49ers 2010 NFL Roster Cuts: Team reaches 53-man limit
by James Brady on Sep 3, 2010 2:46 PM PDT
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PrintThe 49ers made their roster cuts and there's a good deal to discuss. There's a few things of specific note, but first let me go ahead and list the final cuts, with a thanks to Matt Barrows of the Sac Bee for being on top of everything today. You can follow him on Twitter @mattbarrows.
Cuts
QB Jarrett Brown
RB Michael Robinson
FB Brit Miller
FB Jehuu Caulcrick
TE Tony Curtis
TE Joe Jon Finley
WR Jason Hill
WR Bobby Guillory
WR Kevin Jurovich
OT Matt Kopa
OG Brian de la Puente
C Cody Wallace
DL Khalif Mitchell
DE Will Tukuafu
DT Derek Walker
LB Bruce Davis
LB Keaton Kristick
LB Matt Wilhelm
LB Mike Balogun
CB Karl Paymah
S Chris Maragos
K Shane Andrus
Surprising cuts to me would be LB Matt Wilhelm, RB Michael Robinson and CB Karl Paymah. Cutting Wilhelm leaves the team with three inside linebackers by my count, so surely they have their eye on the waiver wire. Robinson, we all know how I feel about that one, but I am thinking that special teams will be fine this year, just a bit skeptical at the moment. One has to wonder if it will always be this stop-gap now, because the studs on ST this year will surely be starters next year. Paymah, I didn't like, but I honestly resigned myself to thinking he'd be in.
Make the jump for the 53-man roster as it stands now.
Quarterbacks (3) Alex Smith, David Carr, Nate Davis
Running Backs (3) Frank Gore, Brian Westbrook, Anthony Dixon
Fullbacks (1) Moran Norris
Tight Ends (3) Vernon Davis, Delanie Walker, Nate Byham
Wide Receivers (5) Michael Crabtree, Josh Morgan, Ted Ginn, Dominique Zeigler, Kyle Williams
Offensive Line (10) Joe Staley, Mike Iupati, Eric Heitmann, Chilo Rachal, Anthony Davis, Barry Sims, David Baas, Tony Wragge, Adam Snyder, Alex Boone
Defensive Line (6) Isaac Sopoaga, Aubrayo Franklin, Justin Smith, Ray McDonald, Ricky Jean Francois, Demetric Evans
Inside Linebackers (3) Patrick Willis, Takeo Spikes, NaVorro Bowman
Outside Linebackers (5) Parys Haralson, Manny Lawson, Ahmad Brooks, Diyral Briggs, Travis LaBoy
Cornerbacks (6) Nate Clements, Shawntae Spencer, Tarrell Brown, Will James, Phillip Adams, Tramaine Brock
Safeties (5) Dashon Goldson, Michael Lewis, Taylor Mays, Reggie Smith, Curtis Taylor
Specialists (3) Joe Nedney, Andy Lee, Brian Jennings
I imagine we'll see some more moves, I doubt the team sticks with three inside linebackers, so we'll see what happens on that front. One has to wonder who of this group is not safe. One thing we can probably count on is OL Tony Wragge being cut at some point around week three when Eric Heitmann is coming around. Could the team go with three inside until then? It will be interesting to find out.
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I think we will be fine without MRob
I really liked him too but I believe that we will easily replace him next year.
success
Dashon, Mays, and Bamm Bamm will get the record for most decapitations in one season
by MichaelClutchtree on Sep 3, 2010 2:47 PM PDT reply actions
Not enough.
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I know...
that we have almost 0% percent chance of Revis being on the niners this year. But would Nate Clements and a future first rounder be a good trade for both teams in your opinion?
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by Iupati_like_its_1999 on Sep 3, 2010 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Nate, and a 2nd and 4th or 3rd
For the disgruntled Revis. Nate, a 1st and 3rd for a non-disgruntled Revis with the Jets being constricted by cap in the coming years (potentially.)
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I wouldn't
Revis would immediately be more important than Goldson, Franklin, Lawson, Smith, Lee, Spencer and even Vernon Davis.
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I know Revis would be an improvement over any of those players
but I like to take care of “family” first. Besides the way I see it the only players I would extend is VD, Smith, Lawson, Spencer in that order.
Either way, the whole "family" mentality isn't a rule, so much as a guideline.
The cutting of Robinson shows that. He was a favorite to everyone in that locker room and the coaches loved him. If we could bring Revis in I’d be throwing cash at him.
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In my opinion
If you make someone love you they will work harder and longer for you. If you pay someone they will just work for the money. The only reason I would pay our players first is because you show that you will take care of your players and then they will take care of you.
I think these guys would understand though.
They know it’s a family and a business. I think Vernon would get paid regardless, and the other guys would understand.
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It's something you have to do to be successful, though.
Not saying like, you have to say screw all those guys, but money makes the league go round, and the first priority is winning.
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53 players playing and practicing harder
Will improve the team more then the added benefit of bringing Revis in.
That's an opinion, and one I don't agree with.
Revis pushes us over any other hump we have. That’s 100% playoffs guaranteed and a team to watch out for once we get there.
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In theory you could do both
If I can find that money post. I am sure that you could throw some money around to find a way to make everything work.
The one thing I hate about the NFL is the loyalty. I know this is a business but people can’t just screw people over.
We'd have enough to spread around, in my opinion.
So it’s really not even an issue. Remember, we’re giving Clements an awful lot of bills.
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I think there was a post on the money I'll throw some numbers together
and try to make it work perfectly. I don’t know much about contracts and stuff but how much do you think VD would get extended for.
thats a matter of opinion.
Id rather extend our young players first. clements is more than capable you add goldson spencer and mays then we can do with out revis. yea revis has his little fancy island but clements do things that revis doesn’t
"clements is more than capable" is up in the air.
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And yes, I said "I'd be..." so it was an opinion.
But this secondary is potentially out weakest position now. If you get top two in the league at the CB position, you drown him in cash.
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my reply was to your Revis would instantly be more important than all those players comment
you take away clements price tag and he’s more than capable yea he’s been lacking in the INT department but he still creates plenty of turnovers most cbs don’t do that. he has his own patent move
No way hed be more important than VD
He’s our best offensive weapon, at least he and Gore. You can’t beat a solid rb and te combo, that’s delirious IMO.
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by rlott#42 on Sep 4, 2010 1:10 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Between Brock and Adams I think the niners have struck gold.
by wtlichens on Sep 3, 2010 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yes...I said that if they cut Paymah, they would keep Brock. That Pick last night was awsome.
Right place at the right time. I’m glad that the 49ers are going with youth.
by ericalancanty on Sep 3, 2010 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Tukuafu, robinson, miller, and brown guaranteed PS?
Mass genocide is the most exhausting activity one can engage in, outside of soccer.
Robinson isn't eligible for the PS.
Tukuafu will probably be on there, but I think we’ll only keep two of Tukuafu, Mitchell and Walker. I think the team might like Mitchell and Walker more. I know Tukuafu won’t get claimed. Miller might be claimed. Brown should be guaranteed.
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He's a DE that plays like a 3-4 OLB
I’m pretty sure he was converted to DE in his Sr year. Give him one year to learn the system & I think he will be a really good player for us. He just needs to hopefully clear waivers and then just not be signed off the PS by another team.
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by Mangoman on Sep 3, 2010 9:17 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
not sure on PS rules lol
all good then… i just really like tukuafu and miller
Mass genocide is the most exhausting activity one can engage in, outside of soccer.
once you've been active for 9 games
you are ineligible for PS.
