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(In)Accuracy Rankings for NFL Experts: When Knowledge Is NOT Power

Assessing his talent-starved roster, Mike Shanahan wonders how Walter Football could have predicted 10 wins for the Redskins last year. (Photo by Christian Petersen/Getty Images)

AUTHOR'S NOTE: Special thanks to Zach Rosenfield at AccuScore for providing me with their win projections for 2009, which, although publicly available when I started this analysis, were replaced by their 2010 projections by the time I finished it. Also, thanks to everyone on NN who suggested prognosticators, and thereby helped me populate the data set I used in my analysis.

In the current NFL, there are 3 things that are certain every year: (1) Mike Singletary will talk about a player "working his tail off," (2) Brett Favre will make a mockery of "retirement," and (3) NFL "experts" will make your local weatherperson look like a meteorological Nostradamus. Indeed, expert prognostication seems to be the one, sure-fire aspect of the NFL experience in which we'd all be better off emulating Jerry's advice to George: "If every instinct you've ever had is wrong, then the opposite would have to be right."

Of course, I'm not exactly reinventing the wheel here by having fun at the expense of the so-called experts. Plenty of commentary by writers and bloggers has already been devoted to this end. For instance, here's Gregg Easterbrook of ESPN with his yearly recap of NFL expert predictions gone wrong. On the statistical side of things, Brian Burke of Advanced NFL Stats has made it an annual ritual to point and laugh at Football Outsiders (FO); while Vegas Watch showed just how much of your posterior would have been handed to you in 2009 had you based your NFL futures bets solely on FO's win projections. Finally, even in the realm of fantasy football, Sara Holladay (aka the Fantasy Football Librarian) made it all the way to the New York Times' Fifth Down blog by quantifying the dart-throwing exercise that is preseason player rankings.

And it appears that Burke isn't the only one who's sworn off making win predictions. In perusing the magazine racks of my local grocers and book stores while preparing for my fantasy drafts this season, I came to the realization that predicting NFL team wins is such a fruitless endeavor, and so inviting of unnecessary ridicule, that most of the popular (and heavily promoted) NFL preview publications don't even bother providing them to readers. Instead, most have copped out by offering up much safer "order-of-finish" predictions for each division. Essentially, what these publications have been reduced to saying is, "Extra, extra! The Rams are going to finish last in the NFC West! The Chargers will win the AFC West! The Lions will come in 4th in the NFC North! This hard-hitting analysis can be yours for only $9.99!"

So, let's just say the general consensus among shrewd observers is that NFL "experts" might just manage to inaccurately predict tomorrow's sunrise if given the chance. That much we already know. But just how inaccurate are they? Which NFL experts, if any, are relatively clairvoyant, and which are whatever the polar opposite of "clairvoyant" is? How does the accuracy of NFL expert predictions fare against the accuracy of non-experts? Generally speaking, does knowledge - whether fed into a computer or stored in human memory - equal power for a team-win prognosticator?

My hope is that this post answers some of these questions, and thereby prepares you to be a more-discerning consumer of expert predictions as the dawn of the 2010 NFL season arrives this week. To that end, I examined the accuracy of 28 Jimmy-the-Greek wannabes based on their team win predictions for the 2009 NFL season, and compared accuracy rates both within and between 5 types of prognosticator groups:

  1. Stat geeks
  2. Professional pundits
  3. Handicappers
  4. Amateur pundits
  5. Metaphorical members of the wild kingdom

After the jump, a little bit more detail about my methods, and a lot more detail about my results...

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THE PROGNOSTICATORS

In terms of collecting my data, I relied on 4 sources. First, I asked for your help via this post. Second, I scoured the websites of major online sports hubs like ESPN, CBS Sports, FOX Sports, NBC Sports, Sports Illustrated, Yahoo, SB Nation, etc. Third, I googled every possible permutation of the search terms "2009, NFL, wins, win totals, standings, predictions, projections," etc., and clicked through from the 1st to the 50th page of results for each search (Aside: Why 2009 only? Just try finding a meaningful number of pre-2009 team win predictions that are available on the internet, and you'll arrive at the frustrating answer.). These first 3 sources accounted for 27 of the 28 sets of win predictions, with my personal hard copy of The Sporting News' Pro Football '09 accounting for the 28th set.

