Cam Newton, The Performance, The Controversy, The Answer?
Last night some of you all may have seen Auburn quarterback Cameron Newton play in the BCS National Championship game. The game itself wasn't all too exciting until late in to the 4th quarter. In the beginning of the game, much of the focus was on the Heisman Trophy winning quarterback. Steadily throughout, the focus shifted to freshman running back Michael Dyer who ran for 143 yards and was literally less than a yard short from scoring the game-winning touchdown run in the final seconds.
In retrospect, Newton had a pretty decent game hitting most of his targets. There were a few very bad passes though, and his accuracy may be in question as it wound up below the 60% mark for the game. There was a pass in particular that really stood out to me as he missed a wide open target in the endzone when he short hopped it as the 2nd quarter closed out. Maybe it was a case of over-thinking it, or maybe not. Whatever the case, it definitely sent off red flags for some I am sure. He had 265 yards through the air, but much of that came on yards after the catch by the guys on the other end of those passes. He did manage to get the ball in the endzone for six on two occasions through the air. He also threw an interception and got lucky earlier in the game when Oregon's freshman cornerback, Cliff Harris would have had his first of two picks in the game but was ruled out by the officials.
There is no question that Newton is an incredible athlete. But there's much to fulfill if he is going to be an elite quarterback at the next level. We have seen Heisman Trophy winners at the next level and typically, for whatever reason, a majority of them never make it in to that "elite" category.
With that, the next question is; will Cam Newton be selected in the 1st round still? If so, where will he go? Who will he go to? Will he be an immediate starter?
All of those questions, lead me to another question and possibly more important to those who consider themselves 49ers Faithful; with Jim Harbaugh now officially the San Francisco 49ers new head coach, would Cam Newton be a guy that would be considered in the west-coast-offense? My thoughts on this lean towards the answer no. After being hammered after the Denver Broncos selected Tim Tebow as the 25th pick in last years draft, and my slamming of him in a vast majority of the off-season discussion, I have to now look at things with an anything is possible approach.
Whether or not Newton will have success at the next level will ultimately be up to him. There is no question that he has some of the tangibles, and intangibles of what it takes to be a good NFL quarterback. In fact, as of now, he has the opportunity to be better than a Josh Freeman or Ben Roethlisberger type of quarterback. Like Michael Vick has done, Newton with no question will need to turn his focus to the passing game as well as the study of it. With a pass first mentality, and a hard work ethic, Newton can be successful in the NFL. He has potential... but as they say, potential doesn't mean anything until one lives up to it.
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Voted maybe
He really just needs a good team situation and some time to develop as a passer. I don’t think he’ll ever be as dynamic as Mike Vick.
Stolen from manraj7, with some additions:
1. Jake Locker QB Wasington 2. Jimmy Smith CB Colorado (or Best CB Available) 3. Christian Ballard DE Iowa 4a. Owen Marecic FB/ST Stanford 4b. Kai Forbath K UCLA 5. Running Back 6a. Defensive Lineman 6b. Guard or Center 7. Whatever's left!
Bottom line
Newton is not worth wasting a 1at round pick
by ninersince94 on Jan 11, 2011 6:26 PM PST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
If we draft Cam Newton my wrists and my razor will be having a field day.
Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
My dream draft
1. Jake Locker QB UW 2. Jimmy Smith CB Colorado 3. Casey Mathews OLB Oregon. 4a. Owen Marecic FB/LB/ST Stanford 4b. Titus Young WR Boise 5. Alex Henery K Nebraska 6a.Clay Nurse DE/OLB Illinois (depending on combine/proday) 6b. Chase Beeler C Stanford 7a. BPA 7b. BPA
If we draft him higher than like the 5th round I might think about it
But he’s not gonna drop that far I don’t think. He’s very much a project and is not the type of QB we need with our QB situation so up in the air. I thought about it a little earlier and we almost need to draft a guy who could technically step in this coming season if needed. So ideally guys who are in pro type offensives schemes and not spread offenses, especially his that is quite run oriented, are what we should be looking for.
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5th round?
he’ll be drafted in the first and I wouldn’t be surprised to see him be the first QB taken
It wouldn't surprise me too much either
I just hope we’re not the ones that take him that soon!
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Let me elaborate on my headline
If we drafted him higher than the 5th I might think about the wrist/razor thing (underline might).
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Just don't make the mistake
like so many others do, up the arm not across the wrists..
2011 season can't come quick enough..
Definitely not in the first.
Not at all, if Harbaugh is going to run the WCO.
yeah
He’s not a fit in a WCO. I think he could be Vince Young 2.0 in Tennessee.
Stolen from manraj7, with some additions:
1. Jake Locker QB Wasington 2. Jimmy Smith CB Colorado (or Best CB Available) 3. Christian Ballard DE Iowa 4a. Owen Marecic FB/ST Stanford 4b. Kai Forbath K UCLA 5. Running Back 6a. Defensive Lineman 6b. Guard or Center 7. Whatever's left!
Vince Young runs more decisively than Cam
At this point, I'm pretty much done with surprises - Michael Crabtree
...
If he’s smart he will return to auburn for another year.
by ninersince94 on Jan 11, 2011 6:27 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Doubt it, since his eligibility could eventually come under fire.
Stolen from manraj7, with some additions:
1. Jake Locker QB Wasington 2. Jimmy Smith CB Colorado (or Best CB Available) 3. Christian Ballard DE Iowa 4a. Owen Marecic FB/ST Stanford 4b. Kai Forbath K UCLA 5. Running Back 6a. Defensive Lineman 6b. Guard or Center 7. Whatever's left!
Maybe he can catch
I think he would be a tough tight end.
by Mo9er on Jan 11, 2011 6:30 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I voted no
He doesn’t have the basic skills that he needs to even begin the learning process in the NFL
By the by I saw this photo from the si_vault twitter feed and thought it appropriate here.

If the niners draft him
I’m becoming a raiders fan.
thats uncalled for!
"The year we beat Miami in the Super Bowl, ... do you know how many defensive linemen were in our rotation? Nine, and we used them all quite a bit. We just wore the Dolphins out."
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by Iupati_like_its_1999 on Jan 11, 2011 6:55 PM PST up reply actions
I voted maybe
Kiper Jr. made a good point that he moves well with people around him and keeps the play alive – a la rothlsberger.
We are going to judge him on one pass in the end zone that actually went right through the guys arms, it didn’t “short hop”?
I saw a quick release with good accuracy on most of the throws and his patience stood out most of all. Vince Young or Rothlisberger are more apt comparisons than Russell.
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
my big thing
is how often he throws off his back feet. that’s something that’s going to be really hard to overcome. not saying it can’t be done, but I don’t see it happening
so does jay cutlet - constantly
and its his decisions that get him in trouble. So if that’s your biggest concern I think you should change your opinion.
