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Official NFL Draft Thread: 01/11/11 [NEW - Mock Draft Included]

With Andrew Luck heading back to Stanford, the quarterback class for this 2011 NFL Draft is looking a bit on the skimpy side of things. There is no question that with him heading back for a junior year... and possibly even a senior year that the upcoming draft was shaken up a bit.

With the 49ers in desperate need of some attention at the quarterback position, it's a mystery as to which way they will head with it. However, if there is one thing that we saw while the 49ers new head coach was at Stanford is that he is one of the best at coaching young talent up to meet their potential.

In this new thread, I went ahead and took an in-depth look at NFL teams needs and plugged in who I thought they would pursue in the draft based on that. Of course you have to consider and factor in best player available for each team as well. Some teams may have two or three big time needs at a few different positions.

So with all of those factors, let's look at me new "unofficial" mock draft. The "official" mock will be the last one of the year I do. The draft order is not set in stone yet. so I have used another sites draft order for the selections for this post.

Star-divide

1st Pick Panthers - DT -- Nick Fairely -- Auburn -- 6'4", 300 LBS: Fairely played like an animal in last nights National Championship game. He is by far the most destructive force to offensive lines this year. The Panthers are basically starting from ground zero and there is no better place than to start than by building a dominant defensive line.

2nd Pick Broncos - 34OLB -- Robert Quinn -- UNC -- 6'5", 271 LBS: The Broncos could go three different ways with this selection, possibly four if they trade. But despite their need to build a better Dline, and to get younger at the cornerback position, they lack a pass rush in the worst kind of way. The other two positions of DL and CB are much deeper than the outside linebacker position. If they are smart, which is to be determined, this would be the best way to go. Linebacker D.J. Williams led the team with 6 sacks. There is definitely room to improve.

3rd Pick Bills - OL -- Derrek Sherrod -- 6'6", 310 LBS: The Bills could go several different ways with the pick here, but the smartest thing to do would be getting Ryan Fitzpatrick a bit more protection. They have some offensive weapons and if Fitz has enough time to get the ball to them... on top of beefing it up for the run game, then the Bills could be on their way to improving in a very tough division.

4rd Pick Bengals - WR -- A.J. Green -- Georgia -- 6'4", 205 LBS: With Terrell Owens and Chad Ochocinco potentially moving on, the Bengals will be running a skeleton crew at this position. Even if T.O. moves on, they still can afford to get better there. If Jonathon Joesph leaves, it is also possible that the Bengals target a defensive back with this pick.

5th Pick Cardinals - QB -- Ryan Mallett -- Arkansas -- 6'6", 240 LBS: Coach Whisenhunt seems to like the larger sized quarterbacks. Just a couple of years ago the Cards had one of the best pass-protecting lines in the NFL. Not too many pieces have changed. When Kurt Warner was with the team, he was not the most mobile of quarterbacks. Mallett falls in to the category of a non-mobile quarterback but has a rifle of an arm. All any quarterback has to do in Arizona is just get in the general area of Fitzgerald's hands and they should be good.

6th Pick Browns - ILB -- Greg Jones -- Michigan State -- 6'2", 241 LBS: Last year the Browns did very good at drafting some potential star talent for their secondary. I believe that it will be Mike Holmgren's desire to get better at the linebacker position this year. While they desperately need help in the department of receiving, they can get help in the second and third rounds... possibly even free agency. The ground game is already solid with Hillis running the rock. Jones would be a great addition to an evolving defense. Jones is already used to playing in cold weather, so he won't have to make too much adjustment in Cleveland.

7th Pick 49ers - CB -- Patrick Peterson -- LSU -- 6'1", 211 LBS: There is no question in my mind that the 49ers would jump at the opportunity to grab Peterson at number seven should he be there. There is an instant need for help in the 49ers secondary. If you watched even one game last year, you'd know this to be true. Peterson has all the tools to be one of the best in the league.

8th Pick Titans - OLB -- Von Miller -- Texas A&M -- 6'2", 245 LBS: The Titans were literally running dry at the linebacker position. The secondary was banged up all year due to the lack of competence there. Miller would fit very well in what the Titans do. It is very possible that they could go with a wide receiver here, or something to help the offense, but Miller is very good and fills a crucial need for Tennessee.

9th Pick Cowboys - CB -- Prince Amukamara -- Nebraska -- 6'1", 203 LBS: Let's face it, Terrance Newman is not exactly number one cornerback material. He serves as a very good and solid number two. Amukamara could possibly step up and meet the challenge of being a number one rated corner for the Cowboys. Their secondary could definitely use a face-lift.

10th Pick Redskins - SS -- DeAndre McDaniel -- Clemson -- 6'1", 210 LBS: With LaRon Landry on the other side, this pick here would give the Redskins one of the better safety tandems in the league. The Redskins got beat a bunch on big plays down the field and will need a ball hawk like McDaniel back there to keep the opposition honest.

11th Pick Texans - C -- Stefen Wisniewski -- Penn State -- 6'3", 305 LBS: The Texans ran flat at times on offense last year. They seemed to be stuck in 2nd gear in spurts last season. They need help big time on their interior line. A good center is the leader of the offensive line. It would be ill advised to go in any other direction for the Texans as they are much stronger in all other areas. This should be priority numero uno.

12th Pick Vikings - QB -- Cam Newton -- Auburn -- 6'6", 248 LBS: Brett Favre is gone, Adrian Peterson is still there, the defense is pretty solid minus possibly a safety... Cam Newton makes sense here. He is a duel threat and a beast at the goaline. With Peterson and Newton in at the same time in the redzone, it will be very hard to defend against. Newton has a big arm to get it down field to the big play receivers in Sidney Rice, Percy Harvin, and Bernard Berrian. There are endless possibilities on offense should the Vikings go with Newton.

13th Pick Lions - 43DE -- Da'Quan Bowers -- Clemson -- 6'4", 271 LBS: If Bowers is here, he could ultimately be a addition to help on that defensive line. He was the Nations leader with 15 sacks. If he could replicate what he has done in college in the pro's, the Lions will be stacked with one of the best defensive lines in the National Football League.

14th Pick Rams - WR -- Julio Jones -- Alabama -- 6'4", 210 LBS: Jones could be the missing link to an up and coming very talented football team. There are several receivers on the team now on the brink of breaking loose and emerging as threats to the opposition. With the addition of Jones, Bradford will have multiple options as he goes through his reads. Should they draft Jones here, this could be the makings of this decades next super tandem ala Manning/ Harrison, Montana/ Rice... well maybe not that good, but pretty good.

15th Pick Dolphins - 34DE -- Stephen Paea -- Oregon State -- 6'1", 315 LBS: The Dolphins lack a strong force in the middle of their defensive line. Although they may be looking for a quarterback, there really isn't many options. This is the safest pick for the Dolphins. They have their linebackers and they seem to have their secondary. Now it's time to focus on getting some push on that Dline.

16th Pick Jaguars - 43DE -- Adrian Clayborn -- Iowa -- 6'3", 285 LBS: The Jags lack any sort of force or outside rush from either defensive end. With Jack Del Rio, a defensive minded coach running the show, it seems appropriate that he would help out last years draft pick Alualu in drafting Clayborn. Clayborn has been a menace throughout his entire college career and should do just that as a pro as well.

17th Pick Patriots - 34DE -- Cameron Heyward -- Ohio State -- 6'5", 290 LBS: Big Daddy Wolfork is getting too old to do things by himself. He is going to need some help next year assuming he returns. Heyward has had a dominant college career. He could be an elite at his position. Specifically because Belichick is a master at coaching his guys up. Heyward just seems like a Belichick sort of guy and would be a good fit.

18th Pick Chargers - S -- Rahim Moore -- UCLA -- 6'1", 200 LBS: Moore has been one of the most talented players at his respective position. The Chargers are set at cornerback, but could use an upgrade on the back end of the secondary. He had 10 interceptions his sophomore year but only 1 pick this year. It was in large part to teams throwing away from him. Pro scouts, particularly the ones in the southern California have not forgot about the talent and presence that this kid brings each and every game. He finished the year with 77 tackles. It may be a bit of a reach considering the drop off in INT's, but it will be a pick well spent in an area that the Chargers need.

19th Pick Giants - RB -- Mark Ingram -- Alabama -- 5'10", 215 LBS: This could be the closest thing the NFC East has seen to an Emmitt Smith type player in a long time. This is one of those best player available meets a need type of situations should Ingram fall here. I imagine he will be one of the players invited to the green room during the draft, but he may be waiting there for while considering that most teams are now looking for running backs in later rounds nowadays.

20th Pick Bucs - WR -- Jonathan Baldwin -- Pittsburgh -- 6'5", 225 LBS: The Bucs lucked out in grabbing Mike WIlliams... he has been a pleasant surprise for them. However, they lack a solid second receiver. Of course there is always free agency, but when you are that young, it is wise to continue to try and get guys through the draft. The Bucs, and Josh Freeman would love to have a potentially great receiver like Blackmon.

21st Pick Chiefs - ILB -- Akeem Ayers -- UCLA -- 6'4", 255 LBS: Vrabel will not be around much longer. Ayers could start imediately and give the Chiefs the pass rusher they have lacked since the late great Derrick Thomas. Ayers is a guy who posses lightning fast speed for his position and a nice set of skills to get by would-be blockers. This would be an ideal selection should Ayers fall in to the Chiefs lap here.

22nd Pick Eagles - CB -- Brandon Harris -- Miami -- 5'11", 195 LBS: The Eagles got torched by Aaron Rodgers. One side of the field seemed to be secure and the other not as much. Harris would be a steal at the 22nd pick and the Eagles could certainly use it. Even though a lot of the blame was put on Michael Vick for the loss, the Eagles defense did give up 3 touchdowns in the air.

23rd Pick Colts - OT - DeMarcus Love -- Arkansas -- 6'5", 315 LBS: Love protected Ryan Mallett's hind parts all year long. He helped a not-so-mobile quarterback launch his draft stock a bunch higher than it should be. With that said, Love could wind up being the guy to protect Peyton Manning for the remainder of his career. This is more need than it is BPA, but it would work for the Colts who have done very well at drafting in recent history.

24th Pick Saints - 43DT - Marcell Dareus -- Alabama -- 6'3", 306 LBS: The biggest knock on Dareus, which is a big one, is that he had tendencies to take plays off throughout the year when he was in the game. Sean Payton is a big-time motivator. If he can't get this kid kick started, then nobody can. Dareus would be a nice replacement for the right defensive tackle Remi Ayodele who struggled quite a bit through the course of the season. He didn't manage many tackles, sacks, or just presence in general. Dareus would be an upgrade on downs when he decided to play.

 

...the rest will come as the playoffs progress and more teams are knocked out.

Don't forget to rec the post.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors.

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Dude do you have access to my computer?

Our first 7 were the same except I had Newton where you have Mallett.

Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
My dream draft
1. Jake Locker QB UW 2. Jimmy Smith CB Colorado 3. Casey Mathews OLB Oregon. 4a. Owen Marecic FB/LB/ST Stanford 4b. Titus Young WR Boise 5. Alex Henery K Nebraska 6a.Clay Nurse DE/OLB Illinois (depending on combine/proday) 6b. Chase Beeler C Stanford 7a. BPA 7b. BPA

by manraj7 on Jan 11, 2011 8:45 PM PST reply actions  

I hope this one is right.

that way the cards end up with Mallett and further ruin their chances of winning

by HappyHourSomewhere on Jan 11, 2011 9:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Mallett can be a beast QB.

Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
My dream draft
1. Jake Locker QB UW 2. Jimmy Smith CB Colorado 3. Casey Mathews OLB Oregon. 4a. Owen Marecic FB/LB/ST Stanford 4b. Titus Young WR Boise 5. Alex Henery K Nebraska 6a.Clay Nurse DE/OLB Illinois (depending on combine/proday) 6b. Chase Beeler C Stanford 7a. BPA 7b. BPA

by manraj7 on Jan 11, 2011 9:21 PM PST up reply actions  

yea but i think it will take too much work

he needs some serious coaching and a real good O-line since he isnt the most mobile qb. i think Blaine Gabbert is the best QB in the draft

by HappyHourSomewhere on Jan 11, 2011 10:08 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

but....

he still needs to be developed too haha

by HappyHourSomewhere on Jan 11, 2011 10:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I like Locker

Just because I like his character. He seems like a guy I would follow.

Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
My dream draft
1. Jake Locker QB UW 2. Jimmy Smith CB Colorado 3. Casey Mathews OLB Oregon. 4a. Owen Marecic FB/LB/ST Stanford 4b. Titus Young WR Boise 5. Alex Henery K Nebraska 6a.Clay Nurse DE/OLB Illinois (depending on combine/proday) 6b. Chase Beeler C Stanford 7a. BPA 7b. BPA

by manraj7 on Jan 11, 2011 10:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Me too.

I like Locker and Gabbert. I am just not a fan of Mallett at all. Either of those two would be good with me.

by HappyHourSomewhere on Jan 11, 2011 10:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Same

I also like Mcelroy

Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
My dream draft
1. Jake Locker QB UW 2. Jimmy Smith CB Colorado 3. Casey Mathews OLB Oregon. 4a. Owen Marecic FB/LB/ST Stanford 4b. Titus Young WR Boise 5. Alex Henery K Nebraska 6a.Clay Nurse DE/OLB Illinois (depending on combine/proday) 6b. Chase Beeler C Stanford 7a. BPA 7b. BPA

by manraj7 on Jan 11, 2011 10:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Locker is a bust waiting to happen

I’d take Gabbert and Mallett over him anyday, even Newton. People make excuses for him and it smells to much to me like Alex Smith. I’ll pass.

In Jed We Trust?

by jonesin25 on Jan 12, 2011 12:57 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Gabbert is more likly to bust than Locker.

Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
My dream draft
1. Jake Locker QB UW 2. Jimmy Smith CB Colorado 3. Casey Mathews OLB Oregon. 4a. Owen Marecic FB/LB/ST Stanford 4b. Titus Young WR Boise 5. Alex Henery K Nebraska 6a.Clay Nurse DE/OLB Illinois (depending on combine/proday) 6b. Chase Beeler C Stanford 7a. BPA 7b. BPA

by manraj7 on Jan 12, 2011 9:41 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Read my SI.com article in fanshots. Mayock and Scouts peg Gabbert as the better QB, and compared Locker to Alex Smith. Care to revise your statement?

by hudd07 on Jan 12, 2011 11:48 AM PST up reply actions  

I call first when comparing locker to alex smith.

lol

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 12, 2011 12:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Busting has more to do with character.

Kellen Moore is awesome
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My dream draft
1. Jake Locker QB UW 2. Jimmy Smith CB Colorado 3. Casey Mathews OLB Oregon. 4a. Owen Marecic FB/LB/ST Stanford 4b. Sione Fua NT Stanford 5. Titus Young WR Boise State 6a.Clay Nurse DE/OLB Illinois (depending on combine/proday) 6b. Chase Beeler C Stanford 7a. BPA 7b. BPA

by manraj7 on Jan 12, 2011 12:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Huh?

Or intelligence. If a guy is afraid and indecisive in the pocket, he won’t succeed. We have seen that with Alex over 6 years. You have to have a guy that knows what he wants to do with the ball in the pocket. Not a guy that’s paralyzed by his indecision.

Did you read the article? It’s actually REALLY good I thought.

by hudd07 on Jan 12, 2011 12:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Not yet

but I will.

Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
My dream draft
1. Jake Locker QB UW 2. Jimmy Smith CB Colorado 3. Casey Mathews OLB Oregon. 4a. Owen Marecic FB/LB/ST Stanford 4b. Sione Fua NT Stanford 5. Titus Young WR Boise State 6a.Clay Nurse DE/OLB Illinois (depending on combine/proday) 6b. Chase Beeler C Stanford 7a. BPA 7b. BPA

by manraj7 on Jan 12, 2011 12:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I will

Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
My dream draft
1. Jake Locker QB UW 2. Jimmy Smith CB Colorado 3. Casey Mathews OLB Oregon. 4a. Owen Marecic FB/LB/ST Stanford 4b. Sione Fua NT Stanford 5. Titus Young WR Boise State 6a.Clay Nurse DE/OLB Illinois (depending on combine/proday) 6b. Chase Beeler C Stanford 7a. BPA 7b. BPA

by manraj7 on Jan 12, 2011 12:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Locker?

I read somewhere that he grew up a Seahawks fan and wouldn’t want to play for anyone else but them? I also heard this from a co-worker that’s from Seattle…

by smooveken on Jan 13, 2011 8:16 AM PST up reply actions  

I doubt that

He will play for anyone. He would want to play for the Hawks. Wouldn’t you want to play for your favorite team?

Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
My dream draft
1. Jake Locker QB UW 2. Jimmy Smith CB Colorado 3. Casey Mathews OLB Oregon. 4a. Owen Marecic FB/LB/ST Stanford 4b. Sione Fua NT Stanford 5. Titus Young WR Boise State 6a.Clay Nurse DE/OLB Illinois (depending on combine/proday) 6b. Chase Beeler C Stanford 7a. BPA 7b. BPA

by manraj7 on Jan 13, 2011 9:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Right I understand that he "wants" to play for the Hawks..

Right, but isn’t that what Peyton Manning did? Refused to play with the team that drafted him and insisted on going to to the Colts?

by smooveken on Jan 13, 2011 10:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Not Peyton, Eli.

You are thinking of his brother Eli. Eli made it known that he wouldn’t play for San Diego. Got drafted by the Chargers despite his objection, but was then traded to the Giants for Rivers later in the draft.

by VigilanteSteve on Jan 13, 2011 10:48 AM PST up reply actions  

This

and since he isn’t the #1 pick he can’t be very picky where he goes.

Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
My dream draft
1. Jake Locker QB UW 2. Jimmy Smith CB Colorado 3. Casey Mathews OLB Oregon. 4a. Owen Marecic FB/LB/ST Stanford 4b. Sione Fua NT Stanford 5. Titus Young WR Boise State 6a.Clay Nurse DE/OLB Illinois (depending on combine/proday) 6b. Chase Beeler C Stanford 7a. BPA 7b. BPA

by manraj7 on Jan 13, 2011 10:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Wrong Manning

I see, thanks for the clarification.

by smooveken on Jan 13, 2011 4:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Elway did it too

except he did it to get away from the colts

by monkey spanker on Jan 13, 2011 11:08 PM PST up reply actions  

He was also the #1 pick

Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
My dream draft
1. Jake Locker QB UW 2. Jimmy Smith CB Colorado 3. Casey Mathews OLB Oregon. 4a. Owen Marecic FB/LB/ST Stanford 4b. Sione Fua NT Stanford 5. Titus Young WR Boise State 6a.Clay Nurse DE/OLB Illinois (depending on combine/proday) 6b. Chase Beeler C Stanford 7a. BPA 7b. BPA

by manraj7 on Jan 13, 2011 11:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Don't lie to us

Don’t tell us these false lies.

Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
My dream draft
1. Jake Locker QB UW 2. Jimmy Smith CB Colorado 3. Casey Mathews OLB Oregon. 4a. Owen Marecic FB/LB/ST Stanford 4b. Sione Fua NT Stanford 5. Titus Young WR Boise State 6a.Clay Nurse DE/OLB Illinois (depending on combine/proday) 6b. Chase Beeler C Stanford 7a. BPA 7b. BPA

by manraj7 on Jan 13, 2011 10:16 PM PST up reply actions  

I wish I was lying

Crabtree might still be a Cowboy fan

It's Whore-baugh, remember?

by bignerd on Jan 13, 2011 10:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Begone with you.

Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
My dream draft
1. Jake Locker QB UW 2. Jimmy Smith CB Colorado 3. Casey Mathews OLB Oregon. 4a. Owen Marecic FB/LB/ST Stanford 4b. Sione Fua NT Stanford 5. Titus Young WR Boise State 6a.Clay Nurse DE/OLB Illinois (depending on combine/proday) 6b. Chase Beeler C Stanford 7a. BPA 7b. BPA

by manraj7 on Jan 13, 2011 10:52 PM PST up reply actions  

bignerd

If you don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say anything at all.

by hudd07 on Jan 14, 2011 3:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I feel like someone just punched me in my nads.

My favorite players are cowboys fans.

Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
My dream draft

by manraj7 on Jan 14, 2011 3:50 PM PST up reply actions  

It's Whore-baugh, remember?

by bignerd on Jan 14, 2011 4:37 PM PST up reply actions  

title and

LOL

Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
My dream draft

by manraj7 on Jan 14, 2011 4:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I think that Wizz is a bit too picky

He seems to never be happy with a QB and not really willing to develop a QB. The important word here is “develop”. If memory serves, he was not that happy to have Big Ben as his QB during his Steeler time. Sure he reaped he benefits but he never really liked him. It’s kind of odd. I don’t see him as a QB developer, more of a type to get a QB with some skills he likes and then deal with it to an extent. Again it’s odd.

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 12, 2011 5:05 PM PST up reply actions  

"I think Blaine Gabbert is the best QB in the draft"

and we’re done here…

PLEASE get McFadden out of Oakland. The pain is more than I can handle. Oakland, where careers go to die.

by Arkie49er on Jan 14, 2011 6:17 PM PST up reply actions  

ponder not mallett

we should draft ponder in second round. if we draft mallett we will suck forever. the guy cant move and cant throw on the run and he doesnt fit the WCO

by ninerafficionado on Jan 11, 2011 11:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually

He can throw on the run he just can’t run well. Anyone know where you can find extensive stats on these things? I hear them throw out these random stats when watching the games but have no clue where to find them on the internet, if they even exist…

In Jed We Trust?

by jonesin25 on Jan 12, 2011 1:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Umm Mallett can throw on the run just isn't very good.

Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
My dream draft
1. Jake Locker QB UW 2. Jimmy Smith CB Colorado 3. Casey Mathews OLB Oregon. 4a. Owen Marecic FB/LB/ST Stanford 4b. Titus Young WR Boise 5. Alex Henery K Nebraska 6a.Clay Nurse DE/OLB Illinois (depending on combine/proday) 6b. Chase Beeler C Stanford 7a. BPA 7b. BPA

by manraj7 on Jan 12, 2011 9:42 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Honest and maybe stupid question

How many times did we see Montana throw on the run..I mean like we’re talking throwing on the run…like “oh sh**!!!” throwing on the run? Brady is a good maneueverer in the pocket in no ways a mobile QB (look at Brady’s early days with the crew he had, that was more WCO than some like to admit) Manning? He’s good at maneuvering (read hide behind your blockers) in the pocket (ala Marino really, more than Brady or Montana). Steve was a very mobile QB and in the early years at least made up for his lack of being able to be a WCO QB with his scramble ability (ala Tarkenton). The real question in my mind is what kind of WCO QB are we talking about as far as Harbaugh’s desire to run?

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 12, 2011 5:23 PM PST up reply actions  

How much faith do you have in our o-line?

Kellen Moore is awesome
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My dream draft
1. Jake Locker QB UW 2. Jimmy Smith CB Colorado 3. Casey Mathews OLB Oregon. 4a. Owen Marecic FB/LB/ST Stanford 4b. Sione Fua NT Stanford 5. Titus Young WR Boise State 6a.Clay Nurse DE/OLB Illinois (depending on combine/proday) 6b. Chase Beeler C Stanford 7a. BPA 7b. BPA

by manraj7 on Jan 12, 2011 5:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Tons of faith

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"

by Eastbayjim on Jan 12, 2011 10:05 PM PST up reply actions  

me too

I thought I was crazy.

Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
My dream draft
1. Jake Locker QB UW 2. Jimmy Smith CB Colorado 3. Casey Mathews OLB Oregon. 4a. Owen Marecic FB/LB/ST Stanford 4b. Sione Fua NT Stanford 5. Titus Young WR Boise State 6a.Clay Nurse DE/OLB Illinois (depending on combine/proday) 6b. Chase Beeler C Stanford 7a. BPA 7b. BPA

by manraj7 on Jan 12, 2011 10:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Faith is irrelevant

statistically the o-line was top 15. To get into the top 10 (which gets us into the faith category) would take a lot of improvement. We were also the third worst at giving up sacks.

by asmithisaverage on Jan 14, 2011 10:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Our line is really young

You have to expect some mistakes.

Kellen Moore is awesome
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by manraj7 on Jan 14, 2011 10:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Depends on what you look at...

Statistically by straight WPA we are #15.

If you look at run blocking EPA we are #4.

If you look at pass blocking EPA we are #30.

We allowed 81 hits and 40 sacks on the QB last season.. only Jacksonville let their QB get hit more and only 6 other teams allowed more sacks.

Our O-line is in the same position as our defense….

If they played the pass as well as they did the run, it wouldn’t matter if they played the run as badly as they were playing the pass.

And our record would have been 10+ wins easily.

by Ougadas on Jan 14, 2011 11:47 AM PST up reply actions  

DVOA

13th in run blocking, 30th in pass protection. For what it’s worth.

Is it draft day yet?

by See Jay on Jan 14, 2011 8:42 PM PST up reply actions  

It was better before Staley got hurt.

We were #4 in run blocking and like 16th in pass protection. For what its worth.

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by manraj7 on Jan 14, 2011 8:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Dang

That’s a pretty huge drop-off.

Is it draft day yet?

by See Jay on Jan 14, 2011 8:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Well that is from memory

Do you remember what week he broke himself.

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by manraj7 on Jan 14, 2011 8:52 PM PST up reply actions  

NFL.com says he played 9 games this year.

that would mean he went down against the Broncos.

We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.

by these3words on Jan 15, 2011 1:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Football outsiders took down the week by week thing

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by manraj7 on Jan 15, 2011 1:16 PM PST up reply actions  

How many times did we see Montana throw on the run?

he did plenty of designed rollouts. see Catch, The.

We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.

by these3words on Jan 14, 2011 7:10 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

dude awesome draft picks on your sig

those are the exact same players i want in rounds 1 – 4.

OHHHHHH!!! Take That With Youuuuuu!!!

by Giants49war on Jan 12, 2011 2:28 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm gonna change it up again.

Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
My dream draft
1. Jake Locker QB UW 2. Jimmy Smith CB Colorado 3. Casey Mathews OLB Oregon. 4a. Owen Marecic FB/LB/ST Stanford 4b. Titus Young WR Boise 5. Alex Henery K Nebraska 6a.Clay Nurse DE/OLB Illinois (depending on combine/proday) 6b. Chase Beeler C Stanford 7a. BPA 7b. BPA

by manraj7 on Jan 12, 2011 9:43 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Its hard

It will be changing a lot

Kellen Moore is awesome
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by manraj7 on Jan 16, 2011 10:42 AM PST up reply actions  

I know, I was just kidding

I’m still changing who I think would be good too.

Draft Nick Fairley

by REDANDGOLD8 on Jan 17, 2011 3:07 AM PST up reply actions  

I would love me some Patrick Peterson.

by BayLife5518 on Jan 11, 2011 9:00 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

I would be jumping up and down. I would put down the razor forever.

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by manraj7 on Jan 11, 2011 9:22 PM PST up reply actions  

They have one of the best CB tandem in the league

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by manraj7 on Jan 11, 2011 10:15 PM PST up reply actions  

I heard J. Joseph isn't gonna be there next year.

I don’t quite remember where i heard it but I don’t think the bengals want to pay the money for him. Not 100% about this but it could still change the draft a bit

by HappyHourSomewhere on Jan 11, 2011 10:18 PM PST up reply actions  

He is going to be there

The owners want him and JJ wants him.

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by manraj7 on Jan 11, 2011 10:20 PM PST up reply actions  

If we get Peterson at #7

I will dance a f*cking jig.

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by mikev on Jan 11, 2011 9:07 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

I'll give you a ride back.

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1. Jake Locker QB UW 2. Jimmy Smith CB Colorado 3. Casey Mathews OLB Oregon. 4a. Owen Marecic FB/LB/ST Stanford 4b. Titus Young WR Boise 5. Alex Henery K Nebraska 6a.Clay Nurse DE/OLB Illinois (depending on combine/proday) 6b. Chase Beeler C Stanford 7a. BPA 7b. BPA

by manraj7 on Jan 11, 2011 9:22 PM PST up reply actions  

EEW

I pictured a naked dude on your back as you ran him back to VA

by hudd07 on Jan 12, 2011 11:49 AM PST up reply actions  

please remember site decorum folks please. thanks lol

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 12, 2011 12:31 PM PST up reply actions  

I was talking about a car ride.

Dude you nasty.

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by manraj7 on Jan 12, 2011 12:32 PM PST up reply actions  

lol, you walked into that one..................

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 12, 2011 12:33 PM PST up reply actions  

What route?

Northern Route or Summer Route? Northern Route you better plan on explaining the shrinkage factor a lot. :-)

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 12, 2011 5:26 PM PST up reply actions  

fourth

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 11, 2011 9:08 PM PST reply actions  

Blaine Gabbert..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5nGYHLeB2g..

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by Nelow on Jan 11, 2011 9:32 PM PST reply actions  

seen it wasn't impressed

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by manraj7 on Jan 11, 2011 9:33 PM PST up reply actions  

oh boy

He shouldn’t even be declaring. If he plays anything like that video he won’t even secure a backup QB spot on a NFL roster.

It's Whore-baugh, remember?

by bignerd on Jan 11, 2011 9:56 PM PST up reply actions  

really? i thought that video sorta looked amazing..or maybe cause ..

i’ve been watching too much Mallet and Locker highlights..jesus they all look the same except for Mallet.

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by Nelow on Jan 11, 2011 10:01 PM PST up reply actions  

I could see why you’d say he looks like Locker. Locker also runs around for reasons that probably aren’t explainable. I would say based on that video Gabbert has a worse case of it. The difference is Locker has a much better throwing motion, passes are more on target and he certainly looks more athletic running than Gabbert. A lot of clips of Gabbert are him running around like a chicken with his head caught off, barely out running marginal talent than chicken winging some passes that isn’t even close to being completed.

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by bignerd on Jan 11, 2011 10:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I also hate how they have him set 7 yards behind the center in the shotgun. He is pretty quick and has a cannon, but he is going to take a lot of work imo. Can he play behind center? I have my doubts.

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by jonesin25 on Jan 12, 2011 1:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Doesn't he look slow?

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by manraj7 on Jan 11, 2011 10:19 PM PST up reply actions  

He does look slow. I actually laughed when he decided to run one himself. There was a hole there but even he realized he was moving so slow his best option was to turtle and drop before getting smashed.

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by bignerd on Jan 11, 2011 10:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Also his passes weren't very accurate. I thought Locker looked better.

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by manraj7 on Jan 11, 2011 10:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Meh!

Saw more negative than positive.

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 12, 2011 5:43 PM PST up reply actions  

wait a tick

is that Alex smith!?? has to be. Plays just like him! nooooo ty on Gabbert…id much rather take locker..hell even kaepernick

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by imjuliooo89 on Jan 13, 2011 6:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Two quick questions, Drew ...

Why Peterson over Prince? I see Prince as a true CB but Peterson as a better S. I’m not optimistic about being able to get either one; think that they will go before #7.
Where is J.J. Watt? Where do you have him ranked?

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by 49erFanSince1950 on Jan 11, 2011 9:40 PM PST reply actions  

Peterson is a dual threat

They are supposidly just as fast, but Peterson has a stronger reputation of being a great CB in a better conference and also being a great threat in the return game. I think being SEC and a punt returner makes him worth more to most people. Prince may have put some question marks on himself when he get smoked by Blackmon and OK st. as well. I know Blackmon is a beast, I don’t hold it against him too much, but ya never know how it affected his stock considering it is one of the few key matchups he would have all season.

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by jonesin25 on Jan 12, 2011 1:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Peterson also seems a lot more athletic

He is more raw, but is by far the better prospect.

by hudd07 on Jan 12, 2011 11:50 AM PST up reply actions  

why do you think Peterson should play Safety?

We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.

by these3words on Jan 14, 2011 7:17 AM PST up reply actions  

He is built like a Safety

But he can play CB

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by manraj7 on Jan 14, 2011 9:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Sounds like Nnamdi

Except Nnamdi played Safety at Cal and moved over to CB at Oakland

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by Mdizzle138 on Jan 14, 2011 10:19 AM PST up reply actions  

He is built like a safety but is a shutdown corner

Earl Thomas is built like a safety but CAN play corner.

Peterson is a shutdown corner leave him there.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 14, 2011 11:07 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

this.

just because he is built like a safety doesn’t mean he can’t or shouldn’t play corner.

We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.

by these3words on Jan 14, 2011 1:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed

I’d take a full squad of DBs that are built like safeties. I have no problem with a tall big strong corner, if he can defend the ball

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 15, 2011 1:34 AM PST up reply actions  

It also helps...

When they have to face tall strong receivers built like Plaxico who like to muscle DB’s in the end zone. Guys who are 5’8" and 180 just don’t stand a chance.

by Ougadas on Jan 15, 2011 2:42 AM PST up reply actions  

I like tall big fast CB.

Since we go up against tall big WRs 6 times a year.

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by manraj7 on Jan 15, 2011 10:50 AM PST up reply actions  

this is the ultimate dream scenario for the draft

lcoker falling to the second round. are you kidding me? that would be amazing. niners could get peterson and locker for not much given up. I would literally orgasm.

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by operation carrot on Jan 11, 2011 9:52 PM PST reply actions  

Locker would go high second, I'd wager

We might have to trade up in the second if we really want him

Stolen from manraj7, with some additions:
1. Jake Locker QB Wasington 2. Jimmy Smith CB Colorado (or Best CB Available) 3. Christian Ballard DE Iowa 4a. Owen Marecic FB/ST Stanford 4b. Kai Forbath K UCLA 5. Running Back 6a. Defensive Lineman 6b. Guard or Center 7. Whatever's left!

by See Jay on Jan 11, 2011 10:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Which is why we can't just toss a 2nd or 3rd round pick around

for Orton/Kolb/etc. We need the powder dry so we can move up. But damnnn it would be nice to get Peterson and Locker (or whoever Harbaugh really wants).

by asmithisaverage on Jan 12, 2011 7:09 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

rec'd.

i keep telling people we can’t go spending draft picks on short-term stopgaps, but everyone seems to think that one year of Kyle Orton is worth a 2nd round pick.

We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.

by these3words on Jan 14, 2011 7:21 AM PST up reply actions  

This

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by manraj7 on Jan 14, 2011 9:26 AM PST up reply actions  

I havn't seen people say that

I think the people that think he is a stop gap QB know not to waste a 2nd round pick on him. It’s the people that want him for 3 years or so until we get a better option that do want him.

Me for one, I’d rather spend the 2nd round pick on a young QB, then another in the 3rd round instead of Orton, and a rookie QB sometime in the draft.

by hudd07 on Jan 14, 2011 3:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Yep

I doubt he gets past them

Stolen from manraj7, with some additions:
1. Jake Locker QB Wasington 2. Jimmy Smith CB Colorado (or Best CB Available) 3. Christian Ballard DE Iowa 4a. Owen Marecic FB/ST Stanford 4b. Kai Forbath K UCLA 5. Running Back 6a. Defensive Lineman 6b. Guard or Center 7. Whatever's left!

by See Jay on Jan 12, 2011 11:58 AM PST up reply actions  

That's right

I have US taking him. If he falls past us, I bet the Skins, Titans, Dolphins, Vikings all give him a long look. I really doubt he falls past that, but if he does… Seattle will snatch him.

Stolen from manraj7, with some additions:
1. Jake Locker QB Wasington 2. Jimmy Smith CB Colorado (or Best CB Available) 3. Christian Ballard DE Iowa 4a. Owen Marecic FB/ST Stanford 4b. Kai Forbath K UCLA 5. Running Back 6a. Defensive Lineman 6b. Guard or Center 7. Whatever's left!

by See Jay on Jan 12, 2011 12:04 PM PST up reply actions  

So what you are saying is, that he WONT go into high 2nd round?

You stated above that you thought Locker went in high second and we would have to trade up to get him.

I don’t think there is any way he get’s past Seattle.

by hudd07 on Jan 12, 2011 12:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Sorry!

I misread. I think he goes high FIRST round. ><

Stolen from manraj7, with some additions:
1. Jake Locker QB Wasington 2. Jimmy Smith CB Colorado (or Best CB Available) 3. Christian Ballard DE Iowa 4a. Owen Marecic FB/ST Stanford 4b. Kai Forbath K UCLA 5. Running Back 6a. Defensive Lineman 6b. Guard or Center 7. Whatever's left!

by See Jay on Jan 12, 2011 12:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Damn, that was a glaring mistake on my part

Ugh. Locker goes top 15 IMO.

Stolen from manraj7, with some additions:
1. Jake Locker QB Wasington 2. Jimmy Smith CB Colorado (or Best CB Available) 3. Christian Ballard DE Iowa 4a. Owen Marecic FB/ST Stanford 4b. Kai Forbath K UCLA 5. Running Back 6a. Defensive Lineman 6b. Guard or Center 7. Whatever's left!

by See Jay on Jan 12, 2011 12:13 PM PST up reply actions  

My thoughts on getting Locker at #7 are now crushed

I know what everyone is going to argue but the Browns will pick him at #6 (if still available).

It's Whore-baugh, remember?

by bignerd on Jan 11, 2011 10:24 PM PST reply actions  

Doubt it

they have Colt McCoy. They love that guy.

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by manraj7 on Jan 11, 2011 10:25 PM PST up reply actions  

If Holgrem doesn't want him

I’ll take him over Locker.

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by manraj7 on Jan 11, 2011 10:34 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm 99% sure Holmgren takes Locker if he is available

I’d say start lobbying for Colt McCoy now, he’ll be available via trade. Either after the CBA is signed or in 2012 after giving Locker some training time before taking the job.

It's Whore-baugh, remember?

by bignerd on Jan 11, 2011 10:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't see them drafting Locker at all.

QB is not their problem.

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by manraj7 on Jan 11, 2011 10:45 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Well I said I knew what everyone was going to argue ...

The guy making the pick developed both Steve Young and Brett Favre. He’s not going to shy away from an erratic, wild yet ultra talented Jake Locker. This is right in Holmgren’s wheel house, Locker is his profile.

Colt McCoy showed that maybe he can be a nice little QB but he’s not keeping McCoy over someone he can perceive as being the next NFL star. You know Holmgren believes in the QB position, he’ll quickly give up a good one to get a great one.

It's Whore-baugh, remember?

by bignerd on Jan 11, 2011 11:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes that is Holgrem

but he can’t keep drafting a QB. They have a lack of playmakers on the team and no QB can change that.

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by manraj7 on Jan 11, 2011 11:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Holmgren likes free agency. He gets plenty of playmakers there, especially on the defensive side of the ball.

It's Whore-baugh, remember?

by bignerd on Jan 11, 2011 11:20 PM PST up reply actions  

You also didn’t factor in that Holmgren wont be the one developing him. He is a front office guy, not a coach. Plus I always thought Steve gave credit to Shanahan with his development? I know Holmgren was part of it, but he was there what? 4 years? Most of it was still Joe’s era. Browns still need some linemen and receivers, I don’t think I could see them going QB with young Colt there.

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by jonesin25 on Jan 12, 2011 1:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Holmgren coached at BYU why Young was there

He had him at the 49ers for a little for awhile to.

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by bignerd on Jan 12, 2011 2:04 AM PST up reply actions  

I really had my doubts about McCoy as an NFL QB

but I must say, he’s surprised me in CLE. Yeah, he’s not great, but not flopping either.

by brundylop on Jan 11, 2011 10:31 PM PST up reply actions  

It works

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My dream draft
1. Jake Locker QB UW 2. Jimmy Smith CB Colorado 3. Casey Mathews OLB Oregon. 4a. Owen Marecic FB/LB/ST Stanford 4b. Titus Young WR Boise 5. Alex Henery K Nebraska 6a.Clay Nurse DE/OLB Illinois (depending on combine/proday) 6b. Chase Beeler C Stanford 7a. BPA 7b. BPA

by manraj7 on Jan 11, 2011 10:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Damn Cardinals!!

I like how you had Peterson drop to us there, lol. As awesome as that would be, we would need some more of that Crabtree luck (don’t kill me for that comment, you know what I meant, lol). Also a little surprised by your QB picks, but I suppose I could see that happening. I feel like maybe one more of those teams could take one, but, who I don’t know…

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by jonesin25 on Jan 12, 2011 1:28 AM PST reply actions  

Crabtree improvment

Step 1, passing offense.
Step 2, passing quarterback.

I still consider him a good pick, if a diva. This year will tell. I smell a breakout year for him.

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by Arkie49er on Jan 14, 2011 6:30 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't mind if he is a diva

Just that he plays well.

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by manraj7 on Jan 14, 2011 7:05 PM PST up reply actions  

great post! If we take CB 1st round then I DEF WANT PAT PETERSON!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1oqIK9cMTY&feature=player_embedded#!

this made me drool… no homo.

if we take CB 2nd round instead, then Jimmy Smith of Colorado. Not a big fan of Prince Amukamura…

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by Giants49war on Jan 12, 2011 2:14 AM PST reply actions  

Okay but to note, i dont see Giants taking Ingram

they already have Jacobs and Bradshaw…

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by Giants49war on Jan 12, 2011 2:34 AM PST reply actions  

Jacobs is likely gone.

And both fumbled a bunch last year. They need to emphasize ball security and I think Ingram might make sense if he is at the top of their board.

by Joshuahss on Jan 12, 2011 6:15 AM PST up reply actions  

We will not draft a CB in the top 7

I’m sorry I just do not see us going def in a draft where the major need is QB. If a guy is there we are going to take the best QB available (I hope it is Locker). That is too much money and not work the risk. The only way I will believe we will draft a CB if one of the two starters are traded or released.

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by chriscream on Jan 12, 2011 5:54 AM PST reply actions  

Thing is...

The best QB for a WCO… can be had in the second round or lower.

The top 4 or 5 guys on most draft boards aren’t suited to the WCO. They are highly thought of because they are either raw athletes, or possess the biggest arm, or played for the best team, or they are tall… all stupid reasons to pick a guy to run the WCO.

People like to rank QB’s.. but the draft is about matching the right player with the system you are running.

by Ougadas on Jan 12, 2011 6:07 AM PST up reply actions  

The Value of a Top 10 pick

That is a lot of money involved in this pick.

1. Automatic starter or starting before the end of the season
2. There has been very few CBs drafted high (after a few years CBs switched to FS/SS)
3. 2nd Round QBs rarely pan out just as 1st round
4. More pressing needs at DE/OLB
5. We already have 2 rookie CBs going into there 2nd year with the team
6. Locker came from a Pro Style offense and was considered the Top QB last year.

I would prefer Locker, or an OLB with great pass rushing skills. I need to see our new coach with a QB he can groom this year. But if they are going to wait till the next draft I think by day two we will have a good idea.

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by chriscream on Jan 12, 2011 6:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Depends on if the rookie wage scale is in place.

And I don’t think DE/OLB is a bigger need than CB, while the two rookie CBs were lower round picks. I agree that Locker is the QB I would target in the first round but it depends on if Harbaugh is sure he can mold him as JH wants.

by Joshuahss on Jan 12, 2011 6:21 AM PST up reply actions  

This is correct to a point.

But you still need a guy with the talent to make all of the throws. Forcing a QB into the wrong system is a bad idea but a good OC/HC will make the right selection and adjust the offense as necessary. I think some people are taking a limited view on the type of offense that will be run just because Harbaugh said we will run the WCO.

by Joshuahss on Jan 12, 2011 6:24 AM PST up reply actions  

This is true..

We don’t know how he’ll modify the WCO, but the original was a damn complicated system.

I can’t see how you’d make it somehow simpler and not get annihilated. The Tampa 2 was created in part as a counter to most West Coast type plays.

If anything his system will have to be more complicated than the original we ran in the 80’s.

I see another side where people are taking a limited view on talent.

You (not you personally, in general) see the idiot talking heads on ESPN list their “Top 5” and anyone who’s name is not mentioned all of a sudden is considered by everyone as the Ford truck in a showroom full of Porches and Ferrarris.

The talking heads are wrong as much or more than they are right.

by Ougadas on Jan 12, 2011 7:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Very true.

I think this situation will be hard to predict as no one knows what Harbaugh is thinking. I trust his opinion as to what QB will fit his system and the coaching staff molding the guy into the position. For me the situation a player arrives is almost as important as how much ability he may have, and if handled correctly I could see any of the top 8 or so QBs succeeding eventually. The problem for the Niners is pro readiness because of how close they might think they are, which might eliminate projects such as Newton or Kaepernick.

by Joshuahss on Jan 12, 2011 7:51 AM PST up reply actions  

I believe Clements will likely be gone unless he restructures his deal.

But it depends on if Harbaugh sees a QB that he likes. Harbaugh has seen plenty of Locker the last few years and I wonder how he feels about him. Drafting a CB, especially one with lockdown potential such as Peterson, would absolutely make sense if Harbaugh had a QB targeted in the 2nd round or via trade.

by Joshuahss on Jan 12, 2011 6:17 AM PST up reply actions  

I think so too

I don’t see him giving that money away. On the other hand, it’s not like he gives himself a lot of options with what is looking like a very limited window for free agency.

by hudd07 on Jan 12, 2011 11:54 AM PST up reply actions  

I won't mind if he is gone

Great in run support and tackling, but your number 1 job as a CB is to cover and he gets beat deep way too often to justify keeping him on the field. I knew he bit on double moves a bit when we signed him, but good god it’s way worse than I ever thought

by monkey spanker on Jan 12, 2011 10:57 PM PST up reply actions  

I like it alot...

But Peterson falling to #7 is just slightly less wild fantasy than being able to trade up for Luck (before he declared a return to Stanford).

In my opinion he gives Fairely a run for the best player in the draft.

If he falls past Denver at #2, he’ll have to make it by Cincy if they lose Joseph, and if he falls past Cincy the Browns will take him at #6 and pair him with Joe Haden and have the best young CB tandem in the league.

At least make these mildly realistic… it seems like you started with the #7 pick and then filled out the top 6 to make it happen.

by Ougadas on Jan 12, 2011 6:03 AM PST reply actions  

This I do not agree with.

Players fall all the time and very few CBs are taken that high for one reason or another. While I think the scenario is optimistic I wouldn’t say its completely implausible. There are definate reasons I could see teams passing on him before the Niners.

by Joshuahss on Jan 12, 2011 6:26 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

40 time will be his bread and butter

Anything less than a 4.4 he will fall.

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by chriscream on Jan 12, 2011 7:01 AM PST up reply actions  

I still don't understand why so many teams fall in love with combine numbers.

