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Cam Newton, The Performance, The Controversy, The Answer?

Last night some of you all may have seen Auburn quarterback Cameron Newton play in the BCS National Championship game. The game itself wasn't all too exciting until late in to the 4th quarter. In the beginning of the game, much of the focus was on the Heisman Trophy winning quarterback. Steadily throughout, the focus shifted to freshman running back Michael Dyer who ran for 143 yards and was literally less than a yard short from scoring the game-winning touchdown run in the final seconds.

In retrospect, Newton had a pretty decent game hitting most of his targets. There were a few very bad passes though, and his accuracy may be in question as it wound up below the 60% mark for the game. There was a pass in particular that really stood out to me as he missed a wide open target in the endzone when he short hopped it as the 2nd quarter closed out. Maybe it was a case of over-thinking it, or maybe not. Whatever the case, it definitely sent off red flags for some I am sure. He had 265 yards through the air, but much of that came on yards after the catch by the guys on the other end of those passes. He did manage to get the ball in the endzone for six on two occasions through the air. He also threw an interception and got lucky earlier in the game when Oregon's freshman cornerback, Cliff Harris would have had his first of two picks in the game but was ruled out by the officials.

There is no question that Newton is an incredible athlete. But there's much to fulfill if he is going to be an elite quarterback at the next level. We have seen Heisman Trophy winners at the next level and typically, for whatever reason, a majority of them never make it in to that "elite" category.

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With that, the next question is; will Cam Newton be selected in the 1st round still? If so, where will he go? Who will he go to? Will he be an immediate starter?

All of those questions, lead me to another question and possibly more important to those who consider themselves 49ers Faithful; with Jim Harbaugh now officially the San Francisco 49ers new head coach, would Cam Newton be a guy that would be considered in the west-coast-offense? My thoughts on this lean towards the answer no. After being hammered after the Denver Broncos selected Tim Tebow as the 25th pick in last years draft, and my slamming of him in a vast majority of the off-season discussion, I have to now look at things with an anything is possible approach.

Whether or not Newton will have success at the next level will ultimately be up to him. There is no question that he has some of the tangibles, and intangibles of what it takes to be a good NFL quarterback. In fact, as of now, he has the opportunity to be better than a Josh Freeman or Ben Roethlisberger type of quarterback. Like Michael Vick has done, Newton with no question will need to turn his focus to the passing game as well as the study of it. With a pass first mentality, and a hard work ethic, Newton can be successful in the NFL. He has potential... but as they say, potential doesn't mean anything until one lives up to it.

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Do you think that Cam Newton will be a successful starting quarterback in the National Football League?
Yes, no question. He is the next Michael Vick... only bigger.
87 votes
No way, he is Brandon Jacobs with the slight ability to throw a football.
639 votes
Maybe, he has the tools, he just needs to be put in the right situation.
780 votes

1506 votes | Poll has closed

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Voted maybe

He really just needs a good team situation and some time to develop as a passer. I don’t think he’ll ever be as dynamic as Mike Vick.

Stolen from manraj7, with some additions:
1. Jake Locker QB Wasington 2. Jimmy Smith CB Colorado (or Best CB Available) 3. Christian Ballard DE Iowa 4a. Owen Marecic FB/ST Stanford 4b. Kai Forbath K UCLA 5. Running Back 6a. Defensive Lineman 6b. Guard or Center 7. Whatever's left!

by See Jay on Jan 11, 2011 6:25 PM PST reply actions  

Bottom line

Newton is not worth wasting a 1at round pick

by ninersince94 on Jan 11, 2011 6:26 PM PST via mobile reply actions   1 recs

If we draft Cam Newton my wrists and my razor will be having a field day.

Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
My dream draft
1. Jake Locker QB UW 2. Jimmy Smith CB Colorado 3. Casey Mathews OLB Oregon. 4a. Owen Marecic FB/LB/ST Stanford 4b. Titus Young WR Boise 5. Alex Henery K Nebraska 6a.Clay Nurse DE/OLB Illinois (depending on combine/proday) 6b. Chase Beeler C Stanford 7a. BPA 7b. BPA

by manraj7 on Jan 11, 2011 6:26 PM PST reply actions  

If we draft him higher than like the 5th round I might think about it

But he’s not gonna drop that far I don’t think. He’s very much a project and is not the type of QB we need with our QB situation so up in the air. I thought about it a little earlier and we almost need to draft a guy who could technically step in this coming season if needed. So ideally guys who are in pro type offensives schemes and not spread offenses, especially his that is quite run oriented, are what we should be looking for.

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by Mangoman on Jan 11, 2011 6:39 PM PST up reply actions  

5th round?

he’ll be drafted in the first and I wouldn’t be surprised to see him be the first QB taken

by smileyman on Jan 11, 2011 6:40 PM PST up reply actions  

It wouldn't surprise me too much either

I just hope we’re not the ones that take him that soon!

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by Mangoman on Jan 11, 2011 7:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Let me elaborate on my headline

If we drafted him higher than the 5th I might think about the wrist/razor thing (underline might).

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by Mangoman on Jan 11, 2011 6:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Just don't make the mistake

like so many others do, up the arm not across the wrists..

2011 season can't come quick enough..

by AzNiner on Jan 11, 2011 9:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Definitely not in the first.

Not at all, if Harbaugh is going to run the WCO.

by cabz on Jan 11, 2011 6:27 PM PST reply actions  

yeah

He’s not a fit in a WCO. I think he could be Vince Young 2.0 in Tennessee.

Stolen from manraj7, with some additions:
1. Jake Locker QB Wasington 2. Jimmy Smith CB Colorado (or Best CB Available) 3. Christian Ballard DE Iowa 4a. Owen Marecic FB/ST Stanford 4b. Kai Forbath K UCLA 5. Running Back 6a. Defensive Lineman 6b. Guard or Center 7. Whatever's left!

by See Jay on Jan 11, 2011 6:28 PM PST up reply actions  

That or

If he goes in the top 5 picks I’d hope AZ takes him.

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by Mangoman on Jan 11, 2011 7:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Vince Young runs more decisively than Cam

At this point, I'm pretty much done with surprises - Michael Crabtree

by Amigo on Jan 11, 2011 7:29 PM PST up reply actions  

...

If he’s smart he will return to auburn for another year.

by ninersince94 on Jan 11, 2011 6:27 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Doubt it, since his eligibility could eventually come under fire.

Stolen from manraj7, with some additions:
1. Jake Locker QB Wasington 2. Jimmy Smith CB Colorado (or Best CB Available) 3. Christian Ballard DE Iowa 4a. Owen Marecic FB/ST Stanford 4b. Kai Forbath K UCLA 5. Running Back 6a. Defensive Lineman 6b. Guard or Center 7. Whatever's left!

by See Jay on Jan 11, 2011 6:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe he can catch

I think he would be a tough tight end.

by Mo9er on Jan 11, 2011 6:30 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

I voted no

He doesn’t have the basic skills that he needs to even begin the learning process in the NFL

By the by I saw this photo from the si_vault twitter feed and thought it appropriate here.

by smileyman on Jan 11, 2011 6:32 PM PST reply actions  

thats uncalled for!

"The year we beat Miami in the Super Bowl, ... do you know how many defensive linemen were in our rotation? Nine, and we used them all quite a bit. We just wore the Dolphins out."
Bill Walsh quote

by Iupati_like_its_1999 on Jan 11, 2011 6:55 PM PST up reply actions  

I voted maybe

Kiper Jr. made a good point that he moves well with people around him and keeps the play alive – a la rothlsberger.

We are going to judge him on one pass in the end zone that actually went right through the guys arms, it didn’t “short hop”?

I saw a quick release with good accuracy on most of the throws and his patience stood out most of all. Vince Young or Rothlisberger are more apt comparisons than Russell.

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Jan 11, 2011 6:44 PM PST reply actions  

my big thing

is how often he throws off his back feet. that’s something that’s going to be really hard to overcome. not saying it can’t be done, but I don’t see it happening

by smileyman on Jan 11, 2011 6:45 PM PST up reply actions  

so does jay cutlet - constantly

and its his decisions that get him in trouble. So if that’s your biggest concern I think you should change your opinion.

