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49ers OC Mike Johnson And RB Brian Westbrook: A Match Made In Heaven?

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While there were many complaints about 49ers OC Jimmy Raye, one of the more annoying developments was his stubborn refusal to work Brian Westbrook into the 49ers offense on anything remotely resembling a regular basis. I realize as a new player Westbrook had to learn protection schemes and the like, but are you telling me that in the course of five or six weeks Jimmy Raye couldn't figure out how to get him involved in more than 3 offensive plays (1 against New Orleans, 2 against Kansas City)?

I'm not here to dump on Jimmy Raye but I never could understand what seemed to be a stubborn refusal to utilize the very unique skills Brian Westbrook brings to the table. And so now the 49ers have Mike Johnson at the helm. While the playbook will not be changing, the utilization of plays within that playbook will likely change in some form or fashion. What will that mean for Brian Westbrook? Will the 49ers utilize more two running back sets feature Westbrook and Gore? We know both guys can do wonders as receiving backs so would the team mix them in? If you really want to get crazy, you throw in Delanie Walker and you could really keep defenses on their toes.

Will we see more of Brian Westbrook in the coming weeks and in what fashion would you suspect? Along the same lines, does this mean we'll see some more Anthony Dixon as well? At this point it's all speculation, but until we see what happens on Sunday, that's really all we've got. It sounds like Mike Johnson will speak with the press later this week in the normal OC media session, but I suspect he won't give too much away when it comes to the upcoming game plan.

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Please use him

In some plays that are not obscenely obvious.

by manraj7 on Sep 27, 2010 2:57 PM PDT reply actions  

what about anthony dixon?

and why does vernon davis have no touch down passes?

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Sep 27, 2010 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Almost excited again by the offensive possibilities.

Just when I had given up hope. Let Alex Smith loose to distribute the fall far and wide, and get Westbrook on the field to see what he can do. I bet the players are going to fight for their new OC and reward Sing for his (or whoever’s) decision. I think they should start Westbrook with Gore on the first play of the game: what a sight! Use the whole offense.

by Vertigo on Sep 27, 2010 3:05 PM PDT reply actions  

Hell lets just go all he way and use Gore, Westbrook, and Dixon, along with VD and Zeigler on one play. Let them try to figure out what we are gonna do..

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by Widowwolf on Sep 27, 2010 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I still don't trust Smith but...

at least he won’t have anymore excuses. If he fails this year then we should be done with him.

by Delmuir on Sep 27, 2010 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

The misuse of talent under Raye was really a wide-ranging problem. You could make a solid case that he has misused all of the following players regularly: Brian Westbrook, Vernon Davis, Frank Gore, Michael Crabtree, and Delanie Walker.

Davis is the toughest case to make there, because of how good his year was last year, but I still think you can make it.

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by howtheyscored on Sep 27, 2010 3:11 PM PDT reply actions  

I also think he underutilized Zeigler who...

although he lacks burst speed, has GREAT hands. His route-running is definitely improved and I would dare say good at this point.

by Delmuir on Sep 27, 2010 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fooch I completely agree.

Crabtree walked in, from day one and succeeded. You are telling me that a professional, hall of fame RB can’t learn the playbook, or protections, or even a set group of 20 plays within 6 weeks?!?!?!?! That’s a reflection on Raye not wanting to use Westbrook, or not knowing how to. It’s completely crazy to think that Westbrook doesn’t have our playbook down at least enough to have him on the field at least a little.

We will see more Westbrook on the field, and I even think we will see Gore and Westbrook on the field at the same time.

by hudd07 on Sep 27, 2010 3:12 PM PDT reply actions  

I should clarify Crabtree...

….he produced and he helped our team out with no training camp, and less time to learn the offense. Granted, it’s probably less demanding position, but this is a guy that came from Texas Tech, vs a guy that is one of the most dynamic, hall of fame runners of our time.

