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NCAA Bowl Games Gameday Thread (Part 2)

As mentioned in the previous post, three games will be featured in each post. However, The Gator Bowl between Michigan and Mississippi State started in between both threads.

Michigan jumped out to a quick 7-0 lead in the first quarter as Denard Robinson passed to Roy Roundtree. After that Mississippi State came back with 10 unanswered points. But the Wolverines would not be denied as Robinson struck again with a 27-yard touchdown pass to  wide receiver Martavious Odoms.

The slug fest continued in the second quarter as the Bulldogs scored on a two yard run by Vick Ballard. Shortly after that, Denard Robinson was picked off by Jonathan Banks and the Bulldogs wasted no time taking it 43 yards for the touchdown making the score 24-14. And what seemed like what was going to be a back and forth game turned in to a blowout just before the half when Chris Relf threw another touchdown pass making it his second of the day putting the Bulldogs up 31-14.

The second half started off slowly as both teams came out flat. But later in the 3rd quarter Mississippi State ran it in  with 6:19 on the clock to make the game a little more out of reach for Rodriguez's Wolverines at 38-14.

The game is still in progress as I post this, but it may be safe to say that the Bulldogs are in full control...

Below, we will take a look at the last two games (The Rose Bowl and Fiesta Bowl) of the evening and the key players that will be suiting up in them.

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#5 WISCONSIN BADGERS VS. #3 TCU HORNED FROGS (4:30pm EST)

TCU march's in to tonight's Rose Bowl with a flawless record at 12-0, while the Badgers managed only to drop one game to in-conference rivals Michigan State midway through the season. Since then, the Badgers have dominated and deserve very much to be in this game. Both teams have exceptional talent on both sides of the ball. There is no question that there is a couple players that could possess Hall of Fame potential. Of course it is premature to mark any player worthy of that honor while they are still in college, but potential doesn't mean anything until a player lives up to it. But the talent is certainly there for it to materialize for some of these young athletes.

KEY PLAYERS TO WATCH FOR THE BADGERS:

Scott Tolzien - QB, John Clay - RB, James White, Lance Kendricks - TE, Nick Toon - WR, Gabe Carimi - OT, John Moffitt - OG, J.J. Watt - DE, Blake Sorenson - LB

KEY PLAYERS TO WATCH FOR THE HORNED FROGS:

Andy Dalton - QB,  Ed Wesley - RB, Jeremy Kerley - WR, Marcus Cannon - OT, Jake Kirkpatrick - C, Tank Carder - LB, Wayne Daniels - LB, Jason Teague - CB, Tejay Johnson - S

 

 

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CONNECTICUT VS #7 OKLAHOMA (8:30pm EST)

Oklahoma held the #1 spot in the nation for just a week until they were upset in Missouri by the #11 ranked Tigers in week 7. Connecticut was a bit streaky in the first half of the season but they managed to put together a 5 game win streak at the end of the year. UConn may be out-matched in this game though as OU ranks 4th in the nation in passing yards. Connecticut has perhaps one of the best running backs in the nation in Jordan Todman, but Oklahoma's defense will no doubt be keying on Todman today. UConn ranks 113th in the nation in pass yards, so they are very one-dimensional. This game could get out of control very quickly if the Huskies defensive back field can't contain Landry Jones, DeMarco Murray, Ryan Browles, and the freshman phenom wide receiver Kenny Stills.

KEY PLAYERS TO WATCH FOR THE HUSKIES:

Zach Frazer - QB, Jordan Todman - RB, Jesse Jopesph - DE, Jerome Junior - S, Blidi Wreh-Wilson - CB

KEY PLAYERS TO WATCH FOR THE SOONERS:

Landry Jones - QB, DeMarco Murray - RB, Ryan Broyles - WR, Kenny Stills - WR, Jeremy Beal - DE, Travis Lewis - LB, Quinton Carter - DB, Jamell Fleming - CB

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for when one of the announcers says about Nick Toon “he was drawn that way”

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 1, 2011 1:05 PM PST reply actions  

Rose Bowl

should be a good game… I don’t really care for either team that much, but I am finally excited that we may be able to see a good game that is not a blowout.

Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi

by Drew Kerr on Jan 1, 2011 2:09 PM PST reply actions  

Go Mountain West

TCU is leaving the conference so I suppose I should root against them, but I love seeing the Big Ten lose.

by David Fucillo on Jan 1, 2011 2:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Ties to Mountain West?

or just rooting for the underdog?

