Veteran QB Options
This is my first post on here. I've been lurching for about a week, I like what I've read. I hope I can add some good stuff. I want to break down the veteran QB options, both Free Agents and trade. I know this all hinges on the CBA but, whatever. I strongly believe that we should have a vet QB starting next year. None of the rookies really jump out at me. We should draft one, between 1st and 4th rounds for sure. However, if we have a rookie starting it just starts a rebuilding process. If we do that we might as well go all out and trade Frank Gore... Not really but maybe.
First with the free agents. Obviously the perks of this would be saving draft picks. I can imagine some teams overpaying on the trade market for a QB this year. It shouldn't be us. I honestly believe we need one pick on every level of defense (Early pick on CB, Pass rusher, a true oversized NT) SPEEDY skill player on O, FB, Draft a QB even if we trade for one, continuous O line depth and maybe even a kicker. Think about the purpose of a vet QB on our team next year. It would be to stay competitive while we groom our QB. Getting a FA QB makes a lot more sense to me. Investing in a trade for a QB and even a mid round draft pick on a rookie QB seems counter productive in a lot of ways. I could see it happening and making a lot of sense but I still would give a huge handicap to an UFA. I'm going to make this a pretty inclusive list, just for completeness. I'm just pulling from a list that doesn't specify RFAs.
Seneca Wallace: I actually haven't even thought of him until I brought up a list of free agents to write this. His career stats are pretty solid but hard to gauge for a career back up. Last year 8 games 4 starts 64/101 63.4% 6.9 avg 4 TD 2 INT. I don't know much about the Browns but I know their WRs are awful right? I remember him more as a runner but he only had 7 rush attempts last year. More fumbles than you'd like. Ran WCO all his career I think, 8 year vet, 30 years old from Sac. Not too old, would keep us from rushing a rookie out. Durability issues I think. Kinda underwhelming I know but I would actually be more optimistic about him then I would be McNabb at this point, plus the draft pick saved.Remember Rich Gannon? Just sayin.
Matt Hasselbeck: There's a lot to like about this actually. Numbers aren't great but I'm hesitant to put too much weight in that because of how bad his teams have been. Major durability issues and he's 35 it's only going to get worse, along with his play. Knows the division. 12 years in a WCO and has a coach on the field type thing that Harbaugh might really be drawn to. Help the team with the transition, valuable in case of CBA situation. Sign him and a high pick on a QB. Would only be a one year starter, even less if we're out of contention early. Would he even want to come to that?
Tarvaris Jackson: Ran WCO whole career. I really see him as Minnesotas Alex Smith, all things considered. That makes him very hard to gauge. I can see how it might work but a its very underwhelming option.
Matt Lienart: I don't want to think about a plus side to this but there is one. He was in Houston last year and they run a WCO and I think they ran it AZ a couple years also. Knows the division and can give us insight on AZ and maybe even Carroll. He's 27 and I can actually see Harbaugh working some magic on him. Might be humbled, hopefully. Don't want him if he's still all D-baggy though. NOT as a starter but I'd take him over Carr and maybe T. Smith.
Stanton, Edwards, Moore, Thigpin, Croyle, Quinn: We'd be better off with a rookie starter. If we want a mentor type we kind find better ones.
K. Collins, Bulger, Pennington: The only one I can make a case for is Pennington. It's not a very good case though.
Now for the trade options. I remember watching something with Jimmy Johnson and he was talking about the transition from coaching college to the NFL. Something that struck me was him saying how much that helped him on his first draft. I forgot which players he selected but he stressed the level of scouting that came with coaching against a lot of those players. I expect us to put quite a few chips into this years draft. I also don't expect us to let go of more than a 3rd round pick in any realistic trade. I can see us being active on draft day though.
Kevin Kolb: He's not leaving Philly. He was a high second round pick and he's only improved his stock. He has a low salary and plays behind an injury prone QB. He's good but he's not the type of guy I'd want to give up two first round picks for.