I’m glad it worked out for us with Vernon Davis, but looking at some of the busts whose stock soared at the combine is scary. I hope Peterson runs just poorly enough to drop to number 7, unless Harbaugh has a QBOTF in mind at that slot.

by Joshuahss on Jan 12, 2011 7:22 AM PST up reply actions  

okay

So you would draft a CB’s in the top 10 of the draft with a sub 4.5 speed?

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by chriscream on Jan 12, 2011 8:34 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm not saying that.

But I think if he runs a little slower than expected his stock could drop a bit without much reason. Too many teams are caught up in the numbers. If something sticks out as an obvious issue thats one thing, otherwise trust the tape.

by Joshuahss on Jan 12, 2011 8:45 AM PST up reply actions  

But it is part of the equation

The tape, 40 time, interview and pro day. This will give of what type of player you are going to get. But to say that he runs 4.5 and still get top 10 money is out the question. top 10 money I would invest in QB, but I can be swayed by #fingerscrossed Pro Day. But I am focused on Locker.

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by chriscream on Jan 12, 2011 8:57 AM PST up reply actions  

No

WE get caught up in the numbers. Teams ALL look at the game tape over the Combine.

by hudd07 on Jan 12, 2011 11:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Depending on the situation... yes.

Take last year for instance.

Joe Haden ran a 4.57 at the combine.

In mock drafts that hurt his draft stock so much that we were supposed to be making a big reach taking him at the 10 spot.

Wish that had happened.

by Ougadas on Jan 12, 2011 12:28 PM PST up reply actions  

haden had a good rookie year.

wish we got him.

earl thomas and joe haden would have been a good draft.

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 12, 2011 12:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m hoping we trade back and take Harris.

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by rlott#42 on Jan 12, 2011 8:33 AM PST reply actions  

Casey Mathew's , that's all ...!!

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by Edggy on Jan 12, 2011 8:33 AM PST reply actions  

I would love to snag him

Ideally in the 3rd. He is the light version of his brother, same speed and drive and focus, just a little smaller. Him flying around on special teams and coming off the edge would be great

by monkey spanker on Jan 12, 2011 10:52 PM PST up reply actions  

If Matthews runs well at the combine, he could sneak into the high second or even early first.

by MinerNiner on Jan 13, 2011 7:16 PM PST up reply actions  

late first, I meant.

by MinerNiner on Jan 13, 2011 7:16 PM PST up reply actions  

He's a 4-3 OLB right now.

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by manraj7 on Jan 13, 2011 7:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Do teams not like 4-3 OLBs in the first?

by MinerNiner on Jan 13, 2011 7:40 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not sure

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by manraj7 on Jan 13, 2011 7:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Late first?

No way. Late 2nd is the highest for him. He isn’t the elite talent his brother was. Just remember where Sergio Kindle went and he was an elite pass rusher in college.

by hudd07 on Jan 14, 2011 3:24 PM PST up reply actions  

What elite talent that Clay was.

Clay only started his senior year and had a whopping 4.5 sacks. Sure Clay is great now, but Casey started playing as a true freshman, and started his last 3 years. I think Casey will be great and I like that everyone thinks his brother is so much more talented than he is so he will fall and the 49ers can get him in the second, he wont fall to the 3rd.

by ericalancanty on Jan 16, 2011 1:41 AM PST up reply actions  

He played ILB for Oregon, and is projected to be an ILB in the draft that could move to OLB.

He is 1 inch shorter than Clay and 5 lbs lighter than Clay was when Clay was drafted. Clay was 240 lbs and Casey is 235. Casey also has WAY more playing experience in college. Casey is a beast and I would love to see him in red and gold.

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I love Oregon players

they are usually fast.

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by manraj7 on Jan 16, 2011 10:44 AM PST up reply actions  

How do you expect this to happen?

Considering he is almost a lock to go first or second. This about as unrealistic as the people wanting to get Andrew Luck. After his performance at the National Championship game I think he has all by locked up the first overall pick.

by Joshuahss on Jan 12, 2011 9:15 AM PST up reply actions  

aside from elite Quarterbacks and people named Ndamukong Suh

there is no such thing as a top 2 lock. people fall in the draft.

We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.

by these3words on Jan 14, 2011 7:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Can we ask people to change their names to Suh?

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by manraj7 on Jan 14, 2011 9:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Nick Fairley would probably refuse.

he probably thinks he’s better than Ndamukong Suh.

We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.

by these3words on Jan 14, 2011 12:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Haha

no one is better than Suh that is in college right now.

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by manraj7 on Jan 14, 2011 1:08 PM PST up reply actions  

it would be fair to say he is likely to go top 2.

calling him a lock would be a major assumption.

you would be assuming nothing comes up at the combine, like a medical issue or his workouts don’t go as well as expected.

you would be assuming that the scouting departments for two specific teams, the Panthers and Broncos, are seeing the same things in Fairley that the general public sees.

you would be assuming the Panthers don’t want A.J Green or Da’Quan Baowers more than Nick Fairley, or that if they do then the Broncos wouldn’t take Patrick Peterson.

Nick Fairley is one of the best prospects in this year’s draft, but he is no more of a “lock” to go top 2 than Crabtree was to go top 5.

We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.

by these3words on Jan 14, 2011 3:44 PM PST up reply actions  

painful to watch this mock and some comments too

The bills need an OT BUT! Derrek Sherrod ?? and that high? wow… The top 2 OTs in tihs draft are Tyron Smith and Nate solder and both of these guys are mid-late 1st round prospects.

Greg Jones top 5??? ouch! thats and ILB SMH AND!! he had a mediocre bowl game.

Deandre McDaniel…. SMH top 10? at best he is a mid to late 2nd round prospect. He has major character issues.

And wow Stefen Wisniewski after that… A center?! when they need Defensive help?!?!?!?!?! and a C?!?!

And i could go on… but wow just wow.

by Xan101 on Jan 12, 2011 9:07 AM PST reply actions  

Your comment is virtually unreadable.

But I’d like to see your mock draft instead of just ripping someone else’s opinion without any supporting details, besides he had one mediocre game. Disagreeing is one thing but please back up your argument.

by Joshuahss on Jan 12, 2011 9:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Sherrod is the best OT in the draft. An OT always gets taken in the too 10.

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by manraj7 on Jan 12, 2011 9:57 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Every year since like 1970 right?

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1. Jake Locker QB Wasington 2. Jimmy Smith CB Colorado (or Best CB Available) 3. Christian Ballard DE Iowa 4a. Owen Marecic FB/ST Stanford 4b. Kai Forbath K UCLA 5. Running Back 6a. Defensive Lineman 6b. Guard or Center 7. Whatever's left!

by See Jay on Jan 12, 2011 10:15 AM PST up reply actions  

ever since I was alive

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by manraj7 on Jan 12, 2011 10:16 AM PST up reply actions  

actually 2005 first one drafted in 13

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by manraj7 on Jan 12, 2011 10:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Anybody know anything about Ras-I Dowling?

His name has come up among top CB’s but don’t know much about him.

Draft Nick Fairley

by REDANDGOLD8 on Jan 12, 2011 10:03 AM PST reply actions  

He got hurt, missed most of this year

and is expected to tumble to the third round I believe

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by See Jay on Jan 12, 2011 10:15 AM PST up reply actions  

this

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by manraj7 on Jan 12, 2011 10:17 AM PST up reply actions  

If he is there in the third

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by manraj7 on Jan 12, 2011 10:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Ras-I Dowling

he is big and can tackle but his coverage skills are mediocre.

3rd round prospect at best, not really a good value pick until the 4th.

We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.

by these3words on Jan 14, 2011 7:47 AM PST up reply actions  

ludicrous

His coverage skills firstly are better than mediocre. He played damn near the entire season hurt.

He’s basically Nate Clements Jr and its just a different style of play. He is no lower than a 2nd.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 14, 2011 11:09 AM PST up reply actions  

he is not as athletic as Nate Clements was in his early years.

if there’s one position where i don’t want to draft an athletically limited player in the first 2 rounds, it’s cornerback.

We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.

by these3words on Jan 14, 2011 1:05 PM PST up reply actions  

This is what I got so far.

1. Carolina (2-14) Nick Fairley DT Auburn
2. Denver (4-12) Marcel Daerus DE Alabama
3. Buffalo (4-12) AJ Green WR Georgia
4. Cincinnati (4-12) Robert Quinn DE UNC
5. Arizona (5-11) Cam Newton QB Auburn
6. Cleveland (5-11) DaQuan Bowers DE Clemsom
7. San Francisco (6-10) Patrick Peterson CB LSU
8. Tennessee (6-10) Blaine Gabbert QB Missouri
9. Dallas (6-10) Prince Amukamara CB Nebraska
10. Washington (6-10) Jake Locker QB UW
11. Houston (6-10) Stephen Paea DT Oregon State
12. Minnesota (6-10) Ryan Mallett QB Arkansas
13. Detroit (6-10) Akeem Ayers LB UCLA
14. St. Louis (7-9) Julio Jones WR Alabama
15. Miami (7-9) Mark Ingram RB Alabama
16. Jacksonville (8-8) Brandon Harris CB Miami
17. New England – from Oakland (8-8) Von Miller OLB Texas A&M
18. San Diego (9-7) Cameron Jordan DE Cal
19. New York Giants (10-6) Derek Sherrod OT Mississippi
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by manraj7 on Jan 12, 2011 10:20 AM PST reply actions  

and in my draft

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by manraj7 on Jan 12, 2011 10:26 AM PST up reply actions  

I think Cleveland grabs Peterson at 6 if he falls to that spot.
I agree with Locker to Washington at 10 if it shakes out this way… don’t see him getting past Shannahan

by 49erDude on Jan 12, 2011 10:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Cleveland just grabbed Haden

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by manraj7 on Jan 12, 2011 10:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Haden and Peterson would give them a good young secondary. Not saying it will happen, but it’s definitely a possibility.

by 49erDude on Jan 12, 2011 11:04 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't see it happening

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by manraj7 on Jan 12, 2011 11:07 AM PST up reply actions  

yeah I don't think they spend two consecutive high firsts on DBs

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by See Jay on Jan 12, 2011 11:15 AM PST up reply actions  

why not?

they need a starter across from Haden. Eric Wright is a free agent and i keep hearing about how bad he sucks.

We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.

by these3words on Jan 14, 2011 7:50 AM PST up reply actions  

I hope they don't take PP

But don’t they have other more pressing needs?

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by manraj7 on Jan 14, 2011 9:27 AM PST up reply actions  

WR is a pretty pressing need.

but if A.J Green is gone and PP is still there, i would bet they take PP.

We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.

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Maybe I would ask a browns fan but I don't know any

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by manraj7 on Jan 14, 2011 1:17 PM PST up reply actions  

just found this fanpost:

http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2011/1/11/1928298/browns-1st-round-pick

more than half of them think they will draft a pass rusher with their first pick.

We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.

by these3words on Jan 14, 2011 1:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Why do you need TWO elite WRs?

I mean think about it, you want to pay TWO guys #1 DB money when one is shutting down a #2 WR? It’s overkill. You need one REALLY good DB to shut down the #1 WR, then you need a guy that can cover the Josh Morgan’s of the league. You don’t need Patrick Peterson at the top of the draft for that.

by hudd07 on Jan 14, 2011 3:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Oops

Title should be why do you think you need TWO elite DBs

by hudd07 on Jan 14, 2011 3:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Well sometimes they have an elite QB

That makes every WR a threat.

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by manraj7 on Jan 14, 2011 4:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Plus there are two type of awesome WR

The physical type and the speedy ones. You need one for both.

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by manraj7 on Jan 14, 2011 4:00 PM PST up reply actions  

two elite CBs would make it near impossible

for the offense to get a passing game going with any level of consistency.

not very many teams can beat you if they can’t get their passing game into rhythm at all.

We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.

by these3words on Jan 16, 2011 2:39 AM PST up reply actions  

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by manraj7 on Jan 16, 2011 10:45 AM PST up reply actions  

It's a luxury

We don’t have that ability. We just need one. But it’s also why I don’t think teams will have another elite #1 DB covering the 2nd WR.

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Doesn't need to be elite just above average.

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by manraj7 on Jan 17, 2011 6:39 PM PST up reply actions  

the rest of it

21. Kansas City* (10-6) JJ Watt DE Wisco
22. Indianapolis* (10-6) Anthony Castanzo OT BYU
23. Philadelphia* (10-6) Gabe Camri OT Wisconsin
24. New Orleans* (11-5) Cameron Heyward DE Ohio

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by manraj7 on Jan 12, 2011 10:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Anthony Castonzo is from Boston College.

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by these3words on Jan 14, 2011 7:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Ya someone on MTD told me that its been changed

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by manraj7 on Jan 14, 2011 9:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Daerus is the best 3-4 DE in the NCAA

The Broncos run the 3-4

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by manraj7 on Jan 12, 2011 12:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Excuse me?

How do you know they run the 3-4? They don’t even have a coach or DC yet.

Don’t see them taking a 3-4 DE with the 2nd pick. It’s not an impact position in a 3-4.

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They have a beast 3-4 OLB

You may have heard of him he lead the league in Sacks in 2009 and tore his Pectoral muscle before this season?

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by manraj7 on Jan 12, 2011 12:08 PM PST up reply actions  

And?

So that’s the only picks they have right? They can only go OLB and DE? So that’s why it’s Daerus?

Why not AJ Green? Why not Quinn and have probably the best set of pass rushers in the league? Patrick Peterson maybe? They have a lot of holes, I just don’t see it being used on a 3-4 end. Also, you assume they go 3-4 when if I remember right, Dumervill played End originally in a 4-3. It’s not a given, especially when they don’t have the ends for that defense, the nose tackle, etc…You have them using the #2 pick on a guy that Scouts Inc has 5th best prospect, and I know we dislike Kiper, but whom Kiper has as 6th best prospect and an ideal penetrating 4-3 DT.

by hudd07 on Jan 12, 2011 12:12 PM PST up reply actions  

You asked about Bowers. Bowers is a 4-3 DE.

I don’t see them lose Champ so no go on the CB. The offense isn’t the problem on the team. The run D has been horrible in the mile high city. The D-Line in the 3-4 shuts down the run. The pass rush will improve when Dumervill comes back. They could go with Quinn but he has spent a year off from football so it worries me a little.

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by manraj7 on Jan 12, 2011 12:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I said Bowers goes before those guys

You said they would pick Daerus because they needed a 3-4 DE which is why I switched to that. I just don’t see it man.

I guess we can agree to disagree. Daerus is a decent prospect, just don’t see 3-4 DE being filled at 2. Just seems crazy to grab a guy in that position so early.

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Best 3-4 DE prospect

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by manraj7 on Jan 12, 2011 12:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Kiper thinks he is a 4-3 DT

I read the report on him, that said he had the SIZE to play 3-4, but it’s not his game.

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He plays 3-4 DE right now.

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by manraj7 on Jan 12, 2011 12:40 PM PST up reply actions  

touche

Obviously he plays the position well enough to be 6th rated prospect. Didn’t even think about Alabama playing a 3-4 which is retarded considering I was in love with Mount Cody last year.

by hudd07 on Jan 12, 2011 12:44 PM PST up reply actions  

The second best is Adrian Clayborn

Huge difference between the two.

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by manraj7 on Jan 12, 2011 12:51 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree

but I just don’t see Denver with a new HC grabbing a 3-4 DE with the 2nd pick. Just don’t see it.

I’m not arguing with you about the best 3-4 DE. I agree with you there. You are just saying for sure they are running a 3-4, and I said to hold on, there is no HC, no DC, etc…so we don’t know what they are running, and even if they do run a 3-4, I’m not convinced that’s their pick.

by hudd07 on Jan 12, 2011 12:59 PM PST up reply actions  

2nd worst rush defense

when it comes from YPC.

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by manraj7 on Jan 12, 2011 1:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Yards don't tell the story

Worst stat you could point to. The reason they gave up so many rushing yards could be the fact that they were ALWAYS behind, and teams were running on them a lot. While I do think their defense needs a LOT of help, still don’t see 2nd pick on a 3-4 DE.

Fox interviewed today, guess what defense he ran in CAR? Still convinced they stay with a 3-4? Still convinced it’s Daerus instead of Bowers? That’s all I’m telling you, don’t be convinced in your prediction when they havn’t even committed to a defense yet or even HC. I still stand by my original statement, I think Bowers goes before Daerus.

by hudd07 on Jan 12, 2011 2:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Yards per carry

2nd worst with a ranking of 4.7 ypc.

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by manraj7 on Jan 12, 2011 3:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I just think that if they stick with the 3-4 then Daerus will be the pick.

If they go with a 4-3 they will pick Bowers.

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by manraj7 on Jan 12, 2011 3:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Fox is HC

Still think Daerus is the 2nd pick? NOPE

by hudd07 on Jan 14, 2011 3:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Depends whose the DC is.

And I didn’t know that before I made the mock draft.

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by manraj7 on Jan 14, 2011 4:01 PM PST up reply actions  

i wouldn't be too sure of this.

the footage of Da’Quan Bowers does not support the hype.

We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.

by these3words on Jan 14, 2011 7:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Ok

from untrained eyes. Guess time will tell.

by hudd07 on Jan 14, 2011 3:31 PM PST up reply actions  

I believe your mock is far more realistic

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by youALREADYknow on Jan 12, 2011 6:04 PM PST up reply actions  

You like it?

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by manraj7 on Jan 12, 2011 6:09 PM PST up reply actions  

It's very close to what I expect to happen

Aside from Peterson being available at #7 which I consider a pipe dream.

Also have serious doubts that 4 QB’s from this draft will be selected in the top 15. I’d be surprised if 3 were taken in the 1st round.

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by youALREADYknow on Jan 12, 2011 6:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Those teams need QBs though.

But the first 6 works so I can see Peterson slip to us.

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by manraj7 on Jan 12, 2011 7:18 PM PST up reply actions  

4 is probably a lot

But for sure, QBs are always prioritized…granted, the talent level this year is iffy at best, but I think we will be surprised in the draft this year.

by hudd07 on Jan 12, 2011 9:30 PM PST up reply actions  

The first corner last year wasn't taken until the 7th pick...

I am so sure that it is soooooOOOO far from reality.

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 13, 2011 3:54 PM PST up reply actions  

The first corner last year was Joe Haden

The first corner this year is Patrick Peterson.

Any questions? Seriously… any questions?

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by youALREADYknow on Jan 13, 2011 6:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Joe Haden wasn't that bad.

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by manraj7 on Jan 13, 2011 6:42 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Exactly...

Joe Haden had a great year. I’d be happy if Peterson repeated the same success.

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 13, 2011 7:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Would be happier if he did that wearing the red and gold

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by manraj7 on Jan 13, 2011 7:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Well he didn't

so we can move on to the next hope at that position.

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 13, 2011 8:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I would be happier if PP was wearing red and gold next year when he has a great year.

That what I meant.

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by manraj7 on Jan 13, 2011 8:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Well it's possible...

despite what other people may believe.

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 13, 2011 8:01 PM PST up reply actions  

It totally possible

My draft also has him slipping to #7.

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by manraj7 on Jan 13, 2011 8:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Haden had more question marks than Peterson

If you ask me.

Also last year was a LOT better draft in the first round. Peterson is top 5 pick this year.

by hudd07 on Jan 14, 2011 3:32 PM PST up reply actions  

So what you are saying is that it is impossible that Amukamara (who on 50% of boards is better than Peterson) has ZERO chance of being selected ahead of Peterson?

I’m sorry, but last years draft made me realize that NOTHING is IMPOSSIBLE.

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 15, 2011 12:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I actually think that Prince may be the better overall corner.

Mostly because of his size and strength. Which helps a lot in the run game. But I don’t like him at all since CB are supposed to cover and he benefits from a really good pass rush.

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by manraj7 on Jan 15, 2011 12:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Peterson weighs more and they are the same hieght.

Peterson may actually be more physical. But Prince could possess better coverage skills. I actually think that this years combine, should both participate, may dictate their positioning in the draft.

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 15, 2011 12:48 PM PST up reply actions  

I always thought that it was the other way around.

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by manraj7 on Jan 15, 2011 12:49 PM PST up reply actions  

I like Prince...and I've chosen him at #7 in severeal of my mocks..

But Justin Blackmon.. that’s all I have to say about Prince..

I hope Peterson is still there at #7.

by Ougadas on Jan 15, 2011 12:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Ya that was a horrible game.

I would rather go OLB or QB than Prince.

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by manraj7 on Jan 15, 2011 12:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Don't judge a young CB by one game

His coverage wasn’t bad. He was with him step for step but he screwed a few times attacking the ball in the air.

It's Whore-baugh, remember?

by bignerd on Jan 15, 2011 7:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Thats NFL level talent right there.

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by manraj7 on Jan 16, 2011 10:45 AM PST up reply actions  

That's my point

Probably his first experience ever going against a guy as big and fast as him. His performance wasn’t all that bad. He missed a lot of balls in the air which happens at the position. He was getting beat by 2-3 steps each play than it’s a red flag. You got give him time to adjust. T.O. used to eat Charles Woodson for lunch at one time too.

If you ask me Blackmon is head and shoulders above Crabtree so I’m considering the competition too.

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by bignerd on Jan 16, 2011 2:31 PM PST up reply actions  

PP shut down quality WR

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by manraj7 on Jan 16, 2011 3:12 PM PST up reply actions  

And I am SURE that the is NO POSSIBLE way on this earth

that ANY player could have a subpar performance at the combine and his stock could drop…

You heard it here first folks… you ALREADYknow is predicting that there is NO CHANCE IN HELL that Patrick Peterson could fall to us.

Any questions?? Seriously… any questions??

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 13, 2011 7:55 PM PST up reply actions  

So you are saying we should sabotage his combine?

I got it I’ll rig the time thingy. Then the bench press I’ll push down on the bar. MUHAHAHAHAHAHA victory shall be ours.

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by manraj7 on Jan 13, 2011 8:00 PM PST up reply actions  

There's no way, I agree.

He’s too highly regarded as a sure thing… no matter what happens at the combine and pro-day, he’s not falling out of the top five.

by Delmuir on Jan 14, 2011 9:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Ok.... we will see.

There was “no way” Jimmy Calusen was supposed to be a 2nd rounder last year. Nobody thought that Colt McCoy was gonna be a 3rd rounder. EVERYONE thought that there was NO WAY Tebow was a 1st rounder. Russell Okung was for sure a top 5 guy, remember that? Several 2nd rounders and 3rd rounders even had been mocked in the 1st round.

To say it is impossible for him to fall to the 7th pick is just being flat out closed minded and in way pretty naive.

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 15, 2011 12:41 PM PST up reply actions  

The truth is that no one knows whats going to happen in the draft.

Its kind of like ST its drawn up perfectly then as soon as the ball is kicked hell breaks loose.

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by manraj7 on Jan 15, 2011 12:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I dunno

its a copy cat league and Vick has been pretty good.

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by manraj7 on Jan 12, 2011 9:51 PM PST up reply actions  

I promised, though!!

Jealous cuz fiends got they work and complained.....

by rlott#42 on Jan 13, 2011 9:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Hater

I’ll think of some other way to give the Cards a player.

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by manraj7 on Jan 13, 2011 10:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Drafttek's new mock for 1/12

is interesting.

