
"Careful Grasshopper ~ that's a god you're mauling." Master Takeo
Bill Cowher????
If we are gonna fire Sing which I hope we don’t. I would hope we bring in a star Coaching crew Cowher and Billick HC and OC?
No
Cowher is the same type of coach as Sing and took 13 years to win a Superbowl.
Bilick’s offense stunk but he had gret defense. Basically the same mold as the 49ers
Fire Jimmy Raye
Sadly you're right
Jed’s a weenie. All he cares about is the stadium.
"Careful Grasshopper ~ that's a god you're mauling." Master Takeo
He'll prove to be a weenie there, too
Trust me, the stadium deal is going to fall apart.
The way this team is playing, no one will want to be associated with them.
On to LA.
by aranadiscoteca on Sep 26, 2010 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
That's sad to say, but I think you are right
Stadiums hinge a lot on GOOD football teams. Nobody wants to spend a billion dollars for a team in the crapper.
I actually think though, that firing Sing and brining in a SUPERSTAR coach and coaching staff, no expenses spared, would help us with stadium.
I can see it.
But only in my dreams.
by Bob In Beaverton on Sep 26, 2010 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Billick is a fantastic offensive coordinator
when he was with the vikings he had like the #1 offense. Billick is ok as a head coach but a great OC.
offense
Didn’t he have Randy Moss and Chris Carter and Jake Reed and decent QBs and so forth?
by David Fucillo on Sep 26, 2010 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
'98 offense
They had Randall Cunningham that final year. Cunningham was 35 but he still had a great arm and could move a bit.
by David Fucillo on Sep 26, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Sadly I like Billick as a candidate
He might work for this team although I also can’t stand him at the same time.
Billick no longer has the fire for coaching
that the NFL requires. After he won a super bowl and then those long years in Baltimore afterwards with no QB or offense probably ate up most of the desire he had.
He would only work as a coordinator and not as head coach.
Cowher?? You mean Dick Lebeau as the DC.
If you haven’t noticed, the steelers didn’t win without stellar defense.
Bend over and fart. That hot air is the gist of the postgame.
by Ninjames on Sep 26, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
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Billick was on NFL Network this week...
And basically said that Singletary wasn’t qualified to be an NFL coach. This coming from the guy who gave Singletary his first job as a coach.
If somebody who worked with Singletary says he’s not qualified to be an NFL coach, that pretty much says it all, right?
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Sep 26, 2010 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Sad but true.
The clank you heard was the last tire coming off.
by Bob In Beaverton on Sep 26, 2010 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions
whats's up
I’ve seen the guys play flat but this takes the cake, I could have called a better game from here, with just my radio. So the run is not working, what do you call, another run. Change now the OC….we are going to end up 0-16 with this guy.
R.L.
I think we need to really get rid of Raye!
He is killing us Alex was asking why we were running the ball. I don’t think it is Alex
He needs to get more accurate on his short throws
That is his major problem. I think that KC just brutalized our O-line and our D-line and our LB and our DB and everyone
It's been said, we need a good, young OC
Singletary should stay head coach, but we need an OC in town.
7
Let me ask this...
If we have a good OC running the offense and calling the plays, and a DC that’s currently calling the plays…what’s the point of keeping Sing as a HC?
by ThermoElectro on Sep 26, 2010 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Something that no one is mentioning...
Last year, when this team was down, the defense would continue to fight and keep this team in the game. This year, you can see the defense giving up when down by a lot.
Pointless to play when your teammates on the other side of the ball
DONT FIGHT WITH YOU!!!!!
Pride and millions in pay
ought to be enough.
"Careful Grasshopper ~ that's a god you're mauling." Master Takeo
That is particularly disheartening
Rot is setting in. Very serious business. Heads need to role now (plural as in more than one).
"Careful Grasshopper ~ that's a god you're mauling." Master Takeo
They'e probably saying to themselves
F*ck these guys. If they’re not going to score any points, we’re not playing defense.
"Too much awesome on my feet."-Brian Wilson
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
My point is that...
even on defense, they’re doubing Singletary and the staff….
Yep
The defense doesn’t believe in itself anymore, which is a symptom of playing for an idiot.
by SalmonAndMashedPotatoes on Sep 26, 2010 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions
We gave out big contracts!
And no one is showing up!! Not the players not the coaches not anyone
I think we'd be better off
If we putt Madden 11 on “all-madden” and let the computer call our plays for us.
~In Heaven all the interesting people are missing~
Who has a guy like Dixon on the sideline and doesn't play him?
Raye
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
Doesn't matter who's playing HB if all you're calling is dive plays down the middle
by ThermoElectro on Sep 26, 2010 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
gore is more prone to stick with it
Dixon would at least bail
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
And when you have Lessan Norris playing FB
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Sep 26, 2010 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
You mean MoreThan Porous, the FB lead blocker?
by Bob In Beaverton on Sep 26, 2010 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Chiefs showed today how a good FB can really help your team
but Raye will learn the wrong lessons from that and say “See, having a FB works wonders for your running game,”
Fire Jimmy Raye
Well, a good lead-blocking FB is great ...
… but for starters your guards and center have to get the job done. They didn’t, today.
If you noticed...
FB on Chiefs were moving people OUT OF THE WAY and Norris was getting stood up, or knocked back into the backfield.
New coaching staff, and I bet Lewis and Norris are first two cut.
Yeah, but even Tom Rathman at his best wasn't much of a matchup for most interior linemen.
When your line is executing properly, the fullback’s job is to blow up the linebacker covering the point of attack, or sometimes even to find a DB.
