NFLPA Lockout-Related Conference Call: Player Health & Safety Issues
Yesterday at noon pacific the NFL Players Association conducted a conference call that feature Domonique Foxworth of the Baltimore Ravens, Scott Fujita of the Cleveland Browns, and George Atallah who is the NFLPA Assistant Executive Director of External Affairs. The primary topic of discussion were the healthy and safety concerns NFL players have related to the state of the game and the potential implications of a new collective bargaining agreement.
I was unable to call into the conference call, but the NFLPA sent along mp3 audio of the question and answer session (warning: it's a fairly large file). The call lasted 54 minutes and if you have a few minutes I think it's worth a listen. Coincidentally enough (I'm guessing it's not a coincidence), Fujita and Foxworth both saw their seasons cut short by injury and finished up on injured reserve.
As the two of them work through their rehab, they expressed great concern during the call as to the state of their rehab once the lockout begins. Once the lockout begins I don't believe they'll have access to team facilities or team trainers, which will apparently leave injured players sort of fending for themselves. I'd imagine they'll speak with their trainers before a potential lockout would begin, but it certainly would create a shaky situation.
What's most interesting is that one has to wonder how (or even if) the NFL owners will leverage the players using this injury issue. If a lockout occurs, player will have a tough time finding reasonable insurance given the pre-existing conditions and whatnot. I'd imagine the owners know this and are potentially counting on that potentially forcing the players more to the ownership position.
This safety issue of course leads to the 18-game schedule issue. Early in the call, the players addressed this issue and basically said no-way, no how. Later they were asked what it would take to make it work, but they seemed to indicate there had not been sufficient give back from the owners in the form of proposals to really address what would make it work. I'd imagine part of that is posturing as they aren't the only guys doing the negotiating and thus don't want to give away anything they don't have to give away.
I've read somewhere that the league has discussed the idea of reducing things like required OTAs and other workout options, as well as basically turning the four-game preseason into two games, so there'd be no change in the total games. If you want to read more about the league's take on the 18-game schedule, I did a search at nfllabor.com and these are the results.
Personally I view this whole thing as a battle of the spin machines. I'm not accepting anything at face value, but I thought this was worth providing so you can determine for yourself what you'll believe. You're more than welcome to be whole-heartedly in support of either side. However, all I ask is that you at least inform yourself fully about both sides. At this point the two sides have set up their respective websites (NFL: NFLLabor.com; NFLPA: NFLLockout.com).
Of course these sites are very much in the business of public relations for each side, so you have to take some of it with a grain of salt. When NFLLabor.com was first set up it was much more of a strictly fact-based site that didn't present much in the way of pro-owner opinion (I won't go and call it anti-union animus at this point). Now it's a bit more in the business of spin. That's not to say NFLLockout.com isn't any different.
I won't simply say, "As a fan all I want is football next year." It's not so simple, particularly given the advancing discussions about player safety over the course of this season and recent years. The money issues are significant, but the issue of player health and safety must be addressed in a better fashion. Having Commissioner Goodell re-writing some of the rules and fines as the season rolled along is not the best way to ensure player safety.
One of the players on the conference call mentioned how after an explanation of new rules on hits some of the players were more confused about what was legal. This really is the perfect opportunity for the players and owners to come together and actually improve the safety of the players on the field, and their care after their careers are over. I think an 18-game schedule is fairly inevitable at this point, but Fujita and Foxworth made excellent points about improving post-career health career. That sort of thing will be absolutely necessary if the sport of football is going to be sustained in America.
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Just Get it done!
No football for a year would be a complete downer! I undertsand the players safety concern, and im sure it will all be worked out. Too much money would be lost if they didnt.
GET IT DONE!
Just getting it done
won’t be beneficial, unless both sides can compromise. Just agreeing to a new CBA to get a season doesn’t make sense for either party involved (although I would argue it would slightly favour the owners). The players seem to be in a lose-lose situation right now, possibly losing a year of their careers, and also being forced into an expanded schedule with less preparation time.
by Andrew Davidson on Jan 12, 2011 2:19 PM PST up reply actions
Losing out on a year
Is the main reason why i think it will be done. I agree that the players might be in a lose-lose situation but some of the players who are currently about to be free aganets simply cant miss out on a year. Losing some income would greatly effect the players who are not making the big bucks as it is.
Both the owners and players will both see how this has effected and put down money and ratings for hockey and baseball. I believe there will be a season next year. Just a matter of how long this will take. Goodell promised by the superbowl but it doesnt look like it anymore.
