Jim Harbaugh Coaching Staff: Which Current 49ers Will Make The Cut?
by David Fucillo on Jan 8, 2011 10:00 AM PST
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One of the first questions 49ers head coach Jim Harbaugh was asked in yesterday's press conference was how much of his previous Stanford staff he'll bring with him to the 49ers. He had this to say:
"There's guys off of our staff that I would love to bring to the 49ers, there's also excellent coaches on the 49ers. I look forward to talking to those men who've done, along with their families, who've done a great job for the organization and looking forward to sitting down with each of those men and talking football with them and letting them hear my vision and my plan, and hearing theirs, and together we will put together a great staff. The 49er organization will put together a great staff, and really can't mention anybody's name that's not on the staff already until somebody signs a contract. You know job one will be talking to our players this week and simultaneously trying to hire a great staff."
There does not appear to be a specific timeline in place for figuring out the coaching staff, but I'd have to imagine Coach Harbaugh will want to get a coaching staff together fairly quickly. Aside from just wanting to get that task out of the way is that I'd imagine he'd probably like to go to the Senior Bowl as is often the case with coaching staffs. Additionally, he knows all the current 49ers coaches are hanging around just waiting for news.
If you head over to the 49ers.com list of coaches, we've got a current list of the guys on staff (Harbaugh is already up!). Check them out after the jump.
Jim Tomsula, Defensive Line Coach
Greg Manusky, Defensive Coordinator
Mike Johnson, Offensive Coordinator
Kurt Schottenheimer, Special Teams Coordinator
Jason Michael, Quarterbacks Coach
Mike Solari, Offensive Line Coach
Tom Rathman, Running Backs Coach
Jerry Sullivan, Wide Receivers Coach
Wendell Davis, Assistant Wide Receivers Coach
Pete Hoener, Tight Ends
Vance Joseph, Secondary
Jason Tarver, Outside Linebackers
Ray Brown, Asst. Offensive Line Coach
Duane Carlisle, Head Strength & Conditioning Coach
Mark Uyeyama, Asst Strength & Conditioning Coach
Dave Fipp, Asst Special Teams Coach
Jeff Ferguson, Head Athletic Trainer
In looking over that list, there are some names that jump out because of news about them or potential worthiness to last into the Harbaugh era. DC Greg Manusky is scheduled to interview today with the Carolina Panthers head coach job. I know some folks have their problems with Manusky, but the rankings of the defense in recent years likely bought him some cache for such an interview. I don't know how he fits in amongst any other candidates, but getting an interview is a solid first step.
Wide receivers coach Jerry Sullivan apparently might retire, but his contract is up and I think he's just looking to do something new. Sullivan has his moments, but I've never enjoyed the doghouse issues we've heard of with past receivers. It's a lot of speculation, but it doesn't come across too well.
The two guys who would seem most likely to return are Jim Tomsula and Tom Rathman. Tre9er made a good point to me about Rathman's west coast offense experience. If Jim Harbaugh will be instituting the west coast offense, why not retain one of the guys who was a key cog in the 80s and early 90s? Additionally, Rathman has indicated he loves the RB coach role and it's my understanding that he doesn't have designs on being a head coach anytime soon.
Jim Tomsula is a guy we've discussed already as someone who might be retained given his general passion for the game. Harbaugh mentioned how he wanted to sit down with each assistant and talk football and explain his vision. I have to say I'd love to be a fly on the wall when Harbaugh and Tomsula sit down and talk football. I think that could be quite the entertaining experience.
Beyond those two, it's hard to tell on the rest. Although Mike Johnson could be capable of instituting the west coast offense, it seems like such a change would require a new coordinator. Additionally, Harbaugh indicated he would call some of his own plays (not all of them) and that might require delicacy of a new coordinator. Given how high up the chain of command the OC is, I'd be surprised if Harbaugh didn't bring in his own guy.
As for the rest of the guys, Mike Solari is the only guy who really jumps out at me as someone Harbaugh might consider keeping. The 49ers offensive line has had some struggles, but I think he's done good work in helping to developing Anthony Davis and Mike Iupati, while keeping David Baas consistent in the center position. I'd imagine he'll at least get a decent look from Coach Harbaugh (I do enjoy calling him that).
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Other than Tomsula and Rathman
CLEAN HOUSE Jimmy!!!
Matt Cain is better than you.
by homegrowntalent on Jan 8, 2011 10:14 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Solari, Hoener, Brown, Carlisle, Ferguson
I think all have a shot
by whistlingmountain on Jan 8, 2011 10:21 AM PST up reply actions
No, not him
I’d rather he hire a STs coach recommended to him by his brother (John is a STs specialist)
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Jan 8, 2011 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
Agree with this list
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Jan 8, 2011 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
Yep other than that
not much of consequence
by ChesapeakeBay9er on Jan 8, 2011 5:43 PM PST up reply actions
I'll bet Solari is out...
Harbaugh may do what he did at Stanford and design the passing offense while allowing the o-line coach to design the running game. He supposedly got the idea from Walsh who did the same thing with McKittrick.
Solari worked with Mckittrick
Solari was assistance offensive line coach for Mckittrick from 92 to 96 and was said to have been given high marks by the late great coach.
Good to know...
I just meant Harbaugh would probably pick someone he knows and has collaborated with personally for such an arrangement.
Solari better be out...