WHen the d-line is beating your o-line, the fullback has to go up against a lineman where he’s giving up (at least) 50 pounds. It’s hard for any FB to succeed in those circumstances.
I’d have to watch some of those plays again, but I want to see who it was Norris was flailing against. If it was d-linemen, then it’s not his fault, really.
Eric Berry abused that poor bastard.
Bend over and fart. That hot air is the gist of the postgame.
by Ninjames on Sep 26, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
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Poll: Who would you like to see fired?
http://www.ninersnation.com/2010/9/26/1713477/who-should-go-poll
9er fan from berlin – berlin is in germany – no native speaker – mistakes may occur
There is an 'All of the Above' option
"Careful Grasshopper ~ that's a god you're mauling." Master Takeo
Should have known Sing was stubborn
When it took him a month to find an offensive coordinator being turned down by Linehan and that guy from Indy , so he hires a geriatric with no track record of success as a offensive coordinator.
If Sing wants to be a motivator is fine, but you have to surround yourself with strategic coaches. He simply did not do this by hiring Raye and by keeping Manusky.
"Too much awesome on my feet."-Brian Wilson
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
Yup.
I think Sing could be a successful NFL head coach, but he absolutely needs good, competent coordinators and coaches. He doesn’t have the skills and abilities to make up for their obvious deficiencies.
"The principle is competing against yourself. It's about self improvement, about being better than you were the day before." ~Steve Young #8
by Young_To_Rice on Sep 26, 2010 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Wait so XO isn't a prerequisite to coaching?
by ThermoElectro on Sep 26, 2010 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
To clarify
a head coach is more about the overall strategy of a thing—the commander of a theater of war if you will.
You don’t need to know how to set up an enfilade to be a good commanding general—but your captains and lieutenantes need to
Fire Jimmy Raye
nice use of metaphor
and history
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
But your commander
Needs to be able to honestly analyze his captains and lieutenants, and make changes where necessary. He shouldn’t put loyalty to them over the success of the campaign itself.
People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~ Rogers Hornsby
Exactly
Even a great strategic coach like Bill Walsh surrounded himself with guys like Mike Holmgren and Ray Rhodes.
"Too much awesome on my feet."-Brian Wilson
"Time for the laser show, boys!"- Aubrey Huff
The team can hire Ronnie Lott for pre-game motivation.
BTW, he had a famous players meeting once where he told the team to ‘eff the coaches but this isn’t going to end like ’88.
We did know
Multiple people talked about what the reasons could be for a guy that wants to be an OC for a NFL team, turned down an OC position for a NFL team. The talk was that Sing scared him away with his dated philosophy and the OC didn’t want to hitch his ride on that wagon.
sing didn't want an OC that would bolt for a HC job the next season anyway, which he would have done.
Bend over and fart. That hot air is the gist of the postgame.
by Ninjames on Sep 26, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
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Jimmy Raye is the best OC in the game...
"We've set out to win the division. We're going to win the division, I promise you. Remember me when we do." - Mike Singletary
(Support Alex Smith)
by return2greatness on Sep 26, 2010 3:14 PM PDT reply actions
bocce ball game in Golden Gate Park on Thursday afternoons
if Luigi doesn’t show up.
by Bob In Beaverton on Sep 26, 2010 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Hahaha that title belongs to Sean Payton
49ers los mas cabrones.
by 49erSalvatrucha on Sep 26, 2010 3:15 PM PDT reply actions
I know they're not ready, but lets try
Tom Rathman as head coach, Mike Johnson as offensive coordinator and retain Manusky. That would keep a semblance of continuity for this season. Heck, I just want change as I don’t see much chance of improvement with the current leadership.
right
so we put guys in whom we absoutely know aren’t aready?
How’s that improving the situation?
Fire Jimmy Raye
I don't know that Johnson isn't ready to call offensive plays
I do know that Raye isn’t ready anymore.
Then we’re talking about who’s the interim head coach until we get a new one until we get a new group in next year. Rathman, Paraag, whatever. I’d take Rathman. We’re not talking about long-term. We’re talking about finishing out the season.
by Bob In Beaverton on Sep 26, 2010 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Keep Sing
Fire Raye, let Johnson run the offense, see if they can turn it around. If not, fire all and start over with Gruden. I’d love to see Chucky pissed in Red and Gold
Again, I am against Gruden, although i know for certain that a new QB would be here quickly.
Bend over and fart. That hot air is the gist of the postgame.
by Ninjames on Sep 26, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
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Nope
and fail. He is GM, I’m ok with Baalke at this point in time. All 8 of his draft picks suited up this week. That’s very rare.
Yeah Baalke's a good GMq
and Marathe is a good negotiator (we got Willis and Davis for far less than their market value)
Fire Jimmy Raye
marathe has done an amazin job to be honest
the structuring of the willis and davis deals, the michael lewis contract saved us salary cap penalty money (we would have cut him for sure),
Heck i would take Jimmy Johnson at this point in time or the big Tuna ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's juz my game ...!!
Tom Rathman as a coordinator of some kind
like the sound of that!
Everyone liked the sound of Sing as head coach
Now look where we are.
I mean listen, we're sitting here talking about practice, not a game, not a game, but we're talking about practice.
Not everyone.
A lot of people talked about the concern of hiring a HC that had absolutely ZERO coordinating experience and like 4 years of NFL coaching experience. Are you kidding me?
Indeed.
A lot of us were uncomfortable with it. We felt there was no choice but to give it to Sing after the team finished the season on a winning streak, because many of the players liked him and felt he deserved it.
But the questions about his football mind, and particularly his willingness to embrace the way the game has changed since he was a player? We all had those concerns at the time.
Exactly.
