Ask Pride of Detroit
by Latif Masud on Oct 11, 2011 6:49 PM PDT
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My name is Latif. I'm one of the writers over at Pride of Detroit, SBN's Detroit Lions site. I wanted to get this fanpost up, so that you guys could ask any questions you may have about the Lions. I'll be around, and I'm sure so will be many others from POD.
Just to fill up the 75 word limit, I'm gonna tell you that the Lions are 5-0 for the first time since 1956...yes its been THAT long.
PS: please rec this post, so it stays up for the week. Thanks
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Scared?
I (and I’m pretty sure I speak for many people) respect the 49ers. You guys have a few pieces that will give the Lions trouble, but I wouldn’t say I (or we) are scared of them.
The thing is the 2010 team faced three out of the four teams in the conference championship game, and beat two of them in the Packers and Bears (refs don’t agree with that), and took the Jets to overtime after blowing a 10 point lead in the fourth quarter. This year’s team is far deeper on both sides of the ball, and Matthew Stafford is fully back, so there aren’t any teams in the NFL right now that I would be scared to face.
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What About Shaun Hill?
Will you be scared of the Niners when our pass rush puts glass-body Stafford out of action in the first quarter? Do you think Hill can win it for you?
Not a troll
by Riding The F Train on Oct 12, 2011 12:24 AM PDT up reply actions
C'Mon man!
Stafford is about as likely to get injured as Drew Brees or Sam Bradford. He has already taken plenty of hits on that shoulder as well as the other guys who had the same surgery have. Dr. Andrews makes them bigger, stronger, faster….
The “glass Stafford” comments are about as valid as “two read Smith” or “half field Smith” or how about “happy feet Smith”. At least our QB only has one bad nickname….
Ndamukong Suh - Bringing 50's football back to Motown!
Evil you forgot
“First round bust Smith” or even “Why didn’t the Niners draft Aaron Rodgers” Smith
Yooperlionfan is officially "the man"
the Lions D-Line: the Four Horsemen of the A-sack-alypse
Jim Schwartz: Erasing the stink of Millen, one fist pump at a time.
P.C.P: It is not just for recreation anymore.
Don't get that from us either...?
Smith had 2 surgeries to repair his shoulder by the same Dr Andrews, and his arm is probably better than it was before hand…
I for one, hope both QBs play the whole game…
BWAH-HA-HA... scare of WHO???
The feelings of fear will be planted by Suh… and he has a sidekick, who is just getting his training wheels off; he’s Fairley Nasty, along with all their pals. This game is in the “D,” and the Lions fear nobody. Hopefully, the 49er staff brings a scraper, to retrieve all the pieces.
Enjoy your nightmare in Detroit, and then get back to winning.
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by Gee Garold Lembach on Oct 14, 2011 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Reality check will be reality check this weekend. Detroit Lions are still the Detroit Lions the headlines will read on Monday.
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And not the current version to clear up and confusion there.
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It seems like both sides are well deserving a reality check
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Somebody’s gotta walk away with the ‘W’ …I personally don’t think the game will be outside of a 4 point difference.
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What if it ends in a tie.
Fitting the way this “battle of the fans” has been going..
by mr. instigator on Oct 14, 2011 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Usually the riding is not great when the training wheels first come off. He’s a rookie coming of a nasty injury. If he plays even close to half the game, I would be surprised.
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C'mon... half a game?
He’s still building stamina; he won’t play that much. He’s third on the Depth Chart, but he’ll get enough time in to get a sack, and keep Williams and Fluellen highly motivated and fresh for the 4th quarter. It’s not like he was intended to be a starter this year; he’s just a little OVERKILL. The Lions haven’t had a pressing need to roll out their future terror twins with any haste, and certainly won’t need it against San Francisco; they’re good, but will find themselves over-matched this week.
I figure once Detroit forces AleX to try to throw for a change, they’ll throw him a bone in the 4th, and let him get in on the massacre, and give the fans a bigger thrill. The 49er OL will be running on fumes by them, and it’s gonna be bull-rush up the gut time. There is nothing usual about Fairley.
I’m most anxious to be if Calvin is going to draw triple team coverage; not that it matters. He’ll be going deep… and don’t forget about Titus Young, or that Stafford can throw the long ball. A WHOLE 206 yards offense against Dallas, huh? We had 240 passing against the NFC 3rd ranked Passing Defense, and I’m thinking around 350 will be enough against S.F.‘s 11th ranked. They play a 3-4 too; I remember the OL gave up a sack that game. S.F. wins the turn-over battles, but between Smith/Gore and Stafford/Best, the Lions fare better, and we get our share of turn-overs too. One amazing stat for Detroit, who has yet to incorporate much rushing into their scheme, is Jahvid Best trailing Gore by under 50 yards, with both teams at a 4.0/A. Of course, Best easily bests Gore in total yardage, while they both have 3 TDs. I don’t think there’s any argument regarding Hanson and Akers; we’ve had those days too, when our kicker was our highest scorer.
History will repeat itself, my friend. The last time Detroit started out 5-0, they ran it to 6-0 against the 49ers at Kesar; this time we’re at home. Enjoy the game, the best you can, and good luck next week.
DET 27 ~ sf 13
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by Gee Garold Lembach on Oct 14, 2011 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions
The 49er OL will be running on fumes by them, and it’s gonna be bull-rush up the gut time.
Based on what? They out enduranced every defensive line they’ve faced up to this point. I know, I know… you guys thing your defensive line is 10x’s everyone else’s. But I think you are taking a shot in the dark with that one. You may have depth, but so do we. We happen to use 7 differnent offensive line though the course of a game… don’t see things changing much in that regard.
There is nothing usual about Fairley.
Sample size? Just a little premature for this statement in my opinion. A rookie is still a rookie. Tampa thought their rookies and 2nd year McCoy were going to get the better of us as well. I don’t see Fairley getting a sack any time soon… but we’ll see.
Calvin is not going to draw triple coverage. Our defense will have schemes to slow him down and force Stafford in to more than one read.
History will repeat itself? Guess what? I hope it does … the 49ers have won the last 13 out of 15 match ups in the past 28 years. The two losses were by 2 and by 3.
I think you are severely underestimating our offense if you think we’re only going to put up 13 points on your defense. We did that against the Bengals (who happen to be the No. 1 rated defense in the NFL. You guys are ranked 12th. We’re ranked 13th. Your defense has given up more points to this point than ours has.) Our offense has averaged 28 points a game up to now.
As I said above, whoever wins, will probably not win by more than 4-5 points. If you think you all will blow us out, you’re in for a rude awakening.
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Not predicting a blow-out, Drew
Based on what?
Based on Detroit’s defensive strategy of wearing out an OL with 9 DL rotating; a 10th added to the roster this week, and not due to injury.. How else does a team overcome consecutive games of 2nd half deficits of 20 points? To bring the thought closer to home, I doubt the 49er OL was feeling frisky in blowing a 10 point 4th quarter lead at home to Dallas.
Sample size? Just a little premature for this statement in my opinion. A rookie is still a rookie.
Fairley was only in for 18 snaps in his debut, and blended well with Suh, Corey Williams, Sammie Hill, and Andre Fluellen. Fairley got good penetration, fought off blocks, had 3 quarterback pressures, and got in on a few piles with his limited action. The play from the interior line is only going to keep getting better as the season goes on. Yeah, rookies will be rookies. Suh was defensive rookie of the year in 2010, and finished 2nd for Defensive Player of the Year to Clay Matthews. Suh is one guy that James Harrison wouldn’t want to run into in a dark alley.
Calvin is not going to draw triple coverage. Our defense will have schemes to slow him down and force Stafford in to more than one read.
Stafford still has a lot to learn about reading defenses; he only has the equivalent of a few games past a season. The combination of Burleson and Young get more targets than Calvin now, while Pettigrew and Scheffler get their share too. Stafford needs work on getting in the groove from the onset, where most of his miscues occur.
History will repeat itself? Guess what? I hope it does …
As far as I know, Detroit has only played SF once before, when it started out 5-0, and then making it 6-0 back in 1956; Sunday will make it TWICE. Yeah, we have suffered mightily at the hands of the 49ers the past few decades. I remember walking out of the Silverdome in one of them at halftime, but that was against the LioNs. ;>/)
BTW, I consider a victory over 20 points a blow-out. I believe the Lion victory to be in the neighborhood of 11-14 points; maybe 17.