The 49ers have used a bunch of first day draft picks on the OL in recent years, and they still can’t pass protect at all. Sounds like a coaching problem to me…
Solari is in his first year with the 49ers
He has had to work with what he got and did wonders with Anthony Davis. Adam Snyder looked almost passable at times which was also a novelty. Overall our OL is much improved over last season, so I hope Solari stays.
by NinerFanInItaly on Jan 9, 2011 12:46 AM PST up reply actions
I think Solari
might get to much credit. The offensive line really seemed lacking this year. But I understand they need time.
Sorry Miami fans, don't Harbaugh a grudge on us.
The LOLine in 2009 was terrible.. horrible and a bunch of other ibles... Solari put in two rookies, moved Baas to C and the OL got better and better over the year.
I think Solari would be a lock to stay.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
by Eastbayjim on Jan 8, 2011 12:08 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
i want to know what we are looking for
with the Defensive coord….are we gonna keep the 3-4 or go back to the 4-3? i like the 3-4, if the new coach actually takes advantage and blitzes creatively unlike manusky failed to do
Stanford ran the 3-4
I’d imagine that Jim will bring in Vic Fangio as defensive coordinator and keep the 3-4 base defense.
This seems likely
based on the stories I’ve seen today. Most writers seem to think Fangio will return to the NFL as Harbaugh’s DC.
What about Greg Manusky
The Offense will need to learn the West Coast Offense and that is no small task. If he keeps Manusky, the Deffense won’t have a learning curve. The Defense is not a weak link on this team. Bringing in a new DC would only hurt this team and make them less competitive at first.
there is a process to greatness
if you want change, then the old phrase would have to come true,"its darkest before the dawn
Good point
But since V. Fangio ran the 3-4 I doubt the learning curve will be so steep.
Although I have said that I don’t like the guy (Fangio) I could live with him as DC.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Jan 8, 2011 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
Wait.. what?
“The defense is not a weak link on this team.”
This is a passing league. Teams that pass well have winning records. Teams that pass well and stop other teams from passing well play late into January.
Our defense is ranked 26th against the pass.
The defense is a weak link on this team.
The whole point of running the 3-4 is it gives you added flexibility by being able to bring any number of blitzers from any side, which is unpredictable for the offense.
Manusky is running a vanilla 3-4 that does not use this flexibility. This leaves us with little pressure other than what we can get on pure talent and chance, which leaves our already pathetic and overpaid secondary hung even further out to dry.
If Manusky leaves to Carolina or is replaced by Fangio I’ll dance a freaking jig.
Defense is a weak link.
Not the only weak link, but it sucked chunks at times.
Singletary for a lb’s coach? For sure a new oc
by ninersince94 on Jan 8, 2011 10:30 AM PST via mobile reply actions
couple hours old
AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
Look for 49ers HC Jim Harbaugh to bring Stanford’s Vic Fangio with him as SF’s new defensive coordinator.
by forwardgunner49 on Jan 8, 2011 10:36 AM PST reply actions
I'm not huge on college football
Did they run a 3-4 at Stanford? I remember reading something about how blitz-friendly Fangio was.
Sorry Miami fans, don't Harbaugh a grudge on us.
Vic Fangio
I’ve heard a ton about him recently but dont know his background, style and/or approach. Anybody able to provide more insight on him?!?!
This is the best I could find
Coaching Career
1979-81 Dunmore H.S. Linebackers/Defensive Coordinator
1982 Milford Academy Defensive Coordinator
1983 North Carolina Graduate Assistant
1984-85 Philadelphia/Baltimore Stars Defensive Assistant
1986-94 New Orleans Saint Linebackers
1995-98 Carolina Panthers Defensive Coordinator
1999-01 Indianapolis Colts Defensive Coordinator
2002-05 Houston Texans Defensive Coordinator
2006-08 Baltimore Ravens Special Assistant to Head Coach
2009 Baltimore Raves Special Assistant to Head Coach/Linebackers
Sorry Miami fans, don't Harbaugh a grudge on us.
Thanks for posting!
Just like everyone i’ve been up for days and been researching all morning and many are reporting that Fangio for DC is about as done a deal as you can get.
Not a problem
I’m pretty restless too. It’s exciting to have so much to look forward to. Now I wonder what the rest of the staff shake up will be… Blllahh time to research the teams that Fangio was DC for.
Sorry Miami fans, don't Harbaugh a grudge on us.
Yes
I’ve been researching him and the Johnson kid from Tampa that Harbaugh used to coach in college. the kid seems to have the intangibles but not enough on him. I would not be opposed to trading for him and seeing what he brings to the table…
Well....
I got an email from Roger Goodell telling me I dont have to worry about! So let the trading begin! :)
Can we atleast work on them
so when CBA is in place they can be executed?
2011 season can't come quick enough..
He blitzes quite a bit
But his 3rd and long defense is eerily similar to Manusky’s (soft zone).
I also don’t like how his DBs are mediocre and let opposing receivers get open easily.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Jan 8, 2011 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
if he comes here
I would hope it would be as a FB replacing Moran Norris
often wrong. never in doubt.
Not for Patrick
For Frank Gore.
He should be a FB.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Jan 8, 2011 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
And a ST beast.
Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
by manraj7 on Jan 8, 2011 1:23 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Outside of Tomsula and Rathman
I really hope Coach cleans house. I think that our WRs havent really shown any growth, and given Jason Hill’s last 3 games with the Jaguars it might’ve just been Sing, but dont really know. Furthermore, if we had lost any two of TKO, Willis & Smith for an extended time, our defense would’ve definately been exposed. Generally what I take away from Sing’s regime is a team needing to “Man Up” and Sing, knowing this and just being unable to get this across to them as anything other then a parent, child relationship. I think Coach will pick his staff to push across the basic fundamentals and bring forth a sense of discipline that the team has lacked for quite a while.