Once I had my data collected, it became pretty apparent that each set of predictions could be logically grouped into the types of prognosticators I mentioned earlier. Stat Geeks based their predictions on sophisticated statistical analyses (e.g., AccuScore). Professional Pundits were members of the mainstream NFL media or NFL bloggers who write for sites with their own domain names (e.g., Peter King, Walter Football) . Handicappers based their predictions on handicapping analyses, which involves both objective and subjective factors, and were explicitly aiming to win NFL futures bets (e.g., Vegas Watch). Amateur Pundits were bloggers who didn't have inside NFL access (e.g., Stampede Blue). Finally, taking a cue from Brian Burke's FO fun, I created a 5th prognosticator group, Metaphorical Members of the Wild Kingdom ("MMWKs" for short; resemblance to Peter King's "MMQB" column was totally unintended...seriously!), which included these 3 sets of predictions made by various anthropomorphized animals:

  1. Rover - this is my pet dog. I've trained him to tap his paw to indicate how many games he thinks a team is going to win. Problem is that I've only trained him to tap it 8 times, so he predicts 8 wins for every team.
  2. Polly - this is my pet African Grey Parrot. I trained her to repeat everything I say, and what I told her was the number of games each NFL team won in 2008. So, her predictions for 2009 were that each team would win the same number of games it won in 2008.
  3. Dim - this is that annoying beetle - whose name is an allusion to A Bug's Life - that randomly dive-bombs me every time I sit out on my balcony. His behavior in a given airspace is seemingly arbitrary, so his 2009 win prediction for each NFL team was a random number from 0 to 16.*

Theoretically, no NFL expert should be worse than any of these MMWKs because, as Burke wryly puts it, such a result would be "literally worse than having no football knowledge at all."

THE ACCURACY MEASURES

I'm not going to bore you with a statistical debate about the advantages and disadvantages of various accuracy/error measures. All you really need to know is that (a) the most basic options are mean absolute error (MAE) and root mean squared error (RMSE), and (b) I chose MAE for two reasons. First, MAE is more forgiving of really bad predictions, and, as you'll see, many of these NFL prognosticators needed all the forgiveness they could get. Their predictions were already so error-prone that I didn't need to go clubbing baby seals by using an accuracy measure that makes things look even worse to the untrained eye than they already are.

Second, and more importantly, MAE is expressed in a number that makes a lot more intuitive sense than the number spit out by RMSE. For example, if I told you that Peter King's 2009 predictions had an MAE of 1.00 - which definitely was not the case - the straightforward interpretation of "1.00" is that King's average prediction was 1 win off. This interpretation is especially convenient if, in the future, you'd like to attach a margin of error to a given expert's prediction. Say Peter King just picked the 49ers to win 9 games. Well, he's usually off by 1 win either way, so I can expect the Niners to win 8-10 games based on his prediction. In contrast, RMSE doesn't easily lend itself to these kinds of painless real-world applications. Although a seemingly elementary exercise, adjusting a prognosticator's current predictions based on his/her historical accuracy actually forms the fundamental core of much more sophisticated projection models (e.g., Nate Silver's various election projection models at fivethirtyeight.com). And, like Shaq once said, "statistical adjustments are fuuuuuuuuuundamental!"

To supplement the broader level of accuracy that's measured by MAE, I also used a couple of simple counting stats that provide more specific information about each prognosticator. First, there's hits, which was the total number of team win predictions a prognosticator nailed exactly on the number. Naturally, the difference between 32 and hits is misses, so I ignored misses to prevent redundancy. Instead, I used near misses and barn misses. A near miss was a win prediction that was off by no more than 2 wins either way. On the other end of the spectrum was a barn miss, which, as its name implies, was a prediction so inaccurate that it would have missed the broadside of a barn if one happened to be in the vicinity of the prognosticator. More precisely, barn misses were 4 or more wins off either way.

THE RESULTS

Let's cut right to the chase. Below is a table showing accuracy stats for the 31 prognosticators in my sample, who I've ranked from lowest to highest MAE (because lower error = better accuracy). Also, for your convenience, I've also attached links to all of the publicly available, online sources:

Rank

Name

Type

MAE

Hits

Near Misses

Barn Misses

1

Football Locks

Handicapper

1.75

9

17

4

2

Mike Greenberg (ESPN)

Pro Pundit

1.75

7

14

4

3

Vegas Watch - PL Est

Handicapper

1.78

9

19

1

4

Adam Schein (FOX)

Pro Pundit

1.81

5

17

3

4

WhatIf Sports

Stat Geek

1.81

5

14

4

6

AccuScore

Stat Geek

1.85

7

18

1

7

Total Pro Sports

Pro Pundit

1.88

5

16

4

7

Mike Golic (ESPN)

Pro Pundit

1.88

5

16

6

7

Nick Wright (KC 610 AM)

Pro Pundit

1.88

5

15

6

7

The Sporting News

Pro Pundit

1.88

5

12

4

11

Words of Wisdom

Amateur Pundit

1.94

6

18

7

11

Football Docs

Stat Geek

1.94

6

12

5

11

John Clayton (ESPN)

Pro Pundit

1.94

4

17

4

14

Simon on Sports

Amateur Pundit

2.00

6

15

7

14

My Sports Rumors

Amateur Pundit

2.00

2

12

4

16

Bleacher Report

Stat Geek

2.06

6

17

5

17

Walter Football

Pro Pundit

2.13

5

13

6

17

Stampede Blue (SBN)

Pro Pundit

2.13

5

13

8

17

Greg Easterbrook (ESPN)

Pro Pundit

2.13

3

13

6

17

Schmidt Computer Ratings

Stat Geek

2.13

2

14

7

17

Peter King (SI)

Pro Pundit

2.13

2

14

7

22

Matt B. (Backseat)

Pro Pundit

2.19

5

12

7

23

Vegas Watch - MLR

Handicapper

2.32

7

16

4

24

Polly

MMWK

2.44

3

12

10

25

Rover

MMWK

2.50

5

13

9

26

Like Seriously WTF?

