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49ers WR Michael Crabtree: Backlash Already?

I've noticed in the comments since the middle of this past season that there is a small movement that is getting tired of 49ers WR Michael Crabtree and thinks the team should try and trade him away. Other folks are not at that point but remain convinced that he likely isn't going to become a number one wide receiver for the 49ers.

Crabtree joined the 49ers after a protracted holdout and proceeded to put together a very impressive rookie season. In 11 games he hauled in 48 receptions for 625 yards and 2 touchdowns. In his sophomore campaign however, he had a bit of a regressions. He had 55 receptions for 741 yards and 6 touchdowns, but it was over a full 16-game season. Furthermore, he seemed to disappear from the offense for long stretches. There were three different games where he had only one reception. Although he didn't quite openly complain about the offense (as far as I can tell), one could sense he was displeased with the way things were developing.

Through all this, I wonder how much of Crabtree's abilities have been suppressed at times by poor QB play and a poor offensive scheme. Good wide receivers can make things work in bad situations, but it can still be difficult particularly for young receivers. Additionally, there is the common refrain that wide receivers often take until their third year to really break out. Crabtree is entering his third season in the NFL and will have a new quarterback and a new offense at his disposal.

Can Crabtree be effective in the west coast offense and will he have that third year breakout we often hear about with wide receivers? I know I could be wrong about him, but I remain convinced he can be a legit number one for the 49ers. There have been complaints about his attitude but at this point I think it's too soon to be concerned about that. Wide receivers get the diva tag fairly easily and I'd like to give him more time in hopefully a more stable situation this season before tagging him as some kind of problem child.

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I feel like the new system and new coaching will get more from Crabtree

as will a better situation at QB, even if that comes mainly from the same improvements in system and coaching. I do think he’s not a typical #1 WR but he could become a guy who’s hard to cover on certain routes due to technique and strength vs. physical DB’s.

Trust me, I have no idea either.
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by Tre9er on Jan 27, 2011 12:03 PM PST reply actions  

i think crabs

would be better as a slot receiver, pick up a new #1 and #2, i think morgan sucks, and let crabs work out of the slot.

by FoAdTriPPinG on Jan 27, 2011 3:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Morgan sucks?

700 receiving yards and a 15.9 average is sucky?

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by mikeinsp on Jan 27, 2011 6:31 PM PST up reply actions  

he is not consistent enough to be a #1 or 2,

hey I could be wrong but morgan hasnt impressed me at all. thats a nice avg, but id like to see him get more shorter catches for first downs rather than an occasional big play that inflates his yards. our receivers don’t seem consistent to me, id like to upgrade both of them, give crabs one more year maybe he will break out.

by FoAdTriPPinG on Jan 27, 2011 9:45 PM PST up reply actions  

How can you even say that?

If anything, Morgan has been our one consistent WR. Do you realize he ranked second in the league in YAC? Yes, we all know he is not a #1 receiver and he was never supposed to be. He is a later round pick that has exceeded expectations. I would argue that he would be even more productive with a good QB and a true #1 for defenses to focus on. The guy has been solid and there is no reason to say he sucks. He doesn’t drop balls or do anything to warrant that. Now Ginn on the other hand…

In Jed We Trust?

by jonesin25 on Jan 27, 2011 10:14 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

are you serious

it came down like a punt lol, ok maybe i am being too tough on morgan but im not thrilled with any of our wideouts right now. I think we need to upgrade and that could mean losing morgan as a starter. Maybe morgan would be better in the WCO but i want to see more consistent playmaking and keeping the chains moving not the occasional stat grabbing big play. we need a welker type who can go over the middle and get those yards that keeps drives alive.

by FoAdTriPPinG on Jan 27, 2011 11:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Well I don’t disagree that we could use at least one great WR, and it may cost Morgan a starting gig, I would be perfectly fine with him being the #3 and putting Crab in the slot. That’s how I would see it getting done anyway. I feel like if they had a true 1 and a good QB, their WR depth would be just fine.

In Jed We Trust?

by jonesin25 on Jan 28, 2011 8:26 PM PST up reply actions  

i like crabs

he’s going to have a decent year with an accurate QB. i am in no way ready to give up of him. he may not be as good as some thought but he’s still going to be good.

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by remembering9ergods on Jan 27, 2011 12:05 PM PST reply actions  

I like some of Crabtree's play

and some of it just aggravating. Me being down on Crabs is the same reason his trade value is low: He doesn’t make easy catches and isn’t always (often?) willing to risk himself for the tough catch. The QB play has suppress the Crabtree’s upside no doubt but no one trades top dollar for a WR who doesn’t have either of these two traits.

by asmithisaverage on Jan 27, 2011 1:11 PM PST up reply actions  

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IMO, Crabtree can be a #1. He’s not fast but he’s quick. He gets good separation and uses his body to shield defenders from the ball, all qualities you look for in a go-to guy. I think with the inept offense the 49ers had to struggle through all year, as well as Sing’s insistence on running the ball, really hurt Crabs. Add on the fact that teams were probably keeping a closer eye on him this year than last and you’ve got a surefire recipe for failure.

As for his attitude, I don’t think it’s an issue at this point. It’s not like he’s Desean Jackson.

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by return2greatness on Jan 27, 2011 12:08 PM PST reply actions  

+1

He doesn’t posses the speed to get deep nor the size to win jump balls with bigger DBs, but he is a quick runner who runs with a low center of gravity. I hope that coach Harbaugh’s offense will mix with Crabtree’s strengths, such as running slants, crossing and other underneath routes where he can create seperation and catch the ball on the run.

by MinerNiner on Jan 27, 2011 12:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Double moves

we didn’t use them often but I would bet that Crabs would excell in these. He has the agility to really sell the fake and then bust upfield. It will be good too see what JH can do with him and I agree with getting him in the middle of the field on drags, crossing patterns and screens.

I survived Jim Harbaugh week

by return2greatness on Jan 27, 2011 12:31 PM PST up reply actions  

most DB's aren't bigger than him anyways

plus he’s very strong and tough, finds the ball well. That is to say we’re probably in agreement.

I do think he belongs running routes with hard cuts,not go’s or seam routes. He should excel in WCO where he can get YAC too (remember the bubble screens/slants he made a living off of at TT?)

Trust me, I have no idea either.
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by Tre9er on Jan 27, 2011 1:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Get a real FA #1...

and have Davis as the #2.

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by drummer on Jan 27, 2011 1:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree

I think we need VJax.

by hudd07 on Jan 27, 2011 1:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn't mind him

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by manraj7 on Jan 27, 2011 11:07 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah

I’d work him in the slot ALOT more too…give him free release and let him make DB’s look silly without a jam to slow down the route

Trust me, I have no idea either.
Nitwitter

by Tre9er on Jan 27, 2011 1:31 PM PST up reply actions  

I like crabtree as well

In JH we trust to get us our qb. Let crabtree work it out with the new/(alex-might be our best option considering cba) qb. If they have chemistry then AWESOME!

by mrb24 on Jan 27, 2011 12:08 PM PST reply actions  

I should also note

that I have his jersey… so I’m full on the Crabtree bandwagon.