1) JJ Watt DE Wisconsin
2) Christian Ponder QB Florida State
3) Alfonzo Dennard CB Nebraska
4a) Sione Fua NT Stanford
4b) Tim Barnes C Missouri
5) Noel Devine RB West Virginia
6a) Cecil Shorts WR Mount Union
6b) Johnny Brown FS Ole Miss
7) Cliff Matthews OLB South Carolina

Stolen from manraj7, with some additions:
1. Jake Locker QB Wasington 2. Jimmy Smith CB Colorado (or Best CB Available) 3. Christian Ballard DE Iowa 4a. Owen Marecic FB/ST Stanford 4b. Kai Forbath K UCLA 5. Running Back 6a. Defensive Lineman 6b. Guard or Center 7. Whatever's left!

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Haha I was gonna edit my sig to add Sione Fua

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by manraj7 on Jan 12, 2011 11:07 AM PST up reply actions  

edit and add Noel Devine please.

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by rlott#42 on Jan 12, 2011 9:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I might change up the whole thing now.

I am going to have to think this out. Thanks to new information. Give me two weeks and everything shall change.

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by manraj7 on Jan 12, 2011 9:54 PM PST up reply actions  

watching film on Ponder right now

He has a really quick release and does a good job stepping up in the pocket. Also he’s pretty quick on the run… similar to Alex Smith in that regard. Tends to throw some balls a bit high… has a nice pump fake, but tends to stare down his man and his play action fakes are just plain bad. Throws his man open at times (a couple of nice ones against North Carolina) but makes some really questionable decisions at times too.

I’m warming up to the guy. He just needs to be groomed a bit.

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1. Jake Locker QB Wasington 2. Jimmy Smith CB Colorado (or Best CB Available) 3. Christian Ballard DE Iowa 4a. Owen Marecic FB/ST Stanford 4b. Kai Forbath K UCLA 5. Running Back 6a. Defensive Lineman 6b. Guard or Center 7. Whatever's left!

by See Jay on Jan 12, 2011 11:14 AM PST up reply actions  

My Mock

1. Carolina (2-14) – AJ Green
2. Denver (4-12) – Patrick Peterson
3. Buffalo (4-12) – Robert Quinn
4. Cincinnati (4-12) – Ryan Mallett
5. Arizona (5-11) – Von Miller
6. Cleveland (5-11) – Julio Jones
7. San Francisco (6-10) – Pat Devlin
8. Tennessee (6-10) – Blaine Gabbert
9. Dallas (6-10) – Marcell Dareus
10. Washington (6-10) – Nick Fairely
11. Houston (6-10) – Brandon Harris
12. Minnesota (6-10) – Gabe Carimi
13. Detroit (6-10) – Derrek Sherrod
14. St. Louis (7-9) – Justin Blackmon
15. Miami (7-9) – Ryan Kerrigan
16. Jacksonville (8-8) – Leonard Hankerson
17. New England (from Oakland 8-8) – JJ Watts

  • Is where the Patriots ruin the mock by trading making a half dozen trades

1.QB Pat Devlin 2.CB Jalil Brown 3.CB Kendric Burney 4. Guard 4.S Tyler Sash 5.RB Brandon Saine 6.WR Tandon Doss 6. Nose Tackle 7. Kicker 7.QB Tyrod Taylor

by supraman on Jan 12, 2011 11:50 AM PST reply actions  

Nevermind Blackmon is returning to school

1.QB Pat Devlin 2.CB Jalil Brown 3.CB Kendric Burney 4. Guard 4.S Tyler Sash 5.RB Brandon Saine 6.WR Tandon Doss 6. Nose Tackle 7. Kicker 7.QB Tyrod Taylor

by supraman on Jan 12, 2011 11:55 AM PST up reply actions  

You say nevermind and it's about Blackmon? Yikes

I mean Pat Devlin at #7? Nick Fairely to 10? I mean geez, that’s crazy. If he falls, he won’t last past us I can promise you that. As for Devlin, he is decent, but not at 7. Not with Locker, Gabbert, etc…still on the board. I mean Devlin as first QB taken?

YUCK

by hudd07 on Jan 12, 2011 12:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't have Locker in the 1st two rounds

Fairely only drops due to his dirty play. If we franchise Franklin again, it’s very conceivable that the 49ers would pass on Fairely for a franchise QB. So, who do you see NOT skipping out on Fairley for any of the previous players picked before him?

In my personal opinion I believe Pat Devlin is better than Gabbert. He’s going to have to do some board climbing, but he’s a QB that progresses through all of his reads, has a strong arm, a very accurate arm, and mobile.

1.QB Pat Devlin 2.CB Jalil Brown 3.CB Kendric Burney 4. Guard 4.S Tyler Sash 5.RB Brandon Saine 6.WR Tandon Doss 6. Nose Tackle 7. Kicker 7.QB Tyrod Taylor

by supraman on Jan 12, 2011 12:18 PM PST up reply actions  

A lot of teams like their interior lineman mean.

that’s a nasty position, that should be filled with nasty player. He does some cheap shot stuff, but not enough to keep him from being a top 3 pick. I don’t think ANY team would pass on him. You asked which do I see NOT skipping out, I think every team in the top 10 would be stoked to get that guy.

CAR needs a LOT of help on the DL, one of their biggest needs, and with Rivera coming in and saying he is going to run a 4-3 I think Fairely is a lock.
BUF, CIN, AZ, and CLE needs a ton of help on the DL as well. I mean could you imagine pairing Fairely on the DL with Dockett in AZ? That’s a NASTY NASTY DL to play against for 2 years. I just don’t see a guy that’s compared to Suh falling that far.

I actually like Devlin so I’m on your side with how good he is, but not at 7. No way he goes in the first round.

by hudd07 on Jan 12, 2011 12:31 PM PST up reply actions  

You asked which do I see NOT skipping out, I think every team in the top 10 would be stoked to get that guy.

Yes, and I agree, so who are you taking off the board?

1.QB Pat Devlin 2.CB Jalil Brown 3.CB Kendric Burney 4. Guard 4.S Tyler Sash 5.RB Brandon Saine 6.WR Tandon Doss 6. Nose Tackle 7. Kicker 7.QB Tyrod Taylor

by supraman on Jan 12, 2011 12:38 PM PST up reply actions  

AJ Green to be honest. I think CAR would love Fairely.

Another easy guess to me is Julio Jones to CLE. I think we take Fairely over Pat Devlin.

by hudd07 on Jan 12, 2011 12:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Isn’t Devlin projected as a late rounder?

by SanFranciscoKnights on Jan 12, 2011 11:58 AM PST up reply actions  

I have faith that Devlin will move up the board come April

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by supraman on Jan 12, 2011 12:01 PM PST up reply actions  

this

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by manraj7 on Jan 12, 2011 12:08 PM PST up reply actions  

this isn't even accurate

since he’s the 2nd QB taken off the board.

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by supraman on Jan 12, 2011 12:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Still how big of a combine do you think he is going to have?

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by manraj7 on Jan 12, 2011 12:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Combine?

Quarterbacks don’t care about the combine. It’s all about Pro Day, Private Workouts, and the upcoming East-West Shrine Game.

He’s going to have to be stellar; nothing less.

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by supraman on Jan 12, 2011 12:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes

Now he’s not going to draw comparisons Flacco, Cutler, and Stafford

but

He has arm strength comparable to Matt Ryan. And again yes, he throws a very nice deep ball. Unfortunately he’s in an ultra-conservative offense.

1.QB Pat Devlin 2.CB Jalil Brown 3.CB Kendric Burney 4. Guard 4.S Tyler Sash 5.RB Brandon Saine 6.WR Tandon Doss 6. Nose Tackle 7. Kicker 7.QB Tyrod Taylor

by supraman on Jan 12, 2011 12:33 PM PST up reply actions  

According to scouts

his release is sloooow

Is it draft day yet?

by See Jay on Jan 12, 2011 12:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Can you cite that with a link?

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by supraman on Jan 12, 2011 12:48 PM PST up reply actions  

http://www.nfldraft101.com/draft/profiles/player/120034/Pat_Devlin.jsp

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by manraj7 on Jan 12, 2011 12:58 PM PST up reply actions  

I meant, where did sanguines find a link from a scout...

saying Pat Devlin had a slow release

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by supraman on Jan 12, 2011 1:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh well that guy says fast release,

I’ll watch some tape on him late today.

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by manraj7 on Jan 12, 2011 1:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Quick (and small) start on the tape...

Don’t mind the first throw.. that one is in slow motion.

Still looks as fast as some of the other prospects though.

by Ougadas on Jan 12, 2011 1:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Don't look at highlights

They are just good things

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by manraj7 on Jan 12, 2011 1:27 PM PST up reply actions  

That's true..

But it’s just a start.

Though release and mechanics usually stay pretty consistent from throw to throw.

by Ougadas on Jan 12, 2011 1:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Thats 09

supposedly he improved his mechanics. I’m hunting for 10. I will find them and I will deliver them. I wish you guys haven’t told me about him. Now I’m really interested in this kid.

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by manraj7 on Jan 12, 2011 1:48 PM PST up reply actions  

2010 Stats: Just because ESPN doesn't have the totals

completions – 261
attempts – 384
passing yards – 3032
completion percentage – 68%
Yards per attempt – 7.9

1.QB Pat Devlin 2.CB Jalil Brown 3.CB Kendric Burney 4. Guard 4.S Tyler Sash 5.RB Brandon Saine 6.WR Tandon Doss 6. Nose Tackle 7. Kicker 7.QB Tyrod Taylor

by supraman on Jan 12, 2011 1:39 PM PST up reply actions  

kk

I’ll try to find all of his years.

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by manraj7 on Jan 12, 2011 1:40 PM PST up reply actions  

and I worked my magic.

http://stats.nj.com/cfb/players.asp?id=150744

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by manraj7 on Jan 12, 2011 1:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Did he really not throw any picks this year.

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by manraj7 on Jan 12, 2011 1:43 PM PST up reply actions  

No

Regular season 20 TD 2 INT.

Threw 2 more TD’s and 1 INT in the playoffs.

by Ougadas on Jan 12, 2011 1:47 PM PST up reply actions  

These stats must be wrong then.

Damnit. but its the best I could do.

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by manraj7 on Jan 12, 2011 1:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Its right

Just a typo

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by manraj7 on Jan 12, 2011 1:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Weird..

The attempts and completions are right though.

I’ll try my best to put up a 2010 Pat Devlin video by tomorrow

1.QB Pat Devlin 2.CB Jalil Brown 3.CB Kendric Burney 4. Guard 4.S Tyler Sash 5.RB Brandon Saine 6.WR Tandon Doss 6. Nose Tackle 7. Kicker 7.QB Tyrod Taylor

by supraman on Jan 12, 2011 1:54 PM PST up reply actions  

If you look at his 2010 stats

its right.

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by manraj7 on Jan 12, 2011 1:55 PM PST up reply actions  

CBS Sports

Will sail out routes because of his over-the-top delivery

FF Toolbox

Has a windup delivery. Slow, methodical release.

Those are the two I saw.

Is it draft day yet?

by See Jay on Jan 12, 2011 2:22 PM PST up reply actions  

CBS Sports also mentions
Over-the-top delivery with a quick release

and obviously FF Toolbox’s Raul Colon has never actually seen Devlin play. Release speed is something that’s very distinguishable. It’s consistent and not really going to change a whole lot from throw to throw.

Lastly, these are not scouts, they are analysts/reporters.

1.QB Pat Devlin 2.CB Jalil Brown 3.CB Kendric Burney 4. Guard 4.S Tyler Sash 5.RB Brandon Saine 6.WR Tandon Doss 6. Nose Tackle 7. Kicker 7.QB Tyrod Taylor

by supraman on Jan 12, 2011 2:37 PM PST up reply actions  

FF toolbox was from 2010

also he is 6-4

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by manraj7 on Jan 12, 2011 2:48 PM PST up reply actions  

http://www.sidelinescouting.com/rankings/qb/pat-devlin.shtml

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by manraj7 on Jan 12, 2011 2:48 PM PST up reply actions  

My bad

Can’t believe I missed that on CBS.

Is it draft day yet?

by See Jay on Jan 12, 2011 3:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Why?

Is it because Blaine Gabbert, Jake Locker, the etc’s are that much better than Pat Devlin?

What is it that you see in these QBs going ahead of Devlin?

1.QB Pat Devlin 2.CB Jalil Brown 3.CB Kendric Burney 4. Guard 4.S Tyler Sash 5.RB Brandon Saine 6.WR Tandon Doss 6. Nose Tackle 7. Kicker 7.QB Tyrod Taylor

by supraman on Jan 12, 2011 12:36 PM PST up reply actions  

I see all of those guys going in front of him yes.

I think the small school thing will hurt him. Flacco came out of nowhere when he was drafted by Ravens, so it could happen, but just look at the teams he has played against. I think he is a steal in 3rd, and would love him there. I’m just REALLY concerned with 7th pick over a guy that has done it consistently against better competition. It’s just a reach if you ask me and a bit more risky due to the talent level and speed in the FCS.

by hudd07 on Jan 12, 2011 12:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Board Climbing

it starts when he plays in the East-West Shrine game. That way we can see how he plays against better competition.

When Devlin does amazing in practices, how high does he climb?

1.QB Pat Devlin 2.CB Jalil Brown 3.CB Kendric Burney 4. Guard 4.S Tyler Sash 5.RB Brandon Saine 6.WR Tandon Doss 6. Nose Tackle 7. Kicker 7.QB Tyrod Taylor

by supraman on Jan 12, 2011 12:42 PM PST up reply actions  

CBS projects him as a 4th rounder right now

Stolen from manraj7, with some additions:
1. Jake Locker QB Wasington 2. Jimmy Smith CB Colorado (or Best CB Available) 3. Christian Ballard DE Iowa 4a. Owen Marecic FB/ST Stanford 4b. Kai Forbath K UCLA 5. Running Back 6a. Defensive Lineman 6b. Guard or Center 7. Whatever's left!

by See Jay on Jan 12, 2011 12:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I think cincy is going to go WR.

their owner seems to like WR.

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 12, 2011 12:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Fairley that late? highly unlkely we pass on him.

Jealous cuz fiends got they work and complained.....

by rlott#42 on Jan 12, 2011 9:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Teams can trade picks for picks

but not players for players, I believe.

Stolen from manraj7, with some additions:
1. Jake Locker QB Wasington 2. Jimmy Smith CB Colorado (or Best CB Available) 3. Christian Ballard DE Iowa 4a. Owen Marecic FB/ST Stanford 4b. Kai Forbath K UCLA 5. Running Back 6a. Defensive Lineman 6b. Guard or Center 7. Whatever's left!

by See Jay on Jan 12, 2011 11:59 AM PST up reply actions  

yup

To add…Can’t trade players at all, so it’s not just players to players. They can’t trade picks for players, players for picks, etc…

Just picks for other picks.

by hudd07 on Jan 12, 2011 12:01 PM PST up reply actions  

In that case

I can’t see Peterson dropping to 7. Someone is gonna trade into those first 3 or 4 slots and grab him if no one is taking him.

by SanFranciscoKnights on Jan 12, 2011 12:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree.

Personally I think there’s no chance Peterson falls to 7.

Stolen from manraj7, with some additions:
1. Jake Locker QB Wasington 2. Jimmy Smith CB Colorado (or Best CB Available) 3. Christian Ballard DE Iowa 4a. Owen Marecic FB/ST Stanford 4b. Kai Forbath K UCLA 5. Running Back 6a. Defensive Lineman 6b. Guard or Center 7. Whatever's left!

by See Jay on Jan 12, 2011 12:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Theres a chance

Always a chance. Also you can kill him with the slants. Julio Jones were able to pick up yards all day on him that way.

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by manraj7 on Jan 12, 2011 12:08 PM PST up reply actions  

There's a chance I could sprout wings and fly to New York, too

but not a big one. =D

Naw, I know it’s possible, just unlikely.

Stolen from manraj7, with some additions:
1. Jake Locker QB Wasington 2. Jimmy Smith CB Colorado (or Best CB Available) 3. Christian Ballard DE Iowa 4a. Owen Marecic FB/ST Stanford 4b. Kai Forbath K UCLA 5. Running Back 6a. Defensive Lineman 6b. Guard or Center 7. Whatever's left!

by See Jay on Jan 12, 2011 12:12 PM PST up reply actions  

If you do can I get a ride?

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by manraj7 on Jan 12, 2011 12:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I thought you were driving

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by mikev on Jan 12, 2011 12:39 PM PST up reply actions  

If this guy gets wing I want to fly

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by manraj7 on Jan 12, 2011 12:39 PM PST up reply actions  

RB Needs

So i’ve read that many people think that we need a RB of the future since some think that Gore is too injury prone and Dixon just doesn’t have it in many peoples eyes. What are your guys thoughts of RB Demarco Murray from OU? I’m kind of a homer because i played high school football against the guy and he was just sick. He has been injury prone as well but he’s projected 2-3 round and i think if we can steal him in the 3rd he can be the feature back for us in the future.

by krbalenbin on Jan 12, 2011 12:59 PM PST reply actions  

No, I don't want to draft him.

But I need to understand the ins and out of the WCO before I can speak. Dixon works in a regular offense. I can tell you everything about the defense but give me a week or two on the offense.

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by manraj7 on Jan 12, 2011 2:27 PM PST up reply actions  

yea im not 100%

on the WCO i just know from the looks its quick routes, quick runs, basically a fast acting offense. but i did read that the WCO usually needs to have a RB with some hands because they run a lot of routes out of the backfield. i just know he can be great so it would be nice o see him great with the niners ahha

by krbalenbin on Jan 12, 2011 3:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I haven't seen him very much

but from what I can remember he has great hands.

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by manraj7 on Jan 12, 2011 3:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Why even draft a RB?

Too many are creeping up out of nowhere. A late round pick continues to be as effective as 1st round pick.

It's Whore-baugh, remember?

by bignerd on Jan 12, 2011 2:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Running has more to do with the Line then the actual runner.

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by manraj7 on Jan 12, 2011 3:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Mostly it does

If you give a runner a huge lane they can pick up yards every time. No hole no yards.

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by manraj7 on Jan 13, 2011 10:18 AM PST up reply actions  

If you give a runner a huge lane they can pick up yards every time.

unless they are Brandon Jackson. seriously, that guy looked terrible against the eagles. i saw a giant hole and he got about halfway through it.

We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.

by these3words on Jan 14, 2011 8:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Haha

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by manraj7 on Jan 14, 2011 9:30 AM PST up reply actions  

If your mock draft turns out to be true, I'd be so friggin happy

Patrick Peterson would be an absolute steal at #7. Honestly, I think he’ll go in the top 3-4. But if we land him, that would be perfect.

Having followed my college, UCLA a lot, I think you’re right about Akeem Ayers in the 15-30 range, but way off on Rahim Moore. As much as I like the kid (he’s humble, very nice and a fierce competitor), I doubt he’ll be in the first round. He really demonstrated some critical flaws this past year, and it didn’t have to do with the drop in INTs. He needs to vastly improve his tackling and run support. I’d like to see him in the first round, but my guess is that his poor year will slip him all the way til round 3 or possibly even 4.

by BruinMW on Jan 12, 2011 2:26 PM PST reply actions  

My only worry...

Is that Denver is likely going to convert Champ Bailey to safety and they still have Elvis Dumervil, who led the league in sacks season before this one… He signed the big contract and then got placed on injured reserve the next week…

This makes me think they are likely to take Peterson at #2…

Of course, they could always go QB if they don’t keep Orton around… That would be good, gives the Cards less to look at…

by Takeo33 on Jan 12, 2011 3:26 PM PST reply actions  

They have Tebow

they won’t draft a QB.

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by manraj7 on Jan 12, 2011 3:39 PM PST up reply actions  

they fired the guy who drafted Tebow.

We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.

by these3words on Jan 14, 2011 8:17 AM PST up reply actions  

They like Tebow

hell I like tebow

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by manraj7 on Jan 14, 2011 9:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Yep

With one of the GOAT in the FO, I think they’ll develop him well.

Is it draft day yet?

by See Jay on Jan 14, 2011 8:46 PM PST up reply actions  

how is a guy in the front office

going to develop a quarterback for them?

We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.

by these3words on Jan 15, 2011 1:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Just because he works in the FO

doesn’t mean he can’t have input or work with any players, particularly a QB.

Is it draft day yet?

by See Jay on Jan 15, 2011 10:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Why is he mad?

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by manraj7 on Jan 13, 2011 10:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Bengals and WR corps

The Bengals (who used to have a quite good corps of receivers) will have lost of the last few (3?) years
1) TJ Houshmanzedhah
2) Terrell Owens
3) The Kid that fell off the back of the truck, can’t remember his name at the moment.
4) Looks like Ocho (Oh I so wanna be Randy Moss) Cinco.

That’s a pretty hard core set of receivers and hence a pretty big setback to the team.
I’d be highly surprised if they don’t do what they can to keep JJ.

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 12, 2011 4:46 PM PST reply actions  

They don't spend though usually

They try to get guys that are “character risks” so they can sign them for one year on the cheap.

If JJ wants to get paid, I don’t see them forking out the money. They pay Palmer, and Ocho, and that’s it.

Guy that fell off the truck is Chris Henry

by hudd07 on Jan 12, 2011 6:37 PM PST up reply actions  

I heard they are going to keep JJ.

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by manraj7 on Jan 12, 2011 6:40 PM PST up reply actions  

talk is cheap

Let’s see if they can actually write the check when it comes down to it. This is a team that has the oldest training facility in the league. Players used to bring their own towels with them. Bengals ALWAYS go for the bad character guys, and it’s not because they are firm believers in rehabilitation. It’s because they are CHEAP and they can get elite talent for CHEAP. I really doubt they dole out a large contract for him. Name a guy they have on there, aside from Palmer and Ocho (who they are going to release), that’s highly paid for his position? That’s why Justin Smith got away, etc…

by hudd07 on Jan 12, 2011 9:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Hmm you have a point

I was thinking that they might have changed.

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by manraj7 on Jan 12, 2011 9:40 PM PST up reply actions  

it was JJ himself who said he wanted to stay there.

not just the team saying they wanted to keep him.

We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.

by these3words on Jan 14, 2011 8:20 AM PST up reply actions  

He should come to SF

We will love him like he got drafted him.

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by manraj7 on Jan 14, 2011 9:31 AM PST up reply actions  

lol

you make him sound like an adopted kid.

“we love him like he was born to us…”

We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.

by these3words on Jan 14, 2011 1:02 PM PST up reply actions  

lol

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by manraj7 on Jan 14, 2011 1:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Of course JJ said that

Why would he want to blast his chance of them re-signing him?

I mean if you worked for a company, who was going to offer you a contract extension, wouldn’t you say publicly that you want to go back to that company, even if you know it’s probably going to be less than what’s on the market.

I’m not saying he wouldn’t mind staying there, my whole point is, they don’t pay their players. I doubt he goes back.

by hudd07 on Jan 14, 2011 3:34 PM PST up reply actions  

now that i think about it

he was talking specifically about the franchise tag. he said if he was franchised he would sign it on the first day.

it made him sound eager to be there, but upon further review that scenario involved franchise money.

We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.

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I wouldn't mind being franchised

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by manraj7 on Jan 14, 2011 4:02 PM PST up reply actions  

and neither would JJ, he made that clear.

the question is, will the Bengals franchise him or shy away from the money involved?

We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.

by these3words on Jan 15, 2011 1:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I just hope they burn bridges so we can get JJ.