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Jan 11, 2011 6:47 PM PST up reply actions  

lol cutlet

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Jan 11, 2011 6:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm a Jay Cutler fan

But if he didn’t have that habit of throwing off his back feet constantly (and making some very poor decisions – which include throwing it off his back feet), then he would have been a lot more successful and a lot quicker in the NFL

by TeeKay89 on Jan 11, 2011 6:55 PM PST up reply actions  

its his decisions that make him throw off his back foot

its a knee-jerk reaction. Cam is calm as can be.

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Jan 11, 2011 6:56 PM PST up reply actions  

...because of a good defense.

The Bears offense isn’t exactly racking in stats.

I survived the David Carr Press Conference Thread 3/06/2010
Credit to iaalexeeff

The New and Improved Bay Area Connections:
Madison Bumgarner to Gerald Buster "Jesus" Posey
Stephen Curry to David Lee
(insert QB here) to Michael Crabtree

by Hoopers Judge on Jan 11, 2011 7:25 PM PST up reply actions  

It's taken Cutler 5 seasons

to get to the point where he’s not killing his teams with his TD to INT ratios. That’s not a good investment at all

by smileyman on Jan 11, 2011 6:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Again his team is doing quite well

and throwing off his back foot is not what makes him throw INT’s. In fact some of his best throws are off his back foot.

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Jan 11, 2011 6:52 PM PST up reply actions  

throwing off the back foot

is not a good idea. Sometimes a player gets lucky but it’s a recipe for disaster. Again, I’m not disputing that his team is doing well, or that he’s not had a fantastic year—I think he’s had one of his best years as a pro, but this is his 5th season.

You don’t spend a first round pick on a 5 season project

by smileyman on Jan 11, 2011 6:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Would you give our 1st for Cutler?

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Jan 11, 2011 6:54 PM PST up reply actions  

No.

He’s too “feast or famine” for my tastes. Someone who is consistent is what we want for the WCO.

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Credit to iaalexeeff

The New and Improved Bay Area Connections:
Madison Bumgarner to Gerald Buster "Jesus" Posey
Stephen Curry to David Lee
(insert QB here) to Michael Crabtree

by Hoopers Judge on Jan 11, 2011 7:26 PM PST up reply actions  

funny

I wonder what everyone’s opinions were when the Broncos traded him. I’m pretty sure it was roundly criticized. Why? because Cutler is a good QB.
Even after Orton’s great season he is still considered < Cutler. Hmmmm

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Jan 11, 2011 8:05 PM PST up reply actions  

he's better than McNabb Orton

or the first two years any draft pick would be… So why not a 1st rounder?

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Jan 11, 2011 8:18 PM PST up reply actions  

He's not better than McNabb or Orton

Basically they’re all three about the same level

2010 stats
McNabb—275/472 58.3% completion 36.3 attempts per game 3,377 total yards, 7.2 ypa, 259.8 yards per game. 14 TDs, 15 INTs

Cutler—261/432 60.4% completion, 28.8 attempts per game 3,274 total yards, 7.6 ypa 218.3 yards per game, 23 tds 16INTs

Orton—293/498 58.8% completion, 38.3 attempts per game, 3,653 yards, 7.3 yards per attempt 281.0 yards per game, 20TDs to 9INTS

2009
McNabb—267/443 60.3% completion 31.6 attempts per game, 3,553 yards, 8.0 yards per attempt 253.8 yards per game, 22tds 10ints

Cutler—336/555 60.5% completion, 34.7 attempts per game, 3,666 yards, 6.6 yards per attempt, 229.1 ypg, 27TDs 26INTS

Orton—336/541 62.1%, 33.8 attempts per game, 3,802 yards, 7.0 ypa, 237.6 ypg, 21TDs, 12INTS

Basically the way I see it they’re actually all about the same skill wise at this stage in the careers, except that McNabb knows how to run a WCO to perfection while Orton and Cutler have never played in a WCO.

Plus Denver will want a 1st for Orton, Chicago won’t give up Cutler for any price and McNabb will probably be released or could be had for a 3rd rounder.

by smileyman on Jan 11, 2011 8:33 PM PST up reply actions  

2010 Cutler is WAAAAYYY better

2009 was Cutler’s worst year and his first with a new team. That’s some shady pickins.

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Jan 11, 2011 8:35 PM PST up reply actions  

but 2010 cutler

is not waaaaay better than either McNabb or Orton. He’s way better than 2009 Cutler, but he’s about on par with McNabb and Orton.

Better TD/INT ratio than McNabb, worse than Orton, worse yardage totals than either of them, about the same yards per attempt.

Basically it’s a wash between those three QBs in my opinion, though Cutler probably has the best upside of them.

I still wouldn’t want him for a WCO though

by smileyman on Jan 11, 2011 8:37 PM PST up reply actions  

9 more TD's?

oh and he didn’t get benched for Rex Grossman.

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Jan 11, 2011 8:44 PM PST up reply actions  

you really think that McNabb's benching had anything to do with his skill?

and nothing to do with an autocratic coach trying to establish that he’s the big man on campus and an offensive coordinator who took offense at the idea that his quarterback dare offer him ideas on how to do things differently?

by smileyman on Jan 11, 2011 8:45 PM PST up reply actions  

no

but I think if you polled the NFL as to who was the better QB this past year it wouldn’t even be close.

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Jan 11, 2011 8:52 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah

but that’s due to the media framing the story as McNabbing having a horrible year. Once the story gets framed that way it’s hard for journalists to go against the grain. The only stat that’s signficantly worse this year than last for McNabb was his TD to INT ratio and I think that’s not an unreasonable thing to expect given the much worse level of talent (particularly offensive line) that he had to deal with in Washington compared to Philly.

by smileyman on Jan 11, 2011 8:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I wanted McNabb to have a great year and make Philly pay

Grew up there and can’t stand the fans. Now I realize McNabb sucked it up and I ended up routing on the Eagles. How quickly it all changed.

Its also because Cutler’s team is winning. ;)

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Jan 11, 2011 8:58 PM PST up reply actions  

I find it even more ironic

because Kyle Shanahan himself siad that his offense took 2-3 years to learn, yet he was benching his QB mid-way through the season.

by smileyman on Jan 11, 2011 8:59 PM PST up reply actions  

no doubt Shan looks like the dufis

but Grossman did play really well in his last game. That’s at least a little cause for pause.

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Jan 11, 2011 9:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Redskins fans don't like him

they call him good Rex and bad Rex because he can throw for a ton of yards but he’ll turn the ball over a ton as well.

by smileyman on Jan 11, 2011 9:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Denver reportedly wants a 2nd for Orton

McNabb will probably be released but not until it’s too late for him to be effective somewhere else. Obviously Cutler isn’t up for grabs.

Stolen from manraj7, with some additions:
1. Jake Locker QB Wasington 2. Jimmy Smith CB Colorado (or Best CB Available) 3. Christian Ballard DE Iowa 4a. Owen Marecic FB/ST Stanford 4b. Kai Forbath K UCLA 5. Running Back 6a. Defensive Lineman 6b. Guard or Center 7. Whatever's left!

by See Jay on Jan 11, 2011 8:36 PM PST up reply actions  

not into the regular season

He’s due a huuuuge roster bonus if he’s signed on Day 1 Regular Season.

Stolen from manraj7, with some additions:
1. Jake Locker QB Wasington 2. Jimmy Smith CB Colorado (or Best CB Available) 3. Christian Ballard DE Iowa 4a. Owen Marecic FB/ST Stanford 4b. Kai Forbath K UCLA 5. Running Back 6a. Defensive Lineman 6b. Guard or Center 7. Whatever's left!

by See Jay on Jan 11, 2011 8:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Same situation with Hanesworth

Did they do anything … no.

It's Whore-baugh, remember?

by bignerd on Jan 11, 2011 8:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Haynseworth situation was weird

I think that Mike Shanahan wanted to get rid of him early but knew nobody would offer anything, so he created this drama so he could suspend him for “conduct detrimental” and try to get some of that money back.

by smileyman on Jan 11, 2011 8:46 PM PST up reply actions  

right

but they won’t dump him for awhile. they gave up too much on him to dump him outright

by smileyman on Jan 11, 2011 8:46 PM PST up reply actions  

I guess

I doubt they pay $12.5m for a guy they don’t plan to play.