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
and jay cutler throws more picks than favre
so his concern is pretty justified
I'm a Jay Cutler fan
But if he didn’t have that habit of throwing off his back feet constantly (and making some very poor decisions – which include throwing it off his back feet), then he would have been a lot more successful and a lot quicker in the NFL
its his decisions that make him throw off his back foot
its a knee-jerk reaction. Cam is calm as can be.
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
...because of a good defense.
The Bears offense isn’t exactly racking in stats.
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Stephen Curry to David Lee
(insert QB here) to Michael Crabtree
by Hoopers Judge on Jan 11, 2011 7:25 PM PST up reply actions
It's taken Cutler 5 seasons
to get to the point where he’s not killing his teams with his TD to INT ratios. That’s not a good investment at all
Again his team is doing quite well
and throwing off his back foot is not what makes him throw INT’s. In fact some of his best throws are off his back foot.
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
throwing off the back foot
is not a good idea. Sometimes a player gets lucky but it’s a recipe for disaster. Again, I’m not disputing that his team is doing well, or that he’s not had a fantastic year—I think he’s had one of his best years as a pro, but this is his 5th season.
You don’t spend a first round pick on a 5 season project
No.
He’s too “feast or famine” for my tastes. Someone who is consistent is what we want for the WCO.
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The New and Improved Bay Area Connections:
Madison Bumgarner to Gerald Buster "Jesus" Posey
Stephen Curry to David Lee
(insert QB here) to Michael Crabtree
by Hoopers Judge on Jan 11, 2011 7:26 PM PST up reply actions
funny
I wonder what everyone’s opinions were when the Broncos traded him. I’m pretty sure it was roundly criticized. Why? because Cutler is a good QB.
Even after Orton’s great season he is still considered < Cutler. Hmmmm
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
he's better than McNabb Orton
or the first two years any draft pick would be… So why not a 1st rounder?
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
He's not better than McNabb or Orton
Basically they’re all three about the same level
2010 stats
McNabb—275/472 58.3% completion 36.3 attempts per game 3,377 total yards, 7.2 ypa, 259.8 yards per game. 14 TDs, 15 INTs
Cutler—261/432 60.4% completion, 28.8 attempts per game 3,274 total yards, 7.6 ypa 218.3 yards per game, 23 tds 16INTs
Orton—293/498 58.8% completion, 38.3 attempts per game, 3,653 yards, 7.3 yards per attempt 281.0 yards per game, 20TDs to 9INTS
2009
McNabb—267/443 60.3% completion 31.6 attempts per game, 3,553 yards, 8.0 yards per attempt 253.8 yards per game, 22tds 10ints
Cutler—336/555 60.5% completion, 34.7 attempts per game, 3,666 yards, 6.6 yards per attempt, 229.1 ypg, 27TDs 26INTS
Orton—336/541 62.1%, 33.8 attempts per game, 3,802 yards, 7.0 ypa, 237.6 ypg, 21TDs, 12INTS
Basically the way I see it they’re actually all about the same skill wise at this stage in the careers, except that McNabb knows how to run a WCO to perfection while Orton and Cutler have never played in a WCO.
Plus Denver will want a 1st for Orton, Chicago won’t give up Cutler for any price and McNabb will probably be released or could be had for a 3rd rounder.
2010 Cutler is WAAAAYYY better
2009 was Cutler’s worst year and his first with a new team. That’s some shady pickins.
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
but 2010 cutler
is not waaaaay better than either McNabb or Orton. He’s way better than 2009 Cutler, but he’s about on par with McNabb and Orton.
Better TD/INT ratio than McNabb, worse than Orton, worse yardage totals than either of them, about the same yards per attempt.
Basically it’s a wash between those three QBs in my opinion, though Cutler probably has the best upside of them.
I still wouldn’t want him for a WCO though
9 more TD's?
oh and he didn’t get benched for Rex Grossman.
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
you really think that McNabb's benching had anything to do with his skill?
and nothing to do with an autocratic coach trying to establish that he’s the big man on campus and an offensive coordinator who took offense at the idea that his quarterback dare offer him ideas on how to do things differently?
no
but I think if you polled the NFL as to who was the better QB this past year it wouldn’t even be close.
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
yeah
but that’s due to the media framing the story as McNabbing having a horrible year. Once the story gets framed that way it’s hard for journalists to go against the grain. The only stat that’s signficantly worse this year than last for McNabb was his TD to INT ratio and I think that’s not an unreasonable thing to expect given the much worse level of talent (particularly offensive line) that he had to deal with in Washington compared to Philly.
I wanted McNabb to have a great year and make Philly pay
Grew up there and can’t stand the fans. Now I realize McNabb sucked it up and I ended up routing on the Eagles. How quickly it all changed.
Its also because Cutler’s team is winning. ;)
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
I find it even more ironic
because Kyle Shanahan himself siad that his offense took 2-3 years to learn, yet he was benching his QB mid-way through the season.
no doubt Shan looks like the dufis
but Grossman did play really well in his last game. That’s at least a little cause for pause.
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
Redskins fans don't like him
they call him good Rex and bad Rex because he can throw for a ton of yards but he’ll turn the ball over a ton as well.
Denver reportedly wants a 2nd for Orton
McNabb will probably be released but not until it’s too late for him to be effective somewhere else. Obviously Cutler isn’t up for grabs.
Stolen from manraj7, with some additions:
1. Jake Locker QB Wasington 2. Jimmy Smith CB Colorado (or Best CB Available) 3. Christian Ballard DE Iowa 4a. Owen Marecic FB/ST Stanford 4b. Kai Forbath K UCLA 5. Running Back 6a. Defensive Lineman 6b. Guard or Center 7. Whatever's left!
not into the regular season
He’s due a huuuuge roster bonus if he’s signed on Day 1 Regular Season.
Stolen from manraj7, with some additions:
1. Jake Locker QB Wasington 2. Jimmy Smith CB Colorado (or Best CB Available) 3. Christian Ballard DE Iowa 4a. Owen Marecic FB/ST Stanford 4b. Kai Forbath K UCLA 5. Running Back 6a. Defensive Lineman 6b. Guard or Center 7. Whatever's left!
Haynseworth situation was weird
I think that Mike Shanahan wanted to get rid of him early but knew nobody would offer anything, so he created this drama so he could suspend him for “conduct detrimental” and try to get some of that money back.
I guess
I doubt they pay $12.5m for a guy they don’t plan to play.
Stolen from manraj7, with some additions:
1. Jake Locker QB Wasington 2. Jimmy Smith CB Colorado (or Best CB Available) 3. Christian Ballard DE Iowa 4a. Owen Marecic FB/ST Stanford 4b. Kai Forbath K UCLA 5. Running Back 6a. Defensive Lineman 6b. Guard or Center 7. Whatever's left!