Robinson has been active for most games the past few seasons.
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MRob NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
How could you, Mike?
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Bertier: Yours.
Coach Boone: Now get on the bus. Put on your jacket first and then get on the bus.
Man I was right about a lot of things for these cuts.
Evans being a lock, ten offensive linemen, Will James, Ziggy, Moran Norris, Diyral Briggs.. etc.
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Once again my roster is jacked up!
Okay! Enough small talk let's get this division!
by chriscream on Sep 3, 2010 2:53 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
lol i feel ya...
i have decided to wait until final cuts before i start my franchise
by sanfranfanmdk on Sep 3, 2010 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions
wake up call
Coach is putting his team together. In all only 1 big shocker, but this is the nature of the game. I’m rdy to embrace a new culture of Niners football!
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by chriscream on Sep 3, 2010 2:52 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Here some more info , on some of the bigger cut's ...!!
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playernews.aspx?sport=NFL
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Saints waived C/G Nick Leckey… Leckey entered the offseason as the top interior line backup
Niners interested, maybe?
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Alphonso Smith?
Noticed that the Broncos are shopping him. I kinda like him.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Sep 3, 2010 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Clarifying
I’m not saying we give up the 5th they’re asking. Might be willing to go for one of our 7’s (how many do we have now? At least 2)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Sep 3, 2010 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions
a seventh wouldn't be bad
However, I don’t know what kind of corner Smith is. Any knowledge on him?
by ZeroOneInfinity on Sep 3, 2010 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions
why are they shopping him?
they traded their first round pick to get him and now they’re giving up on him after his rookie season? there’s something wrong with the broncos.
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That is an understatement
They also just released Jarvis Green who they gave a 4 year, $20 mil contract to this off-season. I don’t know how much was guaranteed, but it looks bad when they signed 3 or 4 veteran D-linemen and release one already. I know it’s an uncapped year, but you cannot waste money with bad signings like that.
As far as why they are shopping Smith, no idea. I guess he’s not as good as they had hoped and found a decent corner in the 5th round pick Perrish Cox.
by ZeroOneInfinity on Sep 4, 2010 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
I really
can’t believe we are going to carry 5 safeties.
Sam Fuld is the more accomplished Major League Hitter- Gordon Wittenmeyer
We might not.
A CB or a S (Brock, Taylor) will probably be cut in favor of an inside linebacker in the coming days.
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I would anticipate Brock
Coaches have stated their liking for Taylor and he does a lot on ST’s. He will be one of those guys I think expended to fill the void of Robinson and Miller.
Brooks
Brooks came into the league with cincy as a MLB… is it possible they are eyeing him to back up there. We seems to have plenty of depth at OLB.
I already talked about this in this thread...
… I’m thinking Briggs or LaBoy kicks in on an emergency basis considering how strong Lawson and Brooks are looking to come on at their respective positions this year. Kind of like when you have a loose cord that only seems to connect when you have it angled a certain way, you just never touch it again. Or the rabbit ear antennas on TV back in the day. Once it works, leave it alone.
I think Brooks is done as an ILB, even in an emergency.
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Thats exactly what I was thinking too, Coach Sing even said it himself in his conversation with the reporters he wants another ILB and we need someone to cut in order to get him on the team and I truly see them cutting Tremaine Brock rather than Taylor
by Lok on Sep 3, 2010 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions
DBs are valuable on special teams.
makes up for cutting M.Rob and Brit Miller.
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maybe just maybe singletary looking ahead at schedule with new orleans coming up at week 2 we gonna need all the secondary help we can get.. then after cut one of the safeties and add linebacker depth later
Yeah but those guys who made it on aren’t even going to play on defense this year. Taylor doesn’t even provide any decent coverage.
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We really don't need that many cornerbacks
I hope Robinson finds a team to pick him up. Maybe they’ll let him try out for QB!
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Bertier: Yours.
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Lewis stayed on the field despite his "lack" of coverage skills.
Im just sayin. He got beat by a FB on the wheel route. Maybe because its only ran in the combine?
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by rlott#42 on Sep 4, 2010 1:13 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
These roster cuts were probably the hardest ones in a while....
a lot of raw talent got cut… just think of how much (developed) talent is on the actual team?
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by Joshpreet on Sep 3, 2010 2:56 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
We're going big with o-linemen
Might be the key to victory.
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Bertier: Yours.
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Jeez, not a sentimental samurai
I guess if it comes down to m rob or Boone or something along those lines you gotta say bye. But miller and mrob? Guess we will see them in Seattle.
by HEXXhudd on Sep 3, 2010 3:15 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Yeah, I agree on the 3 surprise cuts
MRob is obviously the big news of the day, but Matt Wilhelm surprises me a lot. I really thought this team would carry 9 (or even 10) linebackers. Paymah indeed is a bit of a surprise, but not so much considering I thought he played rather poorly in the preseason.
Says a lot about Alex Boone that he made the team. My big question is Brock. Do they really need Brock (a 6th CB on a team that is also carrying 5 safeties)? Couldn’t that have gone to Wilhelm? Is Brock maybe a better ST player than Wilhelm or something?
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Wilhelm was pretty bad this preseason.
It seems he was running on adrenalin last year when we brought him in. The feeling for Wilhelm is that if the team needs him, they can sign him off the street much like last year and until then, Bowman can step in nicely.
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Bowman really does look like a mini-Willis out there. I’ve been very pleased with his play this preseason.
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He doesn't have to do much.
Similar build, both have great speed and good instincts. Both are great in coverage. Bowman really is a little (though not much more little) Willis.
Saw “little Willis” and thought someone had found out that’s what I nicknamed my genet… er… nevermind.
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Phil Barber did a good job describing their differences the other day. Bowman is better in coverage but doesn’t have the same range or tackling ability of Willis. I think I’ve seen Bowman hit a guy in the backfield the last three preseason games and not bring him down.
That’s a product of his speed and angle, he has too much force taking him north/south when he needs to turn east/west to bring a cutting guy down. It’s definitely not a strength issue, so he can be coached.
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Yeah, I would say they are at least decent.
by WesHanson on Sep 3, 2010 9:16 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
He really does.
I did notice that he still needs to work on wrapping up the ball carrier. Looking really good already though.
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Maybe.
I am not opposed to making him wait two years if Spikes comes back. Just mix Bowman in more and more. Spikes is literally the perfect TED linebacker for us.
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At the latest Bowman will start late in the 2011 season.
By then he should have matured into a great ILB.
Yep, agree.
I think Spikes can play here for as long as he wants to, but I want Bowman mixed in healthily.
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Agreed.
I love what Spikes does for this team. Hopefully we can get him to a few playoff games before he is done.
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Three is fine.
Number one seed, then make the AFC team cry in the Superbowl. Pull the starters midway through the second quarter, up 42-0, end up winning 56-0 after using QB spikes the entire forth quarter.
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Baalke and Sing
Greyeat Draft and undrafted signings! For them to keep Brock and drop Paymah proves that they want the best players whether they are experianced or not.
oh yeah
Our coach did his homework. I’m seeing why another GM left. Ego was hurt a little.
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by chriscream on Sep 3, 2010 4:27 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Dunno if this was mentioned before
We had all our 2010 draft picks make the roster did we not? If so, good job guys!
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by Badly Browned on Sep 3, 2010 3:25 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Thoughts on Robinson
Although a great player on special teams, he was almost useless as a running back…just sayin’. So rather than taking up a roster spot for someone with no upside on offense or defense, they add the younger linebackers, safties and corners to develop on special teams and bring them along in the game. Can see the long-term thinking about getting the maximum value from each player.