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by Gee Garold Lembach on Oct 15, 2011 12:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Fairley hasn’t got a tackle yet as far as I knew…
And I am anxious to see the “LioNs” play against my 49ers and get dealt a good ol’ fashioned butt whoopin’ (as the LioNs are used to at the hands of the Niners).
You are still overestimating… the two wins you had in ’85 and ’95 were by margins of less than three.
49ers will beat the LioNs this weekend. But it’s okay, you can lick your wounds after this weekend and go back and chomp on some Falcon next week.
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And in the win in '95, you had Herman Moore, Brett Perriman, and Barry Sanders.
Johnson may be better than Moore, but Best is no Barry Sanders.
And Matt Stafford is equivelant to today’s Scott Mitchell… Mitchell may have even been a bit better in 1995 than Stafford is at this point in his career.
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I forgot what I was going to ask
Oh yeah… isn’t Shawntae a girl’s name???
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by Gee Garold Lembach on Oct 15, 2011 2:01 AM PDT up reply actions
How else does a team overcome consecutive games of 2nd half deficits of 20 points?
Bad coaching and/or QB play by the opponent, turnovers, and a little luck. That’s why it’s rare. Dallas and Minnesota didn’t wear down. The former’s QB and the latter’s HC made it possible with play/decision making in the 3Q, not their respective OL being worn down in the 4th.
- Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Well, then SF outta look like world-beaters in the 4th quarter, Sunday, huh?
It will be a first!
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by Gee Garold Lembach on Oct 15, 2011 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions
he will play some amount as last week, just keep discounting us
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And you keep discounting us...
You think you’re playing the Niners of old or something. It’s time someone woke Detroit fans back up with a dose of reality.
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49eRs are good; the Lions are just better.
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by Gee Garold Lembach on Oct 15, 2011 12:50 AM PDT up reply actions
49ers are more physical and are going to kick…your….arse!! Haha
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AMLO
Now you have me assing my laugh off.
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by Gee Garold Lembach on Oct 15, 2011 2:12 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm sure you remember just two years ago when it happened, when you guys had Megatron still and all that... then again, maybe you have burried it. I know I would have if I was a Lions fan.
Here’s the link in case you forgot:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg3BjPPbQlQ
I know, I know…. you guys are all of the sudden the best team in the NFL because you’ve scraped up 5 wins.
And in your mind, the Niners are a bunch of sissy’s that don’t know how to play football.
I’m done talking. We’ll let the final results of the game on Sunday do the talking, agreed?
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you couldnt sound any sillier...
all of your players are probowlers… your team is gods gift to this earth and your coach is lights out. looks as though you could use a dose of reality too. NFC worst for a reason just keep up with your blind homerism
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Completely off topic
but I checked out your profile and noticed you have 31K comments in a little more than two years….HOLY SHIT. I had to do the math, and it came out to a little more than 41 comments per day…
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Game threads... a lot of comments in those.
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need a job
Matthew Stafford, Quarterback: a man barely alive, Gentlemen we can rebuild him, We have the technology, We have the capability to make the worlds first bionic QB, Matthew Stafford will be that man, Better than he was before
Better, Stronger, Faster
They said we were a one trick pony, talkin bout CALVIN. Well thats one hell of a TRICK!!!! - Nate B.
Here ya go:
http://www.careerbuilder.com/default.aspx?cbRecursionCnt=1
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thanks
Matthew Stafford, Quarterback: a man barely alive, Gentlemen we can rebuild him, We have the technology, We have the capability to make the worlds first bionic QB, Matthew Stafford will be that man, Better than he was before
Better, Stronger, Faster
They said we were a one trick pony, talkin bout CALVIN. Well thats one hell of a TRICK!!!! - Nate B.
just cant wait until next week and we have to listen to the falcons fans say oh shit you guys havent played anyone yet
Matthew Stafford, Quarterback: a man barely alive, Gentlemen we can rebuild him, We have the technology, We have the capability to make the worlds first bionic QB, Matthew Stafford will be that man, Better than he was before
Better, Stronger, Faster
They said we were a one trick pony, talkin bout CALVIN. Well thats one hell of a TRICK!!!! - Nate B.
sorry didnt me to curse if there is a curse policy
Matthew Stafford, Quarterback: a man barely alive, Gentlemen we can rebuild him, We have the technology, We have the capability to make the worlds first bionic QB, Matthew Stafford will be that man, Better than he was before
Better, Stronger, Faster
They said we were a one trick pony, talkin bout CALVIN. Well thats one hell of a TRICK!!!! - Nate B.
Why wait until Monday?
Falcon Talking Points FOR SALE…
“Big Deal… Detroit’s 6-0 is aided by being at home the last two weeks, and the last one against the team that Dallas beat, while the Lions humiliated the Cowboys at home. Detroit hasn’t beat who we beat this year, and haven’t played the Packers either. The Lions haven’t played anybody yet.”
LOL
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by Gee Garold Lembach on Oct 14, 2011 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions
exactly
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Better, Stronger, Faster
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Only you'll be 5 - 1.
Saw the same exact crap last week with the Tampa fans.
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You guys barely pulled it out vs the Vikings, of all teams
And had the Dallas game gift wrapped to you by Tony Romo. I think some of your bluster is a bit misplaced. We’ll see what happens.
Eh
They still earned both those wins though. Cowboys don’t have a run game so it kind of makes sense (two pick straight pick 6s is absurd though).
The Vikings on the other hand have absolutely no excuse whatsoever. They should have given the ball to AP every play in the 2nd half, if Sing had anything to do with their offense they probably would have won (NOTE: That would be a terrible idea).
by Virginia9er on Oct 14, 2011 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions
There's no excuse for Romo choking not once, but twice at the end there.
Very poor judgement on both those throws… Cornerbacks barely had to move to pick them.
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Romo had to deal with extreme pressure, which AleX will find out all about.
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by Gee Garold Lembach on Oct 15, 2011 12:52 AM PDT up reply actions
He's dealt with pressure pretty much all year...with exception to last week
You act like dealing with pressure is something new in his career. He’s been doing it for 7 years now… he is just doing it at a much higher level and playing better under those conditions by making “cool-headed decisions”.
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Sunday he'll have "happy feet."
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by Gee Garold Lembach on Oct 15, 2011 2:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Okay…sure just like he did the last time he mopped you up 20-6
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Thank you for feeding THE 12TH MAN...
(digestion in progess)
WARNING… … PLEASE STAND BACK AWAY FROM THE BEAST NEAR KICKOFF TIME
Energy expulsion may be hazardous to your hearing! Please remove all women, children and trasvestites in the 4th quater, when the excrument cycle reaches final stages.
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by Gee Garold Lembach on Oct 15, 2011 6:45 AM PDT up reply actions
That must’ve been intoxicating for you to write that dull garbage… I bet in your own mind, it sounded genius, eh?
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ROFL... more creative than your feeble response, Drew.
Something tells me, that a 49er loss is gonna mean that we can’t be friends no more. I sorry.
I thought you guys were serious about pre-game ribbing and confidence over the outcome, but perhaps the combination of my confidence and the doubt lurking in the back of your head is more than the string can bear.
All this talk this week about Lions having to muster two consecutive 20 point deficits in the 2nd half, to set a NFL record has bored me. I know these guys don’t quit. I’m sure there would be more money waged on betting that line though, opposed to whether the 49eRs can protect a 10 point 4th quarter lead at home. It might be in your DNA… in the ’57 playoffs with Detroit, in a memoral Lion victory, the Lions scored 24 unanswered points in the 2nd half to pull that one out 31-27; also in your crib!
Count your blessings that you are on the road for a big game; just sorry for you guys it just has to be DetroiT. Our 12Man figuratively takes the field, but you guys will be flagged for it. LOL How you you like that one?!!
Not to worry about your playoff hopes though… the 49ers could win the West with a 8-8 record this season, and knowing that is your destiny sorta explains this arrogance that SF can actually win here. Oh, it IS possible… but not this time. We’ll possibly be working on some new things… providing that we dont HAVE to post another one of those comeback victories, so I discount a blowout; just a comfortable victory for the those energized Lions.
Hm-mmm, we haven’t had much of a comeback-styled victory at home; you can’t really count 3 points down at halftime. It might be good practice; just sayin…
Enjoy the game, my friend!