I know
but as you said above, it was a weird situation and as I say, once bitten, twice shy.
They’ll shop him around but I doubt anyone takes him as a trade since his contract is pretty ridiculous.
Stolen from manraj7, with some additions:
1. Jake Locker QB Wasington 2. Jimmy Smith CB Colorado (or Best CB Available) 3. Christian Ballard DE Iowa 4a. Owen Marecic FB/ST Stanford 4b. Kai Forbath K UCLA 5. Running Back 6a. Defensive Lineman 6b. Guard or Center 7. Whatever's left!
the Cutler trade was unnecessary
We criticize it because McDaniels tried to replace an established QB and didn’t get who he wanted. He then lied to Cutler and caused a media storm. The Broncos got lucky getting Orton when Cutler would have held out until Denver cut him.
by mcwagner on Jan 11, 2011 8:39 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Cutler
No way Cutler is worth a 1st round pick, I still remember last year when he played the 49ers, In that game he looked pretty sad, He has improved this year some, But still not worth even a 5th or higher round pick maybe,
Cutler's easily worth a first round pick
I don’t think he’s a fit for the 49ers, but he’s easily a first rounder.
Don’t downgrade his value just because you don’t like him
not worth a 5th
and you want people to take you seriously.
Note to self: ignore posts from “DaHawn-49er”
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
goat
I’m with you here. I’ve heard him compared to Ben Rothlisberger more than anyone else.
I think he is good. He has shown he can do everything that’s needed of him, my only concern is he has only done it for one year.
Guys listen, don’t judge him on that one pass. Don’t judge him on his first game after ONE MONTH off. That’s like judging a guy on the first game of the season before they are in rythm. I’ve read already a bunch of articles saying that this game was sloppy, and everyone was rusty. Had this game been a week after the regular season, you would have seen a 45-40 game.
MORE THAN A MONTH BETWEEN GAMES, you don’t htink that affects timing at all? Nerves?
A better comparison is Josh Freeman
by EcERyda69 on Jan 11, 2011 9:08 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
love that low incomplete pass to the wide open receiver in the end zone
bcs championship really highlighted he’s just a big qb. great for 3rd and one, awful for the nfl
whoever Harbaugh chooses...
whether f/a or trade or draft will fit his system better than anyone we choose, cam or locker or mallet or whomever.
by wtlichens on Jan 11, 2011 6:51 PM PST via mobile reply actions
how so?
The perfect WCO QBs are guys like: Joe Montana, Steve Young and Donovan McNabb. Mallett doesn’t share much of his skill set with them. I think Locker would be the ideal QB in this year’s draft to groom into a WCO team. But I’d definitely see if Tampa would part with Josh Johnson. He’d be a great fit with Harbaugh, mostly because he was already a great fit while starring at USD under Harbaugh
by monkey spanker on Jan 11, 2011 7:07 PM PST up reply actions
The whole WCO QB prototype thing reminds of the argument in baseball for a good “leadoff” guy. That’s the kind of thinking that gets you the Dave Roberts of quarterbacks.
The difference between having a good quarterback who doesn’t perfectly fit your scheme and a bad quarterback who does is that in one of those scenarios you have a good quarterback.
Get the best quarterback. The best. Not the best fit. The best. Plain as that.
If there’s a tie between the two best quarterbacks, then pick the one who fits your scheme better. Scheme is a tiebreaker. Talent comes first.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 11, 2011 7:38 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
McNabb/Johnson
I like to see McNabb / Johnson as 49ers qb, As for drafting a qb goes, They can hold off and get more of what they need and wait, Maybe Luck will be there in 2012.
Locker is a better fit imo
I know his accuracy has been down, but that’s mostly due to a bad o-line and bad WRs.
the reason we wanted harbagh is that he made/knows qb's
whomever he decides to make QB I will back 100 percent.
by wtlichens on Jan 11, 2011 7:29 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Locker is our future
"The year we beat Miami in the Super Bowl, ... do you know how many defensive linemen were in our rotation? Nine, and we used them all quite a bit. We just wore the Dolphins out."
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by Iupati_like_its_1999 on Jan 11, 2011 7:01 PM PST reply actions
Jeeeeeeeeeez
He should not even be considered for a 1st roun pick. This is Vince Young, Dennis Dixon, Tyrod Taylor. Not quality NFL quarterbacks. NFL is a passing leauge where the QB needs to have accuracy and make good decisions all the time not just once in a while.
NO.
Maybe in the 5th.
QUESTION: When is our QB going to answer questions like "You only threw 4 TD's today. What's wrong with the offense?"
ANSWER: When Andrew Luck ditches the draft and we sign him as an undrafted free agent!!!
Those comparisons are way off.
He is inaccurate, but he is much bigger than Dixon or Taylor and has a much more natural release than Young. That said, I’m sure most teams would take Young before the 5th round considering how many wins he has during his career. I don’t like his character issues, but without them I wouldn’t mind having him if the system fit.
And to Vince Young’s credit, he actually does seem to be a talented quarterback. He’s just nuts.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 11, 2011 8:16 PM PST up reply actions
I'm curious
It seems like alot of people have this underlying hatred for Cam, could it be because ofthe hype that follows him or is there more reasons?
And I thought you guys believed in Harbaugh?
If Harbaugh drafts him, he probably sees something he can mold into a potential franchise guy. Harbaugh knows he has time and he knows talent.
Would you honestly be upset if Harbaugh wanted to take a chance on him?
Life is like a Harbaughx of chocolates...BOOM!
No
But only because it’s Harbaugh. That said, I just can’t see how with our current QB situation (or lack thereof) is going to prompt Harbaugh to draft him. We need someone who, if need be, will be able to do a decent job of running a pro-style, WCO starting sometime next season. Going in, it just looks like he’s not it.
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I agree that he might not be ready...
but I feel if Harbaugh does take a chance he’ll get someone else to start for maybe 2 years and mold Cam to potential greatness.
It might seem like a far fetched idea because it is haha.
I just figured I’d throw the thought out there for speculation and try to understand why people hate Cam so much.
Life is like a Harbaughx of chocolates...BOOM!
by TheEliTorres on Jan 11, 2011 7:39 PM PST up reply actions
Possibly
It sounds really cynical, but I think it’s going to take more than two years. If you look at Newton’s entire college career, he only played one year where he put up any kind of viable numbers whatsoever. Granted that’s because he was playing behind some guy named Tebow at FLA for a while before he went to Auburn. But the bottom line is he’s very raw. And he’s going to have a lot of work to do before he can become a regular starter in the league. So if Harb is willing to give it a go, yeah he would be an excellent guy to mold Cam into an NFL QB. But not at the cost of a 1st rounder.