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by manraj7 on Jan 15, 2011 1:20 PM PST up reply actions  

CNN has an interesting new mock draft out

1. Carolina: QB- Blaine Gabbert, Missouri
2. Denver: DE- Da’Quan Bowers, Clemson
3. Buffalo: DT- Nick Fairley, Auburn
4. Cincinnati DT- Marcell Dareus, Alabama
5. Arizona: CB- Patrick Peterson, LSU
6. Cleveland: WR- AJ Green, Georgia
7. San Francisco: CB- Prince Amukamara, Nebraska

See, i am not the only one that holds Gabbert as the best QB prospect in the draft. Personally, i hope that Arizona goes with Cam Newton, so the 49ers are able to attain Patrick Peterson. However, as it is the 49ers are most likely going to have one of the top two corners available at 7

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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jan 12, 2011 8:10 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Stupid Cards

If they won the last game we would’ve had PP.

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by manraj7 on Jan 12, 2011 8:19 PM PST up reply actions  

But god had a reason for the Cards to win.

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by manraj7 on Jan 12, 2011 8:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Hey Manraj

Jake Locker at #7? Without trading down? A lot of mocks have him going much lower than that. Just an FYI

NFL Draft Site #14

New NFL Draft #13

Walter Camp #15
Just a couple examples

Mock draft 2.0: 1) CB- Prince Amukamara, Nebraska 2) DE- Cameron Jordan, California 3) LB- Bruce Carter, North Carolina 4) WR- Austin Pettis, Boise State 4) QB- Pat Devlin, Deleware 5) RB- Darren Evans, Virginia Tech 6) S- Tejay Johnson, Texas Christian 6) FB- Owen Merecic, Stanford 7) OL- Danny Watkins, Baylor 7) LB- Wayne Daniels, Texas Christian

by nocal81(Vincent) on Jan 12, 2011 8:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Well I don't like to include trade downs.

Too complicated

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by manraj7 on Jan 12, 2011 8:31 PM PST up reply actions  

But if I could I would trade down to around 20ish.

Trade back up again. Pick Brandon Harris and Jimmy Smith. Then with a later round pick possibly second pick up Pat Devlin.

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by manraj7 on Jan 12, 2011 8:35 PM PST up reply actions  

I have us getting Devlin in the 4th

I was going by NFL Draft Sites rankings, however, i do see him going before we pick in the 4th

Mock draft 2.0: 1) CB- Prince Amukamara, Nebraska 2) DE- Cameron Jordan, California 3) LB- Bruce Carter, North Carolina 4) WR- Austin Pettis, Boise State 4) QB- Pat Devlin, Deleware 5) RB- Darren Evans, Virginia Tech 6) S- Tejay Johnson, Texas Christian 6) FB- Owen Merecic, Stanford 7) OL- Danny Watkins, Baylor 7) LB- Wayne Daniels, Texas Christian

by nocal81(Vincent) on Jan 12, 2011 8:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Or the third

Another connection to the Bill Walsh era

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by manraj7 on Jan 12, 2011 8:37 PM PST up reply actions  

I do like Matthews in the 3rd

However, NFL Draft Site has him going before we pick in the 3rd.

Mock draft 2.0: 1) CB- Prince Amukamara, Nebraska 2) DE- Cameron Jordan, California 3) LB- Bruce Carter, North Carolina 4) WR- Austin Pettis, Boise State 4) QB- Pat Devlin, Deleware 5) RB- Darren Evans, Virginia Tech 6) S- Tejay Johnson, Texas Christian 6) FB- Owen Merecic, Stanford 7) OL- Danny Watkins, Baylor 7) LB- Wayne Daniels, Texas Christian

by nocal81(Vincent) on Jan 12, 2011 8:39 PM PST up reply actions  

:(

Dream mock don’t ruin it. Everything is possible. Who would’ve thought that Trent Williams would go before Okung.

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by manraj7 on Jan 12, 2011 8:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Bro

i had to use a site as a guide for my picks, this doesn’t mean they are right. I personally believe because of EC bias Matthews will fall to us, and if so i would take him over Bruce Carter (who i have going to us at that slot)

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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jan 12, 2011 8:44 PM PST up reply actions  

ya I hope we get Casey

Bruce tore his ACL recently.

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by manraj7 on Jan 12, 2011 9:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Mathews

I think he will be scouted heavily for two reasons. His brother, and he played in the Title game.

Otherwise, we could have had him in the 6th. LOL. Nobody cares about Oregon’s defense.

by hudd07 on Jan 12, 2011 9:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Thats true

I love the Oregon D. They play so fast.

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by manraj7 on Jan 12, 2011 9:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Who would’ve thought that Trent Williams would go before Okung.

a few people, myself included, called that one. there were reports coming out right before the draft that the Redskins liked Trent Williams for their blocking scheme, but everyone ignored the reports because Russell Okung was seen as the better prospect.

We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.

by these3words on Jan 14, 2011 8:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Fine

Who would’ve thought that we would trade up for Davis.

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by manraj7 on Jan 14, 2011 9:36 AM PST up reply actions  

fair point.

We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.

by these3words on Jan 14, 2011 1:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Uh?

So right before the draft you saw it coming.

I’m sure manraj was talking about before the draft when all the boards were made and ranked. You heard whispers, but nobody thought he was the better player than Okung until Redskins had decided it themselves.

by hudd07 on Jan 14, 2011 3:35 PM PST up reply actions  

true

but i still find it funny how shocked people were when that pick was announced, considering it had already been reported that the Redskins were leaning that way.

We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.

by these3words on Jan 14, 2011 3:51 PM PST up reply actions  

You never know

He is a projected third rounder right now.

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by manraj7 on Jan 16, 2011 12:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree

I would just suggest that Locker at #7 is an incredible reach at this point. Things may change come pro days and the combine. But right now, i believe he will go later 1st or early 2nd

Mock draft 2.0: 1) CB- Prince Amukamara, Nebraska 2) DE- Cameron Jordan, California 3) LB- Bruce Carter, North Carolina 4) WR- Austin Pettis, Boise State 4) QB- Pat Devlin, Deleware 5) RB- Darren Evans, Virginia Tech 6) S- Tejay Johnson, Texas Christian 6) FB- Owen Merecic, Stanford 7) OL- Danny Watkins, Baylor 7) LB- Wayne Daniels, Texas Christian

by nocal81(Vincent) on Jan 12, 2011 8:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Me too

but I don’t like to gamble on my QB.

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by manraj7 on Jan 12, 2011 8:37 PM PST up reply actions  

me too

that is why I wanted the niners to draft alex smith over aaron rodgers.

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 12, 2011 8:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Gabbert is now all of the sudden the 1st overall pick? LMAO!!

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 12, 2011 9:57 PM PST up reply actions  

That what I said

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by manraj7 on Jan 12, 2011 10:10 PM PST up reply actions  

well not said

thought in my head

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by manraj7 on Jan 12, 2011 10:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Although i do think that Gabbert may best the best QB prospect in the draft

I do not believe he should be picked first, top five or even top ten for that matter.

Mock draft 2.0: 1) CB- Prince Amukamara, Nebraska 2) DE- Cameron Jordan, California 3) LB- Bruce Carter, North Carolina 4) WR- Austin Pettis, Boise State 4) QB- Pat Devlin, Deleware 5) RB- Darren Evans, Virginia Tech 6) S- Tejay Johnson, Texas Christian 6) FB- Owen Merecic, Stanford 7) OL- Danny Watkins, Baylor 7) LB- Wayne Daniels, Texas Christian

by nocal81(Vincent) on Jan 12, 2011 11:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Here is a list of some of the highest paid Cornerbacks in the league

It really looks like good CB average almost 10 million a year. So how much would nnamdi want? I really think he will not achieve the 15 million average that he had last contract especially with a new cba. And if he is mad or pissed off at Al Davis then I do not think the raiders have a chance. especially since they have 3 other starters on defense are free agents and the fact they do not have first round pick. I think the raiders will try to sign the other starters. Would nnamdi want to except the highest the niners can offer him to stay in the bay and to piss off al davis by going across the bay?

Robinson, who spent six seasons with the Texans, received a $57 million deal, a source with knowledge of the situation said. Robinson is guaranteed $22.5 million
signed with falcons.

Revis missed almost all of training camp and all four of the team’s preseason contests while holding out for a new contract. He was to receive approximately $1 million in the fourth year of a six year contract.28 On September 5, an agreement was reached on a four year $32 million guaranteed contract, and Revis subsequently reported to camp the next day, a week before the team’s season opener

Nnamdi Asomugha – Signed a three-year, $45.3 million contract. The first two years, totaling $28.6 million, are fully guaranteed.(VOIDED)

Marcus Trufant – Signed a six-year, $50.2 million contract. The deal contains $28 million guaranteed

Chris Gamble – Signed a six-year, $53.5 million contract. The deal contains $23 million guaranteed, including a $6 million signing bonus.

Nate Clements – Signed an eight-year, $80 million contract. The deal contains $22.6 million guaranteed

Terrance Newman – Signed a six-year, $50.2 million contract extension through 2014. The deal contains $22.5 million guaranteed

Kelvin Hayden – Signed a five-year, $43 million contract. The deal includes $22.5 million guaranteed.

Deangelo Hall – Signed a six-year, $55 million contract. The deal contains $22.5 million guaranteed, including a $15 million option bonus

Corey Webster – Signed a five-year, $43.5 million contract extension through 2013. The deal contains $20 million guaranteed, including a $5 million signing bonus and a $3.6 million “signing” bonus in the second year.

Asante Samuel – Signed a six-year, $57.14 million contract. The deal contains $20 million guaranteed.

Sources

http://life.atlantafalcons.com/topic/3886407-dunta-robinson-is-not-the-2nd-highest-paid-corner-in-the-league/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darrelle_Revis

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 12, 2011 8:59 PM PST reply actions  

Greg Jones

That high? Awesome. As long as he stays out of the NFC West (unless he’s on the 49ers), then I don’t care when or where he gets drafted. If he gets that big of a pay day, I’ll remember where I read it first.

by Andrew Davidson on Jan 12, 2011 9:22 PM PST reply actions  

Pat Devlin 2010 video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkPzmE0__7A

1.QB Pat Devlin 2.CB Jalil Brown 3.CB Kendric Burney 4. Guard 4.S Tyler Sash 5.RB Brandon Saine 6.WR Tandon Doss 6. Nose Tackle 7. Kicker 7.QB Tyrod Taylor

by supraman on Jan 12, 2011 11:03 PM PST reply actions  

I do like Devlin a lot

but why draft him at 7 when you can get him in the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th rounds? Remember when the Raiders drafted Mike Mitchell in the 2nd round a couple years ago, when he could have been had in the 7th or free agency? Mitchell could have turned out to be a pretty good player, but you need to actually value VALUE when drafting

Mock draft 2.0: 1) CB- Prince Amukamara, Nebraska 2) DE- Cameron Jordan, California 3) LB- Bruce Carter, North Carolina 4) WR- Austin Pettis, Boise State 4) QB- Pat Devlin, Deleware 5) RB- Darren Evans, Virginia Tech 6) S- Tejay Johnson, Texas Christian 6) FB- Owen Merecic, Stanford 7) OL- Danny Watkins, Baylor 7) LB- Wayne Daniels, Texas Christian

by nocal81(Vincent) on Jan 12, 2011 11:14 PM PST up reply actions  

He has some questionable decisions in the highlights.

I would prefer to watch an actual game on him. The East West Shrine game is coming up he will be in it and I shall be watching.

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by manraj7 on Jan 12, 2011 11:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I know that Devlin wasn't playing against top tier compitition, but

22TD/3INT. 3 picks in 384 attempts, and a 68 percent completion percentage. I am attempting to find a full game that you could watch. I have people LOL

Mock draft 2.0: 1) CB- Prince Amukamara, Nebraska 2) DE- Cameron Jordan, California 3) LB- Bruce Carter, North Carolina 4) WR- Austin Pettis, Boise State 4) QB- Pat Devlin, Deleware 5) RB- Darren Evans, Virginia Tech 6) S- Tejay Johnson, Texas Christian 6) FB- Owen Merecic, Stanford 7) OL- Danny Watkins, Baylor 7) LB- Wayne Daniels, Texas Christian

by nocal81(Vincent) on Jan 12, 2011 11:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Haha

From the highlights he look like a third round QB. If I can get a game on him it will change. These people can I find them on twitter?

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by manraj7 on Jan 13, 2011 9:18 AM PST up reply actions  

?.? really where?

1.QB Pat Devlin 2.CB Jalil Brown 3.CB Kendric Burney 4. Guard 4.S Tyler Sash 5.RB Brandon Saine 6.WR Tandon Doss 6. Nose Tackle 7. Kicker 7.QB Tyrod Taylor

by supraman on Jan 13, 2011 12:51 PM PST up reply actions  

2:38

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by manraj7 on Jan 13, 2011 1:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I honestly believe #19 wasn't his target

but rather #31. Probably a mistake that they were in the same area though. Then again, I won’t be surprised because Delaware’s OC is like a Jimmy Raye that runs a zone-read offense.

1.QB Pat Devlin 2.CB Jalil Brown 3.CB Kendric Burney 4. Guard 4.S Tyler Sash 5.RB Brandon Saine 6.WR Tandon Doss 6. Nose Tackle 7. Kicker 7.QB Tyrod Taylor

by supraman on Jan 13, 2011 2:05 PM PST up reply actions  

He threw it to a guy in triple coverage.

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by manraj7 on Jan 13, 2011 2:15 PM PST up reply actions  

#31 only had the safety to beat

1.QB Pat Devlin 2.CB Jalil Brown 3.CB Kendric Burney 4. Guard 4.S Tyler Sash 5.RB Brandon Saine 6.WR Tandon Doss 6. Nose Tackle 7. Kicker 7.QB Tyrod Taylor

by supraman on Jan 13, 2011 2:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Either a bad throw or a bad decision

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by manraj7 on Jan 13, 2011 2:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Bad Throw: Underthrown by about a yard

1.QB Pat Devlin 2.CB Jalil Brown 3.CB Kendric Burney 4. Guard 4.S Tyler Sash 5.RB Brandon Saine 6.WR Tandon Doss 6. Nose Tackle 7. Kicker 7.QB Tyrod Taylor

by supraman on Jan 13, 2011 2:50 PM PST up reply actions  

rather be a bad decision

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 13, 2011 12:41 AM PST reply actions  

My Updated Mock draft

1st Ryan Mallett or Gabbert or Cam Newton Take your pick of a qb
2nd Torrey Smith wr
3rd Jake Locker- yes he fell this far and niners need two qb’s in this draft qb
4th aaron williams or ras-dowling cb
4th siona fua or kendrick elis or phil taylor dt
5th Owen Marecic fb
6th Terrence Tolliver wr
6th jeff demps is he declares or noel devine or derrick locke
7th Virgil green te/fb
7th this pick is for the person who has “character issues” the LeGarrette Blounts of the draft.

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 13, 2011 11:18 AM PST reply actions  

Be honest: How possible is it getting Patrick Peterson at #7, and how much of that pick was homerism?

If it happens, COME ON PETERSON AND NNAMDI OR JOHNATHAN JOSEPH!

9/8/10: 49ers go 11-5, Lose to Falcons first round. Smitty: 3500/25/15. Gore: 1300 yards, 10 TDs. Crabtree: 1000 yards, 7 TDs. Vernon: 900 yards, 8 TDs

by MichaelClutchtree on Jan 13, 2011 12:04 PM PST reply actions  

its totally plausible

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by manraj7 on Jan 13, 2011 12:52 PM PST up reply actions  

plausible yes

likely, I don’t know about that. I’d do backflips if we get him, but my gut just tells me someone snatches him up before #7

by monkey spanker on Jan 13, 2011 2:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Believe

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1. Jake Locker QB UW 2. Jimmy Smith CB Colorado 3. Casey Mathews OLB Oregon. 4a. Owen Marecic FB/LB/ST Stanford 4b. Sione Fua NT Stanford 5. Titus Young WR Boise State 6a.Clay Nurse DE/OLB Illinois (depending on combine/proday) 6b. Chase Beeler C Stanford 7a. BPA 7b. BPA

by manraj7 on Jan 13, 2011 2:35 PM PST up reply actions  

I guess I don't share your optimism

I would be pretty pleased with the draft you have in your signature though

by monkey spanker on Jan 13, 2011 8:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Of course you should

Its one of the best options out there. But seriously believe.

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by manraj7 on Jan 13, 2011 9:22 PM PST up reply actions  

i would love to have Peterson but i would be content with Prince, as long as we don’t draft a QB in the 1st im all for it

by ninersince94 on Jan 13, 2011 12:23 PM PST reply actions  

nothing to do with draft but ....... INTERESTING

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 13, 2011 2:12 PM PST reply actions  

the Gabbert Blaine Hype Train has gone too far.

you can’t draft a guy that high based on his measurables. he has accuracy issues and comes from a spread offense where EVERY snap is from the shotgun.

he is a fringe 2nd round prospect at best.

We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.

by these3words on Jan 14, 2011 8:48 AM PST reply actions  

What ever do you mean?

Hype is how Alex Smith became a number one overall pick. What good would the world be without hype… geeez!

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 14, 2011 8:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Actually Alex's Pro Day was what vaulted him up

He supposedly completed every pass and everything was placed perfectly.

Gimme 1 round!

by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 14, 2011 11:13 AM PST up reply actions  

beat me to the punch

lol

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 14, 2011 2:40 PM PST up reply actions  

how did i get his first and last name mixed up?

i just barely noticed that.

We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.

by these3words on Jan 14, 2011 9:17 AM PST up reply actions  

just got this posted over at Mocking the Draft:

http://www.mockingthedraft.com/2011/1/14/1927540/watch-full-sec-football-games-online

it has links to all the games available on the SEC Digital Network’s website. be sure to check it out if you want game film of players from the SEC. there’s also games involving Clemson, Penn State, Texas A&M, and Oregon, if you want to see their guys.

We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.

by these3words on Jan 14, 2011 1:17 PM PST reply actions  

Dream Scenario using NFL Draft Site, and including some players possibly dropping a bit

In parenthesis is how much said player would have to fall for him to be available to the 49ers.

1. CB- Patrick Peterson (5)
2. QB- Jake Locker (31)
3. S- Duenta Williams (10)
4. WR- Titus Young (17)
4. DE- Antoine Carter (9)
5. RB- Noel Devine (6)
6. FB- Owen Merecic (18)
6. LB- Steve Friday (13)
7. OL- Ricky Henry (12)
7. QB- Greg McElroy (18)

Mock draft 2.0: 1) CB- Prince Amukamara, Nebraska 2) DE- Cameron Jordan, California 3) LB- Bruce Carter, North Carolina 4) WR- Austin Pettis, Boise State 4) QB- Pat Devlin, Deleware 5) RB- Darren Evans, Virginia Tech 6) S- Tejay Johnson, Texas Christian 6) FB- Owen Merecic, Stanford 7) OL- Danny Watkins, Baylor 7) LB- Wayne Daniels, Texas Christian

by nocal81(Vincent) on Jan 14, 2011 2:55 PM PST reply actions  

OOOH nocal81

I’m in love with that draft, and I’m glad you said DREAM Scenario because it’s going to be tough catching some of those guys that late. Mostly speaking of Locker (I still think he is late first, EARLY 2nd), and Marecic and McElroy.

by hudd07 on Jan 14, 2011 3:51 PM PST up reply actions  

...

Owen won’t last till the 6th. Do we really need a safety? We drafted Reggie Smith in the third round in 2009 and Mays in 2010.

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by manraj7 on Jan 14, 2011 4:06 PM PST up reply actions  

My bad 2008

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by manraj7 on Jan 14, 2011 4:07 PM PST up reply actions  

We do need a safety, no doubt

Are you prepared to go into the 2011 season with Smith and Mays as the starters? or a veteran pickup? The FA market in regards to safeties aren’t that good.

manraj, again i was basing my projections on this site, and utilizing the possibility that players may fall a bit. However, i do stand by my previous comments that Owen will be around near the late 5th or early 6th. He isn’t a well known commodity, some teams may view him strictly as a ST player, he plays on the left coast, which doesn’t help. And, Peyton “freaking” Hillis was picked in the 7th round, this after blocking for the likes of McFadden and Jones at Arkansas.

Mock draft 2.0: 1) CB- Prince Amukamara, Nebraska 2) DE- Cameron Jordan, California 3) LB- Bruce Carter, North Carolina 4) WR- Austin Pettis, Boise State 4) QB- Pat Devlin, Deleware 5) RB- Darren Evans, Virginia Tech 6) S- Tejay Johnson, Texas Christian 6) FB- Owen Merecic, Stanford 7) OL- Danny Watkins, Baylor 7) LB- Wayne Daniels, Texas Christian

by nocal81(Vincent) on Jan 14, 2011 5:33 PM PST up reply actions  

So instead of Smith and Mays

you want Smith/Mays and a rookie?

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by manraj7 on Jan 14, 2011 7:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Not Exactly

But in case you didn’t notice Williams was a projected 1st round pick before his injury, the dude is a coverage beast. The idea of not adding someone to a position because your two current players are “average” makes absolutely no sense to me. I see a nice amount of potential in both players, but we need to add more players to the safety position. Also, by drafting Williams, i am not saying we should stop there. It would also be a good idea to either keep Goldson or go after a veteran such as Matt Ware, Gibril Wilson, Gerald Sensabaugh or Deon Grant.

To me a combination of Smith, Mays, Williams and the above mentioned FA’s looks better than Smith, Mays, Goldson and Taylor

Mock draft 2.0: 1) CB- Prince Amukamara, Nebraska 2) DE- Cameron Jordan, California 3) LB- Bruce Carter, North Carolina 4) WR- Austin Pettis, Boise State 4) QB- Pat Devlin, Deleware 5) RB- Darren Evans, Virginia Tech 6) S- Tejay Johnson, Texas Christian 6) FB- Owen Merecic, Stanford 7) OL- Danny Watkins, Baylor 7) LB- Wayne Daniels, Texas Christian

by nocal81(Vincent) on Jan 14, 2011 7:40 PM PST up reply actions  

i agree that Owen Marecic will be about a 5th round pick.

but i don’t agree that he isn’t a well-known commodity due to playing on the west coast.

he played for one of the most highly publicized college teams this year, and he was mentioned during every broadcast simply because he plays both offense and defense.

i guarantee you that every NFL scout was aware of who Owen Marecic was by the end of the year.

We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.

by these3words on Jan 15, 2011 1:27 PM PST up reply actions  

This if I knew who Owen is I'm pretty sure scouts know who he is.

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by manraj7 on Jan 15, 2011 1:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Do we really need a safety?

Answer yes. We need to fill up our DB with good guys. While I like Reggie I don’t see him as our starting S long term. I’d like to see us get a S somewhere in the draft.

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 15, 2011 1:54 AM PST up reply actions  

We're heavy on safeties though

Goldson, Mays, C.Taylor, Smith. It’s unlikely that we’ll carry five safeties, and we’ve drafted them high in two of the last three drafts.

Is it draft day yet?

by See Jay on Jan 15, 2011 10:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Goldson is a free agent, and in essence the other three are rookies/sophomores. Mays has amazing potential but he needs to relearn how to play the game. Chester Taylor has been injured or on practice squad every season he’s been with us I believe. And Reggie played decent when he was inserted towards the middle of the season…but would have to be moved to FS instead of SS which he is right now. So we would have two basically rookies and a first year starter in the league who is also changing positions. Three safeties isn’t enough especially when they’re all at the stages they’re at

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by Mdizzle138 on Jan 15, 2011 10:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Goldson's likely to be a restricted free agent

so we can retain him if we want. Curtis Taylor (Chester is the RB in Minnesota, I believe) HAS been hurt a lot but should be back this year – it will be his third season so he can potentially get healthy and get better.