Coach Solari and Ray Brown must stay
Solari did an excellent job of keeping a constantly changing offensive line from imploding, despite the fact that two members of the line are rookies. Anthony Davis definitely improved throughout the year and I’ll tack that up to good coaching. Besides the results, Coach Solari was given excellent marks by Coach McKittrick when he was alive. Any man ok in his book is ok with me.
Chilo
what to do with him?
Do you see Heitmann being gone? I’d really love to have him replace Chilo at Guard, so we have:
Staley, Iupati, Bass, Heitmann, Davis
I agree, Chilo needs to be gone.
Baas has shown he can be placed almost anywhere. Baas back at guard and Heitmann returns to center?
They should try to trade Chilo after the CBA is put in place
If no one bites, just release him.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Jan 8, 2011 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
I agree...
I think Solari should stay…He dealt with two rookies, an injury to our LT and Chilo…Give him another season to groom our young guys…IMO
Manusky has no balls......................
He CONSISTENTLY would go into the pass prevent defense when the team had a lead down the stretch, rushing only 3 and bringing no heat.
Then again the corners ARE PATHETIC and are by FAR the weakest unit on the team and are in need of a MAJOR UPGRADE as is the case with a OLB that can get more than 6.5 sacks a year.
D train to Bensonhurst Brooklyn BABEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Italia1970 on Jan 8, 2011 10:50 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Agreed!
The funny thing is that everytime you’re watching a close game and the prevent defense is on, every announcer, just gets pissed off, “like really” & then you’ll get a few shots of Manusky looking shocked that the defense is getting shredded and then Sing looking down and just having a “I could sure use a few shots of Wild Turkey right now.” I’m just glad it’s a thing of the past. Also, for the record I am sooo tired of watching clips of Clements getting the ball stripped against Atlanta when discussing the Niners season, we get it now move on!!!!
i know im in georgia and was at the game!!!
I was so excited and turn my back for a sec, and then turned around and saw the scramble for the ball. then my jaw dropped and i just shrunk in my chair
truly the most deflating moment of the season.
Especially since everybody knew Ryan would drive down for the score.
You overestimate the talent
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Jan 8, 2011 12:53 PM PST up reply actions
How much of that was Singletary's medling?
I suspect a lot, I don’t think Manusky was allowed to run the kind of defense he wanted. He deserves a shot at a HC spot, I wish him well so long as it’s not with an NFC West team.
by suffrin9erfan on Jan 8, 2011 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
I guess thats what will be revealed in the next few seasons
What type of coordinators Greg Manusky & Mike Johnson really are and I wish them well. I just think that the players themselves are to be held as accountable and the lack of discipline was just too great. I think that if the HC cant instill a great sense of discipline and confidence, the DC & OC should and once they dont, they’re not really doing their jobs either. The more it comes out the more it seems like it just wasnt just the players whom Sing was intimidating, but then again I really liked Sing and his no nonsense approach just wish his stubborness and lack of Xs & Os werent so great.
Like a fart in the face-the chickens come home to roost
Hello?
This is what Sing was SUPPOSED to bring to the table, accountability and discipline and confidence.
He obviously couldn’t even do that. He is one of the RA RA coaches, go get them coaches. I don’t know one of those coaches in the NFL.
I didn’t like the hire then and my view was unpopular.
Now, I think it was unwise to get a GM with no more than 1 year GM experience and an NFL coach with no NFL coaching experience.
These are the people that are supposed to save the franchise?
This isn’t good.
D train to Bensonhurst Brooklyn BABEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
believe everybody knew that sing was going to be a bad hire
he had no experience even being a playcalling coach in the first place. Harbaugh has plenty of years being a head coach and coming up with schemes during a football game
Agree with this
Harbaugh is very aggressive and is kind of an [site decorum] I’m sure he influenced Fangio and told him to keep the pressure up.
Singletary seems like he would do the opposite.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Jan 8, 2011 12:54 PM PST up reply actions
It’s smart to rush 3 in a passing situation when you have a weak secondary, because what you lack in quality DBs, you make up for in quantity of DBs. We didn’t have a dominant pass rusher that could be relied on to get to the QB, so it’s sensible to go with the high percentage play and roll out a bunch of DBs rather than sending everyone and leaving man coverage in the secondary with a bunch of weak DBs.
No more mock draft sig for now...
That sure worked well for us, didn't it?
If you have a weak secondary, you don’t make up for it by bringing in more, even weaker, players. You compensate for it by putting extreme pressure on the QB. If you don’t have elite pass rushers, the you blitz the hell out of them…
After all was said and done, a lot more got said than done.
-1970
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Jan 8, 2011 1:05 PM PST up reply actions
+ 4"
What she said is needed to make it any good.
D train to Bensonhurst Brooklyn BABEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What happens if they pick up the blitz?
You get beat down 45-10 at home (Atlanta in 2009).
Because the DBs can’t cover worth a damn and the receivers (even if there’s only 2 of them) will get open.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Jan 8, 2011 1:04 PM PST up reply actions
If they pick up the blitz...
Then you disguised it very poorly. But we rarely blitz. We just send another guy at the quarterback.
Pittsburgh is so deadly to opposing passers because they can show a 5 man overload on the strong side… and when you audible the protection to shift strong side… 4 of those guys drop into coverage and you get a 5 man blitz from the side you are shifting away from.
Then a QB gets to see 3 O-line blocking 1 guy strong side and 2 O-line and his RB facing a 5 man blitz on weak side and he knows he has less than a second to get rid of the ball.
That is how you blitz.