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I get you
your argument has molded my mind about him a little and for that I commend you haha.
I do like your reasonings though.
Life is like a Harbaughx of chocolates...BOOM!
by TheEliTorres on Jan 11, 2011 7:58 PM PST up reply actions
I heard that Tebow guy wasn't a very good QB.
Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
My dream draft
1. Jake Locker QB UW 2. Jimmy Smith CB Colorado 3. Casey Mathews OLB Oregon. 4a. Owen Marecic FB/LB/ST Stanford 4b. Titus Young WR Boise 5. Alex Henery K Nebraska 6a.Clay Nurse DE/OLB Illinois (depending on combine/proday) 6b. Chase Beeler C Stanford 7a. BPA 7b. BPA
Bingo , not at the cost of ot a 1st round pick ...!!
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No I believe in Harbaugh
I just don’t like him. Character issues cannot overcome the biggest of arms.
Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
My dream draft
1. Jake Locker QB UW 2. Jimmy Smith CB Colorado 3. Casey Mathews OLB Oregon. 4a. Owen Marecic FB/LB/ST Stanford 4b. Titus Young WR Boise 5. Alex Henery K Nebraska 6a.Clay Nurse DE/OLB Illinois (depending on combine/proday) 6b. Chase Beeler C Stanford 7a. BPA 7b. BPA
As far as character issues
Haven’t a ton, for the most part, of successful NFL players been tagged with the term “character issues” and in some way or another turned it around?
It seems like some see a partial character issues as a black plague that would take years and years to even partially overturn. But look at Vernon Davis all it took was one coaching decision and I’m sure a few talks to turn his stuff around.
I’m not saying Cam is going to be a quick fix or a fix at all, I’m just saying the whole questionable character thing isn’t enough of an excuse that he’s not committed to a team and committed to winning.
Life is like a Harbaughx of chocolates...BOOM!
by TheEliTorres on Jan 11, 2011 8:11 PM PST up reply actions
Not all of the time.
Its plausible but in the QB character issues explode 10 fold. The QB is supposed to be the leader. His word should be final on the field. If people think that he is a bad dude with poor judgement why should they listen to him?
Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
My dream draft
1. Jake Locker QB UW 2. Jimmy Smith CB Colorado 3. Casey Mathews OLB Oregon. 4a. Owen Marecic FB/LB/ST Stanford 4b. Titus Young WR Boise 5. Alex Henery K Nebraska 6a.Clay Nurse DE/OLB Illinois (depending on combine/proday) 6b. Chase Beeler C Stanford 7a. BPA 7b. BPA
No
We’ve seen this type of QB come along in a draft many times before. It never works.
It's Whore-baugh, remember?
Honestly, I've never thought of Vick as a gimmick QB
You bring up a good point he does sorta fit the profile.
It's Whore-baugh, remember?
Well I was mostly being sarcastic
because you’re right in that it mostly doesn’t work, bu9t someone will bring up Vick’s name so I thought I’d beat them to the punch.
Thing is I thought Vick had some QB skills and was convinced he was the fastest guy on any football, NFL or college.
Cam Newton can throw a few passes and was used more as fullback in college like Tebow, won’t be effective in the NFL.
It's Whore-baugh, remember?
Vick in College
54% completion percentage
9tds to 7ints in 2000
And you “thought Vick had some QB skills”.
Cam in 2010
30 TD’s 7 ints and 66% completion percentage
How in the world can you make that argument. Hindsight 20/20???
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
Cause I watched a few of his games
He had a pretty good one in a National Championship game against Miami. That Miami who produced something like 18 1st round picks in two drafts. That defense was full of NFL talent and Vick lit them up: feet and arm.
It's Whore-baugh, remember?
so one game sample trumps a year of
not even close stats? You are really reaching.
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
What about Tim Tebow.
It’s a small sample size but it may work there.
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but newton is no vick!
There is only one michael vick and it’s unfair to compare all these new quarterbacks to him. Vick is the exception because he was a far better athlete than any of these guys. Any new run first QB coming out can only be fairly compared to Vince Young or Troy Smith. Those types of quarterback because Vick is on a completely different level by himself. I’d say Vince Young has been the most successful quarterback in the league to come from that type of skillset and hey if you think VY was worth a top 5 pick then Cam might be your guy but if you think VY was not worth a top 5 pick then cam isn’t your guy. And i’m assuming you’re being sarcastic so this is for all those people who do think cam is the next vick :)
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by afrikabamboodle on Jan 11, 2011 7:46 PM PST up reply actions
Vince Young has also been successful.
If not for his work ethic and character issues I think he would be considered by many an above average QB if only for how often he won.
Me neither.
I don’t want him on the Niners at this point because he is off his rocker, but in the right system I could absolutely see him having a Vick like resurrection (to a leser degree).
Freeman was a drop back and read QB in college. Locker runs a lot too but he again he is asked to drop back and read a series of routes. Watching Cam Newton it was the same reads every play: handoff (yes/no), check to see if QB bit on play fake than pass (yes/no), handoff (yes/no) if still no than run it yourself.
It's Whore-baugh, remember?
but he's big and black
and its pretty obvious that is why people don’t think hes a good passing QB
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
Well if he could pass we could pretty obviously over look it
He’s Michael Robinson but 6" inches taller.
It's Whore-baugh, remember?
thats right
but he did attempt one for the Seahawks this year. That’s one more than we ever attempted with him.
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
Ok, some please show the poll and comments to his guy
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It's Whore-baugh, remember?
No way HarBaalke drafts Cam
Harbaugh seeks “Athletic instincts, accuracy, timing, decision making, leadership, intelligence,..” in QB, not just size and athleticism.
I can see Niners trading down if they can’t get value.
I don't see them trading down
They will probably either take a QB or Prince Amukamara in the 1st. I haven’t seen/heard it talked about too much, but the best QB that would fit just about all of those attributes is Christian Ponder. Anyone that hasn’t read or seen a bio on him needs to do so.
Don't mind me, I'm on a roller coaster. . .
www.twitter.com/@yougomango
egg salad
Ponder Is an egg.
"Niners Are Back!!!"
by mississippininer on Jan 11, 2011 10:08 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Maybe an egghead?
The guy apparently has a masters & is currently studying for his doctorate.
Don't mind me, I'm on a roller coaster. . .
www.twitter.com/@yougomango
by Mangoman on Jan 11, 2011 10:32 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
He needs to stick to school and outside ventures.
Football is not for him.
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
Yeah that would be my main concern
That list didn’t include durability. Apparenlty he can’t stay healthy for a full season. It’s a bit difficult to build a QBOTF based on that.
