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49ers GM/Coach Search: Jim Harbaugh Might Require Mike Lombardi

As the 49ers search for a general manager and head coach moves along, it appears to be morphing into a single search. While the 49ers will not confirm or deny the Jim Harbaugh rumors, the volume of information on this subject would indicate Harbaugh is the top choice to be the next head coach of the San Francisco 49ers.

We've seen a million and one stories with most of them pushing Trent Baalke as the heir apparenty for the GM job. However, the momentum has just as quickly begun to swing away from Trent Baalke being the obvious choice. Some folks are sitting on Baalke for GM, but Mike Lombardi is starting to emerge as a potentially more likely target. It's all rumor and hearsay at this point so we can only take it with a big fat grain of salt. However, as was the case last week, the more smoke you get, the more likely there's fire right behind it.

Mike Florio over at Pro Football Talk has had plenty of links related to the 49ers current search for a GM and head coach. A little earlier today he posted that a league source expressed to PFT "a very strong feeling/hunch that Harbaugh would be paired not with Baalke but with NFL Network's Mike Lombardi." The idea appears to be that Harbaugh might not be comfortable with a Baalke-led front office. I'd probably be a bit skeptical about a front office being led by this guy.

But seriously, whether or not your gut tells you (like it does Tre9er) all the Baalke talk was a smokescreen for Lombardi, this just shows how quickly news can change when it's based on rumors and anonymous league sources. At the end of the day barring some shaking change of events, somebody will have tweeted or written an article with the correct answer. That person will claim to be all-knowing at that point even though the person who wrote anything prior to this past weekend will likely be getting it right because of dumb luck more than anything else.

It's a lot of fun to discuss, but I'm also just anxious for this search to end and to see some white smoke come up from 49ers headquarters. I'd have to imagine at some point this week we'll finally get an answer.

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by mikev on Jan 3, 2011 1:52 PM PST reply actions  

This is no rumor , because i tweeted to to Sam ...!!

I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ...Jimmy Raye your no daisy ...!!

by Edggy on Jan 3, 2011 1:53 PM PST reply actions  

Tweeted (it ) to Sam

I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ...Jimmy Raye your no daisy ...!!

by Edggy on Jan 3, 2011 1:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Can someone tell me who lombardi is responsible for drafting i should know he worked

for the niners in the walsh days but the professer was resposible for getting the best players in the draft or free-agency.I’m trying to get some amunation on him before i start ‘’ hating’’on him lol kidding.

by Jayubb415rebirth on Jan 3, 2011 2:46 PM PST up reply actions  

No idea I will look into it

But I just really want Harbaugh

Kellen Moore is awesome

by manraj7 on Jan 3, 2011 3:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Yea me to i think i'm hoping he signs i don't no what root for in tonights orange bowl

part of me wants stanford to lose n maybe then hill sign with us the other half wants him to win so he will get bcs out of his system.But ive always been a fan of beamer ball i like the players they put out i know josh morgan is pumped for V-tech.I’m not sure about lombardi though he’s been fired by his last to jobs,i know the NFL-network makes him look a little better just don’t know if he’s the dude to do it

by Jayubb415rebirth on Jan 3, 2011 3:10 PM PST up reply actions  

If he wins

I think he is more likely to leave on a high note. If he loses, maybe he comes back to prove something.

by hudd07 on Jan 3, 2011 3:22 PM PST up reply actions  

If they interview marvin lewis i hope its just for DC because he hasn't won ''sqadusch''

to be the head coach of the S.F 49ers we whooped cincy in 2 SBs like charles barkley would say ‘’bill wash is turning over in his grave’’lol

by Jayubb415rebirth on Jan 3, 2011 3:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Nobody

since it was Al Davis calling the shots

by hudd07 on Jan 3, 2011 3:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Good News

This is the best rumor/pairing that I’ve heard thus far. Let’s see if Jed & Family actually shells out the money to bring in this power duo.

Although, I’m not getting any hopes up until I finally hear an official announcement. There’s far too many sources and rumors going around the media.

Why is our off-season more exciting than our regular season?!

by Double eNN on Jan 3, 2011 1:57 PM PST reply actions  

Jed definitely said

Money is not an object to hiring the best people for the jobs.

No more mock draft sig for now...

by See Jay on Jan 3, 2011 4:01 PM PST up reply actions  

That's what Jed said..

Though he is playing with Mommy & Daddy’s money…so if anybody can ruin all of this for us, it the true owners.

Why is our off-season more exciting than our regular season?!

by Double eNN on Jan 3, 2011 4:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Yep

I doubt anything will go down tonight. I don’t think Harbaugh would take the focus off his team win or lose. Announcement could go down tomorrow or Wednesday though. Have the 49ers interviewed a minority coaching candidate yet?

by AptosNinerFan on Jan 3, 2011 2:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Marvin Lewis will be interviewing according to Schefter.

by BayLife5518 on Jan 3, 2011 2:09 PM PST up reply actions  

not under contract next season though

so they can talk to him, I believe

Trust me, I have no idea either.
Nitwitter

by Tre9er on Jan 3, 2011 2:12 PM PST up reply actions  

that's what I said...like players declare for NFL draft after Bowl Games

wonder if Harbaugh will do that? NOT!

Trust me, I have no idea either.
Nitwitter

by Tre9er on Jan 3, 2011 2:11 PM PST up reply actions  

luck declares and says he want to play for niners

harbaugh says he wants to be the coach of the niners

sweet.

then the disneyland commercial ends…….

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 3, 2011 2:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Morteson said harbaugh might go to michigan but said harbaugh said it was important

that stanford wins this game tonight by the way they said elway was down there n he would try n talk to harbaugh after the game.But i think theres nothing in denver but scrubs he comes here we got talent upn down our ‘’ Roster Baaabyyy’’

by Jayubb415rebirth on Jan 3, 2011 3:22 PM PST up reply actions  

I wish Walsh was still around

He would have so much power

Kellen Moore is awesome

by manraj7 on Jan 3, 2011 3:25 PM PST up reply actions  

+1

Except, I don’t think Walsh would say “you should go to San Francisco.” He would say you should go where you’ll have the best chance to win and put your stamp on the game. If that’s with the 49ers, awesome!

by agchee on Jan 3, 2011 3:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I've said it before and I'll say it again ...

The MOST important piece of the puzzle so far as the on-the-field product (and results) is concerned is the new head coach. If Jim Harbaugh is your guy, and I think that he is absolutely the right guy, then doesn’t it just make good sense to see who he would prefer to work with if he’s hired? That doesn’t necessarily commit you to his preference, but it certainly helps you understand what it would take to get him hired. Then you can decide — you’re either willing to do that or your not. Not rocket science — ask the question, then make a decision.

by 49erFanSince1950 on Jan 3, 2011 2:04 PM PST reply actions  

That's why

when I heard they were interviewing Lombardi last week, I immediately thought “They want Harbaugh”. Then when he said “I’m not a serious candidate” I was a bit confused.

Maybe a lot of people were confusing the 49ers desire to keep Baalke around with their desire to make him their GM?

by AptosNinerFan on Jan 3, 2011 2:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm glad Lombardi gave us a perfect way to get hired

Interview for a position, then write an article how you aren’t a serious candidate, and watch your future employer come crawling back.

by hudd07 on Jan 3, 2011 3:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Nice.

I’d love to see Harbaugh here with whoever he feels comfortable with to assist him in the FO. I still hold out hope for a Harbaugh/Lombardi tandem and a trade with Carolina to get the number 1 pick.= for Luck.

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by Giant Voodoo on Jan 3, 2011 2:07 PM PST reply actions  

You know how you keep repeating something...

All day today ESPN is talking about US and Harbaugh! Keep on saying it so it can come true. I believe that this game will showcase who will be with our team next year.

Here's money for a cab. Now entering sleep mode. beep beep beep zzzzzzzzz

by chriscream on Jan 3, 2011 2:07 PM PST reply actions  

Insisting Lombardi has to be apart of the package is a red flag. Why in the world anyone insist Lombardi has come to along? I know he does well in the media field, but that is media.