If I have Westbrook, I find a way to use him, even if I’m teaching him a set of 20 plays only over 6 weeks.

by hudd07 on Sep 27, 2010 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

WR is one of the toughest positions to play quickly

WRs have to make a situational read similar to the QB and the center calling out protections. Part of the problem this year with Crabtree is they’ve given him more to do. Last year he literally ran about two plays, each with a variation or two, and he and Alex made the same read (most of the time). This year it’s clear they’re not doing that, hence the interceptions – yeah, he’s throwing it high and that explains one or two of them but the other three or four Smith has been throwing it (high again) to where he thought Crabtree would be, but Crabs read it differently. So not easy for a WR to jump in… one of thre reasons Vincent Jackson was not picked up last week.

by mwright84 on Sep 27, 2010 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Vincent Jackson wasn't picked up because AJ wanted the kitchen sink

As for RB, I know their responsibilities are pretty huge as well, whereas Crab ran acouple routes, and probably a few reads, Westbrook would need to know protections, schemes, etc…so its not similar to the Center, it IS the Center. He would need to know who had what in each scheme, recognize the defense to see blitzes, etc…and if he messed up, their goes our Starting QB. I see why they took their time with WB, but to be honest, it’s too long to at least see him 5 touches MINIMUM a game. Let’s see what he has.

As for Crabtree, his routes were already SUPER crisp, which is where WR struggle to most. So he only had to learn a handful of routes, and a handful of reads. I think it’s easier in Crabs position than Westbrooks, but still, no excuse. If you could get Crabtree on the field after 2 weeks, you can get Westbrook on by now as well.

Smith throwing high EVERYTIME is also a MAJOR concern. I mean EVERYTIME. If Crabs bobbles it, or he is in the wrong spot, if it’s low, nobody catches it. When a ball is thrown low, and bounces off a hand, it goes DOWN. When it’s high, and you reach up to catch it, where does it go? UP. While I’m seeing a lot of this blame on Crabs, it’s a LOT on Smith, moreso on Smith. He puts it on the numbers, it can’t bounce up.

by hudd07 on Sep 27, 2010 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

5 of Smith's 6 INTs were on passes intended for Crabs.

I think that’s more then just a coincidence.

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by Hoopers Judge on Sep 28, 2010 12:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yup

Of course if it’s true that Crabtree only runs one route (which is what Flowers implied yesterday), than that would explain it. All CBs have to do is sit back, wait for Alex to throw the ball and then jump the route.

Fire Jimmy Raye

by smileyman on Sep 28, 2010 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sing's coded response

earlier today indicated Mike Johnson would “incorporate the entire staff” (or something to that effect, I’m paraphrasing).

I wonder if he was against the Westbrook signing from the beginning, and talked Sing into giving him the benefit of the doubt on the issue. Granted, this is reading waaaaay further into the issue, but it’s not like we have a lot to go on, either.

I could see Sing giving Jimmy time to show why Westbrook was better solely as a backup, then asking Jimmy to give Westbrook a couple of snaps, which he did begrudgingly and with abysmal results. That, combined with the fact that both of the teams who cared enough to do their homework on us had our game plans down cold, would explain a lot…

49er 'til I die! (if they don't kill me first)

by LA49er on Sep 27, 2010 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's worth a look. I guess we will find out.

The other issue was, Westbrook NEVER saw the field, so when he did, it was like the Offense yelling out, THE PLAY IS TO WESTBROOK!!!

by hudd07 on Sep 27, 2010 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with this as well....

and the ball was horribly forced to Westbrook…..so A) the defense knew it was going to him and B) Alex gave it to him anyways because that is what the play called for…..that is just a losing situation right there

by sanfranfanmdk on Sep 27, 2010 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

I thought he meant the coaching staff

I saw at least one story yesterday (sorry, I can’t recall where) that said among the criticisms of Raye was that he often made game plan decisions/changes without consulting others on the coaching staff.

by mirrorball on Sep 28, 2010 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I completely agree.

It shows either a complete lack of creativity on Raye’s part, or a complete lack of competence that he couldn’t get Westbrook up to speed in 6 weeks.

by hudd07 on Sep 27, 2010 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd love to see both in on the first play and...

a lot of plays after that. I was so confused as to why we weren’t using him more (or at all). Thought maybe there was something I didn’t know, like an injury or something. I’m thinking now it’s because Raye was too stubborn. Now time to get rid of Norris!

by B-RAD22 on Sep 27, 2010 3:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Westbrook is a must on the feild at least 10 to 15 play's a game ...

… but we got to get the O line figured out first , and like V.D. said there’s way to many playeron this team to not try and get everyone some play’s … M.J. = creativity i like that … i’m sticking with my 5th to 6th week for this Offense to start clicking …!!