I survived Jim Harbaugh week

by return2greatness on Jan 27, 2011 12:09 PM PST reply actions  

Stick with him ...

It would be really foolish to give up on Crabtree at this point in time. Let Harbaugh put in a new offense and better coaching. I should note as a side comment (and this is not necessarily a plug for Troy) but …… I thought when Troy was at QB, he and Crabtree were starting to develop a nice chemistry. Whether it is Troy or another QB other than Alex, I think Crabtree can be a real asset for the Niners.

by Jeff I on Jan 27, 2011 12:12 PM PST reply actions  

Can't Tell about Crabtree yet.

We haven’t had a QB to throw it to him. When he gets more touches regularly, or at least throws to his hands, then we will be able to see. Also, coaching has a whole lot to do with it.

by wellnesscoach on Jan 27, 2011 12:14 PM PST reply actions  

we have no qb

it’s hard to have a wr get a lot of receptions if no one can get him the ball

by 3eyes on Jan 27, 2011 12:19 PM PST reply actions  

I have a reebok Crabtree Shirt...

Let’s just say If I had a choice of another name on the back of the shirt I’d change it. I bought the shirt In Vegas in preparation for his (and the 49ers) break out year. I’m willing to wear it another year. I like his name. I do get the sense he wants to be a Cowboy.

by IRONxMIKE on Jan 27, 2011 12:22 PM PST reply actions  

My biggest knock on Crabtree

Is his attitude. His “swagger” as some might call it just ends up pissing me off. The guy celebrates or makes some sort of stupid gesture after every catch. It aggravates the hell out of me. He needs to act like he’s been there before. I know he’s still young, but his cockiness after every minuscule on the field accomplishment just bugs me. Our team was garbage, they played like garbage, what was there to celebrate about. His immaturity is what bugs me the most

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by Camraman926 on Jan 27, 2011 12:22 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

In his defense;

he didn’t have TONS of oppotunites to make plays so I would assume that when he did, he was excited.

I survived Jim Harbaugh week

by return2greatness on Jan 27, 2011 12:28 PM PST up reply actions  

If he's excited

then he should channel that energy into making more plays, not looking like an idiot after catching a 10 yard pass while down 21pts

"God tells me he can get me out of this mess, but he's pretty sure you're fucked."-Braveheart

by Camraman926 on Jan 27, 2011 12:31 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

How?

Was he supposed to call better plays and then get behind center and throw himself the ball?

Don’t discount the effect that the coaching had on him. There are plenty of players throughout the league that celebrate when they make plays, not just Crabs. If the team is losing, I agree, he shouldn’t be pumping up a first down.. but when you haven’t managed one all game, that first one feels good.

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by return2greatness on Jan 27, 2011 12:34 PM PST up reply actions  

I get where you're going with this

And I agree, It’s not his fault that the QB’s were horrendous, or the coaching was non-existent. But his lack on concentration on the field bugged me, all of the dropped passes, the bad routes, and yes, the stupid celebrations when they were losing. He just aggravates me a ton because we all see so much potential in him, and want him to become that guy, but he just seems to be holding himself back with his immaturity. Its frustrating for all of us

"God tells me he can get me out of this mess, but he's pretty sure you're fucked."-Braveheart

by Camraman926 on Jan 27, 2011 12:42 PM PST up reply actions  

+1

Man, his celebrations after short passes make him look like an idiot.

"The year we beat Miami in the Super Bowl, ... do you know how many defensive linemen were in our rotation? Nine, and we used them all quite a bit. We just wore the Dolphins out."
Bill Walsh quote

by Iupati_like_its_1999 on Jan 27, 2011 12:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I dunno...

I don’t care whether a player celebrates after a play or not. Just doesn’t bother me. I don’t really think it’s that indicative of moral character or anything.

But I don’t think his on field celebrations are what’s “holding” him back. I think the 49ers have had a terrible offense for the past few years, and I think the jury is out on whether Crabs can be a dominant receiver. I’ve seen him make some great catches and put on some pretty serious YAC clinics. I’ve also seen him disappear for games, drop balls he should catch, and give up on plays.

Harbaughcalypse Now

by dutra on Jan 27, 2011 2:47 PM PST up reply actions  

The league

Everybody celebrates now, even DL/CB/LB when they get a sack or stop. This is becoming part of the game. This game is so emotional now more than ever. You can’t tell me that you do not chear when a 3rd down is converted or a TD is scored. No problems off the field and what he said about Alex Smith was not far from the truth. Troy Smith hit the guy in stride and they formed a good repore.

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by chriscream on Jan 27, 2011 12:40 PM PST up reply actions  

I would argue it’s even less now with some of the rules put in place. Yes, players of all positions celebrate after doing something good. If he scores a touchdown, great, celebrate. But I agree with Cam, celebrating after every miniscule catch is ridiculous, and most receivers don’t do that unless it was a big possesion play.

In Jed We Trust?

by jonesin25 on Jan 27, 2011 10:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Rec as I completely agree with your points

Also I might add that he has yet to go through a full Training Camp. He missed the one in his rookie season, and was hurt the second season.

ps I love the sig…

by hudd07 on Jan 27, 2011 12:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I didn't notice

but now that I did, I rec’d

Harbaugh will find a QB and he will succeed.

by goatfather on Jan 28, 2011 8:29 AM PST up reply actions  

This says it all...
Crabtree has not helped himself completely though. He apparently did something in 2010 training camp to piss off VD (who is known as a very hard worker and team leader). Speculation was that he was milking a neck strain, though who knows for sure. He also showed lapses in concentration (e.g.looking upfield before securing the pass, leading to those hated tipped ball INTs). That’s just coaching and considering that most of our staff just turned over, I’d like to think a better staff can unlock Crabtree’s deep potential.

He is never going to be a #1 wide receiver as long as he is still going through that college phase where he is something special and doesn’t have to work.

It was evident last year and it will be more evident in the WCO.

Grueling repetition, insanely hard work, and attention to the tiniest details is what makes a #1 WCO receiver.

His lack of concentration and focus tells you exactly how he practices.

He’s still expecting to get by on raw talent, and our front office should have known it would turn out like that when they drafted the little diva.

Coaches can’t “unlock” potential. Coaches can only spot what techniques you are doing wrong, show you how to correct your mistakes, and use psychology to motivate you.

The player is the one who has to put in the 60+ hour weeks.