Digital Garbage

by bignerd on Jan 3, 2011 2:07 PM PST reply actions  

I’d say his NFL resume is better than Baalke’s, but that’s just me.

by Doctor Kajita on Jan 3, 2011 2:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I would disagree

He has a resume but it’s not impressive.

Digital Garbage

by bignerd on Jan 3, 2011 2:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Lombardi would desperately need some help. How many colleges players do you think he’s looked at? I’ll have to look back at his resume but I don’t think Mike has even been in position to pick the players for a draft.

Digital Garbage

by bignerd on Jan 3, 2011 2:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Baalke was in the same position last year. Singeltary had a lot of input on the draft as do most head coaches.

IF Harbaugh feels he can fulfill his vision with Lombardi better than Baalke, why wouldn’t it be a better fit?

by Doctor Kajita on Jan 3, 2011 2:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Because Baalke whispered the picks into Singletary’s ear. Get me a big ugly OT, I need a guard who doesn’t need to be on guard of me punching him in the face, can I get another Patrick Willis and someone who won’t fumble punts. Baalke filled in all the blank names even if he wasn’t creating the shopping list.

Digital Garbage

by bignerd on Jan 3, 2011 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Based on one successful draft (I think it’s safe to say it was a successful), you’re willing to anoint Baalke the future GM?

What about a change of identity? 49ers need one. Is Baalke the right guy for that? If he is, fine. But if the process of redefining the 49ers identity is hindered because Jed needs to be puppet master, then I can’t advocate it. That’s just conjecture, of course.

by Doctor Kajita on Jan 3, 2011 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

No let me ask this

Based on 2 minute TV segments on NFL Network you are willing to hire Mike Lombardi?

Digital Garbage

by bignerd on Jan 3, 2011 2:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Baalke is a Parcells guy

and such he believes in size and power. He knows nothing about offensive creativity. All he will do is try and re-create the 90’s Giants because he know that that formula has success behind it.

by jviet on Jan 3, 2011 2:26 PM PST up reply actions  

How do you know this?

Are you living in Baalke’s head? Do Belichick’s Patriots resemble the ’86 Giants?

by AptosNinerFan on Jan 3, 2011 2:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Sean Peyton is a Parcell's guy

You may want re-think this simple cookie-cutter approach.

Digital Garbage

by bignerd on Jan 3, 2011 2:29 PM PST up reply actions  

these men are coaches and have good GM's backing them up

Baalke is a GM and not a coach.

Belichick had Scott Pioli
Sean Payton has Mickey Loomis

Thus they have good GM’s backing them up in the search for talent for their systems.

by jviet on Jan 3, 2011 2:32 PM PST up reply actions  

And

forgot to mention but imagine if those coaches weree also their own GM’s…the Patriots might look a bit different if B didn’t have Pioli.

by jviet on Jan 3, 2011 2:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Ohhhh now it's the GM

So lets completely switch the argument. How many of those GM’s have ties to Walsh?

Digital Garbage

by bignerd on Jan 3, 2011 2:33 PM PST up reply actions  

jviet

Baalke has said he prefers big strong players, but he said you have to make exceptions for the right guy and that all teams make exceptions.

I think that’s all you can ask for, because McC didn’t even do that.

by hudd07 on Jan 3, 2011 3:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Based on 2 minute TV segments on NFL Network you are willing to hire Mike Lombardi?

No, of course not. I base it on his ties to the good ole’ 49ers and Bill Walsh. Naive? Yes. But I think that’s better than what Jed has hand picked for the franchise the last several years.

by Doctor Kajita on Jan 3, 2011 2:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh boy

Yes, cause the answer is clearly tying the franchise back to the past.

Digital Garbage

by bignerd on Jan 3, 2011 2:36 PM PST up reply actions  

No, it’s tying it to a foundation, strategy, mindset, etc. that has worked.

by Doctor Kajita on Jan 3, 2011 2:37 PM PST up reply actions  

You don’t have to do it literally.

Digital Garbage

by bignerd on Jan 3, 2011 2:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed. If we can see it employed…scratch that. If we can see some semblance of offensive competency, then I’m game. I don’t care if it’s WCO or not. Forgive my infatuation with the good ole days.

by Doctor Kajita on Jan 3, 2011 2:48 PM PST up reply actions  

But...

I think the main reason to hire a Lombardi is if that’s who it would take to get Harbaugh, then do it. Sounds desperate, but I think the 49ers have been a desperate franchise for years.

Lombardi’s ties to the 49ers/Walsh is just a nice supplement to have.

by Doctor Kajita on Jan 3, 2011 2:41 PM PST up reply actions  

That's my point

Wanting Lombardi is a reg flag on Harbaugh

Digital Garbage

by bignerd on Jan 3, 2011 2:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Wanting Lombardi is a reg flag on Harbaugh

Just as much as Baalke is a red flag on Jed York.

by Doctor Kajita on Jan 3, 2011 2:49 PM PST up reply actions  

He worked under Al

so you’re probably right. Who knows what the title of GM means with the Raiders. The thing about Lombardi is that he may have more connections around the league than Baalke and most importantly he has worked with Harbaugh before.

by AptosNinerFan on Jan 3, 2011 2:19 PM PST up reply actions  

He had so much power under Al he was fired for bad mouthing the coach and current draft picks to the media because he had no actual power with the Raiders, it was the only thing he could do.

Digital Garbage

by bignerd on Jan 3, 2011 2:23 PM PST up reply actions  

From this SI article written by Lombardi

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/football/nfl/specials/draft/2008/04/14/lombardi.mocks/

is it possible he helped Bill Walsh select players in his drafts, in an advisory position. And is he suggesting he played a hand in drafting Jerry Rice?

C'mon Beane! Close off the bottom deck and reopen the top!

by proevn on Jan 3, 2011 2:23 PM PST up reply actions  

He was Walsh’s gopher. He picked up the college tapes and ju ju bees from the mini-mart.

Digital Garbage

by bignerd on Jan 3, 2011 2:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Looks like Mike

ate all the Ju Ju Bees on the way back from the mini mart.

by AptosNinerFan on Jan 3, 2011 2:30 PM PST up reply actions  

almost all good GM's are fat

everybody knows THAT!

Trust me, I have no idea either.
Nitwitter

by Tre9er on Jan 3, 2011 2:31 PM PST up reply actions  

"hire"

We should “hire” Vince Wilfork for GM.

by AptosNinerFan on Jan 3, 2011 2:37 PM PST up reply actions  

We Passed On Wolfolk

So we could trade down and draft the fabulous Rashawn Woods.

by The Sear on Jan 3, 2011 5:58 PM PST up reply actions  

He certainly had a lot of front office jobs

But his tenure with the 49ers under Walsh was an entry level position.

Digital Garbage

by bignerd on Jan 3, 2011 2:31 PM PST up reply actions  

But he still understands what Walsh means to the 49ers and to football. I think that’s important. It’s not the only reason to hire someone, but I think it’s something many people take for granted.

by Doctor Kajita on Jan 3, 2011 2:35 PM PST up reply actions  

even still....entry level positions

are when new employees are most like a sponge in their environment. Soaking in as much as they can and taking notes on how the boss is conducting his business.

C'mon Beane! Close off the bottom deck and reopen the top!

by proevn on Jan 3, 2011 2:38 PM PST up reply actions  

No Game

Baalke has no game outside of the 49ers. At least other people have heard of Lombardi. He brings more credibility
than Baalke does.

by The Sear on Jan 3, 2011 4:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Fooch, any time you post a poll with “Jim Harbaugh” and “good fit in San Francisco” in the same sentence, you will automatically get 90% Yes votes.

You could even say “Would HC Jim harbaugh and GM Matt Millen be a good fit in San Francsico?” and everyone would say yes.