Don't mind me, I'm on a roller coaster. . .
www.twitter.com/@yougomango
so every once in a while when i read about cam
I see someone mention his intangibles and leadership skills. When I think of Cam all I really think about is the guy who stole a laptop and had to transfer to another school and also the guy who always has a goofy smile on his face and laughing around the sideline having fun. Where is the leadership that he has displayed that people are talking about? I’m not trying to bash him but I am really trying to understand how he has shown to be a leader and capable of being a hard worker in the NFL?
Niners, Lakers and the Warriors... when Lakers have the night off.
by afrikabamboodle on Jan 11, 2011 7:53 PM PST reply actions
As far as laughing goes
i would be laughing and having fun to if was undefeated and people kept telling me that me and my team were virtually unstoppable.
Life is like a Harbaughx of chocolates...BOOM!
by TheEliTorres on Jan 11, 2011 8:25 PM PST up reply actions
yes i'm not faulting him for having fun
I actually like that about him. But all I have seen him do is have fun which is absolutely fine. However my question is if all these claims about his intangibles and leadership is credible because I do not know what his work ethic is like in practice etc. etc.
Niners, Lakers and the Warriors... when Lakers have the night off.
by afrikabamboodle on Jan 11, 2011 8:50 PM PST up reply actions
I hate newton
because I hate Auburn and I’m certain he took the money. That said, there was an extra ton of pressure tossed on him by that whole ordeal, and he appeared to not only survive it but to thrive on it. I think he may turn out to be a media whore, but I think he’s probably pretty mentally tough. Now, the niners must never ever take him. Ever.
PLEASE get McFadden out of Oakland. The pain is more than I can handle. Oakland, where careers go to die.
No money was ever exchanged.
Why would he become a media whore? Because he’s in the spotlight because he is the best player in college?
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
"no money was ever exchanged..."
not buying it, and the media whore thing is my impression, just based on the way he plays the camera on the sideline. He’s an insane athlete. I can see him doing well at a number of postions. I am near certain that at some point in the future it will come out that money changed hands. That aside, I think it is too soon. He needs to cook another year. put up similar numbers next year and I’ll buy in more. Like I said, I hate Auburn.
PLEASE get McFadden out of Oakland. The pain is more than I can handle. Oakland, where careers go to die.
lol "not buying it"
when money is exchanged there are these things called records
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
assuming that the NCAA actually wanted to know the truth
and the banks coooperated. The wouldn’t have to since teh NCAA has no power to subpoena. All they can do is ask people questions and if everybody involved stays quiet nothing gets out.
Personally I don’t think he took any money, but I don’t doubt he shopped Cam. How serious was he? who knows
Its not just the NCAA asking questions though
Its every member of the media. If someone is to suddenly acquire a lot of money there are ways to find out.
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
good point on the media
they’d be the ones to do the real investigating, especially with a story of this magnitude
the first one to make a discovery
would be getting a serious promotion
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
49ers please no
newton is a mut this guy sucks
ummm
Yeah, I don’t think there’s any place for this here.
Stolen from manraj7, with some additions:
1. Jake Locker QB Wasington 2. Jimmy Smith CB Colorado (or Best CB Available) 3. Christian Ballard DE Iowa 4a. Owen Marecic FB/ST Stanford 4b. Kai Forbath K UCLA 5. Running Back 6a. Defensive Lineman 6b. Guard or Center 7. Whatever's left!
seems so
Stolen from manraj7, with some additions:
1. Jake Locker QB Wasington 2. Jimmy Smith CB Colorado (or Best CB Available) 3. Christian Ballard DE Iowa 4a. Owen Marecic FB/ST Stanford 4b. Kai Forbath K UCLA 5. Running Back 6a. Defensive Lineman 6b. Guard or Center 7. Whatever's left!
We should not get cam newton
we do not need a qb that is going to run when he gets paniced. during the bcs game, if cam had any type of trouble he would look to run. he would not move in the pocket or shift himself after the snap to prepare himself for rush. That is the type of qb that we need. I dont mind a qb that decides to run when all options are done, but most of the time a qb can either slide in the pocket or have a pre-snap movement ala brady, rodgers, or manning
From what I seen lastnight
He has great pocket presence.
by EcERyda69 on Jan 11, 2011 9:18 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
steve young vs cam newton
Niners fans remember how JerryRice did not like young because he would take off and run before jerry could get open? Well eventually Steve learned how to be a WCO QB. All I am saying is todays defense are bigger faster stronger and smarter than days of young to rice. We need a big strong but trained on footwork
"Niners Are Back!!!"
by mississippininer on Jan 11, 2011 10:18 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Newton
I’m not a fan of “dual threat” qb’s for the simple reason that they tend to have happy feet.McNabb has been good Vick was excellent this year,but name me dual threat qb that could be considered and elite qb.I’m all for a moblie qb who isn’t lol,but i want a guy that will go through his progressions before running off.
by Daniel Wilkinson on Jan 11, 2011 8:05 PM PST reply actions
Locker is a lot more like Young than Newton is.
Stolen from manraj7, with some additions:
1. Jake Locker QB Wasington 2. Jimmy Smith CB Colorado (or Best CB Available) 3. Christian Ballard DE Iowa 4a. Owen Marecic FB/ST Stanford 4b. Kai Forbath K UCLA 5. Running Back 6a. Defensive Lineman 6b. Guard or Center 7. Whatever's left!
Fran Tarkenton.
It looks like dancing frog in the sky because it's green.
by howtheyscored on Jan 11, 2011 8:21 PM PST up reply actions
Good one.
It looks like dancing frog in the sky because it's green.
by howtheyscored on Jan 11, 2011 8:23 PM PST up reply actions
Warren Moon: Not really a runner.
It looks like dancing frog in the sky because it's green.
by howtheyscored on Jan 11, 2011 8:28 PM PST up reply actions
but but
he’s black!!!
PLEASE get McFadden out of Oakland. The pain is more than I can handle. Oakland, where careers go to die.
How about Rodney Peete
Since we are on the subject of Afro American QB’s.. trying to be PC here… All that comes to mind is his HOT wife when I think of him..
2011 season can't come quick enough..
warren moon...
getting into “athletic QB” territory. i was going to say doug williams, but then i realized we were just sitting here naming black QBs…for some reason.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Jan 11, 2011 8:29 PM PST up reply actions
hence...
steve grogan down below…
can throw in rich gannon too…SB appearance, 529 rush yards in 2000.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Jan 11, 2011 8:31 PM PST up reply actions
stat master
plus actual masters in sport psych. :-)
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Jan 11, 2011 8:35 PM PST up reply actions
I'm the reverse
Psychology and MA in Phil of Mind with a strong background in stats.