Amateur Pundit

2.56

3

10

9

27

Football Outsiders - FOA09

Stat Geek

2.59

6

11

5

28

Football Outsiders - Pre

Stat Geek

2.69

5

12

7

28

18 to 88

Amateur Pundit

2.69

3

11

12

30

IGN Madden 10 Sim

 Stat Geek

2.78

3

10

10

31

Dim

MMWK

2.88

4

13

12

So, the race for 2009's most accurate win prognosticator ended in a tie between a handicapper, Football Locks, and an ESPN pundit, Mike Greenberg. Interestingly enough, not too far behind one Mike was the other Mike of Mike and Mike in the Morning fame. Based on 2009, then, it seems ESPN has quite the prognosticating pair manning their morning-drive microphones.

However, if I were to base these rankings on the overall picture painted by the various stats, I'd have to crown Vegas Watch's Prospective Line Estimate as the king of 2009. Although ostensibly a Stat Geek, this set of predictions was more of a way to identify specific outliers in the Vegas win-total futures and individual game lines than it was to produce team win predictions that were maximally accurate in the aggregate; hence, its categorization as a handicapper. Well, a happy coincidence of not focusing so much on the specifics of each team was ending up with the highest hits, highest near misses, fewest barn misses, and 2nd-best MAE.

The most amazing (and unexpected) thing to me about Vegas Watch's accuracy, however, was the manner in which it arrived at the win total estimates. Specifically, SportsBetting.com put out "prospective lines" for all 256 regular season games 15 days before the regular season even started. Vegas Watch took those prospective lines, assigned win probabilities to each team in each of the 256 games by utilizing some line-to-win-probability conversions that are widely known in the handicapping community, and then simply added up each team's 16 individual-game win probabilities to come up with an expected win total. For instance, here's a table showing how the procedure worked for the 2009 49ers, Vegas Watch's 5th most accurate win prediction:

Game

Opp

Prospective Line

Win Probs

1

vs. ARI

6.5

0.294

2

vs. SEA

-4

0.643

3

@ MIN

7.5

0.264

4

vs. STL

-8.5

0.748

5

vs. ATL

1

0.475

6

@ HOU

4

0.357

7

@ IND

10

0.223

8

vs. TEN

2.5

0.438

9

vs. CHI

0

0.500

10

@ GB

6

0.307

11

vs. JAC

-3.5

0.619

12

@ SEA

1

0.475

13

vs. ARI

0

0.500

14

@ PHI

11

0.206

15

vs. DET

-9.5

0.762

16

@ STL

-2.5

0.562

 

 

Estimated Ws = Sum of W Probs

7.373

 

 

Actual Ws

8.000

 

 

Absolute Error

0.627

See? So easy a caveman can do it. ® In fact, Sportsbetting's prospective lines are up right now if you have 15 minutes of free time and access to MS Excel. What's even funnier than GEICO commercial references - and in less danger of copyright infringement - is that, at the time, Vegas Watch noted that the prospective lines for 2009 seemed to have relied too heavily on 2008 win totals. It turns out the only thing "too heavy" was my emotional reaction to its accuracy. Think about it. Win total predictions based only on game odds posted between 1 and 4 months prior to the actual game were the most accurate overall among the 28 non-MMWK prediction sets I evaluated. That's just astonishing, but I'll have more on the impact of up-to-the-minute knowledge - or lack thereof - a little later.

One last thing I'll mention in this section is that, contrary to my dismissive headline and comments thus far, the fact that the Top 10 prognosticators were "experts" in NFL statistics, NFL journalism, or NFL handicapping suggests that - perhaps - they actually know what they're talking about when they make their win predictions. However, before we start falling all over each other praising the experts, we should keep 2 things in mind. First, even the best experts were still about 2 wins off per team with their predictions. A couple of unwitting slip-ups here or there could have easily put them in Polly-and-Rover territory. Second, there were 3 amateur pundits in the top half of the rankings; which suggests that being an NFL expert is not necessary for making relatively accurate win predictions.

THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM

Knowing that I'm a dyed-in-the-wool fan of FO, many of you read the last section patiently anticipating a comment about how FO's 2009 projections were worse than a metaphorical canine and a metaphorical avian. As long as we're dealing in metaphors, there's really no way to put lipstick on this metaphorical pig, so I'm going to devote this entire section to an attempted extreme makeover.