9/8/10: 49ers go 11-5, Lose to Falcons first round. Smitty: 3500/25/15. Gore: 1300 yards, 10 TDs. Crabtree: 1000 yards, 7 TDs. Vernon: 900 yards, 8 TDs

by MichaelClutchtree on Jan 3, 2011 2:13 PM PST reply actions   2 recs

This is true ...!!

I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ...Jimmy Raye your no daisy ...!!

by Edggy on Jan 3, 2011 2:14 PM PST up reply actions  

poll

Yea, I figured that’s the case. When Lombardi interviewed I added a poll with the good fit question and he was getting 61% of the yes votes. This probably brings a good chunk of the no votes into the yes column.

by David Fucillo on Jan 3, 2011 2:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Post it on your next Harbuagh/GM thread!

9/8/10: 49ers go 11-5, Lose to Falcons first round. Smitty: 3500/25/15. Gore: 1300 yards, 10 TDs. Crabtree: 1000 yards, 7 TDs. Vernon: 900 yards, 8 TDs

by MichaelClutchtree on Jan 3, 2011 2:17 PM PST up reply actions  

You could even say "Would HC Jim harbaugh and GM Matt Millen be a good fit in San Francsico?" and everyone would say yes.

I’m not that desperate.

by Doctor Kajita on Jan 3, 2011 2:16 PM PST up reply actions  

no, but it is borderline insane…

by Virginia9er on Jan 3, 2011 2:30 PM PST up reply actions  

I would take Harbaugh with anyone

Like Harbaugh and Marisa Miller actually thats not a bad idea

Kellen Moore is awesome

by manraj7 on Jan 3, 2011 2:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I undertand your point

But no matter who the coach is Millen would destroy even the Pats with any sort of control…Marisa Miller is actually more qualified.

by Virginia9er on Jan 3, 2011 2:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Screw Harbaugh

Get Marissa Miller on the phone STAT!

by AptosNinerFan on Jan 3, 2011 2:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually

Can I do it the other way around please? I’m more than happy to get Harbaugh on the phone

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by mikev on Jan 3, 2011 2:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I would take Harbaugh with anyone

manraj proves my point

do it fooch!

9/8/10: 49ers go 11-5, Lose to Falcons first round. Smitty: 3500/25/15. Gore: 1300 yards, 10 TDs. Crabtree: 1000 yards, 7 TDs. Vernon: 900 yards, 8 TDs

by MichaelClutchtree on Jan 3, 2011 3:20 PM PST up reply actions  

YOU SHOULD BE PUNCHED IN THE FACE!

MILLEN IS 666 EVEN AS A BROADCASTER! RATHER HAVE JH AND STEVE YOUNG

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by Sammallory on Jan 3, 2011 3:34 PM PST up reply actions  

lol

is that a hair piece?

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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 3, 2011 2:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Is that Denise?

Oh brother, that’s who owns our team? UGH

by hudd07 on Jan 3, 2011 3:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Old news...

Californa is world PVP at it's finest.

by Sammallory on Jan 3, 2011 3:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Never seen a picture of her

Maybe I have but just deleted from my memory bank.

by hudd07 on Jan 3, 2011 3:43 PM PST up reply actions  

WalMart

Is that a Walmart looking couple or what? Little Denise and her money control it all, not Jed, he is the mouthpiece.

by The Sear on Jan 3, 2011 4:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Who are we? We are a west coast team with a legacy of Bill Walsh, innovative offense, and solid quarterbacking.

Steve Young said it best on the KNBR radio show that this team needs to identify with our legacy from the ’80’s and 90’s.

Nolan was all about the Ravens and strong defense.
Singletary was all about the Chicago Bears and even stronger defense.
And we wonder why our offense sucks???

Baalke is a Parcells guy which means Giants and again strong defense and running game but weak on passing and creativity.

I want a coach and GM who will bring Walsh and the West Coast back into the building!!!

Lombardi worked for Walsh and is a nice bridge to that legacy.
If Harbaugh is creative on offense and anywhere close to the innovation that Walsh did then we may be back in business.
Even Billick would work as he worked for Walsh back in the past as well.

The identity of our team should be strong on offense and at QB. This team has no idea of what it wants to be or should be and neither does Jed even though it is staring him in the face. Bring Walsh and his legacy back into the building.

The blueprint is clear to me; enough of this super strong defense and a running game. I want to see some creative offense that can’t be stopped!!

The first question in any interview should be “How do you feel about Bill Walsh and how have you implemented his ideas, strategies, and techniques into your philosophy of football?”.

Fear the beard indeed.

by jviet on Jan 3, 2011 2:18 PM PST reply actions  

Just because Baalke...

worked with Parcells a decade ago doesn’t mean he’s trying to re-create the 86’ Giants.

by AptosNinerFan on Jan 3, 2011 2:25 PM PST up reply actions  

YES IT DOES

OH MAH GAWD DAS HOW IT WURKS IF U WORRK 4 SOME1 DEN U TRY 2 COPY WUT DEY DOOO!!1111 ITS PHYSIKS!111

Er… sorry. I think I got possessed by John York’s hairpiece.

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by Effage on Jan 3, 2011 11:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes, please.

I’d love this combo.

Through 10 games, this looks to me like a 5-11 team.
twitter me @grantmp1

by grantmp on Jan 3, 2011 2:23 PM PST reply actions  

twss

SAN FRANCISCO GIANTS: WORLD CHAMPIONS!
Touchdown Forty Niners!
Giants Baseball: Torture. It hurts so good.

by Effage on Jan 3, 2011 11:46 PM PST up reply actions  

THAT'S NOT HIM!!!!!!

Drummer was saying something about Jed tweeting…that’s a parody account. Read the tweets…seriously think that’s Jed? Jim Irsay is the only owner who’s actively tweeting real info.

Trust me, I have no idea either.
Nitwitter

by Tre9er on Jan 3, 2011 4:45 PM PST up reply actions  

What's Pop's Harbaugh doing these day's , maybe he can be the new Gm ...!!

I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ...Jimmy Raye your no daisy ...!!

by Edggy on Jan 3, 2011 2:30 PM PST reply actions  

OT: We Niner Fans are funny like that
“I probably was,” Smith said. “I’ve gone through enough of that. It’s laughable to play like that — to throw an incompletion and get booed. That stuff is not fazing me at this point. I can deal with that.”

Read more: 49ers notebook: Alex Smith gets to pick his spot
Tune to SportsNet Central at 6, 10:30 and midnight on Comcast SportsNet Bay Area for more on this story

by IRONxMIKE on Jan 3, 2011 2:31 PM PST reply actions  

Alex is a man

Say what you will about Alex’s performance on the field, the dude was a total professional from day 1. He could have thrown so many Ryan Leaf tantrums and thrown a lot of people under the bus. He never did. I have a lot of respect for him but it just wasn’t meant to be.

by AptosNinerFan on Jan 3, 2011 2:42 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

He's obviously a pretty good guy

and really smart, too — I believe he graduated from Utah after his Junior year.

He just wasn’t really all that great at football.

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by mikev on Jan 3, 2011 2:43 PM PST up reply actions  

We'll see

His story is not over yet. Lot’s of QB’s struggle early in their careers. I’m not saying that he can turn it around but it’s possible.

by AptosNinerFan on Jan 3, 2011 2:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Great Guy

Alex is a great guy, total class. He didn’t ask to be drafted first by a terrible, dysfunctional franchise, that doesn’t know how to evaluate talent. He just isn’t very good, but he is a great guy.

by The Sear on Jan 3, 2011 3:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Is Jed reading this? I hear Baalke was weighed on fan opinion

Baalke Billick 2011

"Derek Smith is #1 in Backfield Penetrations"

by drummer on Jan 3, 2011 2:31 PM PST reply actions  

i hope thats true....