Stolen from manraj7, with some additions:
1. Jake Locker QB Wasington 2. Jimmy Smith CB Colorado (or Best CB Available) 3. Christian Ballard DE Iowa 4a. Owen Marecic FB/ST Stanford 4b. Kai Forbath K UCLA 5. Running Back 6a. Defensive Lineman 6b. Guard or Center 7. Whatever's left!

by See Jay on Jan 11, 2011 8:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I know

but as you said above, it was a weird situation and as I say, once bitten, twice shy.

They’ll shop him around but I doubt anyone takes him as a trade since his contract is pretty ridiculous.

Stolen from manraj7, with some additions:
1. Jake Locker QB Wasington 2. Jimmy Smith CB Colorado (or Best CB Available) 3. Christian Ballard DE Iowa 4a. Owen Marecic FB/ST Stanford 4b. Kai Forbath K UCLA 5. Running Back 6a. Defensive Lineman 6b. Guard or Center 7. Whatever's left!

by See Jay on Jan 11, 2011 8:54 PM PST up reply actions  

the Cutler trade was unnecessary

We criticize it because McDaniels tried to replace an established QB and didn’t get who he wanted. He then lied to Cutler and caused a media storm. The Broncos got lucky getting Orton when Cutler would have held out until Denver cut him.

by mcwagner on Jan 11, 2011 8:39 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Cutler

No way Cutler is worth a 1st round pick, I still remember last year when he played the 49ers, In that game he looked pretty sad, He has improved this year some, But still not worth even a 5th or higher round pick maybe,

by DaHawn-49er on Jan 11, 2011 8:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Cutler's easily worth a first round pick

I don’t think he’s a fit for the 49ers, but he’s easily a first rounder.

Don’t downgrade his value just because you don’t like him

by smileyman on Jan 11, 2011 8:58 PM PST up reply actions  

lol he said

not even worth a 5th!

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Jan 11, 2011 8:59 PM PST up reply actions  

not worth a 5th

and you want people to take you seriously.
Note to self: ignore posts from “DaHawn-49er”

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Jan 11, 2011 8:59 PM PST up reply actions  

goat

I’m with you here. I’ve heard him compared to Ben Rothlisberger more than anyone else.

I think he is good. He has shown he can do everything that’s needed of him, my only concern is he has only done it for one year.

Guys listen, don’t judge him on that one pass. Don’t judge him on his first game after ONE MONTH off. That’s like judging a guy on the first game of the season before they are in rythm. I’ve read already a bunch of articles saying that this game was sloppy, and everyone was rusty. Had this game been a week after the regular season, you would have seen a 45-40 game.

MORE THAN A MONTH BETWEEN GAMES, you don’t htink that affects timing at all? Nerves?

by hudd07 on Jan 11, 2011 8:17 PM PST up reply actions  

love that low incomplete pass to the wide open receiver in the end zone

bcs championship really highlighted he’s just a big qb. great for 3rd and one, awful for the nfl

by whanson on Jan 11, 2011 6:51 PM PST reply actions  

whoever Harbaugh chooses...

whether f/a or trade or draft will fit his system better than anyone we choose, cam or locker or mallet or whomever.

by wtlichens on Jan 11, 2011 6:51 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

how so?

The perfect WCO QBs are guys like: Joe Montana, Steve Young and Donovan McNabb. Mallett doesn’t share much of his skill set with them. I think Locker would be the ideal QB in this year’s draft to groom into a WCO team. But I’d definitely see if Tampa would part with Josh Johnson. He’d be a great fit with Harbaugh, mostly because he was already a great fit while starring at USD under Harbaugh

by monkey spanker on Jan 11, 2011 7:07 PM PST up reply actions  

The whole WCO QB prototype thing reminds of the argument in baseball for a good “leadoff” guy. That’s the kind of thinking that gets you the Dave Roberts of quarterbacks.

The difference between having a good quarterback who doesn’t perfectly fit your scheme and a bad quarterback who does is that in one of those scenarios you have a good quarterback.

Get the best quarterback. The best. Not the best fit. The best. Plain as that.

If there’s a tie between the two best quarterbacks, then pick the one who fits your scheme better. Scheme is a tiebreaker. Talent comes first.

It looks like dancing frog in the sky because it's green.

by howtheyscored on Jan 11, 2011 7:38 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

how so...

sarcasm

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Jan 11, 2011 7:59 PM PST up reply actions  

McNabb/Johnson

I like to see McNabb / Johnson as 49ers qb, As for drafting a qb goes, They can hold off and get more of what they need and wait, Maybe Luck will be there in 2012.

by DaHawn-49er on Jan 11, 2011 9:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Locker is a better fit imo

I know his accuracy has been down, but that’s mostly due to a bad o-line and bad WRs.

by TeeKay89 on Jan 11, 2011 6:53 PM PST up reply actions  

the reason we wanted harbagh is that he made/knows qb's

whomever he decides to make QB I will back 100 percent.

by wtlichens on Jan 11, 2011 7:29 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Locker is our future

"The year we beat Miami in the Super Bowl, ... do you know how many defensive linemen were in our rotation? Nine, and we used them all quite a bit. We just wore the Dolphins out."
Bill Walsh quote

by Iupati_like_its_1999 on Jan 11, 2011 7:01 PM PST reply actions  

Jeeeeeeeeeez

He should not even be considered for a 1st roun pick. This is Vince Young, Dennis Dixon, Tyrod Taylor. Not quality NFL quarterbacks. NFL is a passing leauge where the QB needs to have accuracy and make good decisions all the time not just once in a while.
NO.
Maybe in the 5th.

QUESTION: When is our QB going to answer questions like "You only threw 4 TD's today. What's wrong with the offense?"
ANSWER: When Andrew Luck ditches the draft and we sign him as an undrafted free agent!!!

by crumpedup15 on Jan 11, 2011 7:07 PM PST reply actions  

Those comparisons are way off.

He is inaccurate, but he is much bigger than Dixon or Taylor and has a much more natural release than Young. That said, I’m sure most teams would take Young before the 5th round considering how many wins he has during his career. I don’t like his character issues, but without them I wouldn’t mind having him if the system fit.

by Joshuahss on Jan 11, 2011 8:00 PM PST up reply actions  

And to Vince Young’s credit, he actually does seem to be a talented quarterback. He’s just nuts.

It looks like dancing frog in the sky because it's green.

by howtheyscored on Jan 11, 2011 8:16 PM PST up reply actions  

the 5th lol

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Jan 11, 2011 8:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm curious

It seems like alot of people have this underlying hatred for Cam, could it be because ofthe hype that follows him or is there more reasons?

And I thought you guys believed in Harbaugh?
If Harbaugh drafts him, he probably sees something he can mold into a potential franchise guy. Harbaugh knows he has time and he knows talent.

Would you honestly be upset if Harbaugh wanted to take a chance on him?

Life is like a Harbaughx of chocolates...BOOM!

by TheEliTorres on Jan 11, 2011 7:13 PM PST reply actions  

No

But only because it’s Harbaugh. That said, I just can’t see how with our current QB situation (or lack thereof) is going to prompt Harbaugh to draft him. We need someone who, if need be, will be able to do a decent job of running a pro-style, WCO starting sometime next season. Going in, it just looks like he’s not it.

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by Mangoman on Jan 11, 2011 7:21 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree that he might not be ready...

but I feel if Harbaugh does take a chance he’ll get someone else to start for maybe 2 years and mold Cam to potential greatness.

It might seem like a far fetched idea because it is haha.
I just figured I’d throw the thought out there for speculation and try to understand why people hate Cam so much.

Life is like a Harbaughx of chocolates...BOOM!

by TheEliTorres on Jan 11, 2011 7:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Possibly

It sounds really cynical, but I think it’s going to take more than two years. If you look at Newton’s entire college career, he only played one year where he put up any kind of viable numbers whatsoever. Granted that’s because he was playing behind some guy named Tebow at FLA for a while before he went to Auburn. But the bottom line is he’s very raw. And he’s going to have a lot of work to do before he can become a regular starter in the league. So if Harb is willing to give it a go, yeah he would be an excellent guy to mold Cam into an NFL QB. But not at the cost of a 1st rounder.

