Official NFL Draft Thread: 1/22/11 [NEW]
by Drew Kerr on Jan 21, 2011 11:12 PM PST
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PrintThere are several topics to discuss regarding the draft, the coaching changes, and specifically the quarterback position for the 49ers in the upcoming year.
There was 950 comments or so in the last thread in only two days. I guess I am going to have to step my game up and get a new thread out a little more often. But on a serious note, it's always nice to see that many comments by fans that love their team. The concerns are there, but with the changes it seems as though some of the negative vibes that were put off by the 49ers organization were put in a casket and laid to rest with the new hirings and fresh start that seems to have been provided by the 49ers front office.
I do have to admit that I have not been thrilled with some of the decisions that Jed York has made in the past. I now realize that he is dedicated. He may not have the best experience but he is gaining it quickly. He has been making some very solid decisions as of late. And so has Jim Harbaugh.
With that said, there are still plenty of areas of concern on the Niners roster. There are some holes to fill both on defense and offense. General consensus has suggested that the two biggest areas of concern for the 49ers are at the quarterback position and in the secondary. There are a few stragglers that feel that the defensive line needs to be an immediate upgrade and high priority as well as the pass rush ... in other words, outside linebackers.
I want to open this thread up a bit differently. As Niners fans, I would love to hear what you think is the highest area of concern. And in order. Below, I will provide areas of concern and the priority that I feel that they should be in. After those priorities, I will list five players (in order again) that I feel the Niners could, or should draft. Understand that this is my opinion. My opinion is just an opinion. If you feel the need to disagree, I would appreciate a level of respect backed with legitimate and cold hard facts.
Side Note: Sometimes the discussion can get heated because of the passion of opinion. Everyone likes to feel like they're right. And nobody likes to be proven wrong. But understand that IF you are proven wrong, it should not be taken personally; sometimes there is knowledge to gain. There are a bunch of folks that have good background knowledge on these boards ... so please, should you disagree, disagree with class and make sure you understand the difference of FACT and OPINION. Let's keep it fun and civil.
Here are the priorities matched with a few players.
Priority #1 - Quarterback: The quarterback position has not been adequate for what seems like forever. There has not been a legit candidate and leader of the team since Jeff Garcia. Garcia lived in the shadow of two Hall of Famers in Joe Montana and Steve Young. When you follow guys like that, and don't possess the same surroundings, its really tough to carve out your own legacy. The question is now, will Jim Harbaugh be able to cultivate the next Steve Young ... or will it be the next Jeff Garcia? It could even potentially be the next Alex Smith if the 49ers are not careful. There is not a sure-thing-pick in this years draft at that position, so whoever is selected (and there will definitely be someone selected at that position) will be a gamble. The question is, who do we gamble on? Who is the safest pick? Well here are some ideas...
1 - Jake Locker -- Washington: Only if he is available in the 2nd Round
2 - Pat Devlin -- Delaware: 2nd/3rd Round
3 - Colin Kaepernick -- Nevada: 3rd/4th Round
4 - Andy Dalton -- TCU: 4th/5th Round
5 - Ben Chappell -- 6th/7th Round
Priority #2 - Cornerback: Some may argue that the secondary needs to be addressed before the quarterback position. In this draft, I tend to agree. Sometimes priority doesn't always equal the best pick. The cornerback position is a bit deeper this year in competition with last. There are plenty of people who are in the opinion that Patrick Peterson is the real deal and should not be overlooked if he falls to the #7 pick overall in next years draft. On the other side of that, there are a few folks that think that Prince Amukamara will be the better option. Whatever the case may be, it seems as though it would not be a bad idea to draft more than one of those guys for some insurance. Clements is not getting any younger and neither is Spencer. The 49ers had one of the worst secondary's in the league last year.
1 - Patrick Peterson -- LSU: 1st Round
2 - Brandon Harris -- Miami: Trade back to the end of the 1st only
3 - Jimmy Smith -- Colorado: Trade back to the end of the 1st/2nd Round
4 - Brandon Burton -- Utah: 2nd/3rd Round
5 - Aaron Williams -- Texas: 3rd/4th Round
Priority #3 - Wide Receiver: While some people may disagree here, it doesn't appear that even with the draft pick of Michael Crabtree that there is a solidified #1 at the position. That is fine sometimes ... when you are the New England Patriots or Indianapolis Colts. The 49ers need "that guy" who is going to make an immediate impact and force defenses to adjust accordingly. It doesn't help that there is not a Peyton Manning or Tom Brady throwing them the ball, but it takes two to tango... or something like that. Should the 49ers draft a premier receiver, it would with no question open things up a ton for guys like Frank Gore and Vernon Davis.
1 - A.J. Green -- Georgia: 1st Round
2 - Julio Jones -- Alabama: 1st Round
3 - Leonard Hankerson -- Miami: 2nd/3rd Round
4 - Titus Young -- Boise State: 2nd/3rd Round
5 - Vincent Brown -- San Diego State: 4th/5th Round
Wild Cards - Outside Linebacker, Defensive End, Running Back: While some may think that the first two of these wild cards may be more important that wide receiver, I would have to beg to differ. Consider the coaching staff and consider the players. You also have to consider the schemes and what the players are taught to do. But feel free to add your wild cards priorities below. If you feel like one of these positions are more important, then please (with respect) provide your thoughts with some backing on why. Also provide some players that justify the 3rd priority and why.
P.S. Thanks for all the rec's in the last few posts... don't forget to rec this one.
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Yes, I trust Baalke with the draft.
If only we got another first round pick.
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DE
IMO should be tied for 2nd priority with CB. Justin Smith is a beast but won’t be for too many more seasons and Soap is less than stellar to say the least. We need another J Smith to anchor the line in the 3-4 scheme for the Harbaugh era.
QUESTION: When is our QB going to answer questions like "You only threw 4 TD's today. What's wrong with the offense?"
ANSWER: When Andrew Luck ditches the draft and we sign him as an undrafted free agent!!!
Our D-Line does well in containing the edges for the run.
I don’t think Soap needs to be replaced. We could have a better NT though.
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beastly vs run no doubt
But we need a guy who is a J Smith or Shaun Ellis who can do both because the LB’s aren’t getting it done. Everything starts up front on the line so I think we go lineman over LB.
QUESTION: When is our QB going to answer questions like "You only threw 4 TD's today. What's wrong with the offense?"
ANSWER: When Andrew Luck ditches the draft and we sign him as an undrafted free agent!!!
by crumpedup15 on Jan 21, 2011 11:55 PM PST up reply actions
Isn't the job of the D-Line in the 3-4 to occupy blockers and to stop the run?
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on run plays it is
if their only job was to stuff the run all 3 would be DT’s. They got to have some pass rush skill to help out the LB’s
QUESTION: When is our QB going to answer questions like "You only threw 4 TD's today. What's wrong with the offense?"
ANSWER: When Andrew Luck ditches the draft and we sign him as an undrafted free agent!!!
by crumpedup15 on Jan 22, 2011 12:14 AM PST up reply actions
Doesn't Smith lead the team with sacks?
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yeah but like I said he's not getting any younger.
I would rather get a good DE sooner rather than later so as to not leave a hole in the D when Smith past gets past his prime and the D suffers without a dominant presence like him.
QUESTION: When is our QB going to answer questions like "You only threw 4 TD's today. What's wrong with the offense?"
ANSWER: When Andrew Luck ditches the draft and we sign him as an undrafted free agent!!!
by crumpedup15 on Jan 22, 2011 12:21 AM PST up reply actions
If our strength is D-Line
Can’t we use late round picks to pick up some projects so while Smith and crew are handling business the other guys can progress into the starting lineup?
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Thats why you always get your Dlinemen through FA
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
Who are you eyeing FA on Dline?
And please don’t say Ngata..I’d love him but he’s not leaving Balty (IMO).
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 22, 2011 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
Seymour
is available. I dunno who else though.
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Seymour won't be available
I’ll be totally honest with you, I won’t be surprised if something is written into the new CBA where all FA’s go back to their original teams from the year before at a premium contract for one year. Then hit FA the next year. It’s going to be a mess if there is a lockout then all the sudden FA over like a week right before the season or during the season.
It makes it easier all around if the players get like a 15% bump in pay or something from what they have, then go back to their teams, set to come out in FA next year.
Seymour won't be a niner
I’m sorry but stop the pipe dreams..these guys are not going to leaver their teams. If there is someone that Oakland wants to keep then it’s Seymour. Please can we stop with the pipe dreams?
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 22, 2011 2:10 PM PST up reply actions
Asomugha or Seymour
They can only keep one
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They already aren't keeping Asomugha
He’s cleared what is in his contract. Again Seymour is not going to be here in a 9er uniform this year. Al is a crazy mofo but do you want to show that you are gonna give up a 1st rounder pick in the draft and then let him go the next year? That’s like losing two first rounders. it’s just assinine and pie in the skie and not worth holding out for.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 22, 2011 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
if there is no franchise tag
seymour is gone.
also every year that you franchise someone the price goes up to the new salary percentage or 120% of last years franchise tag. whichever is greater. that can really add up if seymour is not willing to sign a long term contract.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 23, 2011 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
Marvin Auston 2nd or 3rd round. Did you see him in the east/ west shrine game toaday?
by bmcrae83@yahoo.com on Jan 22, 2011 4:57 PM PST up reply actions
Here is a good site to scope that stuff out
http://www.kffl.com/static/nfl/features/freeagents/
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Better NT?
I agree with that if you are thinking that Franklin is gone next year. Franklin is one of the top 10-15 NTs in the league. He and Justin, are a big part of reason we have a good D Line. I agree we need an NT somewhere in this draft (looking at Ellis,Fua, the Baylor kid and Anthony Gray, and yes your boy Powe but I think he’s going too high to be picked based on our need scale).
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 22, 2011 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
I want him to gain weight again.
I want him to play at 340. Franklin has to be one of the top 10-15 NT are there even that many teams that run a 3-4?
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Yes I did misspeak there a bit
I meant one of the top 10 Defensive Tackles.
Here is what ESPN has as far as Defensive tackles in the NFL
Shaun Rogers
Kevin Williams
Vince Wilfork
Darnell Dockett
Albert Haynesworth
Haloti Ngata
Jay Ratliff
Kris Jenkins
Casey Hampton
Aubrayo Franklin
That’s top 10 by an organization that, I’m sorry I’d rate higher than you (or me) So yes one of the top 10-15 DTs in the NFL. Any further questions?
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 22, 2011 2:16 PM PST up reply actions
I didn't make the list
ESPN did..and that was probably based on last year. But still it shows Franklin as a top 10 to 15 Defensive tackle which is the point I was trying to make.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 22, 2011 2:29 PM PST up reply actions
Pretty crappy
How did anyone on our team do this year? Ranked top 10 last year what do you think he’ll lower. Funny thing is I don’t disagree with you on the need for an NT but if Franklin was 2 years younger I’d be signing him for a long term contract. I am just tired of people talking about player X being crap for having one down year and player Y being the best thing since sliced bread due to having one good year.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 22, 2011 2:51 PM PST up reply actions
Officially
Ngata is listed on the Baltimore depth chart as a DE.
He’s so disruptive they can play him there and use what is basically 2 NT’s.
Guess why you don’t run on the Ravens.
LOL yeah I meant DT in general
and so based on that probably one of the top 5 or 6 NTs.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 22, 2011 8:49 PM PST up reply actions
WR as the #3 priority?
We may have a serious hole at OLB if Manny leaves in FA. Or D-Line were J. Smith is getting older and Franklin leaves in FA.
Crabs is going to be a beast catching slants, hitches, hooks and outs. Using the #7 pick on a WR is too much of a luxury pick when we have gaping holes at QB, CB, and potentially DE and NT. But if AJ Green (if that is the WR that falls to #7) is far and away the best prospect available, then he could be a good pick.
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Not accounting for any of those guys being gone next year.
I fully expect to see Manny, Smith, and Franklin in red and gold next year.
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Smith doesn't seem to be that old.
He has a couple more years in him.
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And a couple is more than we need
to not only win the division but the SB in 2014. :-)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 22, 2011 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
That could be.
But will AJ Green last to #7? He’d have to get by the Bengals, who could lose both Ocho and TO; and the Browns who literally have no one at WR worthy of being called a #1. Also the Panthers could take him #1, but that’s very unlikely now that they’ve hired a former DC.
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by Hoopers Judge on Jan 21, 2011 11:55 PM PST up reply actions
Bengals and Bills.
Bengals could go secondary… and who knows where the Bills will go.
Panthers could… Steve Smith wants out. But Fairely should be the #1 pick.
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What about the Browns as well?
I can see them going for him in a heartbeat.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 22, 2011 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
Interesting
I can see Smith still here next year, but the other two I have worries about being able to keep.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 22, 2011 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
We can get a good NT in the 2nd round.
Jerrell Powe looks to be really good. Hopefully he slips to us.
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So you're saying Powe in the second round?
And what in the first and I’m assuming a QB in the 3rd. I like Powe but not in the second. I actually like Powe a lot but he’s not at our price point.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 22, 2011 2:20 PM PST up reply actions
He is late first early 2nd talent.
He is really explosive on the line and collapses the line.
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AJ Green, Crabs, Ted Ginn, and VD in a formation would crush the opposition.
Who the hell are ya gonna cover? And how are you gonna cover them? They all have a different threat that they bring.