If somebody would give me a high second for him, I’d pull that trigger so fast he’d have to watch the film to know what happened.

by Ougadas on Jan 27, 2011 12:55 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

If somebody would give me a high second for him, I’d pull that trigger so fast he’d have to watch the film to know what happened.

LOL I don’t agree, but that was funny as hell.

"The year we beat Miami in the Super Bowl, ... do you know how many defensive linemen were in our rotation? Nine, and we used them all quite a bit. We just wore the Dolphins out."
Bill Walsh quote

by Iupati_like_its_1999 on Jan 27, 2011 12:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Hm

Ok, so he’s not Jerry in terms of his work ethic. Few receivers are and that’s what set Rice apart and why he’s the GOAT. This doesn’t mean we have to trade away Crabtree. That’s how you become the Lions of the NFL; mismanaging your draft picks and not putting them in an environment to succeed.

I think Crabtree wants to win and his “diva” rep is not deserved. He strikes me as an introverted loner type (based upon his coach’s radio interview right after the 2009 draft). Those people can come off as arrogant when really they are a little bit socially off. Put another way, if Crabtree were a diva, don’t you think he would have pulled a TO and said that Smith sucked, that Singletary’s offense was retarded, and that he was not getting the ball enough?

Coaches can unlock potential by precisely what you said. Spotting technique problems, motivating the player, activating the competitive desire in the psyche, etc. Everyone probably remembers their favorite teacher in school. That person is remembered in part because that teacher unlocked your psyche and gave you reason to learn the subject and really excel at it. Coaching is the same way.

Jim Harbaugh doesn't just WANT winners, he MAKES them!

by Adusoron on Jan 27, 2011 1:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Crab's actually has good work ethic from what I've heard

I think he is entitled which is why he thought he didn’t ahve to play in preseason, but I don’t doubt his work ethic.

by hudd07 on Jan 27, 2011 1:52 PM PST up reply actions  

+1

From what I remembered learning about him was his work ethic. The new coaching staff will unleash his potential.

by mrb24 on Jan 27, 2011 4:29 PM PST up reply actions  

trade?

What the heck man, trade him? He’s been here 2 years, and didn’t light it up, but who the heck would with the smith’s at QB. What is with this rush to trade people away, even when they have shown some flashes. If he’s worth a high second KEEP THE MAN. Draft picks don’t make a team, players do, and he hasn’t done poorly, he just hasn’t shined. And THAT is more a product of his coach and QB. Geez peeps, slow it down a bit……trade……psht.

PLEASE get McFadden out of Oakland. The pain is more than I can handle. Oakland, where careers go to die.

by Arkie49er on Jan 27, 2011 1:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Coaches can’t "unlock" potential. Coaches can only spot what techniques you are doing wrong, show you how to correct your mistakes, and use psychology to motivate you.

That’s what unlocking your potential means. If someone has potential, but is doing something wrong, or isn’t motivated and the coach can fix their technique, and get them hungry, and they play better, then they absolutely unlocked his potential.

by hudd07 on Jan 27, 2011 1:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Dance around it all you want..

But coaches even at the high school level can point out technique issues, show a guy how to do it right, and say “you can do it”.

“Unlocking potential” is a bs talking head term that means absolutely nothing.

But lets say that it isn’t for the sake of the point.. you know what I think would really unlock potential?

Caring.

Caring enough to work at getting better. Caring enough to know the routes the quarterback is calling. Caring enough to practice running routes until they aren’t so sloppy. Caring enough to work with even a bad QB until you can get some timing down.

Crabs clearly doesn’t.

The uncomfortable truth is we jumped on a pre-draft hype train and thought we were getting a much better player than we actually did.

by Ougadas on Jan 27, 2011 2:28 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I hope you're wrong.

I believe that you are wrong. But I do understand why you would think that. This is a make or break year for Crabtree.

"The year we beat Miami in the Super Bowl, ... do you know how many defensive linemen were in our rotation? Nine, and we used them all quite a bit. We just wore the Dolphins out."
Bill Walsh quote

by Iupati_like_its_1999 on Jan 27, 2011 2:33 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't know what you're basing your opinion on.

I mean, I just don’t understand how you can say he “clearly” doesn’t care about getting better. Do you know something the rest of us don’t?

Harbaughcalypse Now

by dutra on Jan 27, 2011 2:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm with you here

Crabs obviously cares because from all accounts he has a great work ethic. You don’t not care about something but then work your tail off.

I think Crabs is a spoiled, entitled brat. I think he already feels entitled even though he hasn’t proven anything.

I absolutely feel like he cares though. He just wouldn’t have the work ethic that he has if he didn’t.

by hudd07 on Jan 27, 2011 2:59 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t think there is enough evidence from the fan perspective to say he care’s or not. But it is the little things, the perception is reality part that I think people base their opinion from. Some of the dropped balls, sitting out the entire camp, his hold out, etc.

In Jed We Trust?

by jonesin25 on Jan 27, 2011 10:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Both here and above you make some very good points.

I’m certainly not ready to trade the guy … yet. But I have to say that I have been very disappointed in Crabtree. I certainly agreed with VD’s apparent take on Crabs standing around watching when he could have been working. That smacks of a primadonna attitude and believing that you can get by on talent alone without putting in the work. I’ll buy the fact that, like many of other guys, Crabs has been saddled with a antique offensive scheme and gotten less-that-the-best coaching, but scheme isn’t responsible for dropped passes and deflections for INTs. That’s a lack of concentration … that’s on Crabs, not the scheme or the coaches. The bottom line for me is that, in his first two years, he HAS NOT performed to the level expected of a top-10 draft choice. When drafted this year, if Green performs at Crab’s level the fans of his team will be up in arms too. Crabs needs to decide whether he wants to be great of not; if so, he needs to drop the attitude, get with the team, and start working a lot harder. If he doesn’t care, then I’m all for trading him and getting somebody who wants to excell. This is the year when that decision must be made.

by 49erFanSince1950 on Jan 27, 2011 4:34 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't get how you can say he "clearly doesn't" care.

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by mikeinsp on Jan 27, 2011 6:41 PM PST up reply actions  

You play on Sunday...

How you practiced during the week.

Doesn’t know the routes, isn’t focused on his execution, runs sloppy routes.

I’ve never seen a practice, but I can tell you without hesitation that he coasts through it and has the attitude that his raw talent is enough.

I’d love to exchange him for a high 2nd, but he doesn’t even have 3rd round value right now.

He will be on the roster next year. Never draft a diva.

by Ougadas on Jan 28, 2011 5:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Did you also say you would trade Vernon after his first two years or what?

by PartyStarter on Jan 27, 2011 2:08 PM PST up reply actions  

If I remember correctly

There were quite a lot of people saying that. Fools I say.

In Jed We Trust?

by jonesin25 on Jan 27, 2011 10:47 PM PST up reply actions  

There is no doubt, that his neck "ouchy" was the reason he didn't practice.