The other thing is that we’re all out here watching. You have to presume that the Niners’ braintrust knew what the eff they were doing. Sort of, “I’m not sure about Singletary as head coach, but they must know something I don’t know.”
Then there’s, “Well, Jimmy Raye’s offense looks terrible but maybe they know something we don’t know.”
And then it turns out they don’t.
Besides, Typecast, as much as people here are fans, what does it matter if someone did or didn’t support Singletary being hired as head coach? At a certain point if you make an error in judgment you admit it and move on. And what I thought two years ago doesn’t matter. What Jed York thinks after today’s game is what matters.
by Bob In Beaverton on Sep 26, 2010 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I really wish Jed would step in.
He’s probably scared of Singletary so he most likely won’t do anything.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Sep 26, 2010 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions
When you fire a head coach midseason, without a logical guy to take over, what's the best case scenario?
I mean, when we fired NOlan we had Sing as a logical guy to take the reigns.
If we fire Sing, who? Normally you’d look at Raye or Manusky, but neither of those two guys is exactly covering himself in glory right now.
In my opinion, the correct thing for Jed to do is something that we, as fans, won’t see: it’s to quietly make clear to Singletary that the status quo isn’t acceptable, and insist that appropriate changes happen.
And if Sing doesn’t get it, Jed has to fire him at the end of the year.
Beyond that, what does Jed “stepping in” even mean?
I meant to say:
That Jed should ask Singletary to demote Raye.
But I feel that Singletary would freak out on Jed and might even say that if Raye goes, he goes with him or something crazy like that.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Sep 27, 2010 6:49 AM PDT up reply actions
But I feel that Singletary would freak out on Jed and might even say that if Raye goes, he goes with him or something crazy like that.
It would be total chaos this season (which is lost anyway) but, you know … that would get them out of the remaining year of Sing’s contract.
Guess my fears have been alliviated
Singletary has finally realized that Raye is nothing more than a raisin.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Sep 27, 2010 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
a lot of people were nervous about it
but the niners were playing decent so they just kinda lied to themselves and said it would be fine.
It'll take Jed York to fire or demote Raye
Singletary doesn’t understand offense enough to know if Raye is to blame or not.
Touchdown Forty Niners!
Won't happen
Might bugger up the stadium sales job. The Yorks have priorities you know. One anyway.
"Careful Grasshopper ~ that's a god you're mauling." Master Takeo
The stadium sales job is already buggered up.
Would you shell out thousands of dollars for a PSL to see this team play?
I rest my case.
by aranadiscoteca on Sep 26, 2010 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions
York really has no choice.
You either fire Raye now or you fire Sing at the end of the year.
To save face you could let Raye keep the title but do something different, like let Johnson design and call the game.
But if York thinks he’s going to sell the stadium with the current collection of coaches he’s nuts.
by Bob In Beaverton on Sep 26, 2010 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions
York won't fire Raye
without Singletary’s say-so.
Unless Singletary can unbend his stiff neck we’re stuck with Raye for the year and probably looking for a new coach next year
Fire Jimmy Raye
Sing is going down with Raye
I agree.
TBH I kind of hope the team keeps losing so there is really no doubt that a change at the top is necessary.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Sep 26, 2010 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions
And we get Luck
I think Jed needs to go to Sing and just say, listen you are running this team, I will let you make the decisions in regards to Raye, but just know, you will be going down with him if you don’t produce, and do you really want to hang your career on him?
Exactly
Singletary needs to realize that this is his last season as the 49ers HC if he doesn’t make the post season.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Sep 26, 2010 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Here's some post game stuff ...
…http://www.csnbayarea.com/pages/ninersvideo
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's juz my game ...!!
How can anyone tell if the pass plays were creative or not?
When Smith only threw to his checkdown/outlet recievers who were within 5 yrds of the line of scrimmage. We nevr got to see the reciever’s patterns. Last week Smith threw downfield and we were successful; he is only comfortable at home. I’m sure the plays didn’t change that much. Get Carr in there!
PS- when the QB fails to stretch the field, the run game goes nowhere!
He had time to throw. I doubt guys were open down field and he wasn’t throwing to them I had the opposite view of Smith. Thought he spent too much time looking down field and should have been quicker to checkdown cause Gore was getting yardage when he did.
He did have time, but on plays that he did, he threw the ball like he had none.
Bend over and fart. That hot air is the gist of the postgame.
by Ninjames on Sep 26, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
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Sing needs to find a solution
Otherwise its gonna cost him his job. If he ends up getting fired, hopefully we go back to an offensive coach a la turner, but it doesn’t really matter, i’m looking more forward to an NFL Lockout then I am a 49er superbowl…
Make sure you all bring a paper bag with “Fire Raye” written on it to the Philly game!
I mean listen, we're sitting here talking about practice, not a game, not a game, but we're talking about practice.
Watching the Eagles play...
Wish we picked up Michael Vick..
With Raye calling the plays
we would get 2 more play calls. QB Dive Left, QB Dive Right
I mean listen, we're sitting here talking about practice, not a game, not a game, but we're talking about practice.
Time for David Carr to help salvage the season (believe it or not)...
He threw over 60% completions in 3 of his 5 first years (his starter years) while his horrible OL was setting records for allowing QB sacks. He threw over 60% in 2005 while getting sacked over 4 times a game. Hell, he threw an astonishing 68.3% in 2006. We need him in there for this developing line! (of course he didn’t have Raye)
Smith is the problem
every bit as much as Raye. Did you see him cowar away from throwing downfield. All he did is throw to his closest (outlet) players. and he is very innaccurate
troll
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
I'm wrong?