It’s a bitterweet day. As a player once said to me: “NFL, yeah, it means Not For Long.”
Jerry Glanville said that.
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Guess it's a common saying
among the many players getting traded to and fro. I hadn’t heard it until about a month or so ago.
Yeah, I believe Glanville may have said it first all those years ago and from that sound byte, it caught on. He was threatening a referee who called them on a PI.
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You could watch any Glanville clip and it would be funny, for the most part.
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What about one of him getting mauled by a polar bear? Would that be funny Ninjames?
by mr. instigator on Sep 3, 2010 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions
This is true
He was hilarious on Inside the NFL years ago (hilariously bad too) but you could easily tell everyone else on staff hated him.
Which is fantastic.
Love to love a guy that people love to hate.
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I love to hate a guy that people love to love.
by Andrew Davidson on Sep 3, 2010 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
This is acceptable as well.
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Everybody hates Hines Ward.
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by James Brady on Sep 3, 2010 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Funny, I can’t listen to a football game without the announcers coming across like Hines gave them the best sex ever last night.
He seems like he’d be a pretty stingy lover.
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Show me a Pittsburgh Steeler, and I’ll show you a player I hate. Except for Charlie Batch.
by Andrew Davidson on Sep 3, 2010 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions
You hate Dennis Dixon?
I hate you too then!
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I’m sorry you feel that way, especially for a guy with a username Amigo. :)
by Andrew Davidson on Sep 3, 2010 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I totally called Leftwich getting injured before the season start
My next hope is that Dixon does so well for his 4 games at starter that Pittsburgh will trade Big Ben
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Bertier: Yours.
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It was always a letdown
To see mrob lined up in the backfield. Can’t remember any runs over 5 yards let alone much past the line of scrimmage.
by HEXXhudd on Sep 3, 2010 3:33 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
It was not long ago we cut Rossum to make room for Crabs
And then had to deal with god awful kick returns for the rest of the season. Robinson was valuable in this same sense. Sometimes I get the feeling Sing doesn’t give a crap about special teams.
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Of course he believes he can.
They always do, and it seems to be pretty darn hit or miss. Let’s hope he hits. But I’m in doubt..
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He cares about special teams..
He wouldn’t have made all those moves for returners if he didn’t. People may not agree, but players like Mrob on ST are a dime a dozen, someone, i.e. Mays, Taylor, Dixon, Bowman can fill those voids. With guys like Reggie, Brock, Brown, and Walker there too. Even Zeigler has proven to be valuable on ST’s. Players who want to be on the field and make an impact in whatever way they can will step up on STs.
The team showed to have lots of potential depth this year and he clearly had to make a decision that one dimensional guys just had no place. It’s a good problem to have in my opinion.
Wilhelm lost his roster spot last night
He had two terrible plays. He gave up that 32 yard run with the 1st team defense, essentially Tolbert ran right by him. Later on Bowman was about to blow up a screen play but Wilhelm couldn’t find the running back (he was in plain sight I might add) and the Chargers ended up with 20 yard gain off a broken play.
Alex Boone made it!
I’m stoked boone made it on the roster. He’s got a bright future as Anthony Davis’ backup.
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by WeHaveCrabsAndVD on Sep 3, 2010 3:32 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I've never seen that used on here in the comments.
One of my favorite marks to use though when listing/citing though. Bonus points for you good sir.
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“to use though when _ though” good redundancy, Ninjames.
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What am I going to do without me Robinson Report???
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by return2greatness on Sep 3, 2010 3:35 PM PDT reply actions
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by return2greatness on Sep 3, 2010 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
TKO
must be feeling really healthy, which is great. 3 inside LBs its a small load but im sure we can pick one up off the street.
Actually, the team does have 4 ILBs. Patrick Willis, Takeo Spikes, Navorro Bowman and Takeo Spikes’ neck.
by Andrew Davidson on Sep 3, 2010 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions
No, TSN kicked outside to pick up some slack from Haralson.
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Let’s face it TSN (great job on that one by the way) can play any position in the front seven. Dude’s lucky he doesn’t have to wear a turtle neck.
by Andrew Davidson on Sep 3, 2010 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions
What about Brooks or Lawson?
Brooks used to be an ILB and Lawson’s skills better fit an ILB, so if we have depth at OLB, they could be back-up ILBs. Maybe that is what the coaches are thinking.
Just trying to rationalize the moves made so far.
by ZeroOneInfinity on Sep 3, 2010 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, but again ...
… I’m thinking Briggs or LaBoy kicks in on an emergency basis considering how strong Lawson and Brooks are looking to come on at their respective positions this year. Kind of like when you have a loose cord that only seems to connect when you have it angled a certain way, you just never touch it again. Or the rabbit ear antennas on TV back in the day. Once it works, leave it alone.
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Yeah I saw that comment once I went down farther
makes sense. But that the same time, having Lawson, Haralson, Brooks, and Willis on the field at the same time would make for some fun blitzes.
by ZeroOneInfinity on Sep 3, 2010 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions
My favorite blitz is sending Willis and Spikes at the same time.
I can’t recall a time where I witnessed it and they didn’t get a QB hit/sack.
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Double Barrell baby
Can’t wait until its Willis Bowmann!!
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
Spikes is sooo good with that though.
He pretty much demands a double team and then Willis is like SURPRISE
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But I like Bowman
I can’t wait till Willis makes Bowman into a little Willis. Then the MLB can be called Bam-Bam.
Oh I love Bowman.
My favorite 49er of all time is Jeff Ulbrich. My favorite current 49er is Takeo Spikes. And I absolutely adored the Bowman pick.
Seems that I like TED linebackers.
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Whaaat?
How do you not like Spikes? He is literally the perfect TED linebacker. He can cover just fine and he occupies blockers, stops running backs, sacks the QB.. etc.
And Ulbrich was the definition of a good soldier. Was even a good starter too when you look back on it.
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I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
When I said like I meant love
they were good but I didn’t truly believe that they had the opportunity to be a hall of famer. Ya it is a little early to say Bowman is going to be a hall of famer but I just have that little feeling that he is going to be great.
Your criteria for love is hall of famer?
Hm..
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Nah.
It’s not my place to judge you based on what makes you like or dislike a player lol.
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Its just a gut feeling
The players that I think will be awesome is: Alex Smith, Crabtree, Tukuafu and Bowman
I was speaking to "favorites."
Not who I think is the best on the team or anything. I loved Ulbrich, I love Spikes, and I feel great about Bowman as far as favoritism and future pro bowler is concerned.
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I love Ziggy.
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Yet it does not work that well in Madden
So sad.
by ZeroOneInfinity on Sep 3, 2010 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Whaaat?
LB Storm is one of the best blitz packages on the game. Spikes always occupies the left guard and almost always gets by him and Willis runs right past the center/right guard.
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Doesn't mean they hit the QB though
Madden 11 still has the problem where no matter what kind of AWR the QB has, he still gets the ball out of his hands before getting hit.
by ZeroOneInfinity on Sep 3, 2010 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't see that at all.
I see them a lot more vulnerable this time around, actually. I mean, I see it to an extent, but it’s not nearly as bad as on Madden NFL 10. Also, I don’t know if you mean the awareness rating, but since you said “AWR,” I may as well clear it up that the AWR rating has nothing to do with that on there.