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
Contingent on the QB of course
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Morgan needs to go the eff down when people have him wrapped around the legs
That drives me nuts and he’s fumbled like that before too. Ginn provides a deep threat…that’s why I throw him in that equation. He can dust DB’s like Desean… If you have a guy like that combined with the other three guys, its gonna be real difficult to defend.
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but ginn cant catch thats why miami traded him. he’s not a deep threat when no one in the league fears him as a wr because they know hes probably going to drop the ball
He's caught better for us than them.
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Ted Ginn isn't going to catch many deep balls.
But he’s going to take a CB with him, and possibly a Safety over the top as well.
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by Hoopers Judge on Jan 22, 2011 12:06 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
ginn should just be kept as a returner with few offensive plays. this is gonna sound crazy now but take VD from time to time to a receiver slot have him run deep as a real thought provoking threat to the defense and hit crabtree or morgan or walker with the open pass. idk just thoughts.
Right move him from an obvious mismatch, have him covered,, by someone his speed and not get open since he cant run routes well.
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well, could always
sign randy moss. after this season he wont get crap for offers. he still has great hands and draws double teams. if nothing else he would open up VD.
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i can just see delonte west winning a game of poker against lebron, throwing down the cards he yells, "who's your daddy!"...."oh, sorry man"
by remembering9ergods on Jan 22, 2011 6:42 AM PST up reply actions
I hear you, but...
that creates a dominated defender if the 9ers run the ball. the point is to move VD (and Delanie) around to create mismatches in formation. Not to mention, you can run him on a drag under the LBs with the CB trailing, which VD can turn into major yardage. And if a CB is covering VD, you figure there’s a mismatch elsewhere.
How long is Ginn signed for? Does anyone know off the top of their head?
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Until the end of 2011
He is paid 1 mil next year.
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Great point.
It’s gonna open things up in the middle of the field quite a bit. I imagine that the seam route that VD runs will be brought back in to the equation as well.
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That would be great.
But the Niners will score 30 points a game while the defense gives up 35 (maybe exaggerating a little).
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by Hoopers Judge on Jan 21, 2011 11:56 PM PST up reply actions
Not really exaggerating
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The Niners have the run defense, that's a given.
But I really don’t want to go into 2011 without a new starting CB or an heir apparent of some sort. But if we do take a WR or QB in the 1st, there are a few CBs in the 2nd who could start for us.
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by Hoopers Judge on Jan 22, 2011 12:03 AM PST up reply actions
Re: CB
Oh, me too… no question.
But the problem for me is that if we can’t get Peterson. we need to trade back. There aren’t any 1st round QB’s worth while IMO. But if Peterson is gone, I;d not care if we drafted AJ Green, I’d be okay with that pick because of how many quality CB’s would be there in the 2nd.
Would you draft Locker or Newton over Green at #7? I wouldn’t.
And for me, Amukamara is not worth it either.
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I would prefer to pick up an OLB
Besides I don’t think Green would fall past Cleveland. They desperately need a WR.
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Julio Jones is a better fit.
They like to run the ball. They don’t have a legit QB. Jones is a much better blocker than Green.
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Probably is considering how much Bama runs the ball
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Drafting a WR over another because he blocks better
That doesn’t make very much sense
by SanFranciscoKnights on Jan 22, 2011 12:21 AM PST up reply actions
It does if your team loves to run the ball.
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Jones is a monster.
He would get his fair share of balls thrown his way too. Green just isn’t the best blocker. NFL Teams take ALL in to consideration when making an investment
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If Green is as good as the media says he is, I find it hard to believe he would get passed on for another WR because he is better at blocking. Also I think the Colt McCoy is a legit QB, and with Shurmur they might become more of a passing offense.
by SanFranciscoKnights on Jan 22, 2011 12:31 AM PST up reply actions
Happens in every single draft.
Guys get passed up because another guy is better fit for the team. Take Russell Okung last year for instance. Trent Williams fit better for his scheme…Okung was the #1 prospect… you just never know.
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*fit better for Shanahan's scheme
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Not with WR
That’s what they do is catch balls. NFL your #1 WR is dynamic, he isn’t a run blocker. Look at Moss, he didn’t last this long because he was a devastating run blocker.
Green is hands down the best player at his position doing what he is supposed to do which is catch balls. He goes before Jones and really its crazy to think otherwise. I’m with SFKnights, it’s crazy to think Green gets passed up because someone else can run block better.
Ok.
Well I guess by that logic they’re gonna draft Green for sure if he’s there and Peyton Hillis will only rush for 400 yards while Green catches 120 passes for 1400 yards with 25 TD’s.
I’ve stated my opinion, and people are entitled to theirs. Only teams try and do what’s best for them. There is no denying that.
FYI, Julio Jones is really, really, really good at the WR position too. He is not one-dimensional.
The 49ers drafted Crabtree because he was a better blocker than Maclin, Harvin, or Britt. Therefore he fit the 49ers scheme better…according to them.
And players ALWAYS get picked when they are supposed to? Hogwash.
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
That's NOT why Crabtree was picked
Crabtree was picked because he was the best WR in college.
Two time Biletnikoff winner is because he is the best WR in college. NOT because he is a good blocker. Dude was the biggest playmaker coming out of college and was known as a natural passcatcher.
NOT because he was a good blocker in Texas Tech’s spread offense. Now you are getting crazy.
I’m not saying players are ALWAYS picked where they are supposed to, but what I’m saying is Jones won’t go before Green because he is a better blocker. That’s just crazy. If Jones goes before Green, it’s because they think he is the better WR not run blocker. You want a good run blocker take a TE or a RT.
You wanna go that route? I can just throw out
DHB’s name then. Crabtree was the 2nd receiver picked, Cause the Raiders are more fond of speed and athleticism.
Teams have different philosophy’s. Plain and simple. Jones COULD go to the Browns before Green is picked.
Like I said before, just cause a guy is rated higher from a media stand point, doesn’t equal he is going to go first at his repsective position.
You cannot sit there and tell me there are countless picks that blow people away each and every draft. Not that Jones would blow anyone away… it’s easily possible and would not shock me one single bit.
That specific draft with Crabtree just goes to show that you can never count on anything for sure.
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DHB was the fastest WR in the draft
Are different things more important to different teams? Yes of course. But to picking a WR who is not as good as another, just because he can run block, is crazy. It’s like picking an OT because he has better hands out of the backfield. Or picking a LB because he can throw a tighter spiral.
If all things are considered equal between a WR, then I can see run blocking tipping the scales. But no way is someone going to pass over the better pass catcher at WR, to draft a better run blocker. NO WAY.
It's more like...
Picking a lineman who is faster out of his stance over the guy who locks up better, or picking a LB who can spy the running back better…
Wide receivers block, that is a big portion of what they do… Is it lower on the list than good hands and route running? Yes, but they will block defenders more plays than they will catch passes on… It can, and does happen…
Besides, If AJ Green is the “10” at his position, Julio Jones is a 9.8… Not a big drop off…
AJ Green is better than .2 over Jones
No way Jones goes over Green because he is a better run blocker. That’s the whole point that was made.
Green is the better WR, so he will go first. Run blocking breaks a tie but no way does someone say, I’d rather have Josh Morgan because he run blocks better than Calvin Johnson.
I am so going to laugh at you when and if that happens.
You are acting like NOTHING in the history of the draft has EVER happened like that… or because of that.
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Ridiculous comparison.
strawman.
Josh Morgan = Julio Jones?
and
AJ Green = Calvin Johnson?
I really hope that is a joke… I mean seriously? Seriously?
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
You are acting like AJ Green is the 2nd coming of Jerry Rice.
Julio Jones is going to be a stud in this league.It would not surprise me one bit if he winds up a Pro Bowler in the league.
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
You are acting like AJ Green is the 2nd coming of Jerry Rice.
Julio Jones is going to be a stud in this league.It would not surprise me one bit if he winds up a Pro Bowler in the league.
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Wow way to get your point across
4 posts replying to yourself. Awesome.
Quit being so defensive. I doubt Jones goes before Green because he can run block better. Simple as that.
I don’t know for sure, but I doubt it. OK?
I didn't respond to myself.
No need to be condescending.
As the thread narrows, the posts fall to the bottom… I am sure you are well aware of that though and were more or less just trying to be smart.
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Using an Al Davis pick as evidence isn't very strong
He’s a senile old man who doesn’t have any idea what he’s doing anymore
by monkey spanker on Jan 23, 2011 5:19 PM PST up reply actions
Okay. Say what you will about them, but his draft last year was pretty solid.
Every team makes bad picks throughout history.
And there are SEVERAL other accounts of this happening with other teams throughout draft history.
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It does when he goes 6'4"
225 lbs, runs a 4.4 and jumps 40"
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 24, 2011 4:45 AM PST up reply actions
And if the other guy has better hands, is more polished, and runs a better 40?
Cmon, all things being equal, run blocking comes into account, but in my opinion its way down the totem pole of what is being evaluated. Receiving skills first and foremost will be graded.
OLB should be an option with Miller, Quinn, and Bowers available.
Aldon Smith also seems to be shooting up draft boards.
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He broke his leg at some point in 2010. But was able to return.
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by Hoopers Judge on Jan 22, 2011 12:21 AM PST up reply actions
Broken Fibula ok than its not that bad. If it was the ACL I would be a little worried.
Missouri football coach Gary Pinkel announced Monday morning during the Big 12 Conference teleconference that sophomore defensive end Aldon Smith would miss next Saturday’s game against Miami (Ohio) with a broken fibula in his right leg.
"It’s just a big bruise," Smith said Monday, just minutes after Pinkel confirmed that Smith would miss one or two weeks.
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i like Aldon Smith.
i would not be upset if we took him at #7, unless Peterson was there.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
Definitely exaggerating. This FA class is loaded on defense in our areas of need.
A trade back is gonna be the best move. We don’t have to have Green to add to the WRs. Harris late first and we can add a WR, Olb, and another cb. Maybe the Pats trade their two #1’s
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They'd trade them
to move down. This is in no way a draft I see them moving up in.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 22, 2011 12:13 PM PST up reply actions
Errr...
It won’t be that hard, trust me.
Teams routinely covered Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Pierre Garcon, and Dallas Clark.
Peyton won’t be throwing to our guys, and they were a much better lineup.
And I think you are overestimating the impact of Ginn and Crabs.. neither one has shown that they are difficult to cover with one man. Crabs is routinely covered quite easily by mediocre cornerbacks.
Historically 1st round wide receivers are the worst investments you can make..
LOL, seriously?
“Routinely” cover those guys? Umm…NO. Simply no. I don’t mean to be rude but you could have used a better example to make your point than that. ‘Cause its not a good one. Peyton Manning doesn’t have one of the highest completion percentages in NFL history bc his WR’s are routinely covered.
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by Drew Kerr on Jan 22, 2011 12:10 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes..
Pops is a Colts fan.. I watched every game with him in 2008 before I moved halfway across the world.
They were more often covered than not when they went 3 wide with a split out TE. Most of their success comes when they go with a 2 TE 1 RB set.
Your pops is a Colts fan... but Manning has one of the highest comp rates in history.
??? … I’m lost… sorry. Not sure how that associates with the 2011 49ers.
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I mean I watched every single game that year..
Regardless of the stats, regardless of your impressions, he didn’t have guys running around open just because he had talent on the field.
It associates with the 2011 Niners because you made the statement that with Ginn, Crabs, VD, and AJ Green nobody would be able to cover us.
I provided an example of better collections of talent that teams have been able to cover with success.
If you want, we can look at the Saints collection of wideouts, and the teams that have been able to cover them.
You seem to be under the impression that because there is a Hall of Fame quarterback that there must have been receivers running around uncovered, and that there would be on our team if we just drafted AJ Green.. and you are wrong.
I guess I just don't see it like you do.
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Re: Crabs and Ginn
I think you underestimate their potential under a non-Singletary coached team.
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I still remember some of the circus catches Crabs made this year.
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someone should tell our QB
to not throw crabs high balls running through the middle though. too many tipped balls for ints. but maybe it was just the QB we had hopefully
High fast balls
That are not far down the field. They weren’t the best throws.
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None since they all drop catchable balls
granted, not sure about Green.
by asmithisaverage on Jan 24, 2011 2:07 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
This is the order that I would pick in the first round
1. Patrick Peterson – Do I need to explain myself
2.AJ Green – Can you imagine a group of Green, Crabtree, VD, and Walker
3. Ryan Mallett/Jake Locker I am conflicted between the two but QB is a necessity.
4. Von Miller
5. Robert Quinn I know Quinn has more talent than Miller but I hate drafting players that have poor character.
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A live draft just had him slip to the 2nd.
I messed up. So badly.
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Not some...
A LOT of work. I don’t get everyone’s crush on him.
I mean, he is a QB who earns a living on his ability to throw the ball, and the way he does it, is completely wrong. Those guys are 5th rounders like Nate Davis, not 3rd rounders.
I agree
He has upside, but kid is a developmental QB, he has a lot of question marks all swirling around his double play arm.
Its mostly footwork thats the problem
and some character problems
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And his windup
So now we are at footwork issues, and a crappy wind up…screams 5th round developmental QB to me. What do you think?
his release isn't that bad.
But no there is more than just footwork and release. He has crazy potential and doesn’t have any learning disabilities. He honestly just has to rework his footwork. He is a 2nd round prospect.