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
abjectly unsupported supposition
and really, since when are we only allowed to ask for performance from our qbs under perfect conditions? It’s the most ridiculous notion I’ve ever heard, yet 40% of the fan base seems to buy it. It’s like a really bad case of Stockholm syndrome with Smith- he’s just tortured us for so long with his abysmal play, some of us have gone head over heels madly in love.
As for his play today, about the best that can be said about it is I’ve seen worse. Yes the offensive gameplan and play calling were garbage, but Smith has already indicated he doesn’t want to be or can’t be a part of the solution there, so I don’t know how exculpatory that is. More to a point, there were numerous plays where Smith had all day and visibly lost his composure in a pressure-less pocket- a.k.a. got happy feet- before chucking out a poorly thrown incompletion in the second half. Likewise, the guy is hopeless as a passer on the move and crumbles under pressure, locking onto his primary target (nearly always Davis) immediately, and typically throwing a bad ball into coverage. And most of all, he just didn’t make plays.
Did he lose us the game today? Of course not. But the guy is just not good at the game and all one has to do is have a conversation with fans of other teams without skin in the game for confirmation of this overwhelmingly obvious and rather salient detail.
Years from now, long after Smith’s mediocre career in the UFL is over, there will still be niners fans pining for his long face after yet another three and out. I am intent not to be amongst that massif.
Eh. I think there's a point at which the defense of Smith is reasonable.
That is to say, even an above-average QB would struggle under in the circumstances Smith has found himself in.
And Smith has not demonstrated himself to be an above-average QB.
This isn’t about calling Smith a hero or seeing him as the savior. Rather, practically, how are we going to do better? What is realistic other than drafting a QB in the first or second round and letting Smith continue as a caretaker QB until the new guy is better than him?
RAMS CARDINALS and SEAHAWKS now WINNING
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
Good , if the Niner's have a chance to win the division , i dont wont it to be by default ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's juz my game ...!!
this is good...
more these bad bad teams win, lower draft pick next year – no QB. at least we can draft a good QB next year and have a SB run in next couple years. we have too much young, talent on this team.
anyone watching the Eagles game?
I think it’s safe to assume we will be starting out 0-5
"All during film, I'm calling him Bam-Bam, like from 'The Flintstones,' because he hits everything. He is the truth" - Chad Ochocinco on Patrick Willis
ugh
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
He might be the QBOTF for Philly
Kolb might be traded.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Sep 26, 2010 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions
What happened to our O-line in this game?
They sure have come full circle in 3 games. This is a recipe for disaster for a team whose QB falls apart when he feels consistent pressure and whose running plays are almost exclusively between the tackles.
And whom was sack'd 5 time's and running for his life ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's juz my game ...!!
Took out Snyder, put in Rachal.
I think Rachal has proven he was a wasted draft pick.
by Bob In Beaverton on Sep 26, 2010 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions
"I felt that this young man (Rachal)
had demonstrated yada yada yada…."
by Bob In Beaverton on Sep 26, 2010 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions
You still care about that?
I’m waiting for Singletary to be fired…
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Sep 26, 2010 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions
If Sing is fired so is Raye, believe me.
And if Raye keeps running the offense Sing will be fired.
by Bob In Beaverton on Sep 26, 2010 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions
That's not going to happen
If you want to get rid of Raye, you have to get rid of Sing.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Sep 26, 2010 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions
The whole offense is turning on raye. Sing get the picture yet?!
49ers los mas cabrones.
by 49erSalvatrucha on Sep 26, 2010 4:21 PM PDT reply actions
Never.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Sep 26, 2010 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions
He is loyal to a fault
Does anyone remember when Nolan was fired and they asked Sing to be interim coach?
HE ASKED FOR NOLANS’ FREAKING BLESSING!!!!!!!
Seriously
That was so lame.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Sep 26, 2010 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions
nah...
His sense of loyalty might lead to his demise, but I respect him for getting Nolan’s blessing given their existing relationship. Maybe it’s not cut-throat enough for some, but I’m fine with it in that case.
by David Fucillo on Sep 26, 2010 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions
very strange
most of the comments i read here are all against sing so quickly but yet most of you have given alex smith 6 years to produce with lil results. Sing is guilty of trusting th wrong people with the offense which is area area that most likly isnt his strong point. other OC’s where attempted but declined to come and work for the YORK family.
about what people here have been saying
you come around about 3 times a year and then claim to know the mind of the users here
Fire Jimmy Raye
idk
i really dont know what you mean anytime i have seen a vote on mike singletary and his aprroval rating is has always been in the upper 80’s 90 percentile. given those poles one can make a informed decision about the genral view of our coach here. i know i come around during the draft and the football season am i suposed to apologize for not being here during the offseason?
If you want to claim to know what the people here are thinking
than yeah.
And most people treat the Singletary poll aproval as an overall job performance, and I think it’s hard to argue that he hasn’t been good for this team overall.
I always look at them as how he did the week the polls were posted, so my vote changes week to week.
Fire Jimmy Raye
Please, mdeasy
It’s not either/or. Smith hasn’t proven that he’s an NFL quarterback. He’ll be gone at the end of the year whether he’s benched or starts. His only hope is that he’s reclaimed somewhere else.
The question is whether the team can dig out of this mess with Raye as OC and Sing as HC. I say no, and I say fire them both.
by Bob In Beaverton on Sep 26, 2010 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions
The problem is that the reason why we have the "wrong" people on offense has to do with Sing's philosophy.
Sing is stuck in the 80s, when the rules were more favorable to power-running teams, and interior linemen were smaller overall.
That’s why Raye is our O.C. No stud young O.C. wanted to embrace Sing’s philosophy on offense.
