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Official NN Quarterback Thread 2.0
Our last quarterback thread was up to 391 comments and dropped off the front page so I thought open up a new quarterback thread. Please rec it up so we can keep it on the front page for a while. This thread is available for discussion about anything related to the 49ers QB position. It can be about Carson Palmer, Donovan McNabb, Alex Smith, or really any existing QB. Additionally, although we have our official draft discussion threads, you can use this to discuss college QBs.
The reason we have this is because the 49ers QB position is in extreme flux and I'd prefer we not have a bunch of Carson Palmer or Alex Smith FanPosts moving non-QB discussion off the front page list of Fan Posts. This allows us to focus the conversation in one area. We'll have front page posts about the QB position as well, but this FanPost is more of a running dialogue. So go to town.
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I don't care who is the QB
I just want someone who can complete a pass to the right team. It could even be Alex Smith.
Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
my dog <3
The thought of that almost makes one,
Want to throw oneself off a building.
by Natural Red on Jan 30, 2011 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
Yep
Thank the owners, the players association, the front office for two too many years of second chances, and the worst college crop of QB’s in a decade.
pretty much
If Alex left a year or two ago or if next year’s crop came out this year we would have gotten a different QB.
Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
my dog <3
It's not the college QB crop that's to blame.
We shouldn’t be in this situation 6 years down the road. We should have been drafting QBs for the future.
GB took Rodgers in the FIRST Round when they had a Hall of Fame QB. We had Alex Smith and did NOTHING to get our QBOTF. That’s nobody’s fault but McCloughan’s and Ownership.
Rodgers was taken because Farve was reaching the end, so the Packers had to select a QBOTF. We invested so much money in Alex we had to at least try and make it work. Also we had too many holes on the team to spend a pick on another QB.
by Geronimo916 on Jan 31, 2011 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
Favre played another 3 years at a high level, and they booted him only because he was waffling.
The point being, they still had 3 years with their Hall of Fame QB and STILL took a QB in the first round. We had a guy we paid a lot of money to, but not only did we not take a guy in the draft to teach like GB did, but we ran off all of his competition and now are stuck with an empty cupboard.
No.. Favre didn't.
The announcers crawl all over themselves to hold his jock.. but he’s been an interception machine… especially at the worst times.. for the last 5 years.
That’s why Green Bay was finished with him. When he was good enough to balance out making horrible throws into triple coverage they took the good with the bad.
Then they realized they didn’t have to since they had a pretty decent young guy in Rogers, and that was the beginning of the end for Favre in GB.
Are you serious?
His last year in Green Bay the team went 13-3 and Favre had a 66.5% completion (highest of his career up till then), threw for 4155 yards (3rd highest at that point), and threw for 28 TD’s and 15 INTs (one of lowest in his career). He has always been an INT machine, but the point is, his last year in Green Bay was DEFINITELY worthy of keeping him on another couple years.
The year they drafted Rodgers, they had finished 10-6, Favre completed 64.1% of his passes and tossed 30 TD’s to 17 INT’s. To say he was washed up, and they NEEDED Rodgers is crazy.
The Packers had a Hall of Fame QB, still playing at a high level, but saw the need, and value of bringing on the heir to the throne if you will. Something the Niners never did. Rodgers was NEVER drafted to hurry Favre out of town, he was taken because he was a steal at that pick, and they knew it’s never a bad thing to have mulitple starting caliber QBs on your team at one time. The Niners on the other hand, wanted to chase any competition at QB out of town.
Which all matters for jack...
He fails horribly when the whole season.. everything all those worthless stats built up to… is on the line.
That marvelous 13-3 season you talk about?
They just had to get past the 10-6 Giants and they would play in the Super Bowl.
In the 4th quarter and overtime, he was 4 for 10, 32 yards, 2 Ints. His last 4 drives netted 9 yards total. His last INT put NY in field goal range for the winning FG in overtime.
The year they drafted Rogers… don’t you remember they drew the 8-8 Vikings in the Wild Card game and got absolutely stomped… on the back of a 4 Interception day by Favre?
Do you even want to get into his epic collapse down the stretch with the Jets…. or his even more epic worthy drowning in the NFC Championship against the Saints?
He’s a liability. I don’t care if he throws for 80% and 12000 yards in the regular season leading me to 16-0… I know that wishy washy basterd is going to get into a big playoff game and throw 7 balls to the other team and send me home.
And Green Bay did too… and they had the balls to cut bait. Bravo for them.
Point being the same I said before. QB was not a need when they drafted Rodgers
However, we had a MAJOR need at QB and not only did we not draft a QB, but we traded any competition away.
I’m not going to get into an argument regarding Favre’s career. The Packers needed a QB much less than we did, yet they kept grabbing QBs to make sure they had options, the Niners did not. Which is why the Packers are in the Super Bowl, and we are in the worst QB situation in Niner history probably in the last two decades.
As for the 10-6 Giants? Really? You are saying the 10-6 Giants weren’t a very good team? The same team that won the Super Bowl upsetting the undefeated Patriots? I’m not calling the Packer’s season miraculous that year, but they were a good team, led by a good QB. Better than we were yet we STILL didn’t draft a QB even though we needed one.
We ignored and neglected the long term growth of the most important position on the team since we drafted Smith. Noone is saying we couldn’t have continued to start him, but we didn’t draft anyone as serious competition or that had any ability to solve our deficiency at that position.
You want to nit pick regarding Favre’s legacy, you are ignoring my point. We screwed up, even though we should have been taking QBs until the position was set, and even then, still should have if we got value. We have ignored that position since Alex Smith was drafted. 6 seasons of NOTHING in the farm system if you will.
Yep, I'm nitpicking Favre's legacy...
of failure.
Your main point is valid and I agree with it very much.
Which is why I’m harping on Favre and not your main point.
He’s an overrated glory hog that always falls apart in the big game… he has this whole freaking decade, and the Pack got tired of it.
Just like you say, they were smart, they planned ahead, they had other options.. so they cut bait.
I struggle when people make a great comment
and someone hops on and picks on a missed semi colon or something.
jed loves alex smith, watch- harbaugh will try him as starter next two years.............
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Feb 1, 2011 12:53 AM PST up reply actions
Ponder
Late 2nd (trade down) or early 3rd (trade up). Must have a vet too, will be Alex until someone better comes along…if possible.
Trust me, I have no idea either.
Nitwitter
by Tre9er on Jan 30, 2011 12:12 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Yeah...
While I’m not really excited about any of the QB prospects in this years draft, I think taking Ponder in the 3rd round is the best bet. We would definitely want to bring in a capable vet to play right away though.