Movement, misdirection, outnumber at the point of attack… they don’t know if you are coming or not, or from what direction, or how many you are bringing….
“We’ll just send another guy” is not blitzing.
by Ougadas on Jan 8, 2011 4:53 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Good analysis. You quite obviously have a good understanding of "D" football...
After all was said and done, a lot more got said than done.
"What happens if they pick up the blitz?"
The very same thing that’s been happening when we didn’t blitz…. our DBs get burned. But with the blitz, the QB most likely won’t have nearly as much time, the DBs won’t have to cover for nearly as long, which increases their chances of NOT getting burned.
Pressure on the passer is the most essential part of pass defense.
After all was said and done, a lot more got said than done.
If you blitz
you’re still relying on non-elite guys to get to the QB while leaving your even weaker secondary in man coverage. It’s a question of quantity over quality, since you have more quality in the front 7 and more quantity in back.
I’m not saying it worked well for us, but I don’t think our problems were scheme-related.
No more mock draft sig for now...
"you’re still relying on non-elite guys to get to the QB" Ooohhhhh Kaaayyyy
Among those “non-elite guys” I’d be relying on are TKO and Patrick Willis….
After all was said and done, a lot more got said than done.
Fangio runs a very similar defense
He does get aggressive when he’s up big though.
But so does Manusky (see: beatdowns of Arizona Cardinals)
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Jan 8, 2011 12:53 PM PST up reply actions
Who will be kept
He will most likely bring in from his own staff at Stanford and bring in the rest of new coaches, vic fagio will come to replace manusky, manusky will get considerations as a HC but will end up a defensive coach somewhere. After what tomsula did to just win 1 game was great. everybody else will be gone. rathman might stay but rest are gone. it will be a totally new coaching staff.
I like that he's as close to a walsh disciple as you'll ever find BUT
he needs to groom his staff to compliment his philosophy, I also feel our coaches were handcuffed under sing, and we won’t see their true potential until they get a chance to add to a coaching staff. whether it’s ours or another teams. I am alresdy releived that he is 1000% more adept at speaking publicly and seems to keep his thoughts to himself unless it’s pertinent to the public issues surrounding our team. AND we didn’t here the dreaded look at the film response. definitely looking forward to our resurgence as a power in the nfl, and every other team having a valid reason for hating us!!!!! jed delivered what he promised and that buys him this offseason with me. still like when harbaugh said no excuses we’re here to win lombardi trophies, and knowing he means it!!!! the rest of the nfc west is done we’re taking back the division.
manusky played off more
than not and clements has a tendency to get caught looking in the backfield when he’s not occupied with man coverage. I will wait to see how much ofthat was sing, before i condemn him. same with johnson, he cut troy loose and it killed other teams until mother sing got worried about the playbook nonsense. so let’s not pass judgement on these two until we see how they do long term as OC?DC’s. harbaugh will hire his staff and whoever he picks is fine, at least until they lose 7 games to start the season.
Mj for sure need's to go , after all before he became O.C. he was the Qb coach enough said on that ...
… Tomsula , Solari , Brown , Rathman and Ferggy… Ciao baby to the rest …!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ...Jimmy Raye your no daisy ...!!
53 man roster
Just watched the press conference and was interested to hear that Trent Baalke will have final say on the 53 man roster. Is it common for the GM to have the final say? Apologies if this has been discussed elsewhere but it struck me as being a bit odd. I would have thought a coach would insist on having final say on which players he wants. Is this how most teams operate?
Think it varies
Singletary had it and rumor has it that he turned down some good players based on “character issues”. Baalke certainly has Jed’s trust.
often wrong. never in doubt.
Says something about Harbaugh too seeing as how he probably could have had it if he pushed
often wrong. never in doubt.
I can see
that when it comes to character issues that there could be disagreement between a GM and Coach but what about when it comes down to evaluating talent? If the coach thinks that Wide receiver X is a better player than wide receiver Y but the GM disagrees would the GM get the final say on that? Maybe I don’t fully understand the role of the GM but would the coach not have the final say on player talent given that he sees the players every day and talks with the coach. Sorry for labouring this point and maybe I’m being a bit naive but I’m just a little bit surprised that the coach doesn’t get the final say.
by Glasgow_49er on Jan 8, 2011 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
typo...meant to say
“..sees the players every day and talks with the other coaches” NOT “…sees the players every day and talk with the coach”
by Glasgow_49er on Jan 8, 2011 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
the coach would put in his two cents
and persuade the gm to keep that player. in these circumstances its good to have a gm and hc that have the same vision of what team is going to be
Trent Baalke said just as much
but if it comes down to it, he said he has the final say (KNBR interview)
My guess is..
Harbaugh has his criteria, identifies his choice, and Baalke will see if he can swing it. If he can’t, Harbaugh won’t force the issue.
Jim Harbaugh, new Head Coach of the San Francisco 49ers. Now what?
I think it is more like. Baalke will constantly be talking to Harbaugh about the players.
Baalke will let Harbaugh know who is available and they will discuss and then sign the best for the job. I reallly think the two can work very well together.. it is not a power struggle, it is a meeting of the minds to achieve the best results.
Baalke gave Sing some good players.. Sing just didn’t use them I.E. Westbrook.
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Good points...
I think however the choice at QB is more on Harbaugh, as well as other skill positions on offense. As far as Westbrook, Tolbert mentioned a reason why Westbrook wasn’t used much early is because Gore demanded the touches, according to a source he knows. Tolbert isn’t a guy who would throw stuff like that out there, yet take it for what it’s worth.
Jim Harbaugh, new Head Coach of the San Francisco 49ers. Now what?
