NFL Rosters: 2005 49ers versus 2010 49ers
by David Fucillo on Sep 5, 2010 10:00 AM PDT
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PrintA few days ago, MichaelClutchtree had a great FanPost that took a look at the starting offense for the 2005 San Francisco 49ers. For all the complaints folks might have about the 2010 49ers, a look back to the beginning of the Nolan era should put things in a little perspective.
Since we nailed down the 53-man roster yesterday, I thought it would be fun to borrow from MichaelClutchtree and do a side-by-side comparison of the 49ers of today versus the 49ers of 2005. After the jump I've posted the starting lineups for both teams for offense and defense. The projected 49ers lineup might change a bit between now and next Sunday, but it's a general idea. As for the 2005 lineup, I can't find a succinct rundown of the lineup, so I used Pro Football Reference and this page to compile the starting lineup.
Offense
| Pos. | 2005 | 2010 |
| QB | Alex Smith | Alex Smith |
| #2 QB | Tim Rattay/ Ken Dorsey | David Carr |
| RB | Kevan Barlow | Frank Gore |
| RB | Frank Gore | Brian Westbrook |
| FB | Fred Beasley | Moran Norris |
| WR | Brandon Lloyd | Michael Crabtree |
| WR | Arnaz Battle | Josh Morgan |
| WR | Johnnie Morton | Ted Ginn Jr |
| TE | Billy Bajema/Terry Jones | Vernon Davis |
| LT | Adam Snyder | Joe Staley |
| LG | Justin Smiley | Mike Iupati |
| C | Jeremy Newberry | David Baas |
| RG | Eric Heitmann | Chilo Rachal |
| RT | Kwame Harris | Anthony Davis |
It's interesting to note that in 2005 Jeremy Newberry went down with a knee injury and was replaced at center by Eric Heitmann, who was reaplced at right guard by rookie David Baas. Also, the tight end position is weak in large part because Eric Johnson missed the entire season with an injury. He had 82 receptions the previous season.
Defense
| Pos. | 2005 | 2010 |
| RDE | Marques Douglas | Justin Smith |
| LDE | Bryant Young | Isaac Sopoaga |
| DT | Anthony Adams | Aubrayo Franklin |
| DT | Isaac Sopoaga | Ray McDonald/Ricky Jean Francois |
| OLB | Andre Carter | Parys Haralson |
| OLB | Julian Peterson | Manny Lawson |
| ILB | Derek Smith | Patrick Willis |
| ILB | Brandon Moore | Takeo Spikes |
| CB | Shawntae Spencer | Shawntae Spencer |
| CB | Bruce Thornton | Nate Clements |
| Nickel | Derrick Johnson | Tarell Brown |
| FS | Mike Adams | Dashon Goldson |
| SS | Tony Parrish | Michael Lewis |
| #3 S | Ben Emanuel | Reggie Smith |
The fact that the 49ers had Andre Carter and Julian Peterson bringing the heat from the outside linebacker position (and occasionally lining up at defensive end) is just filthy. The 2005 team used mostly a 4-3, although Nolan had indicated he wanted to switch over to a 3-4 defense, so they mixed it in a bit that first season. It's also interesting to see that Shawntae Spencer has come full circle. Ahmad Plummer was technically the #1 corner that season, but he went down with an injury after 3 games and was replaced by Bruce Thornton who actually had a decent enough season.
Special Teams
| Pos. | 2005 | 2010 |
| P | Andy Lee | Andy Lee |
| K | Joe Nedney | Joe Nedney |
| KR | Maurice Hicks | Ted Ginn Jr |
| PR | Otis Amey/Rasheed Marshall | Phillip Adams/Kyle Williams |
You have to love the fact that Lee and Nedney have stuck around through thick and thin. 2005 was Lee's second season, while Nedney signed with the 49ers in the offseason prior to the 2005 campaign.
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LOL
Did I (hopefully) hear a bit of sarcasm in your “voice”?