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by Gee Garold Lembach on Oct 15, 2011 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions
doubt lurking in the back of your head is more than the string can bear
I have no doubt…
pssssttt….
[whispers in Gee Garold’s ear]
Crystal balls and magic aren’t real.
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Hm-mmm, we haven’t had much of a comeback-styled victory at home;
Oh, you’re talking about the part where Tony Romo choked and gift-wrapped two INT’s to GIVE you the game for an early Christmas present.
How sweet.
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Same Romo
Yep, same one who torched SF for 2 TDs… hell, Kitna got 1 too on that hellacious Defense, and in your own crib! LOL
Yeah… a real defense can go into Dallas… give Romo some rope, and then play some rope-a-dope with him. Okay… I’ll stop. You’re not really too worried about another loss anyway. Who else is going to win the West?
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by Gee Garold Lembach on Oct 15, 2011 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions
torched?
Haha, this is perfect depiction of just how delusional you are.
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Oh, is "delusional" around?
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by Gee Garold Lembach on Oct 15, 2011 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I know... these are really hard questions.
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by Gee Garold Lembach on Oct 15, 2011 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm sure you all will beat the Packers for the North...
You silly little man, you.
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your trying to discount our win against Dallas because apparently it was gift wrapped
You play in the worst division in the NFL and will be in playoffs because you play the shittiest teams in football. So lets talk about things gift wrapped, you cant possibly be as stupid as you sound
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dude it's reality...
Anyone who claims that Romo didn’t choke in that game is delusional…
Those defensive backs didn’t have to move to grab those passes.
It was almost Neil O’Donnelesque what Romo did.
I’ll wait for you to deny it…
3…2….1….
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look at the tape again
Houston was getting beat by Romo and Laurent Robinson all day long. He made an adjustment in the half and made a play. Carpenter’s INT was also because Bobby made a read and made a play. the only real gift was the last INT by Tully
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Gyorick man
While I agree with you, realize this is an opposing teams blog and we don’t wanna make ourselves look bad….let’s leave that to them
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Haha
You guys (not you specifically) have already done plenty of that both on your board and ours for it to have stuck already.
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While the rest of the fans on here were gracious
I can’t say the same for you…
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I’m not here to be gracious… I’m here to talk football and call out BS when I see it. I could not care less what you or any Detroit fan thinks of me.
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exactly cause every lions fan is detroit...
just keep proving the haters right
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DUH... ya think? He's an instigator with nothing; that's all.
I figure he’s up past his night time. I’m outta here Latif, before he gets grounded and has to miss the game.
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by Gee Garold Lembach on Oct 15, 2011 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions
You funny, clever, witty guy, you...
adios
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Good point...
the crying towells are already dripping all over the floor in here.
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by Gee Garold Lembach on Oct 15, 2011 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I can assure you I've laughed my ass off
quite a bit already at the nonsense I’ve been reading from Lions fans.
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and I never knew one man could make an entire site look this bad...
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::awkward silence:::
/steps away from the blog
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I'm pretty sure a few on here would appreciate if you did...
and I’m not talking about Lions fans
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Everyone here knows me. And they all know I don’t put up or tolerate BS
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seeing how your own managing editor
calls you a “usual suspects”
I wonder why everyone really knows you…
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He said "Drew Kerr is the usual suspect"
I can read… no need to be condescending.
I asked you where? If you can’t show me, then I call BS.
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Here
I was tempted to close the comments on this because it’s turned into a back and forth between some of the usual suspects and is taking away from what was a good exchange with Lions fans.
Emphasis on the “back and forth”. You’re the only one that is having a back and forth between Lions fans, so it really can’t refer to anyone else.
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what is this the florida recount
this is like below where you want me to go find the comments where it was mentioned best was slow and your going to sack stafford atleast 4 times, you know it has happened so if you want to take part responsibility for it or just blame it on us trolls thats up to you my friend
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I’ve known Fooch for 2 years now and I know for a fact he didn’t call me that.
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just a real man here no BS
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just going here by what you tell me
i was just reiterating so everyone knows that you are fair and balanced, no BS kind of guy
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I believe I am when people are being respectful. I had plenty of productive comments in this thread about the game itself until some folks (not from this blog) got a little carried away.
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both sides have homers
and believe there players are the best players in the NFL. But discounting our guys over and over and over doesnt really promote like this fun back and forth atmosphere
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I haven’t discounted any (outside of Best in the run game)…
If anything, I have been giving a lot of due where dues are deserved.
I have said plenty of positve things about Stafford, Johnson, Suh, and some of the others.
I saw, and noticed flaws in your linebacking corps as well.
So the only things I have questioned are things that are questionable, or so I’ve seen.
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Worst division
Looks more like the AFC South now. You’ll note that the Niners are winning games against non-NFCW teams.
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wah wah
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I can tell you idolize clowns by about... well, lets see 100% of you comments.
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Assing my laugh off...
Drew, you’re killin’ me… you never met a question or fact you can’t avoid, have you?
BWAH-HA-HA-HA
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by Gee Garold Lembach on Oct 15, 2011 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions
doesnt even make sense
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Yeah it does..
I know the school systems aren’t the greatest in Detroit, it’s okay… I’ll give you a pass.
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drew
you don’t really have anything to gain by continuing this. Let it go.
by Andrew9erfan on Oct 15, 2011 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions
If you were the niners how do you stop Johnson?
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When Jim Harbaugh says "more is more" I think he is trying to say Moore is more.
pregame kidnapping
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by n4ry4 on Oct 11, 2011 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Whew
For the most part, if you bracket cover him with blazing fast corners and safeties, you’ll probably get away from any big damages, but you still have to deal with him in the red zone, which I honestly don’t think there is a solution to. We actually had a fanpost that talked about finding ways to stop Megatron, and no one could really come up with anything.
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If you were to do a power ranking on both the 49ers defense and the Lions defense...
where would you place both…
I’m asking this question to get a good idea of where your perspective is at.
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Let's see
I have done my research for the Niners post yet, so I don’t know a TON about your defense yet. The Lions rank 4th in the NFL in points allowed so far, and I think that’s a pretty good place to put them at. I would say the 9ers defense is about the 10th best in the NFL without looking up any numbers.
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Again
I know the Lions rankings, not a whole lot about the Niners. Lions rank 4th in the NFL in scoring, and that’s the perfect spot to put them at. Maybe number three. I know Alex Smith only had 4 TDs going into last Sunday, so the offense can’t be all that explosive. I would go with 20th in the NFL.
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Damn
That’s pretty impressive considering you have have played a few quality teams
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Yeah, but you won't be there AFTER Sunday.
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by Gee Garold Lembach on Oct 15, 2011 6:52 AM PDT up reply actions
2nd actually.
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Detroit will move up, and SF will move down... just sayin'
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by Gee Garold Lembach on Oct 15, 2011 6:53 AM PDT up reply actions
stats can be decieving
our offense is a lot better than you’d think. Harbaugh took his time installing the offense, adding a little bit more each week. Once things got clicking…well…you saw what happened to Tampa.
by Andrew9erfan on Oct 11, 2011 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions
We haven't seen the same offensive plays really week to week.
Seems like it’s evolved each week.
Delanie, “We’re just scratching the surface on the playbook”.
That thing must be thicker than the Bible.
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Better yet
When we have seen the same plays, they’ve been from different formations, with different personnel, or both.
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Also
Yds/G
Lions = 12th
49ers = 13th
Pts/G
49ers = 3rd (15.6)
Lions = 4th (17.8)
This is exactly why I was questioning your perspective.
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It is understandable
90% of NFL fans would probably guess about what he did with no research.
No one talks about us…Harbaugh likes it that way.
He was just guessing on no research...
Not too mean, a fair guess… I wouldn’t have done much better guessing about the lions before this week…
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That's called stopping Stafford... not Johnson.
I don’t think there is an answer for Johnson by himself. Obviously he needs a quarterback but when all that quarterback has to do is get it within a 10 yard radius of Johnson for a completion, then it’s pretty evident that he cannot be stopped.
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Huh , thats exactly how you do it ...!!
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If he gets the pass off, even if it's off target, Johnson will get it.
You CAN’T stop him (Johnson) individually.
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What are talking about , getting to the Qb is every D game plan , stopping the run is a given and has been for years for the Niners ...