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
i'm psych BS...
sport psych MS…masters and doctoral work (analyzing study data plus 12 credits in evaluation and research methodology) gave me strong stats background.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Jan 11, 2011 8:38 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah yeah BS lol
I wish I would have had the opportunity. I didn’t really figure out what I liked until it was too late.
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
i figured out...
what i liked when i was about 14…girls.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Jan 11, 2011 8:49 PM PST up reply actions
haha...
i think there might be an interaction effect at work between those independent variables. just saying.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Jan 11, 2011 8:55 PM PST up reply actions
i think...
it’s a “3-way interaction” so to speak:
when knowledge is high, partying is high, and girls are high…well, ok, forget it, “girls are high” is a thought-stopper.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Jan 11, 2011 8:59 PM PST up reply actions
I think Neuroeconomics
has the best potential for novel methods of evaluating draft prospect. Simulated game situations while measuring attention arousal and throwing in various kinds of “interference”.
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
attention
is a huge subfield in sport psych.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Jan 11, 2011 8:38 PM PST up reply actions
I think it would be cool to form an independant team of sport psych evaluators
Like a firm. Hook potential draftees up to eeg, fmri, and do simulated and real situational stuff. I think you could pull off eeg while actually running around and playing football.
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
you can
they actually have portable eeg machines now. they hooke up about a million wires to your head and give you a little pack that stores the data recorded as you move around. Later they print it off or downloaded it to their machines for intepretation.
Lets buy one and test it out
got a couple hundred grand? lol
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
I've seen one in action
on my wife. she was having mini-seizures during the day and they could never replicated them in the hospital so they hooked her up with one of those for a couple days.
interesting
There’s a new possibility of using TMS to treat asynchronous brain activity that can lead to seizures. But its only available outside the US.
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
i'm almost positive...
that there are already firms around that do that kind of thing…
what i hope is that one day, they incorporate all that stuff into the combine, rather than seeing if a guy can double-dutch for more than 5 seconds.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Jan 11, 2011 8:53 PM PST up reply actions
thats what I'm saying
When its really applicable we will hear about it. But why not try to be the first?
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
how about...
you pack a few EEGs, EMGs, simulators, eye-trackers, GSR sensors, and HR monitors, and meet me in indianapolis on 2/22/11.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Jan 11, 2011 9:03 PM PST up reply actions
Not at the end of his career
but he averaged 4-5 rushes per game. He was not the runner that Vick is, but nobody is, or has been that kind of runner. Warren Moon was one of the first athletic QBs. One year he had 70 attempts, other years 5 rushing TDs. So again, to say that he was Vick would be incorrect, but to say he didn’t use his legs to hurt you, is wrong.
He ran for half as many yards as John Elway in his career. That’s a big difference. He may have been an athletic guy, but the guys we’re talking about are not your “athletic QB” types. We’re talking about guys who put up a lot of yards on the ground. Warren Moon was great, but he just isn’t in the same class there.
It looks like dancing frog in the sky because it's green.
by howtheyscored on Jan 11, 2011 11:27 PM PST up reply actions
Unless my search skillz are off, Cunningham still has the most rushing yards of any QB in history. Then Vick. Then Young. Then Tarkenton. Then McNair. Then a guy called Cliff Battles. Then John Elway. Then McNabb. Then a guy called Tobin Rote.
It looks like dancing frog in the sky because it's green.
by howtheyscored on Jan 11, 2011 8:27 PM PST up reply actions
And I don’t know why Battles is even on that list. He wasn’t a quarterback. Bad pro-football-reference.com. Bad.
It looks like dancing frog in the sky because it's green.
by howtheyscored on Jan 11, 2011 8:31 PM PST up reply actions
I think Elway is a guy who would never would have guessed. But he really did run a lot.
It looks like dancing frog in the sky because it's green.
by howtheyscored on Jan 11, 2011 8:32 PM PST up reply actions
i was thinking about him...
when i was trying to fulfill the “grogan rule” about not getting too racially one-sided here.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Jan 11, 2011 8:35 PM PST up reply actions
Randall Cunningham bootlegs in Tecmo Bowl still irritate me.
by Grant Brisbee on Jan 11, 2011 8:32 PM PST up reply actions
tecmo...
just had a flash back of getting beat up by my sisters 14 year old boyfriend because I crushed him, and rubbed it in. I don’t recall the score, but it was brutal. I was 8.
PLEASE get McFadden out of Oakland. The pain is more than I can handle. Oakland, where careers go to die.
wrong
I was 10. my memory sucks.
PLEASE get McFadden out of Oakland. The pain is more than I can handle. Oakland, where careers go to die.
pretty brutal
he hit me in the face with my NES advantage. Gave me a black eye. My mom made my sister dump him. And recounting this story makes me sound 16. I’m not.
PLEASE get McFadden out of Oakland. The pain is more than I can handle. Oakland, where careers go to die.
32
nicely done sir, hats off.
PLEASE get McFadden out of Oakland. The pain is more than I can handle. Oakland, where careers go to die.
32
as well…33 in 9 days.
of course, i’d have to guess the 25-34 crowd is overrepresented on here.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Jan 11, 2011 8:47 PM PST up reply actions
Hey smileyman..can we get a thread on..
QB prospects? I really like Blaine Gabbert btw..i hope we take him..check out this video guys..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5nGYHLeB2g ..he looks pretty good out there..even if his wrs were dropping passes.
"Winning means being unafraid to lose." – Fran Tarkenton
daunte culpepper
…probably the 3rd best passing season of all time. ran a lot before the knee inj.
also, steve mcnair. made super bowl, MVP in 2003.
oh, and steve grogan…made super bowl & ran for 539 yds in 1978. jk ;-)
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Jan 11, 2011 8:28 PM PST up reply actions
I have a feeling that JH has a QB he likes and will get in the 3rd or 4th round
And that they will get a veteran for a couple of years
fire Moran Norris
hire Owen Marecic
what the stats say...
per the lewin career forecast for 1st- or 2nd-round QBs based on newton’s 14 career starts & 65.4% career completion percentage:
DYAR/G = -232.16 + (2.75 × 14) + (250.31 × .654) = -29.96
“-29.96” means that, as of right now, he’s projected to gain 30 fewer yards per game over the course of his NFL career than the average backup QB. for comparison, alex smith’s career DYAR/G is -27.50.
if you go by my fan-friendlier lewin forecast, you get the following expected fantasy football points per game over the course of his career:
FFLPts/G = -16.34 + (.23 × 14) + (29.26 × .654) = 6.02
or, if you go by my fan-friendliest, dumbed-down lewin forecast, there’s about a 90-95% chance that newton won’t average 10 fantasy points per game during his NFL career.