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by Edggy on Sep 27, 2010 3:13 PM PDT reply actions  

And fear of hurting Frank's feelings

3 words: Norris, 300 carries

Coach Boone: And who's team is this, Gary? Is this your team? Or is this your daddy's team?
Bertier: Yours.
Coach Boone: Now get on the bus. Put on your jacket first and then get on the bus.

by Amigo on Sep 27, 2010 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I truly believe that has been a big part of it. Being afraid to hurt Gores feelings or tell him he isn’t entitled to being on the field every damn play.

by jonesin25 on Sep 28, 2010 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

i think singletary has been pretty clear what kind of offense he wants. if you look at the niners playcalling it has matched what singletary has said he wants. it just so happens that running it straight up the middle everytime isnt gonna work

by yep12 on Sep 27, 2010 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nope, he said he want's balance... !!

I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ...Jimmy Raye your no daisy ...!!

by Edggy on Sep 27, 2010 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

That and RAYE is the one saying over and over that Gore is the "bell cow".

Singletary said that Westbrook was here to spell Gore, and that he was Gore’s backup, but Raye was the one refusing to put Westbrook in. He calls the personnel formations.

by hudd07 on Sep 27, 2010 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

at some point

you guys are gonna have to lay some blame on singletary. as of right now raye is the scapegoat for the problems but if they continue singletary is gonna be on the chopping block next.

by yep12 on Sep 27, 2010 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I didn't know Sing called the offensive plays. Or devised the offensive gameplan during the week.

Sing really has no input in the offense other then saying “be physical with an F.”

Trust me, if the offense continues to struggle Sing, Alex, and possibly Mick Johnson will all be gone come 2011.

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Stephen Curry to David Lee
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by Hoopers Judge on Sep 28, 2010 1:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sing does have input

He is the head coach, what he says goes. If he tells Raye, “utilize Westbrook” then Raye has to do that. Maybe that’s part of the reason for Raye getting fired. We will never know these things because these are things we as fans don’t see and hear. Part of the blame definitely goes to Sing, but we dont’ know the rest. The right thing was done for now in firing Raye. I’m leaving the rest alone until I see where things go from here.

by jonesin25 on Sep 28, 2010 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

The 49er offense has always been balanced

in that runs have not pre-dominated.

The reason it feels that way is due to Raye’s lack of inventiveness in utilizing the run

Fire Jimmy Raye

by smileyman on Sep 28, 2010 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

jimmy raye said

he only did what singletary told him to do. so singletary had a pretty big effect on what the offense did and why it was so stale.

by yep12 on Sep 28, 2010 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Incorrect

Raye said he implemented the philsophy that Sing wanted which is an entirely different thing.

I have no doubts that Singletary wanted a run-first team, but you can do it creatively and effectively (Jets last year), not boring and inefficient like the 49ers.

Fire Jimmy Raye

by smileyman on Sep 28, 2010 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

The Niners resigning Norris at all was definitely Frank’s influence.

But also, I remember that while we still had Coffee and there was a question about reducing Frank’s load so that he could get some rest that Singletary stated something along the lines of approaching Frank with that idea and that Frank just wants the ball all the time, which is what any runningback would say. I guess I should just say it’s a combination of Sing, Raye and Frank wanting Frank to be the feature back and the face of the offense.

Coach Boone: And who's team is this, Gary? Is this your team? Or is this your daddy's team?
Bertier: Yours.
Coach Boone: Now get on the bus. Put on your jacket first and then get on the bus.

by Amigo on Sep 27, 2010 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Frank Gore Not Convinced With Splitting Carries

49ers great Roger Craig urges Frank Gore to share workload

So it will be interesting to see if WB gets to share the backfield with Frank under new OC. And also if Frank’s carries will be reduced.

Coach Boone: And who's team is this, Gary? Is this your team? Or is this your daddy's team?
Bertier: Yours.
Coach Boone: Now get on the bus. Put on your jacket first and then get on the bus.

by Amigo on Sep 27, 2010 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can we hold off the excitement until we post a win or two?

Cautious optimism FTW

Coach Boone: And who's team is this, Gary? Is this your team? Or is this your daddy's team?
Bertier: Yours.
Coach Boone: Now get on the bus. Put on your jacket first and then get on the bus.

by Amigo on Sep 27, 2010 3:13 PM PDT reply actions  

I'll take any grounds for optimism that I can get

But I agree that we shouldn’t assume that MJ will be as good an OC as that other MJ was a basketball player.