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I did mean awareness
and that kind of goes towards another problem Madden has where they really do not have enough ratings. Is it even based on a rating right now on how well QBs make decisions or face the blitz? QBs should have some kind of rating on how they do against pressure. For instance, David Carr has a lot of problem when facing pressure, but other guys like Donovan McNabb handle it pretty well.
I do agree that it is not as bad as Madden 10, but it does still happen. I was facing Matt Cassel yesterday, and I did not even get a sack in the game. Quite perplexed by that one.
by ZeroOneInfinity on Sep 3, 2010 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions
The awareness rating itself does nothing in regards to the QB on Madden.
Just so you know. I agree with everything you just said, though. I do really like this version in comparison to 10, and especially 9. I just hate that so much dev time went to garbage like GameFlow and 30 bucks worth of Downloadable Content.
I didn’t pay for this game, by the way, nor did I pay for my online pass. I didn’t break any law, but I didn’t buy it because I think they don’t deserve my money until they actually work on developing a game as opposed to developing the next way to sell the brand.
I think the engine is vastly improved this year, and that was with minimal dev time. Think about what they could do if they actually devoted even 50% of time to working on the engine and animations.
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I know!
Madden needs competition because this is getting ridiculous. They make minor improvements and then add little things to try to bring in new players. Lame. But I do agree that this is the best version to come out since 07. Kind of sad really. If the Madden team has the skill and devotion other games have like Street Fighter, I think that game would blow our minds.
I find it funny that you did not buy the game because I did not technically buy my copy either. My cousin bought a new PS3 (Making himself a SSF4 arcade) and Madden came with it. He hates Madden, so he gave it to me and I bought him some tacos. I call that a win-win.
by ZeroOneInfinity on Sep 3, 2010 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions
EA puts out some quality games, which angers me about Madden.
The NHL games are great. skate 1, 2 and 3, outside of some online issues are almost flawless games. But for Madden, it’s the brand, not the game that matters to them.
Tacos for Madden is an acceptable tradeoff.
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When does the NFL license expire with EA?
I’m hoping EA gets their act together once they have some competition.
On a side note, do you know when the next roster update will be?
by ZeroOneInfinity on Sep 3, 2010 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions
The next roster update will probably be around Tuesday.
I’m not positive on that, could be as early as Monday morning.
I believe the NFL license was renewed recently for a good long time.
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Darn
well there goes the idea of competition. Maybe they just need to hire a new team to run Madden.
And yeah, that makes sense. Rosters won’t be completed until tomorrow and they probably are not going to work on the weekend to get a roster update out.
by ZeroOneInfinity on Sep 3, 2010 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Surprises
As many others, I’m not surprised by many of the cuts, besides M-Rob, but even then, not so much. There was no room for him in the backfield, and you can keep DBs to do special teams work.
For the practice squad, I’d like to see Brown, Caulcrick, and Davis, at least. Maybe even Maragos.
Surprised to me to make the team were Taylor and Boone, both of which I really like, but with the depth at their positions, I was wondering how they’d make the team. I like Taylor more than Lewis and Smith, tbh, so I’m glad he has a shot. Boone I like for future depth. I wonder if they kept him on in case they were worried about Staley’s health or Davis’ consistency, considering he’s still raw himself.
I'm with you
I like Taylor and I think he will be good. He will get his chance when Lewis and/or maybe Goldson are gone.
Micheal Lewis and Nate Davis
Our team is loaded with safeties. Nate Davis has not endeared himself to Sing. Both to Philly for Vick?
Feeling good about Carr and Davis?
by wtlichens on Sep 3, 2010 4:54 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Much better then Vick , even though Vick and Davis appear to have the same work ethic ...!!
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Most surprising roster "make"
Obviously Tramaine Brock from Bellhaven College (how many people can honestly say they have even heard of it and/or know where that is). But he’s more than likely an insurance policy. When James is fully healthy I’m pretty sure they let Brock go and either pick up a veteran ILB or sign whomever between Kristick or Balogun makes the PS. Wilhelm to me is not a surprising cut even though he did make a couple of decent plays last night. If all else fails and he is available, who knows. Like Tre said, someone goes to his garage and asks him to come back.
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by Mangoman on Sep 3, 2010 3:41 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Been a long time
It has been quite a while since it really mattered who the niners kept. And to see good players being not good enough. This will be a fun year.
Look at the players that we cut,
that means the ones we kept are better in someway that them. That says a hell of a lot for our talent that we kept!
That’s all I’m saying.
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Who is this Zeigler guy people keep talking about? ;)
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He is the old man
that use to live next to my Mom’s house; though we called him Ziggy.
I am pretty sure you guys know i am joking right? lol
by sanfranfanmdk on Sep 3, 2010 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
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I AM OUTRAGED!!!
Shane Andrus was cut. What is this? Do the 49ers NOT want me to watch their games or something? I take personal offense to said cut.
See Sing had a back up plan
mattbarrows
Singletary said he had three or four guys in mind who he hopes will replace Robinson as special teams captain. he did not name them
Who do we think with start at Safeties?
Goldson and Smith or Lewis?
Why??? You like your safeties not being able to cover slow tight ends?
by wtlichens on Sep 3, 2010 5:00 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Smith
I think that we do not extend Goldson instead in 2011 we start Smith and Mays instead. So we start Smith now so that he gets a jump start next year.
Think about it
Goldson wants top 5 safety money; Mays and Smith should be able to start as Safety by next year. No point in having 3 great safeties while 1 sit the bench.
I thought plenty
Considering Goldson very well could become a top 5 safety this year… he may end up worth the investment. And just because he wants top 5 money doesn’t mean he’ll get it, but they may be able to work out a contract that works for both sides.
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Goldson is all about the money
I have a feeling that once he gets paid he won’t be good. As for a happy sides contract it won’t happen, look at Revis. I would prefer to spend the money on VD, and Alex Smith.
How are you so sure?
I might have a bit of concern about whether Goldston will be a team player or not, but I don’t think we’ll end up in a Revis situation. Nobody will be saying Goldston is the best safety in the game, so he won’t have nearly as much fuel. And yes, you have to prioritize VD and Smith (assuming he has a good year like I expect he will), but this team has done a good job with contracts in recent years. Also, I think they will prioritize Goldston high enough to get a contract done. I would also like to see them keep Lawson, but you’d think something will have to give at some point.
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Somemone..manraj I think..
started talking about the draft for next year and they and Steven C were talking about who to draft. Adding my two cents to it. At this early time it looks like there might be some good CBs in the second so maybe go for DL or LB in the first and CB in the second. At third I"d like go for Christian Ballard (Adrian Clayborn’s teammate) to go in as a DE for us and possible heir to Smith. If we don’t seem to need to go CB in the first I’d like to see us go after DT Jerrell Powe or OLB Vonn Miller.
Anyway just floating out some ideas and such.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Sep 3, 2010 4:09 PM PDT reply actions
I don't think it is necessary to go for a DE early in the draft.
We are deep there if we draft for the defense I would take a CB, but depending on how Alex Smith plays I would like to pick a QB.
Yeah but when you take a DL early
They’re generally hugely deserving and massively game-changing guys. If there’s one of them in the first, I’d do it and say bye to Soap.
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Thats true
I would get rid of Soap too, but I would want the new guy to be genuinely better then him.
Yeah Soap Don't wash with me.