I wanted to give Sing the benefit of the doubt on that when he hired Raye. Others didn’t. I was wrong.
Furthermore, we’re seeing a lot of mental sloppiness and poor preparation on defense, too. This team needs a more substantial fix than simply changing O.C.’s.
wait a sec
rex ryan is successful with less talent offense tha we have. with the same philosphy. so the philosphy of sing is not out of date its our execution and weakness in leadersip positions that is our problem. i get th feeling that these guys dont believe in smith because smith doesnt seem to believe much in himself.
Uh FAIL.
Jets have 5 1st round draft picks on their OL and a bunch of pro-bowlers with multiple years with each other. They hit with their 1st round QB, we missed. Their offense is better than ours, I think they have more talent, and mix up their plays MUCH bettter than we did.
I'm not sure that we missed...
On the first round QB. Smith seems like he wants to take more control of the offense. The failures today weren’t his, they were Raye’s. Smith doesn’t control the gameplan.
really
they hit with who sanchez hasnt proven anything he is a bum and had scared the coach everytime he threw the ball last year. O line play is more to coaching than talent. and Lt in a wheel chair in not better than frank gore in his prime. i said we have better talent i didnt say our coaches were better. didnt we beat the jets when they had a better team than they do now with brett farve.
Their team is better now than when they had Favre.
I think the Jet’s have a MUCH better OL than we do. They have had time to gel. That’s a better organization from top to bottom. More talent for sure.
I'm not going to defend Smith -
- merely, I’m curious how you explain the clear failures in execution on defense. Unless you’re saying Smith is so bad that he makes even the defense suck, which seems like a stretch.
I only watched the game until it got out of hand, and I thought Smith was fine. He made a nice run for a first that got called back. He made a nice read on a blitz and made the right throw. Pointing at him at the problem strikes me as naive.
Which is not to say I think he’s the solution, mind you. I’m agnostic on that point. But when you have team-wide failures of execution, that’s got to be on the coaching staff.
As for the Jet’s system, I haven’t watched them that much, but they seem like a more dynamic team than we are, not so hidebound in their playcalling and willing to mix up smash-mouth with move-the-chains passing more. Yes, Ryan is a tough-guy coach, but unlike Sing, it doesn’t seem like he’s trying to play 80’s-style football.
You can be tough and play modern football. You can be tough and play 80s football. Sing is playing 80s football.
Rex Ryan is also a fantastic defensive cooridnator
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Sep 26, 2010 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Does that matter?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Sep 26, 2010 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Lmao
I don’t like Ryan’s attitude, but if I was a Jet’s fans I wouldn’t care.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Sep 26, 2010 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions
yes, and that's the difference between the Jets and the Niners
The Jets have a talent X’s and O’s guy on the defense (in Ryan) and on the offense (Brian Schottenheimer). Both are football lifers. Singletary spent a good chunk of his post-playing career being a motivational speaker and it’s not clear that he’s anything more than that now.
Start the young ones early, I always say.
Ryan is a better defensive coordinator than ours. his offense gets great field position and turnovers.
Bend over and fart. That hot air is the gist of the postgame.
by Ninjames on Sep 26, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
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You want to give Singletary 6 years?
I sure as hell don’t.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Sep 26, 2010 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions
ok
last year we pulled shawn hill for less and had a wining recond atm as well but now since its smith everyone is ow blaming the coach for everything. no i dont wnt 6 more years of failure buti would like to see what a change at he qb position would do for moral among the players.
Are you even watching the games?
Shaun Hill was atrocious last season.
How can you not blame the coaches for these losses? The opposing defense was calling out the plays we were running before we ran them.
How the [site decorum] was the team going to win this game with that gameplan?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Sep 26, 2010 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions
how long
how long is the defense suposed to hold up with a offense that couldn’t move th ball into the oppents red zone once throughout the entire game. field position was terrible for the defense. the defense get us a turnover and we give it right back. everytime alex smith drops back he throws to frank gore. your telling me all those plays were designed for frank or no one else was ever open?
WTF are you talking about?
I’m not that mad at the defense (I’m mad that they played so much Cover 2 but the game was still close at the half).
Once again I ask: Were you paying attention?
The WRs were running the exact same routes over and over.
The Chiefs’ DBs knew that so they had great coverage all day long.
Frank Gore was the only one open.
If Jimmy Raye called for more complex routes….
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Sep 26, 2010 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions
jimmy raye
ok jimmy raye is def not the cream of the crop for sure. but i wacth jerry rice cacth the same slant for 20 years and defense have double and triple teams to tr and stop him but yet he still always got open.
Michael Crabtree is not Jerry Rice
And Mike Shanahan was one of the greatest offensive coordinators in the history of the 49ers.
Jimmy Raye’s best quality is the fact that he looks like a raisin.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Sep 26, 2010 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions
lol
where i truly dislike jimmy rayes play calling is when it comes to variations in the running game the passing game is more on the excution of the recievers and qb everyone knows there is no defense for a perfect pass.
Only a few QBs can constantly throw perfect passes
How can you tell me you’re not upset with Jimmy Raye after he was running the ball with Moran Norris at FB in the 4th quarter down by 3 scores.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Sep 26, 2010 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions
ahh man
iam mad at the entire orginzation. from the owners to the coaches to QB to recievers who run i give up routes. to frank gore not being able to keep his damn feet planted without falling all the damn time i mean i want to buy the man a decent pair of cleets. the defense got to a point of where they looked like they just wanted to go home. idk what they did the night before but looked hungover from the start of the game.
Listen md
When the other team is calling out your plays, there is something wrong.