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Release is different than his throwing motion
No way he goes in 2nd round. 3rd at best and even then I hope it’s not to us.
Mallett?
as much stuff as he has to work on, there’s no way he gets out of the 2nd round. I’d be pretty surprised if he even makes it to the niners’ 2nd round pick
by monkey spanker on Jan 23, 2011 6:01 PM PST up reply actions
I was wondering why you were talking about a wind up with Mallett
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Yeah and I was wondering what you were talking about saying he didn't
and he had a quick release. I was like, have you seen him wind up? lol
My bad…
Its all good
But I agree on your opinion of Kaepernick.
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Did you see that Kaepernick was 6ft 4.5 in
Funny how much smaller everyone is when they weighed in today.
Where did you see that?
The official Senior Bowl website has him listed at 6’6".
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Did they show that on the SB practice thing on NFLN?
I just turned it on.
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Here is the link of the weigh ins
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Mallett doesn't have any LD's...
But he’s still retarded.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 24, 2011 4:51 AM PST up reply actions
great comment
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 24, 2011 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
Mallet nor Locker
are worth the 7 at this time. Locker at 7 I would be a bit high but although I’d bitch about it, I’d be ok with it.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 22, 2011 1:33 PM PST up reply actions
I'm reviewing it again.
Rewatching games again. Locker does remind me a little of Alex Smith too. He seems to throw high a little bit and seems to break from the pocket a little before it is needed. Other than that I don’t really see the similarities.
Mallett has the physical abilities to play QB just needs to work on his footwork.
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McShay
Finally came around to saying that Mallet is a 2nd round talent. I’d love him in the 2nd round. No way he goes there though.
I think McShay had him around 18 or so. I like Locker, if we have to reach say 10 picks in the first round, I’m ok with it if they think he is the guy. I don’t care if he is looking like a 33rd pick, if he is a guy we think we can win with, we need to get him. You don’t worry about slotting or reaching for your QBOTF.
I wouldn't mind trading back into mid teens and trade up again into the first round again to pick up Mallett or Locker
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I beginning to wonder if ANY QB's will be taken in the 1st...
…or should be for that matter.
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I believe Quinn could be an absolute beast, almost like DeMarcus Ware type.
And I keep hearing that Miller is a one trick pony. That he doesn’t do well in coverage or run defense.
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by Hoopers Judge on Jan 22, 2011 12:00 AM PST up reply actions
He wasn't asked to do those things in college
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Miller can do more
But I was underwhelmed looking at his tape on youtube.
I saw a guy that 90% of the time rushed to the outside and a lot of times got ridden out of the play as a non factor. He seriously used the same move so many times it was crazy.
Quinn is a freak. Could be great, could also be worthless (see Jets pick at #6 from two years ago). Miller is smaller, but unreal fast AND quick. May have issues setting the edge as a 3-4 OLB, but he will get to the QB. I don’t value that position as much as CB, but replacing PH with Miller (or Quinn, if he’s the real deal) could bump us up the charts 5-10 spots based on their speed and pass rush.
We were soo excited to possibly get Gholston
I remember a lot of people thought he would be a beast.
awww
but little nicky wanted to grind
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by remembering9ergods on Jan 22, 2011 9:02 AM PST up reply actions
what makes you think Robert Quinn has poor character?
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
for accepting, what, a few thousand dollars in improper benefits?
half the first round picks probably did that and just didn’t get caught.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
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you want to talke about dumb,
all he had to do was pay the guy back that gave him the hundreds of thousands of dollars to be his agent and all this stuff would have not happened.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 23, 2011 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
the fact that he got caught doesn't mean he is dumb.
i’m not actually sure how he got caught, but we can’t just assume it was because he is stupid.
either way, if we want to know how smart he is we can always wait until the combine and hope his Wonderlic score is leaked.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
They usually are.
But if everyone is doing it and he is the only one caught…
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A.J. Green got caught.
is he dumb?
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
by these3words on Jan 23, 2011 10:54 PM PST up reply actions
at least he knows how to use a computer.
he’s got Ryan Mallett beat already!!
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by these3words on Jan 25, 2011 12:38 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Haha, nice!
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no way milller goes before quinn
many consider von miller to be slightly undersized and quinn is just as quick if not quicker then miller
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 23, 2011 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
I'd like to see another Charles Haley drafted.
Obviously a QB is #1, but we need a pass rush, not just on Blitzes, but someone who is a treat on their own. Opposing QB’s had all the time in the world most of the time and no matter how good a back field we have, someone will get open, so I think we need someone who can pressure the QB. We have decnt recievers, maybe not great, but good. So I think after a QB pick, then we need to work more Defensive picks.
No one is talking about Marcel Dareus. He's the guy opposite J. Smith who can pressure the QB
Fairley is awesome, but Dareus played 3-4 DE and was outstanding this and last year. Soap isn’t bad, but too slow to pressure QB. An idea if the 2 CBs, Fairley, Green, Bowers and Miller are gone and Quinn isn’t as good as advertised.
I think it's very possible Dareus goes to us at #7.
My preference is Peterson, Dareus, Locker, Quinn
Here's my 2 cents
Trent Baalke is good at geting what the coach wants. Sing wanted a smash mouth football team and Baalke worked towards that.
I know I’m no expert but i feel that 49ers would have a decent draft if they got an CB in the first, QB in second or third, OLB taken second or third, then go depth.
I do not think that baalke
drafted two o-lineman just for sing.
I think that baalke was thinking long term and the real improvement on the o-line will be this year.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 23, 2011 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
The problem is, is that the 49ers have TOO many areas of concern. It almost doesn’t matter who they draft, as long as it’s to fill one of those positions. I also think they’re going to have to find some RB depth too. All these areas aren’t going to be filled within 1 off season either.
That being said, if there is no clear cut QB in this draft (and I’ll let Harbaugh determine is that is true or not), then I think they should sign a veteran, or trade for someone. If you trade for a guy, they will have to give up a 2nd rounder for someone who is a little more proven, like Orton or Kolb. Get one of those guys, and you now don’t have to worry about your biggest area of concern. You can focus the first pick on a CB. I feel like, if they draft a QB in the 2nd or 3rd round, that he’s obviously not a guy who can come in and play right away…. so you’ll have to go out and someone else who is capable of being a solid QB, or else you’re going to have to throw next year away.
WR depth. I think Crabtree can still be a #1 guy. I personally think that he gave up last year. I don’t think he ever wanted to be here. Maybe with Harbaugh he will think differently. If they go out and get a QB, maybe his level of concentration will go up. Sometimes it just takes a few years for a WR to “get it” and put everything together… and they also have to be in the right system.. Just look at Brandon Lloyd.
He can be a number 1, but he gave up last year??
Number 1 as in demand a double-team? That’s what a true #1 is. Whether fast or slow, he has to be a threat on all downs, and Crabtree is not it. McBooFoo, has no clue what a number 1 is, do you?
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by remembering9ergods on Jan 22, 2011 6:44 AM PST up reply actions
+1. Opposite Crabtree, he provides a great vertical threat and big target on quick slants
round 2 pick, hopefully
Jeff Garcia
The question is now, will Jim Harbaugh be able to cultivate the next Steve Young … or will it be the next Jeff Garcia?
I don’t understand the knock. I’d be absolutely thrilled with another Jeff Garcia.
Well the comment also included Alex Smith.
It was basically just a question like player a, player b, or player c. It wasn’t a knock at all if you go back up and read it again.
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the question is...
which QB in this draft has the best chance of being the next Jeff Garcia?
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
I don't want next Garcia
Why do I want my QB to play in the UFL?
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i would love to have the next Jeff-Garcia-in-his-prime.
assuming his prime is longer than Jeff’s 3 years.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
Well the next Jeff Garcia plays in the UFL.
If we got the Jeff Garcia in his prime I would be open to that.
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what was wrong with jeff garcia?
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 23, 2011 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
I'd say DE/OLB/Joker is priority #3 over WR.
the Niner offense would get better with an elite QB—more production out of the same guys. I don’t like any of the QBs in the 1st round, though, so I’d rather look elsewhere.
The defense needs an infusion of talent on the back end and on the pass rush edges—and a deficiency in one area could be made up by an improvement in the other. The Niners haven’t had a 10-sack guy since Andre Carter, and haven’t had a top-flight DB since Walt Harris went to the Pro Bowl. Those are the areas I’d address first.
Props to York/Baalke for reeling in Harbaugh. Now everybody get back to work!
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Yea....
priority number 1 is QB but that doesnt mean we have to take one in the 1st round.
priority number 2 is secondary and Prince amukamara, and Patrick Peterson sound really good on the 49ers roster.
Priority number 3 is OLB/DE and the more pressure we get on the QB the shorter time our secondary has to cover.
Wild Card: is more secondary the CB position is supposedly deep this draft so that means keep get 3 at least secondary members…. and release guys like will james and tramaine Brock
Marcus Gilchrist from Clemson?
Anyone got any “spec” on him? He looks a bit small for safety but maybe a late rounder (6-7, hoping 7)? Also anyone have any input on Brian Lainhart?
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 22, 2011 11:30 AM PST reply actions
Drew have you soured on Tolzien?
Not seen him in your rankings for a late round WCO QB of late. I’ll have to look in the film vault (LOL IE Youtube) for some “tape” on Ben.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 22, 2011 11:34 AM PST reply actions
Does anyone else think that Jake Locker throws a little bit high?
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Correct the footwork you will correct the problem?
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Yep.
If you throw off your back foot, your leading shoulder will be higher than your trailing shoulder, which makes the ball go high. Got to keep your shoulders level which is why footwork and balance are so important for QB.
ohhh
That makes sense. Footwork is teachable so this problem could be corrected. Do you think that the pressure is making him throw off his back foot?
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Absolutely
Stand and try to throw off your back foot, then look in the mirror half way through and notice your lead shoulder up. Ball will sail. Same in baseball when pitching and throwing.
The problem is always...
That yes.. footwork technically is teachable.
But when you have a guy who’s been doing it the same way since he was 7 years old… thats well over a decade of habit forming.
One of my old coaches used to say…
Practice does not make perfect.
Practice makes permanent.
If you do it wrong in practice, that’s what will set in, and that’s how you’ll do it when the ball is snapped.
So he doesn’t have to just learn footwork. He has to unlearn footwork, then learn it again. The unlearning is the hard part.
That’s why when scouts see a guy who’s footwork needs adjustment.. they give them a little black mark, note it, and move on.
When scouts see a guy who is doing everything wrong with his footwork.. they give him a huge black mark, note it, and drop him 2-3 rounds down the draft board because it will take half a year of constant work just to unlearn his bad habits, and then he still has to learn good habits.. and oh yeah.. the offense.
Locker spent the last two years learning the WCO.
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No... he's spent the last two years..
Reading one of a million versions of a WCO playbook..
and then getting in a real game and just having to run for his life and play backyard football.
I'd be pretty upset
If we ended up withTitus Young in 2nd and Kaepernick in the 3rd.
Both of those guys are WAY too high up there. MAYBE Kaepernick in the 3rd but man he needs some work. Young in the 2nd is a little crazy.
I’m surprised by your rankings of needs. I think QB, CB, OLB. I would love a #1 WR but only way I draft one early is if I’m getting Green or Jones. Otherwise Young in the 4th could be doable, but 2nd is just crazy.
I just want an impact player at any of those positions, I don’t just want to fill roster spots by trading back, I want Pro Bowlers. We need at least one out of this draft so if we can get one, I don’t care if it’s WR, QB, OLB, CB, etc…I just want some dynamic players. I’m sick of the underacheiving Manny Lawsons, Alex Smiths, Chilo Rachal’s, etc…
Why is young crazy in the 2nd?
He runs precise routes, he is a DeSean Jackson type of deep threat, with speed to compare. I dont think I have EVER seen him drop a pass. You seriously would be shocked if he was picked in the 2nd?
We have Pro Bowlers. We got potential Pro Bowlers last year. What is your concern?
The only reason that certain players on that roster have been underachieving is due to the incompetency of the coaches that they have been listening to. I think you will see a complete 180 from a lot of those guys you mention within the next year or two.
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He dropped once I remember
He slid to the ground and it hit him in the chest and it fell out.
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Sounds like a bad pass if he's having to slip to the ground
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It was a decent throw.
He was covered. and that was the only spot to go. It still hit him in the chest but that was the only drop this season that I can remember and I watched every single Boise game except for the bowl game which is when I was out of town.
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hmm...
Ask manraj: who’s fault was it? Kellen Moore or anyone else? I think we knew that answer before the reply already.
4.37 or so...
I think DeSean had a 4.29 at the combine…or something like that. But that’s Young’s unofficial. He could do better or worse… either way, he is pretty quick and knows how to get good separation like Jackson.
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Here is a nice little youtube feed on him for anyone curious about him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPM5ttLp_Qg&feature=related
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and don't forget this pass
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4c16ankVNds&feature=related
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Too bad it was washed away with Boise State fan tears later on, haha
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God most depressing game ever.
One moment I was running around like woohooo what a pass and catch. Then I was like ///.
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Is he a slot guy?
Because I thought Crabtree was a slot guy?
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Crabtree should be, but he's not.
Doesn’t really matter.