Not a big fan of him. In one thru 4 we’ll probably have a chance at the following DL: DT/NT Jerrell Powe i the first, a few DE’s availalbe in the 2nd like Allen Bailey and Jarvis Jenkins, DE Christian Ballard in the 3rd and DT/NT Kendrick Ellis in the 3rd. At CB we would probably have a chance in the second at the two texas dudes (Aaron Williams and Curtis Brown).Looking over things we might have a shallow chance at getting Ras-I Dowling (thinkng we pick at like 21-24) and that is iffy.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Sep 3, 2010 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Will depend..
how the guys look. I mean we have Soap on one end and Smith at the other. Smith is a wonder man but he is getting on up in years and I am not a big fan of Soap. We probably won’t do a deal with Franklin. It taking 3 yrs to really build up a DL guy, it would be nice to groom some guys.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Sep 3, 2010 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Old and good players
The beauty with these guys is that you can draft a late round pick and have the younger guy pick up information from the older guy. Thus saving you a high draft pick and improving your team at the same time.
Smith is 30.
He has at least 3 years in him if not 5 or 6. So yeah, if we were to draft a replacement or project guy, next year’s draft makes a lot of sense.
However, I would not be so sure that Franklin is out the door. We could make him a 3 year deal like Casey Hampton got or a little longer since he’s younger than Hampton. Of course, I think the main problem has been that Franklin only excelled last season, so they want to see if he can do it again this season.
by ZeroOneInfinity on Sep 3, 2010 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions
RJF did awesome during the preseason
Hopefully he gets some snaps during the regular season so that we can see if he can excel in the regular season.
Depends on where you want him to take snaps
because I would like to see RJF at LDE this season. He would be an instant upgrade over Sopoaga and can provide a pass rush.
by ZeroOneInfinity on Sep 3, 2010 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Why do you want to replace Franklin?
If Franklin proves that he can play at a high level again, then we could solidify the front 7 by making RJF the LDE. Franklin is better than Sopoaga, so I would try to find Sopoaga’s replacement first.
by ZeroOneInfinity on Sep 3, 2010 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Money
We do not have infinte amount of money. If there is no drop off and RJF plays for cheaper. We could trade Franklin for a high draft pick (NT are very high priced) and still have a decent front.
But eventually you would have to pay RJF then
eventually you will have to sign a NT for what they are worth. We cannot keep cycling in NTs just because we do not want to pay them. If Franklin proves that he can continue to play at a high level, then we are looking at a contract of about $7 mil a year for a top tier NT. That is well worth the money when you are talking about how how expensive other positions have become. We would not be a good defense without a good NT.
by ZeroOneInfinity on Sep 3, 2010 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions
That's why there's drafts and free agens
I get what you’re saying about resigning players but you can’t pay big money to everybody on your team who deserves it.
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That is true
but 7 mil a season is not that bad for a top tier starter. As far as the draft goes, you do not want to keep cycling in new talent every 3-4 years especially when it takes an average of 3 years for D-linemen to develop. This is an honest question, but other than 34 year old Jamal Williams coming on a season spent on injury reserve, when was the last time a high level NT hit free agency? I am used to hearing that NTs just don’t hit free agency much like LTs.
by ZeroOneInfinity on Sep 3, 2010 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Another reason why putitng RJF in
If you really want to resign Franklin you can use RJF as leverage against Franklin so that we can get a better deal.
lets just save those early round picks for a
quarterba……cornerback (please god let this comment be unnecessary by seasons end.)
49ers biggest needs for the future in general:
1. Franchise QB
2. DBs (CBs in particular) who can play tight man-to-man coverage, and are fast enough not to get beat deep.
3. LDE
4. RG
5. more pass rushers
6. certainly couldn’t hurt to upgrade over Josh Morgan at #2 WR (although i don’t think it’s urgent)
7. Kory Sheets (since he was our future)
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Qb for sure but I’m not sure Frankin will be back next year. Maybe a nose guard to split time with RJ Francois.
by wtlichens on Sep 3, 2010 5:06 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Ok kinda coming in late and not gonna go thru 700 posts to catch up LOL
So in looking at the cuts I’m hoping to see these guys on PS:
K. Mitchell, Will Tukafu, Bobby Guillory (maybe), Britt Miller
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Sep 3, 2010 4:13 PM PDT reply actions
Nothing too surprising
It is a bit surprising to see the team carry just 6 DL, but like Ninjames pointed out in a few posts, the team probably has its eye on the waiver wire. I’m thinking for an additional DL instead of ILB though. The team should be fine with just 3 ILBs since Wilhelm will likely be available if the team needs him.
The special teams unit appears to have taken quite a hit, but I think the other guys will fill in more than adequately. Also, the team’s practise squad should turn out to be fairly stacked (in terms of practise squads being stacked). Can’t say I’m sad about any of these cuts, but I will miss M-Rob. Here’s hoping he retires from playing football and becomes a special teams coach with the 49ers one day.
Yeah I talked a bit more about ILB after I made this post.
As in, I don’t see them going for one now. If they need one, they’ll sign one off the street.
But I’m not sure we get another DL, and that’s because Diyral Briggs and Travis LaBoy will give way to Ahmad Brooks when he’s healthy, and the two of them played very well at DE this preseason. Briggs looked good at 3-4 DE and Nickel DE, and I only remember seeing LaBoy at Nickel DE.
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I’m more inclined to think that Briggs would play ILB in emergency situations. Brooks is the kind of guy we don’t want to move around again. He’s found “it,” or very close to it.
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Pretty nice when...
you look at the LB corps and you see a young PWilly and Brooks and Briggs and Bowmann available. And hopefully we can keep Lawson and Haralson is nothing to sneeze at.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Sep 3, 2010 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions
sing basically said
robinson just didn’t bring enough to the table-he reads this site. i’m sure of it.
Which is hilarious considering his previous statements about special teams.
“3-4 core special teamers.” Then later on “5-7.” Now: “None, they have to contribute elsewhere.”
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Some players will probably be a core player
he just wants them to have the ability to play elsewhere. At least that what I would want from a player. Maybe the developing players play ST until they are ready to start.
That's not what "core player" really means, though.
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It's just implied that for core players, special teams will be valued more than other aspects.
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it could have been briggs or ziegler who got cut
as opposed to robinson/hill.
ill take those odds for improvement every day
Yeah but :-)
Essentially MRob was the captain and to a degree the QB on the ST unit so that’s a bit worrisome. Now if Miller had been kept, my reaction woulda been shrug cuz I think Miller could learn to take over that postion. But who do we have in the waiting to take that spot? Scotty McK is a possibility but not this year.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Sep 3, 2010 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions
briggs can tackle
teach him to fumble and he can be the next mrob.
shoot, he already fumbles pretty good.
he has the same build and i’m sure he’s got about the same weight.
LOL Ouch!
But good point and I’m hoping that Byham looks pretty good at ST too. Trust me I’m not running around like Chicken Little going “The sky is falling! We’re going 0-16..the Lions were undefeated too!” LOL I’m just noting that it’s a part of the team which the cuts seem to put in a possible trouble spot.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Sep 3, 2010 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions
the dude fumbles in the 1st preseason game.....
which happens to be one of the sloppier of the games being that it is the first, and suddenly he has Adrian Peterson fumblitis?
by sanfranfanmdk on Sep 3, 2010 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Small sample size warning...