The problem is Raye is predictable as the sun, always rises in the East, setting in the West.
KC was calling plays out based on formation. When Norris is in, 90% of the time, it’s a run up the middle. He doesn’t ever change it up. Sometimes that means having 3 WR and running it out of shotgun, or having your goal line package on 2nd and 1 and throwing deep to Walker or Davis with a LB on them.
Raye is just ingrained in a certain way of doing things. The tape is out on him, he likes to run with a FB, so when there is one there, he runs. He likes to pass out of shotgun, so that’s what he does. It’s easy when an OC has the tendencies that Raye does.
fan
iam not a fan of raye, but he has been doing his job in the league for a long time. those tendacies are what they are,.its kinda funny how we are suposed to be better this year and yet last year we looked better at this point. i think alot of that has to do more of seeing smith on film and seeing his tendancies than jimmy raye.
Ummm ... the score was 31 to 3 , not to sure Smith was at fault for the 31 ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's juz my game ...!!
the def
the defense had to deal with short fields and a offense on our part that couldnt move the ball the entire game that does make the defenses job alot harder.
It does, but let's not kid ourselves.
The defense looked pretty mediocre from the early part of the game. It’s not like they got tired and then got beat.
They were tactically destroyed by a team executing a superior game plan. Being tired doesn’t have anything to do with that.
well
this def wasnt our DC best work at all. so he called a bad game this does happen so for me that doesnt ecuse the offense for looking as it did they did. the def. did get pressure they did force a turnover the game was still in reach until the second half so how long are they suposed to be doing all the work?
Game 1 complacency Game 2 errors Game 3 complacency
If you read my comments on the first game threads…..I blamed it on the head coach…..its coming out…our team is not ready to compete. Coaches and players. Singletary great player…….enough said.
RED AND GOLD ALWAYS BOLD>
Game update
Cards just beat the Raiders 24-23. Rams won. Seattle is winning.
The Niners are the worst team in the NFC West.
by Bob In Beaverton on Sep 26, 2010 4:37 PM PDT reply actions
No were not we just have the worst coaching/ gameplan
49ers los mas cabrones.
by 49erSalvatrucha on Sep 26, 2010 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, unless the coaches are fired we're the worst team.
Seattle 2-1
Arizona 2-1
St. Louis 1-2
San Francisco 0-3
by Bob In Beaverton on Sep 26, 2010 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Talent wise man
49ers los mas cabrones.
by 49erSalvatrucha on Sep 26, 2010 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions
In the NFL you don't go to the playoffs by potential.
The team sucks now. Yes, in large part because of the coaching. Is Jed York going to fire Singletary and Raye tomorrow? No. So what are we arguing about?
by Bob In Beaverton on Sep 26, 2010 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions
this loss was on the coaches, the first two are on the players.
Bend over and fart. That hot air is the gist of the postgame.
by Ninjames on Sep 26, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
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So talent makes a team?
Must be why the Cowboys are 1-2 right? Talent doesn’t mean anything. Most NFL teams are talented. Seahawks showed us week one that talent doesn’t mean anything.
Like Bob said, we are the worst team in NFC West.
we're not the worst
we’ve played two teams away. 2 of the better home teams in the nfl… and the SB champions at home. if we gonna talk about being bad, at least put it in perspective… please..
So it's unfathomable to expect the team to win on the road?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Sep 26, 2010 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions
no but
you can’t say we are the worst team in the west, when clearly we are not. until we are 0-6 or 1-5 or evern 2-4 in the division. i wont accept it.
0-6 isn't too far away
Looking at all the teams in the NFCW: All the three teams looked better than the 49ers today.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Sep 26, 2010 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions
How can't I say that TK?
We are in last place, ie worst team in the West.
We have ATL on the road, loss, PHI at home, could easily be a loss. Think about Denver in London? We can’t even play PST, let alone in a different country’s time zone.
We could start 0-5 easily. We could go 1-7 just as easy. When you are outcoached in the NFL, you are the worst team. PERIOD
This
So sad…but so true.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Sep 26, 2010 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions
There's plenty of blame to go around in this loss.
Coahing/playcalling, O line, D line, QB, WRs/TEs, RBs, DBs, LBs (even Willis was sort of un-Willis-like). This defense should be seeing screen plays in their sleep! I mean sheesh, how many times is that gonna burn us?
And when Smith scrambles, I can’t believe that there isn’t somebody that can get open downfield. Sometimes I can see a receiver or 2 in the camera’s view and they seem to just be standing still (not even blocking).
The truly unfortunate thing is that this mass of blame is becoming a recurring theme for this team.
From Maiocco...
On the other sideline, the unbeaten Kansas City Chiefs were a team that acted as if they’d been handed a cheat sheet before a final exam. One 49ers source said the Chiefs defense was calling out plays — often correctly — before the snap of the ball.
If the defense knows the plays before you execute them, that’s a failure on the OC. Period. End of story.
Give em more Taser formations!
That is the limit to outside the box thinking.
Coach Boone: And who's team is this, Gary? Is this your team? Or is this your daddy's team?
Bertier: Yours.
Coach Boone: Now get on the bus. Put on your jacket first and then get on the bus.
Hell, I could call the plays.
First down, Gore up the middle.
Second down, Gore up the middle.
by Bob In Beaverton on Sep 26, 2010 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Flowers
Said he knew what routes Crabtree was running because it was the same routes he saw on film…over and over again.
Way to go Raye!
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Sep 26, 2010 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, at least Flowers studies our game plans.
Not sure about Crabs.
by Bob In Beaverton on Sep 26, 2010 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions
What can Crabtree do about it?
Raye tells him to run that “fake-flats-break-slant” route over and over again.