True he has had injuries...
but he looks healthy now and everyone is one big hit away from getting that “injury prone” tag attached to them.
that and the choking when the games got close
Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
my dog <3
How much of that was...
him, and how much of it was that Florida St. simply isn’t very good anymore? I’ll be honest I’m not really one to buy into saying someone is a “loser” or “choke artest” it’s all a matter of timing.
I mean Elway was the biggest choker in the world and then won 2 straight superbowls, P. Manning couldn’t win a playoff game to save his life then won a superbowl. Heck, the best example is J. Zabransky the old QB from Boise St. He was awful in big games then happened to pull off the most amazing win in college football history against the Sooners in the Fiesta bowl. I just don’t think being clutch is a measurable talent/skill.
In the end I could care less about Ponder but after watching a lot of college football, all the senior bowl practices and then the game itself, he’s the only guy that really looked half decent to me. (Yes some of the other guys have potential too)
ponder
mallett, gabbert, newton, devlin, locker, dalton, stanzi, kaepernick. im not saying they’re all gonna do something or anything in the nfl, but theres no arguing that the qb position is actually decently deep this draft
Harbaugh represents the past, present, and future of the 49ers. Oh and the Giants won the World Series.
by nhlogan on Jan 30, 2011 4:28 PM PST up reply actions
It's deep but
it’s not nearly as top heavy as some previous QB years. Every guy that could be thought of as a legit first rounder also has a knock against him that could drop him out of the first round.
It may be deep.
But there isn’t any elite talent. And they all have one, or multiple, issues.
I survived the David Carr Press Conference Thread 3/06/2010
And Harbamania. And the San Francisco Giants 2010 World Series season.
by Hoopers Judge on Jan 30, 2011 4:33 PM PST up reply actions
Overall
I just don’t think anyone is worth the 7th pick of the first round. From a value stand point we should look to take our QB in the 2nd round or later.
Man
they spit this crap every year about the QB class. Next year always looks better.
Repeating something over and over doesn't make it true.
If if there wasn't sorry ass Mallett
dragging this crop down, it might be better.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 31, 2011 6:54 AM PST up reply actions
zomg you are very clever
unfortunately the stats don’t back up your assertion. so alas, you are just spitting crap.
Repeating something over and over doesn't make it true.
Stats?
’cause they are the end all be all, right?
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
yeah,
so they should be completely ignored when it suits you?
Repeating something over and over doesn't make it true.
Mark Sanchez was a statistical monster at the start of the season
But even with his tremendous offensive line and great running attack he still stinks.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 2, 2011 12:52 AM PST up reply actions
One thing is for sure, there are no Sam Bradford's, Matt Ryan's, or even Josh Freeman's in this draft.
Depending on if some of the juniors declare next year, it’s by far going to be a better class of QB’s in 2012.
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
+1...he's not Greg Oden..gets hurt just walking....
As far as I can tell, he just got injured his senior year. Besides, he made some nice NFL type throws in the Senior Bowl…and one mean duck.
by ericalancanty on Jan 30, 2011 8:22 PM PST up reply actions
orton for a 4th and a late round future pick...
and consider taking patrick devlin the second. ponder is made of cotton candy.
by ratumike on Jan 30, 2011 12:46 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
That'd be as high as I would want to go
Don’t want to give any more than a 4th for any vet player. If we were able to get Orton for that I’d be pleased as punch by the way.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 30, 2011 1:53 PM PST up reply actions
Orton for a 4th would be a steal... The Bronco's might be that dumb haha
If we trade 4th or lower for a QB our only realistic options would be Josh Johnson/McNabb/Young
by Killin Me Smalls on Jan 30, 2011 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
McNabb would not be bad
at the 4th you speak of. I think any of these deals would have a bit of “juice” added to them with a conditional extra pick next year based on how well they do.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 30, 2011 2:16 PM PST up reply actions
True about that "Juice"... Just so have the trading team can save face if our new QB blows up.
Redskins have lost a lot of leverage with McNabb because of the situation with Shannahan. I can see a team giving up more than a 4th for him just because of star power. AZ comes to mind, a “make Fitz happy” move.
by Killin Me Smalls on Jan 30, 2011 2:22 PM PST up reply actions
Fitz is too smart to actually believe McNabb is any good.
Fitz wants Orton, Alex or Kolb
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 31, 2011 6:55 AM PST up reply actions
Orton will not be available for anything less than a second, and I don't think they will even trade him.
John Fox is not stupid enough to significantly worsen his new team by getting rid of a very solid quarterback in favor of Tim Tebow.
by SanFranciscoKnights on Jan 30, 2011 9:59 PM PST up reply actions
When teams start gameplanning him
He’ll be in trouble
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 31, 2011 6:56 AM PST up reply actions
Tebow isn’t accurate and doesn’t have great arm strength. I think he has a place in the NFL because of his drive and athleticism, but not as a starting quarterback in my opinion.
by SanFranciscoKnights on Jan 31, 2011 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
Pretty much any QB trade has to be similiar to this deal
Giving up 2nd and even 3rd round picks would critically cripple our draft prospects especially if we are still searching for a QBOTF.
by asmithisaverage on Jan 31, 2011 7:21 AM PST up reply actions
Im all for going after Palmer
And drafting a young QB.
The Niners need someone who can step in right now and add stability to the QB position. An old Carson Palmer is still better then anything the Niners have had for a looooong time.
He's only 31, not even that old for a QB
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1. Von Miller LB Texas A&M 2. Brandon Harris CB Miami (or Best CB Available) 3. Christian Ponder QB Florida State 4a. Sione Fua DT/NT Stanford 4b. Noel Devine RB West Virginia 5. Owen Marecic FB Stanford 6a. Jarvis Jenkins DE34 Clemson 6b. Alex Linnenkohl C Oregon State (or best C available) 7. Tyrod Taylor QB Virginia Tech
Palmer had the same QB rating as Smith last year...how is that better.
Palmer has declined every year over the last 5 years.
by ericalancanty on Jan 30, 2011 8:24 PM PST up reply actions
Palmer is a risk
But there is a lot of baggage that would be left in Cincinnati. Again, can’t trade the farm for Palmer, but a 4th round 2011 pick and a conditional 2012 pick is the best we should offer.
by asmithisaverage on Jan 31, 2011 7:23 AM PST up reply actions
As long as we draft a QB of the future
I just want someone who will do the job until we have a young guy who can step in
Alex , sign him NOW Five year's 60 million , let's do this ...!!
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THE MOCK DRAFT SIG RETURNS!