But M.Rob has 86 NFL carries and 2 fumbles, good for 1 out of 43 carries (receptions excluded, regular season). Peterson (receptions excluded, regular season) had 1 out of 44 last season, and averages 1 per 45.75 (same caveats) for his career. Lets not get crazy about M.Rob’s ball control ability.
this is exactly what i was tryin to say
thanks for number crunching =)
He has had 2 fumbles (only 1 lost)
out of 4 years…plus throw in 43 receptions…and you can’t just leave out games where Peterson had a boat load of fumbles to try and further your point (i.e. playoff games)….i really wouldn’t say he fumbles all the time like people are trying to make it seem
by sanfranfanmdk on Sep 3, 2010 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Also throw in 30 kick returns....
none of which were fumbled
by sanfranfanmdk on Sep 3, 2010 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions
There's no way to compare playoff games
Because there’s not a team in the league that’d be giving M.Rob carries in a playoff situation.
To be honest the whole leaving out receptions was to make it more reasonable, given that Peterson has had nearly twice as many receptions (83 to 43), and has had a similar fumble rate.
The whole point is that if you consider Peterson having fumble problems, then Robinson has had a similar fumble rate (from what we’ve seen), hence the whole “lets not get crazy about M.Robinson’s ball control ability.” There’s little to no evidence that he possesses even an average skill in holding onto the ball.
Well the Peterson comparison was more of a joke
because of the NFC championship game, and i will take any chance i can to take shots at the Viqueens, but you have to factor in all of Robinsons touches for the simple fact that he isn’t a featured part of the offense like a Peterson, and you throw in the returns and Robinson only fumbles 1.25% of the time he touches the ball, so I wouldn’t say he has a propensity for fumbling
by sanfranfanmdk on Sep 3, 2010 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions
that wasn't his only fumble
hes had about 1 a year, with 18-26 carries per year. those arent beautiful stats
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that ST helps both those teams get in a good position to accomplish those goals.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Sep 3, 2010 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd rather have Robinson than Briggs or Zeigler.
As far as overall success of this team this year. Yeah. I said it.
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well you cant have him
so man up and deal with it haha
I did already.
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This statement is way too irresponsible to even go further.
by ericalancanty on Sep 3, 2010 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks bro.
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Briggs maybe
but Zeigler will see action regularly, Briggs only if Brooks insn’t back or via injury
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
Not Briggs he looks like he can rush the QB out of the nickel and free Lawson up for coverage.
Id take Briggs and Ziggy over m rob but m rob over the last cb and taylor. M Roob to the seahawks..lol
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Id definitely take him over Taylorr.
Didn’t M Rob make a key block in that punt return for TD?
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by rlott#42 on Sep 4, 2010 1:23 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Don’t forget folks brooks played inside linebacker in college. So actually we do have four inside linebackers.
by bmcrae83@yahoo.com on Sep 3, 2010 4:27 PM PDT reply actions
So who now carries the title "Biggest Waste of Space" on the roster?
Keep in mind the 2009 Roster was full of players fans vouched as candidates. A year later and the majority of them are gone. Almost feel as though it’s going to get quiet around here. Who is left to hate? Soap & Alex? Anyone new stepping up by taking a few steps back?
2009 Opening Day Roster
Offense
QB (3): Shaun Hill, Alex Smith, Nate Davis
RB (3): Frank Gore, Glen Coffee, Michael Robinson
FB (1): Moran Norris
WR (6): Isaac Bruce, Josh Morgan, Arnaz Battle, Jason Hill, Micheal Spurlock, Brandon Jones
TE (2): Vernon Davis, Delanie Walker
LT (2): Joe Staley, Barry Sims
LG (1): David Baas
C (2): Eric Heitmann, Cody Wallace
RG (2): Chilo Rachal, Tony Wragge
RT (2): Adam Snyder, Tony Pashos
Defense
DE (6): Justin Smith, Isaac Sopoaga, Kentwan Balmer, Demetric Evans, Ray McDonald, Ricky Jean-Francois
DT (1): Aubrayo Franklin
OLB (4): Manny Lawson, Parys Haralson, Ahmad Brooks, Marques Harris
ILB (4): Patrick Willis, Takeo Spikes, Jeff Ulbrich, Scott McKillop
CB (5): Nate Clements, Shawntae Spencer, Dre Bly, Tarell Brown, Marcus Hudson
FS (2): Dashon Goldson, Mark Roman
SS (3): Michael Lewis, Reggie Smith, Curtis Taylor
Special Teams
K: Joe Nedney
P: Andy Lee
LS: Brian Jennings
KR/PR: Allen Rossum
it's funny
How mediocre that roster looks. It’s also funny that anyone thought that could be a playoff team.
This year’s roster actually makes the 49ers look like a franchise with upside.
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by youALREADYknow on Sep 3, 2010 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions
it really isnt as pretty
as i thought it looked last year. ill definitely give you that
Just about every position on that roster looks so much better this year
Pretty much all of the offense except QB ironically. Just about all of the D as well. CB is still a little iffy, but still pretty comparable. Might be just as good or even a little better when James is healthy.
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Except QB?
Smith is a lot better than Sean Hill
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
If you look at it in terms of starting QB's then yeah
Even QB is better. But I’m not sure Carr is better than Hill the backup.
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I'm no Carr fan (unless he is forced to play)
but he is a more mobile and experienced QB than Hill with equal “game management” (aka no arm) qualities
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
but how do we know
we aren’t homering the same way? Oh wait…. Sean Hill, Isaac Bruce, Arnaz Battle…
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
meh, special teams
is not all about individual players and “intangibles”. besides returners and kickers, any 2nd and 3rd stringers could do the job fine.
special teams is more about coaching and working together as a unit than individual players, making sure everyone is in the right place at the right time.
the scrubs(non-starters) are always on special teams on every single football team from pop warner to the pros.
if you can’t offer anything else while there are other players with more upside and brighter futures then you’re going to lose the job.
in this tough economy, you gotta diversify your skillset, lol
easy to please
I’m just still celebrating the fact Roman is gone. Too many times we witnessed ten players on D killing themselves so that one could give up the game. (see favre last second win 2009 and cards pass to T.E for TD in 2008)
by wtlichens on Sep 3, 2010 5:29 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
M Rob
I’m very sad to loose him and I think he got the shaft for a few reasons.
1) Guys like him, work ethic ect., are supposed to stick around (see Ulbrick).
2) He was NEVER used in ANY offensive trick plays, despite the fact that he was QB for the #2 ranked team in the nation.
3) He was always VERY VERY conservative when running. Now I know everyone is gonna say he was just a bad runner, but I feel as if he ran conservatively on purpose – maybe even more so because of Sing. When he ran as a QB in college he wasn’t
a) hunched over obsessively holding the ball with 2 hands
b) trying way too hard to follow his lead blocks.
If he had just played straight football like he did in other areas of his game I think he would have been much better.
You will be missed Mr. Robinson.
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
final tribute
why did we never use these skills?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cy323D8Go3o
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
i was curious enough to start watching that
i cannot stand that woman who calls college games.
lol
I kept the sound off. Nice final play though NO?!
Also, do you notice how much more comfortable he looks when he holds the ball with ONE HAND?
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
Not missed by many. When we needed a yard to convert on third down, who leaned weakly into the line for no gain?Michael Robinson. And for someone who was a special teams leader, who had way too many penalties? Micheal Robinson. Good luck with the Lions Mr. Robinson.
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Wooow.
I have no words for this. lmao.
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really?
I remember him getting plenty of 3rd and shorts, including a beasting in Seattle where he surely was stopped and then beated forward for the first down.
Funny none of this was ever mentioned.