Carson Palmer: The biggest reason I don't see us getting him is because I imagine another team putting up a high second round pick for him. What it would take for us to beat that wouldn't really be worth it for us. I can see AZ making a push for him in an effort to keep Fitz happy. Honestly, when I think of Palmer I get visions of Drew Bledsoe. We shouldn't give up too much. If the price is right though he could be the best option for the next 3-4 years if we snag him.
Donavan McNabb: You can make some excuses for him because I'm pretty sure Shannahan is a megalomanic or something. Last years stats/Age/Health look very bad for him though. There are enough QB hungry teams out there and I don't think he will hit the open market. He knows the WCO but if we give up more than a 4th for him it would be a mistake. If we give up a higher pick on a QB it has to be someone we can count on being the starter for at least 2-3 years. I think its a mistake to choose McNabb for that. I grade him about the same as I would Hasselbeck so why burn a pick? If he is cut it wouldn't happen til after the draft and we shouldn't let that possibility effect our draft board at all.
Vince Young: He's obviously got some red flags. He's got this weird ghetto Forrest Gump vibe. The dude can play though. Has pretty good stats and he's had a sub-par WR corps in Tenn for pretty much his whole career. He's the only QB I think we can get that would effect our draft strategy. If he can be focused and buy in to a QB guru like Harbaugh he would be the guy that I would want out of all our potential options. We could realistically get him for a fifth I think because Titans have so little leverage. A third should be all it takes and it has its gambles, the potential payoff is higher than any other QB not in the draft.
Josh Johnson/Matt Flynn: Good, young, cheap back-ups have value to their current teams. I think we would have to over-pay for either one. If we trade for Johnson I would think of it more like drafting him in place of the QB we would have taken with that pick. If we do that is a huge vote of confidence from Harbaugh, so I would support it. 4th rounder at the highest.
Those are all the players I can think of mentioning. Now for my realistic dream scenario.
1. Trade for Vince Young. I don't see him hitting the open market, between SF, CAR, AZ, MIN, MIA, BUF, Maybe even CIN. Somebody will give up a pick for him and he'll work his contract to get out. If we target a QB in the trade market we need to be aggressive.
2. a. Draft A.J. Green. If Peterson doesn't fall to us in the draft A.J. Green might. Maybe just the madden fan in me but VY + Green + what we already have = Oh my god. If things click that's a nightmare for any D. When I think of one player that would raise our level of play the most in the draft it's A.J. Green. Drastically change our identity on O.
2. b. Draft Peterson/Prince.
3. a. Draft best cover corner we can.
3. b. Draft a skill offensive player in McCluster or Harvin mold.
4. Sign Champ Baily and move him to FS.
5. Sign either Woodley or Hali.
Again, easy to make a case against Vince Young but his floor to ceiling seems much more favorable than any other option. If he can be had for a 3rd its a worthy gamble. if its going to take a 2nd we might as well see if Locker falls or maybe trade back into the first for a QB. Off topic a bit but I do like Green at the 7 pick. Especially with the CB depth there seems to be this year. Imagine Green/Crabs/Morgan/Ginn/Walker/VD/Gore. Could be scary.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Niners Nation's writers or editors.
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I like your scenario ..... sort of
I’m not really sold on Vince Young… tho I’m not clear on a better choice.
I like the Champ Bailey at FS move especially – - – -
I don’t think AJ Green is going to fall anywhere near us…
Didn't think Crabtree was going to fall either.
You totally have a point. I’m just saying I would rank Green #2 BPA for us behind Peterson.
by Killin Me Smalls on Jan 25, 2011 4:53 PM PST up reply actions
Welcome...
Glad you’ve joined the site. And I’d like to say that this is the kind of FanPost that is ok outside the QB discussion thread. You went into detail with your own analysis on numerous QB options. I’m already tired of the QB discussion (mainly given the potential delay to the start of free agency), but if you’re going to write about it, this is one good example.
Thanks for the welcome.
I saw your QB discussion thread but it was a lot of comments to sift through on a new account. I also remember you saying to start a new thread if you had enough substance to justify it. I really dig the site. I remember Steve Young always saying that 49er fans on average are the smartest in the league. Really shows up here!
by Killin Me Smalls on Jan 25, 2011 5:31 PM PST reply actions
couple things
1. Reply button – it’s not as big a deal in this thread but for bigger threads it’s important to click the reply button for replying, otherwise it’s hard to follow conversations.