1. Von Miller LB Texas A&M 2. Brandon Harris CB Miami (or Best CB Available) 3. Christian Ponder QB Florida State 4a. Sione Fua DT/NT Stanford 4b. Noel Devine RB West Virginia 5. Owen Marecic FB Stanford 6a. Jarvis Jenkins DE34 Clemson 6b. Alex Linnenkohl C Oregon State (or best C available) 7. Tyrod Taylor QB Virginia Tech
The CBA really is the biggest hurdle, but ignoring that.....
We really should put a target on UFA Seneca Wallace! I would not to be too enthusiastic about him starting but as a baseline, worst case scenario, we can do much much worse. Especially if we trade and lose a pick.
by Killin Me Smalls on Jan 30, 2011 2:24 PM PST reply actions
Seneca would be good UFA but as a backup
or Kellen Clemens as I noted in other posts has some good WCO characteristics. Vet, one of those guys UFA, and a rookie to sit back and learn.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 30, 2011 2:36 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know much about Clemens
I’m open to it though
by Killin Me Smalls on Jan 31, 2011 1:31 PM PST up reply actions
Clemens SUCKS!!! C’mon he got beat out by a rookie who had only 1 year of college experience. Clemens the vet. who was in the same pro. offensive system for 4 years, got beat out by a rookie with just 1 year of college experience. The Same guy who this year ended up as the 3rd qb. Jets felt the need to go get a washed up Mark Brunell who the Saints didn’t want any more to be the back up. They didn’t trust Clemens enough to be the back up after being there and in the same system all this time. NO THANK YOU!!!!
by bmcrae83@yahoo.com on Feb 1, 2011 2:45 AM PST up reply actions
I'd rather have Troy Smith.
Smith actually has a higher upside than Wallace, who will only ever be a backup.
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Ugh T. Smith
Noooo way. He forces it way too much, he had some big plays but they were bad decisions that just worked out. His upside is a mirage. He doesn’t know the system etc.
by Killin Me Smalls on Jan 31, 2011 12:37 PM PST up reply actions
He's a back-up QB with some mobility skills and a decent arm.
And he’s a big upgrade over, say, David Carr. It’s not like he’ll demand tons of money. Why do you think Wallace is better than T. Smith?
Semi Worst Case Mock Draft: 1-Car: Fairley 2-Den: Petersen 3-Buff: Miller 4-Cinn: Green 5-Ari: Locker 6-Cle: Dareus 7-SFO: Quinn/Amukamara?
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Wallace has 8 years in a WCO and he's much much better in the pocket than T. Smith
T. Smith as a number 3 option maybe. Smith Vs. Carr is a wash but we’d have to eat some of Carr’s contract. Wallace is a solid number 2 and maybe under-rated as a number while we groom a rookie.
by Killin Me Smalls on Jan 31, 2011 1:31 PM PST up reply actions
I hate responding to my own comments but...
I will add the fact that Holmgren had him BOTH in Seattle and Cleveland. That should say something right there. Holmgren’s resume with QBs speaks for itself.
Don’t want Wallace he’s even shorter than T. Smith. IF we’re saying T. Smith is too short and can’t play from the pocket then why would anybody want Wallace.
by bmcrae83@yahoo.com on Feb 1, 2011 2:55 AM PST up reply actions
I'm not saying Troy is too small.
I’m saying Troy is inaccurate. He does the same stuff Troy does (rolling out of the pocket, etc…) but does it more accurately.
They both have their faults, and I’m not saying Wallace is my #1 pick, just that I’d take Wallace over Smith.
True but to me they seem like bigger problems
by Killin Me Smalls on Jan 31, 2011 10:47 PM PST up reply actions
Doesn't seem very accurate, Defenses figured him out pretty easily, Thinks his arm is stronger than it really is.
- maybe for the but he should be competing with a UDFA.
by Killin Me Smalls on Jan 31, 2011 11:53 PM PST up reply actions
I thought he was accurate. His problem seemed to be progressions or knowing his check downs. He refused to check down which actually worked in some games.
It's Whore-baugh, remember?
Not accurate
He finished the year just BARELY above 50% completion percentage if I remember right. Not accurate.
Defenses figuring him out
was because he had a limited playbook.
PS: #1 and #3 are the same knock.
by asmithisaverage on Feb 1, 2011 9:36 AM PST up reply actions
The Niners had a limited playbook.
Troy had 1 great game and came crashing back to Earth FAST.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 2, 2011 12:56 AM PST up reply actions
For all those who want Palmer or Vince Young...
What part of they still have a contract do you guys not understand. They are still owed large sums of money. Not only would we have to give up valuable draft picks to grab someones cast-offs, but in the case of those two we would owe them lots and lots of money. People around here are just throwing their names out, especially Palmer. He has like 3 or 4 years left on his contract, he is owed tons of moolah.
We all want a fix for our team, but trading picks for guys who are owed substantial amounts of cash is not the way to go. People seem to lose sight of the fact that these guys will cost us on two fronts, not just in draft picks. To me it all just seems a little ridiculous the way people are clamoring for carson Palmer or VY without really thinking things through
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QB is the highest paid position in the NFL
Neither of those players would effect the 49ers cap situation. They will be paying $10-$12 mil + to somebody.
It's Whore-baugh, remember?
Anyone pulling for a VY/Palmer trade would call a restructure of their contracts an obvious prerequisite.
That’s just common sense. You might as well call out people wanting Kolb and say “He’s only under contract for one year. Why trade for him just to have him hit the market?” Because we would extend Kolb, obviously.
Palmer would be down in a heartbeat, he’s already threatening to retire. VY would be harder cus I can see him having an ego thinking he could get a high price on the market. Any team willing to give up a pick for him would be willing to out pay other teams, most likely. For VY though it falls more on him, if he wants to go to that team he would take a pay cut. I read that 10 days after the league year starts he’s supposed to get a huge bonus, I’m sure he’ll be cut on the 9th day after the league year. If he’s not traded first.
by Killin Me Smalls on Jan 30, 2011 3:54 PM PST up reply actions
What part of they still have a contract do you guys not understand.
And said contracts can be restructured if the player wants to remain on the team.
I survived the David Carr Press Conference Thread 3/06/2010
And Harbamania. And the San Francisco Giants 2010 World Series season.
by Hoopers Judge on Jan 30, 2011 3:56 PM PST up reply actions
Here is a new idea
How about sign Vick and give up the draft pick. If Kolb is going to cost a #1 anyways why not spend the #1 on a probowl QB
by Mr. Jesse From Anchorage, AK on Jan 30, 2011 7:09 PM PST reply actions
Then draft Colin Kaepernick
He can sit for 3 or 4 years behind VIck (30 years old) unless he plays because of injury and learn the offense and quickening up his release.
by Mr. Jesse From Anchorage, AK on Jan 30, 2011 7:12 PM PST up reply actions
that's won't work because
They have franchised or will franchise him and will not be giving him up. It would take 3 #1s or so to talk them out of him and even then probably not.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 30, 2011 7:22 PM PST up reply actions
I believe
It takes a #1 plus you sign them to a new contract
by Mr. Jesse From Anchorage, AK on Jan 31, 2011 12:31 AM PST up reply actions
At the start of last year
they said all they’d take for Kolb was 2 #1’s and I’m guessing they value Vick more highly. So that’s my guess 3 #1’s
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 1, 2011 4:30 PM PST up reply actions
3 #1s?