… the games they constanly lose is the pass game with lack of pressure on the Qb , it’s been that way for years …!!
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You're not getting to the quarterback on every passing play, so your point is moot.
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Umm, they didn’t get to him every play. I saw the game. They’re good but not that good. Nobody is.
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Hope that O " boy " ...!!
was for yourself.
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Dang Drew just when i thought you were starting to understand the game , well you just became the same old Drew ...! !
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Okay, haha… says the guy that defenses can get to the quarterback on every play.
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Way to spin that , obvious you can't hit him ( Every ) play ...
… point being , getting after the Qb , is prolly the best way to slow down Johnson …!!
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Thank you for wording it correctly this time ;)
“slow down Johnson” … because as I said, you cannot stop him.
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What ( prolly ) ...!!
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Yeah
That won’t make a ton of difference either
Shaun Hill, who you guys know pretty well, is a very solid backup, and Calvin put up 11TDs last year with our 2nd and 3rd string guys starting and put up 12 in the season of tears, when we started Dan “Self Safety” Orlovsky…
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Semm to work pretty good on Cutler last nite , no time to throw = nobody to throw too ...!!
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Culter doesn't HAVE anyone to throw to anyways
A HOF punt returner, a great kick returner and the Lions Millen era trash don’t really coun’t as wide receivers…
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Actually, Hester is turning in to a pretty decent receiver too this year.
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And Knox isn't horrible... not great, but not horrible
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Meh
Hester is still pretty one dimensional as a receiver. He’s good on the quick throws and deep routes, where he can use his speed and quickness. Not much of a mid range, actual receiver game yet. Knox looks like more or less the same story.
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But the point is that he's progressing at the position.
Before this year, he was a half-trick pony… he is working hard I think and I can see a difference.
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Oh ya
but I don’t think he’s ever going to be a good NFL receiver.
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the point is
that there’s no comparison to Megatron for receiving targets
by Andrew9erfan on Oct 11, 2011 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Fitzgerald is a very close second.
He plays on a crappy team with no quarterback. Put that guy on a team like New England though and see what happens.
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And we've actually stopped-slowed Fitz down on a few different occasions.
So there’s hope.
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yeah, we've just kinda had Fitz's number
even when he had Kurt Warner throwing to him
by Andrew9erfan on Oct 11, 2011 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Spencer of all players
Has been really good against Fitz. He seems to be his best pressing the bigger guys on the line. Smaller, quicker guys he’s no where near as effective.
Isn't Knox the top receiver in the West?
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by Gee Garold Lembach on Oct 15, 2011 6:59 AM PDT up reply actions
You give Cutler time to throw , no matter whom his recievers are he will tear it up , as with most Qb's in the NFL ...!!
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You can give Daunte Culpepper all day
He’ll just load up cheeseburgers…
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Well Duante has one of the best Qb rating of all time , but i'm not a stat guy , now you see why ...!!
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His stats days sure weren't with Detroit
With us, he was a 300 lb tackling dummy for the opposing defense..
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He’ll be brain-dead after one more season of abuse under Mike Martz’s offense.
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Cutler played out of his mind last night.
28/38 with no picks and under constant pressure—pretty much on improvisation alone.
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by SanFranciscoKnights on Oct 11, 2011 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions
The only possible way to control Johnson is...
to disrupt him at the line of scrimmage. A big cornerback that can play press coverage is probably the best bet. If you can disrupt hsi route before you get started, that is rally the only chance you have. The problem is that Calvin Johnson is 240 lbs this season so he is typically 50 lbs heavier than most cornerbacks. That makes him very difficult to reroute. Even then you will need some safety help over the top in order to allow your big cornerback to front Calvin and try to tip balls that are jump balls.
I guess that the 49ers would mainly put Carlos Rogers on Megatron. Let’s look at the vital statistics for both players.
Calvin Johnson is 6’5" with a 43" (3’7") vertical leap. That is a total of 10 feet. Carlos Rogers is 6’0" with a 39" vertical leap. That is 9’ 3" total. So Calvin Johnson gets a nine inch jump advantage on Rogers even before they raise their arms above their head. It is almost certain that Megatron will have another couple of inches advantage in arm length as well, since he has long arms. That makes the advantage that Megatron will enjoy on a jump ball nearly a full foot. Very few, if any, cornerbacks in the NFL can really defend him on a well-thrown and timed jump ball. He caught a jump ball over three Cowboys defenders in Dallas.
All I can say is, good luck.
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The only way to contain Calvin Johnson, is to have Darelle Revis on your team
Even Charles Woodson gave up a TD to him in double coverage with safety help over the top from Nick Collins.
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i actually think, with stafford at the helm, Revis would need help too.
The Disassembly Line....nuff said.
Possibly, I hope we find out this year!
Since the J-E-T-S Jets Jets Jets are not on the schedule it would have to be a super bowl match up ;)
P.S. Do California natives, Niners fans, hate mark Sanchez as much as Lions fans seem to? There is a popular saying on Pride of Detroit “#andF***marksanchez”
Even though I don’t have any huge issues with him, on a personal level he seems like a decent guy. I think Lions fans in general get a bit over sensitive about all the “Sanchez is better than Stafford” talk that went on with his early success on a team that allowed him to take baby steps.
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LoL yeah, just replied down below to get the general opinion out there, guess I shoulda posted it as a new reply
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Not that I'm aware of
Niners have yet to play the Rex/Sanchez Jets (we do next season).
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You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Don't hate the guy,
but we know he’s hella over rated :P
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by afrikabamboodle on Oct 12, 2011 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
I think the media gushes over him a bit
but that has a lot to do with the fact that he plays for the Jets, who are a marketable team right now. His looks too. I don’t think there are too many guys in/around football who think he is that great.
I don't hate him.
But he’s not a good quarterback.
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Who do you think will be optimus prime?
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When Jim Harbaugh says "more is more" I think he is trying to say Moore is more.
You'll need to get optimus prime
yes, the actual robot…try signing him by tomorrow so he get acclimated with your playbook…
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that would be soo cool
he could play S
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When Jim Harbaugh says "more is more" I think he is trying to say Moore is more.
Goldson = Optimis Prime.
Couple of these should do the trick
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This was actually the one I was looking for
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Dashon Goldson is the best physical matchup for Calvin Johnson, but he may not be enough.
Goldson is 6’2" with a 34" vertical leap. That is a total of 9 feet even to the top of his head on a jump. Calvin Johnson is 6’5" with a 43" vertical jump. That is 10 foot total. That means Johnson can reach more than a foot over Goldson for a jump ball.
Goldson’s 40 yard dash is 4.69 seconds and Calvin Johnson is 4.35 in the 40 yard dash. So I do not expect Goldson to be able to keep up with Jonson for very long either.
The 49ers hopes to cover Megatron rest on a couple of things. You have to get solid bumps from your cornerbacks off the line in order to reroute Megatron. You will need double coverage with Carlos Rogers underneath Johnson and Goldson over the top. So stopping Calvin is going to take a commitment of two of the 49ers best cover guys in the secondary. On top of that you need to hope that Stafford does not throw accurately enough for Calvin to use his vertical ability to simply out-jump the 49ers defenders.
Once again, good luck with that.
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Goldson is a head-hunter
He won’t get into too many-jump ball situations with Johnson. He’ll simply time his arrival so that he nails Johnson as he is coming down. We’ll see how many Johnson can hold onto after a few of those…
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by Riding The F Train on Oct 12, 2011 12:30 AM PDT up reply actions
That might work.
As long as he does not take penalties doing it.
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He will
I’m a little concerned about that after the last game. He was pretty freaky. I’m sure Harbaugh has already had a chat with him.
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"I was just running toward the ball," Smith said. "The guys in front of him were making him slow up a little bit. I just went for the ball and, luckily, it was there."
What are you talking about?
That his was completely and totally legal. That’s the way the NFL wants it to be done? Why in the world would Harbaugh “chat” with him on that other than to congratulate him for doing it the right way?
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by Drew Kerr on Oct 12, 2011 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
chat:
keep up the good work, don’t get sloppy. Head up, lead with the shoulder. Try wrapping up too. The larger guys may just bounce off so keep your arms up. If you get in too early, make a play on the ball. You’re doing great Hawk, don’t apologize for playing full effort.
Nah.
That’s what Sing would do.
Harbaugh praises good play and points out flaws when necessary. There was nothing flawed about that play.