Despite FO's valiant attempts at investigating - and thereby explaining - the poor performance of their 2009 projections, it still boggles my mind that they did this poorly. Generally speaking, when you have a wealth of statistical information at your disposal, you've spent the better part of a decade refining your prediction model, and you've simulated the NFL season 10,000 times, there's basically a double-lightning-strike chance that you'd be worse at predicting team wins than a video game; a video game that predicted a 5-10-1 record for the NFC Championship game host Minnesota Vikings, I might add. Probably even more disheartening to FO was that they did about half-a-win-per-team worse than their weekly punch line, Peter King.

One of the benefits of having done the analysis I'm presenting here is that lends itself to pure apples-to-apples comparisons, which render some of the savvier statistical explanations less convincing. Here's what I mean. Back in Part 2 of my interview with Bill Barnwell, he made a persuasive argument - at least it was persuasive at the time - that football prediction is pretty difficult for various reasons; chief among them being the short, 16-game season. Well, armed with the MAEs above, we can see that, even when all of the prognosticators are dealing with the same 16-game-season problem, FO still did relatively poorly. Similarly, Bill pointed out that football predictions are relatively difficult because statisticians are forced to rely on inferior data. Well, even among Stat Geeks who rely on essentially the same inferior raw data, FO still did relatively poorly. Indeed, their competitors at WhatIfSports and AccuScore were about three-quarters-of-a-win-per-team more accurate despite utilizing superficially similar play-by-play-based regression and simulation procedures. So, again, 2009 was unequivocally bad for FO any way you slice the statistical pie.

Based on all I've learned to date, my personal view is that there can be only 2 possible explanations for FO's inaccuracy in 2009: inadequate statistical methods or bad luck. Given that, contrary to popular belief, I'm not one of the few people on Earth who are intimately familiar with the precise methods behind FO's win projections, it would be presumptuous of me to critique them from a methodological standpoint. I have my ideas (Hints: mishandling of clustered data, overreliance on ordinary least squares regression, and potential overdetermination), but I'll just have to lean towards bad luck until they give me the keys to the kingdom.

Going forward, the way I'd approach FO's win projections is to heed the words of Bill Barnwell himself. As he stated in our interview, we should make sure not to avoid "confusing two different concepts - DVOA, the play-by-play analysis metric, and (their) projection system, which is based on DVOA." In other words, just because FO's win projection system was essentially unreliable in 2009, you shouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater by unfairly jettisoning DVOA altogether. Indeed, DVOA based on past performance remains a reliable measure of play-by-play efficiency; and there's no inherent contradiction in lauding a primarily descriptive stat like DVOA on the one hand, and panning a DVOA-based prediction on the other.

IGNORANCE IS BLISS

The discussion above actually provides a nice segue into the final piece of information I'm going to present in this post. Specifically, one curious finding related to FO's 2009 win projections is that their accuracy actually got worse between their initial projections in Football Outsiders Almanac 2009 (FOA09) and their revised projections on the eve of Week 1. Indeed, if you refer back to the table, you see that FO's projections in FOA09 were off by an average of 2.59 wins, whereas the updated projections they published in September - which were based on information gleaned from training camps and preseason games - were off by an average of 2.69 wins. Conjuring up the sentiments of Brian Burke once again, not only were FO's win projections worse than those of someone (or something) having no football knowledge at all; the massive influx of football information that arrives every year from July to September - and did so in 2009 - actually made their projection models even less knowledgeable than that. So what gives?

Well, the very simple answer is that - at least in 2009 - knowledge did not equal (predictive) power. Thankfully for them, this wasn't a phenomenon specific to FO. As the chart below shows, there was no relationship whatsoever between the accuracy of a given set of win predictions and the temporal proximity of those predictions to the start of the regular season:

Knowledge_vs

For those who are statistically inclined, check out that R-squared and the slope of the regression equation! For those who aren't statistically inclined, the essentially flat trendline means there was no relationship between accuracy and information. Furthermore, the R-squared value means that knowing when a given prognosticator made his/her/its picks only gets you about 1/500th of the way towards perfectly predicting that prognosticator's accuracy.

I've highlighted a few specific data points to drive this point home. First, let me focus your attention on what the trend would look like if there actually was the expected, common-sense-driven relationship between accuracy and time-to-season. Basically, the white trendline would connect the data points for FOA09, Walter Football, Mike Greenberg and Football Locks. That is, the trendline would illustrate that predictions made closer to the season were systematically more accurate than predictions made farther out from the season. If all the data points were bunched along such a trendline, we'd end up with a large regression slope in the expected direction and a really high R-squared value; thereby allowing us to objectively conclude that knowledge actually mattered.

Surprisingly, that simply wasn't the case in 2009. For instance, check out the data point for Stampede Blue, an esteemed blog on our own SB Nation network. Despite making its predictions 129 days prior to the start of the regular season, it still managed to end up smack dab in the middle of the accuracy pack (i.e., MAE = 2.13).