Goodell
has seriously got to stop talking out of his ass so much. Promising a new CBA by the Super Bowl is pretty ridiculous, even if it actually happens. He keeps setting new “deadlines” and now he says getting it done by March is critical. When March passes, he’ll say April and so on and so on. Goodell started off pretty good as the commish, or at least I thought so, but he’s constantly losing credibility amongst the players and fans. Someone has to be the bad guy, but Goodell is just starting to become the awful guy.
by Andrew Davidson on Jan 12, 2011 2:36 PM PST up reply actions
He didn't say any such thing
A new CBA by march is what he said, and I think that’s pretty reasonable since that’s traditionally when the new league year starts
I did laugh at this initially, but then many different thoughts crept into my head. Is this baby adopted? Does that woman have any african heritage in her family tree? The girl is pretty cute, how’d she end up with such a dweeb?
by Andrew Davidson on Jan 12, 2011 3:22 PM PST up reply actions
I don't see why an 18-game schedule is so inevitable
There is no need for it for one, and it doesn’t make a lot of sense. I just don’t understand it. I seriously doubt I’ll give a damn about the NFL if the owners win this section of the new CBA. There are far more cons than pros when discussing an 18-game schedule (unless of course, you own a team or television station). I’d much rather see a lockout than a rush to agreement at this point. It would make me satisfied as a fan to know both sides can come to a comprimise instead of one group bullying the other. An 18-game schedule would be a win for the owners, and no one else. Except us greedy fans I guess, but like I said, I won’t be in that group if the NFL goes to 18-games. I’ll gladly stick to my already inflated 162-game MLB schedule and completely ignore september through January.
by Andrew Davidson on Jan 12, 2011 2:17 PM PST reply actions
Understand you feelings but ... there is no way that this will EVER be a 50/50 deal. The players, after all, are employees. They do not and never will make the rules. Take it or find another profession! And we all know where that leads.
Frustrating for the players, huh?
by 49erFanSince1950 on Jan 12, 2011 3:22 PM PST up reply actions
I disagree with that
yes, to a certain extent they’re employees, but it’s far less of an employee role than you and I. It’s a partnership, even if it’s an unequal one
right now
according to owners, NFL players as a whole receive 60% of NFL revenue. I’m calling BS on that stat, and I’d like to see what the books have to say about it.
I do agree that NFL players are not employees, just members of a union.
by Andrew Davidson on Jan 12, 2011 8:54 PM PST up reply actions
That wouldn't surprise me one bit
Do you know how much it cost to run an NFL game? There is a ton of money being made, but once all the bills and paychecks are dished out, I could see the players walking away with 60%.
In Jed We Trust?
And simply taking away 2 preseason games doesn't help that much either....
because the starters barely play (if at all) in the 4th preseason game
by sanfranfanmdk on Jan 12, 2011 6:30 PM PST up reply actions
I agree with Post Career Health!
Fujita and Foxworth got that right. It should be like hazardous duty pay, because it is. It’s for our entertainment and there is enough money for all to be happy and taken care of. Redistribution seems to be in order.
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um, do you see what NFL players make?
minimum salary for a rookie in the NFL is 450,000 per year. Minimum for a vet is almost $900,000. I think that qualifies as hazard pay.
not on accordance witj long term affects, I mean whp are we to put a price on a mans body, on top of that.....
What about their families and what they deal with after football?
Jealous cuz fiends got they work and complained.....
sorry
a guy making that much can live for the rest of his life off 2-3 seasons if he invests it wisely. I feel absolutely no sympathy for them in that regard.
you should
A player that plays 3 years and earns a total of $1.5 million over his career that suffers trauma or life threatening injuries has more bills to pay that won’t allow the money to be invested wisely.
Look, I agree that these guys are getting paid a significant amount of money to play a game for a living, and have much better lives and pay checks than most of us will ever see. However, how are these guys supposed to know how to invest wisely when going to college isn’t even really going to college for a majority of these kids? They are corrupted from the very moment an NCAA school “recruits” them. Education? Maybe for 5% of the players in the NFL.
by Andrew Davidson on Jan 12, 2011 9:00 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t agree with that educational comment at all. An education is an education. You get that piece of paper you are set, if they fail to know how to use it later on then that is their problem. On top of that it is free. You decide to leave the NFL early, chances are you are going to get a nice pay day. In the event you get hurt and can’t play again – there should be more than enough to finish that education and take the next 10 years off.
In Jed We Trust?
you’re right, I’m just very bitter right now. the thought of the NFL changing so much makes me scared.
by Andrew Davidson on Jan 13, 2011 7:50 AM PST up reply actions
Hazardous pay , plenty of job's out there that are more dangerous than football ...
… i’m a Union Carpenter and been on some of the biggest job’s here in town which average 3 death’s per job , not only that they xspect 3.4 death’s in the budget before the jobs goes out to bid …!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ...Jimmy Raye your no daisy ...!!