He says he wants to be hands off as far as football operations go… but he can really do some negative damages should he get his grubby hands on this decision and mess it up. LET THE FANS MESS IT UP (or FIX IT)… we deserve that right.

by IRONxMIKE on Jan 3, 2011 2:34 PM PST up reply actions  

DUH moment of the day for Jed York and his "interviews"

The first question in any interview should be "How do you feel about Bill Walsh and how have you implemented his ideas, strategies, and techniques into your philosophy of football?".

by jviet on Jan 3, 2011 2:34 PM PST reply actions  

“I will talk to my uncle and get back to you.”

by IRONxMIKE on Jan 3, 2011 2:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Harbaugh is a Norcal man

Why did no one say that Harbaugh grew up in Palo Alto? Was he a Niners fan?

Kellen Moore is awesome

by manraj7 on Jan 3, 2011 2:44 PM PST reply actions  

I'm sorry, but doesn't it seem like the Rooney Rule is kind

of counteractive to its own purpose? I’m sure its well meaning but, I’d be pissed if I was only being interviewed to satisfy the rule.

by IRONxMIKE on Jan 3, 2011 2:46 PM PST reply actions  

interviews

Part of the reason for it was giving minority candidates experience in the interview setting. I believe Tony Dungy has vouched for it in that regard.

by David Fucillo on Jan 3, 2011 2:56 PM PST up reply actions  

just curious

wonder what the ratio of white to minorities are in the NFL at starting positions? We should carry this over ….

Californa is world PVP at it's finest.

by Sammallory on Jan 3, 2011 3:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Another interesting reason for Harbaugh to come to the Niners....

he will get to coach against his bro in his first season (a cute little story line for the NFL to play)

by sanfranfanmdk on Jan 3, 2011 2:50 PM PST reply actions  

Harbaugh bowl

I heard the Manning bowl is really really awkward for Peyton’s and Eli’s brother.

Kellen Moore is awesome

by manraj7 on Jan 3, 2011 3:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh, there's another one?

No more mock draft sig for now...

by See Jay on Jan 3, 2011 4:07 PM PST up reply actions  

better athlete than both

Too bad. I bet thanksgiving is awkward for him.
So Eli superbowl ring, just like your brothers. and cooper… nice… watch?

by mcwagner on Jan 3, 2011 4:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Who the hell is naming these kids?

… Wait…

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by Effage on Jan 3, 2011 11:48 PM PST up reply actions  

don’t think he likes Petie even a little bit

often wrong. never in doubt.

by Jaxson876 on Jan 3, 2011 4:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Works for me

Hopefully these other teams like Denver and Carolina back off Harbaugh!

by Runz Plz on Jan 3, 2011 2:52 PM PST reply actions  

Denver is only scary because

Elway now being there. Carolina isn’t even going after him/have a shot I don’t think. At least from the speculation I have read from the ‘experts’

by Virginia9er on Jan 3, 2011 2:55 PM PST up reply actions  

I find it curious everyone is discounting Harbaugh staying at Stanford

Anyone that has something to say says he is leaving. Yet I have now seen two or three interviews with John where he says he thinks his brother will stay. Yet, he did preface it by saying he isn’t sure and wouldn’t be surprised to see anything.

They both have mentioned how they are really close, I lend more credence to his word than any of the supposed ‘experts’ with ‘league sources.’

by Virginia9er on Jan 3, 2011 2:59 PM PST reply actions  

He didn't sign his extension

I think that’s the biggest thing saying he is out.

by hudd07 on Jan 3, 2011 3:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Fair

But doesn’t mean he isn’t just simply keeping options open for his dream job whatever that may be, Michigan or NFL…

by Virginia9er on Jan 3, 2011 3:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed

but I think it does show that he is loooking SERIOUSLY at other options.

by hudd07 on Jan 3, 2011 3:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh

I am not trying to say he is leaning towards staying, I’d just give it an even shot against Michigan, Us, or even Denver, no one else seems to.

by Virginia9er on Jan 3, 2011 3:24 PM PST up reply actions  

I know that's what you are saying

I’m just saying I give Stanford the worst chance of all. I think there is a chance, but I don’t think it’s even with Michigan or the Niners.

by hudd07 on Jan 3, 2011 3:27 PM PST up reply actions  

I think if Luck stays, so will Harbaugh.

Luck may well decide to stay and finish his studies.. A Stanford degree is not something to take lightly and he will now come under tremendous pressure from Alumni and boosters to stay in school.

by suffrin9erfan on Jan 3, 2011 10:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I hate that you may be right...

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by Effage on Jan 3, 2011 11:49 PM PST up reply actions  

I Called the Baalke Thing a Smokecreen too!!

But listen, how much more experienced is Lombardi than Baalke? His highest position was with the Oakland Raiders, under Al Davis; honestly do you really think he had final personel decisions there? Many of you didn’t want Baalke because he didn’t have experience. Where does this leave you with Lombardi? Personally, I think it would be a great move to bring in Lombardi and retain Baalke. That would be a nice combo in the FO

"He who lives on hope will die fasting" Benjamin Franklin was a fool

"If we are thinking playoffs, why not look towards the mountaintop"

I like my quote better

by nocal81(Vincent) on Jan 3, 2011 3:01 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

It wasn't a smokescreen.

Baalke Billick 2011

"Derek Smith is #1 in Backfield Penetrations"

by drummer on Jan 3, 2011 3:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Lets not confuse my "support"

"He who lives on hope will die fasting" Benjamin Franklin was a fool

"If we are thinking playoffs, why not look towards the mountaintop"

I like my quote better

by nocal81(Vincent) on Jan 3, 2011 5:14 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Lets not confuse my "support"

For Baalke as an indication that I wouldn’t rather have Lombardi. I honestly think a Lombardi-Baalke 1-2 punch would work great.

Drummer: I understand your sig, and that you are the “rat”, but we are just going to have to see how it plays out. Lombardi said Baalke would be hired in 48 hours, this was what? 96 hours ago? Various reports established Baalke as the leading candidate, yet he hasn’t been promoted yet. It seemed all but imminent three days ago, but now there appears to be much more uncertainty regarding it now. Baalke could still be promoted, but as of now my point stands.

Plus, to all those fans who were saying that they didn’t support Baalke only because of his lack of experience (not his association with the previous regime), but now support Lombardi. Answer me this: How does that make any sense? How much more experience does Lombardi have making personel decisions than Baalke?

"He who lives on hope will die fasting" Benjamin Franklin was a fool

"If we are thinking playoffs, why not look towards the mountaintop"

I like my quote better

by nocal81(Vincent) on Jan 3, 2011 5:22 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Remember when I posted..

how Baalke could be a sticking point in the HC hire? We had a long thread about that.

Baalke Billick 2011

"Derek Smith is #1 in Backfield Penetrations"

by drummer on Jan 3, 2011 5:26 PM PST up reply actions  

I Do

And you being right, doesn’t make me wrong! I do remember that EPIC thread, but that single back and forth doesn’t correlate with this certain argument.

I was making a point about experience and people who used that as the primary/sole reason for not supporting Baalke, and how these people can now throw in for Lombardi.

It must be noted that I didn’t have a problem with Baalke’s lack of experience and actually think Lombardi would be a great hire.

"He who lives on hope will die fasting" Benjamin Franklin was a fool

"If we are thinking playoffs, why not look towards the mountaintop"

I like my quote better

by nocal81(Vincent) on Jan 3, 2011 5:35 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Cohn and coaching search

I usually dislike his articles, but he makes a good point. I always assumed we had pretty good talent, but uh…

http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20110102/NEWS/110109954/1057/SPORTS0908?p=all&tc=pgall

by hudd07 on Jan 3, 2011 3:04 PM PST reply actions  

That is one of the most ridiculous articles I have ever read

I will give you, he makes some very valid points, very valid. But the way he writes it, he comes of as an upset and frustrated fan rather than an unbiased journalist.

That said I have never liked him so take my opinion with a grain of salt.

by Virginia9er on Jan 3, 2011 3:09 PM PST up reply actions  

How is it ridiculous but have very very valid points?