It seems likely that the key area for concern would be if Harbaugh thinks Player A is better than B, but A wants a lot more $. There is a salary cap and disagreements about how much more A is worth than B could cause friction. I’m hoping that they work through those things smoothly when they arise and don’t get caught up in it if a hard call has to come.
Keep in mind this is hardly going to affect our starters and primary backups
I’m sure they’d mostly agree about those. It would probably be the really fringe players that they would disagree about and at that point they can work it out amongst themselves and it’s not too big a deal if Baalke overrules Harbaugh on the 50th man on the roster.
Promote Tomsula to DC, keep Rathman
The players on the D like and respect Tomsula and will play hard for him and our defense just needs a better secondary and to be more aggressive and go after the ball and the QB more (basically play like they did season before last). Manusky will be gone, anyway, so you either keep Tomsula or hire a DC from outside. If Tomsula is promoted, I see a minimal shakeup in the Defensive staff.
There will likely be a major overhaul of the Offensive staff. Rathman will be a great help in installing the new Offense and is the only link with the glory days, I’m betting he stays. I’m sure Harbaugh will bring in an OC he is comfortable working with, so Johnson will be out. O-line needs better coaching than we have right now and Harbaugh will want his own QB coach.
We desperately need good coaching on Special teams which were poor this season, so Schottenheimer should be gone also.
Solari OL Coach for 49ers 92-96
Plus, given the circumstances with the OL this year, I feel he did an excellent job. Let’s see what he can do with a year under the belt of the rooks and a more stable OL.
Off topic here
But my condolences to the Reed family. Ed Reed is a trooper for making the trip to KC and playing anyway.
Sorry Miami fans, don't Harbaugh a grudge on us.
yeah,
say what you want about his brother running from the police, but this has got to be a very difficult time for Ed.
police chasing his brother
he then jumped into the river, and police say he never came back up. Officially reported as missing right now.
one thing i know about Coach H
he will not hitch his ride to alex the great smith,,,,,,thank you jesus, the #11 era is finally over
3-4 years too late
Trade Sabean/jk...Fire the Ydorks...
coach H will qb the 49ers
before alex ever suits up for us again
Trade Sabean/jk...Fire the Ydorks...
memo to all the alex lovers
finally your losing era is done….bye bye
take your top 5 bust of all time with you
thank you, my days of niner qb rage are done…
Trade Sabean/jk...Fire the Ydorks...
Empty word's in the wind , are left best unsaid ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ...Jimmy Raye your no daisy ...!!
Top 5 bust of all time?
That’s a bit extream. I’m not even sure I would say top 5 QB bust of all time let alone top 5 from all top drafted players. Off the top of my head for QB only I can think of Leaf, Russell, Harrington, Carr, and Couch as being bigger busts. Don’t forget, Vinny Testaverde was considered a bust in TB before he ended up having a pretty decent career. He needs to move on from SF, but top 5 bust is a little over the top.
Don't trust this guy. He lies.
Did Alex pick on you as a kid?
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
upgrade at secondary
i really want to see a better db coach in sf next year. i have no idea who was responsible for that at stanford, but from watching their games it didn’t seem like they were all-star.
if u disagree with that, i’d like to know why. otherwise, what nfl/college assistant with experience around a great secondary might be available?
Secondary
Was watching an NFL Greatest Game on espn the other night, and who happened to be the Giants defensive coordinator during their meltdown to the Niners in the 2002 Wild Card game? Johnny Lynn, the Niners already fired DB coach from this season. A new DB coach, and a few new DBs, seems like a nice transition.
Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
I vow to never mention "playoffs" and "49ers" together again until we have a "quarterback."
Nope
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Jan 8, 2011 1:06 PM PST up reply actions
Yessssss
I would love to see Ronnie Lott come into camp as a special assistant and just work with Mays & bust balls in the Secondary…..
We have so much retired talent
let’s hope Harbaugh can convince some of our legends to lend a hand. Brent Jones was completely gaga on Harbaugh in call he made on the radio yesterday. You imagine this guy helping Vernon Davis and Delanie Walker out?
Steve Young was all excited on ESPN too
bringing the alumni a little closer couldn’t hurt
better to keep your mouth shut and have them think you're stupid than open it and remove all doubt...
omg
i got tingly all over just imagining lott back in football.
then i remembered, i think lot had that thing that you can’t really teach. he was a natural. plus, he’s a very successful businessman now. i think he stays out.
but who was the only db coach to put 4 in the pro-bowl the same year? and he did it with a rookie class? here’s a hint, he’s too old and comfortable to come back…
Well it seems Ronnie Lott is coming bacK:
John Madden wants to make pro football safer, not tamer.
Madden and Ronnie Lott, both in the Pro Football Hall of Fame, will co-chair the NFL Player Safety Advisory Panel. Therefore, maybe Harbaugh can coax him into coming by to lend his “guidance” on how our secondary can excel w/safety guidelines in mind…I know Steve Mariucci tried to bring him back before maybe we’ll revist that with Harbaugh…
I hope some of our coaches make it.
Like Tomsula, Manusky, Rathman, Solari on the first level. 3 of them are Walsh kind of guys.
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I think the trainers actually did a very good job, so I’d keep them.
Schottenheimer certainly wasn’t horrible. Better than the year before. Not super creative. But a safe choice that has continuity to it.
Solari, Tomsula, Rathman, okay.
Sweep the rest out on a fast train and take Alex Smith with them. No more throwing interceptions and losing winnable games. GET OUT! Time for a new era.
People do realize our defense cost us a lot more this year than Alex, right?