Start the young ones early, I always say.

by grantmp on Sep 27, 2010 3:56 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I guess we don't have enough Baylor alumni (Singletary, Zeigler)

Michael Johnson would be a welcome addition. The gold shoes can be team uniform.

Coach Boone: And who's team is this, Gary? Is this your team? Or is this your daddy's team?
Bertier: Yours.
Coach Boone: Now get on the bus. Put on your jacket first and then get on the bus.

by Amigo on Sep 27, 2010 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Actually, MJ had a decent amount of success

considering he started really playing professionally in his 30s. If you watch the 30 for 30 on MJ, you will be shocked. I always thought he stunk, but it’s a good show, and he actually surprised a ton of people how well he did, and how quickly he caught on. I mean, this is a BASKETBALL player, that didn’t play baseball since High school, that just walked into tryouts, made a professional baseball team, then made it to the show shortly thereafter. Give the man some credit.

by hudd07 on Sep 27, 2010 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Definitely agree

I was ready to say the same thing til I saw your post. His name may have been a big contribution to that, not sure any joe at the level he was at could have done the same thing (baseball level that is). Still, it was impressive enough that he was able to hang in there in another professional sport, especially one as hard as baseball, at least the hitting aspect of it.

by jonesin25 on Sep 28, 2010 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

+1

Managing expectations means keeping them insanely low. :-)

by MondayMorningMontana on Sep 27, 2010 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is professional sports.. Who here manages expectations?

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by Eastbayjim on Sep 27, 2010 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Caution would be prudent here...

we still have Alex Smith afterall who, as of now, will have no scapegoats left. If he doesn’t succeed now then we need to unload him and shoot for Luck.

by Delmuir on Sep 27, 2010 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nah man, we have plenty of scapegoats left.

Coach Boone: And who's team is this, Gary? Is this your team? Or is this your daddy's team?
Bertier: Yours.
Coach Boone: Now get on the bus. Put on your jacket first and then get on the bus.

by Amigo on Sep 28, 2010 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would definitely love to see WB and Gore in the backfield at the same time

and I trust MJ (even though I don’t know why) to come up with something creative for that formation, among others. I’m excited to see what he creates.

by madmatt on Sep 27, 2010 3:14 PM PDT reply actions  

Jimmy Raye, one of the more annoying developments was his stubborn refusal to work…

by aBulldog on Sep 27, 2010 3:14 PM PDT reply actions  

what the hell. I had a longer comment than this, and all it posts is a paraphrase?

by aBulldog on Sep 27, 2010 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

That’s been happening on all the SB sites recently. It’s only showing the words inside qoutes and not the rest of the post for some reason.

by cybermaldonado on Sep 27, 2010 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Reason why Raye didn't use Russell Westbrook as much as he should.

I’m sorry but I’m not familiar with Rusty Westenbrook’s past work with the Cardinal’s.

by IRONxMIKE on Sep 27, 2010 4:01 PM PDT reply actions  

theres a joke somewhere in there...

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Thanks for the Memories Nabby.

by BrandonMK50 on Sep 27, 2010 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Raye would play Russell at power forward.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.

by SpurredOn on Sep 27, 2010 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Raye would play Russell at power forward.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.

by SpurredOn on Sep 27, 2010 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jim McMahon passed the ball fewer times than Walter Payton carried it. Payton was also McMahon’s leading receiver. One wonders what Singletary envisions Frank Gore to do for this team.

Coach Boone: And who's team is this, Gary? Is this your team? Or is this your daddy's team?
Bertier: Yours.
Coach Boone: Now get on the bus. Put on your jacket first and then get on the bus.

by Amigo on Sep 27, 2010 4:20 PM PDT reply actions  

Never underestimate someones influences.

Sing is used to a certain brand of football, that he saw succeed on a professional level. I’m not in the least bit surprised to see him emulate what he knows when he is the coach.

by hudd07 on Sep 27, 2010 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

The '85 Bears led the NFC in scoring that season

Overall the Chargers were #1 and the Bears #2 in scoring in 1985.

The Chargers and Bears almost exactly reversed the number of passing and rushing attempts (SD: 632 Passing. 442 Rushing. CHI: 432 Passing. 610 Rushing).

Bears: 15-1.
Chargers: 8-8.

by GeoMak on Sep 27, 2010 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly my point.