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
Not missed by many. When we needed a yard to convert on third down, who leaned weakly into the line for no gain?Michael Robinson. And for someone who was a special teams leader, who had way too many penalties? Micheal Robinson. Good luck with the Lions Mr. Robinson.
by wtlichens on Sep 3, 2010 7:26 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Ok probably stupid question don't laugh..ok feel free to laugh
As far as practice squad is there really a …lacking a better word..structure to it..I mean as far the “types” of players ..should we expect that certain types will be on there? I mean can we assume that there will be a QB for instance on the PS or does that not matter?
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Sep 3, 2010 5:48 PM PDT reply actions
well
we could sign a player to the PS because he has a lot of potential
There’s also the consideration that a certain position may need depth in the immediate future, say perhaps KR\PR
so those are two constraints on the PS
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
with our injured PR
and a KR who is a #3 WR? Adams had a nice return, but he also fumbled one which could have easily been a TO
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
Adams is a good PR
Yes, he fumbled the ball but even then he is a vast improvement over last year PR. Adams knows when to catch the ball, when to call a fair catch, and how to catch the ball. It also helps that he can actually return the ball to a decent amount giving our offense a decent field position. Something we did not have last season. Ginn was the #1 for Miami and still fielded kicks.
vast?
well after cutting Rossum – an obvious bad more
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by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
Wasn't Rossum always injured
and yes compared to the punt returns that we had last year. Take the 2nd seahawks game remember the punt return, or all of Battle punts returns. I do not know about you but last year every time they punted the ball I covered my eyes so I won’t see the fumble.
Point being
without Rossum
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by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
yeah he was
but I’d rather have a hobbled Rossum fair catching than a Battle or Jones
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by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
Ok we have a good idea of the cuts..what about the pickups?
There are some guys that are gonna be let go on other teams, some that may be good. Any you guys see that might be worth thinking of putting on the team?
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Sep 3, 2010 5:49 PM PDT reply actions
It will be interesting
tonight and tomorrow morning to see who gets cut elsewhere
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
Agreed
I’ve been flipping thru the ESPN transactions. The Rubber hits the road now. We still have Evans on the team at the moment right? In my mind he’s taking up a spot that someone else could fill at some position.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Sep 3, 2010 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Mitchell or Tukuafu would have been a better choice.
by ericalancanty on Sep 3, 2010 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Totally agreed on both
Maybe I’m part of a small group but looking at our DL I don’t like Soap too much. Don’t like Evans really at all. Like McD, like/love RJF, Love Aubrayo but don’t think he will last long on the team. LOVE Love Love the Cowboy but he’s a bit long in the tooth. So yeah I see us a bit short on potential on our DL.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Sep 3, 2010 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions
same here
NFL will not get much sleep tonight
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
I saw the Texans cut Jacques Reeves
I know he’s a decent corner and would be great depth if we can sign him cheap. But he was a starter for them last season, so I’m sure a team needing a corner might be willing to give him starting time.
by ZeroOneInfinity on Sep 3, 2010 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah he's a good prospect
and also Alphonso Smith. Just have a feeling he could be good.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Sep 3, 2010 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I really, really, really, really like Alphonso Smith.
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But has Smith been cut yet?
I thought the Broncos were still trying to trade him?
by ZeroOneInfinity on Sep 3, 2010 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Nope he's not been cut
Might want to put one or two of our 7’s on him. Or just wait. Broncos are hurting it sounds like.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Sep 3, 2010 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I heard they want a fifth round pick for him
But that is not going to happen especially when Josh Wilson went for a conditional fifth round pick and he was a starter last season.
by ZeroOneInfinity on Sep 3, 2010 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah he's not going for a 5
I like him a lot but not at that price point. We’ve made some good late rounders though so we could wait a bit and either see if he gets cut or jump the gun a bit. I think we have currently: 2 4’s, 1 5, 2 6’s and 2 7’s
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Sep 4, 2010 5:17 AM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn't mind giving them a seventh
Smith does have some talent, but like these3words mentioned, why are the Broncos trying to trade him? Is it just because they have the depth and no need for Smith? However, that has got to make Broncos’ fans a bit upset to see that they spent a first round pick to trade back into the draft to grab this guy and said that they thought he was worth a first round pick. Now, how are they going to justify using a first on this guy when they are ready to get rid of him the next year?
by ZeroOneInfinity on Sep 4, 2010 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
It says alot, when Sing give the special teams coach alot of say in the choices....
And they cut Robinson. Robinson is not as athletics as some of the guys they have now. I know that Ninjames loves him, but they may have found a guy that is better to replace him.
Do you think that the Niners might be able to get another first this year.
Because I really liked the Panther watch
well considering that would involve
trading one of our best players I certainly hope not
I don’t think that at all… and of course this is all speculation on your behalf
by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
a loosing bet maybe
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by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
That would be awesome.
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It looks like they kept Will James...surprising since he is injured and didn't do anything.
Maybe he needs to be healty for them to cut him so they don’t have to do an injury settlement. That is why they have 11 DB’s. Maybe in a few weeks, James is cut.
I also said they would keep an extra OL (Boone) because of the injury…..look for Wragge to get cut when Heitmann returns.
snyder
adam snyder will go when heitmann is back and we def should push for revis realistically he be great for us we got larry fitzgerald to dweal with twice a year
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that word is “well”
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Sep 3, 2010 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
Staley, Iupati, Heitmann, Baas, Chilo, Sims, Davis. That’s 7 and if we go 8 do we keep Wragge, Snyder, Boone?
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Sep 3, 2010 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions
It won't be Snyder.
Wragge will leave. Snyder is a good guard, and always has been. He’ll be an even better center if he practices more at it, too.
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He'll be gone next year once
1) Heitmann is healthy
2) we pick up another C\G might even happen this year
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by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
i think we may go for a g/c off waivers this year cuz baas cant seem to stay healthy for any length of time
cuz baas
sounds like some crazy hybrid german
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by Drew K on Apr 14, 2010 2:05 PM PDT
Of all time?
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93 Sam Huff
Surprising. I thought he’d be higher.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Sep 3, 2010 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions
That might be a fun fan post ....
… for us to predict our favorite’s …!!
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Tks for the reminder
the series is now on my DVR for recording :-)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Sep 3, 2010 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Just finished watching niners v. Raiders. If we need to get down to 52 Byham is a good candidate. Multiple drops in that game. Multiple drops v. Chargers. We had 2 T.E’s last year with no problems. If we need blocking, use an extra tackle.
by wtlichens on Sep 3, 2010 7:09 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Multiple drops?
He was hit hard several times forcing most of those drops, and he’s not even a pass-catching tight end. I think we can all say he has FAR exceeded our expectations this offseason/preseason in regards to his blocking and pass catching. I didn’t like the pick, but I’m glad he’s on.
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I liked him in the fullback role. But odd as it sounds, I’d rather have Walker do that unless we have him catching on that play. Walker isn’t a very good blocker off the line, but every time he motions to that h-back, fullback role he makes crushing blocks. I suppose this means that when he has time to get moving, he blocks very well.
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Battering ram huh?
I like Byham a lot he can play H-Back, TE, Fullback can catch ok
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Sep 3, 2010 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions
We need to start getting more versatile.
Davis, Walker at the LOS. Gore in backfield with Byham at FB. It says “RUN!” all day, but is Byham can get some explosion and get out there to catch fast enough, and Davis potentially stays in to block and maybe tries to get open in the second half of the play, with Walker going deep and Gore staying in to block a blitz… that play could be dangerous.