for one more comparison, newton’s college stats are incredibly similar to mark sanchez’s (15 GS, 64.3% comp%), and the lewin career forecast wasn’t very kind to him, predicting an NFL career DYAR/G of – 30.22. as it stands right now, sanchez’s actual career DYAR/G is +5.70, and he’s obviously only going to get better. in terms of FFPts/G, my lewin-esque model predicted 5.94, and he currently sits at 9.31. again, an underestimation. however, i will say that it’s interesting that my dumbed-down model is, as of 1/11/11 correct in predicting less than 10 FFPts/G for sanchez. :-)
of course, before you go agreeing with me that the lewin forecast isn’t working for recent batches of college QBs who didn’t meet the “37 starts, 60% comp% standard,” i should point out that both the lewin forecast and my fantasy football forecast predicted josh freeman (35 GS, 59.1% in college) to have better career NFL stats than sanchez. up to this point in their careers, freeman does (+28.31 > +5.70 DYAR/G; 11.70 > 9.31 FFPts/G).
so, bottom line is that, if newton’s college career is over, i’d predict something between an average NFL backup and a middle-of-the-road NFL starter; basically in the 6-10 FFPts/G range.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Jan 11, 2011 8:19 PM PST reply actions
Not the comment’s substance but the letters in different combinations to make words which then reflect a thought. This is the basic premise of language and it can be tricky for some. Sound out the words and you will get there
by mcwagner on Jan 11, 2011 8:48 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
My biggest concern
Is you can’t tell if this is his high point, or low. He hasn’t sustained that level of play for a long enough period of time for me. But I will say this, he is intriguing.
yeah...
i think that sample size is a real issue with guys like newton and sanchez…i mean, a “prediction model” like the lewin forecast or mine kind of assumes you’re not going to be getting some 14-start QB thrown into the equation. hell, even akili smith had 19 starts in college and ryan leaf had 24.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Jan 11, 2011 8:34 PM PST up reply actions
So what does it do if he sustained this level over 30 games for instance?
I think that’s the concern with the stats. Can he sustain it? If he put up these numbers over 30 starts, then it’s possible he would look like a LOT better prospect. So is the Cam Newton we saw, just the tip of the iceberg, and just the beginning of a great career, or just a blip and he is going to fall like JaMarcus.
right
exactly…the whole real-world reasoning behind why games started is so predictive is because there’s much more film out there on the guy, to the point where, if he’s had a crapload of starts in college AND has proven over those starts that he has an accurate arm AND gets taken in the 1st or 2nd round, he’s pretty much can’t miss. it’s all about the availability of evaluative information, both in a statistical and scouting sense.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Jan 11, 2011 8:41 PM PST up reply actions
So basically what you are saying is
Because he only has 14 starts, that the data is more flawed, thus the whole point is less valid? ;-)
more like...
you can’t draw strong conclusions from 14 starts because it’s incomplete information. it’s like knowing what the right decision is at an actual poker table vs. knowing what the right decision is watching poker on tv, where you get to see everyone’s cards. in other words, in 14 starts, newton probably hasn’t shown his cards, so it’s hard to know for sure what the right decision is.
p.s. i hope you play poker. otherwise that was a horrible analogy to use.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Jan 11, 2011 9:07 PM PST up reply actions
that's...
2nd level poker thinking right there, smiley. nice!
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Jan 11, 2011 9:08 PM PST up reply actions
I'd also like to add in players that lewin rated higher
I’m sure McCoy had a higher rating. Or what about the Hawaii QB that is struggling somewhere? Quinn? Clausen? I think that’s my concern, just because someone has a great college career and sustained it for a period of time, doesn’t mean they will be good in the pros, just like it doesn’t say Newton will suck, just because he didn’t sustain it for 30+ games. That’s the only problem with stats, is frankly, they could be wrong. They can only forecast with the numbers entered, but doesn’t mean it’s what is to come.
only...
applies to 1st- and 2nd-rounders.
mccoy was a 3rd-rounder. brennan (QB from hawaii) was a 6th-rounder.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Jan 11, 2011 8:43 PM PST up reply actions
I thought the only predictive model included 41 college starts with success
From Brian Billick’s book
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
that would make sense...
because i was thinking that when he drafted henne, who fits both the college GS and college comp% criteria.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Jan 11, 2011 8:45 PM PST up reply actions
both...
lewin’s DYAR/G model and my FFPts/G model are highly predictive…i mean “highly” in the context of how hard it is to predict anything in football.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Jan 11, 2011 8:44 PM PST up reply actions
i thinks its just foolish that people look at a model to determine if a player is going to do good
nobody knows that mans work ethic. Its kind of funny that a model only does 2 rounds because if it did ones in the later it would be proven wrong because i garauntee you that brady and hasselbeck would never have made it in the respectable range of the model
so your saying that there are exceptions to averages?
outliers even?!
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
WHAT YOU SAY
This changes everything!
Stolen from manraj7, with some additions:
1. Jake Locker QB Wasington 2. Jimmy Smith CB Colorado (or Best CB Available) 3. Christian Ballard DE Iowa 4a. Owen Marecic FB/ST Stanford 4b. Kai Forbath K UCLA 5. Running Back 6a. Defensive Lineman 6b. Guard or Center 7. Whatever's left!
statistics
Players like Brady are outliers, exceptions to the norm. The model provides a guideline to follow while still giving respect to intangibles that cannot be measured. A top flight player with a drug problem and a bottom tier player that is very mature and hard-working can buck the model. Just realize that it is not likely. That is why interviewing is very important and the combine remains to be very important.
by mcwagner on Jan 11, 2011 8:54 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
thank you...
for taking care of that for me. my response wouldn’t have been so sedate.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Jan 11, 2011 8:56 PM PST up reply actions
You’re just saying that because you’re drunk
by mcwagner on Jan 11, 2011 9:03 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
haha...
nope…it’s not a niner gameday under nolan/singletary, nor is it a presser by nolan/singletary.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Jan 11, 2011 9:08 PM PST up reply actions
Good post.
Makes perfect sense, BTW.
Stolen from manraj7, with some additions:
1. Jake Locker QB Wasington 2. Jimmy Smith CB Colorado (or Best CB Available) 3. Christian Ballard DE Iowa 4a. Owen Marecic FB/ST Stanford 4b. Kai Forbath K UCLA 5. Running Back 6a. Defensive Lineman 6b. Guard or Center 7. Whatever's left!
nope
there’s been so few highly-drafted QBs who are viable running threats coming out of college that NFL rush yds from a QB is not something anywhere near predictable yet. the vast majority — like 95% — probably either don’t get drafted in the first 2 rounds or they get converted into WRs, RBs, etc. off the top of my head, vick’s the only highly-drafted running QB that’s actually stayed a QB in the NFL and had any semblance of a career, no? i mean, i don’t know off the top of my head what kind of college running careers guys like young, cunningham, tarkenton, mcnair, mcnabb, etc. had because i’m not much of a college football fan. young was at byu, so he had to be throwing it every down. i seem to remember mcnair aired it out at alcorn state, and mcnabb aired it out at syracuse. but, honestly, i’m borderline clueless about college football.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Jan 11, 2011 9:57 PM PST up reply actions
first question...
where’s he supposed to be drafted?