Can’t wait for him to go to Harbaugh and say..

CRABS: Coach, My neck hurts, im not playing.

HARBS: What’s your deal, son?!?

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by Iupati_like_its_1999 on Jan 27, 2011 12:55 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

That's all that happens?

I was hoping for a bigger script.

In Jed We Trust?

by jonesin25 on Jan 27, 2011 10:49 PM PST up reply actions  

i look to his efforts blocking for gore

and with a full training camp he should emerge as a valid threat in harbaughs offense. the only player i want gone is bubba paris’s kid chiloh rachael. we as fans need to temper our enthusiasm and let the coachs do their job. just the structure that JH has put in place is encouraging to me, and the quality and relatively short turnaround on his staff is great.

by tjhtjh on Jan 27, 2011 1:28 PM PST up reply actions  

exactly

I’d say 700+yards in an offense that runs first and passes to VD later is pretty dang good. In a passing offense, I think he’ll take off.

PLEASE get McFadden out of Oakland. The pain is more than I can handle. Oakland, where careers go to die.

by Arkie49er on Jan 27, 2011 1:51 PM PST up reply actions  

let's get crabs

a full off-season with a full training camp, and a real quarterback, with a real offense, and then we can judge him

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by wjackalope on Jan 27, 2011 12:25 PM PST reply actions  

Anyone who thinks

Crabtree needs to get traded should be shot in a firing line. This guy has so much potential it’s ridiculous. He will turn into a #1 receiver, it will take some time. He’s really only had one full season of play and one training camp to hone his skills. We all saw what he did with half a season and no training camp his rookie year. Why trade a guy like that? Keep him, re-sign him when his contract is up.

by Shaddix55 on Jan 27, 2011 12:27 PM PST reply actions  

jshoot me, hes a douche. The TO type without the ability or work ethic, hes overconfident.

I’d only trade him if we could snag Green @ 7 and trade him to the cowboys for their first, then it would make plenty since. I wanted to pass on him to have a shot at Bryant, well, I wasn’t wrong.

Don't make me "JEEBUS" you!!!!

by rlott#42 on Jan 27, 2011 12:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Anyone who disagrees with us should get shot???

Those are the type of remarks that disgust me. So we should all be sheep and follow the leader and not have any opinions that differ from the majority. Ridiculous.

"The year we beat Miami in the Super Bowl, ... do you know how many defensive linemen were in our rotation? Nine, and we used them all quite a bit. We just wore the Dolphins out."
Bill Walsh quote

by Iupati_like_its_1999 on Jan 27, 2011 12:35 PM PST up reply actions  

No

but the people that give up on a guy after a season and a half, it’s pretty insane. He hasn’t even had the chance to blossom yet and guys already want him traded away. GIve the guy a shot.

by Shaddix55 on Jan 27, 2011 12:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't like his attitude

But I agree with you, it’s too soon to talk trade. I have a feeling that Harbaugh will work him harder than ever before. I think Singletary was too lenient on the kid. Don’t see harbs making that mistake. Also, two things will come out of this. Either he will sulk and demand a trade. Or he will become an elite wide receiver.

"The year we beat Miami in the Super Bowl, ... do you know how many defensive linemen were in our rotation? Nine, and we used them all quite a bit. We just wore the Dolphins out."
Bill Walsh quote

by Iupati_like_its_1999 on Jan 27, 2011 12:58 PM PST up reply actions  

I didn’t give up, there is enough for me to not like. At the point his numbers jump, he’ll be a holdout, he’s a douche, and a problem waiting to happen. He got lazy in the off-season and can’t outrun linebackers. Cowboys would give up their first for him. If we got out of the first round with B Harris and AJ Green, Crabtree will surely not be missed.

Don't make me "JEEBUS" you!!!!

by rlott#42 on Jan 27, 2011 3:40 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t think the Cowboys would give up much for him anymore. Not after getting Bryant last year, who is clearly better.

In Jed We Trust?

by jonesin25 on Jan 27, 2011 10:52 PM PST up reply actions  

BANG!

It's Whore-baugh, remember?

by bignerd on Jan 27, 2011 7:15 PM PST up reply actions  

yes crabbaby has created himself the reasons why he has not developed during preseason....

this time next year you will all be saying that we should keep him another year because the CBA didnt allow him to get a full pre-season in or he had a sub-par QB….

just ship him to Dallas already… he is the type of player I would love to hate on that team…

by thatguywiththebeardandthebanjo on Jan 27, 2011 4:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Crabtree??

i too think its the crappy QB play that has Crabtree not performing as he did in College!!! He has hadd 2 defensive minded coaches and too many offensive coordinators to get use too anything…………kind of like Alex Smith!!! Look, Smith has his faults, But you try working with something that keeps changing by the minute!!!!! I didn’t think that either of the last two coaches were good hires at the time and over time I was proven right!!!!!!! I would have hired Mc Carthy when i had the chance and lookk where we could have been? At least closer to the superbowl than we are now!!! Who knows if we would have drafted Rodgers instead of Smith where would we be now?? Getting back to the offensive minded Coaches that we have now, watch what happens we you use your tools that you have in place and maybe add a vetran QB. You will see the contiuity that we haven’t had in SF since when Coach Marriuci was here in 2002 season………….oh by the way that was the last time we were in post season…………SMOOTH MOVE YORKS!!!!!!!

by slammin on Jan 27, 2011 12:36 PM PST reply actions  

Lets move past the mistakes

and focus on now. Yes, your reasoning is correct, but please we dont need Captain Hindsight and his sidekicks shoulda coulda and woulda.

"The year we beat Miami in the Super Bowl, ... do you know how many defensive linemen were in our rotation? Nine, and we used them all quite a bit. We just wore the Dolphins out."
Bill Walsh quote

by Iupati_like_its_1999 on Jan 27, 2011 1:01 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

+1

lol

I survived Jim Harbaugh week

by return2greatness on Jan 27, 2011 1:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I Think

a lot of 49er players were upset about the offense and lack of a scheme, Crabtree was not alone in that. The fact that he didn’t publicy critisize it shows some maturity.

In regards to his play. Doesn’t a lot of that have to do with QB play. It isn’t like either Smith was looking and throwing Crabs way without success. I saw long spans of time that Alex, especially, didn’t look Crabs way. It could be that he wasn’t getting separation, but i think most of it had to do with Smith’s inability to get past his first and second reads.

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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jan 27, 2011 12:41 PM PST reply actions  

I agree that it was probably Alex's inability to get past 1st and 2nd reads

Most likely because he stares down receivers and also because he didn’t have a lot of time in the pocket.

I also think it could be a trust factor and lack of confidence as well. A lot of Smith’s INTs were to Crabs this year, and I think that could have affected Smith a little. Not to mention, the short pass over the middle that Crab’s runs, and Smith tries to throw 100 mph is not his strength.

by hudd07 on Jan 27, 2011 12:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Maturity my butt.