Big Ten got spanked hard today….

by brundylop on Jan 1, 2011 2:16 PM PST up reply actions  

MWC

I’m originally from Las Vegas. UNLV is my team. It’s been a while since they were any good in football but I still root for the Mountain West.

by David Fucillo on Jan 1, 2011 2:17 PM PST up reply actions  

football

Randall Cunningham played there in the 80s. The last time they were any good was 2000 when they won the Las Vegas Bowl over Arkansas. I was convinced that year’s QB Jason Thomas was gonna be great.

by David Fucillo on Jan 1, 2011 2:22 PM PST up reply actions  

What are your thoughts on Andy Dalton and Ryan Lindley?

Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi

by Drew Kerr on Jan 1, 2011 2:21 PM PST up reply actions  

honestly...

I haven’t seen enough to say much. I watch college football but not nearly as much as most people. It’s hard when my teams are struggling. UNLV hasn’t been good in years and Cal has struggled lately. Honestly, when I’ve watched college football the last few years it’s less about looking at specific players and more about enjoying the games in general. Doesn’t help with my draft preparation of course.

by David Fucillo on Jan 1, 2011 2:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Fantasy draft or NFL draft?

If it’s the latter, well nobody gets it right anyway.

by brundylop on Jan 1, 2011 2:25 PM PST up reply actions  

NFL draft

I mean more for the next four months of coverage here at NN. Thankfully we’ve got Drew to help us with his fantastic coverage. Last year I learned as much from him as anyone else.

by David Fucillo on Jan 1, 2011 2:27 PM PST up reply actions  

btw: For those interested in Cal’s 2011 prospects, I think Zach Maynard officially transferred from Buffalo to play QB. He’s Keenan Allen’s cousin, and Allen is already the most exciting player on that offense… so hopefully they have some crazy chemistry.

Any insight on Maynard, Drew?

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by howtheyscored on Jan 1, 2011 2:28 PM PST up reply actions  

He's explosive and dangerous. Guy can score on any given snap through the air or ground.

He just needs to step up his aerial game. He misses targets a little too much right now. He can get better, but he has a higher ceiling than Riley…. that’s for sure. Something for Cal fans to look forawrd to I think though.

I need to see more like anyone else obviously.

Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi

by Drew Kerr on Jan 1, 2011 2:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Awesome. And the biggest point in his favor, of course, is not being Brock Mansion.

I’ll just start getting excited for 2011 then.

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by howtheyscored on Jan 1, 2011 3:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Will Chandler - DB for UNLV.... he could be a nice late round pick up

Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi

by Drew Kerr on Jan 1, 2011 2:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Dunno if he will declare though since he is only a junior

Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi

by Drew Kerr on Jan 1, 2011 2:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Me too

I am pulling for the Horned Frogs… Andy Dalton could be an interesting mid-round option at the QB position.

Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi

by Drew Kerr on Jan 1, 2011 2:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I just want a college playoffs

It’s obviously a long ways off, but a TCU win would just add to the motivation.

by brundylop on Jan 1, 2011 2:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I do too

I think it would be great.. and really exciting. I think Fooch agrees too.

Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi

by Drew Kerr on Jan 1, 2011 2:18 PM PST up reply actions  

very much so...

An 8-team playoff, or really any kind of playoff would be awesome. Imagine Auburn, Oregon, TCU and Stanford playing a four-team playoff?

by David Fucillo on Jan 1, 2011 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

bowl system

I hate the argument about the bowl system suffering. It’s a horrible argument. They act like the bowl system will disappear, or the R+L Carriers New Orleans Bowl would suddenly lose its importance.

by David Fucillo on Jan 1, 2011 2:30 PM PST up reply actions  

NO! NOT THE CARRIERS BOWL!

I just never knew that most schools lost money on bowl games…. yet that the coaches winning bonus keeps it in place.

by brundylop on Jan 1, 2011 2:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Playoff games can be used as bowl games and the championship game could be a new bowl…..Fixed!!!!

Jed York, I am in your corner.......Parcells please. Gruden and Billick, I hope you're not considered.....

by rlott#42 on Jan 1, 2011 7:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Cuban had a great point

and basically it was…show them the money

by hudd07 on Jan 1, 2011 7:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Except the ironic thing is

schools make more money by not going to Bowl Games.