Anyways, I mostly agree with your assessment of our current safeties, but I don’t see any way that drafting a new rookie safety (particularly since we won’t take one until a later round) changes anything other than depth, since a 4th round or later guy will most likely not come in and be an impact player right away.

Is it draft day yet?

by See Jay on Jan 15, 2011 11:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I didn't realize that McElroy was a senior. I would take him over any QB in this draft for a WCO.

70% completion rating. 20 TD’s to only 5 picks. He also did it against top talent in the SEC (I hate the SEC, but it is a good conf none the less)

by ericalancanty on Jan 16, 2011 11:48 AM PST up reply actions  

I've looked at a lot of recent mock drafts and...

while there is a lot of variance, most people have Prince Amukamara available when the niners pick at the 7th slot.

I’d hope that if he’s there, we take him. We need the corner help badly but with Bailey and Asomugha available as free-agents, we might not need to draft him.

My concern is, should we pursue a corner in free-agency or should we draft Amukamara? My thought is that we should go with free-agency first and if that fails, go for Amukamara. We really need to shore up our D-line with a compliment to Franklin and Smith as well as needing a QB.

Is there a QB in this draft? I would pick up Locker if we could trade down to 15 or so to get him but I’m not sure we can with Washington and Minnesota drafting at 10 and 12. My thought is that we should try to get a veteran QB and draft one in the later rounds that Harbaugh can coach up.

I’d like either Amukamara or Nick Fairley if he’s available.

by Delmuir on Jan 14, 2011 9:19 PM PST reply actions  

Great Post

Rec obviously. A couple things to think about though; First, i don’t think that it is an either/or option in regards to the corner position. We could easily sign Asomugha and draft Peterson/Amukmuara, and that would make them the best CB duo in the NFL for the next half decade plus. Regarding Locker, i don’t understand why some “experts” have him as the #6 or #7 in the draft, that doesn’t make sense. However, i would NEVER draft him at 7. BTW, Fairley will be gone way before the 7th pick, he could even be 1st overall

Mock draft 2.0: 1) CB- Prince Amukamara, Nebraska 2) DE- Cameron Jordan, California 3) LB- Bruce Carter, North Carolina 4) WR- Austin Pettis, Boise State 4) QB- Pat Devlin, Deleware 5) RB- Darren Evans, Virginia Tech 6) S- Tejay Johnson, Texas Christian 6) FB- Owen Merecic, Stanford 7) OL- Danny Watkins, Baylor 7) LB- Wayne Daniels, Texas Christian

by nocal81(Vincent) on Jan 14, 2011 9:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Fairley does have some character concerns so he might fall a bit...

but I tend to agree that he likely won’t be available.

I don’t like Locker in the top 15 but if he’s available after that, don’t you think he’d be worth the risk.

I have no problem signing and drafting a CB in theory but we might have bigger concerns than another great corner… especially if someone falls to our spot.

Thanks for the rec though…

by Delmuir on Jan 15, 2011 3:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I think you have to draft Peterson/Amukamara, if one is available.

Given that with the current situation of the CBA and not knowing how it will affect free agency, it would be huge risk going after a top FA corner and come up short.

by VigilanteSteve on Jan 15, 2011 11:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Amukamara vs. Free Agency

the problem is, Prince Amukamara is not worth a top 10 pick and Free Agency might not happen until after the draft.

the good news is, this is an excellent class for CB, and we should be able to get at least one new starter even without spending our 1st rounder on one.

i think the ideal situation would be to trade back and pick up Brandon Harris plus more picks, if we can pull that off.

We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.

by these3words on Jan 15, 2011 1:32 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree with VigilanteSteve...

if Amukamara is available, it’d be hard not to pick him because of what is going on with the CBA.

I don’t think we can justify taking a later round corner who could develop into a good, solid player. Passing offenses are too good today and we’re going to need a shut-down corner and Amukamara might be that, plus he has no character issues.

Petersen would obviously be the preferred choice but I can’t imagine that he’d be available.

by Delmuir on Jan 15, 2011 3:56 PM PST up reply actions  

i still disagree

with the idea that Prince Amukamara is likely to be a shutdown corner in the NFL.

i have seen receivers catch passes with him standing right there. he can blanket a guy on the underneath routes, but if the offense decides to go after him anyway he doesn’t prevent the completion.

throw in his deep coverage problems, and i don’t see him as a guy who could shut down a quality NFL receiver.

We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.

by these3words on Jan 16, 2011 12:06 AM PST up reply actions  

excellent.

don’t lose the list.

We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.

by these3words on Jan 16, 2011 6:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Look, I am not saying that Prince is going to be a shutdown corner, there is no guarantees in football. But given the CBA and the uncertainty of free agency, I think the 7th pick would be the best way to remedy our glaring weakness at CB.

Would I prefer Peterson, of course. But I think Prince could step in right away and make an impact, as well as be a upgrade over our current CBs.

by VigilanteSteve on Jan 16, 2011 6:35 PM PST up reply actions  

i agree that Amukamara would be an upgrade over what we already have,

but that’s true of some guys who will be there in the 2nd round as well, and quite possibly some 3rd rounders.

i don’t want to spend a 7th overall pick on an unspectacular prospect just to address a need that we could address later. we have plenty of areas that could use improvement, we have no business reaching to fill a need.

We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.

by these3words on Jan 16, 2011 7:13 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah.

BPA (except where you already are strong… like drafting a 1st round TE) is a better draft philosophy than drafting for need.

Is it draft day yet?

by See Jay on Jan 16, 2011 7:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed

but I believe that you gotta value huge needs more than small ones.

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by manraj7 on Jan 16, 2011 7:30 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree as well. However, we don’t know what the Niner’s draft board looks like yet. Prince could be the BPA at 7 as far as they are concerned or could be someone complete off our radar.

I like the 2nd round CBs as well. Don’t get me wrong and if thats the way the Niners want to go, I would be totally content with that.

I just think that CB is the one spot that we can fill in the first round and get good value for the pick. The QB prospect don’t impress me at this point. Maybe after the combine and pro days, that will have changed though.

by VigilanteSteve on Jan 16, 2011 8:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Some positions are important enough to ignore BPA..

If you don’t have a CB or QB in this league, it doesn’t matter how talented the rest of your team is. You won’t be able to throw the ball, everyone else will, and you’ll be seeing high draft picks for the better part of a decade.

What do you know… that’s us.

by Ougadas on Jan 17, 2011 6:05 AM PST up reply actions  

No way

QB, for sure. CB, no way. Why have no DBs been drafted in the top 5 (ish, could be top 7 or 8, I forget)… ever?

Is it draft day yet?

by See Jay on Jan 17, 2011 9:38 AM PST up reply actions  

No DB in the top 8 ever?

Safeties
Sean Taylor pick #5
Eric Berry Pick #5
Laron Landry Pick #6

Cornerbacks
Terence Newman Pick # 5
Adam Jone Pick # 6
Joe Haden Pick # 7
Antrel Rolle Pick #8
Deangelo Hall Pick # 8

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 17, 2011 9:46 AM PST up reply actions  

My bad

I think I read that Peterson might be the highest DB ever taken and extrapolated that into “none ever in the top 5.” Dumb mistake on my behalf :o(

Is it draft day yet?

by See Jay on Jan 17, 2011 4:38 PM PST up reply actions  

No biggie

I figured that either you misread someone elses post or I’d misread yours. It actually happened so I’d not misread yours. Most of the time it’s the other way around. ;-)

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 17, 2011 4:51 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not saying that he'll be a shut-down corner...

I suggesting that the chances that he MIGHT be a shut-down corner are high enough to justify the risk.

Remember, Asogmuha had trouble in his first few years (of course he was converting from safety so that’s part of it) but turned out well worth the pick.

Are you suggesting that you are confident that he’ll never be a shut-down corner or are you simply suggesting that the odds are too low to use such a high-round pick on him?

by Delmuir on Jan 17, 2011 9:21 AM PST up reply actions  

there's always a chance that he will be shutdown corner

but i think the odds are too low to justify a 7th overall pick.

if we are absolutely determined to take a CB at #7, i would rather take Brandon Harris. he would be a reach at #7 as well, but i think he’s a better prospect than Prince.

We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.

by these3words on Jan 17, 2011 11:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Not only a mock draft but an entire game plan for FA and the draft ;-)

After reading some of the well written posts on here by Smiley, Drew and nocal as well as others. I started working on some things. I am a big believer in the fact that FA should be used to lower some of your needs in the draft as well as getting some good players. So here’s first a look at what I am hoping for in FA. I’ve tried to be realistic, though a point or two might be considered a reach by some.
FA Moves:
1) Get Donovan McNabb after the Redskins are forced to release him. – The fact of him being probably released was noted by smiley.
2) Pick up CB Richard Marshall in free agency. – a young free agent with some possibility. Donatell can coach him up I believe.
3) Also get Ryan Kalil in FA after the Panthers are forced to let him go.
4) Pick up Melvin Bullit to bolster or Safety corps. (other options at FA Safety are Eric Weddle, and Bernard Pollard) – I feel that Bullit has some skills but has not been able to show them behind the other safeties.
5) Release or trade Nate Clements (noted by Maiocco as pretty much a given due to his contract)
6) Place Franchise tag on Manny Lawson (thought about Franklin but the need for a cover LB is more I think.)

Now with this set up in FA we then move to the Draft head up by Baalke and Jimmy Hard Balls.

Rd 1 Pick 7 – CB Prince Amakamura – Would love to get Peterson but fear he’s going to be gone by the time we have our pick. If Peterson is there snap him up.
Rd 2 Pick 45 – QB Pat Devlin – Yes this might be a good bit high for him but he could go up in the Senior Bowl after people see his footwork. See Drew’s article on WCO QBs in the draft.
Rd 3 Pick 76 – OLB Dontay Moch – I know I may get some flack for this but I think he could be a good pass rushing OLB.
Rd 4 Pick 107 – DE Lawrence Guy or DE Christian Ballard – Good rushing Defensive Ends.
Rd 4 Pick 114 – DT Jerrell Powe – Guy to learn to be our NT. (Thought about Kendrick Ellis at NT but not too sure on that)
Rd 5 Pick 138 – WR Terrence Tolliver – I want a guy that’s big and powerful at WR, we have Ginn and KW and Ziggy as speedsters, need a good big guy. He also has great hands.
Rd 6 Pick 169 – K Kai Forbath – I’ll probably get a bit of flack for this but we need a new kicker to take over for Nedney.
Rd 6 Pick 185 – RB Derrick Locke – get a good sized but fast COP back to play behind Gore and Dixon.
Rd 7 Pick 199 – CB Jason Teaque – Good sized and reasonably fast CB
Rd 7 Pick 200 – FB Shaun Chapas – Get a good replacement for Norris. This guy could be a really good pick at CB.

Look at the following UDFA prospects: WR Deandre Brown (like his size), OLB Kenny Rowe (give him a shot), WR Lester Jean (don’t know too much about him honestly but like his height, weight and speed combo)

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 15, 2011 7:13 AM PST reply actions  

I like it with some reservations, changes...

McNabb… Snyder is trying to up his trade price by claiming he’ll be with the Skins in ’11. May have to go after cheaper options. It sounds like they will want draft picks or force him to sit as the backup.

Kalil… I think he’ll be a guy like Ngata… love to have em.. but very little chance they go anywhere. If there is a chance and he doesn’t want to be overpaid, I like it.

Marshall… Rosenhaus is going to want way more money than this guy is worth. He had a good game against our pathetic attack.. but was routinely taken advantage of by offenses who knew what they were doing.

Like going after Bullit. Bullit isn’t a player the Colts will pay since they are still hoping to get a healthy year from Bob Sanders. I think we’d get our money’s worth out of him. If I was the Colts I’d trade Sanders and start Bullit.

Think we should keep Clements if he’ll rework his contract. He was a top 15 CB last year, I know we are paying him top 5 money, and want him to play like it.. but if he’ll accept top 15 pay, keep him.

Don’t like the Lawson franchise… if we can’t resign Franklin I don’t have faith in RJF to step in and give us comparable production. We may need to franchise Franklin again.

I do think that taking Moch at 3 with the OLB’s we already have eliminates the need to franchise Lawson. I don’t like the idea of paying him the average of the top 5 OLB’s in the league. He’s good but not that good.

Soap has been pretty solid for us.. runs in his direction allowed the fewest YPC than runs anywhere else on the line, and by quite much. I think we should think twice about replacing his skillset with a pure pass rusher… our pressure needs to come from the unpredictable LB spot… I’d do it if we could afford a R1 pick on a DE with both skillsets like Justin Smith.. but we can’t.

So just adjusting your ideas (I’d go with different priorities).. I’d change to..

Look for a released QB so as not to give up a draft pick, doesn’t matter who.. it’s a warm body. Resign or franchise Franklin, let Lawson walk if he wants top 5 money, he’s definitely not worth that and won’t find that in FA.

1st – Peterson / Amukamara in that order.
2nd – Devlin
3rd – Moch
4th – Powe (consider Fua)
4th – If you like Tolliver, take him here. He might be there in the 5th, but that’s unpredictable with WR’s.
5th – CB – Jalil Brown (often to avoid Jimmy Smith teams would put their #1 on his side, and he still put up respectable numbers but should still be on the board here).
6th – Locke
6th – Chapas
7th (Both) – Late round flyers like last years Blount, or if there is nobody we’d touch with a 10 ft pole, go ahead and take a kicker.. although they can really be found in UDFA.

by Ougadas on Jan 15, 2011 11:00 AM PST up reply actions  

5th Round CB

If we were to get Marshall (who is young and has some skills and can learn under Donatell) along with Peterson or Amakamura then I’d go for DE, I think we need some push on the DL and this could be Justin’s last or next to last year in the league. I think (and pretty sure I heard on the radio from Kirwan who is pretty savvy) that there is no real way that the Panthers can work out to keep him. I think that Snyder is on the line with what he has as a contract for McNabb when you look at all the other stuff he’s got going and we will have a cap next year. He’ll be strapped and forced I feel (hope)

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 15, 2011 11:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Could work...

It would be nice if Snyder was forced to release.. being a native Virginian..even though I’ve always been a 49er fan, I hate the man. I just don’t think we’re going to get any push at all from a DE in the 5th. It would be my top priority for the 2012 draft though.

The reason the Panthers can’t keep Marshall is because he’s with Drew Rosenhaus.. I’d rather not pay top 20 CB money to a guy who was basically a nickel CB on the worst team in the NFL as a project who might not work out.

by Ougadas on Jan 15, 2011 11:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes for Marshall would depend on the contract.

Yeah I want some rush on the DL and want to get it bolstered up. It was your idea to go Tolliver in the 4th and I had to find a place for a DE ;-)

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 15, 2011 12:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah..

I just don’t want to replace Soap and we have a year or two to replace Smith and can use a higher pick on it, and get a better player out of a better class. Soap does an excellent job of keeping blockers off of our LB’s.. and they are the strength and future strength of this defense… as it should be in the 3-4.

Rushing YPA… at and outside of Smith 3.98, 3.84 (16th and 10th in NFL)
Rushing YPA… at and outside of Soap 3.18, 3.29 (4th and 4th in NFL)
Rushing YPA… between the gaurds 3.62 (6th in NFL)

( Oddly enough we get many more runs at Soap than at Smith.. even though they average less yardage.. 28% vs 19% … if teams figured that out our rushing defense might not be ranked #2 on YPC )

It’s a good thing our ILB’s are sideline to sideline beasts.

I think Fangio’s more aggressive defense will bring more disguised pressure from the OLB’s, and getting smaller on the front 3 will be counterproductive for that goal.

by Ougadas on Jan 15, 2011 12:40 PM PST up reply actions  

We're not replacing Soap we're just utilizing him more approrpiately.

Soap is a big boy and I wouldn’t have a huge problem with moving him inside (if Franklin is a goner) and moving RJF to the outside. Have Powe be the guy planned to be the NT. So then you have Soap at NT RJF at LDE and Smith at RDE and backing them up we’d have Powe, Guy/Ballard (as the new guys) and McDonald at Tuku. Really the debate comes down not to Soap but to whether there is a guy to replace him doesn’t it?

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 15, 2011 1:13 PM PST up reply actions  

i highly doubt this is Justin Smith's last or 2nd-to-last year in the league.

i’ll give him another 4 at least.

We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.

by these3words on Jan 15, 2011 1:45 PM PST up reply actions  

4 more really? hmm

that would put him at 35…Favre is 40 and a QB. Name another DE that is 35 and is viable?

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 15, 2011 1:55 PM PST up reply actions  

D-Linemen have a long shelf life if I remember correctly

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by manraj7 on Jan 15, 2011 3:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Again please,

name a DE that is 34-35 and viable.

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 16, 2011 2:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Richard Seymour

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by manraj7 on Jan 16, 2011 10:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Nope...

try again….Seymour is 31, the same age as Justin.

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 16, 2011 11:06 AM PST up reply actions  

The wall of Minnesotta

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by manraj7 on Jan 16, 2011 12:14 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL Ok that I'll give ya :-)

Pat at least is 38. Kevin Wiliams is actually younger than Justin

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 16, 2011 1:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow I thought Kevin was like 36

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by manraj7 on Jan 16, 2011 1:43 PM PST up reply actions  

i'm not going to start looking up the ages

of every DL in the league who doesn’t suck.

but c’mon, do you really believe 2011 is more likely to be Justin’s last year in the NFL than his 4th to last?

We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.

by these3words on Jan 16, 2011 3:08 AM PST up reply actions  

he is signed to 2013

"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin

by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 15, 2011 6:06 PM PST up reply actions  

I too would love this potential draft, but I think that Tolliver is going to go somewhere closer to the 2nd rd.

by MinerNiner on Jan 15, 2011 8:46 AM PST reply actions  

Maybe maybe not

I looked around at some sites…
CBS has him at 146, ESPN has him as a 5th rounder, and DraftTek has him ranked …well..way low and they are way off this year I feel. I’m also looking into Armon Binns, so anyone that has some input on him let me know.

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 15, 2011 10:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Drafttek

Ya… I have to say that I disagree with a ton more this year opposed to last.

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 15, 2011 2:04 PM PST up reply actions  

 Wow, I didn’t know that! I’ll be following him.

by MinerNiner on Jan 15, 2011 6:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Again, this is only speculation on my part, as I am presuming he will test well at the combine.

by MinerNiner on Jan 15, 2011 6:55 PM PST up reply actions  

agreed.

i cant wait to hear everyone sound shocked when Terrence Toliver is drafted in the first 2 rounds, even though they all wanted him.

We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.

by these3words on Jan 15, 2011 1:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Here are my list of FA that I would want to sign in order

Haloti Ngata – Dude is a beast D-Lineman. He can play every position on the line and play it perfectly. He will probably want an Albert Haynesworth deal and the truth is that he will deserve every penny of it.
JJ (Jonathon Joseph) – Good CB and is only 26. He will probably want 8-9 million a year.
Richard Seymor – Will be a good DE that can replace Soap. I don’t know how much he will want or deserves.
Lamar Woodley – One of the best pass rush OLB in the game. Probably will want the same type of deal that Suggs got.
Tamba Hali – Had a good year but it might just be a one year wonder. I hope KC franchises him and we can see how good he actually is.

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by manraj7 on Jan 15, 2011 11:03 AM PST reply actions  

Good list except none are going anywhere

Haii maybe. Joseph will be franchised. After giving up a first to get him and with him being a leader on the team, I don’t see them giving up Seymour. Though you never know with Crazy Uncle Al. Woodley is staying in Steeler-Land. Hali is a possibility but not very likely.

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 15, 2011 11:16 AM PST up reply actions  

Seymour might leave

Raiders are losing 3 superstars on defense. One or two will slip. Hopefully its Seymour.

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by manraj7 on Jan 15, 2011 11:21 AM PST up reply actions  

and they aren't signed yet.

So there is still a chance.

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by manraj7 on Jan 15, 2011 11:31 AM PST up reply actions  

A chance yes

but I’ll quote Robin Williams “Reality…what a concept” ;-)

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 15, 2011 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't believe in reality

Until it hates me

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by manraj7 on Jan 15, 2011 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

hits not hate

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by manraj7 on Jan 15, 2011 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

thats going to be a thing.

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by manraj7 on Jan 15, 2011 11:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Don't see it but...

not going to get into a I say one thing she says another kind of discussion ;-) So agree to disagree :-)

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 15, 2011 11:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Ok this is my dream draft that I have so far.

1. Peterson- CB LSU
2. Jimmy Smith – CB Coloardo
3. Pat Devlin – QB Delaware
4. Moch – OLB Nevada
4. Fua – NT Stanford
5. Owen Marecic – FB/ILB Stanford

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by manraj7 on Jan 15, 2011 11:36 AM PST reply actions  

I would be extremely happy if that happened.

That’s def a good one.

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thank you

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by manraj7 on Jan 15, 2011 11:56 AM PST up reply actions  

I'd probably finish it out like this:

6. Robert Sands, WV — S
7. Brandon Saine, OSU — RB
7. Nathan Enderle, Idaho — QB

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 15, 2011 12:03 PM PST up reply actions  

You think Sands would last to the sixth?

And I agree with you on Saine. I know you don’t like Locke too much but I like Saine, he has some outside running ability and has some size on him. Enderle huh? You mentioned Tolzien a while back as a WCO QB but he wasn’t on your list that you had on your front page post.

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 15, 2011 12:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah.

I watched a bit more on Tolzien. Had a few games DVR’d. I think he has potential, but he has more work to do than the others in a few different areas.

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 15, 2011 12:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Sands.

Yeah…. he will last. There is plenty of talent ahead of him. And for whatever reason, most teams don’t like super tall safeties. There could be a legit reason why, but I have not found the reason…

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 15, 2011 12:25 PM PST up reply actions  

We did ok with "The Pigeon" ;-)

Merton Hanks I mean. I really liked him as a player. I think he and JT are some of the often unsung “stars” of the Niners.

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 15, 2011 12:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Well its kinda hard to have any glory when you're in the shadow of Jerry and Ronnie.

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 15, 2011 12:31 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm sure part of the reason is....

Since they are the last line of defense in run support but still must be fast enough to cover wide receivers on deep zones.

It’s rare to find a guy that’s both super tall and muscular that doesn’t trade away speed in the process. If there was a guy that was 6-5, 230, that also ran a 4.4 40, I’m sure nobody would care about his height. But usually guys that big start running high 4.5’s or 4.6’s.

When you find CB’s that are tall.. they usually don’t give up speed, but are very lanky.. and usually have to jump on a guys back or dive at his ankles to bring a runner down. Not a good thing to see from a safety.

by Ougadas on Jan 15, 2011 12:46 PM PST up reply actions  

A 6-5 230 that runs a 4.4

If he can catch the ball he would be a first overall pick. Thats a beast WR.

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by manraj7 on Jan 15, 2011 12:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Hahaha..

Very true, very true. Better insure his knees though.

by Ougadas on Jan 15, 2011 12:53 PM PST up reply actions  

And that he has hops as well.