It’s not like he’s going to run a different route.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Sep 26, 2010 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not blaming him, i just think he was a horrible pick.
not as in we didn’t need a WR, but as in we needed the Ol first. Now we have two slow as WR’s on the ends that aren’t that big. wheretheydothatat???
Bend over and fart. That hot air is the gist of the postgame.
by Ninjames on Sep 26, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
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Morgan isn't that slow
He could be faster, but it’s ok.
The Ravens do OK without blazing fast WRs.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Sep 27, 2010 6:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Earl Thomas just won the game for the Seahawks
Damn
Coach Boone: And who's team is this, Gary? Is this your team? Or is this your daddy's team?
Bertier: Yours.
Coach Boone: Now get on the bus. Put on your jacket first and then get on the bus.
Seattle just one…..sigh. Jimmy Raye get the hell out of here you worthless piece of garbage.
49ers los mas cabrones.
by 49erSalvatrucha on Sep 26, 2010 4:42 PM PDT reply actions
At this point, I don't care about Seattle winning or losing.
You can’t watch the standings while your own ship is sinking.
Worrying about other teams wins and losses is something teams which know how to take care of business get the privilege of worrying about.
The way we’re playing, there’s no reason to look at other team’s scoreboards.
The Chargers have actually won a game.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Sep 26, 2010 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions
against the jaguars.......so is that a win? well it is, but they are one of the NFL's worse teams.
Bend over and fart. That hot air is the gist of the postgame.
by Ninjames on Sep 26, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
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Could this current 49ers team beat the Jaguars?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Sep 27, 2010 6:50 AM PDT up reply actions
The Chiefs are built to beat our type of defense.
Coach Boone: And who's team is this, Gary? Is this your team? Or is this your daddy's team?
Bertier: Yours.
Coach Boone: Now get on the bus. Put on your jacket first and then get on the bus.
Running it fast
Coach Boone: And who's team is this, Gary? Is this your team? Or is this your daddy's team?
Bertier: Yours.
Coach Boone: Now get on the bus. Put on your jacket first and then get on the bus.
im sorry
but if p-willis (one of his worst games as a niner imo, but was still prob our best player), cant defend against jamaal charles when they ran it up the guy most the time too, then we should just all retire and not watch nfl anymore…. because thats our strongest part of our whole team…
No
They put him really deep so he wasn’t even playing close to the line of scrimmage.
The gameplan didn’t give the players a chance to be successful.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Sep 26, 2010 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Poor personnel usage, I swear i could do better than manusky.
The same withthe offense, I’d have this team putting up numbers. I’m just saying.
Bend over and fart. That hot air is the gist of the postgame.
by Ninjames on Sep 26, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
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You probably could
That’s what so sad…
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Sep 27, 2010 6:51 AM PDT up reply actions
No way
They’re all run/short pass.
The 49ers came out playing cover2.
That’s just a recipe for disaster.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Sep 26, 2010 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
we came out expecting them to be a passing team which they aren’t.
They’re a run team. They didn’t adjust either, which allowed Charles and Jones to both get almost 100 yards rushing (97 for Charles, 95 for Jones)
Fire Jimmy Raye
And our blitz schemes suck, they suck to high hell.
Bend over and fart. That hot air is the gist of the postgame.
by Ninjames on Sep 26, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
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players on offense and defense who have performed, and NOT PERFORMED
Offense:
Smith – self-explantory….
baas – not a centre
crabtree – don’t think he’s a WR anymore, hes a better CB
norris – release him… NOW. DUe for 1.6 million next year, 1.4M this year. Just release him
Defense:
Nate Clements – 12 million this year, 14 million over next 3 years. RELEASE HIM. HES NOT WORTH THE MONEY
Dashon – ABsolutely dreadful this year, (Breakout season, my a**). wanted 6 million a year contract -—- keep walking
sopoago – no penetration from his side as usual
michael lewis – …. no comment
haralson – wheres his speed?
Clements did what wrong this game?
Third game in row Clements has been called out while having a productive game.
Offense:
Smith – self-explantory….
baas – not a centre
crabtree – don’t think he’s a WR anymore, hes a better CB
norris – release him… NOW. DUe for 1.6 million next year, 1.4M this year. Just release him
Defense:
Nate Clements – 12 million this year, 14 million over next 3 years. RELEASE HIM. HES NOT WORTH THE MONEY
Dashon – ABsolutely dreadful this year, (Breakout season, my a**). wanted 6 million a year contract—keep walking
sopoago – no penetration from his side as usual
michael lewis – …. no comment
haralson – wheres his speed?
No 1st round NFL WR is ever going to be moved to CB.
Norris should have been released a LONG time ago.
Clemments isn’t making $12 Million this year and he had a great game today.
Goldson is still a good safety. He’s not a cover safety though, so it’s foolish for the coaches to keep playing him so deep.
Sopoaga sucks, we all knew that. But the coaches won’t give McDonald a chance.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Sep 26, 2010 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions
crabtree was a sarcastic comment, looks like hes playing for the opposition
thought you would get that. clements is making huge money woteva hes gettin. not worth it. dashon has been cr*p – you can defend him all u want – u dont talk smack to thge organisation having played 6 months of good football, demanding a new contract when you’ve done f*ck all
22 CB Nate Clements - $8.166M (2010), $11.167M (2011), $11.5M (2012) & $11.27M (2013)
he worth that? come on guys…
Those numbers are BS
He’s not making the $8 Million.
Smileyman has the real numbers.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Sep 26, 2010 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions
show me the numbers:)
im pretty sure thats accurate
Absolutely not
Especially since those numbers have the incentives added to them.