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If Sing did that
He did well.
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I don't think he did it that cordially but none the less.
He didn’t praise good plays so much as he hammered down poor play and failed to encourage… which is the point.
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Nah, that's what a good coach would do...
Told him great effort, complimented the excellent play, and then told him something to work on…
That’s a GREAT chat…
One better timed when he actually makes the mistake.
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This
Goldson hits hard doesn’t always go for the INT
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When Jim Harbaugh says "more is more" I think he is trying to say Moore is more.
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Ok
What do you think is your biggest weakness and what is the best way to beat the Lions?
by Dilon on Oct 11, 2011 7:37 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
There are a few
Run defense is so-so. Forte was the first 100 yard rusher against the Lions yesterday, but Peterson had a good day, and Jamaal Charles was having a decent game against the Lions.
On offense, the biggest issue is consistency. The Lions offense has come out extremely flat the last three games, and scored only 10 points in the last three first halves. I hope they can change that, but I honestly expect similar results.
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I almost hope we don't get up big on you
Hasn’t worked out for anyone else…;)
No you can get up big on us
Just don’t be dumb enough like the Vikings to rush AP just 5 times the entire second half or like the Cowboys who decided to keep Brett Favre Lite Tony Romo in the game
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So what you're saying in essence is if we keep lining up 7 power pigs up front
we can dominate your front seven?
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If you can find enough manpower to cover
I) Calvin Johnson
II) Nate Burleson
III) Brandon Pettigrew
IV) Tony Scheffler
V) Jahvid Best
VI) Titus Young
Sure, go right ahead :)
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Oh
You could, but then you’re one dimensional and predictable…two things you don;t want to be when going against Gunther Cunningham, the defensive coordinator. Plus, the Lions have been very good thus far in stopping runs in predictable situations. Its really the draw plays or misdirections that have given them trouble.
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We have a few of those types of plays ;)
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What about defending runs to the outdside?
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I'm not sure why
but teams haven’t really tried running outside on the Lions a whole lot so far this season. We did get two new OLBs in the offseason (one was on the roster, just shifted spots), and both of them are very fast for linebackers. That could be it, but there haven’t been very many outside runs.
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I saw a lot of potential over-pursuit last night by the DE's.
Those guys were flying… I am thinking a good dose of draw off-tackle type runs would cure that eagerness pretty quick.
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Its the wide 9
The D-linemen are taught to “defend the run on their way to the quarterback”. Those are Suh’s exact words. They overpursue a good amount of the time, but they are pretty stiff in the red zone thus far and finally have the speed in the back end to catch up to anyone from doing any serious damage
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yeah, I thought you guys ran the wide 9
the eagles run it too, only not very well but I’m assuming that your linebackers are better.
by Andrew9erfan on Oct 11, 2011 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh yes
and we have an actual defensive coordinator (unlike the Eagles) and have been running it for a couple of years. Its got its issues, but it has gotten the job done so far
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And this is the only thing I am worried about to be honest:
I) Calvin Johnson
II) Nate Burleson
III) Brandon Pettigrew
IV) Tony Scheffler
V) Jahvid Best
VI) Titus Young
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That's pretty much what all opponets said before the game
You’ll find out who the rest of the guys are
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I know who they are. I've seen them.
They’re all not as scary as Megatron… that’s all I was saying.
Jahvid Best is a big play guy… we’ve been good at shutting down RB’s thus far.
Burleson is an obvious number two on any team.
Pettigrew is lethal, or can be when he shows up.
Scheffler is second rate.
And Titus Young has not really seen the ball too much. 43 yards on one play which was a HUGE chunk of his 195.
But I know who we are facing. You, as evidence of your comments and confidence, don’t know who you’re facing. Which is a good thing. I hope that your team has this exact same mindset.
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Don't get me wrong
I’m not overlooking the 49ers. I’m confident on the LIONS, not down on the Niners. I do think it could be a trap game for the Lions with them having a short week and coming off the emotion of Monday Night, but I just don’t see enough firepower on the Niners side to stay with the Lions for 60 minutes, and teams don’t do very well when they make the three time zone shift, so we’ll just have to wait and see how it turns out.
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2-0 in 10am games.
I think already experiencing it helps a little bit.
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48 - 3 against Tampa Bay isn't enough fire power?
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To be honest
We faced Tampa in the season opener and they didn’t look all that impressive. 48-3 is impressive, but to me that is a one week thing until some of the unkown pieces on the Niners prove they are for real much like the Lions did last season.
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4-1 with one OT loss is for real.
I think you’re really underestimating the 49ers and overestimating the Lions.
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I meant in terms of offensive firepower
Not sure if I consider the 49ers right up there with New Orleans and Green Bay as explosive offenses, and I don’t consider the Lions to be in their league either. What I mean was you need an offense like that to beat the Lions at home
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How much have you watched the 2011 49ers offense?
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None
Aside from highlights, so I am speaking of only based on numbers
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Highlights lol (not laughing at you just find it funny because our highlights are never on TV)
did you go on youtube to find them or did you view the media’s highlights
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When Jim Harbaugh says "more is more" I think he is trying to say Moore is more.
It was meant as a half joke anyways
I watch enough NFL Network and ESPN to catch any team highlights
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Those highlights suck
lemme find the youtube highlights
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When Jim Harbaugh says "more is more" I think he is trying to say Moore is more.
I couldn't find it :)
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When Jim Harbaugh says "more is more" I think he is trying to say Moore is more.
Okay, but I just showed you numbers to prove that the 49ers are right there
with the Lions, sooo…. you lost me.
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Yes, you did
But like I pointed out, the Niners only had 4 passing TDs going into the TBay game and have 7 in the season in total. They have scored a lot of points so far, but that isn’t the same thing as saying CAN score a lot when needed.
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Matt Stafford has 5 more TD throws
But he also has thrown 3 more INT’s than Smith. Niners have not really turned the ball over much, which is more than what the Lions could say on offense
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True
But are you really gonna try to convince me that Alex Smith is a good quaterback?
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No he totally and completely sucks.. it’s why we’re 4 – 1.
Again, your perspective is like everyone else’s that has not watched this team this year.
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Calm down man
I totally respect the 49ers (as if I haven;t said that enough). I do not think they are a fluke, but I see my team more often than a team on the west coast, and I’ve seen my team go up against the best in the NFL last year and hold up pretty well. That’s why I’m confident, not so much because of 5-0…I kinda saw that one coming…
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hes not bad
and is ranked 10 in DVOA
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When Jim Harbaugh says "more is more" I think he is trying to say Moore is more.
If he plays like he is for an entire season
We shouldn’t have to convince anybody. We all said he needed a coach who could actually coach him. This may be what we drafted, it just took the brilliant FO this long to understand what kind of coach to get to tap it.
Or it may be a fluke, which I def don’t think it is. We’ll see.
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see the second half of the eagles game
to see if they can score when needed
by Andrew9erfan on Oct 11, 2011 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Bengals game too, wasn't as flashy but
Hunter and Akers came through in the 4th when they needed to.
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if I were you
I’d be more concerned about our ability to score slowly than fast. By that, I mean that we can really do a great job with keeping the ball away from the other teams offense by running really long scoring drives. Best defense for Megatron is to not let him on the field.
by Andrew9erfan on Oct 11, 2011 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Niners have been pretty solid at ball control and field position.
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and thats the biggest thing that scares me about the Niners
If the Niners have to play from behind, I’m not nearly as concerned
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We were behind against the number one ranked defense this year (Bengals)
And the Eagles, and did just fine with that situation.
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Its the thing with early season numbers
They don’t always tell the right story.
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Exactly...
And you have not watched the Niners other than highlights, so a lot of your doubt isn’t warranted.
All the other teams you have played are different teams that what you’re going to see on Sunday.
Even if we lose, the Lions will be walking out of that game licking wounds. Mark my words.
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Not gonna be an easy game for either team.
And it seems as though you’re thinking the Lions are going to just go all cruise control on the 49ers.
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HELL No
Again, don’t let my confidence on the Lions make it look like I’m overlooking the 49ers. You have to a good team to lay a 48-3 beatdown on any team in the NFL
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Wouldn't be surprised
I think this will be the Lions toughest game so far just because of the way the Niners are built.
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But...
Our quarterback sucks, right?