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by manraj7 on Jan 15, 2011 12:54 PM PST up reply actions  

And Clay Nurse pending combine

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by manraj7 on Jan 15, 2011 12:33 PM PST up reply actions  

I dont want any guy with the last name "Nurse" no matter how good he may seem. Haha

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 15, 2011 12:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Aww but think about it..

if he gets injured the announcer can say “Looks like Nurse needs a Nurse” or even better if knocks a guy out they can say “Get that guy a Nurse..wait a minute he already had one.” I don’t care if the guy’s name is [site decorum]-head, so long as he gives good value to the team.

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 15, 2011 12:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I do.

No [site-decorum]-head should ever play a down. Why do you think we’re getting rid of Alex Smith?

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 15, 2011 12:50 PM PST up reply actions  

So it's the name Alex you don't like ;-)

Cuz I figure that you have no problem with the guy named Justin Smith ;-)

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 15, 2011 1:15 PM PST up reply actions  

In all fairness... I just think of him as "Cowboy"

I forgot his real name.

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 15, 2011 1:17 PM PST up reply actions  

He seems decent

He is a DE for Illi and has 5 sacks each year. The problem is that he doesn’t play every snap so I don’t know how fit he is.

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by manraj7 on Jan 15, 2011 12:56 PM PST up reply actions  

He is big too 6-3 260

Which is why I want to see his combine. If he is athletic enough he can play OLB. He seems to have some fat on him as well. If we can grab him and make him watch his weight a little he can be beast.

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by manraj7 on Jan 15, 2011 1:00 PM PST up reply actions  

What's his coverage capabilitiy?

that’s what I’m worried about as far as OLB. I’ve not seen any that sound good in coverage. Yes pass rush is needed (heavily needed) but there needs to be some coverage on that LB line as well.

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 15, 2011 1:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't know he plays on the D-Line

He played LB in high school though. We shall see at the combine to see how athletic he is. If he is athletic enough he can be taught how to cover.

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by manraj7 on Jan 15, 2011 1:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Didn't they say that about

Haaralson and a few other players? Yes there is that, but pipe dreams are not what a true NFL team is solely made of. That makes us hire coaches like Erickson and Nolan and Sing and for that matter get rid of a coach like Mooch.

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???

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by manraj7 on Jan 15, 2011 1:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Haraalson was picked due to athleticism and college as much as anything

going for a guy that just fits a body type doesn’t get what you want.

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 15, 2011 1:40 PM PST up reply actions  

He is decent as well

but you need to be athletic to play OLB.

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by manraj7 on Jan 15, 2011 3:15 PM PST up reply actions  

He plays on the DLine...in college

what’s his weight and his height and such. DE/OLB in college versus DE and OLB in the NFL is hugely different especially in a 3-4 which we are running. I heard this guy is good is not a viable option unless we’re talking about 6-UDFA.

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Where did you hear this

I couldn’t find a single report on him

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by manraj7 on Jan 15, 2011 3:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Do you consider that realistic?

Not saying Peterson in the 1st (as that is an outside possibility) but Pat lasting to the 3rd I kinda go..yeah sure he will..then no way in heck he’s not. Same with Jimmy he could go in he 20’s or the 50’s.

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 15, 2011 12:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Devlin

He probably goes somewhere in between the 3rd and 5th. I doubt he will go before that.

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 15, 2011 12:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Hmmm ok...

so a play of …
Rd 1 CB
Rd 2 DE (or OLB)
Rd 3 QB …etc.
could work huh?

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 15, 2011 12:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah....except,

I would rather target two corners in the first and second. As far as any one position is concerned, I would have to say that the cornerback position is the strongest. Overall, considering how many guys are going back to school though, the 2011 Draft is going to be one of the thinnest drafts in a long time.

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 15, 2011 12:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Its too bad Jenkins and Minnefield are going back though.

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 15, 2011 12:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Chase Minnifield is returning to school?

i hadn’t heard of this.

We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.

by these3words on Jan 15, 2011 1:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Yep. Read that this morning, but cannot find where in my page history.

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 15, 2011 2:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes, yes I do.

If it changes then I will change the mock. Until then this is all probable.

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by manraj7 on Jan 15, 2011 12:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Smith, Devlin, Moch

i find all 3 of these picks to be a bit optimistic, but Jimmy Smith in particular has very little chance of still being there. he is a first round prospect, and our 2nd round pick is all the way down at #13.

We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.

by these3words on Jan 15, 2011 1:39 PM PST up reply actions  

He slips past us in a lot of mocks

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by manraj7 on Jan 15, 2011 3:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Jimmy Smith?

past our 2nd round pick?

who is making these mocks, and why is they dumb?

We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.

by these3words on Jan 16, 2011 12:15 AM PST up reply actions  

I dunno why is they dumb

But Walterfootball has it.

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by manraj7 on Jan 16, 2011 10:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Walter also has Aaron Williams going ahead of Jimmy Smith.

so that should discredit his CB rankings right off the bat.

We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.

by these3words on Jan 16, 2011 6:02 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL

I wish we lost to the Cards now. We could’ve landed Peterson and Smith.

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by manraj7 on Jan 16, 2011 6:30 PM PST up reply actions  

disco disco

good! good!

Is it draft day yet?

by See Jay on Jan 15, 2011 10:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Co-sign

Though Moch is a bit light in the fanny to be a 3-4 OLB. Still, he’s crazy fast.

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by grantmp on Jan 17, 2011 7:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Drewk or anyone else

How good is Mizzou O-Line?

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by manraj7 on Jan 15, 2011 1:00 PM PST reply actions  

They are okay... I'd say average for NCAA D-1

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 15, 2011 1:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh, so not very good

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by manraj7 on Jan 15, 2011 1:17 PM PST up reply actions  

The move should be trade down. Positional coaches need to coach up later picks. Using 7th overall will screw up free agency.

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by rlott#42 on Jan 15, 2011 1:04 PM PST reply actions  

7th overall is just a bad place to be selecting anyhow.

Stock piling draft picks seems to work for the Patriots. And I agree 200% with the coaches needing to step it up and teach these guys the way to be successful.

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 15, 2011 1:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Pats are only able to trade around because they don't have many holes.

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by manraj7 on Jan 15, 2011 1:16 PM PST up reply actions  

But that is because they've been doing this for years.

Just look at the guys who are currently there. Take a look at their roster and tell me that any of them were guys that were majorly hyped in the draft. Their coaches coach the guys they have up.

You gotta start somewhere. And the 49ers don’t have a ton of holes. We have a few.

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 15, 2011 1:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Our holes are huge though

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by manraj7 on Jan 15, 2011 1:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Not really.

Our coaching holes were more significant. The 49ers have a bunch of talent. Why do you think Harbaugh took the job? It wasn’t ’cause the holes were HUGE. Our secondary needs help and we need a QB.

I dont care how much people dog on Sopoaga, the NT position, our LB’s… the fact of the matter is that those guys at those positions are very talented. The schemes and the coaching were the problem. Soaps does his job and gets the push he needs to get. Our LB’s have the ability to put heat on the opposing passer…. they just were not given opportunity enough times.

Bottom line is that the 49ers, on paper, have almost everything they need to become a contender. We are a few positions short. If they are addressed properly through the draft and FA, then the 49ers will be tough to beat next year…. should there be a next year.

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 15, 2011 1:28 PM PST up reply actions  

We have talent no doubt

But the holes I am talking about QB and Secondary are pretty big.

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by manraj7 on Jan 15, 2011 1:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Well its not like they're impossible to fill.

Especially with extra draft picks like rlott suggested.

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 15, 2011 1:34 PM PST up reply actions  

one good draft, or a good draft and a few good FA signings

and this team is transformed

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by mikev on Jan 15, 2011 3:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I think the team was transformed when sing was fired and harbaugh was hired

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 15, 2011 6:07 PM PST up reply actions  

As were the Patriots ..to a degree

When Parcells left they had some good possible players and some stars Look at Philly or the Steelers as well…what’s said about these teams? That they know when to let go of a player…that they know when to pick up a player as a stop gap. Would you have picked up Corey Dillon or Wes Weler? Or even Rodney Harrison..or Vrabel. Our holes are huge but by realistically making progress and coaching these players we can become a good if not great team again. Yes there is some luck but it’s not pie in the sky type luc. We have to make reasoned choices. If you read about Walsh in his “biography” he doesn’t really say “I knew this guy was great!” He had a feeling.

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 15, 2011 1:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Pats stay true to their draft philosophy, regardless og holes.

They’ve had a below avg defense for years and just tough it out. They don’t panic. The money this pick demands could be above the usual rise from previous seasons slot, due to the last year of big money potential.

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by rlott#42 on Jan 15, 2011 1:57 PM PST up reply actions  

and some say we are "not fans" because we didn't want to win a meaningless game against Arizona to end the season

Cause picking 4th right now would be pretty friggin good, because it would almost guarantee one of Peterson or Prince instead of hoping one of them falls to 7.

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by mikev on Jan 15, 2011 3:07 PM PST up reply actions  

and I want my team to get better players so they can win more games in the future

and picking 7th instead of 4th will make that harder to do.

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by mikev on Jan 15, 2011 3:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Not only would it mean picking 4th...

It would mean not being in a rotating pick with the rest of the 6-10’s in the following rounds but in a rotating pick with the 5-11’s.

4th instead of 7th.
39th instead of 45th.
70th instead of 76th.

By winning that meaningless game, we assured that Arizona, who also needs a QB and CB picks in front of us in the 1st, and Arizona, Tennessee, Dallas, Washington, Houston, and Detroit pick in front of us in the 2nd.

You could tell… Arizona stopped playing midway through the second quarter.

They were smart, we were stupid.

by Ougadas on Jan 15, 2011 3:20 PM PST up reply actions  

those later rounds will hurt

if the niners trade up for anyone or miss out on someone it will hurt even more.

that one win was huge for the draft when counting the later round picks

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 15, 2011 6:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I hope they use all those picks this year

It’s a shallow draft and hope they are forced to burn all their picks on it. That’s the problem with the strategy, a bad draft comes along and they can no longer trade out.

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by bignerd on Jan 15, 2011 7:30 PM PST up reply actions  

New hypothetical....

Let’s say Denver drafts Peterson at #2.

We think maybe Prince is overrated and entertain trade offers for the spot when he falls to #7.

Detroit is desperate in the market for a CB, and is willing to swap 1sts and give up their 2nd so they can take Amukamara. (#7 worth 1500, #13 and #44 worth 1610 )

So now we have the following…

#13
#44
#45
#76

Who do you target with those 4 picks considering who will realistically be available?

by Ougadas on Jan 15, 2011 3:32 PM PST reply actions  

Maybe it's just me

but with the comments above referencing how thin this draft is based on the amount of underclassmen returning to school, this probably isn’t the best year to try and stockpile picks.

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by mikev on Jan 15, 2011 3:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Even in a weak draft..

If there is a guy you want in the first, but he can be had at 15 instead of 7 and somebody desperately wants to move to 7… what harm does it do to pick up an extra second and still get your guy?

by Ougadas on Jan 15, 2011 3:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Except for CB's

This is reportedly a strong year for CB’s, which is what we need.

Draft Nick Fairley

by REDANDGOLD8 on Jan 15, 2011 6:27 PM PST up reply actions  

This is what I'd want
  1. Brandon Harris
    trade up with #44 and #76 grab Jimmy Smith
  2. Pat Devlin

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by manraj7 on Jan 15, 2011 5:12 PM PST up reply actions  

You just threw out a "dream mock" a couple hours ago that conflicts with this "want"

C’mon man! At least wait a day before changing your mind, haha

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 15, 2011 6:26 PM PST up reply actions  

we're learning

a week or two ago we were drafting kickers in the 4th. Smarter people like you have learned some of us wannabe draftniks up :P

Is it draft day yet?

by See Jay on Jan 15, 2011 10:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Well that one is without a trade down.

This is with a trade down.

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by manraj7 on Jan 16, 2011 10:51 AM PST up reply actions  

I would prefer the one without the trade down

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by manraj7 on Jan 16, 2011 10:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Summary of ALL THREE of Devlin's interceptions

Richmond – Ball tipped at the line, then picked off by a linebacker
Umass – Terribly thrown pass. Maybe traveled 2yards passed the LOS before finding the hands of a defender.
Championship – Ball goes right through the receiver’s hands for an INT. Ball was right on target; hit the WR in stride.

1.QB Pat Devlin 2.CB Jalil Brown 3.CB Kendric Burney 4. Guard 4.S Tyler Sash 5.RB Brandon Saine 6.WR Tandon Doss 6. Nose Tackle 7. Kicker 7.QB Tyrod Taylor

by supraman on Jan 16, 2011 2:22 AM PST up reply actions  

I lie your sig...but there's really no need to go after Devlin in the 1st when he'll most def be there when we pick in the 2nd.

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 16, 2011 3:25 AM PST up reply actions  

and the third and fourth

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 16, 2011 9:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Not really what I am looking for

I want to get an idea of what he was doing for his other 300 passes in his career. Everyone looks good in their highlight film.

It's Whore-baugh, remember?

by bignerd on Jan 16, 2011 2:31 PM PST up reply actions  

He throws kind of weird

Almost looks David Carresque…

by hudd07 on Jan 17, 2011 6:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Funny thing

I think it’s funny that a 49er fan has our mock landing us exactly the player we all want in Peterson just like the Mocks last year had Eric Berry sliding down to 13. I really hope it comes true but Peterson is one of the bext players in this years class and #7 is a long time to wait.

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No mocks had us getting Berry

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by manraj7 on Jan 16, 2011 10:54 AM PST up reply actions  

At least not without trading up.

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Yup

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by manraj7 on Jan 16, 2011 1:45 PM PST up reply actions  

lol

It was the LIVE mock draft where some users on here were drafting for the teams. It was a conspiracy to get Berry.

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That was me

but even then he didn’t slip to us.

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by manraj7 on Jan 17, 2011 12:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Aldon Smith at #7.

i can see this happening.

he could be the best player available, and our pass rush isn’t exactly overflowing with talent.

We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.

by these3words on Jan 16, 2011 3:16 AM PST reply actions  

After watching Rodgers destroy the Falcons...

I really just want a QB with a rocket arm and accuracy. Don’t care who, or how. I just want it to happen.

by Brodieman on Jan 16, 2011 7:28 AM PST reply actions  

Might have to wait for next year...

Since there isn’t one in this draft or in FA.

by Ougadas on Jan 16, 2011 7:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Not sure we need a rocket...

my new thing is get a guy like Deviin and a vet to hold down the fort till he’s ready.

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 16, 2011 7:52 AM PST up reply actions  

My thoughts exactly...

since the WCO has never needed a rocket arm.

by Ougadas on Jan 16, 2011 7:56 AM PST up reply actions  

or a vet to hold the fort down then Andrew Luck next year?!?!?

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by mikev on Jan 16, 2011 10:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Or Kellen Moore

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by manraj7 on Jan 16, 2011 11:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Let's not pretend that Kellen Moore is in the same class as Luck please.

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by mikev on Jan 16, 2011 11:01 AM PST up reply actions  

He is going to be a good WCO QB.

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by manraj7 on Jan 16, 2011 12:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Kellen Moore wears Andrew Luck jammies at night.

I’m just sayin.

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by mikev on Jan 16, 2011 12:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Lies

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by manraj7 on Jan 16, 2011 1:46 PM PST up reply actions  

I think we'll win more games...

than will make us eligible for the Andrew Luck sweepstakes.

by Ougadas on Jan 16, 2011 11:15 AM PST up reply actions  

stop ruining my fantasy.

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by mikev on Jan 16, 2011 11:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Luck might slip

Since next years QB stock is a lot better than this year.

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by manraj7 on Jan 16, 2011 12:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Yep and remember he'll be playing without

Harbaugh as his coach. Plus isn’t he losing his FB, TE(s), and at least some OL guys including center?

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3 out of 5 OL

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by manraj7 on Jan 16, 2011 1:48 PM PST up reply actions  

So...yeah...

He could be in the teens even next year depending how he does.

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 16, 2011 2:23 PM PST up reply actions  

And how good Barkley does

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by manraj7 on Jan 16, 2011 3:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Good. Hopefully Barkley tears it up and goes #1 overall

and Luck falls to us.

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by mikev on Jan 16, 2011 4:51 PM PST up reply actions  

and Griffin is supposed to be good too.

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by manraj7 on Jan 16, 2011 6:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Wha?

Next year’s QB’s look better how?

PLEASE get McFadden out of Oakland. The pain is more than I can handle. Oakland, where careers go to die.

by Arkie49er on Jan 16, 2011 7:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Luck not withstanding

I have to admit after this year, He is good. I think he made an expensive mistake going back. But, that is the cost of avoiding the Panther’s roster.

PLEASE get McFadden out of Oakland. The pain is more than I can handle. Oakland, where careers go to die.

by Arkie49er on Jan 16, 2011 7:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Well there is Barkley

There is Griffin

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by manraj7 on Jan 16, 2011 7:48 PM PST up reply actions  

There is Landry Jones

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by manraj7 on Jan 16, 2011 7:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Mark it down

this time next year, we will be talking about how bad these guys suck, and how crappy the draft class is for QBs.

PLEASE get McFadden out of Oakland. The pain is more than I can handle. Oakland, where careers go to die.

by Arkie49er on Jan 16, 2011 7:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Of course we could.

Landry Jones, Andrew Luck, and Matt Barkley will all be juniors (Luck a red shirt junior) and could conceivably stay another year. If they all do, then the QB class will be as bare as this one.

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by Hoopers Judge on Jan 16, 2011 7:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Kellen Moore is still there

and Luck will have his degree by then. So he won’t stay another year. Barkley isn’t allowed to go to a bowl game so I don’t see him staying. Jones I could see staying.

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by manraj7 on Jan 16, 2011 8:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Moore will come out.

I think Luck will come out, but he could stay to try to win a Championship if Stanford doesn’t win it in 2011. Landry Jones will come out if he has a enormously successful season.

Barkley is a little harder to judge. USC can resume attending bowl games if he stays till his senior year. And with Luck (and possibly Jones) coming out, he’ll have competition for that #1 QB spot. Whereas if he stays till his senior year, plays well, and wins a bowl game, he is the undisputed #1 QB.

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by Hoopers Judge on Jan 16, 2011 8:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Moore is a senior next year.

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by manraj7 on Jan 16, 2011 8:15 PM PST up reply actions  

M-A-L-L-E-T-T

Rocket arm, 66% completion rate, 3 to 1 TD/Int rate. He fits the description. RYAN FREAKIN MALLETT! I’m betting it will take a total of 4 weeks for Harbaugh to teach that kid to dance. (although he is nowhere near as immoble as people here seem to think).

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by Arkie49er on Jan 16, 2011 7:42 PM PST up reply actions  

He does have a nice arm

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by manraj7 on Jan 16, 2011 7:43 PM PST up reply actions  

he does

too bad his head and legs get in the way, or i guess i should say lack thereof on both. complete statue who mopes and hangs his shoulders enough to rival jay cutler? pass

by monkey spanker on Jan 16, 2011 8:54 PM PST up reply actions  

How do you know how smart he is?

Seriously I wish people would stop saying he is dumb.

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by manraj7 on Jan 16, 2011 8:58 PM PST up reply actions  

not saying he is dumb

i have no knowledge of that. but he does have a tendency to make bad decisions in crunch time and the moping that every scout’s analysis includes i classify as a “head” attribute. its either a confidence thing, poise or intelligence. which it is i have no idea, but i dont want him either way

by monkey spanker on Jan 16, 2011 9:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Alright man.. come on..

Nobody who quotes or rather.. mumbles.. Dennis Green’s “They are who we thought they were” after a loss can lay claim to being very bright.

by Ougadas on Jan 17, 2011 6:08 AM PST up reply actions  

He doesn't seem that bad.

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by manraj7 on Jan 17, 2011 10:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Questions for the group

What round 3 or later pass rush OLBs do you see out there?

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 16, 2011 7:54 AM PST reply actions  

Maybe...

Moch makes it to the 3rd… but his speed is the only reason he’d even be worth a tryout. He still needs lots of work on his pass rushing moves so he won’t be a one trick pony and he wouldn’t be an immediate starter.

I think we have decent talent at the postion.. Brooks and LaBoy both can get to the QB.. and both did this year more than Lawson or Haralson. But in coverage… that could be rough.

I’m not saying I think they are rock solid, I’m just saying I don’t even think we can find an OLB in the 3rd or below that can even match their production.

There are some quality 3-4 OLB’s in this draft.. but they won’t make it out of the first round.

by Ougadas on Jan 16, 2011 8:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah I'd consider Moch as a project player in my mock (pun intended)

and I don’t like spending a 3 on a project player (and to clarify, I mean project as in experiment, all players are projects coming in as rookies) I’m just seeing if I can clean up my 3-5th rounder picks a bit. Looking for DE’s, DT’s, WR’s, OLB’s, COP RB’s (and not in that order really.

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 16, 2011 8:19 AM PST up reply actions  

After CB and QB...

I’d look for a replacement for Franklin. We can’t Franchise him forever and quite frankly while I think he’s a good NT who I’d like to keep.. he’s not worth the average of the top 5 at his position.

Freeing up that kind of money will help if we see a major upgrade in free agency next year.

by Ougadas on Jan 16, 2011 8:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Well there are a few intriguing options

DE/LB- Sam Acho, Texas: Projected 3rd round pick, played DE at Texas, but at 258 could settle in nicely as a 3-4 OLB. He finished the 2010 season with 9 sacks and 41 solo tackles

LB- Bruce Carter, North Carolina: Only 3 sacks in 2010, but that could have as much to do with scheme than anything else. He has injury and character concerns, projected in the 3rd; but could see him falling to the 4th or 5th because of those concerns

LB- K.J. Wright, Mississippi State: 94 tackles and 4.5 sacks in 2010. He has all the necessary skillsets to be a top performer in the NFL. However, issues have been raised in regards to his drive.

DE- Antoine Carter, Auburn: Plays DE in Auburn’s 4-3 scheme, but at less than 250 is a prototypical 3-4 OLB. Carter had 7 sacks in 2010 despite missing four games. Right now he is projected to be a 4th round pick

LB- Lawrence Wilson, Uconn: Dude knows how to fill up the stats boards. 120+ tackles, 5 sacks, 4FF in 2010. He is darn good in coverage as well. I would suggest he could eventually takeover as a FT 3-4 OLB in the NFL. Projected mid 4th

DE- Steve Friday, Virginia Tech: A 235 LB DE, give me a break. He will play OLB in the NFL, and at 6 ft 4, needs to add more muscle to his body. Friday will be somewhat of a project, but he did have 9 sacks in 2010. Mid-late 6th round pick. He might be worth a flyer in the late rounds

LB- Wayne Daniels, TCU: 7 sacks for the best defense in the NCAA. Daniels is a projected 7th rounder, love the idea of picking him up

Remember, i advocated us going after George Selvie last season, and he ended up with the Rams. Selvie had a nice productive season as a 7th rounder. 4 sacks with the Rams in 2010

Mock draft 2.0: 1) CB- Prince Amukamara, Nebraska 2) DE- Cameron Jordan, California 3) LB- Bruce Carter, North Carolina 4) WR- Austin Pettis, Boise State 4) QB- Pat Devlin, Deleware 5) RB- Darren Evans, Virginia Tech 6) S- Tejay Johnson, Texas Christian 6) FB- Owen Merecic, Stanford 7) OL- Danny Watkins, Baylor 7) LB- Wayne Daniels, Texas Christian

by nocal81(Vincent) on Jan 16, 2011 8:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Casey Mathews

Moch
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by manraj7 on Jan 16, 2011 10:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Pull a Steelers

Draft a 5th rounder than inject him with HGH for two years while he develops

It's Whore-baugh, remember?

by bignerd on Jan 16, 2011 2:37 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL

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by manraj7 on Jan 16, 2011 3:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow Wayne Daniels is projected 7th round?