Cohn always sounds like a disgruntled fan. But he is also always someone that looks at the team with regular glasses instead of rose colored. I think he is harder on the Niners Organization than any other journalist.

by hudd07 on Jan 3, 2011 3:20 PM PST up reply actions  

No he doesn't have rose colored glasses

I suppose they are Indigo, or whatever the opposite of rose would be. He never has anything good to say, his bias goes the other way it isn’t proper journalism in my opinion. He isn’t writing an opinion column he is writing as a sports reporter.

I said he makes some valid points because he does, doesn’t mean they aren’t tainted with blind rage and useless attacks. He goes after Justin Smith for no reason whatsoever as well as other beloved professionals.

by Virginia9er on Jan 3, 2011 3:22 PM PST up reply actions  

He has his moments I'll give you that.

But honestly, what has York done in the last 10 years to instill any faith in this organization? I think Cohn sees it more real than even we do as fans. Frankly, our talent really isn’t that good, and Nolan and Singletary DID set us back a couple years.

by hudd07 on Jan 3, 2011 3:25 PM PST up reply actions  

It remains to be seen

How much Sing set us back. Our talent is simply unproven, but could be with the right guy (it also could not be). I don’t care about Cohn’s opinion on the ownership I care about him taking shots at players on the team who have been nothing but professional, regardless of their level of play. You want to say they underachieved fine, but some of his statements go further than that. Main example being Justin Smith

by Virginia9er on Jan 3, 2011 3:28 PM PST up reply actions  

That was the only thing he said that was uncalled for

and that I agree. I was shocked when I read it, since Smith is a consumate professional.

However, he is spot on regarding everything else.

by hudd07 on Jan 3, 2011 3:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Well there are others

He doesn’t mention Aubrayo, who granted didn’t have a spectacular season like last year, but we still haven’t allowed a 100 yard rusher and that is a lot due to him.

He doesn’t put Gore in the elite offensive players. Based on what, his age and injuries, his level of play has yet to decrease since he’s been in the league, it could next year, but it might not.

He says another keeper is Andy Lee, who is a kicker (really? really? You label him a Kicker, he kicks the ball, but his position is Punter, give me a break)

The entire article is laced with the sarcasm of a middle schooler, it is absurd to take seriously. ‘That gives us a count of three elites on defense, a rather intimate group.’ That is simply terrible…

by Virginia9er on Jan 3, 2011 3:51 PM PST up reply actions  

I didn't get any major hate or even sarcasm out of that article.

Maybe you disagree with his opinions and that’s fine, but the guy doesn’t attack anyone in any way.

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by See Jay on Jan 3, 2011 4:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I said in a post up above

That I generally don’t like him, so I preface that here. But there is plenty of sarcasm throughout. I also agree with some of his assessments of players, just some that were frankly uncalled for from a journalistic standpoint.

Justin Smith: When he does not get thrown out of games, Smith is one of the premier defensive tackles in the league.

How is that first part even relevant. And it was one game singular, not plural. Also from all accounts he is a consummate professional. That is an unnecessary jab used simply to stimulate a response. For a journalist (which he is), I find that to be extremely disingenuous.

by Virginia9er on Jan 3, 2011 4:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Hum

I don’t think that’s particularly sarcastic or uncalled for. He DID get tossed out of a game (however tenuous the circumstances may have been).

We can agree to disagree – I’m not attacking your view of him, only expressing that I don’t see what you describe. Maybe it is your bias, or maybe it’s mine.

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by See Jay on Jan 3, 2011 4:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Cohn is just a hater, plain and simple

Smith got ejected on a crap call, and he leads with “when he’s not busy getting kicked out of games”

Right, okay.

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by mikev on Jan 3, 2011 3:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah that part stunk

but he is more of a realist when it comes to the Niners than any other writer.

by hudd07 on Jan 3, 2011 3:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Eh. He deliberately writes negative crap to try and instigate responses.

He does the same stuff about Billy Beane and the A’s.

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by mikev on Jan 3, 2011 3:21 PM PST up reply actions  

A's organization is worse than the Niners

but they are close. At least the A’s have been relevant in the last decade.

Cohn can be brutal and tries to cause junk, but again, what have the Yorks done to instill confidence since they took over? It’s been one mistake after another.

by hudd07 on Jan 3, 2011 3:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Hmm

Only have read one paragraph so far and am already wondering about lack of mention of nose tackle on the “D”. I guess if it’s not a glory position he doesn’t consider consistent solid play (well, generally consistent given the hold out).

by ColoradoNiner on Jan 3, 2011 3:36 PM PST up reply actions  

He is talking about FRANCHISE building blocks

Franklin is good, but Franchise building, I don’t think so. Especially since he is going to be tough to sign.

by hudd07 on Jan 3, 2011 3:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Franklin is building block

Any 3-4 defense with a nose tackle is a building block.

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by bignerd on Jan 3, 2011 4:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Lowell Cohn

…is a flaming doucher in every possible way.

by wbstylee on Jan 3, 2011 5:31 PM PST up reply actions  

He basically could have written that about any franchise

Peyton Manning, ya he’s the best QB in the league but outside Reggie Wayne no one else on offense looks promising.

On defense, yes I have to say Freeney and Mathis are building blocks but I wouldn’t want anyone else on the team.

You can’t exactly say the Colts are loaded with talent ….

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by bignerd on Jan 3, 2011 5:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Cohn...

is more suited to be a blogger blurting whatever he feels like whenever he wants rather than a professional journalist and reporter.

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by Effage on Jan 3, 2011 11:51 PM PST up reply actions  

lol yeah

Although I’m glad he’s around, because its good to hear all perspectives. He’s sort of like a lunatic fan that’s always angry and running his mouth, lol. We get plenty of the professionals, so it isn’t like he needs to fill a gap.

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by Effage on Jan 5, 2011 1:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh lord..

Please don’t tell me the Niners are seriously letting a college HC with no NFL head coaching experience dictate front office staffing. That’s what desperate and substandard franchises do.

Truth is Harbaugh may be another Mike Nolan. I don’t know about hitching the Niners collective wagon hoping that yet another neophyte will turn into Bill Walsh. Wake up, People! The 80’s are over!

by wbstylee on Jan 3, 2011 3:06 PM PST reply actions  

Aside from that whole "success as a head coach" thing that Harbaugh has done in San Diego and at Stanford

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by mikev on Jan 3, 2011 3:08 PM PST up reply actions  

as a QB coach for the Raiders? Seriously.

by wbstylee on Jan 3, 2011 3:08 PM PST up reply actions  

can we see your resume?

by danknerd49 on Jan 3, 2011 3:11 PM PST up reply actions  

like you’re opinion is gospel. Blind faith in Jim Harbaugh is folly.

by wbstylee on Jan 3, 2011 3:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I dont think anyone is putting blind faith into harbaugh, i know im not

by danknerd49 on Jan 3, 2011 3:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Blind faith in anyone is folly

save maybe for Belichick. It’s all a crap shoot.

I like Harbaugh’s chances, that’s all.

by AptosNinerFan on Jan 3, 2011 3:20 PM PST up reply actions  

i agree with that.

by wbstylee on Jan 3, 2011 3:32 PM PST up reply actions  

singletary was a HOFer..

NFL talent does not a coach make.

by wbstylee on Jan 3, 2011 3:14 PM PST up reply actions  

It helps

Sing had no HC experience. College experience is better than none

Kellen Moore is awesome

by manraj7 on Jan 3, 2011 3:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Xs and Os…big difference.

by Virginia9er on Jan 3, 2011 3:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Running a pro style offense in college that defenses have tremendously hard time stopping, coaching the best QB prospect in the draft, turning a one win team into a top 5 team in 4 years. Yeah, Singletary and Harbaugh Comparisons are legit.

by BayLife5518 on Jan 3, 2011 3:41 PM PST up reply actions  

a pro style offense ...

in college, with an exceptional college QB who, contrary to popular belief, is a question mark at the NFL level.

by wbstylee on Jan 3, 2011 3:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Everyone is a question mark at NFL level

but Luck is much less than any QB in a while.

by hudd07 on Jan 3, 2011 3:47 PM PST up reply actions  

when the Raiders went to the Super Bowl

by 49erEmpire on Jan 3, 2011 3:14 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

San Diego and Stanford aren’t the NFL. There are far more college HC turned NFL failures than successes.

by wbstylee on Jan 3, 2011 3:11 PM PST up reply actions  

give me someone that has a track record of developing nfl QBs and offenses, but can manage a game well and can adjust on the fly. Not sure if that guy exists.

by wbstylee on Jan 3, 2011 3:17 PM PST up reply actions  

no coach will be the perfect candidate

first off, nobody with those kinds of credentials would be available for hire.