We’ll see ;)
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are you aware
that Alex Smith has some of the best red zone stats in the NFL for quarterbacks. And I’m not talking this season, I mean career.
by Andrew9erfan on Oct 11, 2011 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions
True
What is he, like 32-1 or something?
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That's pretty interesting
I know he’s had scheme issues and whatnot, so maybe the rest of the number are just bad because he didn’t fit in in the other schemes. It’ll be interesting to see him on Sunday
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Which announcer said, “He has HOF numbers in the RZ” ???
Can’t remember…
Anyway, good point. If we’re running the ball good, and get in to RZ situations enough, it could be the difference.
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I think the same holds true with us as well.
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The bears tried that too.
Time of Possesion:
Bears 40min
Lions 20min
(roughly)
Doesn’t work on an offense that can score on a 1-2 play drive at any time.
TOP is overrated
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by Amendola dolla billz y'all on Oct 11, 2011 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I actually didn’t get the feeling that the Bears tried it. The Lions just didn’t have the ball for very long (combo of unsustained drives + quick scores). Chicago’s offense looked patchwork at times and I would not give Lovie credit for having much of a plan Monday night. His game management was quite poor.
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Honestly
latif is right we have yet to proove that we very good fire power on a consistent basis. We are also down another reciever which can be argued that he was alex’s favorite wr not counting Vernon or gore strictly the wr position. Now i do believe he is underestimating us a bit but our offense needs to show they can be just as dominant as they were against the bucs. I personally think that we can come out with the W if we continue getting the ball to vernon and delanie and crabs as much as possible as well as get hunter and gore going quickly
I have watched the Niners play
To be honest this is a very good game plan by your Coach. But it is a offensive philosophy geared toward protecting Alex Smith… and reducing what he is asked to do and allowing him to build confidence…. but what will happen when he is asked to go score points and has to throw it more than 20 times ?… will he revert back to “bad Alex Smith”? He really has been more of a game manager with very little asked of him…. even that 48 points scored by both the Lions vs KC and the Niners vs Bucs showed teams that fell apart…. wasn’t really a offensive show by either team…. but can the Niners go out and get 35 points if the team your facing isn’t turning the ball over?…. I mean i think Detroit can put up 35 points without a turnover…
Niners have a very good formula or winning.. run the ball and stop the run. I believe in that…i believe a team that does this week in a week out will be in every game and have a chance. … Just how does the Niners respond to a team that is scoring and not turning the ball over?… Can use the “protect Smith” offence forever.
Watch the Eagles game
He was asked to go score points when they were down 21 points and he did.
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by Haggardninja on Oct 12, 2011 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
What you see as "game managing" and "protecting Smith"
I see as “being ask to run a variation of a WCO that is very close to the original”…
Consider this… (and I am not in any way shape or form comparing Alex Smith to Joe Montana… I repeat I am not comparing the Greatest of all time to our current QB… I am also not comparing Walsh to Harbaugh)
Montana’s career Yards Passing Per Game: 211.2 yards
Montana’s career Pass Attempts per Game: 28
Joe Montana… a game manager?
I think not.
Even when Joe Cool was marching the Niner’s offense down during his many comebacks during the 80’s he never relied on the deep ball or the big play to do so. It was always short surgical strikes to his receivers 8 – 10 yards. Big plays (not all but most, since I have seen highlights of Joe chucking one down the field now and then) were had by Rice (or Taylor, or Jones) eluding the tackle and running another extra 10 – 20 yards after the catch.
My point is this…
Harbaugh is running a version of a WC system. While some WC coaches have added a deep pass element to the original WC system ran by Walsh, Harbaugh went the other way and added a power running element to the basic WC principles of short/intermediate passes. And it’s not just when he came here to SF, his Standford teams were running this same power element even with a supposedly elite QB. So we really can’t say that Harbaugh is handicapped by Alex’s limitations.
IIRC, Mike McCarthy (another adaptor of the WCO) was the OC they year we drafted Alex Smith. I’m thinking that he saw qualities in Alex that would allow him to be successful under the WCO the same way Harbaugh did when he was wooing Alex Smith during the off season.
It is very easy to say that Alex’s role has been reduced to “game manager” given the career he has had so far. But maybe, just maybe, Smith is fulfilling what McCarthy saw when he drafted him number one. A QB with all the tools to run and execute a WC system successfully.
by NinerFanTucson on Oct 12, 2011 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
pretty much
To be honest this is a very good game plan by your Coach. But it is a offensive philosophy geared toward protecting Alex Smith… and reducing what he is asked to do and allowing him to build confidence…. but what will happen when he is asked to go score points and has to throw it more than 20 times ?… will he revert back to "bad Alex Smith"? He really has been more of a game manager with very little asked of him
this is correct, but niner fans are basking in their 4-1 record and NFC West Lead and the temperate observations on A Smith will get some push back. Up until the 2nd half of the Eagles game, just two short weeks ago, AS had been struggling with the same old issues — poor pocket awareness and an inability to make reads/plays down the field
Dude are you a 49ers fan?
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by afrikabamboodle on Oct 12, 2011 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Dude...
what makes you think I’m not?…
Are you a 49ers homer? Don’t answer that…
I think Mavryk said it aptly: If you feel my observation of AS is way off the mark, feel free to engage and offer points as to why I’m wrong, and then the free flowing, entertaining, substantive debate/exchange can begin. I’m totally open to it, and I’m open to evidence/counter arguments.
You asking me my allegiances is kind of perplexing.
I'm just curious dude,
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a positive comment from you regarding the 49ers at all. It just seems like, you’re a fan of something because it just sucks less than everything else :)
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by afrikabamboodle on Oct 12, 2011 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I dunno :P
I’m just saying that your 49er allegiance doesn’t seem like a positive one. As in your allegiance is negatively based because everything else just sucks and there’s nothing better to root for so you’re stuck with this one. You’re a Debbie Downer :(
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by afrikabamboodle on Oct 12, 2011 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
The problem is that he was probably born in the late 80's, early 90's
So he doesn’t know what success looks like and has only witnessed the bad… so he naturally expects the worst outcome opposed to a good one.
It’s the only logical explanation I can think of.
Then again, some people just naturally expect the worst in all of life’s situations.
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since logic hasn't been your
specialty, I’ll cut you some slack on this one. What you see as pessimism, I view as seeking a more tempered understanding. For example, why is it irrational or a product of innate pessimism to not be moved by AS performance thus far when his sample size for not being good is incredibly large? Things like that. I find it dishonest (even though I know that isn’t your intention) to let allegiances cause one to speak/write gibberish
Jesus... this is the exact type of crap I'm speaking on.
A borderline personal attack is soooo much more “logical” than logic itself in your small world.
The problem is that you cannot find it within your pessimistic being to say anything positive at any point… and that is the point.
Capische?
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I've complimented you many times Drew!
You accuse other of being trolls all the time for confronting your intemperate optimism when you are the troll. Calling someone else a troll 1,000 times doesn’t stop you from being one. You have the direct, confrontational style, and I treat you accordingly.
I don't think I've ever seen you two agree on anything,
let alone compliment each other haha. I’m not picking sides and would rather this long argument end already, but at least with Drew, we know he’s a 49er fan and defends the 49ers accordingly, which is very understandable. It’s just I didn’t even know if you were a 49er fan because all your points are always pointing out the negatives and while you have a right to do that, your ongoing disagreements with some of the community members are usually about how the 49ers suck more than we realize and you constantly have to drive the nail on the point about how the 49ers aren’t good at this, or AleX Smith isn’t as effective as we want etc etc. Again, you’re free to voice your opinion, I understand that, you’re just voicing a negative one that most people won’t appreciate is all :P
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by afrikabamboodle on Oct 12, 2011 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions
all of that is fair
except you guys are drawn to my posts that are explicitly antithetical to yours. You ignore my others.
And me and Drew have agreed on many things. We both like ice cream and long walks on the beach
that my thoughts
that are anitithetical to yours brings you down in any way is alarming. Why must others vindicate you about your own views of this team? If you feel what I say has no merit, it shouldn’t move/affect you an inch. I enjoy the dialectic, and I enjoy being in a situation where I may come to a different conclusion based on other people’s feedback.
Doesn’t “move/affect” me really other than being annoyed at times.
It does on the other hand make me question why you are here. Why you even bother to comment with negative things all the time.