No way. I’d rather take 3 first round QBs back to back to back than Kolb. That’s crazy. He hasn’t proven himself yet.
He is good, but yikes. I think he goes for a 1st and change, or like a 2nd and 5th or something. No way they get our 7th pick out of us this year. Maybe late first.
still not worth it
no one is worth 3 firsts. Unless his name is Peyton Manning.
Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
my dog <3
And that's only if you have every other peice in place for a long time.
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Feb 2, 2011 12:57 AM PST up reply actions
Actually it would still be worth.
Peyton could make any offense better.
Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
my dog <3
Not saying it's worth it LOL
That’s my point. They at this moment in time are going to overprice their guys. There is a “mystery” (or something) about Kolb. I myself don’t see or believe in it. I really don’t see him as worth what he’s being purported to be offered at. With Vick there is a mystique that he is a new breed of quarterback. That’s what got VY and Jamarcus drafted as high as they were. Again I don’t see it with him either (surely not at that huge of a price point). And we are not a team that is “one player away” from really anything except maybe a playoff berth (or at least division win) and even that may be a stretch. We need a QB of the future. We also need a QB of the right now. That QB of the right now might end up being the QB of our past (Smith) but that is just an interim bridge. We still have more than a few other needs on this team.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 3, 2011 5:39 PM PST up reply actions
this is misinformation
the eagles former GM who went to Cleveland as GM said he would give up two 1sts for Kolb. the eagles andtom heckert were not in serious talks, considering the eagles were dead set on going forward with Kolb.
by SuburbanElite on Feb 5, 2011 9:13 AM PST up reply actions
From Wiki:
There are two types of franchise tag designations: the exclusive rights franchise tag, and non-exclusive rights franchise tag:
An “exclusive” franchise player must be offered a one-year contract for an amount no less than the average of the top five salaries at the player’s position as of a date in April of the current year in which the tag will apply, or 120 percent of the player’s previous year’s salary, whichever is greater. Exclusive franchise players cannot negotiate with other teams.
A “non-exclusive” franchise player must be offered a one-year contract for an amount no less than the average of the top five salaries at the player’s position in the previous year, or 120 percent of the player’s previous year’s salary, whichever is greater. A non-exclusive franchise player may negotiate with other NFL teams, but if he signs an offer sheet from another team, the original team has a right to match the terms of that offer, or if it does not match the offer and thus loses the player, is entitled to receive two first-round draft picks as compensation.
In other words, chances of getting Vick == 0.
THE MOCK DRAFT SIG RETURNS!
#7 pick shall be swapped with Philadelphia (#23) for Kevin Kolb.
1. Cameron Jordan DE California 2. Brandon Harris CB Miami (or Best CB Available) 3. Austin Pettis WR Boise State 4a. Sione Fua DT/NT Stanford 4b. Noel Devine RB West Virginia 5. Owen Marecic FB Stanford 6a. Best CB or FS available 6b. Best Center available 7. Tyrod Taylor QB Virginia Tech
And tears come to my eyes
Well that is one thing Sing WOULD have gotten right… he did want to sign him… We missed out on a MVP candidate/Pro-bowl QB to keep it PC…
by Mr. Jesse From Anchorage, AK on Feb 2, 2011 4:51 PM PST up reply actions
Nice research
By the way I was wondering about that
by Mr. Jesse From Anchorage, AK on Feb 2, 2011 4:53 PM PST up reply actions
Peyton Manning is a free agent!!!!
Get er done
by Killin Me Smalls on Jan 30, 2011 7:29 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Ok...
now let’s come back down to earth, ok? LOL
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 30, 2011 7:46 PM PST up reply actions
just kicked the stool out under my feet.
Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
my dog <3
Seriously
$20m offer seems reasonable.
by asmithisaverage on Jan 31, 2011 7:24 AM PST up reply actions
Something I keep forgeting about Alex Smith
When we drafted him in 05 we had McCarthy. McCarthy runs a WCO right? That means Smith was drafted thinking we would be running a WCO for the foreseeable future. I’m sure the type of offense we would be running would have been a factor in the scouting and decision to draft Smith. Then we we’re able to get Turner and we went to his system because he was such a good coach. Then Nolan went to Martz trying to save his job. Then Sing went to Raye cus Sing doesn’t know what the hell he’s doing. Easy to forget that we drafted Smith with the intention of running a WCO. Now we’re going back to a WCO……….
by Killin Me Smalls on Jan 30, 2011 9:03 PM PST reply actions
I forgot about that scrub after Turner
On purpose I think
by Killin Me Smalls on Jan 30, 2011 9:04 PM PST up reply actions
Smith struggled..
as well as the rest of the team under McCarthy’s scheme. Nolan would have been better off keeping Rattay to help settle the offense. Instead, he traded him and put Smith into the fire making his first start against Peyton. Bad idea.
Turner brought an easier offense for Smith and the rest of the offense. Simply by using the real weapon in Gore. The WCO was scrapped for Turner’s version of the Coryell based Zampese offense. Hostler tried to toss in some WCO into Turner’s offense, and Martz runs his version of the Coryell. I think Jimmy Raye may have used some of the principles of the Coryell as well, but the 49ers have used the Digital offense since Turner.
So forget everything about Smith and the WCO. It looked to be a bad fit with McCarthy’s year in SF. As well as a bad fit for Smith.
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All thats true but...
I was focusing on Alex’s skill set as a prospect heading into the ‘05 draft. Smith would’ve failed in any system his rookie year. He was drafted to be a WCO QB. Could he be a better in an west coast scheme now that’s he better adjusted to the speed of the game?
by Killin Me Smalls on Jan 31, 2011 12:11 AM PST up reply actions
Well..
Smith’s skillset seems to fit Turner’s offense better, which Turner actually watered down a bit in 2006. Smith’s skill set also fit better in Raye’s spread last season. The bottom line is Smith has a limited skill set. Most of the offenses were tailored around it. The only offense that wasn’t was McCarthy’s and Martz’s, and Smith didn’t have much of chance with Martz (and looked real bad executing it with the limited exposure he had with it).
Saying Smith was drafted to be a WCO QB is like saying Gore was drafted to be a WCO RB. Turner’s offense was where they both played better.
My guess is Smith will still struggle with any new scheme where he has to make fast decisions with multiple reads and throws. No matter if it’s the WCO or not. Timing and accuracy aren’t in Smith’s toolbag.
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Smith fit Turners offense?
Saying Smith was drafted to be a WCO QB is like saying Gore was drafted to be a WCO RB.
Apples and Oranges.
I don’t think he fit Turners system at all. Turner morphed it around Smith, cus he’s a good coach. After he left we kept with versions of the digit system for some illusion of continuity but it’s bogus, Smith really was mismanaged. Think of Rivers, he seems to have a gunslinger mentality and Smith is drastically different. Smith won’t try to throw his guys open deep and a WCO might be more comfortable for him with his playing style. Hopefully improving his timing and confidence. Its hard to find scouting reports from 05, I was only able to find two but they both mention Smith fitting best in a WCO. http://football.about.com/od/playerprofiles/p/alexsmith.-Gwn.htm & http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2005/draft/players/63700.html
I think its best to move on but with the CBA uncertainty and other QB options this year……
by Killin Me Smalls on Jan 31, 2011 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
Both of those articles..
posted that he might be better served in an offense like the WCO due to his arm. I mean:
The junior from Utah doesn’t possess the strongest arm in the draft and might fit best in a West Coast style of offense, but he can make all the throws to be successful in the NFL, and he remains accurate when he’s on the run. He has good, quick footwork, sound mechanics, and a high release point.
Well, that report missed the mark as many times Smith does.
ANALYSIS: A natural leader that does an excellent job running the offense, Smith has been very productive the past two years. Stays away from mistakes and has a tremendous touchdown-to-interception ratio. Does not have a deep passing arm just yet but would be initially effective in a timing or West Coast offense as he grows into a pro passing game.
These read like Bizzaro scouting reports on Smith, who has proved the antithesis of said reports after his years in the NFL. Most of the offense Smith had in SF were modified to take advantage of the longer and more intermediate routes. Even against SD this season, Hack Johnson didn’t install hardly anything underneath or adjust to SD’s defense taking away all of the deep routes. Even Raye’s “All Go Run in a Straight Line” spread was more effective for Smith, rather than a short controlled passing attack. Last season, there were two almost disparate offenses when it came to who was behind center. It was pure Schizo offense all season long too.
Smith at this later point in his career doesn’t seem like a few tweaks here and there will quick fix his deficiencies. It’s either tailor to offense to his limitations, or break him down almost completely and start from scratch. It doesn’t mean Harbaugh can’t fix him. It means if that Smith struggles with the offense and or isn’t confident in running it, and I mean REAL confident, the rest of the offense struggles with him. With the rub lies is that this hurts the offense in the long term, rather than find a QB who already knows the WCO and can run it. It also means if Smith once again struggles as a starter with an offensive HC, he could be toast in the future as a viable starter in the NFL due to perception, which ain’t good for his confidence.
My take is: if Smith sees an opportunity in SD as a backup with Turner, go for it. He seems to fit with his offense better, will have time to absorb the offense as a backup, and is in the friendlier environment of being a hometown guy. He will be vilified in SF if he struggles, and that isn’t good for the Franchise as a whole. Every season there is some sort of controversy with Smith in SF. It’s best to let that go.
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The interesting point is
We havn’t ever really run a WCO timing based offense for him. We did his first year but he was so raw it’s ridiculous. Urban Meyer even said he would be completely ineffective until he had mastered the offense. I think we all saw that in his rookie season. I just really wonder what would have happened if he had been groomed in the WCO from the beginning.
I have read reports that stated McCarthy actually wanted Smith over Rodgers in that WCO and so I wonder what he saw in him, that we havn’t been able to unlock. Obviously switching from offense to offense hurt him in many ways, but it does seem interesting that McCarthy preferred him over Rodgers in a WCO and now we are going to run one.
I think Smith is by far the best option AVAILABLE (and no I don’t consider Orton or Kolb available). If he walks in FA we are stuck with Carr, and whichever rookies we signed. That’s scary. As much as we hate Smith, he is our best option, until we have something better. I think we could sign him for 2 years, and I think if Harbaugh stepped out and basically said “Listen, Alex Smith has a clean slate with this team, he is going to take time to get up to speed, so let’s give him some room to work”, I think it would go a LONG way with the fan base.
Who is willing..
to wait another year or so for Smith to “get it”? Especially watching a QB who the 49ers could have pursued in lieu of Smith go the the playoffs?
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I think we still have to draft a QB
But even if we do, that guy has a year at LEAST before he helps us on the field. Smith would be at least serviceable next year.
I don’t think we can get Orton or Kolb. I’m not convinced their price tags won’t be crazy. I’d like a Ponder or Devlin or someone, which is a developmental guy, but don’t want to pass on Smith who would be our best option.
If Kolb is available with say a 2nd rounder, I’m all for him, but #7 for Kolb? That’s pushing it. Two 1st rounders, pushing it. Maybe a 2nd and a 6th, but I think even IF we trade for Kolb, we still probably should bring Smith back. I know it’s not likely, because Smith probably wants to hit the road, and probably should, I’m just saying there aren’t a lot of options that are better than him.
I’m not saying that if we bring Smith back, we stop our search. We still need a rookie or even Kolb.
How about something like
swapping kolb and the 23rd for the 7?
The Eagle’s don’t necessarily need a pick for player, but could do a swap.
by SuburbanElite on Feb 1, 2011 1:27 PM PST up reply actions
I'd love it
But I don’t think they take it. I don’t think they trade Kolb just to move up 16 spots.
I guess it depends on who is there, but I don’t see it. Let’s put this into perspective. We grab Von Miller at that spot, and the Eagle’s grab say Jimmy Smith with that pick. Do you think they would trade Kevin Kolb, AND Jimmy Smith for Von Miller. That’s essentially what that pick is doing.
I could see them switching spots, AND requiring us to give up our 2nd and 3rd rounder.
It's good value on the draft pick trade chart
It’s the equivalent of a late first rounder.
I’d give up one of our 4th rounders on top, but no more!
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#7 pick shall be swapped with Philadelphia (#23) for Kevin Kolb.
1. Cameron Jordan DE California 2. Brandon Harris CB Miami (or Best CB Available) 3. Austin Pettis WR Boise State 4a. Sione Fua DT/NT Stanford 4b. Noel Devine RB West Virginia 5. Owen Marecic FB Stanford 6a. Best CB or FS available 6b. Best Center available 7. Tyrod Taylor QB Virginia Tech
Kolb is looking like he could take multiple first rounders
Schefter stated he could take 2 first rounders. That’s a far cry from just switching firsts.
It’s not a draft chart equation here when you are putting in a player. What is that player worth? Is Kolb only worth 15 spots or whatever in draft position? No way. Now trading pick for pick, it makes sense, but I think you are forgetting the value of Kolb in the equation.
Too much
I would rather gamble that Jim can develop a rooking and work with a vet until the rookie is ready. I would rather have Vince Young then give up two first rounders for a player who cannot not even hold on to a starting job.
by Mr. Jesse From Anchorage, AK on Feb 2, 2011 4:55 PM PST up reply actions
I'm hoping Kolb goes for like a 2nd and 3rd
Or a late first in 2012 maybe? Maybe something like 2nd and 3rd unless he hits certain numbers then it bumps to a 1st or something?
Like 2nd and 3rd, but if he plays 80% of snaps, and we make the playoffs, it bumps to a first and 3rd. Kind of like Cromarties deal.
You would be wiling
To give up a second and a 3rd for player that last year had 7 touchdowns and 7 interceptions, a 60.8% completion rate, and a QB rating of 76.1? Oh and if we want to look at his career stats (if you could call 19 games a career) then we have 11 touchdowns and 14 Ints, a 60.8% completion rate, and a 73.2 QB rating.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 3, 2011 5:51 PM PST up reply actions
Straight stat lines are retarded to look at come on now.
He’s never had three consecutive starts. He’s played in relief in games where the Eagles offense couldn’t get anything going. He’s played in a meaningless week 17 game with a JV squad against Dallas starters.
Look at the games where he’s had time to prepare and build timing with his players.
check into that and come back and give me a stat line and I’ll laugh
by SuburbanElite on Feb 5, 2011 9:19 AM PST up reply actions
The stats were to show a quick point
They were not meant as the be all/end all of the discussion. And I’m not saying that Kolb is pure crap, I’m just saying that he is not worth a second round pick. And surely not a second and 3rd, but then again I’m stingy about draft picks. That’s because I’m not thinking this team is a win right now team, and I am more looking towards how to build for the long term.
You bring about a point that he has never had three consecutive starts, and that is on both sides of the conversation. Now would I make a trade for something(s) next year conditionally based on performance? Yes I would. I just don’t see paying a 2 and a 3 for a guy who as you say has never had 3 consecutive starts.
There, see no stats, unless you consider the stat you mentioned of never having 3 consecutive starts. :-) And laughing is a good thing, it keeps a guy healthy.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 5, 2011 10:21 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe I just think Smith is better than you do.
I just see a hole in your logic somewhere. You’re saying that we modified our offenses to fit his skill set. Yet he was better in our offense then he would be in a WCO. Even though we had to modify our offense for him. Not to put words in your mouth but that’s how I hear it. I don’t think we would have to modify a WCO at all.
Most of the offense Smith had in SF were modified to take advantage of the longer and more intermediate routes.I take that as a sign of mismanagement. He doesn’t have a rocket arm and he throws too many picks when he tries to push it. But he had a 118.8 QB rating in the red zone last year. Not to inflate that stat Inside the twenty you’re doing shorter throws and he has better stats. Something there shows reason to be optimistic about Smith in the WCO. Obviously the wells gone dry for a lot of fans and for good reason. But Harbaugh coming going in there with fresh eyes, who knows?
He will be vilified in SF if he struggles, and that isn’t good for the Franchise as a whole. Every season there is some sort of controversy with Smith in SF. It’s best to let that go.
That’s truth though.
by Killin Me Smalls on Jan 31, 2011 11:28 PM PST up reply actions
I dunno if using Red Zone stats qualifies anything..
for the WCO as far as short passes and routes. You’d have to put the number of trips to the Red Zone, how many TD passes, defensive adjustments, etc., to flesh out that point a bit. Shaun Hill is a short range passer, and it was between the 20’s where he had more problems. If short range passing is a key, then Hill would make a better WCO QB, since he can actually make more reads and throws within it. Heck, his first two games with the 49ers made Hostler/Tollner’s offense looked functional. Tollner I think used a bit of WCO.
The problem with Smith is between the 20’s, and rarely did you see a methodical drive from Smith, and there is a whole lot of truth where his short range passes are pretty sub par. Despite the Red Zone rating, you would have to look at stats within 20 yards, and 10 yards, how many TDs, etc. I don’t find the rating useful when it comes to evaluating Smith in the WCO. Not if we don’t show how many trips they made into the RZ, and how issues like ST’s come into play, defense, etc.
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Yeah I didn't want to inflate that red zone stat but it's food for thought
I’m mostly trying to put myself in the shoes of Baalke or Harbaugh. It’s easy and logical to cut ties but I’m not sold that there is a sure fire immediate upgrade in the draft or FA. CBA considerations as well.
by Killin Me Smalls on Feb 1, 2011 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
It's a good stat..
but it also reflects other parts of the the total offense as well.
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It was a bad fit
because we were still the 2005 Niners. Which means we were just plain BAD
Gimme 1 round!
by ItBurnzWhenIP on Jan 31, 2011 7:00 AM PST up reply actions
Wow when you think about it
and I’m not thinking Smith so much as the rest of the offense..from how you said it (and I’d say pretty correctly) it went WCO, Coryell, WCO, Coryell, Raye. Talk about discontinuity..And here yet again we are going WCO. I think I’ve seen tennis balls go back and forth less during a tennis game.
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 1, 2011 4:49 PM PST up reply actions
What was the 2nd WCO?
WCO with McCarthy, Coryell with Turner, Hostler came next, and he came in because Turner left last minute and we couldn’t change our offense so he was promoted to run the same offense. So actually it went Coryell again, then Martz.
IIRC, Hostler tried to add in...
a little WCO, and I think Tollner had a bit in there as well.
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Thanks drummer
Saved me some typing :-)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 3, 2011 5:53 PM PST up reply actions
Yes
Its true but Alex Smith was a spread offense QB in college and has struggled for many years in many pro systems including the WCO.
by asmithisaverage on Jan 31, 2011 7:26 AM PST up reply actions
The Future
I just don’t see us trading for Carson Palmer just because their owner(?) has already stated he’s not trading him. Supposedly, Palmer is a big part of what they’re going to do next over in Cincinnati.
I REALLY don’t want to trade for Kolb if we have to give up more than just a first rounder for him because he’s hardly a proven commodity. I’d rather have us fill in other parts of our team with those picks.
Kyle Orton doesn’t really excite me as a QB. If we wanted a game manager, I’d rather get Shaun Hill back if possible but QBs are so essential to the game now, we need a legit QB. WE PLAY TO WIN THE GAME!!