Secondly, how many of those people are there in the first place?

Gotta take risks, man. Harbaugh is by no means a guaranteed success, but he’s got a lot of positives going for him.

by brundylop on Jan 3, 2011 3:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Harbaugh

He’s developed a Division 1AA guy into an NFL QB and has another one, some guy named Luck, on his way to the NFL.

by AptosNinerFan on Jan 3, 2011 3:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Haven't heard of this Luck

Is he any good?

Kellen Moore is awesome

by manraj7 on Jan 3, 2011 3:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Nah

Typical Stanford QB. Big white stiff. Think Chad Hutchinson 2.0.

by AptosNinerFan on Jan 3, 2011 3:25 PM PST up reply actions  

He's a great college quarterback,

like Alex Smith, David Carr, Ryan Leaf, Ken Dorsey , Danny Wuerfful, Gino Torretta, you know great college QBs. Let’s not get into the annointing business until he is actually a success at the next level.

by wbstylee on Jan 3, 2011 3:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Valid once again but...

you said you wanted a guy who has developed NFL QB’s. Harbaugh is 2 for 2 in that department so far.

by AptosNinerFan on Jan 3, 2011 3:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Once again

Comparing one college QB to the next is garbage without considering other aspects. Did Ryan Leaf play in a pro style system? Did Ken Dorsey get drafted number 1 (7th round)? Luck is so superior to any other QB in the draft, already runs a pro system, already makes adjustments, goes through progressions, and knows how to look off safties. These are all things Alex Smith,the one you used as a talking point, still cannot do. But you’re right, Harbaugh = Singletary, Luck = Smith.

by BayLife5518 on Jan 3, 2011 3:45 PM PST up reply actions  

The other aspect is...

a horrible organization, which has practically consumed one #1 draft pick (A. Smith). Brady at #199, an undrafted Kurt Warner and other standout low rd picks. are examples of functional organizations and coaching properly developing talent, including teaching young quarterbacks how to look off safeties and making sight adjustments at the line. Alex Smith’s only sin was being drafted to a inept NFL franchise.

now let me get back to my talking points…

by wbstylee on Jan 3, 2011 3:57 PM PST up reply actions  

What are your talking points?

We shouldn’t hire or draft anyone because no one is a sure thing?

by AptosNinerFan on Jan 3, 2011 4:08 PM PST up reply actions  

nah..

i was accused of sticking to talking points earlier.

My point is that the hot candidate is not the best candidate, regardless of ESPN hype or blog love. This process is moving way too fast for my liking.

At the very least, let’s wait until the Patriots (after the super bowl), Steelers or other structurally sound organizations are out of the playoffs, to pick a GM or even a coach.

by wbstylee on Jan 3, 2011 4:17 PM PST up reply actions  

makes sense

I don’t agree but I can see that perspective.

by AptosNinerFan on Jan 3, 2011 4:23 PM PST up reply actions  

agree to disagree..

and that, my friends, is civility..boom goes the dynamite!

by wbstylee on Jan 3, 2011 4:31 PM PST up reply actions  

It's funny

that we hate how rushed things have gone, but yet, NOTHING has happened. Nobody has been hired, etc – just rumors of such.

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by See Jay on Jan 3, 2011 4:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Hasn’t every NFL quarterback been great in College? You don’t make it to the next level without being good in college.

by mcwagner on Jan 3, 2011 4:17 PM PST up reply actions  

there are exceptions to the rule

and he wasn’t very good until he had Brady and Belichick around him everyday. Also, he was as good as Leinart. Carroll left it to a gut feeling between the guys

by mcwagner on Jan 3, 2011 4:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed

but you said “every” and I was simply pointing out that you were incorrect.

by AptosNinerFan on Jan 3, 2011 4:34 PM PST up reply actions  

I am always right when I am incorrect. I tell the truth even when I lie

by mcwagner on Jan 3, 2011 4:40 PM PST up reply actions  

There are also

far more NFL HC turned failures than successes. What’s your point?

by AptosNinerFan on Jan 3, 2011 3:24 PM PST up reply actions  

He wants

someone who he knows will be successful with the Niners. Like…………….

by BayLife5518 on Jan 3, 2011 3:46 PM PST up reply actions  

god’s a rah-rah guy. Not enough Xs and Os

by wbstylee on Jan 3, 2011 4:22 PM PST up reply actions  

God...

is going to be great on the corporate luncheon circuit.

by AptosNinerFan on Jan 3, 2011 4:25 PM PST up reply actions  

watch how fast ..

the new stadium would be built in SF. Come on, is Gavin Newsom gonna say no to God?

by wbstylee on Jan 3, 2011 4:28 PM PST up reply actions  

and on the 8th day

The grandest stadium in the world was made and the men and animals praised the Lord.
I hope this isn’t blasphemist

by mcwagner on Jan 3, 2011 4:31 PM PST up reply actions  

water will be turned into wine...

until the 4th quarter when concessions are closed

by wbstylee on Jan 3, 2011 4:33 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

and with just one football

all the receivers were satisfied with their touches and the egos were diminished. A miracle!!!

by mcwagner on Jan 3, 2011 4:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Bwhaha

Is God from the Bill Walsh or Bill Parcells coaching tree?

by AptosNinerFan on Jan 3, 2011 4:35 PM PST up reply actions  

nope

THEN HE CAN GEEEEEET OUT!

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by See Jay on Jan 3, 2011 4:53 PM PST up reply actions  

if one existed

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by See Jay on Jan 3, 2011 4:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Your point is valid

but who said anything about Harbaugh dictating anything? Who would you prefer?

by AptosNinerFan on Jan 3, 2011 3:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Only two Niners head coaches ever had previous NFL HC experience (not counting interim)...

Dennis Erickson and Red Strader. (True story.)

The majority of the Niners’ HCs had considerable NFL assistant experience, but had never been a head coach in the league – this includes Dick Nolan, Monte Clark, Walsh, Seifert, Mariucci.

Just something to think about.

by NinerEd on Jan 3, 2011 3:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Get your hands off our Harbaugh

Sorry, he’s coming to Carolina. We can offer him his protege Andrew Luck…you got…eww.. Alex Smith….which #1 pick do you think he will prefer?

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by Jaxon on Jan 3, 2011 3:07 PM PST reply actions  

The Niners are more talented

and why would you live in Carolina when you can live in Cali.

Kellen Moore is awesome

by manraj7 on Jan 3, 2011 3:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I hope the post by the Panther fan was sarcasm

Because, no coach with any success is going to take the Carolina job. You are going to have to drudge through the scrapheap for a coach. Wade Phillips is available. Everyone rightly talks bad about John York, but that Richardson jackwagon is 10 times worse

"He who lives on hope will die fasting" Benjamin Franklin was a fool

"If we are thinking playoffs, why not look towards the mountaintop"

I like my quote better

by nocal81(Vincent) on Jan 3, 2011 3:13 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I’m sorry but nobody who grew up in California wants to live in Carolina over California

even if Harbaugh doesn’t get Luck he will develop his own QB and the 49ers have more talent than the Panthers

by 49erEmpire on Jan 3, 2011 3:12 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Well

I wouldn’t blindly hate on the East Coast. Charlotte is actually not a bad area, can’t say that for much of North Carolina though.

by Virginia9er on Jan 3, 2011 3:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m not hating on Charlotte or the East Coast I hear Charlotte is beautiful

I’m just saying if you grew up in Nor Cal and currently living there why not stay and coach a pro team that has more talent than a team across the country

by 49erEmpire on Jan 3, 2011 4:04 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Fair

I’m in complete agreement it would be an odd move for him.

by Virginia9er on Jan 3, 2011 4:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Why not?

Born and raised also and can’t really fathom wanting to leave (or at least, go far – maybe Oregon or Washington)

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by See Jay on Jan 3, 2011 4:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I love Nor Cal, and if I ever move it would likely be to Oregon or Washington, lol.

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by Effage on Jan 3, 2011 11:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Didn't we lose to them

Didn’t the Panthers beat the 49ers. Carolina is also a beautiful state with a much lower cost of living. He probably won’t go there, but I doubt he will find what we have to offer enough either.

by The Sear on Jan 3, 2011 6:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Alex is gone

You got… eww.. Jimmy Clausen! Bad attitude and bad player. Maybe you guys can draft a new QB every year and one day hit the jackpot, a one trick pony like Delhomme or Collins or.. or.. who was that bald heismann winner?

by mcwagner on Jan 3, 2011 4:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Does he have a bad attitude?

From all reports, he’s confident and wanted to compete for the starting spot from day 1. He even made a Tom Brady statement about how wise Carolina was for drafting him. I could be wrong but I haven’t heard anything about his bad attitude since he’s been in the NFL.

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by See Jay on Jan 3, 2011 4:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Predicting it now...

Harbaugh to the Niners, wins the NFC West his first year, sweeps the Seahawks, and immediately after the 2nd win over the Seahawks, Carroll retires from all that is football, while stating “I just can’t get away from this guy…he keeps beating me down and I’ve had enough of it!!” lol

by sanfranfanmdk on Jan 3, 2011 3:21 PM PST reply actions  

That would be oh so sweet.

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by Effage on Jan 3, 2011 11:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Leave it to Elway to muddy this all up

according to this article Elway is going to be an honorary Stanford Captain at the Orange bowl..

http://www.mercurynews.com/stanford-cardinal/ci_16995222?nclick_check=1

by AzNiner on Jan 3, 2011 3:25 PM PST reply actions  

Yea he is

I have seen that in a few places today…

by Virginia9er on Jan 3, 2011 3:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Again

Taking the job in Denver because of Elway is a red flag on Harbaugh. In Elways defense he does have experience managing a football team but this is his first shot in the NFL.

Digital Garbage

by bignerd on Jan 3, 2011 4:27 PM PST up reply actions  

He had an arena league team for a number of years.

Digital Garbage

by bignerd on Jan 3, 2011 4:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Intteresting

I didn’t know that. How do you think he’ll do? I think it’s going to be interesting with Tebow as QB. Elway has to find someone that wants to stake their rep on him.

by AptosNinerFan on Jan 3, 2011 4:40 PM PST up reply actions  

He’s gonna need a good personnel guy. Like Lombardi he will have a vision but probably knows nothing about incoming personnel.

Digital Garbage

by bignerd on Jan 3, 2011 4:43 PM PST up reply actions  

An argument for WCO

Seems that the 49ers receivers are split. Crabtree and Walker seemed to fare better with Troy and the others with Alex. Alex particularly had trouble getting the ball to Crabtree.

The WCO is predicated on timing. Alex seemed more reliant on that while Troy was more of a gunslinger. The gunslinger mentality can work, but more of the successful offenses are built on the WCO principle of timing patterns. Crabs has been said to run poor routes. A coach who stressed these fundamentals would improve the receivers and have whatever QB we get stress those too instead of “ball control” and “game management”

So whoever comes to coach, I just hope that those kind of fundamentals are installed.

by cassusriff on Jan 3, 2011 3:26 PM PST reply actions  

An ’X’s and O’s’ coach (which i hope the Niners hire) should be able to get a talented group of WRs and TE’s the ball in space, i hope.

by wbstylee on Jan 3, 2011 3:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Until I see otherwise....

I do NOT like Crabtree…. I get the feeling he just doesn’t want to be here. I was there at the New Orleans MNF game and to me it looked like he wouldn’t go over the middle and there was at least one tipped pass that led to an INT and it seemed like that at least early this season. A Smith would look for him only to have a tipped or dropped pass go to MC.

by 49er Faithful925 on Jan 3, 2011 4:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes

He’s getting paid millions of dollars to STFU about his personal issues and play to the best of his ability.

Look at Larry Fitzgerald. The Cards suck way worse than we do and have even crappier QBs, but Fitz is still out there giving 110%, taking huge hits, and making plays for them. I don’t care if you are unhappy with your team – you shut up and play your best anyways!

Ugh, I hate his attitude.

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by See Jay on Jan 3, 2011 4:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Sorry Sang

When you are upset and things are not going your way, it is hard to adjust and hide your frustration. Few people have an off switch like Fitz to be a professional at all times (even he had his hands on his hips and was clearly angry this season).
Crab has had a piss poor attitude, but when nothing is going your way I can see what is wrong.
On that note, I too have been disappointed in Michael Crabtree

by mcwagner on Jan 3, 2011 4:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah I noticed Fitz has had some poor body language at times

but he has continually stepped up his game, whereas Crabtree hasn’t.

I can understand being frustrated, but I wish he’d put a lid on it, that’s all. :)

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by See Jay on Jan 3, 2011 4:58 PM PST up reply actions  

+1

often wrong. never in doubt.

by Jaxson876 on Jan 3, 2011 4:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Fitz also has...

an offensive coordinator that finds ways to get him the ball, even though everyone knows its coming to him. You know, offensive creativity.

That and Fitzgerald’s criminally freakish athletic ability.

by wbstylee on Jan 3, 2011 4:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Still don't care.

Whether he gets one target or one hundred targets, whether his QB is Tom Brady or David Carr, I expect him to give 100% on every play.

His attitude is like T.O. — crying about how few targets he gets and dropping the ones he does get. He needs to can that business, put on his professional face, and play.

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by See Jay on Jan 3, 2011 5:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Crabtree is a young diva..

it was obvious at Texas Tech, something the Niners should have known at draft time. Diva or not, dude has ridiculous ball skills which could be beneficial to the offense if he got more touches. Draft a diva and feed him to keep him happy.

by wbstylee on Jan 3, 2011 5:06 PM PST up reply actions  

+1

lol im anxious too hahahaha damn it i want to know!!!!!!!!!

by Xan101 on Jan 3, 2011 3:34 PM PST reply actions  

I like it. I really like it.

A former Bill Walsh scout with NFL executive experience and the next hot Stanford coach? It would be great, and we would actually be able to re-associate with our past. Guys like Steve Young could actually contribute as a sort of off-season specialty coach, too.

SAN FRANCISCO GIANTS: WORLD CHAMPIONS!
Touchdown Forty Niners!
Giants Baseball: Torture. It hurts so good.

by Effage on Jan 3, 2011 3:49 PM PST reply actions  

Better Than We Could Expect

We have very little to offer a head coach and GM, so these two would be more than we could hope for. I don’t think I need to recite our shortcomings with the lead weight of the Yorks bringing our franchise to its knee’s.

by The Sear on Jan 3, 2011 3:52 PM PST reply actions  

I wonder:

If we land Harbaugh, will we be running his power-style offense from Stanford, or will we implement WCO? Sure, it’ll probably depend a bit on who ends up being the OC, but we’re mindlessly speculating here, so why not? :D

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by See Jay on Jan 3, 2011 4:17 PM PST reply actions  

well....