"Mike Johnson did his thing. He did what he was supposed to do. He got everybody the ball. Only thing is, Mike Johnson can’t throw the ball. He can just call plays."

This was in October by the way. He is not mature. Thats just a fact.

"The year we beat Miami in the Super Bowl, ... do you know how many defensive linemen were in our rotation? Nine, and we used them all quite a bit. We just wore the Dolphins out."
Bill Walsh quote

by Iupati_like_its_1999 on Jan 27, 2011 12:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Dude

i said he is maturing. Of course he isn’t fully mature yet. Some people seem to forget that Crabtree still is only 23 years old.

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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jan 27, 2011 12:56 PM PST up reply actions  

i just pointed out

that you said he didn’t criticize Alex, when he did.

"The year we beat Miami in the Super Bowl, ... do you know how many defensive linemen were in our rotation? Nine, and we used them all quite a bit. We just wore the Dolphins out."
Bill Walsh quote

by Iupati_like_its_1999 on Jan 27, 2011 1:01 PM PST up reply actions  

What’s wrong with that comment…

by PartyStarter on Jan 27, 2011 2:11 PM PST up reply actions  

dont trade him but...

I see why people are sick of him. Look, if Frank Gore was inactive during training camp I would completely understand. He is29, and has proven himself from his first year with the niners to the last. A VETERAN deserves that kind of treatment because they have earned it.
What in the world has Crabtree proven? He came to the team late in his rookie season over money? He dropped passes that we all know any legit wide receiver would have made. Why should we be lenient on him? Was Vernon Davis taking days off during training camp? I think he’s earned it way more than Crabtree has. Oh, and by the way, I’m happy that he was called out for acting like a prima donna when the rest of the team is working their butt’s off. I’m not giving up on the kid, but its ok to call him out on his bs.

"The year we beat Miami in the Super Bowl, ... do you know how many defensive linemen were in our rotation? Nine, and we used them all quite a bit. We just wore the Dolphins out."
Bill Walsh quote

by Iupati_like_its_1999 on Jan 27, 2011 12:42 PM PST reply actions  

Well said

I concur

On a side note, I wanted Orakpo sooooooooooooo bad, lol

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by Camraman926 on Jan 27, 2011 12:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I remember

Singletary saying he was one of the hardest workers he has seen in OTA’s etc… Especially, when he came in after the holdout. Him being inactive for the pre-season could of had as much to do with the coaching staff not wanting to play him, as it had to do with Crabs not wanting to play. There are a lot of things going on behind the scenes that we do not know about. Also, the 49ers sat most of their 1st teamers this pre-season, and i had a major issue with that.

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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jan 27, 2011 12:53 PM PST up reply actions  

We were told

that he had a neck strain. Im going by facts and not speculation. And if the coaches wanted it that way, I doubt Vernon would have gone berserk the way he did.

"The year we beat Miami in the Super Bowl, ... do you know how many defensive linemen were in our rotation? Nine, and we used them all quite a bit. We just wore the Dolphins out."
Bill Walsh quote

by Iupati_like_its_1999 on Jan 27, 2011 1:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed

Nobody here can doubt his work ethic when a guy such as Singletary who was known to have a GREAT work ethic says Crabs is working his tail off.

I absolutely think Crab’s issue is that he thinks he is entitled. He needs to become a little more grounded.

by hudd07 on Jan 27, 2011 1:56 PM PST up reply actions  

yep

Trust me, I have no idea either.
Nitwitter

by Tre9er on Jan 27, 2011 1:34 PM PST up reply actions  

yup. 27 is the correct age.

"The year we beat Miami in the Super Bowl, ... do you know how many defensive linemen were in our rotation? Nine, and we used them all quite a bit. We just wore the Dolphins out."
Bill Walsh quote

by Iupati_like_its_1999 on Jan 27, 2011 1:35 PM PST up reply actions  

+27

why cant people get this right???

Height: 5-9 Weight: 217 Age: 27. Born: 5/14/1983 Miami

Everyone seem to think he is 30 on this site

by thatguywiththebeardandthebanjo on Jan 27, 2011 4:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Hell yeah we keep him

And why not add Julio Jones to roster as well. He makes QB better. I would go sooooo crazy if we traded down to get him before the Rams. Two playmakers and coach up a rookie for the future equal a great offensive show. I know this is only a dream.

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by chriscream on Jan 27, 2011 12:42 PM PST reply actions  

I'm with you here

I think we get a big playmaker on the outside, it changes this team. Obviously we need a QB but man Jones or Green would be legit.

I think a trade for a Kolb, Orton, etc…then a dynamic WR, OLB and CB and this team is SCARY

by hudd07 on Jan 27, 2011 12:49 PM PST up reply actions  

we don't have speed on the outside, that's for sure

not elite speed…we need a burner who can catch the ball once or twice a game and take the lid off. Ginn didn’t show he could do that yet but maybe harbaugh can get it out of him

Trust me, I have no idea either.
Nitwitter

by Tre9er on Jan 27, 2011 1:35 PM PST up reply actions  

I think Ginn is exactly that guy

He can make one or two catches a game, we just have to call that play and actually get him the ball. Ginn really didn’t have many chances this year to do that. It’s not like he was dropping the ball left and right.

I’m hoping for VJax. I doubt it happens, but man oh man.

by hudd07 on Jan 27, 2011 1:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Ginn is horrible when the ball is in the air though

and he’ll never win a battle for it or get in better position if he doesn’t hve the DB beaten by a good bit…still, I’m crossing my fingers.

Trust me, I have no idea either.
Nitwitter

by Tre9er on Jan 27, 2011 2:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think so. It costs us a 5th round pick

Which Miami promptly used on a CB named Nolan Carroll. Would you rather have Ginn, or Carroll?

You guys might know Nolan Carroll as the guy Sal Alosi tripped on the sidelines.

by hudd07 on Jan 27, 2011 3:04 PM PST up reply actions  

no

We need a burner that can catch 70-80 balls a year consistently.

Don't make me "JEEBUS" you!!!!

by rlott#42 on Jan 27, 2011 3:46 PM PST up reply actions  

waaaaaay tooo early to write off CRABS..

like adusuron stated above, 3rd year is the year receivers come into their own….no way you draft a guy that high, pay him that much money and trade him away because you don’t like his passion….yeah he does some things at times and has caused me to yell at my television one too many times but he is a special talent and he’s property of the 49ers, MY 49ers and he will show this upcoming season EXACTLY WHY he was thought of so HIGHLY by SO MANY..

by MUAJxxCEEM on Jan 27, 2011 12:44 PM PST reply actions  

Exactly

I think if we get an accurate QB in here, Crabtree will explode. The WCO fits Crabtree perfectly. His strengths with the Red Raiders was taking a 4 yard pass and turning it into a 30,40, or 50 yard play. Get him the QB, and watch him grow.