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
I bet Jim Harbaugh stays...
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by return2greatness on Jan 8, 2011 12:00 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
I dunno either
He hasn’t done anything since he’s been here :/
He will have to look at the film first !
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't, either way, YOU'RE RIGHT !"
Murderer or not, that dude is bad. LOVE watching him play.
"Bears are crazy, Willie. They'll bite your head off if you're wearing steak on it."
I agree
them and Steelers are main reasoning behind all of the new safety rules….they would try to cheap shot a player any time they could
by sanfranfanmdk on Jan 8, 2011 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
KC hasn't won a playoff game in 17 years
I’m pulling for the Chiefs and their great fans.
Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
I vow to never mention "playoffs" and "49ers" together again until we have a "quarterback."
The folks at Arrowhead pride seem like lovely people
I’m pulling for them to get to the SB, although their chances are slim!
been a kc fan since they always took on our old qb's.
Montana, Bono and GrBac.
by wtlichens on Jan 8, 2011 1:30 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I'm rooting for Baltimore
because they’re the only team I think can beat the Pats at home.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Jan 8, 2011 1:08 PM PST up reply actions
Singletary for LB Coach in MIN?
Funny to think that a guy who was the Niners HC is now highly likely to become the LB Coach for another team. Not even a DC but 2 steps down to a position coach. Stupid… I cant blv we had him as a HC! And the funny thing is i work in the Twin Cities so i will be blessed with more Singletary in my life! XD
It is truly embarassing for Singletary
but also us! I think Smileyman also mentioned that since we’re still paying him, Sing’s the highest paid LB coach in the league lol.
On the bright side, if we can go 6-9 with THAT as a HC, imagine what we can do with a decent coach!
I really don't see why it is embarrassing.
"The year we beat Miami in the Super Bowl, ... do you know how many defensive linemen were in our rotation? Nine, and we used them all quite a bit. We just wore the Dolphins out."
Bill Walsh quote
by Iupati_like_its_1999 on Jan 8, 2011 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
For us?
Because it shows how bad our coach was. It’s a huge embarassment to the 49ers that they put Singletary as the leader of their team, while other teams think he’s so bad they won’t let him within a mile of their coaching staff.
LB Coach? We were paradiing around the NFL with a guy nobody else would ever take?
that’s how it’s embarasing for us.
lots of team have bad coaches.
Most fans of other teams that are friends of mine, always had a healthy respect for Singletary. I don’t see him as an embarrassment, just a man that was in over his head.
"The year we beat Miami in the Super Bowl, ... do you know how many defensive linemen were in our rotation? Nine, and we used them all quite a bit. We just wore the Dolphins out."
Bill Walsh quote
by Iupati_like_its_1999 on Jan 8, 2011 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
To me, it's a mark of just how bad we were
yes, lots of HC’s are bad, but they end up going back as OC’s or DC’s, not LB coach.
Sing
cant go back to being a DC, because he never was one. He’s going back to what he knows and is comfortable with.
"God tells me he can get me out of this mess, but he's pretty sure you're fucked."-Braveheart
It would be a great hire for MIN..
they are a mess right now as far as morale. Sing would bring some much needed inspiration to that team. He wasn’t a good HC, but the 49ers aren’t exactly a good team right now. Frazier should hire him in a heartbeat.
Jim Harbaugh, new Head Coach of the San Francisco 49ers. Now what?
Sing is a pretty good LB coach.
Kellen Moore is awesome
Katie Mcgrath is our savior
by manraj7 on Jan 8, 2011 1:38 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
good for him
i think he needs to go back and do what he does best. don’t we owe a lot of willis’ success to him?
it isn't that odd
Dom Capers was a special asst to the HC and secondary coach before returning to being a DC after his second HC run in Houston. Joe Bugel went back to being an OL coach as did Bill Callahan. Position coach is some guys ceiling, and also where some enjoy their work the most.
Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
I vow to never mention "playoffs" and "49ers" together again until we have a "quarterback."
Joe Bugel was a disaster...
he was way in over his head in OAK.
Jim Harbaugh, new Head Coach of the San Francisco 49ers. Now what?
No disagreement
And he got two chances to be a HC. Screwed both up.
Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
I vow to never mention "playoffs" and "49ers" together again until we have a "quarterback."
He can never be a DC
He has zero knowledge of X/Os
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Jan 8, 2011 1:08 PM PST up reply actions
Coach's
I think Tomsula and Johnson both are kept on the team. Johnson, my guess is will become a quarterbacks coach.
"The year we beat Miami in the Super Bowl, ... do you know how many defensive linemen were in our rotation? Nine, and we used them all quite a bit. We just wore the Dolphins out."
Bill Walsh quote
by Iupati_like_its_1999 on Jan 8, 2011 12:26 PM PST reply actions
OFF TOPIC BUT... What about trading our 1st RD pick to Carolina this year for their 1st RD next year...?
This would given CAR 2 1st RDs and an oppotunity to fill multiple gaps on their team. It would give us a very strong shot at landing Andrew Luck next year, assuming CAR is unable to get their shit together over the next yr. Just go get a Vet for 2011 and wait on our QBOTF until next yr when Luck hits the draft. Whatcha think???
Its a huge gamble.
Getting luck next year will require for us not to make the playoffs again next year, and I just cant see us doing that unless we tank. NFC west, and we have to take advantage of that fact. I say draft Locker this year and grab a Veteran Qb through trade or free agency. And let Locker develop for a couple seasons.
"The year we beat Miami in the Super Bowl, ... do you know how many defensive linemen were in our rotation? Nine, and we used them all quite a bit. We just wore the Dolphins out."
Bill Walsh quote
by Iupati_like_its_1999 on Jan 8, 2011 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
Agree
With drafting Locker, I think under Harbaugh’s guidance he could b perfect. However, I would like to see how he does at the combine…
yeah im looking forward to the senior bowl as well. We should get him at 7, but I think Harbaugh could develop any number of young QB's
"The year we beat Miami in the Super Bowl, ... do you know how many defensive linemen were in our rotation? Nine, and we used them all quite a bit. We just wore the Dolphins out."
Bill Walsh quote
by Iupati_like_its_1999 on Jan 8, 2011 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
But...
Thats why i said we would get CAR’s 1st RD pick next year. We could still do well and even make the playoffs and would not hurt ourselves in getting Luck. What we would need is for CAR to perform poorly. The risk is that if they were to do well we could loose out.
by MidWestNiner on Jan 8, 2011 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
oh I see what you
"The year we beat Miami in the Super Bowl, ... do you know how many defensive linemen were in our rotation? Nine, and we used them all quite a bit. We just wore the Dolphins out."
Bill Walsh quote
by Iupati_like_its_1999 on Jan 8, 2011 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
The down side for us this year would be..
no 1st RD pick. But we could use multiple late RD picks to move up for 2nd or 3rd RD selections if needed. This assumes we have most of the parts and have our hearts set on Luck for QBOTF.
by MidWestNiner on Jan 8, 2011 12:37 PM PST up reply actions
sorry reply fail
I see what you’re saying now. I just think this defense can upgrade heavily in the secondary, and losing a draft pick at the 7th position is a huge loss for a team that couldnt make the playoffs in the weakest division in sports. And there is no guarantee we will be able to trade back into the first either.
"The year we beat Miami in the Super Bowl, ... do you know how many defensive linemen were in our rotation? Nine, and we used them all quite a bit. We just wore the Dolphins out."
Bill Walsh quote
by Iupati_like_its_1999 on Jan 8, 2011 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
Def a risk...
We would forego a first this year, but have 2 next yr… Carolina’s (since we traded them this yrs first) and our own. This way they have 2 1st RD (Top 10) picks this yr and next yr we will have 2 1st RD picks and a great shot at getting Luck assuming Carolina is still one of the worst teams in the NFL.
We give up this yr to get it back next yr. It would be an investment.
by MidWestNiner on Jan 8, 2011 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
Good Point!
BUF —> NE, NYJ, MIA
or
CAR —> TB, NO, ATL
Both look difficult for the team’s in question. The bright side is that we have a lot of other draft picks and could trade up a couple slots if necessary. But good point, i forgot about how horrible Buffalo is and that would be the risk to the whole scenario.
As has been mentioned
I expect and hope that Rathman, Solari and Brown return. I would not be surprised if Tomsula and Hoener also came back. Beyond that, change is good. JH will have his own staff who are people he knows and trusts, plus this gives more outside eyes to look at our roster and assess the weaknesses and see which players can get better with coaching.
I very much like the idea of Fangio as DC. It keeps the scheme as a 3-4 but will actually utilize more blitzes and hidden coverages. That he worked under Capers and Ryan speaks quite well for him. He was even the Saints’ LB coach during their Dome patrol days.
Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
I vow to never mention "playoffs" and "49ers" together again until we have a "quarterback."
Get rid of everybody involved on offense outside of Rathman..
and burn Jimmy Raye’s and Mike Johnson’s playbooks. Don’t need those archived in the hallowed ground of offense, even before Walsh.
Jim Harbaugh, new Head Coach of the San Francisco 49ers. Now what?
We’ll have us a little book BBQ in the yard. They’ll see the flames for miles.
Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
I vow to never mention "playoffs" and "49ers" together again until we have a "quarterback."
Coach Solari and
coach Brown did a great job of juggling an offensive line that had two rookies and a series of injuries that kept them from developing the continuity that is necessary. If healthy this group should be a strength this coming season. These coaches were in a no win situation. Iy was more like survival of the fittest for a bunch of young lions.
Locker.
"The year we beat Miami in the Super Bowl, ... do you know how many defensive linemen were in our rotation? Nine, and we used them all quite a bit. We just wore the Dolphins out."
Bill Walsh quote
by Iupati_like_its_1999 on Jan 8, 2011 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
How about...
Shut down corner with the 7th pick (Prince) and trade back to the 1st round & get Locker…
Oh
& Trade for Johnson from Tampa for a 4th rounder this year…
I really like the idea of Johnson on the niners.
"The year we beat Miami in the Super Bowl, ... do you know how many defensive linemen were in our rotation? Nine, and we used them all quite a bit. We just wore the Dolphins out."
Bill Walsh quote
by Iupati_like_its_1999 on Jan 8, 2011 3:19 PM PST up reply actions
u mean trade up?
How would we use our #7 on a Corner and trade back? I’m assuming u mean trade up with some of our later picks to give ourselves 2 1st RD picks?
by MidWestNiner on Jan 8, 2011 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
With Luck staying in school
Locker is now a top 15 pick.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Jan 8, 2011 1:10 PM PST up reply actions
i still dont know why people are convinced
that Prince Amukamara will be a shutdown CB in the NFL. he is athletically limited. he will never shut down a quality NFL receiver.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
Think i prefer Locker too, with Harbaugh as HC who knows...
Can’t wait for Senior Bowl and Combine to really compare them all.
by MidWestNiner on Jan 8, 2011 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
Fail
You want a guy that has attempted less than 300 passes in his college career?
Can you say one year wonder?
