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How about Chad Pennington as the transition QB

I was reading that he is recovering from his latest surgery and still wants to play.

And I thought why not?  He is a solid vet and is know for being very accurate, I posted his stats after the jump.

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Passing Stats
YEAR

TEAM

G CMP ATT PCT YDS AVG TD LNG INT FUM RAT
2000 NYJ 1 2 5 40.0 67 13.4 1 62 0 0 127.1
2001 NYJ 2 10 20 50.0 92 4.6 1 24 0 0 79.6
2002 NYJ 15 275 399 68.9 3120 7.8 22 47 6 1 104.2
2003 NYJ 10 189 297 63.6 2139 7.2 13 65 12 5 82.9
2004 NYJ 13 242 370 65.4 2673 7.2 16 48 9 3 91.0
2005 NYJ 3 49 83 59.0 530 6.4 2 37 3 6 70.9
2006 NYJ 16 313 485 64.5 3352 6.9 17 71 16 6 82.6
2007 NYJ 9 179 260 68.8 1765 6.8 10 57 9 3 86.1
2008 MIA 16 321 476 67.4 3653 7.7 19 80 7 2 97.4
2009 MIA 3 51 74 68.9 413 5.6 1 21 2 2 76.0
2010 MIA 1 1 2 50.0 19 9.5 0 19 0 0 83.3
Career 89 1632 2471 66.0 17823 7.2 102 80 64 28

90.1

So what do you think?  He never had a huge arm, but for the west coast accuracy and timing are more important.  He has good size and is known as a smart player.

I don't think he has experience in the WCO but unlike McNab, Johnson, Hasselbeck or Kolb he is not signed with another team next season and he can play for us without giving up a draft pick.

I think he could be a good option if he recovers from the surgery to start for us 1/2 a season up to 2 seasons depending on the maturation of the qb that we draft.

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No.

The Niners aren’t going to spend money on a player that will come in for one game, go down with yet another injury, and then retire. At least hopefully they would be that dumb to make that gamble.

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 18, 2011 6:47 PM PST reply actions  

*they would NOT be that dumb.

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 18, 2011 6:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Well...

Do you have any other idea’s?

And it was a fluke injury that happened, he is not that old either.

by Mr. Jesse From Anchorage, AK on Jan 18, 2011 7:11 PM PST up reply actions  

2000, 2001, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2007, 2009, and 2010.

8 reasons why NOT to sign Pennington… injured all 8. He’s 34 years old with that many injuries. He has missed 86 games in his pro career in 11 Seasons. Why would we take a chance. Pennington just doesn’t make sense to me.

I actually have several other ideas for the QB positions. I’ve posted them in other threads here.

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 18, 2011 8:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Well...

he was ok 2002, and 2006 and 2008 LOL 3 outta 10 ain’t bad I guess

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 18, 2011 8:16 PM PST up reply actions  

3 seasons a tad bit above par... and the rest all in the crapper.

Dunno.

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 19, 2011 12:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Sorry that was a joke.

I liked Pennington and a few years ago would have made a push. Yes the Breesy one made it ok with one shoulder surgery and shortness. But Pennington is a good bit (in FB years) older than him has had 4, let me spell that out F-O-U-R, and since we’re getting to the Superbowl and roman numerals are dancing in people’s heads let’s use IV. As you properly noted he has had less healthy years than he has had shoulder surgeries.

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 19, 2011 6:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Emphatic word in the above is "latest"

How many shoulder surgeries has he had? I think this is his second if not third. Nope…4th..
From ESPN: “The 34-year-old quarterback lasted only two plays this season with the Miami Dolphins, then underwent surgery on his throwing shoulder for the fourth time.” (Link: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=6034444)

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 18, 2011 7:16 PM PST reply actions  

I miss Hill

But we did get Carr in his place… Maybe the McSeahawk wants him.

by Mr. Jesse From Anchorage, AK on Jan 18, 2011 7:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Shaun Hill's gone...

…and so is Nate Davis.

(I’m new around here. Observing the continuing obsession w/S.Hill & Nate Davis is both fascinating and frightening…)

by VelamirDARKO on Jan 18, 2011 9:22 PM PST up reply actions  

I wasn't advocating bring back...

i was just saying that if the Niners were intent on HAVING a noodle arm QB, then I’d rather have Shaun

by sanfranfanmdk on Jan 19, 2011 11:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah

I know his arm had had many surgeries but really who else is out there that looks like they can run the WCO that are proven players. We will be taking a gamble on whomever we bring in.

by Mr. Jesse From Anchorage, AK on Jan 18, 2011 7:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Well...

if we get lucky and the Skins release a QB they are not too happy with right now then there’s this guy with a little WCO experience, his name is Donovan McNabb.

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 18, 2011 8:13 PM PST up reply actions  

And

We did try out Marvel Smith coming off a surgery, if he isn’t healthy he retires and we just get a test drive, last time he played a full season he took his team to the playoffs

by Mr. Jesse From Anchorage, AK on Jan 18, 2011 7:39 PM PST reply actions  

Have a QB stay for a year

While a project QB develops

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by manraj7 on Jan 18, 2011 7:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Yup or an early pick

None of the QBs in this draft are day one starters.