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Me Likee :-)
I like plays like that.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Sep 3, 2010 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions
watch again. Wide open. Simple drops. Ask Nate Davis v. Chargers. One of his int’s went right through his bricks.
by wtlichens on Sep 3, 2010 7:30 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
And I counter that with several very good catches.
And also the fact that, you know, he’s not a pass-catching tight end but a very versatile blocker who can play an h-back role and probably even run the ball a little bit. His catching skills are far beyond what anyone projected.
Are you suggesting that Tramaine Brock or Curtis Taylor provide more than Byham at this point in time?
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Brock YES. On a team that has produced underachieving cb’s like langham, drakeford, Strickland, and even Clements,I want to see a corner with attitude. I see that in Adams and Brock. Byham IMAO needs to learn to get rid of his stone hands or become “bear pascoe” IN MY HUMBLE OPINION.
by wtlichens on Sep 3, 2010 7:52 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
You think Brock has shown more than Byham? You think Brock will even be active? You think that if he is active, he’ll ever see the field? Hmm…
Beyond that, Byham could have stone hands all darn day and I’d be OK with it, considering he’s NOT A PASS CATCHER. Just saying, bro, that’s like judging Moran Norris harshly because he’s a poor runner (when really you should be judging him that he’s not very good lead blocking anymore). Byham has shown decent hands throughout three of the four games. You’re going off of one game here. I just don’t get this at all.
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Davis is a very gooD blocker who CAN catch. Why use a valuable spot on a T.E. Who might surprise us if he makes a catch? We did o.k. With 2 T.E’s last year.
by wtlichens on Sep 3, 2010 8:08 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
You say that
yet you are not saying Tedd Ginn should be cut. It’s questionable if Ginn will catch the ball when thrown his direction and HE is a WR. But he adds something that we don’t have a lot of and that’s speed at the WR position. Byham offers a blocking TE who can also catch so it is not an automatic that when he’s on the field that we are running the ball. He adds another element to the offense.
By the way, Brock has not played against #1 offenses yet so he is way unproven. He will probably make the PS, but that is less likely for someone like Byham.
by ZeroOneInfinity on Sep 3, 2010 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions
It's clear that the team wants a blocking tight end.
A lot of teams carry a blocking tight end. The 49ers generally do. Last year wasn’t the rule, it was the exception.
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and it was two games that he had at least three passes whiz through his mitts each game. Which. I would be ok with if I thought they would ever pass to him. But in recent history the niners have given the ball to Adam walker, Michael Robinson, Moran Norris, Fred Beasley when the game was on the line djust because they were on the roster. It has been a tough last ten years.Sorry.
by wtlichens on Sep 3, 2010 8:19 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
No. This isn’t true. There isn’t two games where he had at least three passes “whiz through his mits.”
You show me the plays, I’ll agree. The burden of proof is on you, but now you’re exaggerating.
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Two passes on one drive in second quarter v. Raiders. Three passed v. Chargers bounced off him, one causing a int. Watch the games, then reply.
by wtlichens on Sep 3, 2010 8:30 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Watch the way you talk to people around here, friend. Don’t you tell me to “watch the games, then reply.” I devote too much damn time to watching the games and writing about them to hear that crap.
You just described five passes when your statement implied six. I’ll re-watch the Raiders game tonight, but I recall him getting hit really hard in the second quarter and dropping a pass, if that’s one you’re implying, then yeah, I don’t even know.
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Ugh. Screw it.
Just don’t even reply to this. Seriously, one day can’t go by with discussion without someone being a child and saying things like “watch the game first.”
I sincerely apologize for disagreeing with you.
I’m out.
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No hostility intended bro. Just saw way too many dropped passes when the qb’s have been targeted for problms. Just want Smith or Carr to succeed this year.m
by wtlichens on Sep 3, 2010 8:48 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
No hostility intended bro. Just saw way too many dropped passes when the qb’s have been targeted for problms. Just want Smith or Carr to succeed this year.m
by wtlichens on Sep 3, 2010 8:48 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
not trying to belittle any niner fan. The “child” comment was quite cheap but I understand. Hope all goes your way this year.
by wtlichens on Sep 3, 2010 9:06 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
The child comment comes after you had the audacity to tell me I don’t watch the damn games, dude. It’s completely different. It just doesn’t matter anymore, OK? Just drop it. Forget it. I don’t care.
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Infinitely.
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Totally uncalled for
and for a blocking TE who barely caught any balls in college Byham did pretty good.
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After the misses, Byham caught the 2 pt conversion in the Raiders game to give us a 4 point lead. It would have been a 2 point lead had he dropped it, leaving the Raiders a chance to win with just a FG. I look at that as a pre-season version of a clutch situation since nobody goes for a tie.
Byham’s going to be good once his jitters calm down.
Hope your right mctee. Nothing more important than winning the west.
by wtlichens on Sep 3, 2010 9:13 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Byham got the jitters
after his first big NFL hit in the Vikings game. He just needs to get over that fear of annihilation :).
Davis is a very gooD blocker who CAN catch.
That’s still up in the air. VD lead the league in drops last year.
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by Hoopers Judge on Sep 3, 2010 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah. And Crabs has this great reputation for catching the ball (he does use his hands very well), but he was among the league leaders in drops and he even missed several games.
Honestly, I think Smith’s 60% completions last year was pretty impressive considering all the drops (and several ints that bounced off the receiver’s hands). You don’t see those kinds of things on championship teams. You have to value the ball like it’s your own child, and that’s one of my concerns about this football team. Will they catch that third down throw? Are they going to stop giving away free interceptions? This team needs to clean that up if they want to be true contenders.
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Rate stats please.
VD had a 60% catch rate (Football Outsiders), which while not great wasn’t absolutely terrible. Rate stats are the way to go, you can only rack up a ton of a bad counting stat if you’re actually good enough to stay on the field in the first place.
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The Niners kept Will James (which I like) even though he will be out a few weeks. Karl Paymah just wasn’t good enough to be on a team looking to win their division, it was that simple with him. I am wondering if Brock is. Just a stop gap until we see what’s on the waiver wire. I absolutely don’t understand the release of Matt Wilhelm, this only leaves us with 3 ILBs with the back up a rookie 3rd round pick, allbeit talented. As I mentioned before the Robinson release pleased me, simply because he was too one dimensional (ST), and doesn’t even return puntss. However, we HAD to keep either him or Jehuu and we didn’t. I like that Alex Boone, Dyrell Briggs, Nate Byham, and Curtid Taylor remained on the roster; that said keeping 5 safeties is questionable because Smith and Mays can easily take over for the injured starters if need be
I honestly think the 49ers have some things up there sleeves in the coming days either in free agency, waiver wire, or trade. We will NOT start the season with 3 ILBs and Brock one injury away from being our nickel corner
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Sep 3, 2010 7:39 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Regarding the three ILBs
It’s very possible we only keep three. Remember, they signed Wilhelm off the street last year. Bowman can play when someone is hurt or tired and if they need one they can bring someone in. It’s not so crazy.
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And what happens to McK
Is he gone next year or kept as a backup and ST ace or what?
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Sep 3, 2010 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I think he's back for sure.
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that puts us at..
The following as far as LB next year.
PWilly, Bowmann, Mckillop, Lawson, Brooks, Briggs, Haralson.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Sep 3, 2010 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Don’t forget TSN. Takeo might retire, but his neck will play another 5 years with the team.
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Spikes would great as a lb coach for Willis and Bowman next year.
by wtlichens on Sep 3, 2010 7:59 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm not understanding why people are saying we only have 3 ILB's when we have 4 (without Wilhelm)
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