I can't understand what benefit an 18 game schedule brings
except to make the owners more money. We already have rosters devastated by injury in the 16 game season. Why add two more weeks (at the expense of the pre-season, which, while meaningless in terms of wins, is very important for assessing talent!)?
I can’t follow other sports (particularly hockey, which I grew up playing) closely because there’s sooooo many games… I just get burned out on it. One to three days per week of football is just right.
Is it draft day yet?
There is also many more players on the team during those two extra weeks of the preseason who willl not be a part of the team during the reg season.
The 18 game season is just for the owners to make more money.. Since the stadiums cost upwards to a billion dollars each, I can see why they would want this..
If they do go to 18 games I hope they increase the active players on a team to like 65. I also wish the would redo the injured reserve clause. What if a player can come back in 6 games.. then there is one less on the team during that time or the player loses an entire year.
Do a 5 game DL or something.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
maybe they should contract the lowest bidder instead of their friends.
How about you take the same approach as factory jobs in the US, let someone from China build it.
Jealous cuz fiends got they work and complained.....
18 regular season games is too much to ask for
Too many players are already getting injured. If anything, I’d shorten the season to 14 games and 3 pre-seasons with 2 two week breaks for each team during the season.
Why isn’t that being considered? Of course: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
But if you want to care about the health and welfare of all these players we love to watch then 18 games of regulation play is just completely insane.
PS
If they must have 18 games I would make a rule that each player has to be inactive for 2 games durting the regular season. This would force each team to value its depth and give all the players on the team a chance to play and start in at least a few games each season.
I think an 18 game season is not that bad an idea
many of these same arguments were put forth when the league went from 12 to 14 and then from 14 to 16. There’s several ways to do it.
Add extra bye weeks, increase the roster size, increase the active roster size, reduce off-season activies.
I don’t buy any side’s arguments about the issue of safety and health. You saw how most of the NFL whined about the new tougher penalties for illegal hits and how “that was going to ruin the game”, and the NFL was going to turn into flag football, yet these same players are now turning around raising a stink over playing two extra weeks.
Plenty of hypocrisy from both sides on that issue.
http://blogs.forbes.com/sportsmoney/2011/01/10/numbers-show-nfls-economic-realities-for-lockout-unwarranted/
There’ a Mexican saying, “Cuentas claras y amistades largas.” Which means when finances are cleared up and open for everyone’s viewing then everyone is happy. NFL owners have to open up their books so everyone is clear on who is losing out, not only just the Packers.
Semi-OT, but I just figured out the QB I want to target.
Seneca Wallace.
Stay with me.
He’s good enough to start, but he’s been a backup long enough that he won’t demand it. He’s also cheap enough to let us continue to explore FA and Draft options. At worst, he’s a solid starter for a year or so. At best, he’s an awesome backup to our new Pro Bowl QB (whoever that mythical person may be).
That is, unless I’m severely underestimating what Cleveland would demand.
It looks like dancing frog in the sky because it's green.
Could be. The whole crux of my theory on him is that he won’t cost too much. But if Cleveland does want a pretty penny, it’s probably a useless idea.
It looks like dancing frog in the sky because it's green.
by howtheyscored on Jan 12, 2011 3:10 PM PST up reply actions
17 Games Season
They should just compromised and make it a 17-games season. The 17th game could be a neutral site “showcase” game play internationally or in market where there are no NFL team.
Personally I think the situation is perfect the way it is because everything is balance. There are 16 games, 32 teams, 8 divisions of 4. Everything is perfectly clear and balance and not an uneven clusterf*ck like other sports. That’s why it pisses me off when they’re talking about adding a 33rd team just so they could be in L.A.
Hmm, perhaps the 17th showcase game can solve the problem of not having a team in the Nation’s second largest media market. Just play half the showcase games in L.A. and the other half internationally, so that way you get more media exposure for the League both domestically and internationally.
Just like vegitables in the grocery story, the term "season" will be out dated
18 games . . . then 20, then add 8 teams, a new division in each conference, add a round to the play-offs, bring back two extra pre-season games because everyone remembers how much they used to like preseason, coverage of the draft and training camps, you’re now talking about football all but one month a year.
Just like vegitables in the grocery story, the term in season will be out dated.
Anyone else see VD's tweet a couple hours ago
saying how grateful he is to Singletary? Sounds like someone woke up to the TMZ front page and realized they come off as a dickhead.
no he didnt.....why would he miss him? it wasnt a relationship, he didnt say I hate him and Im glad hes gone.
If anything he just showed all the players couldn’t handle the challenge.
Jealous cuz fiends got they work and complained.....

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