Sing saw the best offense in NFC was a team that ran the ball 2 to 1. He saw a Superbowl team that dominated on defense, and runned the ball down your throat at will.. That’s what I’m trying to say. Don’t underestimate his influences and what he knows. When you are in a situation where you havn’t been before (HC of a football team), you do what you know, what worked for you. Problem is, in this day and age, it doesn’t work.

I would be willing to bet, that Sing is still behind the scenes, or in his head thinking, man I know if we just got this line to gel, we could run all over teams. Instead of thinking he needs to exploit matchups.

by hudd07 on Sep 27, 2010 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Teams with a 15-1 record tend to run more because they’re winning in the 4th quarter instead of playing catch up. Plus, if you had that defense you’d be averse to taking too m any risks. We don’t have that kind of defense and we haven’t had the lead in one 4th quarter.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.

by SpurredOn on Sep 27, 2010 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

The other thing they had

was big plays in the passing game. They didn’t throw a ton but they did throw very effectively.

They had the fastest WR in the game (Willie Gault) a great possession WR (Dennis McKinnon) and two good receiving TE’s (Emery Moorehead & Tim Wrightman).

They also had a QB (McMahon) that excelled at reading defenses and making enough big plays in the passing game to keep the opposition honest.

by GeoMak on Sep 27, 2010 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

the bears won one super bowl

they didnt build a dynasty through good defense and running the ball. the ravens and buccanners couldnt do it either. the only team to pull it off was the steelers in the 70s because they could actually pass the ball

by yep12 on Sep 27, 2010 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Umm ... Redskin's and Giant's did the same in the 80'S

I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ...Jimmy Raye your no daisy ...!!

by Edggy on Sep 28, 2010 6:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

fair enough

but singletary’s not trying to be the redskins and giants from the 80s

by yep12 on Sep 28, 2010 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you dropped the '85 Bears into the 2010 NFL, they would get creamed

Sure, they might grind out a couple of games, but Defenses now are so much faster and better at stopping the run and modern Offenses are so much more complex and hard to decipher. Heck, we’ve seen right here with Singletary what happens when you try to re-create the ’85 Bears in the modern NFL.

by suffrin9erfan on Sep 27, 2010 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Players are all bigger and stronger

Steroids, nutrition, weight lifting, and the rest have all vastly improved the size and speed of players. It’s not remotely fair to compare teams across generational boundaries and say “Team X would have gotten creamed in 2010” because the 2010 Niners would probably beat the 1972 Dolphins by a lot… simply because they’re bigger and stronger at every position. That Bears team was great. Please do not try to diminish what they accomplished. If you gave Walter Peyton, the Fridge, Mike Singletary, and the rest of them the nutritional, steroidal, and weight lifting advantages that the players of today have, you’d have a vastly different team and a team that would probably crush teams of today.

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by Dubs fan in Boston on Sep 28, 2010 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

I just got a good chuckle going -

- when I realized Westbrook probably wishes he’d chosen the RAMS over the 49’ers.

Who could have seen that coming before the season?

by cybermaldonado on Sep 27, 2010 4:31 PM PDT reply actions  

Singletary's vision convinced WB to come to the Niners

I’m certain Westbrook went with a team he felt would give him a fair amount of play time. Let’s hope they finally give it to him. There really is nothing to lose at this point, well except maybe a few coaching jobs here and there. But everyone’s job is on the line at this point, including Singletary’s despite what the Yorks have stated.

Coach Boone: And who's team is this, Gary? Is this your team? Or is this your daddy's team?
Bertier: Yours.
Coach Boone: Now get on the bus. Put on your jacket first and then get on the bus.

by Amigo on Sep 27, 2010 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

He went with a team, he knew would win, and he knew would run a LOT.

cyber is right thtough, Who would have thought through 3 weeks, he would have like 3 touches, and that the Rams would have a more dynamic offense, with their backup already scoring a TD, and their #1 SJ already out with groin injury. Yikes.

by hudd07 on Sep 27, 2010 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Are you kidding me? Brian Westbrook’s last name has as many letters and Jimmy Raye’s first and last name combined.

Brian’s name was probably too complex to be in Raye’s playbook page.

9/8/10: 49ers go 11-5, Lose to Falcons first round. Smitty: 3500/25/15. Gore: 1300 yards, 10 TDs. Crabtree: 1000 yards, 7 TDs. Vernon: 900 yards, 8 TDs

by MichaelClutchtree on Sep 27, 2010 4:55 PM PDT reply actions  

Did Johnson really have expanded duties for the Saints game?