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6:20 in...WOW
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I've read as high as 4.4 but nothing is in stone
If so, he in between Patrick Willis speed and DeSean Jackson speed. That just goes to show you how far off .11 of a second is in 40 times. Is he fast, yes, but to say he has DeSean Jackson speed thats a little much.
He is just as close to Patrick Willis, as he is to DeSean Jackson.
Oh...sigh...man...
Now he is as slow as a LB? …..Lord help me……
He gets “seperation” like DeSean Jackson.
.08 is less than a 10th of a second. That’s like half a step slower (if that).
CJ ran a 4.24, DeSean ran a 4.29… .05 difference. I don’t think that if they raced that CJ would beat DeSean as badly as you are trying to make it sound like DeSean would beat Titus Young.
I think there is a bit of exaggeration to what you are trying to prove.
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Some had a comment about how little of a difference it made
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That was me.
A 4.4 and a 4.5 is a small difference.
If you have those two guys in an even footrace, they get to almost midfield before the guy with a 4.4 has a 1 yard lead.
If you spot the 4.5 guy 5 yards, they can race the length of the field and the 4.4 guy won’t catch him.
If you spot the 4.5 guy 3 yards, they 4.4 guy will catch him on the opposite 3 yard line.
That’s why it’s always more important for a WR to be a good route runner than it is for him to be a burner.
There is no such thing as an “extra gear” that can make a slower guy outrun a faster guy… but given 5 yards of separation.. there just isn’t enough field for the faster guy to catch up.
It's the difference between a guy that runs DeSean Jackson speed
And a guy that runs Patrick Willis speed. Put someone right in the middle, and there is .1.
It's not a full .1
You are exaggerating
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4.4???
I’m done… you are being ridiculous now. Show me one CREDIBLE source that has him listed as a 4.4… you keep going up in time…. not looking too good for your argument there.
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I NEVER went up in time. That was exactly what I was quoting from the start.
Show me where you got 4.37.
I specifically in my comment said I HAVE READ AS HIGH AS 4.4. I couldn’t find any official times which is why I used 4.4 as it’s the safest.
Willis
In case you forgot too, Willis ran a 4.37 at his pro day.
The 4.49 he ran at the combine, was off a bit. He was still nursing a partially torn ACL.
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why do people say the niners need to get faster on defense?
i do not get it.
willis is probably the fastest ilb
clements ran 4.38, lawson was 4.4 something
just smith ran pretty fast and is still running around to almost every play down field.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 24, 2011 10:43 AM PST up reply actions
#2? I think he could overshadow Crabtree... I think he has THAT much potential.
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I don't think he is that good.
and I’m a Boise homer.
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But he has great hands and great speed.
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I don't think he is better than Crabtree
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Actually he might help Crabtree become a great WR.
If he really can stretch the field.
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I think Crabtree has far better hands
but Young has tons of potential. I’d be very happy if we picked up Young in the 2nd
Youngs hands are really, really good... just sayin'
Look at that feed above if you haven’t already
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Highlight reel
How many times did he drop it that didn’t make it into that film.
Cmon guy, don’t buy the hype. Anybody can look good with a highlight reel.
And what "film" do you have on his drops?
What film do you have as well of AJ Green making drops? I agree that a highlight film is not something to go off on one way or the other but you have to realize that he made some catches. From my memory JR and JT dropped some balls as well.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 23, 2011 3:44 PM PST up reply actions
Of course he did
But people also make basketball shots off a building. How many times do you think it took them to make it? If it’s 100 times, does that mean they have skill?
All I’m saying is, let’s not cite a highlight reel and expect the guy to have great hands solely because of it.
And all I'm saying is let's look for his lowlights
Highlights are highlights and you can respect a player for what is shown. If you have something to show otherwise then show it. Otherwise the point is moot.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 23, 2011 5:25 PM PST up reply actions
Would you like me to make you a youtube video of his drops?
My point being is, he made some great catches, and he looks like he has pretty good hands, but let’s be real, he probably dropped more than he caught. We don’t know, but it’s not like his hands are glue. Even some of the catches in that video were bobbled.
No it's not like his hands are glue
No one’s is..except for that Steeler player from way back LOL. My point is that yes this is footage of him doing something good and now you’re noting something he did wrong with no proof statistically nor visually. I’m saying if you’re going to diss someone bring stats or something of value to back it up.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 23, 2011 5:35 PM PST up reply actions
Oh cmon
If your going to say someone is good, bring game film. Is the video fun to watch, yes, but I highly doubt a scout will use it in his evaluations.
And if you're going to refute that statement
bring game film as well. Don’t ask for what you can’t or are unwilling to give is all I’m saying.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 23, 2011 5:40 PM PST up reply actions
I've never said anything other don't base your thoughts on a guy because of a highlight video
We don’t know how many catches he made compared to drops.
I shouldn’t have to back up something that’s obvious. Highlight videos are low on the totem pole for scouts, and should be for us as well.
And my simple point is
that dissing a player without proof is as bad as lauding a player without proof. That’s all I’m saying.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 23, 2011 5:44 PM PST up reply actions
I didn't diss him
I said, don’t judge the guy based on his highlight reel because we don’t know how many he dropped.
No we don't nor how many he caught
from that highlight. I’m just saying that if someone brings something as evidence, passing hearsay about his drops are not a good retort and by the way I didn’t count his catches, I looked at how he caught them and how easy or hard they were to catch.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 23, 2011 5:53 PM PST up reply actions
And this is what should be done...thanks for doing that.
since none of us have any game film…or a stat that tells us how many targets he got and what % of them he dropped….
If somebody can’t bring that, then you can’t bring a solid argument.
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Cmon
Don’t believe the hype from a produced highlight video.
Get real. I’m not saying he doesn’t have hands, but when we are saying someone is good, like you said, let’s stay away from the hype videos please.
He has decent hands
doesn’t drop a lot.
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I trust my eyes and what I've seen in watching him play in the last 3 years or so.
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Ok, now this I can get on board with
But saying he has great hands, then posting a highlight “trick” video to emphasize it, I struggled with.
Fact of the matter is that none of us have game film.
I happen to watch more college football than I probably should. It doesn’t make me an expert, but I can tell you if a player is good or not.
Titus Young is good. I was pretty spot on for most the mos part in all my predictions in my 100 in 100 series last year. Which goes to show just how closely I pay attention. That should count for something…being accurate. It’s not like it’s all that easy to look at a college player and tell whether or not he’s gonna have success at the next level. Sure there are a few that you just “know” are going to be good, but the rest, you are always flirting with gray area.
So let me ask you this, what makes you feel like your opinion is so superior that you post 10 times trying to convince ChesapekeBay9er that your opinion is spot on?
And more importantly, do you have access to college game film? If not, you should not assume that the kid drops a ton of passes. If you are willing to “assume”, you are willing to be wrong.
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I never said Titus Young isn't good
Where did I say that?
All I did is say that he is just as close to running a Patrick Willis time as he is running a DeSean Jackson time, which was in response to you saying he was as fast as Jackson.
Then, I just said, let’s not base how good he is because of a produced highlight reel.
Simple. I’ve actually wanted him as a draft pick, I’d love him on the team, I just don’t get caught up in the hype machine. I don’t want him with 2nd round pick.
You like to get defensive and put words in people’s mouths. I never said he sucked, I just said let’s temper or thoughts a little. He is rumored to run a 4.37 to 4.4. If it’s a 4.4, then he is just as fast compared to Willis as he is to Jackson, and if he isn’t comparable to Willis, then he isn’t comparable to Jackson. Follow that now?
He probably has great hands, and in fact, I love watching him catch passes, he looks very natural, but I’m not going to show a video of him catching passes, when we don’t know how often he dropped them, to show how good he is. It’s like you taping a video of me hitting a hole in one, then saying I’m good, when we don’t know if it took me 1 shot, or 1000 shots. Follow that now?
I like Young…I think he is good….Follow that now?
Love the positivity
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He doesn't look bad
3rd rounder huh? (Seems to be what ESPN and CBS are scoping him out to be). I wouldn’t give up Devlin or Dalton for him LOL (dependient on the prior turns of event) but yeah he looks nice.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 23, 2011 8:47 PM PST up reply actions
Depends.
If he runs in between a 4.34-4.38 or something close to that at the combine, then he’s gone in the second for sure. Combine doesn’t matter for some positions, but there are a few that will be impacted a bunch by the combine (and, or) pro day results.
If he does averagely, he prob will be a solid 3rd round slotting. But don’t be surprised if somebody takes a chance on him in the 2nd.
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yeah and LOL I already have those slots plugged
not for specific players as much as for types. IE: CB, QB and maybe Rush OLB. I would love him but based on need for the team wouldn’t it almost be a “luxury pick”? And this brings about another question. Given our current set of receivers would a kind of small speedster like Titus or a big boy like Greg Little (or Hankerson) be a better fit?
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 23, 2011 8:59 PM PST up reply actions
Do we really have any speedsters on the team?
Ginn? Can’t catch very well. What good is speed if you’re only catching 60% of the passes thrown your way? Kyle Williams? Sure. He ran a 4.34… but we really don’t know if he;s gonna make it. We have nothing to go off of. And to be honest, he wasn’t even ASU’s #1… Chris McGaha was.
I really feel we are weak at the WR position, which is why I don’t think of it as a luxury pick. Specifically if we are targeting a trade for a veteran QB. We can go CB in the 1st….
We will just have to see how it plays out. But as of now, I am almost certain that a veteran QB will be starting for the 49ers next year. There are now QB’s in this draft that will be ready to start from day 1.
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*no QB's in this draft that will be ready to start from day 1.
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BUT... I actually was really happy about the Kyle Williams pick.
I really hope that he heals okay and everything is back to normal, ‘cause this kid CAN BE insanely good. I miss watching him play at ASU. He’s something else to watch in person.
Here’s some of his highlights when he was there, in case anyone forgot:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HzSB804F_Q
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jason hill is a speedster
but he was released by the niners.
I think he MAY even ran fast then ginn maybe in the combine
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 24, 2011 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
Well you kinda helped make the point ...
with the McGaha reference. I liked (and I think you did do) McGaha a lot. Why? Because he was a big guy with really good hands. And I kinda like my WRs with a bit of size to them. Yep you’re totally right that we have Ginn and KW (both guys I like) that have some holes to their game. I think we having them (and VD to an extent, but he’s an anomaly) as long threats, and then having Crabs there, that if we have a big boy in the (taking some picks from last year as examples) the McGaha, Eric Decker mold that might be a good additive to our WR corps. We have some speedsters and they have some value but we also need to look at getting some “meat” on our WR corps, just a feeling. Moss is 210, Owens is 224, Marshall is 230. That’s kinda what I’m looking for, in that mold, to compliment our speedsters. Again this is just a feeling of mine. I’m keeping my eye on Little, Tolliver, Hankerson, and even to a small degree Salas.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 24, 2011 4:38 PM PST up reply actions
Mayock has him rated as his #4.
If everyone else does, then chances are he goes in the 2nd round.
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Its the level of comp and the fact he plays for Boise.
Boise gets knocked for being a gimmicky offense.
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Yeah
and they have the midget with the weird name playing QB there too ;-)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 23, 2011 9:09 PM PST up reply actions
...
A midget that can ball. When Peyton Manning throws the ball he says Moore.
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I agree with this
The 49ers need a Pro Bowler than the new coaching staff needs to manufacture a competitive player at another position of need.
It's Whore-baugh, remember?
We need some stand out guys
Be it QB, WR, OLB, etc…
I don’t want to just fill spots by trading back and getting guys that make the team. I want an Aaron Rodger, an Orakpo, Devin Hester, Darelle Revis, etc…I don’t care where, I want someone that can be a game changer. Not a guy that doesn’t get beat for long TDs at CB, or a game manager at QB. I’m so sick of mediocrity.
The reality is this................
The Combine is where we will see who is about what .
Until then, this is nothing more than specualtion.
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by ericalancanty on Jan 22, 2011 10:43 PM PST up reply actions
lol
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 22, 2011 11:46 PM PST up reply actions
I sometimes wonder if their big board is built based off of 40-times
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I take back what i said yesterday about Devlin he’s no way near ready to be a starter in the NFL. He’s a 3rd or 4th round pick at best.
by bmcrae83@yahoo.com on Jan 22, 2011 4:49 PM PST reply actions
Why? 'cause he threw one INT in a game where he had one week to prepare with his team?
I would not put too much stock in that ONE game… he had a helluva year…and career for that matter. We need to wait and see more. I value Mike Mayock’s opinion quite a bit. More than the two jokers on ESPN anyway. Mayock said he is going to go back and look at more game film. But he spoke very highly of the kid throughout the game.
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Poor footwork, releasing the ball too soon.
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So when he is throwing the ball he throws it at the apex of the delivery instead of later down?
Its teachable though right.
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if you don't plant right the ball will sail on you. it's all teachable.
by ericalancanty on Jan 22, 2011 10:46 PM PST up reply actions
Ahhh ok.
That makes it better. Considering that this is only the second year that Locker has had a QB coach ever. I guess I can understand why he has some problems.
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I explained above
Has mostly to do with your shoulders. Off the back foot, your lead shoulder is higher than the trailing shoulder and ball sails. If they are balanced, shoulders are equal, allowing ball to go where you aim.
I guess... it really depends on the player.
That is a HUGE reason why Matt Leinart failed. If you ever paid close enough attention to his passes, they often sailed and floated high with the nose of the football never coming back down. He released early, he had terrible footwork, and threw off his back foot a lot.
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Don't forget about Leinart attitude.
It seems that all of those things are fixable.
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I don't hate him... he is a 3rd stringer for a reason though.
I think it would be a waste of time. We need to be looking for an established veteran and some rookie talent behind him. Not a former bust and then hope he works out.
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Matt an I actually have mutual friends.
I have never met him, but I have friends who hang out with him quite a bit.
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I don't hate him... he is a 3rd stringer for a reason though.
I think it would be a waste of time. We need to be looking for an established veteran and some rookie talent behind him. Not a former bust and then hope he works out.
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When I meant hate I meant strongly dislike as a starting QB
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Ok which one would you prefer?
Option A
1. Prince Amukamara CB Nebraska
2. Jerrel Powe NT Ole Miss
3. Pat Devlin QB Delaware
Option B
1. Jake Locker QB UW
2. Aaron Williams CB Texas
3. Dontay Moch OLB Nevada
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I like B a lot better.
I’m not high on Prince, and while I like the pick of Powe and Devlin, I think Locker has a much higher ceiling than Devlin with a similar floor. Moch has potential but needs to get bigger and refine his technique from what I’ve read.
Is it draft day yet?
Yeah but
Locker at #7 still scares me.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jan 22, 2011 8:13 PM PST up reply actions
I don't completely agree with that
I see Locker falling to the late 20s or early 2nd round. And, no matter what i see Prince going top 10. I do think that Amukamara has bust potential, but that is a chance you take at CB
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jan 22, 2011 8:33 PM PST up reply actions
that's a chance you take at any position
but his risk is higher than most, IMO. Locker might fall or he might not… I’m not committed at this point.
Is it draft day yet?
I agree, there is no given in regards to the draft
However, Locker’s bust potential is greater than Prince’s. That has some to do with the position he plays, and some to do with Locker himself.
I never like to get into trade scenarios, but the 49ers could trade back into the first and select Locker/Mallett/Gabbert in the 20s, if they fall.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jan 22, 2011 8:43 PM PST up reply actions
Completely Agree!
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jan 22, 2011 9:22 PM PST up reply actions
Option C
1. Robert Quinn OLB UNC
2. Ryan Mallett QB Arkansas
3. Ras-I Dowling CB Virginia
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Bengals
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Because of Palmer I get to rework my entire first round
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You needed to do it anyways before Palmer announced
Didn’t you have to change when Fox went to Denver?
FWIW, Brown said Palmer isn’t going anywhere.
I had it change
The Broncos selected Bowers I believe
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Oh
Ok. Don’t freak out too much on the Bengals one. They still have a LOT of money committed to LeFevour and Mike Brown said Palmer wasn’t going anywhere. They re-sign some of their guys, get him a AJ Green in the draft, and a couple of FAs Palmer will be just fine in Cincinatti. Remember his brother is behind him in the depth chart, and as a FA could leave, but easy to get Carson to sign on for another year by bringing his brother back.
A lot of money committed to LeFevour?
They signed him for peanuts after the Bears released him.
And Palmer will pull a Brett Favre and retire and then come back if he has to. The Bengals would be frikin idiots NOT to trade hime while he’s still worth something. ‘Cause if they, don’t, they get nothing… AND he’ll play again after sitting at home for a year.
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Mike Brown vs Carson Palmer (and agent)
right now, it’s a battling for postion. Brown is trying to call Palmer’s bluff, but if his agent is smart he will fire right back.
Palmer will be wearing a different jersey. If not this year, next year for sure.
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His QB Rating has dropped every year
I know there is more involved than just the rating as to what it means, or why it’s happening, but just thought it was interesting. He is clearly on the decline. I don’t touch him for a high draft pick. Maybe 3rd rounder and I’m still taking Dalton /Devlin or someone in the 2nd.
Sometimes change of scenery can do wonders for a talent like him.
If you look at his performances 2005-2007, he definitely has it in him. Cincinnati is not exactly the happiest place to play. If he comes back to California, who knows what would happen.
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I read somewhere that they had $50 million committed to him.
It sounds wrong but it was in ESPN Insider. Maybe it’s Palmer that has $50 million owed to him now that I read it again. LOL.
Previously, Reedy noted that Palmer is the only real option at QB for the Bengals at this point — with backup Jordan Palmer hitting some form of free agency this offseason, and Dan LeFevour still a project — and he’s also owed $50 million over the next four seasons.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/features/rumors/_/date/20110124#7768
That is written funky, but they def, no question meant Palmer.
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The sidebar...
Time for a new QB?
Arizona Cardinals: An acquisition of Palmer may help in the Larry Fitzgerald negotiations.
Carolina Panthers: Would Palmer like going from Chad Ochocinco to Steve Smith?
Miami Dolphins: Or would he prefer Brandon Marshall?
Minnesota Vikings: With a productive QB in 2009, they went to the NFC Championship. Can Palmer be as good as the 2009 version of Brett Favre?
Oakland Raiders: New head coach Hue Jackson has experience with Palmer (and Ochocinco), but Al Davis thinks the world of Jason Campbell. We know who’ll win that argument.
Seattle Seahawks: There’s still uncertainty with Charlie Whitehurst’s prospects, as well as whether they’ll re-sign Matt Hasselbeck.
San Francisco 49ers: It’s unclear if any of the 2010 QBs will be back next season. The question is whether Jim Harbaugh’s offense is a match for Palmer.
Tennessee Titans: With Vince Young on the way out, a new option is needed. Could be attractive to Palmer based on young offensive weapons (Chris Johnson, Kenny Britt).
Washington Redskins: After the Donovan McNabb debacle, hard to see the ’Skins trading for another QB.
My (admittedly 9er-Biased) take:
Arizona – Maybe
Carolina – No way, why go to a team that’s worse of than the one you left?
Miami – Kinda the same statement as Carolina
Minny – They have Vince almost in their hands.
Raiders – Puhlease! Can we be serious?
Seattle:- Maybe, it is attractive.
San Fran – Not gonna say anything. We have a good coach and he could stick it to a few people but not gonna say anything.
So it looks like really (and I don’t see it as that biased), that we have a one in three chance of getting him.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 24, 2011 5:47 PM PST up reply actions
Ok I'd add on
Tennessee as an option. And possibly Miami.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 24, 2011 5:48 PM PST up reply actions
Option A
I think Amukamara is better than Williams, and Moch is a one trick pony that won’t make it in the NFL while Powe has a decent shot.
Tossup between Locker and Devlin.
Huh, I was mistaken
I thought I heard the commentators at the Shrine game referring to him weighing in at 227 lbs. but apparently he’s listed around 240. He’s still on the light side for a pass rusher, but might be worth a mid round pick.
Actually they don't.
If all you know how to do is speed rush around the corner, teams just start riding you 8 yards into the backfield and let you take yourself out of the play.
Even Dwight Freeney had that problem until he started developing his inside spin move.
Sometimes he forgets he has it, and becomes worse than a non-factor.. he actually becomes a liability.
Yep..
Halfback draw off left tackle against the Colts is about as close as you get to a sure thing for 5+ yards in the NFL.
MJD has multiple 180 yard games because of it.
It also helps that the DT for the Colts aren't the greatest.
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That's actually why I don't want Von Miller
Watch tape of him, and everything is a speed rush to the outside where he is ridden out of the play.
Listen, I’m so sick of people putting words in my mouoth. All I’m saying is if a guy can get to the passer, he will have a spot in this league. I never said a guy can succeed by having only one move. Just that if all he does is rush the passer effectively, he will have a roster spot.
Putting words in your mouth?
These were your exact words.
“One trick ponies do make it in NFL
Especially if it’s pass rushing.”
Maybe you don’t understand what ‘one trick pony’ means. It means a guy that only has one move.
e.g. Dontay Moch, speed rush to the outside. No rips, no swims, no inside spins, no bull rush… just a speed rush to the outside.
And the overall point is.. if you are a one trick pony… you don’t get to the passer in this league.
So no.. I didn’t put words into your mouth.
Nope
One trick pony especially if it’s pass rushing means, if all he can do is rush the passer he will make it in this league.
So meaning he isn’t good in space, or isn’t good dropping back, isn’t good at run support, etc…
I never said anything about only having one move, just that if he could get to the QB, he would have a roster spot in this league.
Well that's a new one on me...
But I’m open to the idea that different people use turns of phrase differently, and it turns out we agree.
If we could make do with just a pass rusher, we could stick with Ahmad Brooks.
He got to the QB more than anyone on the team but Justin Smith, except he only played in 12 games, and played a limited number of snaps in the games he did play.
Of course.. like you say.. that’s why he has a roster spot.
He just can’t be a starter because pass rushing is all he does.
Parys started all year
And was weak in coverage and run support solely because we THOUGHT he could get to the QB.
He can ...
if he buys him a beer or three after the game LOL
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 24, 2011 5:58 PM PST up reply actions
Stop it! You're both right! :-)
One trick pony as far as having only one move to rush the passer. That’s not good, easily figured out and maneuvered around. Now iff he also isn’t good in space and gooe in run support then that just leaves another option for the offense to choose. The more limited a player is the more options it gives the other team to work around it. This is the kind of thing that BB and to a degree BW lived off for years. Let’s not get too pedantic;-)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 24, 2011 5:57 PM PST up reply actions
not crazy about any of the options
including the Option C you added later.
but i would take option B if i had to pick from them. i really need to see some more footage of Aaron Williams before i can feel good about that pick. the little footage i’ve seen of him wasn’t great.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
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B.
Is it draft day yet?
DraftTek Mock 16-A
1 Robert Quinn OLB
2 Jake Locker QB (Mallett and Newton are the only QBs taken in the first, and Arizona takes Gabbert in the second)
3 Aaron Williams CB
4a Sione Fua NT
4b Jerrel Jernigan WR
5 Roy Helu RB
6a Matt Conrath DE34
6b D.J. Young LT
7 Greg Little WR
Thoughts?
Is it draft day yet?
My thoughts
I really like 1-4a, and think they’re pretty close to ideal if Locker falls out of the first. I have no idea why they have us taking two WRs (especially two not that impressive WRs) and less than no clue why we’d take a left tackle.
I’d take a better RB with 4b, a FB with either 5 or 6b, and switch 7 to BPA.
Is it draft day yet?
this would be a good draft
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 22, 2011 11:44 PM PST up reply actions
This would be a great draft:
1. Patrick Peterson CB, LSU…..best CB in the draft….If Peterson is drafted
Prince Amukamara would be my next pick.
2. Rahim Moore S, UCLA…best ball hawking S in the draft, this would solidify
the secondary
Marvin Austin DE/DT could be considered here. 310 lbs and quick.
3. Casey Matthews LB, Oregon….People think Clay is better, but based on what?
Casey is a 3 year starter to Clay’s one year. If anything, Casey will be just as good.
4. QB, either Stanzi, Ponder, or Devlin if Devlin drops to the 4th round.
4. Brandon Bair DE, Oregon..Bair is a 3/4 DE. He is 280 lbs and will get bigger
He is currently raising his stock at the East West game.
5. Owen Marecic FB, Stanford…I think Harbaugh likes his guy and already knows what
he gets with Owen.
6. Greg McElroy QB, Alabama…perfect WCO type QB, not a strong arm but accurate.
At 6’2" he is the same hight as Montana and Young. A project that Harbaugh
can work on.
6. Jeff Maehl WR, Oregon….great hands and good speed and quickness. We need a
slot reciever and Maehl is that guy.
7. Alex Linnenkohl, C, Oregon State…With the injury to Hietmann, we need some depth
on the line. A back-up Center is a must. Linnenkohl is 303 lbs at 6’2".
With every mock draft, you see players that could help a team. I don’t have the luxury to watch everyone play so there are many players out there that could fill in for any one of these guys…except Peterson…he’s a beast.
Thoughts:
Why a safety? We have a pile of safeties drafted in the last 3-4 years… a 2nd round pick won’t be able to come in and contribute immediately and there’s no guarantee he’ll even outplay the other guys we have.
I don’t like drafting two project QBs. It doesn’t make sense since any of the QBs you want will need at least a year to develop. Who starts, particularly in a season where the CBA eats some or all of the offseason?
Is it draft day yet?
Goldson is a free agent and wants big money, money not deserved.
It would not shock me if the 49ers don’t resign Goldson at a high price but it also wouldn’t shock me to see Goldson resign at a lower price than what he wants. Besides, you always want to improve certain positions if possible. A ballhawking saftey is not a bad idea.
Harbaugh will have to bring in a Vet QB to start, but with 10 picks in this years draft, it is not a bad idea to get 2 QB’s that could play the WCO. If you strick out on one you could have a goldmine with the other. McElroy would not be a wasted pick in the 6th or 7th rounds.
by ericalancanty on Jan 22, 2011 8:20 PM PST up reply actions
Where is Goldson quoted as wanting big money?
I see that stated a lot but never facts backing it up. He’s not worth big money on the FA market so I don’t know why he’d get it here. He’ll be an RFA so I expect him to be retained.
Anyways, we drafted safety in 2010 (2nd), 2009 (7th), 2008 (3rd), 2007 (4th), 2006 (7th). 4 of those 5 are still on the team. We have much bigger needs. Ballhawking safety or not, he won’t be able to contribute much at least for now. Where does he fit on the depth chart – behind Goldson, Smith, and Mays? Maybe even behind Taylor? This isn’t an Eric Berry-level player we’re talking about and it’s certainly not a case of BPA. No thanks on a safety.