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I'm pretty sure we're here for the same reasons
we just come at it from different perspectives etc. As I said to afrikaboombie (or something like that), you can refute my comments if you feel I’m blatantly wrong, or you can ignore. But to whine about negativity (rather than further the argument/discussion), or to get childishly defensive (at times), to never concede any points (ever), or to question my allegiances is odd and useless.
It just gets old when there is no balance.
If you can’t see that, that’s your problem. Not ours.
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Why are you so negative about the team all the time.
I don’t think that I’ve seen many positive comments from you. If you are a fan as you claim to be, why is that so difficult for you to do?
I mean, it seems even when people find positives and give their reasons why, you try and pick it apart.
To me, it’s very difficult for me to see that you are really a fan and are here for anything other than kicking dust around.
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Just my take on it anyway.
Apparently I am not the only one that see’s it that way.
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My belief as well Drew :/
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by afrikabamboodle on Oct 12, 2011 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
very measured..
I knew deep down I liked you!
I think we have different conceptions of the word “fan”, which I guess is okay. I don’t think a fan must refrain from speaking dispassionately when trying to objectively evaluate their favorite team. I’d argue that the analysis/persepctive from many fans tend to be biased and of course favorable to their team. I don’t try and search either way. My views tend to be more tempered than most. I feel I have good reasons, so I share them. You fell you have good reasons, and you share them. Then we can further discuss which has more merit, or when its good to just disagree.
Kick dust around? not so much. More so sharing my thoughts, since I disagree with much of the takes here. If I think there are good reasons to pump sunshine I will, and when there are good reasons to pull some sobriety in the mix, I will. I also gain quite a bit of knowledge (stats etc.) from reading these threads…
At least bring balance... that's all I am saying.
I have said both negative and positive things about the team… but I always at least try and have a balanced outlook.
The perception you have built is not one of someone who tries to look at the team objectively but one who tries to bring everyone down when things are looking on the up and up.
That’s all I am saying. If your comments were a bit more balanced, I think you would get less flack for being a “Debbie Downer”.
And you may be one who doesn’t care what others think… Everyone on this board knows I am one of those people.
However, I don’t think anyone questions my fanhood…even when I am not being positive about certain situations.
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I take you at your word
that you try and be objective, but you have failed miserably at it. You feel I have failed miserably too. These things are okay. You only take offense to the comments that criticize the team (usually a response to what I felt was a flawed take) but you DO ignore the platonic and positive ones.
Naw... I haven't.
Ask anyone around here how many things I have been in arguments about on both sides of the equation.
Hell, ask Fooch… he probably knows better than anyone here.
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Since when is 6-10 proving you're for real?
That was the Lions 2010 record if I’m not mistaken.
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Should of been 7-9 for obvious reasons
I think in like 8 of the 10 losses we were within 4 points or fewer or something like that. Not to mention We had one of the toughest shcedules last year. And we don’t play in the NFC West… enough said.
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by Amendola dolla billz y'all on Oct 11, 2011 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions
i think we are all sick of explaining that one...it like groundhogs day sometimes.
The Disassembly Line....nuff said.
But you got GB without Rodgers
We’re quite familiar here with close losses: check out the 2008-2010 Niners. We’ve lived it all, from F***e heroics, to blocking our opponents winning FG through the uprights, to our DB fumbling a game winning INT.
That said, yes your game in Chicago was a win.
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Rodgers was shutout throughout the half...
we had DREW “3rd Stringer” STANTON starting that game.
The Disassembly Line....nuff said.
You gotta admit that Rodgers might have come back with a TD or two in the 2nd half. That game finished 7-3 right? (note that I was pleased that you guys finally beat GB).
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And
If Stafford came back for the game, or even Hill for that matter it would be different too… goes both ways man.
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by Amendola dolla billz y'all on Oct 12, 2011 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions
You aren’t saying that Stafford or, even as a joke, Hill, are equal to Rodgers?
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No
Hell no. I’m down to earth. Rodgers is the best in the league right now. Period.
But, you were saying if he had come back in the game. What I meant was if we’re just gonna let injured players come back in the game why not Stafford? Perhap’s we’d also put up more points with him in rather our 3rd string QB.
Football is injuries and there are no “If’s” is what I meant by that.
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by Amendola dolla billz y'all on Oct 12, 2011 12:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Rodgers started the game against us, he just didn't make it to half time
He was concussed on a hit by a backup LBer for us as he was scrambling and decided to go head first.
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By that logic the Niners should've had 11 wins last year under quite possibly the worst coach ever to coach the game.
Their record was what it was.
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Drew...
Since when is ignoring the NFLs longest winning streak a good idea? There are valid points you can bring up either way, but discounting the other team in order to feel better about your own team is usually a bad way to go. Let’s just say that 49ers fans would probably be well advised to hope for the best, but expect the worst.
The facts are..
The 49ers have to come to the eastern time zone and play what is essentially a 10:00 AM game for your team. While that is not a huge factor it can cause your team to be a bit sluggish and just a bit off mentally too. Some people are just not good morning people.
The 49ers are not used to Ford Field. It is turning into one of the loudest stadiums in the NFL this season. Both the Chiefs and Bears had significant problems with crowd noise in Ford Field.
The Lions have the type of offense that can potentially put 30 points on any team in the league. We have played some of the best pass rushers in the league as well as some good defenses. The Vikings, Cowboys, and even the Bears are all teams that have had very respected defenses over the last couple seasons. None of them could completely shut the Lions down, and 24 points in the low water mark in scoring so far this season. The Lions are #4 in the NFL by scoring an average of 31.8 points scored per game.
The defense is very fast and takes a philosophy of bend but don’t break. That is why the Lions look mediocre in defensive yardage stats, but are #4 in the NFL in giving up an average of only 17.8 points per game surrendered.
The bottom line is that when your team scores an average of 14 more points per game than you give up you are going to win a lot of games. Maybe the 49ers can beat thos stats, and maybe not. But one thing is for sure…
We have heard the fan base from every team this year say the same stuff you are saying, and NONE of them were smiling after the game. All it does is set you up to take more abuse form the other team after the game if you lose. Isn’t it smarter to give some respect to your opponent and have some pride left if you lose, or would you rather have to admit you lost to an unproven and disrespected team. just sayin…
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I've got to challenge some your statements
1) Win streaks: in the NFL that means a team is due for a loss. It’s just the way things work out in sport where emotion and bounce of the ball play such a large part. The Lions’ win streak is deserving of note and respect but is only slightly more relevant than my saying that the Niners haven’t lost to Detroit since 1995, especially since that win streak does not include a victory over SF.
2) 10:00 excuse is that and than only. Does it play some part? Sure. But being and/or playing better is still what matters. Recall that it is the SF franchise that has the longest road winning streaks in NFL history. This during a time that New Orleans and Atlanta where considered West. Time zone didn’t matter when the team was better than their opponent.
3) Ford Field: While it is true that other than their victory there in 2006, the Niners have not played in that stadium, it is worth noting that they play annually in the loudest stadium in the NFL, in Seattle.
4) Points: Please note that the Lions offense scored 16 points vs Dallas. The Vikings have an okay defense, the Bears a poor defense. That they were respected means nothing this season, much as the Lion’s recent history of being disrespected losers matters not this season.
5) The Niners are right there with the Lions in point differential and can lay claim to winning lots of games if that stat continues.
I have no idea which team will win Sunday. I expect both to make the playoffs. I hope that Detroit manages to steal the division from GB and thus host a playoff game. But I think some of your points were a bit flawed.
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While I agree with many of your points...
Most of my point still stands. I was merely stating a number of reasons why the Lions might be better than Drew has indicated in his posts. He has been fairly dismissive of the things the Lions have achieved.
Are the 49ers a good team? I think so. I also count the Niners as possibly the biggest challenge that the Lions have faced yet this season, other than playing the Cowboys on the road. I do not dismiss the 49ers victories even though there are plenty of ways I could fool myself into doing that…
Seattle isn’t that good…
Cincinnati is not that good…
You let the Cowboys beat you and the Lions beat them…
Tampa Bay had a big letdown after the division win against Atlanta…
yadda yadda yadda
All I am saying is that there are always a ton of things a fan can say to dismiss the ability of the other team. I do not do that with the 49ers. I expect them to come to Detroit and play well. I expect them to give the Lions a better game than anybody else we have played at home for sure.