You have to use the strengths of your players in your system and gradually develop your roster to fit into your vision. With what we have, it is a big ? without a QB. If I had this team I would run a WCO. Lots of quick slants and drag routes for crabtree to use his running ability. Vernon can do anything so I would let him break to the sidelines or bust upfield. We have the talent at line and RB to spread the ball. If I am an OC I am licking my chops. There is no established QB so you can bring in a guy that fits what you want to do.

by mcwagner on Jan 3, 2011 4:22 PM PST up reply actions  

that's the gospel right there...

Be it a #1 pick or an undrafted free agent, that QB is out there. Somewhere. Please.

by wbstylee on Jan 3, 2011 4:25 PM PST up reply actions  

he doesn't have to be a savior

Gannon was not that very good but was an MVP. He fit the system to a T. He was patient and was accurate enough to play small ball. Our team needs a guy that has a clear attitude problem and will not accept poor play. The rest is X’s and O’s that I don’t know. Maybe a veteran would not be so bad

by mcwagner on Jan 3, 2011 4:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Bingo ...

…You have to use the strengths of your players in your system and gradually develop your roster to fit into your vision , unlike what the Niner’s did with Alex , you draft a Qb at #1 , you best build a team around him and his abilities …!!

I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ...Jimmy Raye your no daisy ...!!

by Edggy on Jan 3, 2011 4:35 PM PST up reply actions  

the quick high % passing game...

hides a lot of offensive line deficiencies and keeps the chains moving at a steady rate. Playcallers have to make tons of adjustments on the fly to keep D’s honest.

by wbstylee on Jan 3, 2011 5:15 PM PST up reply actions  

His offense is quasi-WCO

Just like a lot of teams/coaches, he’s taken from the WCO and adapted it. The Bill Walsh playbook is not coming back, probably ever. The game has changed but the philosophy can remain.

by AptosNinerFan on Jan 3, 2011 4:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Is it?

I thought they had an offense a lot like what the current 49er offense is supposed to be… power running with a vertical passing game.

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by See Jay on Jan 3, 2011 4:47 PM PST up reply actions  

The difference is .... O Line , one is good and the other , well... not so good ...!!

I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ...Jimmy Raye your no daisy ...!!

by Edggy on Jan 3, 2011 4:50 PM PST up reply actions  

So does my New Years Eve posts...

about Baalke make sense now? Or was I just trolling?

Baalke Billick 2011

"Derek Smith is #1 in Backfield Penetrations"

by drummer on Jan 3, 2011 4:48 PM PST reply actions  

refresh my memory

Trust me, I have no idea either.
Nitwitter

by Tre9er on Jan 3, 2011 4:48 PM PST up reply actions  

You were one of them I think...

Just go back and search.

Baalke Billick 2011

"Derek Smith is #1 in Backfield Penetrations"

by drummer on Jan 3, 2011 4:52 PM PST up reply actions  

i'm lazy and a few beers deep

YOU go back and search!

Trust me, I have no idea either.
Nitwitter

by Tre9er on Jan 3, 2011 4:56 PM PST up reply actions  

You bastard.

Baalke Billick 2011

"Derek Smith is #1 in Backfield Penetrations"

by drummer on Jan 3, 2011 5:03 PM PST up reply actions  

thanks

from you, that seems a compliment

Trust me, I have no idea either.
Nitwitter

by Tre9er on Jan 3, 2011 5:05 PM PST up reply actions  

To you, it's a tweet of endearment.

Baalke Billick 2011

"Derek Smith is #1 in Backfield Penetrations"

by drummer on Jan 3, 2011 5:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Someone needs to make Harbaugh a offer he can't refuse.

The whole York family setup has a Godfather feel to it.
John – Vito Corleone
Jed – Michael Corleone
Baalke – Tom Hagen
Tomasula – Luca Brasi

by mrdev4 on Jan 3, 2011 5:26 PM PST reply actions  

John = Vito. Blasphemy.

Baalke Billick 2011

"Derek Smith is #1 in Backfield Penetrations"

by drummer on Jan 3, 2011 5:33 PM PST up reply actions  

From Barrows today

Lombardi also spoke with Bill Simmons on ESPN radio today and briefly touched on the dalliance with the 49ers. “I think their mind was made up to go internally and that’s the direction they want to go,” Lombardi said. Later he said, “At this point in my career, I think it’s important to go to the place that’s open to new ideas and new challenges and move forward.”

Read more: http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2011/01/lombardi-contin.html#ixzz1A1fw0WST

If that last line doesn’t scream to you that we are stuck in our ways and going down the same road I don’t know what will…SCARY

by hudd07 on Jan 3, 2011 5:35 PM PST reply actions  

Two topic trends to address: 1) Harbaugh's intentions, and 2) the Yorks willingness (or lack thereof) to spend money...

Regarding the first, in Sunday’s NY Times, and again today on NFL network, when asked about brother Jim’s intentions, John Harbaugh clearly stated he thought his brother would stay at Stanford where “his heart is”. Now I don’t know if he’s just playing the angle his brother wants him to play, but it sure seemed sincere. My heart tells me we’re all kidding ourselves about getting Harbaugh – not being negative, just have a feeling – based on the competitiveness of the marketplace and ‘niners dysfunctional recent past – the guy who seems to be #1 on everyone’s list isn’t gonna come here. I hope I’m wrong! Regarding the second, watching Eric Davis on the ‘niners post game show on Sunday, I was struck by his defense of the Yorks and their willingness to spend money. While I at first dismissed his defense of them as a guy wanting to keep his tv job next year (I assume the ’niners have a say in who hosts the show?), he did offer some real examples, e.g. paying off Singletary, re-signing VD and other priority players, etc. – he seemed pretty adamant about it. I’ve always assumed they were penny pinchers, but I don’t really know. Has anybody here done any real research into it to see what the ‘niners spend relative to other teams? Are they in fact cheap, or have they just been unwise with their spending for the ’niners? Would love to know as I think it’s going to have a huge impact on who they’re able to land as HC…

by mwright84 on Jan 3, 2011 5:44 PM PST reply actions  

HARBAUGH WONT GO TO MICHIGAN...

As much as there is a connection between the two, it won’t happen. Adam Schefter talked this morning on ESPN, saying there is a bad taste in Harbaugh’s mouth because a while back, Michigan denied him for a QB coach position, and went with someone else instead. Schefter said, Harbaugh still remembers that situation clearly, and will most likely won’t go with Michigan. So our biggest rival right now would be Broncos, because of Elway’s connection with Stanford…

by Giants49war on Jan 3, 2011 6:20 PM PST reply actions  

my take

at first, admittedly i was pro-harbaugh ..and i dont know if this will come to fruition or not, but if its at all possible, a billick/lewis tandem would be simply too good to turn down ..am i the only one feeling this way??? or are most of you still “harbaugh’s our guy” ..as i said, i dont know if any other recent developments have emerged to take them out of the running, but as long as that is a possibility i gota tell ya, i like those 2 over harbaugh anyday ..harbaugh should be second on the list after those 2, but of course, only if it was both of them ..either one by themself and i’d probably prefer harbaugh

by FortyNiner00 on Jan 3, 2011 6:25 PM PST reply actions  

I'm a fan of the Billick/Lewis combo platter

Experience and previous success + still have something to prove. I like it.

by mwright84 on Jan 3, 2011 6:53 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

bring on billick/ lewis!

the harbaugh talk is overdone. i like the idea of billick getting to coach up vernon dizzle, and marvin getting to coach up p willy illy fresh.

by t p on Jan 3, 2011 11:44 PM PST up reply actions  

and thats exactly the math i was using

by FortyNiner00 on Jan 3, 2011 7:00 PM PST reply actions  

well...

Jim Harbaugh got himself a few more million tonight. Not for the brilliantly called game tonight, but for the A+ swerve he put on Michele Tafoya. Awesome! Sign him up.

by wbstylee on Jan 3, 2011 9:08 PM PST reply actions  

Eddie D to Jed - Get 'er Done!

Lombardi and Harbaugh, sounds mighty good to me :) Add some Luck, keep Tomsula on board and we’re good to go.

by wellnesscoach on Jan 3, 2011 10:52 PM PST reply actions  

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