I’m not debating the merits of drafting two QBs, but right now we cannot (and maybe we won’t ever be able to) bring in any FAs or trades. If we’re taking two QBs IMO it makes more sense to go early and late rather than drafting two mid-round projects with no vision of the future at the position since no drafted QB should start this year barring injury. I like starting Carr, drafting Locker and Tyrod Taylor (or some 7th/UDFA project QB).
Is it draft day yet?
Well
Goldson played poorly this season. If he wants “big money”, he can walk. I really think that his market won’t be so great because of his lack of coverage skills. Big money won’t be available to him
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jan 22, 2011 8:47 PM PST up reply actions
i don't follow him so I haven't seen it
As I said though, he doesn’t deserve big $ and won’t command it on the FA market (if there is one). Plus, as an RFA, he’ll be easy to retain.
Is it draft day yet?
I have a QB in the 4th round and 6th round. not 2 mid round picks.
Tyrod sucks…as a WCO QB, Mayock said he fits Canadian football more.
I also put Marvin Austin at the nd round spot as an alternative to S. Besides, it is not clear if Goldson will be here next year, and Curtis talor hasn’t done anything. The secondary needs work at CB and S, maybe in the early round or late but it still needs work.
by ericalancanty on Jan 22, 2011 8:50 PM PST up reply actions
Meh, 4 and 6 is still two projects, the point stands.
Tyrod may not project to WCO super well but he does have skills and as a 7th or UDFA we have basically nothing to lose. He could be nothing or he could be Michael Vick 2.0. I’m not super attached to him, it was just a thought… that pick can be whatever QB, really, but it’s a flyer pick.
Like I said, chances are (at this point) Goldson will return…RFA and won’t command money on the FA market even if FA happens. C.Taylor got hurt but he’s been on the team for a bit and at least can contribute, unlike a newly drafted guy who’ll be buried on the depth chart. Our safeties are fine… CB is where we need help, cuz they all struggled at times this year. The coaching should improve this year so I think the players we have will improve also.
Is it draft day yet?
Most of that will be determined by how well he does at the combine.
by ericalancanty on Jan 23, 2011 4:51 PM PST up reply actions
Combine helps, but doesn't dictate where you go
Unless you are the Niners taking a physical speciman that can’t catch the ball at #6…
4th round too late for qb, like th safety pick but i am not on the casey pick just because his brother is good
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 22, 2011 11:40 PM PST up reply actions
I would really like that one... if we landed a QB in free agency of course.
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
yes...I hate LSU but good is good.
In truth, the 2nd round pick was my last one and had a hard time deciding what would fit the 49ers needs. Some think that we don’t need a FS. If we keep Goldson, then I agree, but Moore was the best rated FS that would be available in the 2nd round…UCLA was just a coincidence.
Maehl is a good hands guy but Ryan Whalen is just as good and Harbaugh knows a little something about him.
by ericalancanty on Jan 23, 2011 4:41 PM PST up reply actions
QB is clearly the number one priority, but that doesn't always translate into taking a QB with our first pick
To be honest, there just isn’t a quarterback I’d be comfortable taking with our first pick, or even in the first round, for that matter. I happen to be of the opinion Jake Locker would be the best fit, there’s just no way I’d take him this early in the draft, as Drew acknowledged in the original post, with there being a deep pool of talent in other positions of need. So with QB being our number one priority, I still think you draft for value unless the coaching staff absolutely falls in love with a QB, which I don’t think will happen, but I’d trust their evaluation if they do.
So at number seven, I’m absolutely in the tank for Patrick Peterson. Others will disagree, but I believe Peterson is a cut above Amukamara. Admittedly, I’m not very high on Amukamara, and if I had it my way, we would pass on him if Peterson is gone, which is a likely scenario.
So with Peterson gone, put me in the line for drafting A.J. Green. I disagree with Drew’s assessment of WR being our third-highest priority, but I’m still of the value-drafting mantra. You can never have too many weapons, and Green would be another player who could stretch the field and open it up for either himself or one of our other playmakers.
Of the players who could possibly still be around at pick seven, I would be ok with us drafting Marcell Dareus, as well. Of course, I think a lot of the interest we show in Dareus will be predicated upon the situation with Aubrayo Franklin and whether or not he returns. Obviously the NFL labor situation makes this infinitely more difficult. But if there is any progress by the date of the draft, and if it’s looking like Franklin won’t return, I’ll put money on it and say Dareus is our pick at number seven, pending his availability.
by JSing on Jan 22, 2011 8:15 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Hmm
I don’t think drafting another #1 WR works out for us, since we have no-one to throw to him. Crabtree hasn’t come anywhere near tapping his potential since we drafted him. Look at Larry Fitzgerald… he’s one of the best in the league and his team is still pathetic because they have [site decorum]-all at QB. I’m not saying we should necessarily reach for a #1 QB, but I don’t think WR is the answer either. I don’t think Dareus is the guy for us, either. I like his potential, but our D line was very good this year and our OLBs were not… I think Quinn or another OLB has to be the pick.
Is it draft day yet?
I think we agree on most points
While I agree that WR isn’t a “top” priority, I think drafting Green would be a tremendous asset to whoever the new QB may be.
If you consider our options for the quarterback position, whoever is chosen to step in is going to benefit from having the extra threat, be it one from the plethora of rookies or an unproven young player like Kevin Kolb, Vince Young, etc. Even if we find our QBOTF in this draft, they’re still going to struggle as a rookie. But with the talent the team already has assembled coupled with our terrible division, an extra weapon could be the difference between a rebuilding season with a rookie QB, or a legitimate playoff season. Drafting Green doesn’t address the QB situation head-on but I think it definetely helps the situation by default.
I agree with your point of OLB being a bigger need than DT/NT, but if Franklin leaves then it immediately becomes a position of need. Demetric Evans might be the worst player on a 53-man roster, and Ricky-Jean Francois and Rey McDonald haven’t shown they can step in and replace Franklin. Although to be fair to them, they haven’t had a great chance to showcase their talent, to us at least.
I like Quinn, but I think bringing back Manny Lawson negates some of the need to get an OLB this high in the draft. Lawson had a good season and surely we could find a better option than Parrys Haralson later in the draft or through free agency. But just like Franklin, this all hinges on whether Lawson walks. If that’s the case then I support taking Quinn at number seven.
by JSing on Jan 22, 2011 11:01 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
too many top pick wr bust, mcdonals does not play nt
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 22, 2011 11:37 PM PST up reply actions
Good post!
Whoever we end up trotting out at QB this year may benefit from having good receivers – that is certainly true. Look at the comparison, though: Arizona started three different (crappy) QBs, including two rookies, and they have one of the best receivers in the game in Fitzgerald. We marched all over them twice (with our mediocre pass defense), and their QB situation is not a bit more settled than it was when Kurt Warner retired.
To me, receivers are one of the last pieces of the puzzle. Like St. Louis this year. Their defense finally came together and played pretty well, and their rookie QB exceeded all expectations. They clearly showed that they were limited, at times, by the lack of talent in the receiving corps. Once they add a talented WR or two to complement Amendola, they’ll be a real competitor. We are NOT that far yet. We have no QB. Our defense regressed badly this year and we have question marks at CB, NT, ILB (with Spikes being in limbo) and OLB.
As far as offense goes, QB is the last piece we need to compete. We built a potentially great offensive line last year. We have a WR drafted #1 just two years ago, and we have arguably the best receiving TE in the game. We have a perennial-Pro Bowl RB in Gore; make it two if Westbrook comes back. Once we get The Guy who can throw the ball, we’ll see if we’re limited by our receiving corps. Right now, it seems like a wasted pick to me. Detroit drafted a ton of WRs the last few years… hasn’t panned out for them, either!
Anyways, you’re absolutely right about the NT situation. I really hope the franchise tag returns so we can tag him for one more year, but regardless, it’s time to start looking for his heir apparent – maybe Fua from Stanford. Demetric Evans can go – he’s only around for depth and because he knew the system. Now, we have no system, so he’s worthless.
I’m certainly not the hugest Quinn advocate, but I think Lawson’s return would be the best thing if we drafted Quinn. Lawson is not as good of a rusher, but he’s fast, athletic, and good in coverage – he’ll cover Quinn’s rookie mistakes somewhat. The two of them could be superb together. Haralson did jack squat this year and while I’m not sure he gets cut, he probably should get some competition for his spot.
Is it draft day yet?
How much worse would AZ be without Fitz though
Guy had 3 QBs and still had more than 1000 yards receiving. Sometimes your WR can make your QB look better than he is, and vice versa.
perhaps
but I’d rather have a better QB than a better WR at this point. Not that I think they’re mutually exclusive at this point, but time will tell.
Is it draft day yet?
Hears the sound
of one hand clapping
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 23, 2011 4:08 PM PST up reply actions
Oh of course
Who wouldn’t rather have Peyton Manning over Brandon Lloyd. But the point is, WR can make QB look good.
I think they've dropped balls too :-)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 23, 2011 5:36 PM PST up reply actions
They have
But he is VERY mediocre if they didn’t make some catches.
Ie. Holmes catch in end zone vs NE
he being Sanchez I assume?
(Sorry just getting tired of all the “he” in posts that are yards long and talk about more than one person) Yeah Sanchez has some vague possibility and he did get there to the championship whilst a number of QBs did not. But yes I wouldn’t start a team with him.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 23, 2011 5:42 PM PST up reply actions
i don't think Sanchez got a lot of credit for that one.
so i don’t see how it’s an example of Holmes making Sanchez look good.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
by these3words on Jan 23, 2011 10:06 PM PST up reply actions
Vincent Brown is a Beast
I’d love to grab him in the 4th round and if we do, I believe that we will win!
Chris Ray is not Bengie Molina.
I like Brown a lot too
That would be a nice pick. That said, if Austin Pettis falls to the 4th, i would take him over Brown.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jan 22, 2011 8:46 PM PST up reply actions
San Diego State guy, right?
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
by these3words on Jan 23, 2011 10:07 PM PST up reply actions
Biggest Areas of Concern:
1. QB
2. Pass Rusher
3. CB
… Big drop off in terms of need
4. Stretch the field, fast WR
5. Share the load RB (I prefer this way of thinking about it as opposed to “change of pace”— I want a guy who can split carries with Gore and help lengthen his career… I should note that I think there’s a chance Dixon could be that guy, but I’m certainly not sure yet)
After that, not so sure. Could largely depend on the offseason and who is retained. Could be depth needs up front on both lines, at safety and/or corner and even at ILB if Spikes isn’t brought back.
As far as the draft, I would think our first pick should certainly address one of those big three needs… unless AJ Green is still there and Harbaugh/Baalke just feel he’s too good to pass up. But that probably won’t happen, and there should definitely be someone worthy of the selection as either a QB, CB, or pass rusher. At this point, I think I’m hoping for Peterson or Amukamara, and then for Harbaugh to find a diamond in the rough QB to develop later on (I’m starting to really like Andy Dalton out of TCU). My Niners mock at this point would be something like:
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Jan 22, 2011 8:44 PM PST reply actions
Fullback and Kicker are needs
once we’ve gone past the “big drop off” after QB, OLB, CB.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
by these3words on Jan 23, 2011 10:10 PM PST up reply actions
Really?
Interesting. I can see you having FB a bit higher than RB in a way, but it’s close, and it’s a bit of a tossup there in my mind. K would be nice, really nice because we have some nice kickers in this draft. But I’d consider it FB/RB and then K. That’s as far as need, not picking guys for rounds. I think we can get a good COP RB in the 6th, and possibly a good FB and Kicker in the 6th to 7th. Plus if we lose out on a FB then we can play Byham who I think has value as a TE/FB/H-Back
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 24, 2011 6:19 PM PST up reply actions
Well with the Kicker Nedney is almost always injured and looking for a K during the regular season is getting old.
Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
my dog <3
A couple of my opinions
1. I want to like Cam Newton to the Niners at 7, i really do. We need a QB, and he could be multi dimensional, however, i am just not seeing it in him. I continue to watch his tapes, and think well maybe; That is not what you want to think when picking a QB at 7
2. Deuenta Williams continues to fall down on the draft boards because of his injuries. Prior to the NC bowl game he was projected late 1st or early 2nd. Now, 3rd or 4th. If he falls to us in the 4th (unlikely, we should think about it
3. I have been all for drafting a RB in 2011, however, why not bring Westbrook back for another season? And, have a three man rotation at that position in 2011? It makes total sense to me.
4. I couldn’t have been more wrong on projecting Merecic to be a 6th round pick. Most recent evaluations and mocks have him in the 4th. Additionally, i think that may be too high for him, and we should focus on Havili later on.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jan 22, 2011 9:28 PM PST reply actions
Newton
I’m a fan of his, but I was reading something that said emotionally he is closer to a 10 year old than his actual age. That’s scary to a guy you are throwing a ton of money too and wanting to be a leader.
And your feelings on VY?
Would you have VY or Newton?
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 23, 2011 4:00 PM PST up reply actions
Newton
Well I guess it depends to be honest. If I could get each one for free, Newton for sure. If I had to use a 1st rounder at 7 on Newton, or VY for free, then VY. But I hate VY. I think he is a mental basket case. Guy was a suicide risk for crimminy sakes. Newtons bottom is VY, his upside is off the charts.
where did you read that?
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
by these3words on Jan 23, 2011 10:11 PM PST up reply actions
ESPN
Here you go.
“Of course, Auburn officials who know Cam Newton well say it’s entirely possible that he didn’t have a clue about his father’s actions. He’s a 10-year-old in a man’s body. He’s Tom Hanks in “Big,” an innocent. He’d rather play with other kids than deal with adults."
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=wojciechowski_gene&page=wojciechowski/110121&sportCat=ncf
wow.
not good.
i’ve always thought one of Alex Smith’s biggest shortcomings was that he seems like would rather be “just another one of the guys” than be the leader of the guys.
sorry to compare another draft prospect to Alex Smith. i’m getting sick of it too, but the comparison was there.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
My early mock top 10 picks without trades....
1) Fairley
2) Bowers
3) Green
4) Quinn
5) Sherrod
6) Jones
7) Peterson
8) Dareus
9) Amukamara
10) Wisniewski
(I can honestly see us trading up to 4th-5th overall to take Peterson, and see the Cards trading down to take a tackle)
if clements resigns
then I think that the chances of trading up or taking a cb in the first round with the first pick are highly unlikely.
harbaugh mentioned this week that he wants a elite quarterback so that really has me thinking that the first pick will be whoever they want for their next qb
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 22, 2011 11:27 PM PST up reply actions
Based on last years draft, do you have faith in Trent Baalke’s decision making for this years draft?
I will make my decision at the end of next season.
jury is still out on last years draft and this is an important off-season and draft for the niners.
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We
have to think about the possibility that Champ Bailey comes to the 49ers as a safety. Not just because we need one, but because of Donatell.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jan 22, 2011 11:40 PM PST reply actions
Says he wants to play S
Mila "Sweet Lips" Kunis, as stated by Scarlett Johansson. I couldn't agree more. Reverse would be true too!!!!
by nocal81(Vincent) on Jan 23, 2011 12:03 AM PST up reply actions
With denver probably moving to the 4-3,
I can’t see them not taking a DE and keeping Champ at corner for one more season
He wanted his deal done so he could stay, but was pissed they made no attempt to do it. That would be a stupid transition with all the money they gave Dumervil.
Don't make me "JEEBUS" you!!!!
John Fox is a 4-3 man, I don't remember him ever using the 3-4.
Maybe the Niners can trade for Dumervil, because his deal is far too much for a 4-3 OLB
He will go back to DE
That’s what he used to play.
As for Champ, they havn’t talked in months regarding a contract. He is gone.
245 lbs
He has to bulk up significantly if he wants to play DE again
Freeney is 268 so he doesn't have to add much
I think he would be ok around 255-260 if all he was required to do is get to the passer. If they expected him to support in the run defense that might be tough.
Isn't Freeney a liablity in rush defense...
and that’s why you can just run all day on the Colts’ D? And Dumervil is paid like a 3-down player, so there’s no way you give him plays off.
by 9thevolution on Jan 24, 2011 1:04 PM PST up reply actions
Yes he is
That’s what I’m saying about Dumervill. I think he can still contribute at DE if he puts on say 10-15 pounds just like Freeney does. But I said if they expect him to help in run support at that weight it could hurt.
FYI, Freeney is paid like a 3 down player too, but only helps in the pass rush game.
Putting on 20 pounds is a lot.
It took me 4 months of non-stop working out to get to 145 from 135 without adding fat.
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He would be fine adding 15
OK a couple things for you.
1. He has access to world class nutritionalists, and strength coaches.
2. He only has one thing to do for the next 4 months, and that’s to work out and train. I’m guessing you had a job or school to worry about.
3. 15 pounds in relation to your weight, is different than 15 pounds in relation to his weight. It’s easier to put 15 pounds of muscle on a 6 ft frame, than 5 ft 6 in, etc…
I'm 5'8'' 5'9''
and ya I could see that. I had to put on lean weight so I guess that would be different too.
Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
my dog <3
He wants to put on muscle for sure
But it’s also bulk, so a bit of fat won’t kill him. OL aren’t all muscle.
I was a ltwt so I wasn't allowed to get fat.
Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
my dog <3
KFFL / Free Agents
Drew, I was looking on KFFL and it’s showing Kevin Kolb as a UFA. That’s wrong isn’t it?
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 23, 2011 8:12 AM PST reply actions
He signed an extension which was heavily front loaded.
He’s scheduled only to make like 2 million base salary next season I think
Yeah that's what I thought
thanks, I’m going thru the FAs a bit to see what can be alleviated from such a high necessity in the draft.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 23, 2011 8:20 AM PST up reply actions
Now that Carson Palmer looks set to be leaving the Bengals,
It looks more and more likely that Peterson will drop to the Niners imo, or I can see the Bengals trading with us and taking a QB at 7 or later for more value
So you're guessing
that we trade up and take Peterson and the Bengals take QB X? Not sure who you have pegged for them to be interested in more tha n Peterson.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 23, 2011 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
They don't need a CB if they re-sign Joseph.
They had the best corner tandem just a season ago.
But who do you see them taking?
Green is a possibliity but that’s a hold steady. If as you say they had/have Joseph then why would they be going for Peterson in the first place? Because the possibiities of Joseph versus Peterson offer more. So how does that change things? From what I’m seeing possibly wrong, is that it makes the Bengals yet another assured runner in the QB race. Look at 1 through 6. Our two needs are QB and CB. Bengals had a definite need at WR, therefore a lock for AJ Green (or perhaps Julio) this only makes them more of a wild card really. This is a highly wild card draft.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 23, 2011 12:32 PM PST up reply actions
I see the Bengals trading down to take Mallet or Gabbert but that would be too early
so I see them trading down with us for value and getting another pick in the process.
May not need to
I have a post scheduled for tomorrow detailing that Peterson may actually fall to the 49ers at 7. With Palmer most likely done in Cincinnati, i see them going for a QB at 4
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jan 23, 2011 8:54 PM PST up reply actions
That could be sweet
If we could get Palmer for a good deal and Peterson, and then get a Daton/Devlin type that would be a major coup.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 23, 2011 9:02 PM PST up reply actions
The more tape I see on Devlin
The more it’s evident how little experience he has taking snaps under center and how immobile his. His deep ball accuracy is also pretty off (I’m not sure if this is really a huge hindrance for the WCO). I was all on the bandwagon at first but I’m starting to grow more weary towards this guy. He seems like a project.
Problem is
If they go QB, they may force a team that may go QB after them, into grabbing BPA thus costing us Peterson.
Just because they go QB, doesn’t mean Peterson drops.
Mallett's going to the Bengals now. Write that down.
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#4 overall
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Thats where I have him now.
But I wouldn’t be surprised if they tried to wait for him to slip to the 2nd round.
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Peterson and Amukamara are gone by #7, the 49ers should trade down and pick up an additional 2nd round pick. This way they can go after a pass rusher in the 20’s, draft a CB in the 2nd, and still maybe get a QBOF in the 2nd.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jan 23, 2011 8:49 PM PST reply actions
Which pass rusher in the 20's?
I am all for the trade down in this case, but I’d pick Brandon Harris in the 20-ish range instead of an pass rusher.
In the 20's if he's there I'd agree with you
and might even think about taking Jimmy (Smith) there if Harris is not there.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 23, 2011 9:03 PM PST up reply actions
Harris and Jimmy Smith are decent corners
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Not sold on Smith in the first round
He has the coverage skills but looks afraid to tackle in the film I have seen of him.
What film have you been watching.
Also I heard that in one on one coverage he only gave up 12 completions.
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I have only watched a little bit of his tape
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rzaqPIyPtg&feature=feedlik
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I don't call on my CB to run stop
If they get to the edge the OLB should be there.
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I was looking for more recent tape and I just finished watching that actually
Wow. My assessment was kinda off there. He certainly has the coverage capability and doesn’t look that hesitant in the run game. Still, I like what I see from Harris/Amukamara/Peterson more. This is a damn solid draft for CB though.
The whole game for him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmY25FsAeTU&feature=feedu
Also note that he doesn’t play for a team with as good of a pass rush as Nebraska or Miami.
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He's not afraid to tackle...
He’s just not going to fly in there and put a hat on anybody.
He does a good job of not missing the tackle and he wraps up well… but in run support against larger RB’s he has a tendency to get dragged.
As far as straight up man to man coverage, he’s probably the second best corner in the draft after Peterson.
I actually don’t like too much run support in a CB… guys like Prince usually end up like Nate… they spend too much time looking into the backfield and then get beat.
Jordan, Heyward and Beals will be available
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jan 23, 2011 9:25 PM PST up reply actions
Cameron Jordan might not be there
and i don’t see Jeremy Beal as a first rounder.
i haven’t seen Cameron Heyward but from what i’ve heard he isn’t a great pass rusher, even for a 3-4 DE.
if we are targeting a pass rusher in the 20s i think Justin Houston may be the way to go.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
by these3words on Jan 23, 2011 10:26 PM PST up reply actions
My ideal situation would be to trade back to the teens than trade up with the other picks we acquired.
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We could end up with Jimmy Smith and Brandon Harris
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I'd prefer Aaron Williams+Brandon Harris
because we wouldn’t have to move up much (if at all) with the newly acquired picks
to get Williams as opposed to Smith.
That would be sweet
Harris and Wiliams and Powe then a QB with our 3rd and go for an OLB with first 4th and DE with second 4th.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 23, 2011 9:42 PM PST up reply actions
Honestly not sure
only one that comes to mind as far as OLB is Sam Acho. The board has changed a bit since I last scoped out 4th round DEs but there were some around.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 23, 2011 9:46 PM PST up reply actions
This guy, Quan Sturdivant, looks like an intriguing option as far as OLBs in the fourth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id-whIyM9AA
doesn't look like much of a pass rusher.
not explosive enough
probably a 4-3 OLB, or maybe ILB.
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by these3words on Jan 23, 2011 10:45 PM PST up reply actions
Smith would go early to mid twenties.
Its not that expensive either
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I'm not entirely sold on Smith as a mid twentyish first rounder
I think Williams is a much more complete prospect and could be had in the second.
STRAW POLL: Who will be a better pro?
- Titus Young
- Austin Pettis
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
I think that is a rather easy call...
Titus Young.
Pettis will be okay, but he’s not going to be a #1, #2, or possibly even #3 on a team. He is a good possession receiver and can move the chains, but he’s not gonna burn anyone deep… basically a poor man’s Crabtree… a very poor man’s version. He is on the taller side though so he has an advantage there. Maybe closer to an Eric Decker type of player would be more accurate.
Whereas, Young will probably be closer to a DeSean Jackson, Steve Smith type of player. Someone who can create space between him and the secondary.
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Mayock has his top 5 players in each position posted
I’m surprised with some of his selections
Quarterback:
*1. Blaine Gabbert, Missouri
2. Jake Locker, Washington
*3. Cam Newton, Auburn
*4. Ryan Mallett, Arkansas
T-5. Andy Dalton, TCU
T-5. Ricky Stanzi, Iowa
T-5. Colin Kaepernick, Nevada
T-5. Pat Devlin, Delaware
Running back:
*1. Mark Ingram, Alabama
2. Daniel Thomas, Kansas State
*3. Mikel LeShoure, Illinois
*4. Ryan Williams, Virginia Tech
*T-5. Jacquizz Rodgers, Oregon State
T-5. Kendall Hunter, Oklahoma State
Wide receiver:
*1. A.J. Green, Georgia
*2. Julio Jones, Alabama
*3. Jonathan Baldwin, Pittsburgh
4. Titus Young, Boise State
T-5. Jerrel Jernigan, Troy
T-5. Greg Little, North Carolina
*T-5. Randall Cobb, Kentucky
Tight end:
*1. Kyle Rudolph, Notre Dame
2. Lance Kendricks, Wisconsin
3. Luke Stocker, Tennessee
4. D.J. Williams, Arkansas
5. Charles Clay, Tulsa
Guard/center:
1. Mike Pouncey, Florida
2. Stefen Wisniewski, Penn State
3. Danny Watkins, Baylor
4. John Moffitt, Wisconsin
T-5. Rodney Hudson, Florida State
T-5. William Rackley, Lehigh
Tackle:
1. Nate Solder, Colorado
2. Anthony Castanzo, Boston College
3. Tyron Smith, Southern California
4. Gabe Carimi, Wisconsin
T-5. Ben Ijalana, Villanova
T-5. Derek Sherrod, Mississippi State
Defensive end:
*1. Da’Quan Bowers, Clemson
2. Adrian Clayborn, Iowa
3. Aldon Smith, Missouri
*4. J.J. Watt, Wisconsin
*5. Robert Quinn, North Carolina
Defensive tackle:
*1. Nick Fairley, Auburn
*2. Marcell Dareus, Alabama
*3. Corey Liuget, Illinois
*4. Jurrell Casey, Southern California
5. Stephen Paea, Oregon State
Linebacker
1. Von Miller, Texas A&M
*2. Akeem Ayers, UCLA
*3. Justin Houston, Georgia
4. Bruce Carter, North Carolina
*5. Martez Wilson, Illinois
Cornerback:
*1. Patrick Peterson, LSU
2. Prince Amukamara, Nebraska
*3. Brandon Harris, Miami (Fla.)