You can find excuses either way to justify any position you might choose to take on which team is better. You can choose to focus on the reasons that I chose to put out there if you wish, but you are missing the point by doing so.
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I think we understand each other
And I worded my last sentence poorly; it’s not that your points were flawed, more that they are easily neutralized by equivalent points. Which is to say that this is what happens when two good teams play each other. Each fan base sees many reasons their team is better while perhaps not fully knowing how good the other team is unless they’ve been winning for years. I think both fan bases have spent a few years debating whose flawed team was more likely to win a game between 3-6 squads. This certainly feels much better.
For scouting purposes, I would say that Seattle actually has a very good run defense and good overall defense, and Cincy is a good team that just happens to be very young and have a rookie QB. Also, TB didn’t bet Indy before playing SF so no letdown. If anything, the NIners were said to be the team heading for a letdown after playing consecutive road games back east.
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SO!
You never had to play a defense that had arguably the best defensive player on it and that is PATRICK WILLIS!!!!!!!
I believe in excellence. I believe in Alex Smith.
There's a lot of arguably the best defensive players in the league.
Us Lions happen to be no strangers to it.
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You'r right.
There are a lot of those type of players but what I meant was there is no linebacker better than Patrick WilldaBeast.
I believe in excellence. I believe in Alex Smith.
Sure...
but we have played Demarcus Ware, Sean Lee, and Anthony Spencer with the Cowboys and they are pretty good too. We have played Brian Urlacher, and Lance Briggs with the Bears and they are no slouches. We have played Tamba Hali with the Chiefs and he is pretty good. We have played Chad Greenway with the Vikings and he is very good.
What I am saying is that many teams have at least one good linebacker. What the Niners bring is more than that. They have an excellent front seven, but so do the Lions. I consider the Niners and the Lions to both have quality defenses that bend but don’t break. I give the Niners a small edge on defense.
I consider the lions to have a slightly better offense than the Niners, though San Francisco is more balanced. The edge that I give to the lions is a quick strike capability that I do not feel the Niners can match. I know some folks have said the Lions cannot move down the field methodically, but that is not really true. The Lions just usually find a big play before they get down the field. That is how the offense is built. The big difference with the Lions offense is that they will have a slightly better ability to come from behind late in the game than the 49ers do.
I am not saying that is set in stone and God’s own truth. I am saying that is the way I see it.
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Well, to be honest...
Saying the rest are not as scary as Megatron is sort of like saying that a nuclear weapon is scarier than a 155 mm howitzer. Sure the nuclear bomb has more potential to do widespread damage, but if you let either of them hit you, you are still just as dead.
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Same could be said about any offense in the NFL.
Those players are not special, nor do they posses a special quality. Johnson is the only one that does.
We’ve got some players on our offense that you probably don’t even know about that have the potential to flip your perfect season upside down.
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by Drew Kerr on Oct 12, 2011 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The same could not be said about any offense in the NFL.
Tell me the team that fields five receiving weapons on more downs than the Lions? (There isn’t one. No, not even the vaunted GB offense.)
I use the term “weapon” explicitly.
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You don't think GB can put five receiving weapons on the field at once?
I’d disagree with that. I’d add Dallas, New England, San Diego (when Gates is healthy). Heck, even SF (Davis, Walker, Crabtree, Edwards, Gore) will at times.
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I never said they can't.
I said they don’t.
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New England does it nearly ever down. Same with Green Bay.
I’d even argue that pre Manning injury, they did as well.
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And the Chargers like he pointed out. The 49ers, Saints, Bills, etc… there’s a lot more teams that do it, and frequently, a lot more than what you’re letting on, in the 2011 Season.
In fact, I think that the argument could be made that Patriots, Saints, and Packers all do it more than the Lions do.
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…and every other team in the NFL (like I said) does it on occasion.
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They don't.
You can make the argument, but you’d be wrong. As I said in my initial point, no one does it more than. I never said no team does it “occasionally”. Every team does it occasionally.
New England? Their RB with the most receptions has six.. They frequently go shot-gun with an empty backfield, but they do not do it as much as we do (we go shotgun more than any other team in the league, for the record.)
Green Bay? They use FB sets and hold back blockers frequently.
If you can make the argument, I’d love to hear it. The Lions go shotgun more than any team in the league. They hold extra blockers back less than any other team in the league. These are facts. NE occasionally fields five receiver sets but every time they have an RB on the field that’s only four, and they do that regularly. GB holds back extra blockers frequently and uses two and three back power running formations.
So go ahead, try and make the argument. And I do mean that, because it would be an interesting argument to hear.
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I think you’ll see the Niners do this often Sunday. You may not be aware of the threat their various receivers are (WR, RB, TE) because none of them is Johnson (as no one is), but in comparing the two teams I’d take Vernon Davis, Crabtree and Gore before another Detroit skill position person was chosen.
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Uh huh.
Does that have anything to do with what I’ve said, in that Detroit fields five legitimate receiving threats a larger percentage of the time than every other team in the league?
An RB or TE being held back to block or a two/three-RB power running set count, you know.
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Except Vernon, Delanie and Gore go out to catch passes
So what are you talking about? Perhaps you should focus less on trying to be right and focus more on the fact that the Lions are not the only team to field five legit receiving threats throughout a game. That this is true does not diminsh the Lions in any way.
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Sigh...
Are you really continually misconstruing my argument? I’ve repeated myself five times.
EVERY TEAM IN THE NFL FIELDS FIVE RECEIVING TARGETS AT SOME POINT IN THE GAME. NO TEAM IN THE NFL DOES IT MORE OFTEN THAN DETROIT.
I have never made the claim that the Lions are the only team to field five legit receiving threats throughout a game. I have made the claim that the Lions do it MORE THAN every other team. None of you have made any argument to the contrary of that beyond listing teams who “might” (but don’t) with no substance.
Seriously? Perhaps you should focus less on what you think I’m saying and focus more on what I’m actually saying.
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Calm down
I’m under the impression that the Niners’ fan base (myself included) are rather annoyed at the manner in which some are taking comments out of context and using them as the end all be all, and literally calling us idiots. As a result, some have been taking out their frustrations on this argument (and a couple others).
I promise you I'm very calm.
I just don’t like reiterating myself when I’m being misconstrued, so I chose to use caps and bold to emphasize my initial point.
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Fair enough
I do wish I could find a stat for that though. It would be interesting to see how many times each team rolls out with 5 receivers
And again.
I never said Vernon, Delanie, and Gore don’t go out to catch passes. But when Gore, Vernon, or Delanie are being held back to block, they are no longer receiving weapons, they’re blockers.
It’s not a binary switch. It’s percentage of time, number of snaps. The Lions do it more often than San Francisco or any other team does. These are facts.
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Have you scouted the Niners to know how often they block and how often they go out on routes?
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I have looked at the statistics for how often teams hold back extra blockers, yes.
And no team does it more than Detroit..
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Link?
Such evidence early in the thread could’ve saved everyone some time.
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Sure.
The quickest Google search yields pre-season rankings of blockers per passing play.
http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/06/08/extra-blockers/
Couple that with the fact that Detroit passed for the third most in the league.
You can argue that things have changed for your team, but they certainly haven’t changed for GB/NE (same scheme, mostly same players). Regarding Indy, our closest competition, they haven’t changed schematically but they assist Painter/Collins’s blockers more than they did Peyton. Our scheme and players haven’t changed, and continue to hold back blockers at the same rate they did last year. If you can make the argument that enough has changed and one team has usurped that, it’d be an interesting argument to hear.
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Pre-season rankings?
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Correct, pre-season rankings.
Now go ahead and read the rest of my comment. If you have an answer to it, let me know.
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It's your assertion
If you don’t have current ranking then you don’t know. That there is no answer is on you since it’s your assertion.
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So you don't have an answer.
Gotcha.
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My answer is that you don't
Which prooves the point.
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I know that my team holds back blockers the same as it did last year.
If you contend that something has changed that would cause a team to hold back less than us, let me know.
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Without current stats you;re going on anecotal evidence. That’s fine for basic back and forth but it’s not 100% confirmed as accurate.
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Except...
Multiple people argued with my, misconstrued my argument, and have yet to provide any proof, past or present to support claims to the contrary. So I’d have to say it’s more than good enough considering what arguments I’ve been given.
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with me* rather.
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It's your claim
I’m asking for current evidence. