2011 NFL Draft: Who will Fall to the 49ers?
Hello Niners Nation, this is my first thread as a front page writer. I am sure that most of you are familiar with me, however, i would like to introduce myself and give you a brief bio. I live in Northern California, the town of Sonoma to be exact. I have spent pretty much my entire life in Northern California, living in Marin County as well as Sonoma County. I absolutely love it here. I am in school, and have a rewarding job at "The Institute of Reading Development".
My first memory of our San Francisco 49ers was their second Super Bowl game against Cincinnati, that game still sticks out in my memory. My mother is a Dallas Cowboys fan, and my father a 49ers fan. I am not sure why i chose the 49ers, but am extremely happy that i did. I don't think that i have missed a 49ers game in over a decade, and i consider myself a diehard fan, much like many of you do. Enough about me, and onto the article. Please invoke constructive criticism as i would like to progress as a writer for SB Nation. I thank Fooch for giving me this opportunity and hope to be a long standing member of Niners Nation.
The 2011 NFL Draft will be held in April, and it may actually be the only off-season activity for all 32 teams because of the possibility of a lockout. This article will focus on the six teams that are slotted to select before the 49ers do at #7. I will take a look at their needs, what "experts" think that they will do, and give my opinion on where and who they may turn.
1. Carolina Panthers: 2010 Record: 2-14
Top Three Needs
1. Quarterback: Obviously Jimmy Clausen didn't get it done this season, he had the lowest QB rating in the NFL in 2010. That said, he was a 2nd round pick and has some upside. So why is QB a need? Well, Clausen had 1-3 TD/INT ratio in 2010 and completed just over 50 percent of his passes. Carolina also ranked dead last in the NFL in passing yards per game. After Clausen the Panthers really have nothing. Matt Moore is slated to become a free agent, and will most likely go somewhere else. The main question is whether or not the Panthers will reach for a QB with the 1st pick considering Andrew Luck decided to return to Stanford for his junior season.
2. Offensive Line: Not helping their passing game was the fact that Carolina QBs were sacked a total of 50 times in 2010, among the highest in the league. With the exception of Jordan Gross, Carolina should upgrade at every position in the near future. The offensive line was real good in run blocking, but absolutely horrible in pass blocking. Adding to the problem is the fact that Ryan Kalil, their second best offensive lineman, is a free agent.
3. Defensive Line: Playing a 4-3 system, it is unacceptable how poorly their two top defensive tackles played in 2010. Derek Landri and Nick Hayden combined for only 51 tackles and 4 sacks in 2010. Additionally, they finished 23rd in the NFL in rush defense, allowing 95 or more yards a total of 14 times.
What the experts think
Todd McShay: DE- Da'Quan Bowers, Clemson
Mel Kiper: DT- Nick Fairley, Auburn
NFL Draft Site: DT- Nick Fairley, Auburn
New NFL Draft: DT- Nick Fairley, Auburn
My Conclusion
As evidenced by their 2-14 record, Carolina is in need to major upgrades at nearly every position. However, they will only be able to make one upgrade here. If Andrew Luck had declared we would already have the answer to who would be the #1 pick, but he didn't so we don't. I tend to actually agree with Todd McShay on this one. Bowers fits better in their 4-3 scheme than does Fairley. While not making a judgement on who is a better player, i will conclude that Carolina takes Bowers here. He will be an immediate upgrade at DE and provide them the pass rush they need. However, i wouldn't rule out the possibility of Carolina trading down and selecting a QB later on. That said, i am not sure what the market will be for the #1 pick because there is not true franchise type QB in the 2011 draft. Da'Quan Bowers
2. Denver Broncos: 2010 Record: 4-12
Top Three Needs
1. Defensive Line: Denver ranked 31st in opponent rushing yards in 2010. Not exactly where you want to be on that list, and it doesn't promise to get better in 2011 if they don't change the personnel they have. Jamal Williams isn't getting any younger and Robert Ayers looks like an absolute bust. Additionally, Denver only had 23 sacks in 2010. The defense is in a major need for an upgrade, and it may indeed start with the defensive line.
2. Cornerback: Champ Bailey is going to switch to safety in 2011, and it won't be with Denver. He is extremely upset about the fact that they didn't offer him an extension prior to the season, and is prepared to walk. This could bode well for the 49ers because of his ties to Ed Donatell, however, that is a story for another time. Denver did pick up Perrish Cox and Syd'Quan Thompson in the 2010 draft, but neither is #1 corner material.
3. Linebacker: On the exterior you may think that they are set at LB with D.J. Williams and Mario Haggan, but looking further into it, i see it a different way. Williams has regressed a bit over the last couple seasons, and Haggan really isn't the long term answer here. I don't see Denver reaching for a LB with the 2nd pick, but this is an area of concern for them
What the experts say
Todd McShay: DT- Nick Fairley, Auburn
Mel Kiper: CB- Patrick Peterson, LSU
NFL Draft Site: CB- Patrick Peterson, LSU
New NFL Draft: CB- Patrick Peterson, LSU
My conclusion: Once again i am going to be in the minority here, and agree with McShay. The CB position appears to be pretty deep this season, and they could get a solid corner with one of their two 2nd round picks. Nick Fairley is an absolute beast, and would be an anchor on that defensive line for the next decade. He is great against the run, and can get to the QB on a consistent basis. I see a top tier DL as being more of a need at #2 for Denver than a CB. Either way, Denver finished dead last in defense in 2010, and will be looking to upgrade that position here. Nick Fairley
3. Buffalo Bills 2010 Record: 4-12
Top Three Needs
1. Quarterback: Some tend to think that Ryan Fitzpatrick is the answer for Buffalo at QB, i don't. He is too inconsistent to be a starting QB in the NFL, and the Bills need to upgrade here. Fitz threw 15 picks in just 13 starts. Additionally, he threw for less than 200 yards in seven of his starts. These are not stats indicative of an NFL starting QB.
2. Defensive Line: 5 sacks between Spencer Johnson and Marcus Stroud. That isn't going to get it done, whether or not you play a 3-4 or a 4-3. Additionally, Buffalo finished 32nd in rush defense. They need an upgrade at one or two of their defensive line positions.
3. Wide Receiver: Not helping the fact that Buffalo was so poor on offense was their lack of skilled receivers. Steve Johnson did have over 1,000 yards receiving, but he dropped way too many passes. Lee Evans regressed a great deal in 2010 with only 37 receptions in 13 starts. Roscoe Parrish is no better than a #3 WR, if that. They need major upgrades in the passing game.
What the experts say
Todd McShay: QB- Blaine Gabbert, Missouri
Mel Kiper: DE- Marcell Dareus, Alabama
NFL Draft Site: DE- Da'Quan Bowers, Clemson
New NFL Draft: DE- Da'Quan Bowers, Clemson
My Conclusion: All three of the players projected by the experts above could go to Buffalo, they have needs at all those positions. However, i would be inclined to believe that they need to upgrade the receiving corp more than anything. Fitzpatrick is serviceable for 2011, and this isn't a great QB draft class. I also believe that Green would have the most immediate impact of any of those three options. He could come in right away and be the true #1 WR in Buffalo. Not only does Green have all the athletic ability to be a great receiver in the NFL, he is sound in all aspects of the game including route running etc... I think it would be a great pick for Buffalo. A.J. Green
4. Cincinnati Bengals 2010 Record: 4-12
Top Three Needs
1. Quarterback: Carson Palmer has demanded a trade and threatened to retire if not traded. So, it goes without saying they need a QB. The problem is that there really isn't a great QB option at #4. That said, Cincinnati cannot go into 2011 with Jordan Palmer and Dan LaFevour battling for the #1 QB spot.
2. Wide Receiver: Chad Ochocinco isn't getting any younger, and there are rumblings that he may want out of Cincinnati, especially if Palmer is traded. Terrell Owens will not be back in 2010 either. With those two losses, Cincinnati loses 140 receptions and over 1800 yards. Needless to say, Cincinnati needs to upgrade this position and have someone opposite Jordan Shipley.
3. Running Back: Cedric Benson is slated to be a free agent, and he may continue what could be a mass exodus. Without Benson the Bengals really have no one to carry the load. Even with Benson, Cincinnati finished 27th in the league in rushing. Another problem, Mark Ingram would be a reach at #4. I think you could easily see the Bengals trade down from #4.
What the experts say
Todd McShay: WR- A.J. Green, Georgia
Mel Kiper: DE- Da'Quan Bowers, Clemson
NFL Draft Site: WR- A.J. Green, Georgia
New NFL Draft: WR- A.J. Green, Georgia
My Conclusion: Considering that i don't have A.J. Green available here, i would conclude that Cincinnati goes QB and reaches for Blaine Gabbert. If the Bengals completely blow up what they have, then they would need to start with a new QB, and not wait until 2012 to do so. If A.J. Green falls to #4, then the Bengals have a difficult decision to make. Take the WR when they have no one to throw the ball, or take the QB when they have no one to catch the ball. Blaine Gabbert
5. Arizona Cardinals: 2010 Record: 5-11
Top three needs
1. Quarterback: Four different QBs combined for just 10 TDs and 19 INTs, not good to say the least. A season that started with the release of Matt Leinart, finished with Richard Bartel playing QB, yes that Richard Bartel, you know the one we have never heard of. Arizona threw for less than 200 yards 11 different times in 2010, pretty pathetic. They have weapons in Larry Fitzgerald and Steve Breaston, now they just need someone to throw them the ball.
2. Offensive Line: Couple a horrible passing game, with only 1,388 yards rushing as a team, and you have an issue. Additionally, Arizona QBs were sacked a total of 50 times in 2010. This offense was completely enemic, and they need to upgrade the line in order for any QB to succeed.
3. Defensive Line: Arizona was 30th in rush defense in 2010. They also compiled a total of 33 sacks in their 3-4 scheme. It wasn't the LBs that had the issue, the defensive line was unable to open up lanes for the likes of Joey Porter etc... A defense that ranked 30th in the league in scoring is in need of major upgrades pretty much everywhere.
What the experts say
Todd McShay: CB- Patrick Peterson, LSU
Mel Kiper: QB- Blaine Gabbert, Missouri
NFL Draft Site: QB- Ryan Mallett, Missouri
New NFL Draft: DL- Marcell Dareus, Alabama
My Conclusion: In the NFL it all starts with QB, and they do not have one. Pretty simple conclusion right? Draft a QB! However, with Gabbert off the board, the decision gets more difficult. Reach for a Newton or Mallett, or simply ignore the QB in the draft and go the route of acquiring a veteran. The problem with that is i doubt that Kyle Orton, Carson Palmer or Donovan McNabb would want to come to Arizona. So in my opinion, the Cardinals go with Ryan Mallett over Cameron Newton here. I may get a lot of slack for picking two QBs to go top 5, but i honestly believe that it is a real possibility. Ryan Mallett
6. Cleveland Browns 2011 Record: 5-11
Top three needs
1. Wide Receiver: Cleveland really has no outside threat on offense, and with McCoy who is a nice young QB, they really need one. Mohamed Massaquoi and Brian Robiskie, their two starting receivers, combined for a grant total of 65 receptions, 800 yards and 5 TDs. They need a lot of help here.
2. Defensive Line: Cleveland ranked 27th in the league in rushing defense, allowing 129 yards per game. When you have an offense void of the big play, the defense needs to step up and get off the field, and Cleveland's didn't. Their major issue was on the defensive line as their secondary is pretty darn good. With Dick Labeau coming in, i see Cleveland utilizing the 3-4, which will have some impact on who they decide to draft.
3. Linebacker: Eric Barton and David Bowens are on their last legs, and Chris Gocong isn't the answer. Switching to the 3-4 system, Cleveland may be forced to reach for a LB here. Ultimately, the Browns need to upgrade their fron 7, no matter what scheme they play.
What the experts say
Todd McShay: DE- Robert Quinn, North Carolina
Mel Kiper: WR- A.J. Green, Georgia
NFL Draft Site: DL- Marcell Dereus, Alabama
New NFL Draft: CB- Prince Amukamara, Nebraska
My Conclusion: Cleveland could reach for Julio Jones here, but i doubt that they do. They can get another receiver in the later rounds with more value. Cleveland wasn't a horrible team in 2010, and they could contend with some upgrades. I look for the Browns to go with Robert Quinn here. He could play a 4-3 end, or a 3-4 OLB, something that will extremely help their team overall. I do have an issue with Quinn being an immediate impact rookie because he is switching positions and missed 2010. However, he has as much upside as any defensive player not named Patrick Peterson. Robert Quinn
So the long (and short) of it.
McShay Kiper NFL Draft Site New NFL Draft
1. Carolina Bowers Fairley Fairley Fairley
2. Denver Fairley Peterson Peterson Peterson
3. Buffalo Gabbert Dareus Bowers Bowers
4. Cincinnati Green Bowers Green Green
5. Arizona Peterson Gabbert Mallett Dareus
6. Cleveland Quinn Green Dareus Amukamara
Under my theory both Patrick Peterson and Prince Amukamara will be available when the 49ers select at #7. That could be the homer in me, but i really do see both Gabbert and Mallett going in the top five. Usually cornerbacks are not selected in the top five. There hasn't been a CB taken in the top five since Dallas took Terence Newman in 2003. Additionally, Newman and Charles Woodson are the only CBs to go top five since 1998. Considering that Cleveland doesn't need a corner, i believe that the 49ers will have both of the top corners available to them at 7.
Of course all of this could change with pending off-season moves, free agent signings, trades etc... However, team needs ahead of the 49ers will play an important role in who does or does not fall to #7. Also, i think that the 49ers may have the opportunity to select A.J. Green, this depending on whether or not Buffalo decides to go QB. In my humble opinion, the 49ers will be looking at the defensive side of the ball with the #7 pick. That may not make a whole lot of sense considering that they brought in an offensive minded coach, Jim Harbuagh. That said, the 2011 draft if top heavy with defensive players, and that could fit nicely into what the 49ers plan to do.
CBS Sports has a real nice top prospect list here. Amazingly, the list goes as far down as the 2,650th best 2011 NFL draft prospect. You can click on each player to find a profile. I swear by this chart in making my extended mock, which i will post at a later date.
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I chose Patrick Peterson based on the mere fact that.....
I don’t see a situation that Peterson AND Amukamara would be drafted in the first 6 spots. Amukamara would most definitely be available at #7. Peterson is someone that could drop to #7 but Amukamara would be there reguardless. Besides, I think Peterson or Amukamara would be the best 2 choices reguardless of who drops.
Funny, I voted for Prince based on the same principle...
I don’t actually consider it a “fall” if Prince is there, because I don’t think he even ranks as a #7 overall. I’d be most surprised if Peterson is there, but out of all the other choices, I think Bowers is most likely to be there aside from Prince.
by 9thevolution on Jan 24, 2011 12:20 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Senior bowl practice day1 is on NFL-network 12;30 -2;00 pm thats if you have direct-tv
if you have comcast ?
by Jayubb415rebirth on Jan 24, 2011 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
nfl network online
you can go to atdhe.net and watch a live stream, good stuff folks
I want a CB with our 1st round pick!
it just finished
"The year we beat Miami in the Super Bowl, ... do you know how many defensive linemen were in our rotation? Nine, and we used them all quite a bit. We just wore the Dolphins out."
Bill Walsh quote
by Iupati_like_its_1999 on Jan 24, 2011 2:12 PM PST up reply actions
Great first thread!
Prince will be there at # 7, I hope the niners stay away and trade down and pick the best OLB and a late first or 2nd round corner. I just don’t see greatness in him . If you want to scare Prince just say Justin Blackmon!
That would be an ENORMOUS mistake.
What makes you believe that Peterson would NOT have the potential to be great? I mean what have you seen (or not seen) exactly to warrant that statement?
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
Nevermind...
LOL. I for some reason read, Peterson rather than Prince….disregard.
I agree.
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
That would be an ENORMOUS mistake.
What makes you believe that prince would NOT have the potential to be great? I mean what have you seen (or not seen) exactly to warrant that statement?
just kidding lol
"You know whats funny? I always thought uhm dogs lay eggs and I learned something new today" Peter Griffin
by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 24, 2011 10:45 PM PST up reply actions
It threw me off reading your first comment.
I was like…..what’s he talking about? I didn’t read that? Funny.
by ericalancanty on Jan 24, 2011 11:56 PM PST up reply actions
Even Deion Sanders got burned a few times.
Harbaughcalypse Now
If his interviews go well
CAM NEWTON. He is a winner and a game changer and a quick study at every level he has played.
Senior bowl practice day 1 is on NFL network right now if you have direct-tv if you have comcas
tough cookies.12;30 – 2;00pm
by Jayubb415rebirth on Jan 24, 2011 12:37 PM PST up reply actions
Anything is possible.
Best case senario is Newton, Mallet, and Gabbert all being taken in the Top 5, leaving us a bevy of great players for us to select. Case and point, the Jets trading up to #5 to take Mark Sanchez. If Sanchez can go #5 overall, so can the QBs listed above.
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by Hoopers Judge on Jan 24, 2011 12:33 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I doubt Arizona will go for a QB that early
They have plenty of areas that need upgrading more than QB, where they have an improving John Skelton. He has plenty of physical tools and I think will be a more than serviceable QB in the future. Carson Palmer or Kyle Orton may also be options here as well. I just don’t see Gabbert, Mallett, Newton or Locker as top 10 picks. One or two of them will go in the 10-20 range, and the rest probably in the late 1st to early 2nd rounds.
if they want to satisfy and cater to Fitzy
then they will draft a QB… Gabbert if available, then Mallet.
by Giants49war on Jan 24, 2011 10:10 PM PST up reply actions
if the broncos pass on peterson then i see him falling to us.
Denver is the only team that really has cornerback as a need
Some experts have Pat Patterson as the best overall player in this draft
If he has a great combine, I really doubt he will be around at #7.
Also, with such a weak draft class, I see a lot of trades happening in the 1st round, teams trying to grab who they think is the best available/valued player.
If there is a team desperate for the #7 pick, and Patterson is not there, I say trade it away and move down to a spot where you can still comfortably draft Locker or Newton.
I agree, if peterson off the board the niners should try to trade down and pick up more picks. But I would like them to pick Andy Dalton in the 2nd or 3rd rd.
by bmcrae83@yahoo.com on Jan 24, 2011 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
I like Dalton
I’ll be paying close attention to him during the week for the Senior Bowl. Him and the rest of the QB’s participating. I thought Keapernick looked pretty good in the first day of practice.
In Jed We Trust?
word
in the above scenario, Mallett and Gabbert picks can be traded away. someone from 8 to 32 will be willing to part with a later pick in order to get Peterson. If the bungles or cards don’t take him, another team will.
based on the talent in this draft, the niners are well advised to trade down. two second rounders in this draft could be a real steal if we can get it.
if we do that, lets take their 1st round draft next year
so for example lets say Redskins want to trade up with us. Then we switch 1sts, and instead of taking their 2nd which is the usual case, lets take their next year’s 1st round pick. Of course this is all strategy to take Andrew Luck. lol.
by Giants49war on Jan 24, 2011 10:13 PM PST up reply actions
amn i would be overly thrilled if both peterson and amukamara were available when we are set to pick!
"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
i can just see delonte west winning a game of poker against lebron, throwing down the cards he yells, "who's your daddy!"...."oh, sorry man"
by remembering9ergods on Jan 24, 2011 12:54 PM PST reply actions
Both top CB's tend to scare me a bit because of their size
It’ll be interesting to see how their pre-draft stuff goes. I hear a lot of talk about Peterson’s versatility for his size and how he could be converted to safety in the NFL…not sure I like to hear that out of a guy we’d take to be a #1 CB.
Prince has been stiff at times and doesn’t have elite speed. Sounds like a younger Nate Clements, a little.
Part of me thinks we’d be better off with a quicker, cover-CB type…but that’s just my opinion.
Trust me, I have no idea either.
Nitwitter
Peterson is pretty quick.
I’ve heard he has the size to contribute at Safety but he isn’t talked about there because he can’t cover.
Peterson at 220 lbs would be a BEAST. Most CB's that have his ability are smaller.
His size is his advantage.
by ericalancanty on Jan 24, 2011 11:58 PM PST up reply actions
Good analysis...
Think Denver also has to worry about their other starting corner going to prison. I keep reading that in places but haven’t looked up the details.
They might be looking at losing both their starting CB’s.
denver
if they get fairley they are going to have a very scary pass rush next season.
d.j. williams, mario haggan, elvis dumervil and nick fairley will wreck havoc. if they can add a pass rushing DE to that it could be a scary defense even without champ bailey in the backfield.
"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
i can just see delonte west winning a game of poker against lebron, throwing down the cards he yells, "who's your daddy!"...."oh, sorry man"
by remembering9ergods on Jan 24, 2011 12:59 PM PST reply actions
*claps for Nocal's first front page post
a good read with lots of good information. Kind of like losing your virginity to a hot college chick, only not as good.
Totally true
You cannot really compare the two. Don’t want to go much further than that. NN is PG rated right? LOL
Mila "Sweet Lips" Kunis, as stated by Scarlett Johansson. I couldn't agree more. Reverse would be true too!!!!
by nocal81(Vincent) on Jan 24, 2011 3:47 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Thanks Man
I have had stuff on FB before, but this is different.
Amakumara does seem like a slip to me if he falls to 7. I have him as a top 5 prospect, just an FYI
Mila "Sweet Lips" Kunis, as stated by Scarlett Johansson. I couldn't agree more. Reverse would be true too!!!!
by nocal81(Vincent) on Jan 24, 2011 1:26 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I think it's a slip if he falls out of top 10
but not at 7. I fully expect him to be there. I don’t think Amakumara AND Peterson go Top 5.
Yes, good stuff nocal. Well done and look forward to more.
And well done McWagner – it shouldn’t have taken until your post for someone to congratulate nocal on his first front-page post. Site decorum isn’t just about not swearing, men, it’s also about doing things with class; the Niners Nation way. Posters above McWagner, consider yourself rebuked.
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A different QB
It is very rare that one could justify taking a CB this high in the draft. My guess / hope, we trade down within the first round and draft Jake Locker. Coach Harbaugh knows Locker well enough from the Pac-10, and Locker seems to have all of the physical tools and character one wants in a leader. I think he’s going to be a great QB in the league, and just had awful teams he had to carry effectively alone at U Dub.
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.
Locker scares me
Great physical tools yes, horrible accuracy. Accuracy to me, is arguably the most important thing for a QB to have. Mechanics can be refined to clean it up a bit, but his mechanics aren’t that bad, so I have a lot of doubts that it will get much better, especially at the NFL level. I have him in the bust department along with Gabbert, and potentially, any other QB in this draft, lol.
In Jed We Trust?
Gabbert
not the best QB in the draft, and won’t be the first off the board. That said, with the developing Cincy situation, There could be a run on QBs. here’s hoping for Peterson at 7. Newton in Cincy would be an interesting match, especially if they can manage an elite RB some how. I’m still hoping for Matt Jones to land somewhere, and Cincy signed him for a short time before the T.O. pick up. Shipley, Jones opposite, duel threat QB. Makes the o-line woahs a little less prevailant.
PLEASE get McFadden out of Oakland. The pain is more than I can handle. Oakland, where careers go to die.
Arkansas Homer if rooting for Jones to land somewhere?
lol.
I think QBs are always over valued. I expect more to go in 2nd round than 1st though. It really hurts us that we drop so far down in the draft order in the 2nd round. A lot of those teams before us in draft, and tied at 6-10 are going to be looking at QBs in the 2nd round I bet.
I disagree
It could be by default because the draft doesn’t have a true franchise QB. But, he does have the skills necessary to succeed
Mila "Sweet Lips" Kunis, as stated by Scarlett Johansson. I couldn't agree more. Reverse would be true too!!!!
by nocal81(Vincent) on Jan 24, 2011 3:55 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I didn't say he didn't have the skills
I said he is not the best QB in this draft. I also disagree that the draft doesn’t have a true franchise QB. There are several good QBs in the draft. I think out of this draft there will be some real surprises from the QBs.
PLEASE get McFadden out of Oakland. The pain is more than I can handle. Oakland, where careers go to die.
Here's a thought that just popped into my head...
So the NFL decided to do the 3 day draft thing, so that they can get a bunch of people to watch and give coaches time to make trades between days and think about picks, and really spice it up…
Then, there’s the labor dispute and the franchises are likely to be very limited in their trade making ability if players are off limits… I think this will really take some of the excitement out of this draft…
In the end, it’s just going to be 12 hours of sportscenter going over how the felt people’s 1st round went, and no speculation… It’s kind of saddening, I was looking forward to the entertainment value of primetime…
trades
But draft-day trades often involve just picks though, don’t they? So there will generally be a decent amount of trades anyway I would think.
by David Fucillo on Jan 24, 2011 1:55 PM PST up reply actions
both!
"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
i can just see delonte west winning a game of poker against lebron, throwing down the cards he yells, "who's your daddy!"...."oh, sorry man"
by remembering9ergods on Jan 24, 2011 2:00 PM PST up reply actions
I can't see the play by play announcers practicing now
Ah-Moo-Ka-Mara, Ah-Moo-Ka-Mara, Ah-Moo-Ka-Mara
wait til next year!
I agree with this. It sounds a bit like a very drunk person asking another very drunk person if they have seen their camera.
“Amu camera?”
“Sssssh …” (giggles) … “Noooo, amu haven’t sheen ya camera.”
“Amu camera! I can’sst find my camera!”
(dissolves into giggles)
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Dude I'm in class stop making me smile you are going to get me i trouble.
Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
my dog <3
I like the idea of trading down in 1st rd
to get Locker but What if Locker does great at combine/proday. Then he could shoot up. And what if CB Peterson/Amukamara are gone. What DE/OL can we get.
by San_Hezzy_Playa on Jan 24, 2011 1:54 PM PST reply actions
i think locker is the 1st QB taken myself
either the cards or titans
and i expect him to have some of the better numbers amongst the QB’s at the combine
"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
i can just see delonte west winning a game of poker against lebron, throwing down the cards he yells, "who's your daddy!"...."oh, sorry man"
by remembering9ergods on Jan 24, 2011 2:02 PM PST up reply actions
If Patrick Peterson is not there at #7
we need to trade back…point blank. The extra draft picks will help us out.
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
We have to try but its not always possible.
Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
my dog <3
It's always possible...
there’s always a team thats willing to move up like the Chargers did because they really love a player. The team that holds the spot, is the team that holds all the cards.
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
*like the Chargers did for Ryan Mathews....
who they probably could have got at where they were slotted to begin with.
Same thing goes for Anthony Davis.
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
so i take it your not sold on prince?
i have no problem trading back because there’s alot of good CB’s in this draft but not to far back as we could use as much top talent as we can get.
assuming you get an extra 3rd rounder or whatever who do you target with the extra pick?
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i can just see delonte west winning a game of poker against lebron, throwing down the cards he yells, "who's your daddy!"...."oh, sorry man"
by remembering9ergods on Jan 24, 2011 2:43 PM PST up reply actions
Just trading back from # 7 to # 15 will get us another 2nd at approx. #47
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Not so much.
I have posted the reasons why about 15 times in other threads.
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must have missed it
point taken
"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
i can just see delonte west winning a game of poker against lebron, throwing down the cards he yells, "who's your daddy!"...."oh, sorry man"
by remembering9ergods on Jan 24, 2011 4:32 PM PST up reply actions
SAN FRANCISCO’S BEST CORNERBACK TANDEM IN THE LEAGUE WITH AH-MOO-KA-MARA AND ASO-MOO-WAH
9/8/10: 49ers go 11-5, Lose to Falcons first round. Smitty: 3500/25/15. Gore: 1300 yards, 10 TDs. Crabtree: 1000 yards, 7 TDs. Vernon: 900 yards, 8 TDs
by MichaelClutchtree on Jan 24, 2011 2:09 PM PST reply actions
Best CB tandem that no one can pronounce.
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by Hoopers Judge on Jan 24, 2011 2:35 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
lol
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 24, 2011 4:41 PM PST up reply actions
I would love Peterson but...
I really don’t think Peterson will be available. I think the Bronco’s will definitely snatch him up if Tim Tebow is seen as their future by John Fox. Furthermore, if he is available after the 5th pick, I wouldn’t put it past the Cowboy’s to trade up to get him. Cowboy nation wants him bad as their secondary continued to struggle this season. Another team standing in the way is Cleveland, who drafted Joe Haden last year out of Florida. The same way Ninersnation wants two good young CB’s, Cleveland would most likely put Peterson and Haden on the corners and really shut down the passing game.
Let’s all hope that the league makes a huge mistake and lets Peterson go, but realistically, I see us getting Prince Amukamura and truly believe he will do well for us.
by NinerSinceBirth on Jan 24, 2011 2:45 PM PST reply actions
both possibilties
i think though that the broncos take fairley if available and go after a CB in the 2nd round. if the panthers take fairley then i could see the broncos taking dareus. having a good pass rush can make average secondaries seem good.
browns is very possible, i think having two very good young corners as the corner stone of your defense is a great start. it wouldnt surprise me at all but i actually think the browns trade down and take a WR while adding another pick or two.
"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
i can just see delonte west winning a game of poker against lebron, throwing down the cards he yells, "who's your daddy!"...."oh, sorry man"
by remembering9ergods on Jan 24, 2011 2:52 PM PST up reply actions
Cleveland
Spent a top 10 pick on Joe Haden last season, I can’t see them doing that again at the same position. Also, if Wright re-signs the secondary is the strength of that team.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jan 24, 2011 4:10 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Absolutely.
They will go with a LB or WR
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Taking the Prince!
I think he will most likely be there. I think Peterson may be gone, and would be surprised if Bowers were available given the need at his position.
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i would be happy with
quinn or bowers the most
and be ok with peterson or amukamara
and i would not be mad with fairely, aj green
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ok.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 24, 2011 10:29 PM PST up reply actions
if we trade our #7 for a second this year
And a first next year, we can bundle both #1’s for Luck. Just thinking outside the box.
by wtlichens on Jan 24, 2011 5:50 PM PST via mobile reply actions
and then he stays another year after that no?
is he a sophomore or junior this year?
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 24, 2011 10:30 PM PST up reply actions
Just another guy's opinion ...
First, nocal81, great job on your first front-page post!
Now, concerning the draft:
1. IMO none of the top four QB prospects are worth the #7 pick because they are all projects at best. Maybe they have it, maybe they don’t. But, #7 is too high a price to pay to find out.
2. With the #7 pick we MUST get a guy who can start immediately AND have a MAJOR IMPACT in his rookie year.
3. IMO our BIGGEST problem with respect to pass defense is NOT the play of the corners; should we have better corners? Absolutely. But, IMO the greater need is to be able to put substantially more pressure on opposing QBs — with a premier pass-rusher. Let’s face it, we have not had a good pass-rusher since Andre Carter left in 2005. Thus, our corners are asked to cover for too long and they don’t get the job done. (Paranthetically, a frightening fact … the Niners have not had anyone get as many as 15 sacks in a season since Chris Doleman did it in 1998 … that’s 13 years ago!)
4. It is far more difficult to find a great edge pass-rusher than above-average cornerbacks.
5. Should be trade back in the first round? For the purpose of getting more picks? NO! We already have 10 picks in the 7-round draft. We could package some of those picks to move up to take a specific prospect, but why trade back to get a less-talented player when a big-impact prospect WILL be available at #7. Also, remember, if things go the way we hope that they will, this will probably be the highest draft pick that we get in some time.
6. Given all that, here are my top five selections, in my priority order, for the #7 pick:
(a) Da’Quan Bowers DE Clemson
(b) Robert Quinn DE North Carolina
© Patrick Peterson CB LSU
(d) A. J. Green WR Georgia
(e) Prince Amukamara CB Nebraska
7. I think that Bowers or Quinn could make the largest impact for us. Both Peterson and Green are such unique talents that you must take them if they are available. I would take Prince ONLY if all four of the other prospects were already gone.
8. I the weird instance in which all five of these prospects are gone, there are NO other prospects that I think are worth the 7th pick; in that much unexpected circumstance, I WOULD try to trade back to #15 or so and pick up another second round pick.
9. Again paranthetically, if we should be able to draft Quinn, I would immediately start him at ROLB in place of Parys Haralson; those of you who have watched tape of Quinn know that he was an absolute beast rushing from the right side, going by most OLTs like they were standing still; by the way, this also assumes that we resign Manny Lawson and keep he and Brooks at LOLB.
OK, go for it! Shoot me down!
by 49erFanSince1950 on Jan 24, 2011 6:34 PM PST reply actions
I agree to some extent
However, i would have Peterson and Green ahead of Quinn. I may be in the minority here, however, i just think him switching to a 3-4 OLB and missing last season will be an issue in 2011, and he won’t be a great impact player. Although, i have to say he has the most upside of nearly every defensive player in the draft.
Trading down from 7 wouldn’t necessarily mean that we would keep the extra draft picks that we would pick up. I can envision a scenario in where the 49ers trade down to the late teens or early 20’s, pick up a pass rusher there and acquire a corner and QB in the 2nd round. This would enable us to move a 3rd or 4th round pick in exchange for a veteran QB like Palmer or Orton.
I think it would be a difficult decision for the 49ers if A.J. Green and Patrick Peterson were both on the board at 7, then the 49ers would have to choose between one of the best WR prospects to come out over the last decade, and a possible elite corner.
Oh, thanks for the props!!
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jan 24, 2011 6:42 PM PST up reply actions
Quinn is the best potential at 34 OLB in this draft.
Half of Bowers sacks came in single games against crappy teams.
Quinn will most likely be drafted to play 43 DE though.
But, in essence, I disagree. I think Quinn is going to have major impact right away. Dez bryant sat a year too, member that? How did he turn out. Don’t let his absence persuade you in your decisions about him. Look at the tape, the kid has got game.
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
like everything except that fairley would be a good pick at 7
agree that I would rather have a pass rusher than a cb if harbaugh does not like any qb.
and it should be impact player with very low bust potential.
vernon davis and patrick willis were both pretty early picks.
last years draft early picks did not make much of an impact last year being two o-lineman and mays not starting right away.
with the o-line making a impact this year and good player at 7 this year that should be quite an improvement for the niners next year.
I think bowers will be a beast at olb.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 24, 2011 10:36 PM PST up reply actions
Kantwan Balmer
I know they are two totally different players, but a part of me loathes taking a DL from North Carolina because of Balmer. Love all the other selections and would be happy with anyone else.
by NinerSinceBirth on Jan 25, 2011 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
nice catch...
on the stat about CBs not going in the top 5. i’ll just add the extra twist that, it goes to show how much bufoonery goes on in the “draft guru” world. 3 of the 4 prognosticators you cite have a CB going at #2. since the so-called “blount rule” was adopted in 1977, the highest any CB has been taken in the draft was shawn springs at #3 in 1997. do these guys honestly think peterson is better than ever CB taken since 1977? i know a draft decision also involves an assessment of needs in addition to assessments of talent, so here’s 1 more question: do they think that no team in the top 2 since 1977 has needed a CB as badly as DEN does this year?
and of course, for more on “draft guru” bufoonery, see here.
by (Florida) Danny Tuccitto on Jan 24, 2011 7:06 PM PST reply actions
True
that was partly the reason that i have both top cornerbacks calling to the 49ers at #7. That, and the needs of the teams before the 49ers pick. The so-called “guru” represents a guessing game that goes on within the media. There is a reason why mock drafts that are a couple years old have been removed from the internet archives.
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jan 24, 2011 7:24 PM PST up reply actions
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Mila "Sweet Lips" Kunis, as stated by Scarlett Johansson. I couldn't agree more. Reverse would be true too!!!!
by nocal81(Vincent) on Jan 24, 2011 7:24 PM PST up reply actions
One thing you have to consider...
Is there is no “sure thing” QB, no top tier tackles, no dynamic playmaking running back… that creates a vacuum that can be filled by a corner.
prince will be there at 7 but we can get cbs in another round
1st round- Cam Newton 2nd round-jimmy smith 3rd round- Noel Devine 4th round- Owen Mariecic 4th round-Jonathon Baldwin 5th round-Aaron Williams 6th- Jerrell Powe 7th- Kai forbath
by willis is god 52 on Jan 24, 2011 8:19 PM PST reply actions
ras-dowling should be a good second round pick.
if his injuries are nothing to worry about then he seems like he would be a greeat number two corner back. only knock is his man to man coverage but the niners do play a lot of zone coverage. niners do also excel in run defense which again dowling would plays right into that being good in run defense and tackler.
sure he is not as good as peterson, amukamara, harris, smith but he would be a good second round pick if the niners take a qb or olb in the first.
can not wait until the draft.
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 24, 2011 10:42 PM PST up reply actions
Doesn't matter who is there at #7.
We are going to get an impact player at a position of need. Whether it’s one of the D lineman or Peterson we will get our CB or DE to make plays next season.
QUESTION: When is our QB going to answer questions like "You only threw 4 TD's today. What's wrong with the offense?"
ANSWER: When Andrew Luck ditches the draft and we sign him as an undrafted free agent!!!
wow
not worth #7
QUESTION: When is our QB going to answer questions like "You only threw 4 TD's today. What's wrong with the offense?"
ANSWER: When Andrew Luck ditches the draft and we sign him as an undrafted free agent!!!
Completely Agree
not worth a top 20 pick if you ask me
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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jan 24, 2011 10:34 PM PST up reply actions
agreed
but some team will reach because of his potential
"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
i can just see delonte west winning a game of poker against lebron, throwing down the cards he yells, "who's your daddy!"...."oh, sorry man"
by remembering9ergods on Jan 24, 2011 10:48 PM PST up reply actions
olb
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 24, 2011 10:42 PM PST up reply actions
If Green and Peterson
are gone by the 7th pick we should probably trade down and get some extra picks. In a perfect world we can sign Nnamdi and draft Peterson at 7 if available.
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if we could sign nnamdi or even cromartie
i would feel alot better about trading down. if for some reason maecell dareus is available id draft him if peterson was gone.
just out of curiousity whats the furthiest people would be willing to trade down? i wouldnt want to trade down past the 16th pick myself.
"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
i can just see delonte west winning a game of poker against lebron, throwing down the cards he yells, "who's your daddy!"...."oh, sorry man"
by remembering9ergods on Jan 24, 2011 10:57 PM PST up reply actions
Sign Cromartie and take Prince or Peterson ..
whoever’s left..and second round we can focus on the QB situation..rounds 3-4 should be on our defensive line. And 5th round..we’ll take a huge reliable receiver or speedy one.
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