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by manraj7 on Jan 18, 2011 7:48 PM PST up reply actions  

I think it depends on the lockout

Mallett could probably start in the right system with a full camp and some luck.

Is it draft day yet?

by See Jay on Jan 18, 2011 8:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Believe it or not I am not a QB maker

So I have no idea on how long it will take to train up a guy. But Mallett does have some issues. His feet need to be worked on. He need to learn how to use his mobility to its fullest. He also needs to understand that he can’t fit balls in tight spaces anymore. If that can be fixed in a training camp then I will be down to get him. He also needs the respect of the team but that can easily be achieved. By showing up first and leaving last. Calling all of the WR and TE if there is any way they can work together before camp right after he is drafted. Make the O-Line love him. If the O-Line loves him they will block better. The defense will come around once they realize that the QB can help the team win.

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by manraj7 on Jan 18, 2011 8:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Personally

I would like to see a bigger qb that can make all the throws but Mallett has a real slow delivery/release and needs lots of room to step up into his throws because of his length.

by Mr. Jesse From Anchorage, AK on Jan 18, 2011 9:53 PM PST up reply actions  

His release isn't that slow.

And Peyton is also 6’6’’. You can throw without getting all of the room you need. I honestly believe that a QBs success has more to do with the team than the actual guy.

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by manraj7 on Jan 18, 2011 10:11 PM PST up reply actions  

"...a QBs success has more to do with the team than the actual guy..."

That sounds familiar, where have we heard that before? Hmmm…

(Look everyone, it’s…MIKE SINGLETARY!!! [looking around frantically] Where!!? Where!!!?? They told me he was gone!!!!!!!!!)

Football is the ultimate team sport but…

…great QB’s make history. It’s the actual guy that matters most.

by VelamirDARKO on Jan 18, 2011 11:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Not saying that the QB isn't the most important guy but look at the teams.

Peyton Manning. With a poor O-Line this year he had his worst season since his rookie year.
Ryan Mallett needs time in the pocket to throw the ball accurately
Brady hasn’t won a SB since they gave up on the run
Brady broke records when he and Moss were in NE together.
Sanchez has all of the time in the world while sitting in the pocket.

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by manraj7 on Jan 19, 2011 8:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Look deeper...

Joe Montana didn’t exactly have a “magical” statistical year in 1988. In fact, he was nearly benched in favor of Steve Young when the 49ers were at 6-5. The 49ers go on to win the Super Bowl.

Peyton Manning (stats be damned) had another great year. Got Indy to the playoffs. Had the Jets beat if White catches the ball on 3rd down (tough play, but a catchable ball). They also win if Cromartie doesn’t return that kick to midfield. It’s a game of inches. Bad example.

Brady would be talked about in the same breath as Montana right now if David Tyree doesn’t make a ridiculous catch w/Rodney Harrison draped all over him. He threw what would’ve been the game winning TD to Moss w/under 3 minutes left and it would have capped off a 19-0 season. Bad example.

Moss got shipped out of dodge early this year. Brady had 36 TD’s & 4 Int’s. That’s simply R-I-D-C-U-L-O-U-S. He didn’t miss Moss, Moss missed him. Bad example.

Sanchez has time to throw sometimes (yeah, Schott called a good game v NE and Sanchez played well). He gets knocked around at others. Like ALL QB’s. Don’t know you point here… Bad example.

by VelamirDARKO on Jan 19, 2011 9:39 AM PST up reply actions  

And Who the F knows what Mallett will ever be?

All QB’s are better w/time to stand in and deliver the football. The great ones typically do all right when they get hit. No one knows about Mallett yet.

I’m just curious as to whether or not he’s a cokehead thug… ;-)

by VelamirDARKO on Jan 19, 2011 9:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Peyton always goes to the playoff

This is his worst year since the rookie year. His playmakers go down and he still slips.

So you are telling me that Joe Montana had a bad year in 1988 yet they still won the SB?

But the pass did happen and now Brady isn’t in the same breathe as Joe Montana. If the Pats D has played and stopped that catch then maybe Brady would have been the best QB ever.

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by manraj7 on Jan 19, 2011 9:50 AM PST up reply actions  

:-)

No… I’m not saying Montana had a bad year in ‘88, I’m saying that statistics sometimes tell the story, but sometimes they don’t.

T.Bradshaw has 4 Super Bowl rings. Bradshaw doesn’t compare himself to Montana.

Brady is in the conversation w/Joe because that’s just how good he is. 3 rings, 6 rings, whatever, it doesn’t matter. And “the best ever?” It’s Joe IMO, but it’s also only ever a matter of opinion as to who was/is actually the best.

by VelamirDARKO on Jan 19, 2011 10:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Joe Montana’s statistics were incredible in 1988.

It looks like dancing frog in the sky because it's green.

by howtheyscored on Jan 19, 2011 10:42 PM PST up reply actions  

With all due respect to both you and Singletary

probably it’s somewhere in the middle. If Belichick had chosen Patrick instead of Tom the situation would have turned quite differentlly for both teams and both players. Plus in Sings defense in that statement, he was using a bit of coachspeak most probably. Even Walsh used it at times.

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 19, 2011 6:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Go watch the SEC game film at SEC sports online

Chad Rueter pointed it out to me over twitter so I thought i would check it out. He was calling his release T-bow like in time from wind up to release mostly because of stride and arm length. But once it leaves his hand it arrives in a hurry.

by Mr. Jesse From Anchorage, AK on Jan 19, 2011 10:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Watch A Lot of Mallett's Throws

(which is possible if you’re home sick from work like me ;-D)

Like a lot of QB’s (especially tall ones w/long arms) Mallett can get “long” when he tries to hump-up and really put some serious RPM’s on his fastball.

Unlike Tebow however, he doesn’t do this all the time. His natural delivery and ball carriage are not consistently anywhree near as low or as slow.

That being said, the “quick release” and all that mechanical crap that goes with it is so completely overrated it’s ridiculous. Hearing writers and scouts talk about playing the position often makes me ill. Tebow played just fine as a Rook, crappy release and all.

Listen to Steve Young talk about playing QB. It’s all about footwork, accuracy, decision making. Good feet put your body in a position to throw accurately. Knowing what you’re looking and making a quick decision enables you to have a faster release more than actually having “a fast release” does. (i.e. I can be Dan Marino but if I don’t process info quickly and get the ball out of my hand, my “quick release” is meaningless).

Look at the Tedford QB’s. They all change their mechanics once they get to the NFL. The high-ball carriage is gone, the no-windup/ball coming straight from the ear stuff is actually frowned upon.

A.Rodgers is THE PERFECT EXAMPLE of this. His release? It’s now “slower” (longer, whatever) than it was at Cal. Ball carriage is much lower, his base is wider, lots of changes. And yet he’s become a freak. Arguably the best QB in the NFL. His arm is so much stronger than when at Cal, he’s more accurate. Everything about him is better even though he’s SLOWED DOWN his delievery.

by VelamirDARKO on Jan 19, 2011 10:49 AM PST up reply actions  

And we know this because...?

(I do like Kellen Moore alot, btw)

by VelamirDARKO on Jan 18, 2011 9:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Because they all have problems

Huge technical problems. If they are not fixed will ruin the whole season and career.

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by manraj7 on Jan 18, 2011 9:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Huh?

Mallett’s not perfect technically, but who is? No one. Everybody does it differently at the QB pos. Mallett’s release isn’t slow, his footwork’s not bad, he moves pretty well for a big guy, his accuracy & touch are pretty good, his arm strength’s off the charts, and fitting balls into tight windows is pretty much what every QB in the NFL has to be able to do at times.

Easy to get respect as a rookie QB? =D (…take a minute and think that one through again) Also, how does one “make the O-line love him”?

Mallett’s a baller. His issues are a little simpler to understand. Is he or is he not: a…

DOOSHY, A-HOLE, COKEHEAD?

I’m guessing the 49ers will do their due dilligence in finding that out.

by VelamirDARKO on Jan 18, 2011 10:38 PM PST up reply actions  

his footwork’s not bad

WHAT?! His footwork is horrid.

he moves pretty well for a big guy

Look at Peyton Manning, he’s a big guy that moves well in the pocket. Mallet is a statue in the pocket.

his accuracy & touch are pretty good

His accuracy suffers because he doesn’t have any footwork.

Mallet is a huge project. He only fits in a vertical passing offense were he only needs to hand off the ball and throw it deep. The Vikings seem like a perfect spot for him.

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by Hoopers Judge on Jan 19, 2011 1:16 AM PST up reply actions  

You base your analysis on what? A Hanful of Snaps during the Sugar Bowl?

Mallett very well may be a huge project. No argument there. But your statement (sorry, I don’t know how to do the cool box thing):

“He only fits in a vertical passing offense were he only needs to hand off the ball and throw it deep.”

That’s just ignorant. Sorry. But it is. There’s no offense in the NFL like that, WCO or otherwise. And the Vikings? They ARE WCO. 2009, Favre was 33 and 7 (TD/INT) w/something like a 107 rating.

Watch tape on Mallett. He’s much better than everyone says in regard to footwork and athleticism. Yeah, he’s no ballerina, but he’s not Dan McGwire either.

“…he doesn’t have any footwork.”

His accuracy suffers when he DOESN’T UTILIZE proper footwork. That’s a lot different than not knowing how to properly take a 3, quick 5, 5 and 7-step drop. He does. His drops are alright. He’s had a ton of training in HS, @ UM, @ ARK. Sure they go SG alot, but they also go from under center.

Lots of QB’s have accuracy that suffers when they don’t utilize proper footwork. But that tends to happen when your getting DRILLED IN THE CHEST AND TEETH while trying to throw a football. Give it a try sometime. See what happens with your footwork.

Phil Simms was once asked, “Is the NFL as complicated as it seems?”
His answer: “No. It’s far more complicated than that.” Keep that in mind.

by VelamirDARKO on Jan 19, 2011 2:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Mallett

I never said i disliked his release could be faster though.
Mallett’s footwork is the worst I have ever seen.
Fitting it into tight windows was more of a bad decision then trying to make a play.

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by manraj7 on Jan 19, 2011 8:49 AM PST up reply actions  

I have nothing against him for the lack of athleticism a lot of quality starters in the NFL can't run to save their life.

But Mallett is a statue in the pocket.

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by manraj7 on Jan 19, 2011 8:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Easy to get respect as a rookie QB? =D (…take a minute and think that one through again) Also, how does one "make the O-line love him"?

Make plays. When the pocket collapses and you have to run try to get the extra yard instead of sliding. I wrote how he could the respect from the rest of the team. He needs to establish himself as a leader and the ways I specified are ways that a QB can do that.

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by manraj7 on Jan 19, 2011 9:05 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm not saying it isn't so... you are probably right...

But to me that’s a stupid way to gain respect….

If I was in that position, and my QB tried to take on a linebacker instead of sliding… I’d think he was a moron that was risking the rest of the season for one yard.

I’d probably wait until we were off the field, smack him upside the head, and say “Don’t you know those mother-F’ers are out to take your head off? We’re counting on you for 16 games, get your dumb ass to the ground or out of bounds when you see a linebacker.”

by Ougadas on Jan 19, 2011 9:15 AM PST up reply actions  

I would say the same thing but I love it when they do that.

 Do you remember the Shaun Hill play where he loses his helmet. I loved that play showed that he actually care about winning.

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by manraj7 on Jan 19, 2011 9:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Shaun Freaking HIll was shipped UNCEREMOUNIOUSLY to Detroit...

…because he’s a backup with a rag-arm. I like S.Hill a lot. Seems like an awesome dude. Played well for the 49ers. But he’s got a completely limited upside. Being a fan-favorite doesn’t get a team deep into the playoffs.

by VelamirDARKO on Jan 19, 2011 9:59 AM PST up reply actions  

I actually liked Alex Smith better

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by manraj7 on Jan 19, 2011 10:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Wow you are such a deuche. I’m just going to stop replying to you.

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by manraj7 on Jan 19, 2011 10:05 AM PST up reply actions  

that's fine...

…but keep in mind, my being a doosh has nothing to do w/not at all agreeing w/your opinions.

It simply a matter of my being a doosh.

by VelamirDARKO on Jan 19, 2011 10:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Shaun Hill would have won the NFC West in 2010

Might have won the NFC West in 2009, Alex threw away the Titans game.

It's Whore-baugh, remember?

by bignerd on Jan 19, 2011 1:53 PM PST up reply actions  

And we know this because...

…he’d just been benched after the 49ers got DRILLED by the Falcons at home and were being shut out in Texas at the half.

Yeah. He was awesome.

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by VelamirDARKO on Jan 19, 2011 3:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Shaun Hill

would had gotten us a better draft pick. He was very limited and once teams figured out he couldn’t go deep they stopped him.

by downsos on Jan 20, 2011 4:17 PM PST up reply actions  

You Make Big $$$ as a QB...

…you slide. Unless it’s 3rd and important, you slide. Game not on the line, you slide. Great QB’s need to be on the field, not concussed.

Leadership is making plays. All the other rah-rah crap is coming from guys who never played. Yeah, Tebow’s style works. Dan Marino’s “I’’ll bite your friggin’ head off if you mess up” approach worked. But so does A.Rodgers very low key approach. Joe Montana’s. Steve Young was more "fiery’. The common denominator: they all make/made plays.

Saying Mallett’s “footwork is terrible” does not make it so. It’s not the best ever, but it’s simply not terrible. If you can’t grasp that, I’ll let it go, but it’s not even arguably terrible compared to some.

Same thing w/calling him a statue. He just isn’t compared to QB’s who are. (And I could give a sh*t about Ryan Mallett; I doubt the 49ers will draft him, I don’t care if they draft him, but the cliches about his phsycial skills are getting ridiculous)

And Joe Montana, the greatest QB of all time IMO, his release could have been a lot faster…

by VelamirDARKO on Jan 19, 2011 9:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Arron used to slide head first

until he got a concussion.

His footwork is still really really bad.

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by manraj7 on Jan 19, 2011 10:00 AM PST up reply actions  

And the next year

We can draft manraj7’s draft crush Kellen Moore

by Mr. Jesse From Anchorage, AK on Jan 18, 2011 7:47 PM PST reply actions  

I wouldn't mind

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by manraj7 on Jan 18, 2011 7:49 PM PST up reply actions  

We know

Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi

by Drew Kerr on Jan 18, 2011 8:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Wasn't sure if you did

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by manraj7 on Jan 18, 2011 8:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Iffy on Pennington

He seems to be injured a lot.

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by manraj7 on Jan 18, 2011 7:49 PM PST reply actions  

Yeah he has been injured

No doubt but who else is out there? When he is healthy he can play. He is the most accurate passer in NFL history. He should be able to run the WCO and get the ball to the play makers.

by Mr. Jesse From Anchorage, AK on Jan 18, 2011 7:51 PM PST up reply actions  

If he can stay alive.

Our O-Line isn’t top 5 yet.

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by manraj7 on Jan 18, 2011 8:05 PM PST up reply actions  

He is the most accurate passer in NFL history.

Huh?

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 18, 2011 8:14 PM PST up reply actions  

He’s currently the NFL’s all time leader in career completion percentage.

by blako on Jan 18, 2011 9:03 PM PST up reply actions  

3 full seasons out of 12 and he is the all-time career completion percentage?

It doesn’t count if you don’t do it for more than 3 years. By that same logic, a guy who plays half a season and completes 80% of his passes should get that honor. Don’t buy that as a legit stat.

Kurt Warner, Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, Steve Young, Tom Brady, Joe Montana… guys like that did it for long periods of time. Pennington did not.

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 19, 2011 12:43 AM PST up reply actions  

…minus Rodgers on the list ’cause he is right about where Pennington is…. 3 years. Pennington has been in the league for a long time now and has only played two full seasons.

I just dont think we should go after a guy who has a 25% chance of playing the whole year. Breaks up chemistry and all kinds of other things. I’d even go as far as to say that the 25% is less because of all the injuries he’s sustained throughout the years.

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by Drew Kerr on Jan 19, 2011 12:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Hand Chad Pennington a Pen to sign his New 49ers Contract...

…and his f***ing right arm might fall off.

by VelamirDARKO on Jan 18, 2011 9:14 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Wish I Were Joking...

Chad Pennington’s tough as they come, a great leader, and a brilliant football mind. I was pissed off when the 49ers failed to draft Jake Plummer, and pissed again when they passed on Chad Pennington.

That being said, Chad’s done. He was bumped on the 2nd play of the JAX game (JAX? I was watching it, I think it was JAX…) and his shoulder apparently exploded. I think a teammate whacked it back into place. He stays in and actually completes a pass on the next play as his shoulder again flies out of the socket.

Like I said, Chad’s one tough SOB, but he managed to take only 3 snaps all year… On the off chance he could stay healthy, what’s the point of having weapons like V.Davis, M.Crabree & J.Morgan if you can’t drive the ball downfield? S.Hill’s in Detroit for that very reason and, compared to Pennington, he’s John Elway.

Love Pennington, but I don’t think he’s the answer…

by VelamirDARKO on Jan 18, 2011 10:24 PM PST up reply actions  

If you hit plays makers such as VD and Crabs in stride

It allows them to get down field by running with the ball. They are supposed to be decent in that regard.

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by manraj7 on Jan 18, 2011 10:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes they are...

…but without the threat of being stretched vertically, a defense can make it very difficult to get them the ball in space w/room to run.

An accurate throw on a flat route or a shallow cross or a slant or any kind of under route means nothing if the recipient of such a throw…

…has his head caved in as soon as he catches the pass.

by VelamirDARKO on Jan 18, 2011 10:49 PM PST up reply actions  

but without the threat of being stretched vertically, a defense can make it very difficult to get them the ball in space w/room to run.

You do know the Niners are going to run a West Coast Offense? It’s made for short passes to be turned into serious YAC.

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by Hoopers Judge on Jan 19, 2011 1:20 AM PST up reply actions  

You did watch Jerry Rice and Terrell Owens catch...

…about a ZILLION deep balls for scores BEHIND THE DEFENSE and down the middle of the field? Caught ‘em from Joe & Steve & Jeff. It was very cool. All within the WCO and all just as much a part of the WCO as the unders, the slants, the quick outs, and the shallow crosses that were caught in stride and turned into TD’s with YAC.

by VelamirDARKO on Jan 19, 2011 2:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Jerry Rice ran a reported 4.74 40 yard dash

The WCO is based on giving what the defense gives you. In the beginning of the game the defense is wary of giving you the big play so you bleed them slowly. Once the defense starts to inch up you throw it deep.

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by manraj7 on Jan 19, 2011 8:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Nope... Wrong.

So all teams start games be giving up the underneath routes and taking away the big play? :-) Lots of teams open up bringing 7,8, 9 guys into the box. They jam receivers at the LOS and try to take away everything underneath, daring you to make the big play from the get-go (have you actually seen a 49ers game since 2005? Ask Frank Gore if defenses have started out games “wary of the big play”). Teams gameplan and change things from week-to-week, series-to-series, play-to play. There’s no magic formula.

…and Jerry’s fastest recorded forty was a 4.59. In his prime, he had “on-the-field, in-pads speed” that enabled him to find another gear and accelerate past guys like Darrell Green.

by VelamirDARKO on Jan 19, 2011 9:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Then go deep

Take what the defense gives you. Instead of being a jerk how about you give your explanation about the WCO.

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by manraj7 on Jan 19, 2011 9:37 AM PST up reply actions  

whether or not i'm a jerk is, to be sure, a fair question...

But “take what the defense gives you” is nothing more than a cliche. Even if I were a nice guy, it would still be a cliche.

by VelamirDARKO on Jan 19, 2011 10:55 AM PST up reply actions  

It's all over the WCO thread...

and Oudagas explains things a lot better and more concisely than I…

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My first solid memory is of them releasing Jim Plunkett. #2, the OJ signing. Things just got better from there.

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by VelamirDARKO on Jan 19, 2011 3:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks

My favorite moment is blowing out the Hawks

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by manraj7 on Jan 19, 2011 5:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Then I believe you shall greatly enjoy the future with Harbaugh!

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by VelamirDARKO on Jan 19, 2011 5:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Was more his precise route running.

and the fact that he didn’t slow down into the cut.

He’d create crazy separation.

And people don’t realize how small a these speed differences are.

Two guys, one with 4.59 speed, the other with 4.4 speed.

With the 4.59 guy given a 5 yard head start, he can run the length of the field and the guy with 4.4 can’t catch him.

With the 4.59 guy given a 3 yard head start, he can run 46 yards before the guy with the 4.4 can catch him.

With the 4.59 guy given a 1 yard head start, he can run 23 yards before the guy with the 4.4 can catch him.

(catching) I defined as getting within 1 yard of the guy.. I figured 3 feet is the furthest dive you could make from behind and catch a guy running away from you by the heel.

“Another gear” is announcer speak for "I can’t do basic math and don’t understand how miniscule the difference between 4.4 and 4.59 is. "

by Ougadas on Jan 19, 2011 9:51 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Oh I'm Pretty Familiar w/the WCO...

A little WCO 101…

WCO’s are designed to stress the defense by stretching the field both VERTICALLY and HORIZONTALLY. This initially developed by utilizing the FB, HB & TE as pass catchers, not just blockers.

WCO principles still apply but are used in MANY different ways. Formationally, different personel groupings, etc. Single Back offenses for example can be WCO (UNR before the Pistol is a great example, Joe Tiller at Wyoming and Purdue, many others). No matter the scheme, stretching the field VERTICALLY and HORIZONTALLY is what opens up the short passing game and enables the YAC, etc.

And for those lucky enough to have either played in such offenses or to have watched the 49ers since 1979 (when I was 9), yes it’s an offense predicated on the short, “rythmic” passing game. But those teams all drive the ball down the field vertically as well.

Montana to Solomon, to Clark, to Rice, to Taylor. Deep Posts, Go Routes, Deep Corners, Sluggos. Seems routes down the pipe to Charlie Young, to R.Francis, J.Frank. Wheel routes to R.Craig. Young to Rice, to Taylor, to Owens, Brent Jones. Garcia to Owens & Stokes, to Streets & E.Johnson.

Make no mistake, pushing the ball down the field vertically is a VITAL component of any successful WCO. The short pass sets up the run in addition to setting up big plays down the field. Stanford in the Orange Bowl for example, they stretched the field both horizontally and VERTICALLY (Vertical – 2O yd. skinny post TD on a frozen-rope from Luck to Whalen (it was Whalen, right?); Horizontal – scramble and an out or a corner route + YAC for a TD to Fleener; Vertical – play-pass & a ball driven down the middle of the field to Fleener for yet another long TD pass).

by VelamirDARKO on Jan 19, 2011 2:04 AM PST reply actions  

This is a good description...

But for anybody wondering how the short pass sets up the long pass…. I’ll add a little.

In general the WR blasting straight off the line on a go route is never the primary target in the WCO, and is rarely the secondary target either.

He’s there mainly to pull his corner deep and force the safety to shade back in support, which opens up routes underneath the go.

But… when the defense starts being lazy on covering the decoy on a 30 yard sprint… then you burn them.

by Ougadas on Jan 19, 2011 8:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Eh. He wouldn’t be my first choice. But he has a great reputation as a teacher and has been talked about as a guy who could coach quarterbacks immediately after retiring, so I wouldn’t be bothered having him on the roster to help mentor a younger guy. As long as those other two available QB slots are used to good effect, it wouldn’t be a bad thing to have Pennington on the team.

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by howtheyscored on Jan 19, 2011 9:25 AM PST reply actions  

Don't waste a a First Round Pick

Picking a QB in the first round is too risky.

All picks in the NFL Draft have an element of risk, but the QB position is especially true. Teams can’t evaluate how a QB will react to the faster pace of the game.

The NFL is a great college quarterback’s graveyard. Draft DB/OL and pick a QB in round 3+. Then let him hold a clipboard for a couple years while he learns.

Build the TEAM, and the QB position is less crucial.

Luds

by Maze VxV on Jan 19, 2011 9:29 AM PST reply actions  

Do not draft another OL.

Our OL has talent. Our Tackles are beast in the run game with Staley being ranked #1 and Davis being ranked #3. Our worst rush was up the middle. Davis has potential and the world saw it when he shut down Clay Mathews for a whole game. I wouldn’t be opposed to drafting 2 CB and a NT in the first three picks.

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by manraj7 on Jan 19, 2011 9:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Mallet - my personal choice for our second round pick, but we will have to trade a 4th n prolly 5th or future 3rd to move up to grab him

Strengths:
1. Mallet brings confidence and a fiery passion for the game, this is something our signal callers have been lacking for quite sometime.

2. Mallet has the height and all the attributes of an NFL QB. You cannot teach his arm nor his size.

3. May i re-emphasize this mans’ arm, it is simply a cannon! He provides a knowledge of how to use his arm when necessary, a common mistake made by real gunslingers and QB’s with rocket arms. He provides touch, loft, speed, and pinpoint accuracy when necessary.

Weaknesses:

1. He lacks the ability to respond correctly to pocket pressure from up the middle. He gets flat-footed and his accuracy tends to lack when overly adequate pressure is provided from this area, and the pocket collapses.

This weakness reared its ugly head during their bowl game, and times throughout the season. With his big arm, he can sometimes make up for his inaccuracy, during these situations, but good NFL DC’s will gameplan around this weakness and expose it.

2. The previously mentioned weakness IS TEACHABLE, but cannot be emphasized enough, how this could be a big weakness if not fixed. (See Jay Cutler). Footwork for a QB is quite a major knock, but if he maintains the proper attitude and carries a coachability demeanor, this weakness could/can be fixed.

Overall, he holds great mechanics, but needs work with footwork. He holds all the characteristics of an NFL QB – size, arm strength, accuracy, and he correctly goes through his reads.

Will he need some work? Of course, most College QB’s do, with very few exceptions.

Can he step up next year and be the adequate QB we need? Most definately.

All in all, Mallet will take a little time to work on his pocket pressence flaws, but thats why we hired a quality head-coach which has extensively and exclusively worked with QB’s, in his past, and with good success.

As previously stated, if his fiery passion for the game, competition, and confident demeanor is just that, and not a god-complex, he could work-out very well. Teachability is a great character trait to behold, and if he has this unmeasurable trait, his ceiling is very high, and 49er fans can be looking at the next 49er great at the QB position. (Not implying he’s Montana or Young, but could very well be Big Ben 2.0, without the off the field issues)

I cannot speak, extensively, very truthfully, or with great confidence on B.Gabb, Locker, or other adequate college QB’s, because I have indeed watched them, but not in such great detail as Mallet.

With the correct tootleage, Mallet, should be our 1st round pick, and could flourish becoming another above average QB. Which is tantamount in this league, where a team is seemingly forgetful without a quality signal caller.

by chicagobullies on Jan 19, 2011 11:44 AM PST reply actions  

Great Post!

…I think the character issues will likely prevent him from being drafted by the 49ers (especially at #7) unless he completely blows Harbaugh and Baalke away during the interview process and at the chalkboard.

That being said, great analysis of his tools and you’re absolutely right: you can’t teach what he’s got, and you CAN teach him to improve on those things he doesn’t do well…if he’s coachable (and that seems to be a pretty big “if”). And as you said, Harbaugh was brought here SPECIFICALLY to evaluate and make the call on guys like Mallett. It will be interesting to watch the process unfold.

BTW, before this is brought up — and it will be — Mallett is nothing like Jim Druckenmiller. Mallett is a pure passer possessing touch, accuracy, rythmn and footwork that can translate to the WCO (specifically the 3-step game and the 5-quick throws). Petrino’s offense hasn’t featured this and his footwork does get sloppy at times, but he’s not like Druck, (big arm, very poor footwork, little experience with anticipatory rythmn/timing throws). Watch some film on Mallett when he was in HS. The kid’s big, and even though he’s not fast or quick, he’s fluid. Still is.

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by VelamirDARKO on Jan 19, 2011 12:34 PM PST up reply actions  

1. Mallet brings confidence and a fiery passion for the game, this is something our signal callers have been lacking for quite sometime

I love his swag. It is my favorite thing about him.

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by manraj7 on Jan 19, 2011 3:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Agree!!! Just hope He's truly "Fired-up" and not, umm, "Wired-Up"...

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by VelamirDARKO on Jan 19, 2011 3:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I like Mallett

I think if he gets the Aaron Rodgers treatment and can sit to learn

by Mr. Jesse From Anchorage, AK on Jan 19, 2011 4:41 PM PST up reply actions  

And that's what makes this situation unique...

The 49ers are in a position to “win now.” Not because they’re all that good — that’s a big maybe — but the NFC West is just terrible.

So the 49ers are a Division favorite, but with a new HC and no QB.

Adding to the confusion: no clear-cut #1 franchise QB to draft at #7. Also no clear-cut great option in a trade or in FA for a “stop-gap” starter to lead a playoff team while a Locker/Mallett/Gabbert is groomed.

I think Harbaugh is that good, though. I believe he might identify and groom someone we’ve all dismissed. Someone w/out the high price tag of a K.Kolb. Leinart, Quinn, Edwards & J.Johnson come to mind (though I’m not wild about any of them). He could also find a stop-gap (not Orton!) and take someone in the draft, or engineer a trade (Carson Palmer would make me wet myself but I can’t see Marvin Lewis trading him, even for our #7 and whatever else they’d want). He was brought here specifically to SOLVE THIS PROBLEM. I believe he will.

I think 9-7 is the worst the 49ers do next year, no matter who’s taking snaps. I also think 9-7 will win the NFC West.

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by VelamirDARKO on Jan 19, 2011 6:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Yep it's kind of the opposite of New York

“If you can’t make it here…you can’t make it anywhere..NFCW NFCW NFCW”

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 19, 2011 7:05 PM PST up reply actions  

NO WAY!

no way to Chad. I would rather stick with Alex Smith. Chad is a nobody plagued by injuries. This shouldnt even be a thought for the 49ers.

by utah9er on Jan 19, 2011 1:13 PM PST reply actions  

Chad is not a nobody

but he is a reasonably good QB from a reasonably good team of yore that now has been plagued by injuries and not due to his size but due to circumstance has sufferred enough and should look to coaching where he could truly launch a second career. He could end up being a very good QB Coach and possibly even an OC or HC some day but is days of being a QB in the NFL are over.

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 19, 2011 7:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Agree

And that was my point of him being the transition qb, he can teach the younger qb how to be a nfl qb.

by Mr. Jesse From Anchorage, AK on Jan 19, 2011 8:49 PM PST up reply actions  

I Dont want mcnabb

I belive mcnabb is a very overated player and selfish I think we could do Kyle orton,Chad pennington, Marc bulgar, Chad pennington Maybe a matt flynn or carson palmer if it wasnt to expensive. I belive we will draft Prince at CB than we will wait until Jake Locklear falls into the 20’s and we will trade back in the draft with a team maybe patriots who might not like there choices there could be a few teams to work with. but Locklear will be a good pick up speed,Good arm,accuracy,smarts, I like him and remeber he was a top 10 pick last year but than he had no talent on his team. Also even if he did suffer some set back harbaugh can fix him he has the tools and thats whats important.

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by foreveryoung66 on Jan 19, 2011 2:03 PM PST reply actions  

What's the deal w/Kyle Orton?

McNabb or Orton? You take McNabb w/out thinking twice.

McNabb, one SB, 5 (or is it 6?) NFC title games (including last year). Not a HOF’er IMO but definitely in the discussion someday. Decade w/Holmgren protege Andy Reid.

Orton? Uh…. Got benched for Rex Grossman even though he was leading the Bears to the best record in the NFC North a few years back. Couldn’t win the job back even though he was competing w/Rex and B.Griese. Traded to Broncos. Leads Broncos…nowhere (and screw his modestly impressive FF stats). Bears in the NFC Championship game. What else… Likes tacos. (maybe not, I don’t know, I made the taco thing up…)

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by VelamirDARKO on Jan 19, 2011 3:30 PM PST up reply actions  

This might be where we disagree

Watching D.Nabb i get so tired of his 6 or 7 throws a agame, where everyone looks back in astonishment, wondering who the heck was that too. Now do not get me wrong, he would be an upgrade, especially over D.Carr, but Orton can make the throws, which is what a team like the 49ers needs.

With this being said, I will never discount a mans’ pride. Big Donovan got completely humiliated this year in Washington, and a smart man could very likely look for him to bounce back this year, but I just do not know. So, I really do not know how I feel on this situation.

I guess that’s why the average fan is not a GM right? We will let them make the choice, and give them the reasons why they messed up, and what they could of done better. haha. lol

All in all, enjoy your day, everyone, for tomorrow is simply just God’s blessing and not a given.

by chicagobullies on Jan 19, 2011 4:56 PM PST up reply actions  

lol! Great description...

Yeah, it woulda’ been maddening to be an Eagles fan and watch him throw half-a-dozen 3-hop knuckleballs every week… Then again, Kyle Orton.

Orton looks soooo good, so smooth, so accurate, so cool…until it counts. At some point I’ll have to look back and see how many games this year and last year he had the ball with a chance to win on the final drive and couldn’t get it done.

McNabb’s the opposite. Like a poor man’s Elway (the Elway before M.Shanahan). He looks awful for an entire game then all of sudden makes plays to win at the end. Not Elway by a longshot, but good enough for 6 NFC Title games and 1 Super Bowl appearance. Not a bad resume.

Don’t like or want McNabb, but if push comes to shove, yeah, I’d take him in a heartbeat before Orton and a lot of other guys…

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by VelamirDARKO on Jan 19, 2011 6:25 PM PST up reply actions  

I know its a little off topic-but....

What would your ideal draft look like maybe rounds 1- 4 or 5

I would have

1. Prince

Assuming we could trade up maybe this years 2nd. and 4 or 5, or 3rd next year. We need to do what’s necessary, and I think with the coaching and front staff, we will be suprisingly aggressive in this year’s draft. With this being said,

1b. Mallett
 
If not, then we can settle for

2. Linebacker Casey Matthews outta Oregon, brother of Greenbay’s Clay Matthews

3. OG Clint Bowling, UGA or DT Marvin Austin

4. DE Sam Acho, Texas or if no Mallett earlier, QB Greg McElroy, Alabama.

5. WR Terrence Toliver LSU

6. FB Shaun Chappas UGA He’s simply a beast and could be a great steal, he can catch, great downhill runner, and most importantly he’s an excellent blocker.

7. OLB Bruce Miller UCF, great drive and motor reminds a lot of a smaller Justin Smith, for the fact of he never quits on a play, and he has a great passion and love for the game, with good pass rushing and cover skills.

Looking over the players for this draft at:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/TSX/2011_OLB

It’s simply amazing how deep this draft is with talent. It’s incredible and could be one of the deepest drafts in history.

by chicagobullies on Jan 20, 2011 2:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Welcome to the team with no QB whatsoever

Our one and only QB is David Carr hence we all are running scared from Ghosts..could be worse I guess we could have Patrick Ramsey as our starting QB.

by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 19, 2011 7:21 PM PST reply actions  

No way

Chad Pennington? That dude is so fragile. He’s played like 1 full season over the past 3 or 4 seasons. He lost his starting job to Chad Henne of all people, come on. Yeah, first it was because he got injured, but when he came back, he carried a clipboard while Henne tried to be an NFL QB. I don’t see the Niners taking a risk on Pennington. If he could stay healthy, he’s a pretty good QB, but when was the last time he even played a full season? Too fragile, not worth the risk.

by jayrdubya on Jan 20, 2011 8:38 AM PST reply actions  

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