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Sep 5, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
BY- still my favorite player between the teams.
Chris Cohan- YOU'RE FIRED!
by bonbrillio on Sep 5, 2010 10:39 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
yep gotta love some BY
Too bad they couldn’t find an antiaging serum LOL. Imagine a team with BY at LDE and “Cowboy” Smith at RDE and Franklin at NT with RJF backing all of them up.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Sep 5, 2010 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
The only guy we didn't improve on
is Bryant Young, but he was getting old anyway. Also Justin Smith is a monster so we didn’t get worse on the D Line.
Otis Amey
There’s a name to remember. That defense would’ve played better if they had an offense worth supporting.
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
That's amazing...
Only one spot was better on the 2005 team – BY!!!!
And I think Julian Peterson vs Manny Lawson has to go to Julian. But that might be a good debate!
Is a good debate
Is pre-2005 Julian Peterson better than post-2005 Julian Peterson? He’s still a good player but I remember him being a lot better in 2002.
Haha
You know, the Nolan era gets a lot of shit, but I was very excited when we hired Mike Nolan. I also don’t think it was a mistake, because he is a huge reason this team is where it’s at right now. He may not have managed the players well, but he certainly knows football and built a very solid foundation.
It would have been interesting to see what happened in 2007 had we retained Norv Turner. It’s possible instead of the huge catastrophe and disappoint that year became, we very well could have been that sleeper playoff team people predicted (and hey, maybe Smith doesn’t get hurt and makes a big leap from 2006 with Norv at the helm of the offense). But what about all those injuries, especially on offense? I blame Hostler. He was a train wreck of a coordinator, and I don’t care about reason. Dude simply had bad mojo! lol
Btw Fooch, don’t you think it would be a bit more prudent to compare opening day rosters between 05 and 10? Trying to generalize the “starters” between the two years doesn’t really work yet because we don’t know what will happen in 2010. It would stand the test of time better to compare opening day rosters (so that would mean Rattay starts at QB for 05, etc.).
Speaking of the ‘05 team, I really liked that team, lol. I couldn’t watch in ’04. I had a lot of resentment, for one. I thought the Mariucci firing was atrocious… and I thought the hiring of Erickson was even worse than atrocious. I had no words for it. I just knew it would be a complete failure. But ’05 gave me the first sense of hope for the future I had had in a few years, and I really enjoyed following that team.
Touchdown Forty Niners!
I felt the same way
Nolan got good talent and he obviously knows defense. Really if we had Nolan as a GM of sorts and Singeltary as the coach good things could happen. Instead of comparing players we should have compared coaches.
I had fire for 05 but I have never been this excited for the season
You are absolutely correct.............
Mucc got screwed. he was a great coach, it wasn’t his fault the FO was way above the cap and he had to make the best of it.
Mucc????????
After all was said and done, a lot more got said than done.
Lol, come on now...
It’s Mooch, not Mucc. “Mucc” looks like it’s pronounced “muck” or “mook.”
Touchdown Forty Niners!
As I asked earlier: "Mucc????????"
Nobody, and I repeat nobody (other than you) has EVER referred to Coach Mariucci that way. hellllllllllll(f-site decorum-ing)ooooooooo !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Eff, thanks for supplying “It” with a well-needed 49ers history lesson…
After all was said and done, a lot more got said than done.
My pleasure, Mucc.
(lol)
Hey, I had to try it on. I don’t think I like how it fits…
Touchdown Forty Niners!
I don't like it
like you said earlier it sounds too much like “muck” as in “Let’s go muck out the stables”.
Logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority
really?
I’ve been on vacation and just saw this so that’s why I hadn’t made any reply. You don’t need to be so abrasive with other users.
by David Fucillo on Sep 6, 2010 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
I guess u know of another coach..................
That had a name close to Mucc.
Go ahead and tell me who that was.
I can see your mentally challenged so I'll dumb it dow for you
I want you to name another 49’er coach that had any part of his name with the letters MUCC.
When you find one, let me know.
The reality is you won’t find another.
Everyone here knows I'm not the one that's mentally challenged.
This is a matter of pronunciation. Mariucci’s nickname is pronounced, “Mooch.” Therefor, in type it is spelled as such. Nobody is going to play your stupid game of looking for another coach with the letters “Mucc” in their name. That is entirely beside the point: It’s not all of our faults you don’t understand nicknames.
By the way, don’t call me (or anyone, for that matter) mentally challenged. Not only are you making yourself look like an idiot, but you make yourself look like an ass when you pointlessly name call.
Touchdown Forty Niners!
What is shows..........
Is that your ignorant, drunk, or have nothing better to do than bust balls.
There is no “game” being played. You know damn well, I couldn’t POSSIBLY talking about anyone else, which is why you couldn’t come up with another name. If you could’ve you wouldve had one.
By the way, I’ll call piece of shit let you whatever I feel, if you don’t like it don’t look at it.
You want to bust balls? Then put on your big boy pants son and don’t cry like a bitch when it comes back the other way.
"It", since you're into throwing insults around...
You posted: “I can see your mentally challenged so I’ll dumb it dow for you.”
That should correctly read “I can see you’re mentally challenged so I’ll dumb it down for you.” That sentence has only two multisyllabic words, yet contained two errors, one most likely a typographical error, the other an error of ignorance. Also, “49er” does not need an apostrophe between the “9” and the “e”, as nothing has been omitted from there. And you previously used “ur” and “u” as if they are words… seems to me like you already dumbed things down pretty well, without the intent to do so…
You also mentioned reality. The reality is, you screwed up but are far too fragile emotionally to own up to it. Grow a pair, admit to your faux pas, and let’s all move on and discuss opening day of the 2010 NFL season, one week from today…
After all was said and done, a lot more got said than done.
Mucc
Does it really matter whether he types Mucc or Mooch? This whole thing was kind of a pointless discussion.
by David Fucillo on Sep 6, 2010 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Sorry, Fooch, I didn't expect for this to take on a life of its own...
I simply wrote “Mucc????”, nothing else.
Why? Because I had never, ever seen nor heard Coach Mariucci referred to in this way, his universally accepted and adopted “official” nickname being “Mooch”. I thought it was an innocent enough comment, and was intended to be just that.
I feel that Effage’s posts were also well-intentioned and innocent enough…
Hey, I just realized that “Fooch” rhymes with “Mooch”… so maybe “Fooch” should be changed to “Fucc” (sorry to breach site decorum, but I just couldn’t pass on that one!!!!!)
After all was said and done, a lot more got said than done.
I watched every game in 2004 except the only team wins the 49ers had. My first season with Sunday Ticket. Pretty much the enitre 2004 was a just a big kick to my nuts.
by Andrew Davidson on Sep 5, 2010 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
2007 team would have still stunk
Norv Turner wasn’t going to fix the major talent issues at offensive line. The unit just fell apart beginning in the offseason and continuing with key injuries during the season.
In some ways parts of the 2007 team were worse than the 2005 team. Trent Dilfer trying to complete passes to Arnaz Battle and washed up Darrell Jackson. Manny got hurt that season forcing Tully Banta-Cain (sorry, for breaking site decorum) to lead the pass rush.
The only good thing to come out of 2007 was Patrick Willis who led the league with 2,507 tackles (more than everyone else in the NFC combined) because the defense played an average of 56 minutes a game.
i'll echo that
I must admit I was fairly excited for Nolan too at the beginning, it just didn’t work out.
by ManBearPig21 on Sep 5, 2010 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions
starters
Well we have a general idea of the starters to start this season. I can’t find anything that explains the starting lineup week 1 of the 2005 season. I realize a lot of changes will go down, but this was really just for entertainment value more than anything.
by David Fucillo on Sep 6, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Look at our ST (ducks NinJames punch)
Same Punter and Kicker both da** good. And at KR and PR we have Ginn and Williams and Adams instead of Maurice Hicks and Otis Amey and Marshall.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Sep 5, 2010 11:38 AM PDT reply actions
Man, the 2005 49ers had a pretty good interior OL starting the season, with a pair of junk tackles.
How Mike Adams was ever a starter in this league confuses me.
I wish Bryant Young could play forever, imagine the same front seven, but with BY instead of Soap? BY is my favourite Niner of all-time, which may seem odd to some considering the great players of 49ers past (Michael Crabtree may one day surpass him, as long as he is a 49er for life).
Remember the five minutes of promise Brandon Moore displayed in 2006? Remember the heroics of Maurice Hicks in 2004? Remember how Frank Gore lead the team in rushing in his rookie season? Oh wait, that last guy is still with the team.
Thank goodness this isn’t 2005, because we’d be in for a long [site decorum] season.
by Andrew Davidson on Sep 5, 2010 12:12 PM PDT reply actions
Yep nice interior but I like ours a well
And would much rather have Staley at LT than Adam (turnstile) Snyder. And Iupati can be great. Heitmann is probably better at C than he was at G and he has Baas backing him up (which I’m starting to like that idea).
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Sep 5, 2010 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Can’t disagree with you there. This year’s OL is much better, I was just pointing out the 2005 team actually had a decent interior. This season is going to be so much fun to watch, especially if Iupati starts dominating like he has the potential to do. If Rachal can enter beast mode finally, imagine how lethal pulling guards will be this season? Iupati coming around to steamroll an unexpecting defender will be beautiful.
by Andrew Davidson on Sep 5, 2010 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Yep I'm hoping for both those things
as well as Davis stepping up. He did pretty good overall in the pre and really only had one misstep that I remember and it was against Dwight Freeney
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Sep 5, 2010 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Snyder was listed as a backup LG and then played LT after Jennings went down.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Smith only started 7 games, Rattay started 4, Dorsey started 3 and my favorite, Cody Picket started 2.
Barlow had 581 yds @ 3.3 avg. Gore had 608 yds @ 4.8 avg.
Jonas Jennings was the starting LT until he went down.
By led the team with 8 sacks that year.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Woo hoo! Look at that QB lineup
Smith (out after a few), Rattay (there’s a reason his name starts with rat), Ken “I went undefeated in college at one point” Dorsey and need we forget, Cody Pickett?
Yes there is about a pound of sarcasm there.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Sep 5, 2010 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Cody Pickett did whatever the coaches wanted him to do. He didn't have the time to learn the system
that and the fact he was a rodeo star and had a great name… I liked him
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Cody Picket
I still don’t think he got a fair shot. I’m not saying he was anything worth keeping, but just didn’t get a legitimate opportunity to show his game talents considering one of those two game he started was the Chicago- wind debacle game.
Chris Cohan- YOU'RE FIRED!
Defense
was not that bad. They were just on the field 90% of the time so they got worn down and beat up. B Young, Carter and Peterson, Tony Parrish…all good players.
Of course the D we have now is superior because we have better all around talent and some superstars in Willis and J Smith.
Yeah
Agree 100%. That’s why I didn’t mention those scrubs
Parrish definately a more well rounded safety than Lewis
I recall Parrish being able to run with T.E’s and cover as well as support in run coverage. M. Lewis lacks the covering aspect of being a safety.
wow
There are very few spots I’d rather have the 05 starter at, though I’d love to have Carter coming off one side…Derek Smith was a fave of mine that was perennially underrated, but obviously I’d rather have Willis..Also remembering how amazing Parrish was over a 3 year span when, correct me if I’m wrong, I think he led the NFL in interceptions for that time.
But wow, its night and day. Kudos to all of us for sticking with this team.
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