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by Mangoman on Jan 11, 2011 7:48 PM PST up reply actions  

I get you

your argument has molded my mind about him a little and for that I commend you haha.
I do like your reasonings though.

Life is like a Harbaughx of chocolates...BOOM!

by TheEliTorres on Jan 11, 2011 7:58 PM PST up reply actions  

I heard that Tebow guy wasn't a very good QB.

Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
My dream draft
1. Jake Locker QB UW 2. Jimmy Smith CB Colorado 3. Casey Mathews OLB Oregon. 4a. Owen Marecic FB/LB/ST Stanford 4b. Titus Young WR Boise 5. Alex Henery K Nebraska 6a.Clay Nurse DE/OLB Illinois (depending on combine/proday) 6b. Chase Beeler C Stanford 7a. BPA 7b. BPA

by manraj7 on Jan 11, 2011 7:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Stunk :P

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by Mangoman on Jan 11, 2011 8:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Bingo , not at the cost of ot a 1st round pick ...!!

I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ...Jimmy Raye your no daisy ...!!

by Edggy on Jan 12, 2011 5:00 AM PST up reply actions  

No I believe in Harbaugh

I just don’t like him. Character issues cannot overcome the biggest of arms.

Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
My dream draft
1. Jake Locker QB UW 2. Jimmy Smith CB Colorado 3. Casey Mathews OLB Oregon. 4a. Owen Marecic FB/LB/ST Stanford 4b. Titus Young WR Boise 5. Alex Henery K Nebraska 6a.Clay Nurse DE/OLB Illinois (depending on combine/proday) 6b. Chase Beeler C Stanford 7a. BPA 7b. BPA

by manraj7 on Jan 11, 2011 7:31 PM PST up reply actions  

As far as character issues

Haven’t a ton, for the most part, of successful NFL players been tagged with the term “character issues” and in some way or another turned it around?
It seems like some see a partial character issues as a black plague that would take years and years to even partially overturn. But look at Vernon Davis all it took was one coaching decision and I’m sure a few talks to turn his stuff around.

I’m not saying Cam is going to be a quick fix or a fix at all, I’m just saying the whole questionable character thing isn’t enough of an excuse that he’s not committed to a team and committed to winning.

Life is like a Harbaughx of chocolates...BOOM!

by TheEliTorres on Jan 11, 2011 8:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Not all of the time.

Its plausible but in the QB character issues explode 10 fold. The QB is supposed to be the leader. His word should be final on the field. If people think that he is a bad dude with poor judgement why should they listen to him?

Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
My dream draft
1. Jake Locker QB UW 2. Jimmy Smith CB Colorado 3. Casey Mathews OLB Oregon. 4a. Owen Marecic FB/LB/ST Stanford 4b. Titus Young WR Boise 5. Alex Henery K Nebraska 6a.Clay Nurse DE/OLB Illinois (depending on combine/proday) 6b. Chase Beeler C Stanford 7a. BPA 7b. BPA

by manraj7 on Jan 11, 2011 8:55 PM PST up reply actions  

No

We’ve seen this type of QB come along in a draft many times before. It never works.

It's Whore-baugh, remember?

by bignerd on Jan 11, 2011 7:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Honestly, I've never thought of Vick as a gimmick QB

You bring up a good point he does sorta fit the profile.

It's Whore-baugh, remember?

by bignerd on Jan 11, 2011 7:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Well I was mostly being sarcastic

because you’re right in that it mostly doesn’t work, bu9t someone will bring up Vick’s name so I thought I’d beat them to the punch.

by smileyman on Jan 11, 2011 7:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Thing is I thought Vick had some QB skills and was convinced he was the fastest guy on any football, NFL or college.

Cam Newton can throw a few passes and was used more as fullback in college like Tebow, won’t be effective in the NFL.

It's Whore-baugh, remember?

by bignerd on Jan 11, 2011 8:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Vick in College

54% completion percentage
9tds to 7ints in 2000

And you “thought Vick had some QB skills”.

Cam in 2010
30 TD’s 7 ints and 66% completion percentage

How in the world can you make that argument. Hindsight 20/20???

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Jan 11, 2011 8:13 PM PST up reply actions  

pwnt.

don’t quote stats, it only makes them angry.

PLEASE get McFadden out of Oakland. The pain is more than I can handle. Oakland, where careers go to die.

by Arkie49er on Jan 11, 2011 8:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Cause I watched a few of his games

He had a pretty good one in a National Championship game against Miami. That Miami who produced something like 18 1st round picks in two drafts. That defense was full of NFL talent and Vick lit them up: feet and arm.

It's Whore-baugh, remember?

by bignerd on Jan 11, 2011 8:21 PM PST up reply actions  

so one game sample trumps a year of

not even close stats? You are really reaching.

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Jan 11, 2011 8:26 PM PST up reply actions  

wrong game

It's Whore-baugh, remember?

by bignerd on Jan 11, 2011 8:36 PM PST up reply actions  

What about Tim Tebow.

It’s a small sample size but it may work there.

Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi

by Drew Kerr on Jan 11, 2011 11:34 PM PST up reply actions  

but newton is no vick!

There is only one michael vick and it’s unfair to compare all these new quarterbacks to him. Vick is the exception because he was a far better athlete than any of these guys. Any new run first QB coming out can only be fairly compared to Vince Young or Troy Smith. Those types of quarterback because Vick is on a completely different level by himself. I’d say Vince Young has been the most successful quarterback in the league to come from that type of skillset and hey if you think VY was worth a top 5 pick then Cam might be your guy but if you think VY was not worth a top 5 pick then cam isn’t your guy. And i’m assuming you’re being sarcastic so this is for all those people who do think cam is the next vick :)

Niners, Lakers and the Warriors... when Lakers have the night off.

by afrikabamboodle on Jan 11, 2011 7:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Vince Young has also been successful.

If not for his work ethic and character issues I think he would be considered by many an above average QB if only for how often he won.

by Joshuahss on Jan 11, 2011 8:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Only have to find Cam a Chris Johnson to make him successful.

It's Whore-baugh, remember?

by bignerd on Jan 11, 2011 8:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Kerry Collins was hurting CJ because he’s statue in the backfield and a backup level QB. VY was a backup level QB with some movement.

It's Whore-baugh, remember?

by bignerd on Jan 11, 2011 8:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Me neither.

I don’t want him on the Niners at this point because he is off his rocker, but in the right system I could absolutely see him having a Vick like resurrection (to a leser degree).

by Joshuahss on Jan 11, 2011 8:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Josh Freeman?

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Jan 11, 2011 8:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Freeman was a drop back and read QB in college. Locker runs a lot too but he again he is asked to drop back and read a series of routes. Watching Cam Newton it was the same reads every play: handoff (yes/no), check to see if QB bit on play fake than pass (yes/no), handoff (yes/no) if still no than run it yourself.

It's Whore-baugh, remember?

by bignerd on Jan 11, 2011 8:13 PM PST up reply actions  

but he's big and black

and its pretty obvious that is why people don’t think hes a good passing QB

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Jan 11, 2011 8:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Well if he could pass we could pretty obviously over look it

He’s Michael Robinson but 6" inches taller.

It's Whore-baugh, remember?

by bignerd on Jan 11, 2011 8:18 PM PST up reply actions  

MRob threw 30 Td's in a season

try his career

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Jan 11, 2011 8:20 PM PST up reply actions  

thats right

but he did attempt one for the Seahawks this year. That’s one more than we ever attempted with him.

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Jan 11, 2011 8:27 PM PST up reply actions  

No way HarBaalke drafts Cam

Harbaugh seeks “Athletic instincts, accuracy, timing, decision making, leadership, intelligence,..” in QB, not just size and athleticism.

I can see Niners trading down if they can’t get value.

by Mood_Indigo on Jan 11, 2011 7:51 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't see them trading down

They will probably either take a QB or Prince Amukamara in the 1st. I haven’t seen/heard it talked about too much, but the best QB that would fit just about all of those attributes is Christian Ponder. Anyone that hasn’t read or seen a bio on him needs to do so.