I’ve read a lot of (unsubstantiated as far as I know?) speculation about Mike Johnson having participated more in the Saints game, particularly, that he called many/most of the plays. Do we know if there’s any truth to that, or was it/is it just speculation? If true, it would a good thing and maybe explain the team’s jekyll and hyde performance between that game and yesterday?

by mwright84 on Sep 27, 2010 4:56 PM PDT reply actions  

that would be very good to know

If Johnson was calling the shots versus the Saints then I think we are in for a treat.

by MikeDv on Sep 27, 2010 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

not sure, but I did see the following after a friend point it out...
New offensive coordinator Mike Johnson does have some play-calling experience. In 2003 Falcons coach Wade Phillips asked him to call the call the plays for the final two games of the season. In those games QB Michael Vick had his two highest QB rating performances of the season

by jakebmill on Sep 27, 2010 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pure speculation

The offense worked in the Saints game because the 49ers front seven could could push the small Saint’s defensive line around Seattle and KC had some big anchors while the 49ers offense had no plan B in case running up the middle did not work.

by bignerd on Sep 27, 2010 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

speculation

Never been confirmed or refuted by anybody that would have actual knowledge.

by David Fucillo on Sep 27, 2010 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

and...

If he was calling plays and the team had success, why would you switch back to Raye a week later?

by David Fucillo on Sep 27, 2010 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

EXACTLY the point I was going to make.

You saw week 1, then you saw us get better in week 2, and in your mind you think , man I’d like to go back to whom called week 1? No way.

by hudd07 on Sep 27, 2010 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Huh , where did you read this ... !!

I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ...Jimmy Raye your no daisy ...!!

by Edggy on Sep 27, 2010 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dunno, but there were games last season he may have been calling the plays in the second half

There were a couple of games last season when the play calling in the second half (once we had fallen behind) was dramatically different than the first half (I’ll have to go back and check the archives to find which ones). I did wonder at the time if someone else was calling the plays when the O suddenly switched to pass-first with a lot of shotgun and 4 wide-out sets. If it is true Johnson was calling the plays in those games, then this may turn out OK, but that’s just speculation.

by suffrin9erfan on Sep 27, 2010 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I call BS , that never happened ...!!.

I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ...Jimmy Raye your no daisy ...!!

by Edggy on Sep 28, 2010 6:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm convinced Johnson called the MNF game against new Orleans

and wouldn’t be surprised if he called quite a few of the pre-season games.

Fire Jimmy Raye

by smileyman on Sep 28, 2010 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Westbrook needs to get matched with the sharp end of a fork cause he’s done but I’m willing to give him one last shot. I’m giving a few others on offense one last shot.

by bignerd on Sep 27, 2010 5:11 PM PDT reply actions  

yeah, it didn't seem particularly credible

as much as it would be great if it were true. My guess is that he was empowered to call the plays if there was an issue, and maybe he ended up calling a few, but as you say, why would they have gone back to Ray if somehow Johnson had been the architect of that night’s successful offense? I agree it was more about Saints D-Line, and maybe Snyder being an upgrade over Rachal?

by mwright84 on Sep 27, 2010 5:12 PM PDT reply actions  

I can’t believe the Raiders have a more interesting offense than the Niners. That hurts and is an unfamiliar feeling.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.

by SpurredOn on Sep 27, 2010 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I sure hope so...

Westbrook is a weapon, and right now, utilizing all our weapons would be a good start at turning this offense around.

"If you can accept losing, you can't win." ~Vince Lombardi
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by ZeroIndulgence on Sep 27, 2010 5:28 PM PDT reply actions  

I see..

Alot more screen passes and draws in Westbrook’s future, i’m not saying that Frank isnt a great receiving Running Back but it would be another option that the team needs to utilize. I’m for anything that gets that first W. Look I have no personal issues with Jimmy Raye as a man, i’m sure he’s a great man and has an extensive knowledge of offenses but it was clear to see that the man couldnt adapt, there was no second half adjustments, in the first half it was a close game (sure the offense was garbage but it was still close) but Jimmy Raye never adjusted, he saw what the Defense of the Chiefs were throwing at him and yet he continued running the same plays which werent getting any traction.