The money aspect isn’t about the schools but about the companies sponsoring the bowls.

by smileyman on Jan 1, 2011 8:37 PM PST up reply actions  

+1

Its too bad the top 3 teams are leaving. If not for the MTN tv deal it wouldnt of fallen apart

by EcERyda69 on Jan 1, 2011 3:25 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Based on the other teams

representing the MidWest (Michigan, Mich State) Wisconsin has to show a bit to even make that area look halfway decent.

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 1, 2011 2:14 PM PST reply actions  

lol…. Niners have been doing that all season long.

Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi

by Drew Kerr on Jan 1, 2011 2:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Yikes, Really?

I thought the NFL changed the rules so the lowest score wins!

Oh my…

by brundylop on Jan 1, 2011 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

We would be playoff bound

Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi

by Drew Kerr on Jan 1, 2011 8:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah... the state of Michigan blew it today, that's for sure

Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi

by Drew Kerr on Jan 1, 2011 2:17 PM PST up reply actions  

The Florida game was pretty good

it started off pretty bad, but it really got entertaining as it went on… much closer than the score indicated.

by brundylop on Jan 1, 2011 2:15 PM PST reply actions  

Yep

It was nice little back-and-forth game

Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi

by Drew Kerr on Jan 1, 2011 2:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Normally root against Florida

but it was nice for Meyer to go out that way… too bad he couldn’t of given us a good QB

by brundylop on Jan 1, 2011 2:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Haha

Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi

by Drew Kerr on Jan 1, 2011 2:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Can I get a rundown of the players in this game who might see the early or mid rounds of this years draft? I’d like to know who to keep my eye on.

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by howtheyscored on Jan 1, 2011 2:22 PM PST reply actions  

TCU

Andy Dalton – QB
Tejay Johnson – S
Wayne Daniels – OLB
Jason Teague – CB

WISONSIN
Scott Tolzien – QB (Late rounder)
John Moffitt – OG
Jay Valai – S ( Late rounder)

J.J. Watt will go too high for us considering our needs… but he is Justin Smith 2.0

Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi

by Drew Kerr on Jan 1, 2011 2:28 PM PST up reply actions  

* WISCONSIN

Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi

by Drew Kerr on Jan 1, 2011 2:28 PM PST up reply actions  

It's too bad that he stepped it up midway through the season.

He woulda been a steal in the 3rd, but he is now looking like he is going to be a 1st/ 2nd rounder no doubt. Our immediate needs are QB, CB

Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi

by Drew Kerr on Jan 1, 2011 2:33 PM PST up reply actions  

definitely....

the Niners can definitely get a decent prospect with their 2n round pick, DB all the way with the 1st

by sanfranfanmdk on Jan 1, 2011 2:37 PM PST up reply actions  

You bet

Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi

by Drew Kerr on Jan 1, 2011 2:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Can somebody explain to me why Connecticut is playing Oklahoma?

Drew, aren’t you a Sooners guy?

Seems like a pretty one-sided matchup to me.

by brundylop on Jan 1, 2011 2:23 PM PST reply actions  

Yeah.... Idk... Big East gets the bid and UConn finished with the 2nd best record.

But you just never know… Boise State wasn’t supposed to beat OU a few years ago. It’s just that UConn is so one-dimensional so… you know, it should be too hard to slow down Todman. They don’t really have a passing game, or strong D.

Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi

by Drew Kerr on Jan 1, 2011 2:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Man that was a great game

that was the statue-of-liberty play, no?

by brundylop on Jan 1, 2011 2:33 PM PST up reply actions  

ending...

The statute of liberty play and the 4th and 2 wildcat TD pass were both great, but the hook and lateral was my favorite play in that game.

by David Fucillo on Jan 1, 2011 2:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks a lot for making me relive that horrific moment.

I hate Ian Johnson…lol

Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi

by Drew Kerr on Jan 1, 2011 2:37 PM PST up reply actions  

haha

Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi

by Drew Kerr on Jan 1, 2011 2:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Alright, TCU!

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by howtheyscored on Jan 1, 2011 2:29 PM PST reply actions  

TCU has a 4-2-5 defense?

So I’m guessing that means their defense is quick but undersized with 5 Db’s on the field right? So would that mean they would be easier to run on because they’re small? How does that work?

Niners, Lakers and the Warriors... when Lakers have the night off.

by afrikabamboodle on Jan 1, 2011 2:36 PM PST reply actions  

That is what the Niners should run... with Taylor Mays playing center field.

4 DL
2 LB
2 CB
3 S

Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi

by Drew Kerr on Jan 1, 2011 2:40 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I hope that's an optimistic man

and not a “oh god” man..
That’s a touchdown

by brundylop on Jan 1, 2011 2:46 PM PST up reply actions  

optimistic

While I prefer pitchers duels in baseball, I love high octane offense in football. A friend of mine went to Kentucky from 1997-2001 during the Hal Mumme era. They called it basketball on a football field.

by David Fucillo on Jan 1, 2011 2:50 PM PST up reply actions  

haha, for some reason I can't stand basketball

i dunno, something about how quickly the game changes really devalues the game for me.. like you could be down 20 all game and a nice 5 minute run can cut it to a 5 point game just like that.

But high scoring football feels so much different.

by brundylop on Jan 1, 2011 2:55 PM PST up reply actions  

NCAA hoops tournament = most exciting thing in sports hands down

"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."

by Blank x2 on Jan 1, 2011 3:15 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Oh, by basketball I meant NBA

for me, college basketball is an absolute dread (until you get to March Madness, obviously.)

by brundylop on Jan 1, 2011 3:16 PM PST up reply actions  

What are your guys's take on Herb and Musberger?

I really like them as game callers… much more than most NFL broadcast teams.

Not sure if they’d translate over well though.

by brundylop on Jan 1, 2011 2:47 PM PST reply actions  

I actually think they would be 1000 x's better than any of the FOX broadcast teams

Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi

by Drew Kerr on Jan 1, 2011 2:49 PM PST up reply actions  

translate...

Why don’t you think they’d translate? There are differences between college football and the NFL, but I think they’re smart enough that they could deal with that. And they have a good rapport anyways.

by David Fucillo on Jan 1, 2011 2:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe because they've covered college for so long

but somehow I feel that they’d be too “infantile” covering the NFL… patronizing might be the better word. Especially Musberger… he seems to give off the “wise grandpa leading the young man” vibe.

I’m almost certainly over-thinking this, and I’m sure plenty of NFL announcers talk down.
But you’re right. I’m sure they could adjust. At the same time, tthey’re obviously happy where they are now.

by brundylop on Jan 1, 2011 2:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Awesome Disneyland Quote

Although having lived in Southern California for x amount of years, I really don’t see the appeal of Disneyland.

Maybe it’s different for out-of-staters

by brundylop on Jan 1, 2011 2:48 PM PST reply actions  

Now that Michigan got absolutely spanked in the Bowl Game

how long do you guys give Harbaugh before he is employed somewhere else?

by brundylop on Jan 1, 2011 2:50 PM PST reply actions  

By rule?

or by decency standards?

by brundylop on Jan 1, 2011 2:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Decency standards

Harbaugh isn’t going to announce he’s leaving for Michigan, or anywhere, before the Orange Bowl. I’d bet everything I have that he wouldn’t do that. Stuff might leak (and he might even leak it himself), but nothing official would happen before the end of that game.

by David Fucillo on Jan 1, 2011 3:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Hopefully he posts about Rice-a-Roni or MUNI or something on Twitter

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by mikev on Jan 1, 2011 3:03 PM PST up reply actions  

OOPs

I totally forgot that Stanford’s playing in the Orange Bowl.

Boy, is that egg on my face!!!

by brundylop on Jan 1, 2011 3:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I think R-Rod is gone... but I don't necessarily think that Harbaugh will go there.

He could easily stay at Stanford. Particularly if Luck stays.

Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi

by Drew Kerr on Jan 1, 2011 2:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Everybody seems so convinced that Harbaugh is outta Stanford

But I guess it’s all speculation at that point….

What’s your top 3 or 5 coaches on the wishlist?

by brundylop on Jan 1, 2011 2:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Ones that are not available... I have already caught heat for it too, but...

Jimmy Johnson
Sam Wyche
Mike Holmgren

Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi

by Drew Kerr on Jan 1, 2011 2:59 PM PST up reply actions  

a fan of old blood, I see.

Can’t say I agree about Jimmy Johnson (has he expressed a wish to return to coaching?)

But the other 2 seem like solid choices.

by brundylop on Jan 1, 2011 3:02 PM PST up reply actions  

No

that’s why I said ones that aren’t available

Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi

by Drew Kerr on Jan 1, 2011 3:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I see

would you prefer Billick or Morhinweg, at this point?

by brundylop on Jan 1, 2011 3:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Billick

he may still resent the 49ers for cutting him in ’77, lol

Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi

by Drew Kerr on Jan 1, 2011 3:21 PM PST up reply actions  

yep

Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi

by Drew Kerr on Jan 1, 2011 3:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Wyche?

The fact that his coaching experience the last five years has been volunteering at a high school doesn’t concern you?

by David Fucillo on Jan 1, 2011 3:04 PM PST up reply actions  

No

His Bill Walsh connection intrigues me.

Someone mentioned the other day about how all the WCO playbooks are just sitting in the vault (the Holy Grail or something like that is how it was reffered too, haha). Well Wyche helped to create some of that stuff… He would be the perfect guy to bring in and resurrect the WCO in SF… IMO anyway.

Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi

by Drew Kerr on Jan 1, 2011 3:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Would not mind a 3-yr contract.

Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi

by Drew Kerr on Jan 1, 2011 3:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Plus he is great at scouting out talent...

when he was at Tampa, he was responsible for bringing in Derrick Brooks, Warren Sapp, and John Lynch

Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi

by Drew Kerr on Jan 1, 2011 3:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Doesn't Harbaugh run a WCO style offense at Stanford

with a group of coordinators and coaches with NFL experience?

He’s also doing it right now and not years and years ago.

Seems like people care more about someone who has 6 degrees of separation to the glory years.

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by mikev on Jan 1, 2011 3:15 PM PST up reply actions  

And I am not against getting Harbaugh either

I just am not so sure he is going to leave Stanford.

Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi

by Drew Kerr on Jan 1, 2011 3:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I didn't mean you specifically

Just in general.

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by mikev on Jan 1, 2011 3:32 PM PST up reply actions  

i like Wyche and Johnson.

Jed York, I am in your corner.......Parcells please. Gruden and Billick, I hope you're not considered.....

by rlott#42 on Jan 1, 2011 7:24 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm on the Harbaugh wagon

I like Harbaugh more than say Gruden simply because he’s new and sometimes you just need some new life vs. getting an old coach that has had some success but not a ton. So my list would be..
Harbaugh
Gruden
Marty M I think no one would have succeeded in Detroit back then and there’s no question about what he can do with a QB
Phil Jackson aka the Zen Master

Niners, Lakers and the Warriors... when Lakers have the night off.

by afrikabamboodle on Jan 1, 2011 3:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Lol Phil Jackson

He is a proven winner, that’s for sure.

I’d be happy with Gruden, but how awful Tampa Bay became as he left is disturbing… and Dungy probably did all the team building for the Super Bowl.

by brundylop on Jan 1, 2011 3:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Everyone talks about how Dungy built the Bucs

but forget that Gruden built the Raiders that were also in the Super Bowl. Plus Dungy couldn’t get that team over the hump, and Gruden did.

by hudd07 on Jan 1, 2011 3:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Dungy drafted those players, vs indulging in free agency.

Jed York, I am in your corner.......Parcells please. Gruden and Billick, I hope you're not considered.....

by rlott#42 on Jan 1, 2011 7:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Couldn't get them over the hump

But again, everyone says Gruden took Dungy’s team to SB, and frankly, it’s more than Dungy could do.

by hudd07 on Jan 1, 2011 7:51 PM PST up reply actions  

The reason Tampa became so bad after he left, though, has a lot to do with the changing philosophy that came with him leaving. It was a youth movement. Gruden didn’t covet youth much. So when they got rid of Gruden and shed the age, they shed the talent he had collected.

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by howtheyscored on Jan 1, 2011 5:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I should probably have fact checked that before I said it, but it sounds right.

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by howtheyscored on Jan 1, 2011 5:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Well he was 9-7 in 2008 with the Bucs

2008 starters

Offensive Starters
QB Jeff Garcia
QB Brian Griese
RB Earnest Graham
RB Warrick Dunn
WR Antonio Bryant
WR Michael Clayton
TE John Gilmore
TE Alex Smith
LT Donald Penn
LG Arron Sears
C Jeff Faine 27
RG Davin Joseph
RG Jeremy Zuttah
RT Jeremy Trueblood

Defensive Starters
LDE Kevin Carter 35 13 16 4.0 sacks, 0 interceptions, 0 fumbles recovered St. Louis Rams / 1st / 6th pick / 1995
LDT Chris Hovan 30 8 15 1.0 sacks, 0 interceptions, 0 fumbles recovered Minnesota Vikings / 1st / 25th pick / 2000
RDT Jovan Haye 26 3 14 Carolina Panthers / 6th / 189th pick / 2005
RDE Gaines Adams 25 1 16 6.5 sacks, 2 interceptions, 0 fumbles recovered Tampa Bay Buccaneers / 1st / 4th pick / 2007
LLB Cato June 29 5 14 0.0 sacks, 1 interception, 0 fumbles recovered Indianapolis Colts / 6th / 198th pick / 2003
MLB Barrett Ruud 25 3 16 3.0 sacks, 2 interceptions, 1 fumble recovered Tampa Bay Buccaneers / 2nd / 36th pick / 2005
RLB Derrick Brooks* 35 13 16 0.0 sacks, 1 interception, 0 fumbles recovered Tampa Bay Buccaneers / 1st / 28th pick / 1995
LCB Phillip Buchanon 28 6 16 0.0 sacks, 2 interceptions, 1 fumble recovered Oakland Raiders / 1st / 17th pick / 2002
RCB Ronde Barber * 33 11 16 2.0 sacks, 4 interceptions, 1 fumble recovered Tampa Bay Buccaneers / 3rd / 66th pick / 1997
SS Jermaine Phillips 29 6 11 0.0 sacks, 3 interceptions, 1 fumble recovered Tampa Bay Buccaneers / 5th / 157th pick / 2002
SS Sabby Piscitelli 25 1 5 0.0 sacks, 2 interceptions, 0 fumbles recovered Tampa Bay Buccaneers / 2nd / 64th pick / 2007
FS Tanard Jackson 23 1 16 1.0 sacks, 1 interception, 1 fumble recovered

2009
Offensive Starters
QB Josh Freeman
RB Cadillac Williams
RB Earnest Graham
WR Antonio Bryant
WR Michael Clayton
WR Maurice Stovall
TE Jerramy Stevens
TE Kellen Winslow Jr.
LT Donald Penn
LT Jeremy Zuttah
C Jeff Faine
RG Davin Joseph
RT Jeremy Trueblood

Defensive Starters
LDE Jimmy Wilkerson 28 6 15 6.0 sacks, 0 interceptions, 0 fumbles recovered Kansas City Chiefs / 6th / 189th pick / 2003
LDT Ryan Sims 29 7 16 1.0 sacks, 0 interceptions, 1 fumble recovered Kansas City Chiefs / 1st / 6th pick / 2002
RDT Chris Hovan 31 9 16 0.5 sacks, 0 interceptions, 0 fumbles recovered Minnesota Vikings / 1st / 25th pick / 2000
RDE Stylez G. White 30 2 8 6.5 sacks, 0 interceptions, 0 fumbles recovered Houston Texans / 7th / 229th pick / 2002
LLB Quincy Black 25 2 13 1.5 sacks, 1 interception, 0 fumbles recovered Tampa Bay Buccaneers / 3rd / 68th pick / 2007
MLB Barrett Ruud 26 4 16 0.0 sacks, 1 interception, 0 fumbles recovered Tampa Bay Buccaneers / 2nd / 36th pick / 2005
RLB Geno Hayes 22 1 13 3.0 sacks, 2 interceptions, 1 fumble recovered Tampa Bay Buccaneers / 6th / 175th pick / 2008
LCB Aqib Talib 23 1 15 0.0 sacks, 5 interceptions, 1 fumble recovered Tampa Bay Buccaneers / 1st / 20th pick / 2008
RCB Ronde Barber 34 12 16 2.0 sacks, 0 interceptions, 1 fumble recovered Tampa Bay Buccaneers / 3rd / 66th pick / 1997
SS Sabby Piscitelli 26 2 15 0.0 sacks, 2 interceptions, 1 fumble recovered Tampa Bay Buccaneers / 2nd / 64th pick / 2007
FS Tanard Jackson 24 2 12 0.0 sacks, 5 interceptions, 1 fumble recovered

Almost complete turnover on defense between 2008 and 2009 and of course turnover from two solid veterans at QB with a rookie QB.

by smileyman on Jan 1, 2011 5:32 PM PST up reply actions  

looks like his regime sucked at drafting.

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by rlott#42 on Jan 1, 2011 7:30 PM PST up reply actions  

The Harbaughs

Coaching embedded in to their gene’s.

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 1, 2011 3:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't know about Harbaugh leaving Stanford

He doesn’t seem like a guy that would jump ship just because there’s a deal out there that looks better. I mean if he’s going to be leaving Stanford he might as well move up for the NFL vs. moving laterally for another school. With the culture that he brought into Stanford obviously it shows that he’s connected on a very personal level with the team and school so I just don’t see him leaving all that behind so easily.

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by afrikabamboodle on Jan 1, 2011 3:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah

I guess the media is overhyping the chances he leaves Stanford… it sure got me suckered into some page hits lol.

by brundylop on Jan 1, 2011 3:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I definitely agree…. I dont see him as a sleezball (Lane Kiffin) type of guy either. I think he will stay. Although it’s certainly possible that he had bigger aspirations to start with.

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 1, 2011 3:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Kiffin's a sleezebag?

Can’t say I know much about him, other than his OC stint with Pete Carrol and that absolute soap opera between him and Al Davis…

And all of USC’s recent violations have to be Pete Carrol’s doing, right?

by brundylop on Jan 1, 2011 3:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah

Kiffin fits right in to all that though… he was scouting Eric Berry’s brother who is in Jr. High… Not that that makes him a sleezeball, but it just goes to show that there is no boundaries for him. There is just something off about the guy that makes me cringe.

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 1, 2011 3:13 PM PST up reply actions  

That's true...

was he the one who recruited a 10 year old QB or something?

by brundylop on Jan 1, 2011 3:14 PM PST up reply actions  

There's Al Davis' first round pick...

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by mikev on Jan 1, 2011 3:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Fake Punts

god this game is going to be great.

by brundylop on Jan 1, 2011 3:11 PM PST reply actions  

Al Toon

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 1, 2011 3:15 PM PST up reply actions  

's son

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 1, 2011 3:15 PM PST up reply actions  

This is the longest halftime ever.

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 1, 2011 3:38 PM PST reply actions  

Did you see the halftime show that Hawaii (I think) did when the band made a kicker and they kicked a FG?

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by mikev on Jan 1, 2011 3:48 PM PST up reply actions  

No… I try to avoid halftime shows at all cost

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 1, 2011 3:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Clay is a monster

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 1, 2011 4:50 PM PST reply actions  

agreed

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 1, 2011 6:02 PM PST up reply actions  

And why is that?

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 1, 2011 6:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Too easy to pun on their names is my guess.

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by howtheyscored on Jan 1, 2011 6:06 PM PST up reply actions  

But we wouldn’t stoop to making fun of them with puns, would we?

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by howtheyscored on Jan 1, 2011 6:08 PM PST up reply actions  

haha

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 1, 2011 6:11 PM PST up reply actions  

I think they should have a segment where they mic Bob Stoops.

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by howtheyscored on Jan 1, 2011 6:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I’d like a corresponding segment where they bob Mike Stoops, but that might be less practical.

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by howtheyscored on Jan 1, 2011 6:15 PM PST up reply actions  

i hate their coaching styles

they go apoleptic at the slightest thing and I dont’ think that’s how you should treat college players

by smileyman on Jan 1, 2011 6:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Well babying them certainly won't get you anywhere.

Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi

by Drew Kerr on Jan 1, 2011 8:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Plus

I think you are misreading his approach. Bob Stoops is loved by his players as well as the community. I have been a Sooners fan for a very long time. You wanna see a coach mistreating players, take a look at how Switzer treated them during his tenure there.

Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi

by Drew Kerr on Jan 1, 2011 8:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Well

in watching the game it seems Bob Stoops has mellowed somewhat over the years, so I retract my comments regarding him.

I get that you don’t baby them, but that doesn’t mean you need to go apopleptic on them either.

by smileyman on Jan 1, 2011 8:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Ohio State is left.

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 1, 2011 8:33 PM PST up reply actions  

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