*4. Aaron Williams, Texas
Safety:
*1. Rahim Moore, UCLA
2. Ahmad Black, Florida
3. Deunta Williams, North Carolina
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I think Wisniewski is better than Pouncey, and Quinn at number 5?
What do you think Drew? Mayock is outstanding though…
Mayock typically is outstanding, but he can't be 100% right. Nobody can.
I disagree with Bowers being the best there. Quinn is down too low for sure. Quin should top that list. I think Bowers id way overrated. More than half of Bowers sacks this year came against very low ranked teams.
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Baalke didn't do that bad last year.
I think he will do somewhat the same this year.
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QB at # 7
We can all trace the demise of Mike Nolan back to his selection of Alex number 1 overall. taking a QB top ten is always going to put an insane amount of pressure on the player taken and the coach/GM that selected him. A new head coach is betting his career with a team on one player’s ability to succeed at the most difficult position in sports. I think it would be better for everyone involved if we went with defense in the first round.
Look at last night’s winners. The Packers and the Steelers have a playmaking outside linebacker that changes their defense completely. The best 3-4s have that guy (Suggs/Matthews/etc.). We don’t. I love Manny, but he is a solid all-around player, not a difference-maker. He was at NC State because Mario Williams was on the other side of the line. And don’t even get me started on Nate or Spencer. We simply can’t win games outside the division if we can’t stop other teams #1 receiver.
I really don’t know which is more important for us to solve. Having a consistent force on the edge would give QBs less time to pick us apart, or a shutdown corner would force them to spend more time on reads and give Justin a chance to get in the backfield. Either way, our defense has to get better (particularly in the 2 minute drill) or we will not be a real contender.
So who are the guys that can be our playmakers in this draft? I don’t know why so many people are down on Prince, I think he’s a great player. I also think Quinn would make our front 7 top 3 in the league. Thoughts?
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Corner is the more important of the two...
Even assuming you rush every single play, your best hope is that you get to the QB for at least a hurry or hit 20% of the time. And that is if you have a lights out pass rush.
The other 80% receivers still need to be covered.
I like Prince.. the Oklahoma State game.. well.. it’s hard to cover a big powerful receiver like Blackmon, no matter who you are.
If he’s there and Peterson is off the board, I say take him.
noel devine
came in at 5’7 160lbs.
is that going to drop his draft stock weighing only 160lbs?
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Ras dowling
will not play in senior bowl.
will that drop his draft rating even more?
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Mayock just made the comparison between Titus Young and DeSean Jackson...
guess he must be nuts too…
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Yeah, 'cause Mayock didn't mention his speed at all.
It’s okay, you can admit that you COULD be wrong.. it won’t kill you.
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Cmon
I’ve noticed a lot of people putting words in my mouth. Are they both fast? Yes. But you said Young was just as fast as Jackson. That’s not true.
Will they probably be similar players? Yes, but they aren’t the same speed.
No I didn't...go back up and reread.
Now YOU are putting words in my mouth. I said, “and speed to compare”…. is that saying that he runs a 4.29??? Nope.
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I also said he gets separation like DeSean Jackson...
which is also true.
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QB as area of need
If we trade out of our #7 and get an extra 2nd out of the deal, can we not get a good CB, DE/OLB, and trade out of our extra 2nd rd pick to get a FA QB?
in that scenario:
Late 1st: Brandon Harris
2nd: Drake Nevis / Mason Foster/ Bruce Carter
2nd: Traded away for Orton or Kolb
additionally, the niners can still get a guy like Stanzi/Devlin/Dalton or the QB from Alabama in a late round pick.
So, with 10 picks, the niners land a starting QB and a project QB with 8 picks left for addressing the various other positions of need:
DB’s (draft 2)
FB
OLB
DE
WR
ILB (position of strength, but our least deep)
C?
Don't have NFL network but have the Interwebz?
Here is the NFL network online.
http://www.firstrow.net/watch/31606/1/watch-nfl-network.html
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The senior bowl is on right now.
you get to watch the D-Line as well as the QBs play.
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Yeah.. Beal just got schooled. Heard Fua's name...
As the link loaded but didn’t get to see it.
Hope the QB’s come soon.. .getting late here and I work in the morning.
You missed them its over now.
Starts at 12:30 PST from what I heard.
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If you give me until tomorrow I'll try to find a link that has a replay of it.
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Kaepernick is trying to fix his entire delivery.
How nice
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Locker was projected No. 1 last year
But went back because he cared about his (mediocre) team, and promised them a bowl win. He got it. He’s also gone out of his way to support the U Washington program off the field (such as signing a baseball contract with the Angels, thus freeing up a scholarship for the team). He still has the physical tools that he did last year, seems to be a high character guy (which fair or not, integrity questions are going to loom as a shadow over Cam Newton), and will almost certainly be available. If the Niners can swing a deal to trade down and still get Locker, I’m all for it. If they take him with the No. 7 pick because they can’t trade down, I’m good with that too as an exercise in not out-gaming yourself on draft day.
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.
I would rather the niners trade up their second pick
to get locker then to trade down.
7th pick is pretty good place to pick up an impact player.
if baalke and harbaugh do not think locker is a good pick at seven then lets get a difference maker.
there should be on a good player at seven either at cornerback or outside linebacker.
both positions that could use some improvement.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 24, 2011 2:05 PM PST up reply actions
Does Locker have small hands?
His hands are 9 7/8th
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This was per Matt Maiocco
“According to NFL.com, Crabtree’s hands measure 9 1/4 inches, which means they’re smaller than Alex Smith’s.”
So yeah, Lockers hands are not the biggest.
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...
are Locker’s hand smaller than Smiths?
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You know what they say about big hands
big gloves
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Nate Davis 9.5 inches
Josh Freeman 10 inches
Matt Stafford 10 inches
Pat White 9.25 inches.
Those were notables in 2009 draft.
2008
Joe Flacco 9 5/8 inches
Matt Flynn 9 inches
Chad Henne 9 inches
Josh Johnson 9 inches
Matt Ryan 9 1/2 inches.
Here is what McShay said in relation to JaMarcus Russell's hand size of 9 1/2
Other notable measurements for Russell were his arm length of 34½ inches — “Left tackle size,” McShay said — and his hand size of 9½ inches — “Big, but not the biggest,” McShay said. “Just above the average for a quarterback.”
I’d say 9 5/8 should be the smallest allowed so Locker at 9 7/8 is plenty big. Larger than Ryan, Henne, Flynn, Flacco (who is like 10 ft tall). Not on par with Freeman, Stafford, and Sanchez whose hands are massive, but should be good enough.
I think Ryan does just fine with his "smallish" hands.
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Eh. I think people make a bigger deal out of some of this stuff than necessary.
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I suppose
but being able to hold onto the ball is pretty big. Alex has had a couple of phantom passes where it comes out while he is throwing it. It hurts his pump fake while trying to move the safety since he can’t hold onto it, probably also hurts when he is being sacked or trying to hold onto the ball.
It’s one of those things that won’t completely disqualify a great prospect, but it does need to be taken into account. I mean how often do you see Alex pump fake effectively?
How often did Alex have enough time to pump fake? :D
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how is this measured?
tip of the thumb to tip of the pinky, fully outstreched?
i just tried that and managed to stretch it out to 9¾ inches, but it was hurting my hand.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
that's what she said
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by mikev on Jan 25, 2011 7:48 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I know its kind of ridiculous
but I like to know everything.
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I would really love this lineup if Baalke could make it happen:
1 – Carson Palmer (2nd Rounder traded for him)
2 – Alex Smith (Signed to a 2-year extension)
3 – Colin Kaepernick (If available in the 3rd/ 4th Rd… preferably 4th.) Pat Devlin or Andy Dalton as option 2 there.
Then use the 1st Rounder on a CB … preferably P. Peterson.
Get Casey Mathews in the 3rd but convert him over to OLB to rush the passer. He’s good in coverage too.
Next step would be to release some dead weight at the CB position (i.e. Tarell Brown) and go after Nnamdi Asamougha.
The rest of the draft would be to just get depth and provide some of the other positions (particularly safety and defensive end) with some competition for their respective jobs).
So this is how my 2011 Roster would look like… if it was up to me.
QB – Carson Palmer
RB – Frank Gore
FB – Brad Hoover (via FA signing)
TE – Vernon Davis
LT – Joe Staley
LG – Mike Iupati
C – Eric Heitmann
RG – Chilo Rachal
RT – Anthony Davis
WR – Kyle Williams
WR – Michael Crabtree
WR – Josh Morgan (or Greg Little, Ryan Whalen or Terrence Tolliver via late round draft pick)
LDE – Isaac Sopoaga (or Lawrence Marsh, Adrian Taylor, or Corbin Bryant via late round draft pick)
NT – Abrayo Franklin (Or RJF)
RDE – Justin Smith
OLB – Manny Lawson
ILB – Takeo Spikes (and Navorro Bowman)
ILB – Patrick Willis
OLB – Casey Mathews (via 3rd Round … assuming he lasts ’til then)
CB – Patrick Peterson
CB – Nnamdi Asamougha
3CB – Nate Clements
FS – Reggie Smith
SS – Taylor Mays
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How about that guy from Stanford for FB instead?
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I think he may not be available with my scenario provided above.
But yeah, if he was, that would be a decent option as well. Hoover is a good veteran that has been to the ProBowl before tho. He’s a bit on the older side too, so that may not necessarily work.
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Peterson could play CB3 since it always takes a little time to develop.
I’m 100% sure that Clements could shut down the Josh Morgan of teams.
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No.
Peterson is a Day 1 starter. Clements and Spencer are not better….that’s for sure.
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He can compete for a spot but if he doesn't get it he would be a good #3 CB
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if we get him, theres no way he plays nickel...
hes a starter.
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You drink Absolut always?
That explains a lot, haha
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ARGH
I’m not going to get off your back on the Kaepernick in the 3rd round thing…Still think it’s a SUPER reach for a guy that’s going to redo his throwing motion.
I think Palmer would go for a 3rd rounder. The Browns don’t have much leverage since he could retire, and his QB rating has gone down like 4 years in a row.
That leaves you a first and 2nd round pick, third round for Palmer, then 4th for Titus Young and Kaepernick, and 5th for Marecic. I still think Kaepernick is a 5th rounder, but since we only have one 5th round pick, we can reach for him if we get Marecic in 5th.
Reach?
Tebow was a 3rd rounder last year, member that? He had to “re-work” his throwing motion too, member that? Guess what? He still throws the same exact way…Guess what else? He’s done pretty decent in the time that he’s been given.
Harbaugh is a QB guy, member that?
Just ‘cause you think he is a 5th rounder doesn’t mean you are even close to being right.
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I understand
And just because you think 3rd round doesn’t mean you are right. I’m just saying I wouldn’t take him before the 5th and that’s just me. I could give you 4th round since I’d like Marecic in 5th but 3rd is pushing it in my opinion.
You keep clarifying that it’s MY opinion, well of course it is dude. And even you should know that comparing Kaepernick who played in the WAC to Tebow who played in the SEC, was one of the best college players EVER, and had untangibles never seen before is CRAZY. Tebow also went back up the charts when he debuted his new throwing motion at his pro day. If Kaepernick does the same, he could rocket up the charts as well, and I reserve the right to change my feelings at that time. But as he sits, he is a 5th rounder to me.
I’m not saying Kaepernick doesn’t go in round 3, just that I FEEL he should be a 5th rounder,and that’s where I am comfortable with for a guy that is reworking his throwing motion.
By that logic Tebow was a 5th rounder to you as well. Noted.
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And Kaepernick WILL do the same thing as Tebow did last year.
But that fact of the matter is that even though Tebow “put on a show” for the media, he still throws the same exact way. Go look at his highlights. He is doing fine with his long wind up. Which Kaepernick doesn’t even have… he throws a bit side-armed but thats it.
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CB – Patrick Peterson
CB – Nnamdi Asamougha
3CB – Nate Clements
FS – Reggie Smith
SS – Taylor Mays
This seems like a dream scenario. I don’t know how P. Peterson’s coverage skills are like, but that could a freakin’ great secondary. Especially if Mays is used all over the field and not just 20 yards off the line.
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by Hoopers Judge on Jan 24, 2011 3:44 PM PST up reply actions
I agree with pretty much everything but Chilo.
He has not improved much from his first year, we could do a lot better!
You could always let Rachal and Baas battle it out, plus draft a 7th round guard and see what happens.
Snyder could get a shot there too.
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I'd like that....
Swapping Kyle Williams for Malcom Floyd from the Chargers… everybody is going to be looking at Vincent Jackson.. but Floyd is a 6’5" deep threat that can outjump any corner in the league. Just put it up there where only he can get it.
A bit old at 28..but...
interesting..I’d of course rather have VJ, but yeah he’s interesting.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 25, 2011 3:54 PM PST up reply actions
I think Gabbert is a good NFL back up.
I really don’t see what all the hype and excitement is about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XW69HWngSdk
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He actually looks worse than Alex Smith did in college.
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huh?
Alex Smith looked great in college hence #1 pick. Even though the QB position was weak that year.
I didn't mean that as a knock to Alex Smith's college performance.
Just saying… similar offenses, similar tangibles, and Gabbert doesn’t even look as good as Smith did. Guess I worded that strangely… not what I meant though.
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New thread
http://www.ninersnation.com/2011/1/24/1954128/official-nfl-draft-thread-1-24-11-continued
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