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by Mangoman on Jan 11, 2011 7:59 PM PST up reply actions  

egg salad

Ponder Is an egg.

"Niners Are Back!!!"

by mississippininer on Jan 11, 2011 10:08 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Maybe an egghead?

The guy apparently has a masters & is currently studying for his doctorate.

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by Mangoman on Jan 11, 2011 10:32 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

He needs to stick to school and outside ventures.

Football is not for him.

Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi

by Drew Kerr on Jan 11, 2011 11:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah that would be my main concern

That list didn’t include durability. Apparenlty he can’t stay healthy for a full season. It’s a bit difficult to build a QBOTF based on that.

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by Mangoman on Jan 12, 2011 8:58 AM PST up reply actions  

so every once in a while when i read about cam

I see someone mention his intangibles and leadership skills. When I think of Cam all I really think about is the guy who stole a laptop and had to transfer to another school and also the guy who always has a goofy smile on his face and laughing around the sideline having fun. Where is the leadership that he has displayed that people are talking about? I’m not trying to bash him but I am really trying to understand how he has shown to be a leader and capable of being a hard worker in the NFL?

Niners, Lakers and the Warriors... when Lakers have the night off.

by afrikabamboodle on Jan 11, 2011 7:53 PM PST reply actions  

As far as laughing goes

i would be laughing and having fun to if was undefeated and people kept telling me that me and my team were virtually unstoppable.

Life is like a Harbaughx of chocolates...BOOM!

by TheEliTorres on Jan 11, 2011 8:25 PM PST up reply actions  

yes i'm not faulting him for having fun

I actually like that about him. But all I have seen him do is have fun which is absolutely fine. However my question is if all these claims about his intangibles and leadership is credible because I do not know what his work ethic is like in practice etc. etc.

Niners, Lakers and the Warriors... when Lakers have the night off.

by afrikabamboodle on Jan 11, 2011 8:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I hate newton

because I hate Auburn and I’m certain he took the money. That said, there was an extra ton of pressure tossed on him by that whole ordeal, and he appeared to not only survive it but to thrive on it. I think he may turn out to be a media whore, but I think he’s probably pretty mentally tough. Now, the niners must never ever take him. Ever.

PLEASE get McFadden out of Oakland. The pain is more than I can handle. Oakland, where careers go to die.

by Arkie49er on Jan 11, 2011 8:51 PM PST up reply actions  

No money was ever exchanged.

Why would he become a media whore? Because he’s in the spotlight because he is the best player in college?

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Jan 11, 2011 8:53 PM PST up reply actions  

"no money was ever exchanged..."

not buying it, and the media whore thing is my impression, just based on the way he plays the camera on the sideline. He’s an insane athlete. I can see him doing well at a number of postions. I am near certain that at some point in the future it will come out that money changed hands. That aside, I think it is too soon. He needs to cook another year. put up similar numbers next year and I’ll buy in more. Like I said, I hate Auburn.

PLEASE get McFadden out of Oakland. The pain is more than I can handle. Oakland, where careers go to die.

by Arkie49er on Jan 11, 2011 8:58 PM PST up reply actions  

lol "not buying it"

when money is exchanged there are these things called records

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Jan 11, 2011 9:00 PM PST up reply actions  

assuming that the NCAA actually wanted to know the truth

and the banks coooperated. The wouldn’t have to since teh NCAA has no power to subpoena. All they can do is ask people questions and if everybody involved stays quiet nothing gets out.

Personally I don’t think he took any money, but I don’t doubt he shopped Cam. How serious was he? who knows

by smileyman on Jan 11, 2011 9:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Its not just the NCAA asking questions though

Its every member of the media. If someone is to suddenly acquire a lot of money there are ways to find out.

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Jan 11, 2011 9:05 PM PST up reply actions  

good point on the media

they’d be the ones to do the real investigating, especially with a story of this magnitude

by smileyman on Jan 11, 2011 9:06 PM PST up reply actions  

the first one to make a discovery

would be getting a serious promotion

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Jan 11, 2011 9:07 PM PST up reply actions  

49ers please no

newton is a mut this guy sucks

by 49erbayarea on Jan 11, 2011 8:00 PM PST reply actions  

a mut?

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Jan 11, 2011 8:16 PM PST up reply actions  

ummm

Yeah, I don’t think there’s any place for this here.

Stolen from manraj7, with some additions:
1. Jake Locker QB Wasington 2. Jimmy Smith CB Colorado (or Best CB Available) 3. Christian Ballard DE Iowa 4a. Owen Marecic FB/ST Stanford 4b. Kai Forbath K UCLA 5. Running Back 6a. Defensive Lineman 6b. Guard or Center 7. Whatever's left!

by See Jay on Jan 11, 2011 8:18 PM PST up reply actions  

the real feelings about cam

rear their ugly head

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Jan 11, 2011 8:21 PM PST up reply actions  

seems so

Stolen from manraj7, with some additions:
1. Jake Locker QB Wasington 2. Jimmy Smith CB Colorado (or Best CB Available) 3. Christian Ballard DE Iowa 4a. Owen Marecic FB/ST Stanford 4b. Kai Forbath K UCLA 5. Running Back 6a. Defensive Lineman 6b. Guard or Center 7. Whatever's left!

by See Jay on Jan 11, 2011 8:21 PM PST up reply actions  

We should not get cam newton

we do not need a qb that is going to run when he gets paniced. during the bcs game, if cam had any type of trouble he would look to run. he would not move in the pocket or shift himself after the snap to prepare himself for rush. That is the type of qb that we need. I dont mind a qb that decides to run when all options are done, but most of the time a qb can either slide in the pocket or have a pre-snap movement ala brady, rodgers, or manning

by GaNinersFan on Jan 11, 2011 8:00 PM PST reply actions  

From what I seen lastnight

He has great pocket presence.

by EcERyda69 on Jan 11, 2011 9:18 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

i get jokes

It's Whore-baugh, remember?

by bignerd on Jan 11, 2011 9:19 PM PST up reply actions  

steve young vs cam newton

Niners fans remember how JerryRice did not like young because he would take off and run before jerry could get open? Well eventually Steve learned how to be a WCO QB. All I am saying is todays defense are bigger faster stronger and smarter than days of young to rice. We need a big strong but trained on footwork

"Niners Are Back!!!"

by mississippininer on Jan 11, 2011 10:18 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Newton

I’m not a fan of “dual threat” qb’s for the simple reason that they tend to have happy feet.McNabb has been good Vick was excellent this year,but name me dual threat qb that could be considered and elite qb.I’m all for a moblie qb who isn’t lol,but i want a guy that will go through his progressions before running off.

by Daniel Wilkinson on Jan 11, 2011 8:05 PM PST reply actions  

Steve Young

any more questions?

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Jan 11, 2011 8:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Locker is a lot more like Young than Newton is.

Stolen from manraj7, with some additions:
1. Jake Locker QB Wasington 2. Jimmy Smith CB Colorado (or Best CB Available) 3. Christian Ballard DE Iowa 4a. Owen Marecic FB/ST Stanford 4b. Kai Forbath K UCLA 5. Running Back 6a. Defensive Lineman 6b. Guard or Center 7. Whatever's left!

by See Jay on Jan 11, 2011 8:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Fran Tarkenton.

It looks like dancing frog in the sky because it's green.

by howtheyscored on Jan 11, 2011 8:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Randall Cunningham

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Jan 11, 2011 8:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Good one.

It looks like dancing frog in the sky because it's green.

by howtheyscored on Jan 11, 2011 8:23 PM PST up reply actions  

McNair for sure

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Jan 11, 2011 8:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Warren Moon: Not really a runner.

It looks like dancing frog in the sky because it's green.

by howtheyscored on Jan 11, 2011 8:28 PM PST up reply actions  

but but

he’s black!!!

PLEASE get McFadden out of Oakland. The pain is more than I can handle. Oakland, where careers go to die.

by Arkie49er on Jan 11, 2011 8:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh no you didn't!!

2011 season can't come quick enough..

by AzNiner on Jan 11, 2011 9:10 PM PST up reply actions  

How about Rodney Peete

Since we are on the subject of Afro American QB’s.. trying to be PC here… All that comes to mind is his HOT wife when I think of him..