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Jan 11, 2011 9:58 PM PST up reply actions
looks like 4th or 5th round...
therefore, this analysis has no opinion.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Jan 11, 2011 10:01 PM PST up reply actions
Brady Quinn put up good numbers at Notre Dame which I like—consistent improvement in the two most important categories, in my opinion: completion pct. and TD:int ratio. Both those stats improved dramatically over the course of his career at ND, and I actually think with harbaugh’s QB developing talent he could be phenomenal on the niners. He has never really had a chance to develop or prove himself, and I hardly think that the Browns coaching staff or structure or team for that matter is the right place for a rookie QB to thrive and learn… mangenius doesn’t seem like the type to breed great Qbs. Harbaugh seems like that guy, and best of all, the niners can get him for next to nothing, not have to roll the dice on the draft. I think Brady Quinn could be an answer.
Also, another Stanford head coach and Notre Dame QB combination isn’t the worst idea in the world.
horrible..in the mold of christian ponder??
"Winning means being unafraid to lose." – Fran Tarkenton
christian ponder
christian ponder
im telling u guys rite now. ponder will be drafted in the 2nd round by harbaugh and he will be a great fit for the system. Great accuracy, mechanics and footwork but could use a little refinement in his decision making. Harbaugh will coach him up well though. heres a link to his highlights
by ninerafficionado on Jan 11, 2011 9:16 PM PST up reply actions
at least he was handsome
Steven Pinker would have predicted success.
Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.
christian ponder
im telling u guys rite now. ponder will be drafted in the 2nd round by harbaugh and he will be a great fit for the system. Great accuracy, mechanics and footwork but could use a little refinement in his decision making. Harbaugh will coach him up well though. heres a link to his highlights
by ninerafficionado on Jan 11, 2011 9:15 PM PST reply actions
Cam Newton Is probably a QB Project
Not an immediate starter, as most are. Few pick it up really well at first. Bradford did pretty well though.
Jay Cruise
Ab Workouts Mind Body Spirit Arthritis Treatment
For those not in the NFL loop, Cam Newton is a project qb, however look at the most come from behind qbs and they are typically pretty nimble, and yes Montanas mobility was underated. Furthermore, Newton is a project qb, but with a solid qb coach a first rounder is definitely worth it. Some team late in the first may take because the chances of him being there in the second late is not worth the risk if you have a plan to use him. No he not Mike Vick dynamic but it comes down to his drive.
Jealous cuz fiends got they work and complained.....
Sorry, but I don't see it.
To be successful and also sustain success in the NFL, you gotta be able to make throws from the pocket. Any NFL team can take away the running ability of the QB, so once that option is gone, the QB better be able pass the ball. With Cam, we really don’t know if he can make these throws b/c of the offensive system Auburn runs, and that’s the problem. To draft him, especially in the first round, you better know that this guy is capable of making accurate reads and delivering the passes on time. The last thing I want to hear is “this guy has potential” because what you see is what you’re most likely going to get, and with Cam, I haven’t seen anything that screams future NFL success.
Also, Cam isn’t even close to Vick. Vick has way more speed and elusiveness. Cam is more of a power runner, which will not bode well for him if he’s going to last in the NFL.
this
There is nothing that Newton does in the Auburn offense that translates to the NFL.
He has the physical tools and a good enough arm, but has shown no ability to read a defense or throw efficiently from the pocket. Auburn just doesn’t ask him to do those things, it’s all one read and take off. Maybe he can read a defense, nobody really knows. I do know that I wouldn’t gamble on it with a high pick. QB’s without QB skills are out of the league very quickly.
His name is Ydwin, your argument is invalid.
by microwave donut on Jan 12, 2011 12:54 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe
Vince Young 2.0
Jim Harbaugh is our future!
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STATS:
He does have the highest completion % (67.1) and QB rating (188) of any of the QBs considered for the first round. People forget that Vick had a horrible completion % (mid-fifties) before being forced into a 2 year self-contemplation and ending up with a WEST COAST OFFENSE.
Nope
He’s a spread option quarterback… c’mon people.
I don't care who get as QB
As long as it translate into W’s. If Cam can play in the WCO and be successful. Bandwagon and true 49ers fans will enjoy success on the field and in Madden.
Here's money for a cab. Now entering sleep mode. beep beep beep zzzzzzzzz
Most overused current cliche
“Beast”
Everybody is a freekin beast. Let’s go to the next level, what’s tougher than a beast?
fire Moran Norris
hire Owen Marecic
a MONSTER!!
Stolen from manraj7, with some additions:
1. Jake Locker QB Wasington 2. Jimmy Smith CB Colorado (or Best CB Available) 3. Christian Ballard DE Iowa 4a. Owen Marecic FB/ST Stanford 4b. Kai Forbath K UCLA 5. Running Back 6a. Defensive Lineman 6b. Guard or Center 7. Whatever's left!
I don't think he will be much better than Tarvaris Jackson.
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan [I have always lived in Arizona, dad is from Chicago].
Newton
I was very disappointed by Cam Newton’s performance. I was expecting the complete quarterback. All I saw was the athlete. If we go that route he will definitely need to sit 3-4 years watching our starter play, could be McNabb.
not 1st round material IMO
From what I’ve seen from him this season(I have not seen all of his games but the majority), I think he is definitely a work in progress that should be taken in the second round at the earliest.
No Thanks!
Another first round draft gamble? Forget it. Newton is a special talent but the niners can’t afford to “hope he develops” and waste a pick that could go to the secondary/defense.
(That goes for all first round QB’s…PASS!)
Luds
Did anyone watch the BCS Championship Game???
I have watched more Cam Newton games than I would like to admit and there are some troubling issues I have with him. Lets keep it to just the BCS game, 1.He completed 1 maybe 2 passes 15 yards or more and all other passes were screens and 5 yards dump offs. 2. He wont be able to run like he does in college in the pros. 3. He plays in the spread option can someone name a spread option QB that has been successful? 4. Because of his running threat in college he faced more single coverage than his whole NFL career will see. Any QB can look good against single coverage if they have a good o-line. He might be ok if he can play out of the shotgun somewhere but I don’t seen him as an under center QB. And lastly (this has nothing to do with football) he has Shrek ears, have you seen those things it creeps me out every time I see him.

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