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Jan 8, 2011 1:10 PM PST up reply actions
Cam Newton
has a much better attitude than JaMarcus.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
as in, he'll cause catastrophic damage if on the team?
just kidding.
I haven’t seen enough of him (I don’t think he’s played enough for anyone to do so) but something doesn’t seem so good about his NFL chances.
He plays very slowly
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Jan 8, 2011 1:11 PM PST up reply actions
Newton looks the part
but I want to see him at the combine & off season sessions before I pass judgement, seeing him against the give but dont break defense of Oregon, will probably remind me of any QB versus us this past year
He is bigger and faster
than Luck and is very coachable? Harbaugh can perfect his fundamentals and we have a man among boys.
Is he a smart fella?
I imagine we’ll be running some complicated system/plays, and NFL QB’s must be able to read defenses.
he didn't start his college career at a junior college.
he transered there from Florida to avoid being kicked out of school for cheating.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
Wait... what?
“he has a better attitude than JaMarcus”
and
“he transered there from Florida to avoid being kicked out of school for cheating.”
Do you not see any contradiction in these two posts of yours?
Maybe you didn’t mean he had a good attitude. Maybe you meant he had a shit attitude, but JaMarcus’s was worse.
Still reminds me of Purple Drank.
he has a better attitude towards his football career.
i do not care what his attitude is about academics.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
Aha...
So you think attitude can be split like that…
I don’t.
Attitude is a reflection of personality.
A person who will cheat is a person who takes the easy way out.
When he gets to the NFL and his size and strength no longer make him special, and he has to put in long hours to be good… will he take the easy way out?
We don’t know…. and it’s a valid red flag concern.
We don't need big guys playing the QB position
We need smart accurate passers.
Cam Newton doesn’t fit the bill.
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Jan 8, 2011 1:12 PM PST up reply actions
He's attempted less than 300 passes
In his entire collegiate career
What we've got here is a failure to communicate.
"I'm just like you, but 10 times better"
by SportsChicken on Jan 8, 2011 1:11 PM PST up reply actions
LOL i saw a secondary coach on that list..Vance Joseph.
Yep, he’s definitely gone for sure lol sucks to lose a job though
wth he's never even played any positions in the secondary..
LOL dude he was a QB and RB in college..and a defensive back in the NFL..howd he even got all his jobs are a mystery
You do realize
That a defensive back is the general term for a player in the secondary (corner or safety). C’mon man
"God tells me he can get me out of this mess, but he's pretty sure you're fucked."-Braveheart
Thoughts
If they do not share his
Passion, Ideals, Intensity, and Love for the game and 49ers as team.
They got to go!
Here's money for a cab. Now entering sleep mode. beep beep beep zzzzzzzzz
Vance Joseph, Secondary
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by HUNGRY HUNTER on Jan 8, 2011 2:05 PM PST up reply actions
Coaching changes
My initial response is “Harbaugh, yes, clean house, spring cleaning early. Get your guys in there, continue the excellence from Stanford. Keep no one from the old regime. Make a clean break with the losing culture, maybe bring in some folks connected with Walsh and 49er tradition on offense, a la Steve Young’s invective re: owning the 49er/Walsh tradition. Harbaugh has already started this re-establishment. No one from the Nolan/Singletary tree should be left standing. A radical rebirth is what is required. And this is what Harbaugh did at Stanford. And what Walsh did ith the 49ers. Each got his people in and the rest is history. Go Harbaugh, go 9ers.” And after reading the posts here maybe keep Solari and Brown, maybe. On the other hand, the Stanford OL was better in every way than the 49ers OL in terms of philosophy and execution. Certainly different levels of competition, but still the 49ers OL was nothing extraordinarily excellent. If we want to go to the Superbowl and not just win some games, then last years’ OL was simply not good enough, How much falls on the OL coach given the ineptitude of the offense overall and the overall team coaching, who knows? Still, I’d like to see as clean a break with the old culture as possible. Rathman also is a possible anomaly and I would like to see him stay in some capacity, to underline the connection with 49er tradition, if he fits Harbaugh’s scheme.
yes and no
i’d like to see house cleaning too, but at what cost? we have an established defense, and we’d like to make the playoffs next year. do we sacrifice that to makeover the defense?
there is a lot of room for improvement on the defense, but it might have to come incrementally.
I wouldn't be surprised if we see a completely new staff.
I’d love to see solari/brown stay. As for Manusky, I think he has been getting a free-pass due to Singletary’s ineptitude. Not saying he hasn’t done a decent job, but too many times this season we needed a stop and didn’t get it.
I’m more interested in possible OC candidates.
Did something happen yesterday?
You guys are talking like the 49ers hired someone competent? Is this true? Wow, maybe this Harbaugh guy has some head coaching experience. I hope he handles himself as if he can do the job.
MY PICKS
RAY BROWN AND TOM RATHMAN AND MAYBE JIM TOMSULA…..AND FOR SURE THE MASCOT…
BOB 'BEETLE' BEILHARZ
My picks of who is worthy to stay
Tomsula – Our DL was excellent, consistently stuffing the run.
Rathman – Our RB situation is one most teams would want, a reflection of talent and coaching.
Hoener – He has done good things with our TEs and at least worth looking at.
All others are VERY expendable.
by NinerFanInItaly on Jan 9, 2011 12:56 AM PST reply actions
thank you.
Hoener wasn’t getting nearly enough love on this post.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
check this interview "Jim Harbaugh, Stanford, talks about his mentors -- Max Flower TV
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeJtsq-n19I
so what happened to Walsh??? they sold me this guy as the heir to the sacred books of Bill Walsh …
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