Now, let's look at the extreme outliers, 18 to 88, FO's eve-of-the-season projections, and WhatIfSports. It's pretty easy for you to draw a trendline connecting each of these data points, but the kicker is that this trendline would suggest the exact opposite of what we'd expect. In other words, win projections would be systematically less accurate as the season grew near. Indeed, as the earlier table showed, WhatIfSports was in the Top 5 in accuracy despite publishing its projections 83 days before the season, whereas 18 to 88 was dead last in accuracy - even worse than all 3 of my unknowing MMWKs - despite publishing its projections the day the season began.

Taken together, the data points that I've highlighted in the chart above illustrate a quintessential feature of unrelated pairs of phenomena. Namely, you can draw any number of trendlines that you want, and they all seem to fit the data equally well (or poorly). In the current context, we can draw the flat trendline displayed in the chart, we can draw it sloping downward from FOA Pre to WhatIfSports to show that ignorance is bliss, or we can draw it sloping upward from Football Locks to FOA09 to show that knowledge is power. Unfortunately, all three lines, and therefore all 3 hypotheses (no relationship, positive relationship, negative relationship) would appear to be equally possible given the data. We might have had fun drawing, but we wouldn't have discovered anything along the way.

Of course, my overarching aim in this section was not to give you a statistics lesson (although, I enjoy that too). Rather, it was to tell you that the accuracy of expert projections in 2009 had seemingly nothing to do with differences between the amounts of preseason information that were available to various experts. And if we add this conclusion to the one earlier about expertise not being a prerequisite for accurate predictions, we've finally arrived at the general takeaway message of this post. Despite all of the kabuki, self-proclamations, and digitally enhanced viewing experiences suggesting the contrary, NFL experts are only minimally more accurate at predicting NFL wins - if at all - than is your average, NFL-informed blogger. Hey, whaddya know? We here at Niners Nation are average, NFL-informed bloggers! Does that mean we're as accurate as the experts? Well, I don't want to give anything away, but stay tuned this upcoming season to find out.

BOTTOM LINE

So, in conclusion, how do I suggest you approach the yearly NFL tradition that is "Experts A, B, C, and D on WXYZ network sit around piece of furniture E, and bestow upon the masses their win predictions for teams 1, 2, and 3"? Based on the accuracy rankings and statistics for 2009 that I presented in this post, here's how:

  1. They're called "professional handicappers" for a good reason.
  2. AccuScore was hired by CBS Sports and ESPN to do predictions for a good reason.
  3. WhatIfSports calls itself "the sports simulation destination" for a good reason.
  4. Listen to Mike and Mike in the Morning during the months of August and September.
  5. Along with peace, give FO a chance. They probably were the victims of bad luck last season, and the non-projection side of their operation remains beyond reproach. However, over on the projection side, if their 2010 predictions end up being just as inaccurate as their 2009 projections, it might be time to start thinking about a mad dash for the lifeboats.
  6. Knowledge ≠ predictive power. Ignorance is bliss. All that glitters isn't gold. Pick your favorite overused idiom to articulate that style does not necessarily mean substance; just not that annoying "lies, damned lies, and statistics" one, OK?

p.s. There are a lot of specific discussion points I couldn't fit into this post. Some of the most interesting to me include but are not limited to

  1. NFL expert, Gregg Easterbrook, making predictions when, ironically, he's the first one in line to poke fun at the predictions of NFL experts;
  2. How much you would have profited had you used Vegas Watch's Prospective Line Estimate to make your futures bets prior to the 2009 season;
  3. How Vegas Watch could be so accurate with one set of predictions and so inaccurate with another (Hint: FO's win projections were involved);
  4. The NFL teams that ruined or saved a given expert's or type of experts' accuracy in 2009;
  5. The laughable inaccuracy of expert playoff predictions
  6. Explanations for some of the methods behind the Stat Geeks' projections; and
  7. More about the methods I used in my analysis.

If you want to discuss any of this stuff, hit me up in the comments section.

*Technically, Dim's prediction for each team was a random number between 0 and 16, but constrained by the expected number of teams with a specific win total given the binomial distribution for n = 16 games and p = .50. Specifically, in a 16-game season where all teams have a 50% chance of winning any given game, the random distribution of team win totals according to the binomial distribution is as follows: 1 team is expected to win 12 games, 2 are expected to win 11 games, 4 are expected to win 10 games, 6 are expected to win 9 games, 6 are expected to win 8 games, 6 are expected to win 7 games, 4 are expected to win 6 games, 2 are expected to win 5 games, and 1 is expected to win 4 games. If I had ignored the binomial distribution, and just let Dim select 32 random numbers between 0 and 16, he would have basically had no chance of meeting my strict 256-win requirement, and a not-much-better chance of meeting my lenient 253-to-259-win requirement.

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Former NFL athletes
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I don’t know who to trust in this world of everyone wants my money. Just recently, I decided to start handicapping games on my own, and have come to realize I’m pretty darn accurate with the Vegas Lines (even on the O/U). My plan is to make money, we’ll see how my theories work in Week 1 (I’ve got a whopping $30 invested into it so far).

I’m quite impressed to see a video game simulation have a somewhat accurate forecast. I’m not shocked to see Football Locks lead the way. I will be shocked if my NFL predictions for 2010 are even in the range of high 2s.