2011 season can't come quick enough..

by AzNiner on Jan 11, 2011 9:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Troy Smith is the modern day Rodney Peete

It's Whore-baugh, remember?

by bignerd on Jan 11, 2011 9:20 PM PST up reply actions  

warren moon...

getting into “athletic QB” territory. i was going to say doug williams, but then i realized we were just sitting here naming black QBs…for some reason.

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Jan 11, 2011 8:29 PM PST up reply actions  

hence...

steve grogan down below…

can throw in rich gannon too…SB appearance, 529 rush yards in 2000.

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Jan 11, 2011 8:31 PM PST up reply actions  

stat master

plus actual masters in sport psych. :-)

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Jan 11, 2011 8:35 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm the reverse

Psychology and MA in Phil of Mind with a strong background in stats.

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Jan 11, 2011 8:35 PM PST up reply actions  

i'm psych BS...

sport psych MS…masters and doctoral work (analyzing study data plus 12 credits in evaluation and research methodology) gave me strong stats background.

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Jan 11, 2011 8:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah yeah BS lol

I wish I would have had the opportunity. I didn’t really figure out what I liked until it was too late.

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Jan 11, 2011 8:46 PM PST up reply actions  

i figured out...

what i liked when i was about 14…girls.

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Jan 11, 2011 8:49 PM PST up reply actions  

my problem

1)girls
2)partying
3)knowledge

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Jan 11, 2011 8:54 PM PST up reply actions  

haha...

i think there might be an interaction effect at work between those independent variables. just saying.

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Jan 11, 2011 8:55 PM PST up reply actions  

i think...

it’s a “3-way interaction” so to speak:

when knowledge is high, partying is high, and girls are high…well, ok, forget it, “girls are high” is a thought-stopper.

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Jan 11, 2011 8:59 PM PST up reply actions  

how about a three way

interaction…. lol

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Jan 11, 2011 9:01 PM PST up reply actions  

I think Neuroeconomics

has the best potential for novel methods of evaluating draft prospect. Simulated game situations while measuring attention arousal and throwing in various kinds of “interference”.

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Jan 11, 2011 8:37 PM PST up reply actions  

attention

is a huge subfield in sport psych.

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Jan 11, 2011 8:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I think it would be cool to form an independant team of sport psych evaluators

Like a firm. Hook potential draftees up to eeg, fmri, and do simulated and real situational stuff. I think you could pull off eeg while actually running around and playing football.

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Jan 11, 2011 8:48 PM PST up reply actions  

you can

they actually have portable eeg machines now. they hooke up about a million wires to your head and give you a little pack that stores the data recorded as you move around. Later they print it off or downloaded it to their machines for intepretation.

by smileyman on Jan 11, 2011 8:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Lets buy one and test it out

got a couple hundred grand? lol

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Jan 11, 2011 8:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I've seen one in action

on my wife. she was having mini-seizures during the day and they could never replicated them in the hospital so they hooked her up with one of those for a couple days.

by smileyman on Jan 11, 2011 8:59 PM PST up reply actions  

interesting

There’s a new possibility of using TMS to treat asynchronous brain activity that can lead to seizures. But its only available outside the US.

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Jan 11, 2011 9:02 PM PST up reply actions  

i'm almost positive...

that there are already firms around that do that kind of thing…

what i hope is that one day, they incorporate all that stuff into the combine, rather than seeing if a guy can double-dutch for more than 5 seconds.

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Jan 11, 2011 8:53 PM PST up reply actions  

thats what I'm saying

When its really applicable we will hear about it. But why not try to be the first?

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Jan 11, 2011 8:55 PM PST up reply actions  

how about...

you pack a few EEGs, EMGs, simulators, eye-trackers, GSR sensors, and HR monitors, and meet me in indianapolis on 2/22/11.

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Jan 11, 2011 9:03 PM PST up reply actions  

deal

but I’ll need a slight stipend

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Jan 11, 2011 9:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Not at the end of his career

but he averaged 4-5 rushes per game. He was not the runner that Vick is, but nobody is, or has been that kind of runner. Warren Moon was one of the first athletic QBs. One year he had 70 attempts, other years 5 rushing TDs. So again, to say that he was Vick would be incorrect, but to say he didn’t use his legs to hurt you, is wrong.

by hudd07 on Jan 11, 2011 8:42 PM PST up reply actions  

He ran for half as many yards as John Elway in his career. That’s a big difference. He may have been an athletic guy, but the guys we’re talking about are not your “athletic QB” types. We’re talking about guys who put up a lot of yards on the ground. Warren Moon was great, but he just isn’t in the same class there.

It looks like dancing frog in the sky because it's green.

by howtheyscored on Jan 11, 2011 11:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Unless my search skillz are off, Cunningham still has the most rushing yards of any QB in history. Then Vick. Then Young. Then Tarkenton. Then McNair. Then a guy called Cliff Battles. Then John Elway. Then McNabb. Then a guy called Tobin Rote.

It looks like dancing frog in the sky because it's green.

by howtheyscored on Jan 11, 2011 8:27 PM PST up reply actions  

wow we did pretty well then

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Jan 11, 2011 8:28 PM PST up reply actions  

And I don’t know why Battles is even on that list. He wasn’t a quarterback. Bad pro-football-reference.com. Bad.

It looks like dancing frog in the sky because it's green.

by howtheyscored on Jan 11, 2011 8:31 PM PST up reply actions  

I think Elway is a guy who would never would have guessed. But he really did run a lot.

It looks like dancing frog in the sky because it's green.

by howtheyscored on Jan 11, 2011 8:32 PM PST up reply actions  

i was thinking about him...

when i was trying to fulfill the “grogan rule” about not getting too racially one-sided here.

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Jan 11, 2011 8:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Randall Cunningham bootlegs in Tecmo Bowl still irritate me.

by Grant Brisbee on Jan 11, 2011 8:32 PM PST up reply actions  

tecmo...

just had a flash back of getting beat up by my sisters 14 year old boyfriend because I crushed him, and rubbed it in. I don’t recall the score, but it was brutal. I was 8.

PLEASE get McFadden out of Oakland. The pain is more than I can handle. Oakland, where careers go to die.

by Arkie49er on Jan 11, 2011 8:33 PM PST up reply actions  

wrong

I was 10. my memory sucks.

PLEASE get McFadden out of Oakland. The pain is more than I can handle. Oakland, where careers go to die.

by Arkie49er on Jan 11, 2011 8:34 PM PST up reply actions  

pretty brutal

he hit me in the face with my NES advantage. Gave me a black eye. My mom made my sister dump him. And recounting this story makes me sound 16. I’m not.

PLEASE get McFadden out of Oakland. The pain is more than I can handle. Oakland, where careers go to die.

by Arkie49er on Jan 11, 2011 8:39 PM PST up reply actions  

32

nicely done sir, hats off.

PLEASE get McFadden out of Oakland. The pain is more than I can handle. Oakland, where careers go to die.

by Arkie49er on Jan 11, 2011 8:40 PM PST up reply actions  

it was an easy guess

since I remember tecmo and I’ll be 34 in a couple months

by smileyman on Jan 11, 2011 8:48 PM PST up reply actions  

32

as well…33 in 9 days.

of course, i’d have to guess the 25-34 crowd is overrepresented on here.

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Jan 11, 2011 8:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Hey smileyman..can we get a thread on..

QB prospects? I really like Blaine Gabbert btw..i hope we take him..check out this video guys..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5nGYHLeB2g ..he looks pretty good out there..even if his wrs were dropping passes.

"Winning means being unafraid to lose." – Fran Tarkenton

by Nelow on Jan 11, 2011 8:45 PM PST up reply actions  

daunte culpepper

…probably the 3rd best passing season of all time. ran a lot before the knee inj.

also, steve mcnair. made super bowl, MVP in 2003.

oh, and steve grogan…made super bowl & ran for 539 yds in 1978. jk ;-)

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Jan 11, 2011 8:28 PM PST up reply actions  

and another one - biggie

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Jan 11, 2011 8:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I have a feeling that JH has a QB he likes and will get in the 3rd or 4th round

And that they will get a veteran for a couple of years

fire Moran Norris
hire Owen Marecic

by Jaxson876 on Jan 11, 2011 8:14 PM PST reply actions  

The hate continues....