2. QB thread – the general idea is if you’ve found a link about the subject, unless you’re going to provide at least 3 or 4 paragraphs of solid analysis, it should probably go in the QB thread. There’s too much fluff out there to have a new thread everytime someone with a national radio show feels the need to speculate.
Other than that have fun here.
by David Fucillo on Jan 25, 2011 6:19 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Got ya on both counts.
I confused “New Comment” and thought it was to reply. Ironic that I was talking about the smarts of Niner fans haha. Props again on the site.
by Killin Me Smalls on Jan 25, 2011 6:59 PM PST up reply actions
Raiders fans still haven't figured out the reply button.
if you see a comment with 4 recs on Silver and Black Pride, that means 4 people tried to reply to it.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
by these3words on Jan 25, 2011 11:59 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I forgot about a Kyle Orton trade...
Kyle Orton: I actually think he’d be a pretty good fit for us. Fits our needs well with age & play style. I also think it would be a mistake for the Bronco’s to give him up cheap and I don’t see it happening. Another team would give Denver a better offer than us I’m sure.
by Killin Me Smalls on Jan 26, 2011 12:32 AM PST reply actions
Can't trade w/o new CBA
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
Sounds like Goodell
is betting on it happening sooner than later. He says if it doesn’t he’ll take a dollar as his salary.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 26, 2011 5:21 PM PST up reply actions
He can afford it...
It’s PR stance that he is taking to make it look like he is the “good guy”
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
Yeah no trades or free agents til the league year starts. Can't happen w/o CBA
I think somethings going to get done though. A freeze up on player movement will bring a big time drop in fan interest for all the stuff the league hypes up. First day of Free Agency is pretty huge and trades make the draft much more interesting. We all know how much they pimp that. This lockout situations just big circle jerk. Both sides have too much to lose and both sides know it.
by Killin Me Smalls on Jan 26, 2011 5:56 PM PST up reply actions
Orton would be good but I doubt Denver lets him go
Palmer aint happening and Eagles are not stupid enough to let Kolb go, behind Vick they have nothing, Vince Young seems like 3 steps back from Alex Smith drama and diva we dont need the attitude. I have a sinking feeling Harbaugh may think he can improve Alex under his scheme
Agreed on Palmer/Orton/Kolb/Smith
I potentially disagree about Young’s diva issues. I can see that being overblown by the ESPN/PFT soap opera machine. I never remember his teammates being too harsh on him publicly, that’s when I see it being more valid. Maybe they’re just being good teammates who knows. I do see a cause for concern. I’m more worried about his wonderlic score though.. Even with all that, he’s good on the field. I totally share that dread about Alex coming back.
by Killin Me Smalls on Jan 26, 2011 9:40 PM PST up reply actions
i think we need a vet
having a QB as a coach lessons the need but a vet QB would likely be paired up with the rookie being groomed on the road and could really help him develope, learn teh offense and break down film faster.
i think pennington would be a great backup QB but is to fragile to be a starter. adding him and another vet and drafting a QB would be my ideal QB situation. just dont know who to get to start, i like several of them
"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
i can just see delonte west winning a game of poker against lebron, throwing down the cards he yells, "who's your daddy!"...."oh, sorry man"
by remembering9ergods on Jan 26, 2011 1:49 PM PST reply actions
Pennington
I don’t think we should waste a roster spot on a coach.
by Killin Me Smalls on Jan 26, 2011 9:31 PM PST up reply actions
smart and very accurate QB
if we are going to dump/trade carr, which i think is very possible we will need a backup. addind pennington and a starter to groom a young QB wouldnt be a bad idea. especially when pennington will come cheap and is willing to be a third stringer as he did last with the phins
"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
i can just see delonte west winning a game of poker against lebron, throwing down the cards he yells, "who's your daddy!"...."oh, sorry man"
by remembering9ergods on Jan 26, 2011 10:24 PM PST up reply actions
Not disagreeing with anything you said but how would Pennigton fit with us?
I also think Carr has a good chance to be let go. The only reason he might stay is so we don’t have an empty cupboard at QB as he’s the only one under contract. I’d take Troy Smith over him anyday. I’m not a Troy Smith fan either. But either T. Smith or Carr should stay. Most likely situation in my mind is that we have 2 new QBs, a vet projected starter and a rookie holding the clipboard. No way Pennington is that starter. If we cut Carr we would have still pay him some money and would it really be worth it just to bring in Pennington? I see what Chad can bring but honestly Jeff Garcia can bring a lot of the same things.
by Killin Me Smalls on Jan 26, 2011 10:42 PM PST up reply actions
i actually think we add 3 new QB's
a rookie and 2 vets, a starter and backup but thats just my opinion. pennington would be the backup in that plan as he’s to fragile to start
"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
i can just see delonte west winning a game of poker against lebron, throwing down the cards he yells, "who's your daddy!"...."oh, sorry man"
by remembering9ergods on Jan 26, 2011 10:57 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah that would boil down to Carr vs. Pennington
Is that debate even worth having? hahaha
by Killin Me Smalls on Jan 26, 2011 11:31 PM PST up reply actions
id take pennington over carr all day
pennington has not only been on a winning team, to the playoffs, he is very accurate and has alot to teach. so yes, worth the upgrade.
carr was actually a hot commodity when we signed him, if we could get a draft pick for him, even a 5th id be pickled to take that and sign chad
"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
i can just see delonte west winning a game of poker against lebron, throwing down the cards he yells, "who's your daddy!"...."oh, sorry man"
by remembering9ergods on Jan 27, 2011 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
We only got a 7th for Hill and he had a better contract. No team will trade for Carr.
Bringing in Chad for the 3rd QB is just super nasty to me. The role of a 3rd QB is an emergency role, only if the top 2 QB’s are hurt. That’s how I’ve always understood it. If the 3rd QB is playing it’s only because we have NO ONE else. If he would ever see the field, Chad in that role with his injury history is just a disaster waiting to happen.
I see the upside but it would only be in the role of a tutor. He’d be a better tutor then Carr but I think Carr can bring something to the table also. Plus we’d have to eat some cash.
by Killin Me Smalls on Jan 27, 2011 2:04 PM PST up reply actions
as i said if carr isnt hear.
and i do think they could trade him even if for very late pick like they got for hill. pennington would be the backup, the rookie would be the 3rd string while being groomed.
again, just my opinion.
"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
i can just see delonte west winning a game of poker against lebron, throwing down the cards he yells, "who's your daddy!"...."oh, sorry man"
by remembering9ergods on Jan 27, 2011 3:01 PM PST up reply actions
I swear to god I saw this same post already
must be a different post about the same topic…
Super Bowl XXIV: 49ers 55 - Broncos 10
First off welcome
secondly “lurching” is not good, it’s almost akiin to hurling. (Just kidding around) Thanks for you input on what you feel and quite well expressed. Id echo, what Fooch has eluded to. 1 million two hundred and 35 separate threads on the same essential subject lessens the impact of the information more than being able to talk about it in one thread. I would personally ask you to put this information n the Official QB thread that Fooch was nice enough to set up for us. That way it doesn’t get lost in the “Oh it’s another of those guys that wrote a QB thread.” It’s not so much lessening the value of your input as wanting your input to be in with the group. It brings about an organization that can be valuable.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 26, 2011 5:17 PM PST reply actions
I need to look up the definiition of lurch lol
I totally understand beating a dead horse with the multiple QB discussion on the posts. However, I do feel justified about this topic because we can focus on vets without redundant draft chatter. I’m noticing that the official threads are much much more active though.
by Killin Me Smalls on Jan 26, 2011 6:14 PM PST up reply actions
i think you meant to say you've been lurking for about a week.
not lurching.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
Not worried about lockout
The NFL makes to much money for too many people to have a lockout. The owners will realize that the losses would be larger than the gains if there were to be a lockout. I think we will go to 18 games but there will not be a lockout and we will be playing football again in october.
The principle is competing against yourself. It's about self-improvement, about being better than you were the day before. -Steve Young

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