Clemments’ contract incentives are really outrageous and there is no chance of him reaching them.
…still waiting for Smileyman to tell me what the exact numbers are….???
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Sep 26, 2010 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Just noticed your sig . Funny you , but real ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's juz my game ...!!
well if those numbers are accurate
then thats fine i guess, we’ll see how he does the rest of the season
they are
like I said his salary doesn’t blow up until after this season and even then it’s not that bad comparitively speaking.
OTOH Michael Lewis is getting paid $5 million this year which is ridiculous
Fire Jimmy Raye
nah michael lewis restructured bud,
32 SS Michael Lewis – $2.1M (2010). on my little salary tracker thing i have. he basicalled foregoed his last 2 years for an extra 200K bonus salary this year and cut his overall salary to remain on the team
basically,
lewis’ contract runs out this year, and his salary is a lot less – which means he has a little salary value as a pretty affordable SS for a playoff contender
those are probably salary cap figures
2010—$6 million
2011—$7.25 million
2012—$9 million
$6 million doesn’t even come close to being in the top 10 highest paid CBs in the league
Fire Jimmy Raye
Well there you go
$6 Million is pretty good for a No.1 CB.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Sep 26, 2010 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions
You have no idea what you're talking about...go take a walk or something.
Clemments is making something like $4-6 Million which isn’t even top 10.
He’s our best DB and he’s worth every penny, especially since Tarrell Brown is not a starting caliber CB.
Goldson isn’t demanding anything right now. He’s not a holdout.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Sep 26, 2010 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions
read the numbers bout clements please.
goldson was demanding all sorts in the pre-season, are u for serious?
Goldson isn't holding out
He’s playing his current contract without bitching.
He can demand all he wants after the season is over.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Sep 26, 2010 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions
You're probably posting salary cap numbers
which include pro-ration for his guaranteed money
Fire Jimmy Raye
can i just go back for a sec
i am posting salary cap numbers, the numbers you posted are just his base salary right? hes making close to $8.166M (2010), $11.167M (2011), $11.5M (2012) & $11.27M (2013) when his MASSIVE signing bonus is included. so he is 8.166 against the salary cap this year. thats huge imo. he will be 11.167M against the cap next year. waste of money imo. take the salary cap penalty and save the money
Except there's no salary cap
and the signing bonus money is sunk costs, so we can’t do anything bout it
Fire Jimmy Raye
i know its a 'sunk cost'
but unlike in accounting, you have to account for that sunk cost, so if we cut him at the end of the season we can save for 2012 and 13. we are operating like its a salary cap season anyways…
I'm pretty confident that his deal will be restructured this off season anywy
almost always these big money deals get restructured before the end.
Fire Jimmy Raye
yeah i hope, and youre probably right
i usually support clements. im just upset bout the game…
chikmagnet knew I had the numbers
because I’ve been a big supporter of clements over the years and he and I have tusseled last year bout the worth of clements
Fire Jimmy Raye
lol i see
we are ok in terms of the salary numbers(from the numbers i have recorded of each player – not sure if they are totally accurate) for the next couple years. staley’s contract drops hugely after the last 2 years. we should be ok salary cap wise. big question is do we resign manny or do we pursue lamarr woodley whose a UFA at the end of the year and the steelers dont seem intent on signing him
I'd like us to resign Lawson
but only for a couple million a year. If he wants more than that I say no way
Fire Jimmy Raye
yeah i agree
i think he was great against the saints in particular anyways. but hes supposedly after something close to 5-6 million a year…
swearing
Just a reminder to everybody that putting an asterisk or symbol over one letter does not remove the swearing.
by David Fucillo on Sep 26, 2010 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I am starting the official child please blog stamp, as in you have no clue what you are talking about.
Clements needs to be cut…….CHILD PLEASE, he is the only constant on our defense, yeah, willis dropped the ball today, Clements has been there in all three games. Did he blow coverage vs seattle…yes, he also created a To, that got us some freakin’ points. Back the fuck off clements.
Bend over and fart. That hot air is the gist of the postgame.
by Ninjames on Sep 26, 2010 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
.
13-3?
Maybe the seahawks and chiefs are just really good at home.
Trying to keep my self delusion going, I do have season tickets and all
more like 4-12
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Sep 26, 2010 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions
mbarrows is speculating
that crabtree gets benched in favor of Ziegler and Rachal gets benched in favor of Snyder
Fire Jimmy Raye
If that is it than it's time to surrender.
Those moves might mitigate the beat downs the 49ers have been receiving but neither are going to turn the ship around.
What do you guys thing the changes that Sing will make are?
cough bench Crabs *cough
Coach Boone: And who's team is this, Gary? Is this your team? Or is this your daddy's team?
Bertier: Yours.
Coach Boone: Now get on the bus. Put on your jacket first and then get on the bus.
Changes that should be made:
1- Sing gives in to the spread offense (again)
2- Replace Goldson with Mays for 1 game (as a wake-up call)
3- Replace Rachal with Snyder (worked well against N.O.)
4- Start Bowman over Spikes (age finally caught up to him)
5- Zeigler will start in Morgans place
6- We will actually see sweeps and off-tackle runs
7- Put (old, slow,and now weak) Norris on waivers, bring in the bruising Calcrick
8- Finally let McDanald start over Sopoaga
9- Start prepping Smith #2 to take over QB by mid-season
10- Start sweet talking Marriucci, Jimmy Johnson, etc… (for next year)
geez, idiots
I didn’t read all the stupidity, but if you thing Sing is problem, go root for Cowboys here in Texas and I’ll take your place with 49’s. Stupid is sure easy to show.
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