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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jan 27, 2011 12:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually..

it doesn’t.

He’s good after the catch, but his route running precision is poor and he gets very little separation on his sloppy cuts because of it.

He has the talent to be a #1 in any system, but poor work ethic ruins more talent than injury.

Maybe I’m being harsh on him.. maybe I want Jerry Rice back now that we’re going to be running the WCO again… or maybe I’m just right. Who knows.

I hope he blows up and proves me wrong, but I have a feeling I’m going to disappoint myself by being right.

by Ougadas on Jan 27, 2011 1:00 PM PST up reply actions  

his route running isn't totally poor

his knowledge of depth, spacing, angles, etc. might be lacking but the kid can plant his foot and head-fake pretty darn well. He DID show that he needs to work on consistency with routes though evidenced by running wrong routes and not making cuts at proper depth/angles at times.

Trust me, I have no idea either.
Nitwitter

by Tre9er on Jan 27, 2011 1:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Head fakes are wasted movement.

If a CB is so bad that he bites on a head fake at the NFL level.. don’t bother, just run past him.

Even in middle school.. coaches beat into your head.. the hands lie, the arms lie, the eyes lie, the head lies, the feet lie.. but the hips never lie.

You’ll never see a guy with his hips pointed one way while he’s running another.

by Ougadas on Jan 27, 2011 2:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I wish Mr. Rice could act as some sort of mentor. I heard somewhere he was willing to.

by Chomp On This on Jan 27, 2011 4:05 PM PST up reply actions  

In college

He has hardly been an open field runner in the pros. Even after a good move he only gets an extra 5-10 yards because he’s too slow.

It's Whore-baugh, remember?

by bignerd on Jan 27, 2011 7:21 PM PST up reply actions  

STOP

STOP with the QB garbage. The 9ers problems are the result of abysmal coaching!

by 49er faithful on Jan 27, 2011 12:53 PM PST reply actions  

Wait a second

You don’t think that Crabtree would of had a better season if Palmer or Orton was throwing to him. That was the point i was making

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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jan 27, 2011 12:54 PM PST up reply actions  

He would be better. He has all the tools.

My problem with him is his attitude and, at times, his work ethic.

"The year we beat Miami in the Super Bowl, ... do you know how many defensive linemen were in our rotation? Nine, and we used them all quite a bit. We just wore the Dolphins out."
Bill Walsh quote

by Iupati_like_its_1999 on Jan 27, 2011 1:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Trade?

trade to Dallas for Dez Bryant? just an idea, i still think Crabtree can be good in a real offense

by superburrito on Jan 27, 2011 12:56 PM PST reply actions  

Why would Dallas do that?

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by nocal81(Vincent) on Jan 27, 2011 12:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Dallas is in love with Dez

Although did you guys here the rumor that he could be on the block this year? Supposedly Garrett isn’t terribly enamored by his attitude and what he has gotten away with.

by hudd07 on Jan 27, 2011 1:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes, I have heard thus rumor

From.cowboys fans, but they said it wouldnt happen because Jerrah is in love this guy

by EcERyda69 on Jan 27, 2011 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I think a ex WR maybe Clayton said that Bryant get's away with too much junk there

Then a reporter asked a top level guy with Cowboys if they would trade him due to it and the guy said it’s possible.

by hudd07 on Jan 27, 2011 3:05 PM PST up reply actions  

My biggest problem with Crabs

although he does disappear at times, probably due to double coverage, but bigger then that, he does not seem to be a good route runner. You could see Smith agonizing at times using his hands in the air showing that Crabs went the wrong way on routes!!! Then the switch from Alex to Troy and you see Troy doing the same thing usually directed at Crabs!!! Now the rest of the WR crew was not any better, but Morgan seem to catch almost everything except when he was “hearing” footsteps but this was mostly due to Troy hanging him out to dry on his jumpball passes.
All things being equal, last year was a wash… both Crabs and Alex deserve another year and a chance to work with a good coaching staff in a real NFL offense, and Harbaughs WCO could be the magic needed for both including VD too, to really blossom into the talents we expected when & where they were drafted.

by NorCalFaithful on Jan 27, 2011 12:56 PM PST reply actions  

well said. His route running at times is questionable.

But I think the new coaching staff will either find a new wide receiver, or Teach Crabtree how to be a professional and be an elite wide receiver.

"The year we beat Miami in the Super Bowl, ... do you know how many defensive linemen were in our rotation? Nine, and we used them all quite a bit. We just wore the Dolphins out."
Bill Walsh quote

by Iupati_like_its_1999 on Jan 27, 2011 1:05 PM PST up reply actions  

I noticed the same thing

Wait and see if Harbaugh/staff and Crabtree can work together to correct this.

by MinerNiner on Jan 27, 2011 1:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Route Running

I haven’t seen enough tape of him running routes but that seems to be the biggest knock on Crabs and other young receivers. He doesn’t have the speed to go deep or jump over cb’s like stated above. Real question is would you trade him for say Jimmy Smith? We could trade him for any early second round pick this year (#34Bills, #35Bengals, #37Browns)and get Jimmy Smith with that pick. Frees us up to get a pass rushing OLB or AJ Green if he fell with #7. We would still have #45 to address immediate needs like a pass rusher or WR if Green didn’t drop. Remember if we can sign free agents at a decent time this year there are plenty of WR out there (Vincent Jackson, Santonio Holmes, Sidney Rice, Steve Smith/NY, Breaston)

by Derek R. on Jan 27, 2011 1:08 PM PST reply actions  

:yawn:

Bite my shiny metal sig

by drummer on Jan 27, 2011 1:22 PM PST reply actions  

why?

Don't make me "JEEBUS" you!!!!

by rlott#42 on Jan 27, 2011 3:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Because Crabtree isn't a #1 WR IMO..

and the 49ers should go out and find a real #1 FA WR.

Bite my shiny metal sig

by drummer on Jan 27, 2011 4:15 PM PST up reply actions  

+1

It's Whore-baugh, remember?

by bignerd on Jan 27, 2011 7:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Wanna draft Blackmon in the first round next year?

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by manraj7 on Jan 27, 2011 7:27 PM PST up reply actions  

+100

Blackmon is gonna be a real beast. A Brandon Marshall with a vertical threat.

It's Whore-baugh, remember?

by bignerd on Jan 27, 2011 7:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Then when are we going to draft a QB.

I need two 1st round picks.

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by manraj7 on Jan 27, 2011 10:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Trading him now makes no sense.

At no point in his career has he been put in a situation that plays to his strengths. He is a RAC guy. You get him the ball inside 10 yards and let him make plays with the ball in his hands. His game is built for the WCO offense, short timing routes and slants.