My hope is that Mike Johnson will adjust, alot of this game is physical but the physiological aspect of this game is just as important thats why guys like Mike McCarthy and Sean Payton are so successful, they understand not only their offense and the players and what they can do but also the Defenses that they are playing. They are great as making second half adjustments hopefully Mike Johnson can provide something close to that. The QB-OC relationship is huge in this league and it looks like Alex has that with Mike, he never had that with Jimmy Raye maybe it was the age difference or just being two completely different people but there was a disconnect that even when we had high hopes about this team we knew about. MIke also seems to have a better relationship with the other offensive weapons (Crabs, Vernon, Ted, Walker, Morgan, & Frank).

I think we also have to look at the way the offense was called in the preseason versus the regular season, it seems like Jimmy had no problem taking risk in the preseason versus the regular season. The man went into a shell week one and never came out even in the Saints game he was the same way, the offense made its move when they went into the No-Huddle where Alex was calling his own plays, Alex works best when his mind stops working and he keeps it simple he overthinks way too much and thats why he overthrows and gets tipped all the time. Keep It Simple Stupid, when he does that he is at his best Urban Meyer knew that and I hope Mike Johnson knows that

by Lok on Sep 27, 2010 5:36 PM PDT reply actions  

Red zone offense

Tis would be an ideal spot to put Gore and BW in the game together. Split backs, you can run inside or outside with both, do a swing pass or wheel route if you get one matched on a LB. They can both pick up the blitz. And they could both be decoys to open up the middle for VD.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.

by SpurredOn on Sep 27, 2010 6:53 PM PDT reply actions  

We have such a conservative coaching staff and it is killing us

There always seems to be some reason this coaching staff will only play the players they “trust” and not try anyone else out, even if it is obvious the inferior players or schemes are on the field. I remember when Westbrook joined us that Raye mentioned something about knowing of him, but not knowing anything much else about him. You have got to be kidding me. He barely knows about Brian Westbrook? Does Westbrook not have enough tape to show what he is capable of?

Raye let his “trust” of his guys blind him and it cost him his job. And it was not just Raye. It seems this mindset is an infection that permeates the team. In that respect I think Sing is to blame. We have made some attempts to rectify this (rookies on the o-line, dumping Wilhelm) , but we still have issues with this (Norris comes to mind). This is also a problem with drafting or signing slow, big corners the past few years as part of the old McCloughan way and placing our “trust” in them.

Funny how we make these decisions based on the players we use, but not the coaches we hire.

by CLS on Sep 27, 2010 7:06 PM PDT reply actions  

Sing need’s to let Johnson open up the playbook and stay out of the way.

Jimmy Raye es until!!! Mandanlo al demonio.

by 49erSalvatrucha on Sep 27, 2010 9:35 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Alex Smith

I don’t think Alex will be back next year. He can get you so far, but not over the hump. The best thing to do is draft a QB and Andrew Luck is probably the best pro style QB if he decides to turn pro. Alex will always have excuses, different OC’s every year, no protection, etc. etc. etc. With so much expectation this year, Sing may not return if this season flops really bad. 0-3 is bad already and the schedule is not getting any easier. There are no sure wins at this point after 3 poorly executed games. Mike Johnson will have to be a super OC for the rest of the year in order for Sing to keep his job.

by Rich88 on Sep 27, 2010 10:12 PM PDT reply actions  

Please don't build Johnson up: nobody knows how well he will do

He will probably call a better game than Raye (hard not to, really) and he will have Alex passing more and out of the Shotgun with 4 wide-outs, as that worked well for Alex last season. Other than that, it’s unlikely there will be a huge improvement next week, so don’t expect miracles. Look to the Eagles and Raiders games to see if he can help turn the Offense around, or not as he will have had enough time to put his mark on the Offense. Whatever happens, if Alex plays poorly the next 2 games he will almost certainly be benched and the Carr era (shudders) will begin.

by suffrin9erfan on Sep 27, 2010 11:09 PM PDT reply actions  

Huh , think'n they didn't go to Four wideout's last year but once or twice ...

…, maybe Two T.E’s & Two W.R ’s …!!

I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ...Jimmy Raye your no daisy ...!!

by Edggy on Sep 28, 2010 6:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

if the niners go 7-9 or worse

i think singletay is gone no matter how the offense does down the stretch

by yep12 on Sep 27, 2010 11:24 PM PDT reply actions  

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