Honestly, I really see Alex Smith coming back to the Niners just for next year at a 1 year deal. With no CBA in sight, I can’t see AS waiting around and hoping to get a job somewhere else when I highly doubt he’d get a job this second even if we had a CBA to talk about. Now don’t get me wrong, I don’t like Smith just as much as the next person but we need someone to take the hits now so Harbaugh can develop whoever we draft this year. He might not be able to execute a screen pass but he sure can take a beating!
Like most have already speculated, I don’t see us drafting a QB with the 7th pick in the draft. Even if we trade back into the teens, I still don’t see us drafting a QB. I haven’t seen enough college ball to throw a name out there but I do think we’d take a QB in the later rounds. Any names out there that have high potential but extremely raw a la Anthony Davis?
Screw 2010, hoping to get LUCKy in 2011.
Smith will get a job
Take that to the bank. It won’t be a guaranteed starting gig, but a LOT of great teams would bring him in to be the #2 in a heartbeat. Think Chargers, and Colts no problem. I have to say, that would be VERY enticing if I were Smith.
I think they will bring him back due to the CBA but we won’t know more until March. Even still, he may just want out because if he re-signs for a year, there will be a HUGE crop of FA coming out then and it won’t be beneficial for him.
He either signs for 2 years here, or he bounces. I think he bounces.
Smith could maybe start....maayyyybe.
He would be an upgrade to the Panthers situation, the Raiders, the Dolphins, the Browns, etc. There’s prob one or two more teams in that equation too.
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
I agree, it could possibly work out
But I just don’t see smith starting in Oakland or Cleveland. Isn’t Al Davis in love with the big arm? Smith doesn’t have the arm that Jason campbell has. And I think Cleveland is committed to the Colt McCoy project seeing how he did surprisingly well last season.
I could see Carolina picking up smith because I don’t think Clausen is the answer. I’m not too sure what the situation is with Henne though. Was he terrible in Miami this year? Last I remember, he was at least decent
Screw 2010, hoping to get LUCKy in 2011.
by Rawr :) on Feb 1, 2011 5:25 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I'm not so sure that Cleveland is totally committed to McCoy. If something better came along, I don't think Holmgren would be closed minded to it.
McCoy is more of just a game manager. I don’t think he will be much more, but then again you never know.
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
I had a dream last night that Carson Palmer was wearing Red&Gold.
He was wearing #9 and the 49ers were playing in the NFC title game against the Atlanta Falcons.
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
What's that supposed to mean?
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
And
hudd is Todd McShay or Tim Kawakami
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
I'd take his money, but thats about it
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
I'm sure he pulls chicks too...
I’d take that. Oh and he has nice suits. I wear a suit to work as well so I can appreciate a good suit. lol
I like suits too
But I don’t wear suits. Just a thing I enjoy like chocolate.
Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
my dog <3
That is the equivalent to a fanshot. What's your point?
Bleacher Report has some good writers over there. The ones that are actually paid to write.
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
Relax, it wasn't a shot at you..
More of a shot at Teh Bleecher Reportz under medicated hyperbole.
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LOL, I just remembered...
a pinned thread on a forum dedicated to Bleecher Report articles. It was freakin’ hilarious. There was an interview with Issac Bruce that was really creepy, with the interviewer asking Bruce weird questions.
That interview never happened. It was a hypothetical imaginary Interview with Issac Bruce with a fan that Bleecher Report still published, LOL.
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Anyone can write an article there. Just like here.
They didn’t publish it… I am sure it was just a FanPost type of deal. Anyone of these Niner fans on this board could do the same thing.
I just really don’t get the hatred for BR. I have found some really high quality stuff on there. I mean Fooch respects a lot of stuff over there too and I respect his opinions of where certain info comes from.
Bleacher Report should get a little more respect I think.
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
Not everybody has Front Page privilege...
I just wandered over there today out of curiosity, and saw a Front Page “article” where the author qualified one of his points in the comments that was pure Bwah! in reasoning. That would qualify as a Fanpost here, and you and I know that posting on the Front Page requires a lot more pragmatism, objectivity, and a solid idea weighed in facts and sensibility. That also leads to accountability, credibility, and it’s also vital to the integrity of the site we have the opportunity to contribute as Front Page writers.
Bleacher Report on the other hand seems to have contributors who probably used to post inane threads on fan forums, and they can post them as articles there like they do, well, an inane topic on a message board. Even the Fanpost section here has a bit of Moderation (and sometimes not enough given the flood of QB Fanposts the past week or so). Fair enough, I have the choice to browse BR or not, but there is just too much crap to sift through in order to find credible insight or information there. The Palmer article is an example of hyperbolic speculation that oddly enough had similar talking points here on the Fanpost section. Of course, the Palmer speculation was already posted here on th Front Page, but the author from what I remember didn’t put in absolutes or wild speculation of a NFC Championship game if Palmer was signed. Credit to the integrity of Fooch and others here. They kept it reasonable, and they do that with the other rumors and speculation that always happens during the off-season, and this one is worse due to the CBA negotiations.
Now, if this site decides to go in that direction (which I doubt they do), then I would go elsewhere, because what attracted me to this site was the integrity of it, and you are a big part of that with your Draft articles, which are stellar. Those are a lot more credible due to your hard work than an imaginary interview (which unfortunately wasn’t even done as parody) with a player, who still posed the wrong questions combined with poor research in that imaginary interview, LOL.
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I mean they have syndicated writers over there. They also have former newspaper columnist as well as journalist from major media sources. I think there are a few blogs here that probably don’t have much integrity as well. Everything has to be taken with a grain of salt. And there is always good mixed in with the bad.
Since Fooch posted that FanPost, I have been over there reading a bit more. And I have found some solid writers over there.
I mean I love watching ESPN. I don’t like every analyst over there though. I think some of the stuff is outright garbage.
So again, I just don’t understand the hatred for Bleacher Report. They do have some credible and solid writers over there. I actually have enjoyed reading some of the stuff over there.
And I appreciate the compliment about the draft stuff. I respect your work as well. It’s always an entertaining read. You should post more often.
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
B/R
I think the point drummer is making is like what Andrew9erfan made below oh so eloquently. The problem is finding the gems amidst some of the less than stellar stuff. I know some decent writers but they’ve been people I knew before they started writing for B/R and trust them as writers.
by David Fucillo on Feb 2, 2011 12:01 AM PST up reply actions
One 49er fan forum..
had a pinned thread of B/R articles. One of the members there (who runs a well known 49er blog) used to comment on a few of them, and one guy got pretty steamed at him because of the criticism. The article in question was real bad Singletary fluff crap, with all of the cliche’s, dogma, extravagant hyperbole, etc. Just think of a Vic The Brick Jacobs version of GeoMak. If you’ve never heard Vic The Brick, you’re very fortunate.
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I'm gonna fire up the word processor app..
later on down the road. The draft and all of the other stuff is enough to fill the space here, and I’m working on improving my skills and revamping the style a little bit.
Gonna brush up on some more Jim Murray for inspiration. Thanks though.
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Anyone can write an article there. Just like here.
They didn’t publish it… I am sure it was just a FanPost type of deal. Anyone of these Niner fans on this board could do the same thing.
I just really don’t get the hatred for BR. I have found some really high quality stuff on there. I mean Fooch respects a lot of stuff over there too and I respect his opinions of where certain info comes from.
Bleacher Report should get a little more respect I think.
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
my take on bleacher report
is that it’s like dropping a $5 bill down an outhouse. You know there’s value there somewhere but it’s just not worth sorting through the crap to get it.
I think they are in the process of restructuring things.
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
I like the draft guy on the bleacher report
He gives you nice scouting reports and if you tweet him he responds to questions you may have.
I do not like the slideshow presentation but as long as I am not on my Iphone I can tolerate it.
by Mr. Jesse From Anchorage, AK on Feb 2, 2011 4:58 PM PST up reply actions
I woke up before that.
I don’t even remember a score or anything.
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
Haha Idk
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
I dislike your dream then
not enough details.
Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
my dog <3
Sorry just remember Palmer on the sideline all pumped up because he just threw a touchdown.
He was getting everyone else fired up too and trying to rally the defense. It was nice to see that type of enthusiasm… even if just through a dream.
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
See if you can have the same dream and see if you see PP
Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
my dog <3
PP Von Miller and BB would be awesome
but that is near impossible
Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
my dog <3
I don't want to have to wash my sheets.
I’m good, LOL
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
Assuming there was a pun on “PP”
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
I meant it both ways
PP as in Patrick Peterson as it would be a dream come true.
And PP as in “wet dream” kind of stuff.
Long removed from being a teenager.
It would be cool to have Patrick Peterson as a 49er next year though.
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
Buys you a book on Lucid dreaming.
You need to remember more LOL. I hear ya though my friend. :-)
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 1, 2011 4:56 PM PST up reply actions
I usually do, haha.
Just not this time around. But they are just dreams. I had a dream once that I was the kick return specialist for the Niners too, lol. Far from reality.
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
i had a dream that chuck norris was our QB. who would stop us? WHO WOULD STOP US!

"Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."
im gonna be all up on you like a spider monkey!
i can just see delonte west winning a game of poker against lebron, throwing down the cards he yells, "who's your daddy!"...."oh, sorry man"
by remembering9ergods on Feb 3, 2011 7:34 PM PST up reply actions
How's he gonna throw the ball...
if he’s holding two guns in his hand?LOL
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Feb 5, 2011 10:21 AM PST up reply actions
Totally unrelated question
I have a 1987 Jerry Rice Topp’s card that isn’t numbered, but has a “K” on it….it’s yellow around the edges….I have looked all over on the internet and can’t find a price guide for it….has anyone heard of it or know anything about it?
My Oh My
hudd07 is 14…bignerd speaks for itself….riot thinks he’s actually funny..likely 13 and a half…..get a life geeks…
Hummm what's a swamp i e ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ...Jimmy Raye your no daisy ...!!
I have a Jerry Rice card im curious about
Huckelferry
Can you get a picture?
Maybe make it a fanshot?
Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
my dog <3
just one thing to consider regarding alex
I know most of you don’t think the play calling/coaching is enough of an excuse for his play, but consider Shaun Hill for a second. He wasn’t exactly playing great here either. Then he went to detroit and looked MUCH better. He certainly had enough weapons here to play like he did in detroit this year. I wonder what the difference could have been….
I just don’t think alex is as bad a QB as people make him out to be.
I agree
but I think Alex needs to go for a PR thing. I think it was the home Seahawks and Alex threw an incomplete pass and he was booed. That ended being one of the best games of his entire career. I think the average 49er fans is tired of Alex.
i definatly agree that he needs a change of scenery
the fans saw to that. It’s just irritating because I think he’s one of the better options for FA quarterbacks right now. I hope he goes on to do well somewhere else. He’s pretty much in a no win situation with the fans here.
by Andrew9erfan on Feb 1, 2011 10:12 PM PST up reply actions
I do think Harbaugh could but him some time though.
I agree with you guys, I think he needs a change of scenary. However, I think Harbaugh could say to the fans, “Look, he is the best option, can be a winner, I have faith in him, and give him some time” and I think that’s all we would need to hear to give Smith the benefit of the doubt.
I think it would be a split group.
Results are the only thing fans care about. If Alex started winning and showing a bit more leadership and enthusiasm, then I think the fans would support him.
If he started winning, I would have to go to a home game and start a chant, “We want Alex! We want Alex! We want Alex!” … I wonder if he would find any humor in that?
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
I agree
He will still have to win. But I don’t think we would be booing every incompletion in a game where he throttles the other team and has his best game.
I think it will buy him some time, but he would have to show us something by game 4 or so I’d say.
The thing I saw bad with Alex
Even when he completes passes he rarely leads players in stride, and that is the accuracy issue that has not been corrected in 6 years. He is a spread QB he needs to go to a team like the Pats or Saints that spread it out and dink and dunk with a few deep shots mixed in. His athleticism would be an asset if he would do like try smith and scramble and keep his eyes down field. He scrambles and throws it out of bounds even though he can out run most the defenders on the field. I have coached football for 14 years now on the youth and high school level and when you have an athlete you tell him to trust his speed trust his skills and make a play. If he was coached to be a game manager then it would be hard to change that mind set. I feel like he would need to sit and learn then go out and get it done. He has to go back to being the man like he was at Utah. Watch his Utah highlights, he really was a baller until his confidence got crushed.
by Mr. Jesse From Anchorage, AK on Feb 2, 2011 5:08 PM PST up reply actions
Here is a link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41mI1oC_gfI
and for the record I do not want him back… time to move on…
I feel like he has been the Ike Turner of QB abusing 49er fans
by Mr. Jesse From Anchorage, AK on Feb 2, 2011 5:14 PM PST up reply actions
Has anyone talked about CFL QBs?
Anyone who could play until this year’s rookie is ready?
Alaska is a state, dammit! Can I get a Niner game on TV up here?
interesting
That might be worth a front page post. Let me look into it a bit more.
by David Fucillo on Feb 3, 2011 3:27 PM PST up reply actions
I already posted a bunch of them... there's really not much there.
Most of all of them are under 6’
Some of us will do our jobs well and some will not, but we will be judged by only one thing -- the result. -Lombardi
If we are going to give someone cleats it should be Moore.
Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
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