Furthermore his trade value has never been lower. Is anyone out there advocating trading Crabs AND signing Namdi? If so, take a step back and ask yourself why you are attempting to sell low on one asset while purchasing another at the peak of it’s value. PROTIP: Not good for business.

by 9isEnough on Jan 27, 2011 1:24 PM PST reply actions  

Problem with this...

is his route running weaknesses prevent him from playing to his strength.

Unless the defense falls down or blows a coverage, he doesn’t run sharp enough routes to get separation for consisted RAC.

In college he could do it with speed. Welcome to the NFL where everyone is fast.

Of course… first you have to run the right route..

by Ougadas on Jan 27, 2011 2:48 PM PST up reply actions  

roddy white

had 446 rookie and 506 yards first and second year

crabtree 625 and 741 1st and 2nd year

roddy white played full season

crabs is fine.

secondly I think alex likes to throw to morgan over crabtree and this is depressing his numbers.

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 27, 2011 1:37 PM PST reply actions  

are we going to have a discussion about this guy?

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 27, 2011 1:43 PM PST reply actions  

are we going to have a discussion about this guy?

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 27, 2011 1:43 PM PST reply actions  

Crab's here to stay

Let’s give him a couple years under Harbaugh before we really get into the discussion of trading him. I like the kid and when he has the ball, he’s very elusive. I’d like to see how he does with an accurate QB

by NinerSinceBirth on Jan 27, 2011 1:52 PM PST reply actions  

Crabtree has done nothing to warrant being traded!

He has one knock and that is the camp injury! Honestly maybe he was one of the kids scared to be yelled at by their coach constantly. As was stated earlier the guy doesn;t really seem like an outgoing person! I have seen some great plays from the kid and some really bone head ones that is just part of growing. Vernon Davis was way more of a Diva then Crabs has ever been and also made some bone head plays of his own in his career and look how he turned out. I say that we worry less about our WR and worry more about, QB RB and FB for the WCO. In the WCO those are crucial, look how many times Philly made just the playoffs and there only 1,000 yard receiver was Westbrook! Philly had year in and year out of nobody receivers and they were still getting there. I’m just saying we need to draft a rounded FB and a scat back or find them in FA and Kolb,Flynn and Johnson are all RFA’s I think. SO depending on the new CBA QB options will be available.

by MikeDv on Jan 27, 2011 2:20 PM PST reply actions  

Keep Crabtree

Throw the ball his way a couple times every drive. He is hard to cover and his hands are made of glue if the ball is out in front, where it should be.

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by Pat Willie on Jan 27, 2011 2:50 PM PST reply actions  

You mean when the ball is behind him?

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by manraj7 on Jan 27, 2011 4:30 PM PST up reply actions  

w/e,

a good reciever makes his QB look good, even when the ball is behind him. there’s no excuse for missed routes and tipped interceptions.

by Rhombus on Jan 27, 2011 4:35 PM PST up reply actions  

single handly? When did Crabtree start to throw the ball?

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by manraj7 on Jan 27, 2011 5:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I guess we should cut Gore too he had tipped a couple of passes for INT.

and 4? Can you please tell me the 4 INT.

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by manraj7 on Jan 27, 2011 5:26 PM PST up reply actions  

2 against Seattle first game of the season...also

Chiefs
Sep 26, 2010 – Smith tried to hit Crabtree on a third-and-4 play early in the second quarter, but the quarterback and receiver crossed signals. The pass overshot Crabtree and wound up in the hands of Brandon Flowers for an interception

Oct 16, 2010 -1 Against the eagles

Oct 24, 2010 – 1 against Carolina

Dec 26, 2010 – Oshiomogho Atogwe #21 of the St. Louis Rams returns an interception against Michael Crabtree #15

kind of hard to find details on this stuff… I am pretty sure there are more…

by thatguywiththebeardandthebanjo on Jan 27, 2011 5:59 PM PST up reply actions  

No, you did fine finding information

I saw all those games, Crabtree was definatly struggling along with the rest of the team.

Most of the passes Crabtree didn’t catch were behind him. I think it would be nice if he caught them anyway, he should work on that. Good coaching can get him there.

He also has good body control and movement that allows him to out manuveur people and trick them into turning the wrong way. He will only learn more ways to use that as he gets better.

Crabtree’s hands are the best I’ve ever seen as far as grabbing the ball out of the air. It’s really actually impressive if you watch him. He does need the ball to be in the right area.

My only concern is does he have the balls to take big hits from linebackers going for the ball, and can his frame keep him healthy.

Crabtree hasn’t come close to his full potential, We would be absolute idiots to let him go now. It would be like selling Apple stock in the 70’s. They were just getting started.

I’m not judging anyone from how this last season went, you go ahead. It was a disaster all the way around. I think the best way to evaluate these guys is leave out 2010 and judge from previous performance and future potential.

It's about having the kind of faith that makes all the "what if's" irrelevant - Jim Harbaugh 2011

by Pat Willie on Jan 27, 2011 6:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I've always thought of Crabtree as a Randy Moss attitude without Randy Moss talent.

You might say that poor QB play has affected his performance, but I think it was a give and take situation where poor QB performance was exaggerated by his route-running and subpar effort. Throw in a new QB and his attitude will likely change, as will the numbers. But trading him now will do nothing: he’s worth very little, and his trade value can only improve. If we eventually do trade him, let’s not do it right after a bad season.

by Rhombus on Jan 27, 2011 3:00 PM PST reply actions  

Well okay, the Randy Moss thing is an exaggeration, but the point remains;

he shouldn’t complain about poor QB play when he hasn’t been performing well either.

by Rhombus on Jan 27, 2011 3:01 PM PST up reply actions  

did Crabtree complain about poor QB? not that I heard of

who said Crabtree has a poor attitude? Besides VD who isn’t the last word about good attitudes. No one who matters

why would we trade Crabtree and who do we get for him? We wouldn’t; nobody as good as Crabtree

Is this a good article about a good idea for the 49ers? No

It's about having the kind of faith that makes all the "what if's" irrelevant - Jim Harbaugh 2011

by Pat Willie on Jan 27, 2011 3:30 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah he complained.

Don't make me "JEEBUS" you!!!!

by rlott#42 on Jan 27, 2011 3:51 PM PST up reply actions  

don’t get me started, I have so many complaints

It's about having the kind of faith that makes all the "what if's" irrelevant - Jim Harbaugh 2011

by Pat Willie on Jan 27, 2011 6:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Crabtree will be fine.

No need to trade crabtree. Yea he hasnt put up great #1 WR numbers but really his stats have been pretty decent especially with our run first attitude and our QB carousel and not to mention VD is our #1 guy. I think Harbaugh, a new QB and scheme will make him better.

How long was it when people might of been asking for VD to be traded? He had a horrible attitude and didnt produce much until singletary got his hands on him.

by h0ckeysk83r on Jan 27, 2011 3:23 PM PST reply actions  

Rumors of the demise of Crab's popularity in NN has been greatly exaggerated

I hope Fooch is now convinced of that!

Crabs can be a #1 receiver. I believe he will be one with the Niners.

I have no problem with his attitude. Like most of the Niners offense, he did not buy into the misguided Singletarian offensive philosophy. Receivers tend to be a little more temperamental by nature (don’t folks recall Rice pouting and walking back and forth angrily on the sidelines when he didn’t get the ball as often as he though he should have?).

Crabs avoided getting into arguments with Sing, but I think that much of his body language that is being interpreted by naysayers as diva-like was merely his way of expressing disapproval of the offensive schemes.

Hel’ll be fine next year with a thousand yards and 10+ TDs.

by Mood_Indigo on Jan 27, 2011 3:35 PM PST reply actions  

Crabtree can be great or he can be a mini TO. If Greens there at 7, Crabtree will hit the block immediately…….

Don't make me "JEEBUS" you!!!!

by rlott#42 on Jan 27, 2011 3:52 PM PST reply actions  

Off the subject real quik,why don't we have a gaming section in this long-off season

whether its xbox 360 like me or playstation 3 or even PC or Wii its a loooonng off-season and games brings people together n help burn of some days at least with me it does.Again im not trying to change what they do on NN i love the site im just trying to bring something new in the off-season???

by Jayubb415rebirth on Jan 27, 2011 3:59 PM PST reply actions  

If I could get a Top 15 pick this year he is gone...

I think it is likely that he will be worth less next year first of all because I think he sucks and dont see him developing and second of all it is likely we are going to have sub-par quarterbacking this year which will not help his value… unfortunately, no CBA, no trade for picks…

I really do hope he developes if we keep him, but it doesnt seem as if he challenges himself to get better or has a never quit attitude…

What players would people be interested in targeting on Dallas if Jerry would want to trade for him???

by thatguywiththebeardandthebanjo on Jan 27, 2011 4:08 PM PST reply actions  

The problem with Crabtree is that he was drafted as a #1

and he’s not. He can be a good #2 or maybe a good slot receiver, but he doesn’t have the physical tools to be THE #1 guy . Wheels are not an option at #1 in todays game, end of story!

by mensa on Jan 27, 2011 4:51 PM PST reply actions  

Umm speed isn't crucial.

Route running is.

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by manraj7 on Jan 27, 2011 4:59 PM PST up reply actions  

I need to post the spreadsheet on google docs and share it.

If you have a WR that runs a 4.5 against a CB that runs a 4.3, and by running a crisp route manages to get 3 yards of separation, the WR can run 43 yards before the CB can get within 1 yard of him.

Thats 43 yards to make up 2 yards of a 3 yard separation with two tenths of a second difference in 40 time.

by Ougadas on Jan 28, 2011 5:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Jerry Rice didn't have blazing speed.

Andre Johnson doesn’t have blazing speed.
Wes Welker doesn’t have blazing speed.
Ginn does have blazing speed and he is always open so I guess you are right.

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Katie Mcgrath is our savior
my dog <3

by manraj7 on Jan 27, 2011 5:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Jerry Rice had good speed

He never ran the 40 yard dash well.

It's Whore-baugh, remember?

by bignerd on Jan 27, 2011 7:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Wasn't a burner by any measure

Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
my dog <3

by manraj7 on Jan 27, 2011 10:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Okay, it's a small sample size: namely, 1

But after he made that catch against Chicago in his rookie season, over the middle, where he beat his man on a nice route and Alex threw a horrible duck to him that he somehow adjusted to in full stride, caught low near his knees in this horribly awkward and off-balance way, and still managed to keep going full speed to the end zone with a DB on his tail, I thought, okay, this guy has it. Will we see it on a consistent basis? Dunno. But he has it in him.

by BlueInTheFace on Jan 27, 2011 5:00 PM PST reply actions  

HELLOOO!????

Let’s find our playmakers a quarterback. Remember, a qb makes everyone better. Look at Larry Fitzgerald, a pro bowler who had no qb.

by Abe Lopez on Jan 27, 2011 5:05 PM PST reply actions  

I'd rather..

Fitz @ #1, Crabs @ #2. Fitz, Crabs, VD would be awesome.

Bite my shiny metal sig

by drummer on Jan 27, 2011 6:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Fitz #1 and Moran Norris#2 is still good

by mcwagner on Jan 27, 2011 9:00 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

LOL

I dunno it kind of counteracts each other.

Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
my dog <3

by manraj7 on Jan 27, 2011 10:22 PM PST up reply actions  

he's made for the wco

Once he’s put into the right offense with some good players and coaches around him he will thrive. I can picture him running slants and getting yac for days. Give him time

by Azemika15 on Jan 27, 2011 6:06 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Or a bar

It's about having the kind of faith that makes all the "what if's" irrelevant - Jim Harbaugh 2011

by Pat Willie on Jan 27, 2011 6:19 PM PST up reply actions  

A pole, bar, and a stripper...

we already have VD and Crabs. And mcwagner.

Bite my shiny metal sig

by drummer on Jan 27, 2011 6:23 PM PST up reply actions  

*cries at your insensitivity

by mcwagner on Jan 27, 2011 9:58 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Crabtree will be a #1

next year you watch, Harbaugh will use the WCO to get maximum production out of crabs and he will be a pro bowler one day mark my words

by 49erEmpire on Jan 27, 2011 6:58 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Trade him while the team can still get a 1st round pick for him

He’s not that fast, he’s not that big, he is a technician but not that good of a technician. A real technician would have developed chemistry with his QB when he had the chance. Instead Crabtree went into the season content with not having a rapport with Alex Smith and it never did develop, that’s Crabtree’s fault. Jerry would have been draped all over Alex during the offseason like white on rice … umm rice on white.

I’d trade him for a 1st round pick. Use the pick to get a WR that is bigger, faster and doesn’t have such a question mark over his dedication. You know, everything I said two years ago. Oher should have been pick. Would of freed the 49ers to select Dez Bryant last season who they really liked.

It's Whore-baugh, remember?

by bignerd on Jan 27, 2011 7:37 PM PST reply actions  

watch wen he kills the wr game most going to b eating there wrds

Look how many times crabs was targeted an that tells u the season an u talkin bout his production vds production was dwn this season where was he.

by SFniner_Hitter on Jan 28, 2011 6:03 AM PST reply actions  

...zzz...

"I always thought that Crabtree was a hard worker. He's not faking it. He's not the type to hide behind the curtain... he's always been a guy that works hard."
---Roger Craig

by 10forTech on Jan 28, 2011 9:27 PM PST reply actions  

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