I have a question, did anyone from your list go 12 for 12 in terms of predicting playoff teams? Or is that question irrelevant to this topic at the moment? The reason I ask is because it’s pretty darn hard to accurately predict every team’s records. So, to see a forecaster not only nail every teams projections, but also have a high playoff prediction success would be quite impressive.

by Andrew Davidson on Sep 8, 2010 3:45 PM PDT reply actions  

good question...
did anyone from your list go 12 for 12 in terms of predicting playoff teams? Or is that question irrelevant to this topic at the moment?

18 of the 28 who did team win predictions also did playoff predictions, and 14 predicted the championship game participants, super bowl participants, and super bowl champions. here are some results:

a) no one picked NO to win it all, and only walter football and the madden sim picked NO to get to the super bowl.
b) no one picked IND to get to the super bowl.
c) the best anyone did at predicting playoff teams was 9 out of 12. 5 got 9: whatifsports, accuscure, mike greenberg, adam schein, and simononsports.
d) the best anyone did at predicting division winners was 6 out of 8. only one to do it was whatifsports.
e) everyone missed CIN winning the AFC north & DAL winning the NFC east.

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Sep 8, 2010 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

very interesting results indeed. I’m surprised everyone whiffed on Dallas winning the NFC East last year. What worries me abou that, is that there’s bound to be one team heavily favoured to win a division only to see another team swoop up and take the crown (see: NFC West). Uh-oh!

by Andrew Davidson on Sep 8, 2010 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

almost all of them...

had NYG winning the east. some had PHI. interestingly enough, PHI was the expert’s poster child for “we know what we’re talking about.” 11 of the 28 got their win total (11) exactly right (3 more than the next-most-hit team), and they tied with ATL for most accurately predicted team.

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Sep 8, 2010 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

O/O

That’s tougher than spreads IMO. Good on you.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.

by SpurredOn on Sep 8, 2010 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

well this makes me feel better

about the jokepredicted records i just sent in to be published here tomorrow.

If you don't like Brandon Medders you're not a true fan.

by wjackalope on Sep 8, 2010 4:00 PM PDT reply actions  

i think...

your sentiment covers all of us who’s ineptitude at predicting things will be featured tomorrow.

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Sep 8, 2010 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I predict that most readers will skim over this article

or just stop reading as soon as they realize the excessive math speak involved if they didn’t already not care. My other prediction is that most people pat no attention to the sports forecasters since they almost all get it wrong most of the time unless it’s just too easy. For instance, I would love to hear someone say the Vikings are going to tank this year. I would laugh my @$$ off if someone said the Packers were going to go 8-8. If you said either of those statements, chances are you would be dead wrong, but it could happen. How would you know it though? Only so much info you can gleen from stats and past observation. Have fun watching the 49ers crush people this year everyone. I’ll be high fiving every one of you in spirit the whole time. I bet Florida Danny is that guy who misses the contact altogether leaving you swinging at air. Just Kidding.

by Pat Willie on Sep 8, 2010 4:11 PM PDT reply actions  

my prediction is that...

if you actually polled most sports fans, this

most people pat no attention to the sports forecasters since they almost all get it wrong

would turn out to be absolutely wrong. hell, the comment sections on this site nearly went up in flames when we presented FO’s prediction for the 49ers this season.

p.s. made sure i didn’t use any mathspeak there, so you’d actually read the reply.

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Sep 8, 2010 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I read the whole post, great stuff

and I agree, I pay attention to sports forecasters, just to guide me a bit and then I make gut calls on some of the close games and obviously choose all 49er games

by fortyniners on Sep 8, 2010 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

You leave out vital facts...

That post was the football outsider nerds saying the 49ers would finish behind the Cardinals. Of course you’ll get response. I had no idea you would be so sensitive, I was just busting your balls man.

by Pat Willie on Sep 8, 2010 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Actually...

I think it was about the “FO nerds” placing the 49ers dead last in the NFC West, with essentially the same prediction as the Rams.

by Deelron on Sep 8, 2010 10:59 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

i wasn't being sensitive...

just responding to the factual error that “no one pays attention to the sports forecasters.”

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Sep 9, 2010 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Predictions are entertainment

News is entertainment. Sports is entertainment. Politics is entertainment. Nothing these folks have to say is typically meaningful – or even interesting.

by BobE on Sep 8, 2010 4:22 PM PDT reply actions  

hey everyone...

just letting you know that, for some reason, the links to the actual 2009 predictions didn’t show up in the post. they show up in the platform we use to enter the blog posts, but there must be something getting lost in translation between the platform and the site. if you really want to see the actual predictions for any of the 26 that are publicly available, just reply here and i’ll give you the link.

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Sep 8, 2010 4:28 PM PDT reply actions  

If you figure it out, that would be great if you make the links work (or atleast for several of the top ones)

If you can’t do all at the same time then don’t worry about posting each one individually

by fortyniners on Sep 8, 2010 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Actually what I was expecting to see

Although to be fair the pundits are taking more bites at the apple. The Handicapper has probably been using advanced statistics prior to my birth and know what trends are actually relevant. Stat Geeks did well but evidence indicates that F.O. really are taking shots in the dark, having data doesn’t mean knowing how to use it (hint 2009 Rams prediction … “that team broke all our statistical trends”). It’s best we save our $15 or Bill needs to change his sales pitch.

by bignerd on Sep 8, 2010 4:45 PM PDT reply actions  

yeah...

the “nfl prediction is really hard” line is tough to believe once you actually compare FO to geeks basically relying on the same stats.

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Sep 8, 2010 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

My own

Hey, I predicted a Pittsburgh-New Orleans Super Bowl last season. Got half of it right.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.

by SpurredOn on Sep 8, 2010 4:55 PM PDT reply actions  

I had Minnesota vs Baltimore although I had the Saints as Minny’s top contender. Patriots panned out like predicted but probably missed the barn on the Colts.

by bignerd on Sep 8, 2010 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yours is an opinion I read. If you do a season long prediction, I’d be interested to know what you come up with and compare to my own.

You gotta bring ass to get ass.

by SpurredOn on Sep 8, 2010 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m still bantering on a full prediction this season. I’m sorta stuck on the AFC West and NFC East. Let me see if I can finish it tonight, I have some spare time.

by bignerd on Sep 8, 2010 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is it me...

or is Brian Burke kind of a prick?

FO aren’t perfect, and they’ve had some real stinker projections, but they generally come off as pretty personable, friendly guys (and the little interaction I’ve had with them seems to confirm that) and they put an enormous amount of work into their book every year and they sell it for a reasonable price, especially the PDF. Yet every boo-boo they make he’s on them like white on rice, and he calls their work “as superficial as espn.com”.

by Bitter Fan on Sep 8, 2010 5:55 PM PDT reply actions  

from personal experience...

i don’t find brian burke to be a prick at all. i’ll let him speak for himself about his penchant for pointing out FO’s failures.

but, in terms of my own opinion, i think maybe he’s got a general beef with the whole profit motive thing. i bet that, if he were a blogger on some finance-related site, he would do a plethora of posts related to “hey, you’re profiting off of people’s belief in the accuracy of your stock picks!” i think that if FO gave their picks away for free, or didn’t garner a massive amount of publicity (read: new FOA buyers) when their win projections came out every year, i’d imagine BB wouldn’t rag on them so much. but that’s just my opinion.

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Sep 8, 2010 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

i might add...

nate silver has been giving his political picks away at 538.com for the last 2+ years, and he just got picked up by the new york times based on the fact that he’s ridiculously accurate the vast majority of the time. which goes to show you that you don’t have to sell your predictions to make money in the prognostication business. hell, 21 out of the 23 non-amateur prognosticators i looked at for this post give their win projections away for free, even accuscore! pretty sure all 21 lead comfortable existences.

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Sep 8, 2010 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

It irks him that they charge for it...

It’s a little like all those active fund managers on Wall Street who take huge fees but fail to outperform the market.

by Bigmouth on Sep 9, 2010 8:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Voted the pundits

I don’t know certain aspects of football quite as well as these guys (not to mention a lot of you guys) so I would think they know what they’re talking about (better than me at least).

I trust my predictions to a point but I’m aware that I’m waaaaay biased.

That said, we’ve got a shot at winning every game this year.

by RedWings49 on Sep 8, 2010 7:14 PM PDT reply actions  

You are smarter than I, did anyone really read all of that and understand it all?

Nice to see that Football Outsiders finished at the bottom, since they picked the 49ers to finish 4th in the division.

by ericalancanty on Sep 8, 2010 8:45 PM PDT reply actions  

Speaking of predictions

what do you think about the niners this Sunday in Seattle? Do they come out strong? Do they when by more than, say for example, 3 or 4 points?? Thanks.

pro: SF defense is hungry and intense, pass rush and run stopping seem strong. sf has a lot of weapons on offense.

cons: SF Oline has 2 rookies, etc., sf secondary may be vulnerable, maybe Pete Carol has something up his sleeve??

by zacksf on Sep 8, 2010 9:03 PM PDT reply actions  

My own

the only difference between me and them? They get paid to voice their “expert” analysis.

by sundaysfinest on Sep 8, 2010 9:30 PM PDT reply actions  

Sports are hard to predict

Sometimes you go 13-3 one week then you go 6-10 the next week.

I feel like whenever I have time and look at 1 game specifically at matchups, injuries, trends, various projections, etc. my prediction for the game is usually better than for a game that I just kind of pick without analyzing much.

So I would think all these experts would be better than an average person since they are supposed to analyze every game.

I wonder if there are compiled weekly predictions that are averages from some of the “better” experts? I would probably trust those, but still probably make some picks differently.

Great Read!

by fortyniners on Sep 8, 2010 10:15 PM PDT reply actions  

Supurbly done analysis!!

I really appreciated the time and effort you took to break down the accuracy of many different forms of predictive NFL pundits. I read Woj’s article making fun of his 2009 predictions and I asked in the comments section if he was less likely to make 2010 predictions based on his poor performance (to be honest he was around .500). I wonder why ANY of these groups or people waste their time on predicting something that changes so much from minute to minute and expect to have even average accuracy. I love listening to Mike and Mike in the Morning and I had noticed last year that they were right a lot during the season. I think the Chunky Mike Golic was right more often than Skinny Mike Greenburg. I might be wrong however because I have never seen a breakdown of the accuracy of one against the other. I am intrigued about the other accurate predictors you have listed here and if they are free I will check them out as well to get an Idea of how they do this year too. I am not a betting man, so this statistical fascination is purely for entertainment purposes! Thank you again for this very difficult and time consuming post that you took the time to generate! I love statistics, but I love the way you pulled the curtain on some of these so called “EXPERTS”! Great Job !!

Another year, another chance to hope for the team !!

by FaStRmAn on Sep 8, 2010 10:19 PM PDT reply actions  

4. The NFL teams that ruined or saved a given expert's or type of experts' accuracy in 2009

I’d like to know more about this.

LOL at Football outsiders for being worse than animals.
Hopefully you do this next year so see if they can redeem themselves?

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on Sep 8, 2010 10:31 PM PDT reply actions  

In fairness to poor FO...

…there’s a pretty vigorous debate in the comments to Burke’s post about how to test the accuracy of FO’s predictions. Also, FO has conceded that last year was a weird one for a variety of reasons.

Nevertheless, as Danny’s darts analogy reminds us, random predictions are as good, if not better, than most expert predictions where markets are concerned. Buy passive-managed index funds, lol.

by Bigmouth on Sep 9, 2010 8:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's why I want to see how they do this year.

They said 2009 was weird. Lets see if they can at least rise above the dog and parrot in 2010.

What we've got here is a failure to communicate.

"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"

by SportsChicken on Sep 9, 2010 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL

For some reason (49ers prediction) I highly doubt it.

by mr. instigator on Sep 9, 2010 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tuna on toast...

…and Koko the monkey? There seems to be a statistically significant correlation between stat geeks and Seinfeld references, lol.

by Bigmouth on Sep 9, 2010 8:05 AM PDT reply actions  

Danny

this was an awesome article. Question about how meaningful it is given that it’s just one season. I would imagine that in order to REALLY draw any conclusions about how accurate various predictors are, we’d need to repeat this over 10+ seasons, no?

If you don't like Brandon Medders you're not a true fan.

by wjackalope on Sep 9, 2010 8:23 AM PDT reply actions  

The person

Who came up with this idea is a genius!

by mr. instigator on Sep 9, 2010 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

yeah...

the plan is to do this every year. i wanted to go back further than 2009, but it was just practically impossible to find stuff farther back. some sites overwrite their existing predictions page each year, others don’t really have “archives,” etc. this year, i’m scouring the magazine racks to include more of those, and i’ll be doing the data collection very soon; while this stuff is still prominently available. i’d imagine next year i’ll have closer to 50, and many will be the same as the current bunch.

i do realize that basing conclusions on 1 (weird) season is dangerous, so i consciously tried to use a lot of “appears to be” and “may” and other conditional phrases. but, certain things (like FO’s results) are bad for reasons other than “bad luck” or some other sampling issue.

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Sep 9, 2010 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Have you checked the online ARCHIVE website?

the one that saves ALL online websites even if the actual site overwrites its own page

I think web.archive.org or something

by fortyniners on Sep 9, 2010 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

that's correct

I’ve checked that site out to look at the view of Niners Nation over the years.

by David Fucillo on Sep 9, 2010 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ghetto Blog look

:) Just kidding, it was good, but I like it more now

by fortyniners on Sep 9, 2010 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

One last question...

…shouldn’t predictions be tested against Pythagorean wining percentage, rather than actual wins and losses.

by Bigmouth on Sep 9, 2010 9:11 AM PDT reply actions  

i definintely...

see your point in bringing this up. statistically speaking, pythW is a better measure of “true wins.” problem is that the vast majority of these prognosticators are not trying to predict pythW. both in their own media, and the people who talk about their picks, it’s discussed in the context of “we/they think team N is going to win Y games.” no one’s going to be publicizing their picks using the language of pythW. if they’re trying to predict pythW, then they should say that’s what they’re doing. but, even the stat geeks conflate the 2 concepts in their media exposures, even if their models ARE actually predicting pythW (or estW in FO’s case).

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Sep 9, 2010 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Danny

Have you calculated actual accuracy versus random chance guessing for the list of distinguished experts? It would be an interesting additional column to add. It is hard to intuit what these numbers would look like. For example, if we called 8-8 for every team in the NFL, what MAE would we have ended up with?

by seafood lover on Sep 10, 2010 9:03 PM PDT reply actions  

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