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Jan 11, 2011 8:17 PM PST reply actions  

what the stats say...

per the lewin career forecast for 1st- or 2nd-round QBs based on newton’s 14 career starts & 65.4% career completion percentage:

DYAR/G = -232.16 + (2.75 × 14) + (250.31 × .654) = -29.96

“-29.96” means that, as of right now, he’s projected to gain 30 fewer yards per game over the course of his NFL career than the average backup QB. for comparison, alex smith’s career DYAR/G is -27.50.

if you go by my fan-friendlier lewin forecast, you get the following expected fantasy football points per game over the course of his career:

FFLPts/G = -16.34 + (.23 × 14) + (29.26 × .654) = 6.02

or, if you go by my fan-friendliest, dumbed-down lewin forecast, there’s about a 90-95% chance that newton won’t average 10 fantasy points per game during his NFL career.

for one more comparison, newton’s college stats are incredibly similar to mark sanchez’s (15 GS, 64.3% comp%), and the lewin career forecast wasn’t very kind to him, predicting an NFL career DYAR/G of – 30.22. as it stands right now, sanchez’s actual career DYAR/G is +5.70, and he’s obviously only going to get better. in terms of FFPts/G, my lewin-esque model predicted 5.94, and he currently sits at 9.31. again, an underestimation. however, i will say that it’s interesting that my dumbed-down model is, as of 1/11/11 correct in predicting less than 10 FFPts/G for sanchez. :-)

of course, before you go agreeing with me that the lewin forecast isn’t working for recent batches of college QBs who didn’t meet the “37 starts, 60% comp% standard,” i should point out that both the lewin forecast and my fantasy football forecast predicted josh freeman (35 GS, 59.1% in college) to have better career NFL stats than sanchez. up to this point in their careers, freeman does (+28.31 > +5.70 DYAR/G; 11.70 > 9.31 FFPts/G).

so, bottom line is that, if newton’s college career is over, i’d predict something between an average NFL backup and a middle-of-the-road NFL starter; basically in the 6-10 FFPts/G range.

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Jan 11, 2011 8:19 PM PST reply actions  

say it again

it will come true

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Jan 11, 2011 8:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Not the comment’s substance but the letters in different combinations to make words which then reflect a thought. This is the basic premise of language and it can be tricky for some. Sound out the words and you will get there

by mcwagner on Jan 11, 2011 8:48 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

My biggest concern

Is you can’t tell if this is his high point, or low. He hasn’t sustained that level of play for a long enough period of time for me. But I will say this, he is intriguing.

by hudd07 on Jan 11, 2011 8:30 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah...

i think that sample size is a real issue with guys like newton and sanchez…i mean, a “prediction model” like the lewin forecast or mine kind of assumes you’re not going to be getting some 14-start QB thrown into the equation. hell, even akili smith had 19 starts in college and ryan leaf had 24.

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Jan 11, 2011 8:34 PM PST up reply actions  

So what does it do if he sustained this level over 30 games for instance?

I think that’s the concern with the stats. Can he sustain it? If he put up these numbers over 30 starts, then it’s possible he would look like a LOT better prospect. So is the Cam Newton we saw, just the tip of the iceberg, and just the beginning of a great career, or just a blip and he is going to fall like JaMarcus.

by hudd07 on Jan 11, 2011 8:36 PM PST up reply actions  

right

exactly…the whole real-world reasoning behind why games started is so predictive is because there’s much more film out there on the guy, to the point where, if he’s had a crapload of starts in college AND has proven over those starts that he has an accurate arm AND gets taken in the 1st or 2nd round, he’s pretty much can’t miss. it’s all about the availability of evaluative information, both in a statistical and scouting sense.

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Jan 11, 2011 8:41 PM PST up reply actions  

So basically what you are saying is

Because he only has 14 starts, that the data is more flawed, thus the whole point is less valid? ;-)

by hudd07 on Jan 11, 2011 9:02 PM PST up reply actions  

more like...

you can’t draw strong conclusions from 14 starts because it’s incomplete information. it’s like knowing what the right decision is at an actual poker table vs. knowing what the right decision is watching poker on tv, where you get to see everyone’s cards. in other words, in 14 starts, newton probably hasn’t shown his cards, so it’s hard to know for sure what the right decision is.

p.s. i hope you play poker. otherwise that was a horrible analogy to use.

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Jan 11, 2011 9:07 PM PST up reply actions  

it's even a better analogy

because poker on tv only shows a tiny fraction of the actual game play

by smileyman on Jan 11, 2011 9:08 PM PST up reply actions  

that's...

2nd level poker thinking right there, smiley. nice!

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Jan 11, 2011 9:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd also like to add in players that lewin rated higher

I’m sure McCoy had a higher rating. Or what about the Hawaii QB that is struggling somewhere? Quinn? Clausen? I think that’s my concern, just because someone has a great college career and sustained it for a period of time, doesn’t mean they will be good in the pros, just like it doesn’t say Newton will suck, just because he didn’t sustain it for 30+ games. That’s the only problem with stats, is frankly, they could be wrong. They can only forecast with the numbers entered, but doesn’t mean it’s what is to come.

by hudd07 on Jan 11, 2011 8:38 PM PST up reply actions  

only...

applies to 1st- and 2nd-rounders.

mccoy was a 3rd-rounder. brennan (QB from hawaii) was a 6th-rounder.

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Jan 11, 2011 8:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I thought the only predictive model included 41 college starts with success

From Brian Billick’s book

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Jan 11, 2011 8:40 PM PST up reply actions  

that would make sense...

because i was thinking that when he drafted henne, who fits both the college GS and college comp% criteria.

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Jan 11, 2011 8:45 PM PST up reply actions  

both...

lewin’s DYAR/G model and my FFPts/G model are highly predictive…i mean “highly” in the context of how hard it is to predict anything in football.

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Jan 11, 2011 8:44 PM PST up reply actions  

i thinks its just foolish that people look at a model to determine if a player is going to do good

nobody knows that mans work ethic. Its kind of funny that a model only does 2 rounds because if it did ones in the later it would be proven wrong because i garauntee you that brady and hasselbeck would never have made it in the respectable range of the model

by GaNinersFan on Jan 11, 2011 8:47 PM PST up reply actions  

so your saying that there are exceptions to averages?

outliers even?!

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Jan 11, 2011 8:50 PM PST up reply actions  

WHAT YOU SAY

This changes everything!

Stolen from manraj7, with some additions:
1. Jake Locker QB Wasington 2. Jimmy Smith CB Colorado (or Best CB Available) 3. Christian Ballard DE Iowa 4a. Owen Marecic FB/ST Stanford 4b. Kai Forbath K UCLA 5. Running Back 6a. Defensive Lineman 6b. Guard or Center 7. Whatever's left!

by See Jay on Jan 11, 2011 8:55 PM PST up reply actions  

statistics

Players like Brady are outliers, exceptions to the norm. The model provides a guideline to follow while still giving respect to intangibles that cannot be measured. A top flight player with a drug problem and a bottom tier player that is very mature and hard-working can buck the model. Just realize that it is not likely. That is why interviewing is very important and the combine remains to be very important.

by mcwagner on Jan 11, 2011 8:54 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

thank you...

for taking care of that for me. my response wouldn’t have been so sedate.

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Jan 11, 2011 8:56 PM PST up reply actions  

You’re just saying that because you’re drunk

by mcwagner on Jan 11, 2011 9:03 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

haha...

nope…it’s not a niner gameday under nolan/singletary, nor is it a presser by nolan/singletary.

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Jan 11, 2011 9:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Good post.

Makes perfect sense, BTW.