I guess the last 3 I find the most intriguing. Wilson (love the fact he’s good in coverage as well) Steve Friday, and as noted above, really surprised to hear Daniels projected 7th round. Where are you seeing that?

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 16, 2011 8:29 AM PST reply actions  

To me

this site is the most valuable in determining where players are projected to go. They specialize in the draft, and nothing else. They have Daniels projected to go to the Skin’s with the 202nd pick.

Mock draft 2.0: 1) CB- Prince Amukamara, Nebraska 2) DE- Cameron Jordan, California 3) LB- Bruce Carter, North Carolina 4) WR- Austin Pettis, Boise State 4) QB- Pat Devlin, Deleware 5) RB- Darren Evans, Virginia Tech 6) S- Tejay Johnson, Texas Christian 6) FB- Owen Merecic, Stanford 7) OL- Danny Watkins, Baylor 7) LB- Wayne Daniels, Texas Christian

by nocal81(Vincent) on Jan 16, 2011 8:34 AM PST up reply actions  

And they have Kenny Rowe going to us in the 4th round LOL

Not sure I’d go for that. I’d like Rowe but somewhere like 6th-UDFA.

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 16, 2011 8:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Our draft according to that site...

QB – Cam Newton
S – Quinton Carter
CB – Rashad Carmichael
OLB – Kenny Rowe
RB – Kendall Hunter
WR – Armon Binns
S – Jermale Hines
ILB – Josh Bynes
DT – Eric Hedin
TE – Zach Pianalto

Not sure what they are thinking.

Why spend any picks on positions where you not only have solid starters (ILB and TE), but decent depth behind them that are way better than any talent you could get in the 5th and below? These guys have no place on the depth chart.

What are they thinking with Quinton Carter.. who to me looks like Taylor Mays light.. we aren’t even sure if Mays is going to work out.. why we would want a lesser version of him I don’t know.

And I hate the CB pick of Rashad Carmichael. Bud Foster at VT (my alma mater) always trains his CB’s to be absolute beasts in run support but they always have problems in pass coverage.

NO MORE RUN SUPPORT CORNERBACKS!

Looks like another clueless automated spreadsheet draft.

According to the guys they say will be available at our pick… I’d much rather have a top 4 of..

OLB – Robert Quinn
CB – Jimmy Smith
DT – Sione Fua
QB – Pat Devlin

We get our beast OLB, cover corner, NT that Fangio knows well, and our precise quick release WCQB.

by Ougadas on Jan 16, 2011 9:17 AM PST up reply actions  

I was talking about player projections, and where they are slotted to go

I am not talking at the Mock Draft itself.

Mock draft 2.0: 1) CB- Prince Amukamara, Nebraska 2) DE- Cameron Jordan, California 3) LB- Bruce Carter, North Carolina 4) WR- Austin Pettis, Boise State 4) QB- Pat Devlin, Deleware 5) RB- Darren Evans, Virginia Tech 6) S- Tejay Johnson, Texas Christian 6) FB- Owen Merecic, Stanford 7) OL- Danny Watkins, Baylor 7) LB- Wayne Daniels, Texas Christian

by nocal81(Vincent) on Jan 16, 2011 9:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Understood...

But their clueless picking makes me doubt their competence to accurately slot player.s

by Ougadas on Jan 16, 2011 9:27 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't see Smith ..or Harris for that matter as available in the second.

And I think that after the Senior Bowl there will be some shakeup in the QB draft positions. I think Cam is gonna be seen as a bit slow in reading D, and I think that Devlin will move to the Second. I think we can get him there. Just my opinion though.

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 16, 2011 9:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I think so too..

Was just drafting based on their slotting.. which I don’t think is that good. We could have a monster of a draft out of it.. but like you I’m sure reality will take a much different path.

by Ougadas on Jan 16, 2011 9:28 AM PST up reply actions  

They must have changed it

Because that’s not how they have us drafting at all.

But FWIW, I HATE their draft. They have us grabbing a 5ft 9in CB in the 3rd round, and skipping Jimmy Smith in 2nd. I’d rather have Pouncey in 3rd than Burney.

by hudd07 on Jan 17, 2011 6:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Here is my first version of the entire 1st round. I combined need with BPA for each team

1.Carolina DE- Da’Quan Bowers Clemson
I cannot see the Panthers reaching for a QB at #1, but that is a possibility. Also, most teams would never rate a CB #1 on their boards. Carolina needs a lot of help, and they go with either Bowers or Fairley here.

2.Denver DT- Nick Fairley Auburn
A CB will not go #2, and that isn’t the position in most need of an upgrade for Denver. In Fairley they get a player that has the ability to be a dominating force for this horrible defense.

3.Buffalo QB- Ryan Mallett Buffalo
Ryan Fitzpatrick had a pretty good 2010 season, however, i see the Bills going after a QBOF. I am not sold on Mallett, but because of him arm i can see him being the first QB off the boards. The combine and prodays will tell us something. As will the wonderlic test during the combine.

4.Cincinnati WR- A.J. Green Georgia
Terrell Owens wil not be back and Ochocinco is on a downward curve right now. In AJ Green they will be getting the best WR prospet since Crabtree, or even before. I can see him teaming up with Shipley to make a nice 1-2 punch for Cincy.

5.Arizona QB- Cam Newton Auburn
As 49ers fans, we hope this is how it would play out. I think most of us can say that Newton doesn’t translate well to the NFL. However, the Cardinals are in an obvious need position here, and in Newton they feel like they got the right man.

6.Cleveland DT- Marcell Dareus Alabama
Cleveland is a couple players away from being a real good team. A couple of those players are on the d-line. I could see them reaching for Moore here, but a safety in the top 10 doesn’t make a lot of sense, and usually doesn’t work out great. Not much need a LB or CB, so if they are to go defensive here it wil be Dareus.

7.San Francisco CB- Patrick Peterson Louisiana State
“Some may say i am a dreamer”, but who cares? I can easily see the top of the draft playing out this way. CB isn’t a great need for the six teams above the 49ers, and even if it was, it is hard to imagine a CB going top 5. If this falls into place, the 49ers will be doing back flips in their war room.

8.Tennessee DL- Adrian Clayborn Iowa
9.Dallas \ CB- Prince Amukamara Nebraska
10.Washington WR- Julio Jones Alabama
11.Houston DE- Robert Quinn North Carolina
12.Minnesota QB- Blaine Gabbert Missouri
13.Detroit CB- Brandon Harris Miami (F)
14.Miami DE- J.J. Watt Wisconsin
15.St. Louis WR- Torrey Smith Maryland
16.Jacksonville CB- Aaron Williams Texas
17.New England LB- Von Miller Texas A&M
18.San Diego LB- Akeem Ayers UCLA
19.New York (G) RB- Mark Ingram Alabama
20.Tampa Bay DE- Cameron Hayward Ohio State
21.Indianapolis DE- Aldon Smith Missouri
22.Kansas City WR- Jonathan Baldwin Pittsburgh
23.Philadelphia OT- Derek Sherrod Mississippi State
24.New Orleans RB- Mikel Leshoure Illinois
25.Seattle QB- Jake Locker Washington
26.New York (J) DE- Jeremy Beal Oklahoma
27.Baltimore CB- Brandon Burton Utah
28.Atlanta S- Rahim Moore UCLA
29.Pittsburgh OT- Tyron Smith USC
30.Chicago OT- Gabe Carimi Wisconsin
31.Green Bay LB- Dontay Moch Nevada
32.New England DE- Allen Bailey Miami

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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jan 16, 2011 9:07 AM PST reply actions  

Do the browns run a 3-4?

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by manraj7 on Jan 16, 2011 11:00 AM PST up reply actions  

I thought they fired their coaching staff?

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by manraj7 on Jan 16, 2011 12:17 PM PST up reply actions  

May have..

I no longer live near my relatives from Cleveland.. so I’m no longer up to date on Browns news.

After a quick google.. it looks like he will be running the Dallas defense next year… except he wasn’t fired… ole JJ hired him away from the Browns.

by Ougadas on Jan 16, 2011 12:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Their new coach has said he wants to implement the 3-4

Not sure if that is true, but it is what i have heard through the wires

Mock draft 2.0: 1) CB- Prince Amukamara, Nebraska 2) DE- Cameron Jordan, California 3) LB- Bruce Carter, North Carolina 4) WR- Austin Pettis, Boise State 4) QB- Pat Devlin, Deleware 5) RB- Darren Evans, Virginia Tech 6) S- Tejay Johnson, Texas Christian 6) FB- Owen Merecic, Stanford 7) OL- Danny Watkins, Baylor 7) LB- Wayne Daniels, Texas Christian

by nocal81(Vincent) on Jan 16, 2011 1:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Awesome

Gotta see how bad their D-Line is

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by manraj7 on Jan 16, 2011 1:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe backwards..

Rob Ryan ran a 3-4 at Cleveland, he was hired away by Dallas.

Holmgren likes the 4-3, so he’ll likely bring in a 4-3 guy.

So Cleveland is likely switching from the 3-4 to a 4-3, not the other way around.

by Ougadas on Jan 16, 2011 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Yup

Not sure who nocal’s sources are, but it’s definitely expected to do the EXACT opposite and go to a 4-3.

by hudd07 on Jan 17, 2011 6:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Dontay Moch in the 1st round?

Torrey Smith ahead of Jonathan Baldwin?

these would both surprise me quite a bit.

We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.

by these3words on Jan 16, 2011 6:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm slowly coming around to the idea of taking either DE or OLB in the first.

JJ Watt or Von Miller might be excellent for us, especially if Manny doesn’t get signed. I don’t like Quinn in the top 10 because he’s been out of the game all year.

Is it draft day yet?

by See Jay on Jan 16, 2011 9:30 AM PST reply actions  

While I can see your point

I’m not sure any of the 3 you mentioned will be in the top 10..maybe..but probably just just after …just guessing…and I’d love to take a CB with a last or first name starting with P as our first pick. :-)

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 16, 2011 9:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Agreed

In my opinion, the only way we take a pass rusher in the 1st round is if we trade down and pick up an additional 2nd round pick. There are a lot of available pass rushers in the ladder half of the 1st round. If a CB doesn’t fall to us, i say we trade down, grab a pass rusher in the late 1st, draft a QB (Locker) in the 2nd and a corner with the other 2nd

Mock draft 2.0: 1) CB- Prince Amukamara, Nebraska 2) DE- Cameron Jordan, California 3) LB- Bruce Carter, North Carolina 4) WR- Austin Pettis, Boise State 4) QB- Pat Devlin, Deleware 5) RB- Darren Evans, Virginia Tech 6) S- Tejay Johnson, Texas Christian 6) FB- Owen Merecic, Stanford 7) OL- Danny Watkins, Baylor 7) LB- Wayne Daniels, Texas Christian

by nocal81(Vincent) on Jan 16, 2011 9:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Unless of course

Seattle decides to add a veteran QB such as Kolb, Orton, Palmer etc…. They won the division this season and could be foolhardy in believing that they have the talent necessary to contend in what promises to be a much better division in 2011.

Mock draft 2.0: 1) CB- Prince Amukamara, Nebraska 2) DE- Cameron Jordan, California 3) LB- Bruce Carter, North Carolina 4) WR- Austin Pettis, Boise State 4) QB- Pat Devlin, Deleware 5) RB- Darren Evans, Virginia Tech 6) S- Tejay Johnson, Texas Christian 6) FB- Owen Merecic, Stanford 7) OL- Danny Watkins, Baylor 7) LB- Wayne Daniels, Texas Christian

by nocal81(Vincent) on Jan 16, 2011 1:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Highly unlikely

They have no need to bring in a vet since Hasselbeck has said he wants to return and Carroll has said the team wants him to return. If OTAs/camp are affected by a lockout it won’t make sense for them to try to bring in a vet who doesn’t know the offense instead of their 10-year, 3 pro bowl guy.

It makes sense for them to draft a guy… not so much to sign a FA unless we miraculously avoid a lockout.

Is it draft day yet?

by See Jay on Jan 16, 2011 1:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Perhaps.

I’m not on the Prince Amukamara bandwagon, so I’d rather draft a pass rusher and grab a different CB in the second, although potentially trading down doesn’t sound so bad. Right now, only Quinn is projected to go top 10 out of the three I mentioned (seen Watt go to us at 7 but I think that’s a slight reach).

Locker won’t make it to the 2nd round, and the only later round guys I like are McElroy and Devlin.

Is it draft day yet?

by See Jay on Jan 16, 2011 12:30 PM PST up reply actions  

I love football. I am giddy about this draft. Only 3 more months ;).

by BayLife5518 on Jan 16, 2011 12:30 PM PST reply actions  

Why is Greg McElroy off the radar? Possible undrafted?

He is 6’2"….the same as Montana and Young (Steve). He has a supposed “not a strong arm”, same as Montana. Brady was a sixth round pick and his pre draft scouting report was awful.

McElroy was 70% in 2010 and 20 TD to only 5 INT’s. That was Brady’s stat line his last year…just sayin’, just sayin’.

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weak arm

and doesn’t carry the team.

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by manraj7 on Jan 16, 2011 6:32 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m indifferent to McElroy, but the same could’ve/was (been) said regarding Tom Brady. Anthony Thomas was among the best RBs in college at the time, and David Terrell was an All-America WR. Also had Charles Woodson the year before on D, to go along with Cato June, Ian Gold, etc. I think he’d be an interesting pick up late or as an UDFA.

by MinerNiner on Jan 17, 2011 7:35 PM PST up reply actions  

He is my 2nd favorite prospect

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by manraj7 on Jan 17, 2011 7:52 PM PST up reply actions  

I would love to grab him

in a lower round. At worst a servicable back up for years, at best the surprise of the draft. If he’s around in the 5th, I call that a steal.

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by Arkie49er on Jan 16, 2011 7:37 PM PST up reply actions  

3rd or 4th

seems decent

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by manraj7 on Jan 16, 2011 7:41 PM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn't draft McElory till the 5th round.

After watching a few of his games, he doesn’t make as many plays as you’d want him to. I think his ceiling is as a serviceable starter. Think Shaun Hill, but with a slightly better arm and better thrown balls (not as many ducks).

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by Hoopers Judge on Jan 16, 2011 8:06 PM PST up reply actions  

He's smart

and makes smart decisions. Good velocity on his balls.

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by manraj7 on Jan 16, 2011 8:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Dude is good

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by manraj7 on Jan 16, 2011 7:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Smith would be a real nice 2nd round pick

I love the following scenario

Trade the 7th round pcik to New England so they can draft WR- Julio Jones (said to be interested in him). Acquire the 17th pick and the 33rd pick

1. LB- Von Miller Texas A&M
2. QB- Jake Locker, Washington
2. CB- Jimmy Smith, Colorado

Of course this is all speculative. Hoping Locker falls to the 2nd and assuming neither Prince or Peterson aren’t available at 7

Mock draft 2.0: 1) CB- Prince Amukamara, Nebraska 2) DE- Cameron Jordan, California 3) LB- Bruce Carter, North Carolina 4) WR- Austin Pettis, Boise State 4) QB- Pat Devlin, Deleware 5) RB- Darren Evans, Virginia Tech 6) S- Tejay Johnson, Texas Christian 6) FB- Owen Merecic, Stanford 7) OL- Danny Watkins, Baylor 7) LB- Wayne Daniels, Texas Christian

by nocal81(Vincent) on Jan 16, 2011 8:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I like it

or draft McElroy

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by manraj7 on Jan 16, 2011 8:14 PM PST up reply actions  

And

draft McElroy he won’t be drafted before the 5th, some mocks have him in the 7th. Carry two veterans and two rookies at QB. If we draft Merecic we will only need 1 FB with Byham as the backup FB and H-Back type as well as the #3 TE

Mock draft 2.0: 1) CB- Prince Amukamara, Nebraska 2) DE- Cameron Jordan, California 3) LB- Bruce Carter, North Carolina 4) WR- Austin Pettis, Boise State 4) QB- Pat Devlin, Deleware 5) RB- Darren Evans, Virginia Tech 6) S- Tejay Johnson, Texas Christian 6) FB- Owen Merecic, Stanford 7) OL- Danny Watkins, Baylor 7) LB- Wayne Daniels, Texas Christian

by nocal81(Vincent) on Jan 16, 2011 8:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Yup, yup

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by manraj7 on Jan 16, 2011 8:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I really don't think Locker lasts till the 2nd round. Nor Miller till the 17th pick.

And when have the Patriots ever traded up. They’d keep trading down till they have all the 1st round picks of the 2015 draft if they could.

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by Hoopers Judge on Jan 16, 2011 8:17 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL

I would do that too. All of the 2015 1st round picks would be awesome.

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by manraj7 on Jan 16, 2011 8:19 PM PST up reply actions  

The Patriots

Have 6 of the first 92 picks (two in the 1st, two in the 2nd, and two in the 3rd). Additionally, the possibly have four compensetory selections in 2011. This means that the Patriots are going to have 14 picks in the 2011 draft, they do not need all of them. Plus, they are said to want an elite WR in the draft, something they won’t get at 17. Miller as a 3-4 OLB may fall.

Mock draft 2.0: 1) CB- Prince Amukamara, Nebraska 2) DE- Cameron Jordan, California 3) LB- Bruce Carter, North Carolina 4) WR- Austin Pettis, Boise State 4) QB- Pat Devlin, Deleware 5) RB- Darren Evans, Virginia Tech 6) S- Tejay Johnson, Texas Christian 6) FB- Owen Merecic, Stanford 7) OL- Danny Watkins, Baylor 7) LB- Wayne Daniels, Texas Christian

by nocal81(Vincent) on Jan 16, 2011 8:43 PM PST up reply actions  

This means that the Patriots are going to have 14 picks in the 2011 draft, they do not need all of them.

Of course they won’t use all 14 picks, it’s a certainty that they’ll trade some of those higher picks for future picks. Like last year when they traded their 3rd round pick to the idiotic Panthers for their 2011 2nd round pick. More then likely, Belichick will foist one of their 2nd round picks to someone (how about the Panthers) for a 2012 1st rounder. There are more then a fair number of stupid teams, queuing up in a line, willing to trade their future high picks to the Patriots for lower picks or declining Patriots.

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by Hoopers Judge on Jan 17, 2011 1:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Big Thumbs Down

He has no bend his stance, doesn’t move backwards well – red flag
He completely relies on getting his hands on the receiver and he’s not very good at it. He hunches over and stops his feet every time every time he reaches out to make contact. Finally, he’s putting his hands on guys 10 yards down field which isn’t legal in the NFL. He’s gonna get toasted in the NFL, wouldn’t even draft him … any round. Chance maybe he can play SS.

He looks like me trying to play CB. Slow feet, not fluid, trying to be physical and bend the rules wherever he can to get by.

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by bignerd on Jan 16, 2011 9:52 PM PST up reply actions  

i'll give you that he might be better suited to Strong Safety

because he doesn’t look like as fluid of an athlete as you would like in a CB.

but to say that he completely relies on getting his hands on the receiver? not true. look at the play starting 0:53 in the Cal video. that’s step-for-step coverage with limited contact at the line of scrimmage.

slow feet? he looks pretty fast to me. bad stance? who cares? stance is easily coachable, as is usage of hands against receivers. no one ever said he was a very polished prospect or would be a top notch rookie.

We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.

by these3words on Jan 18, 2011 12:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Stance is not easily coach-able. He’s either being lazy or doesn’t bend well. I think the odds are low he’s being lazy on a Division I football field. The easiest thing to coach a DB is how to get your hands on someone and rough them up.

It's Whore-baugh, remember?

by bignerd on Jan 18, 2011 1:00 AM PST up reply actions  

if his spine is in good enough condition to be playing football

then he can bend over far enough for a proper cornerback stance.

the only problem with not bending well would be his lateral agility, which is a legitimate concern.

We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.

by these3words on Jan 18, 2011 1:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Do you think we can trade for Dumerville?

Since they will probably switch to a 4-3.

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by manraj7 on Jan 16, 2011 8:32 PM PST reply actions  

Freaking

nice point!!!

Mock draft 2.0: 1) CB- Prince Amukamara, Nebraska 2) DE- Cameron Jordan, California 3) LB- Bruce Carter, North Carolina 4) WR- Austin Pettis, Boise State 4) QB- Pat Devlin, Deleware 5) RB- Darren Evans, Virginia Tech 6) S- Tejay Johnson, Texas Christian 6) FB- Owen Merecic, Stanford 7) OL- Danny Watkins, Baylor 7) LB- Wayne Daniels, Texas Christian

by nocal81(Vincent) on Jan 16, 2011 8:39 PM PST up reply actions  

May not

even cost us an extremely high pick considering his one year of major success and subsequent injury

Mock draft 2.0: 1) CB- Prince Amukamara, Nebraska 2) DE- Cameron Jordan, California 3) LB- Bruce Carter, North Carolina 4) WR- Austin Pettis, Boise State 4) QB- Pat Devlin, Deleware 5) RB- Darren Evans, Virginia Tech 6) S- Tejay Johnson, Texas Christian 6) FB- Owen Merecic, Stanford 7) OL- Danny Watkins, Baylor 7) LB- Wayne Daniels, Texas Christian

by nocal81(Vincent) on Jan 16, 2011 8:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I would give up a first for him.

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by manraj7 on Jan 16, 2011 8:47 PM PST up reply actions  

The

7th pick for a guy that had one great season and was injured in 2010. Not so much

Mock draft 2.0: 1) CB- Prince Amukamara, Nebraska 2) DE- Cameron Jordan, California 3) LB- Bruce Carter, North Carolina 4) WR- Austin Pettis, Boise State 4) QB- Pat Devlin, Deleware 5) RB- Darren Evans, Virginia Tech 6) S- Tejay Johnson, Texas Christian 6) FB- Owen Merecic, Stanford 7) OL- Danny Watkins, Baylor 7) LB- Wayne Daniels, Texas Christian

by nocal81(Vincent) on Jan 16, 2011 8:55 PM PST up reply actions  

12 sacks in 07/08 that would be a pretty good year

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 16, 2011 8:57 PM PST up reply actions  

if we keep the 7th pick

we will be spending it on a player who has never had even one great season in the NFL.

We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.

by these3words on Jan 18, 2011 12:38 AM PST up reply actions  

why would they trade him?

just signed 60 million contract.

if it is front loaded they would take a hit to their salary cap next year.

tamba hali free agent and lamaar woodley is restricted free agent would be better options.

if they let him go for a third rounder or maybe even a second rounder but no first rounder.

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 16, 2011 9:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Defensive Draft

1patrick peterson cb
2jj watt de
3ras-o-dowling cb
4pat devlin/ponder/dalton/mcelroy qb
4kendrick ellis/siona fua dt
5donta moch olb
6chris carter olb
6henry ornoski fb
7virgil green te or derrick locke rb
7kris adams wr

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 16, 2011 8:57 PM PST reply actions  

[NEW THREAD]:

http://www.ninersnation.com/2011/1/16/1939408/official-nfl-draft-thread-1-16-11-updated

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 16, 2011 9:10 PM PST reply actions  

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