Stolen from manraj7, with some additions:
1. Jake Locker QB Wasington 2. Jimmy Smith CB Colorado (or Best CB Available) 3. Christian Ballard DE Iowa 4a. Owen Marecic FB/ST Stanford 4b. Kai Forbath K UCLA 5. Running Back 6a. Defensive Lineman 6b. Guard or Center 7. Whatever's left!

by See Jay on Jan 11, 2011 8:31 PM PST up reply actions  

nope

there’s been so few highly-drafted QBs who are viable running threats coming out of college that NFL rush yds from a QB is not something anywhere near predictable yet. the vast majority — like 95% — probably either don’t get drafted in the first 2 rounds or they get converted into WRs, RBs, etc. off the top of my head, vick’s the only highly-drafted running QB that’s actually stayed a QB in the NFL and had any semblance of a career, no? i mean, i don’t know off the top of my head what kind of college running careers guys like young, cunningham, tarkenton, mcnair, mcnabb, etc. had because i’m not much of a college football fan. young was at byu, so he had to be throwing it every down. i seem to remember mcnair aired it out at alcorn state, and mcnabb aired it out at syracuse. but, honestly, i’m borderline clueless about college football.

by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Jan 11, 2011 9:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Brady Quinn put up good numbers at Notre Dame which I like—consistent improvement in the two most important categories, in my opinion: completion pct. and TD:int ratio. Both those stats improved dramatically over the course of his career at ND, and I actually think with harbaugh’s QB developing talent he could be phenomenal on the niners. He has never really had a chance to develop or prove himself, and I hardly think that the Browns coaching staff or structure or team for that matter is the right place for a rookie QB to thrive and learn… mangenius doesn’t seem like the type to breed great Qbs. Harbaugh seems like that guy, and best of all, the niners can get him for next to nothing, not have to roll the dice on the draft. I think Brady Quinn could be an answer.

Also, another Stanford head coach and Notre Dame QB combination isn’t the worst idea in the world.

by UVAcavalier on Jan 11, 2011 8:31 PM PST reply actions  

doubly awful

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Jan 11, 2011 8:41 PM PST up reply actions  

horrible..in the mold of christian ponder??

"Winning means being unafraid to lose." – Fran Tarkenton

by Nelow on Jan 11, 2011 8:49 PM PST up reply actions  

christian ponder

christian ponder
im telling u guys rite now. ponder will be drafted in the 2nd round by harbaugh and he will be a great fit for the system. Great accuracy, mechanics and footwork but could use a little refinement in his decision making. Harbaugh will coach him up well though. heres a link to his highlights

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCuu6UyO3B0

by ninerafficionado on Jan 11, 2011 9:16 PM PST up reply actions  

at least he was handsome

Steven Pinker would have predicted success.

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Jan 11, 2011 8:51 PM PST up reply actions  

christian ponder

im telling u guys rite now. ponder will be drafted in the 2nd round by harbaugh and he will be a great fit for the system. Great accuracy, mechanics and footwork but could use a little refinement in his decision making. Harbaugh will coach him up well though. heres a link to his highlights

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCuu6UyO3B0

by ninerafficionado on Jan 11, 2011 9:15 PM PST reply actions  

Cam Newton Is probably a QB Project

Not an immediate starter, as most are. Few pick it up really well at first. Bradford did pretty well though.

by wellnesscoach on Jan 11, 2011 9:49 PM PST reply actions  

For those not in the NFL loop, Cam Newton is a project qb, however look at the most come from behind qbs and they are typically pretty nimble, and yes Montanas mobility was underated. Furthermore, Newton is a project qb, but with a solid qb coach a first rounder is definitely worth it. Some team late in the first may take because the chances of him being there in the second late is not worth the risk if you have a plan to use him. No he not Mike Vick dynamic but it comes down to his drive.

Jealous cuz fiends got they work and complained.....

by rlott#42 on Jan 11, 2011 10:08 PM PST reply actions  

Sorry, but I don't see it.

To be successful and also sustain success in the NFL, you gotta be able to make throws from the pocket. Any NFL team can take away the running ability of the QB, so once that option is gone, the QB better be able pass the ball. With Cam, we really don’t know if he can make these throws b/c of the offensive system Auburn runs, and that’s the problem. To draft him, especially in the first round, you better know that this guy is capable of making accurate reads and delivering the passes on time. The last thing I want to hear is “this guy has potential” because what you see is what you’re most likely going to get, and with Cam, I haven’t seen anything that screams future NFL success.

Also, Cam isn’t even close to Vick. Vick has way more speed and elusiveness. Cam is more of a power runner, which will not bode well for him if he’s going to last in the NFL.

by Runz Plz on Jan 11, 2011 11:38 PM PST reply actions  

this

There is nothing that Newton does in the Auburn offense that translates to the NFL.

He has the physical tools and a good enough arm, but has shown no ability to read a defense or throw efficiently from the pocket. Auburn just doesn’t ask him to do those things, it’s all one read and take off. Maybe he can read a defense, nobody really knows. I do know that I wouldn’t gamble on it with a high pick. QB’s without QB skills are out of the league very quickly.

His name is Ydwin, your argument is invalid.

by microwave donut on Jan 12, 2011 12:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe

Vince Young 2.0

Jim Harbaugh is our future!
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by Effage on Jan 12, 2011 1:29 AM PST reply actions  

STATS:

He does have the highest completion % (67.1) and QB rating (188) of any of the QBs considered for the first round. People forget that Vick had a horrible completion % (mid-fifties) before being forced into a 2 year self-contemplation and ending up with a WEST COAST OFFENSE.

by J-House on Jan 12, 2011 2:06 AM PST reply actions  

Nope

He’s a spread option quarterback… c’mon people.

by thedly on Jan 12, 2011 3:32 AM PST reply actions  

I don't care who get as QB

As long as it translate into W’s. If Cam can play in the WCO and be successful. Bandwagon and true 49ers fans will enjoy success on the field and in Madden.

Here's money for a cab. Now entering sleep mode. beep beep beep zzzzzzzzz

by chriscream on Jan 12, 2011 5:00 AM PST reply actions  

Most overused current cliche

“Beast”

Everybody is a freekin beast. Let’s go to the next level, what’s tougher than a beast?

fire Moran Norris
hire Owen Marecic

by Jaxson876 on Jan 12, 2011 5:46 AM PST reply actions  

a MONSTER!!

Stolen from manraj7, with some additions:
1. Jake Locker QB Wasington 2. Jimmy Smith CB Colorado (or Best CB Available) 3. Christian Ballard DE Iowa 4a. Owen Marecic FB/ST Stanford 4b. Kai Forbath K UCLA 5. Running Back 6a. Defensive Lineman 6b. Guard or Center 7. Whatever's left!

by See Jay on Jan 12, 2011 7:23 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't think he will be much better than Tarvaris Jackson.

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].

by JoeCB1991 on Jan 12, 2011 6:53 AM PST reply actions  

Newton

I was very disappointed by Cam Newton’s performance. I was expecting the complete quarterback. All I saw was the athlete. If we go that route he will definitely need to sit 3-4 years watching our starter play, could be McNabb.

by Abe Lopez on Jan 12, 2011 9:38 AM PST reply actions  

not 1st round material IMO

From what I’ve seen from him this season(I have not seen all of his games but the majority), I think he is definitely a work in progress that should be taken in the second round at the earliest.

by sluma on Jan 12, 2011 11:37 AM PST reply actions  

No Thanks!

Another first round draft gamble? Forget it. Newton is a special talent but the niners can’t afford to “hope he develops” and waste a pick that could go to the secondary/defense.

(That goes for all first round QB’s…PASS!)

Luds

by Maze VxV on Jan 12, 2011 3:11 PM PST reply actions  

Did anyone watch the BCS Championship Game???

I have watched more Cam Newton games than I would like to admit and there are some troubling issues I have with him. Lets keep it to just the BCS game, 1.He completed 1 maybe 2 passes 15 yards or more and all other passes were screens and 5 yards dump offs. 2. He wont be able to run like he does in college in the pros. 3. He plays in the spread option can someone name a spread option QB that has been successful? 4. Because of his running threat in college he faced more single coverage than his whole NFL career will see. Any QB can look good against single coverage if they have a good o-line. He might be ok if he can play out of the shotgun somewhere but I don’t seen him as an under center QB. And lastly (this has nothing to do with football) he has Shrek ears, have you seen those things it creeps me out every time I see him.

by Derek R. on Jan 12, 2011 6:36 PM PST reply actions  

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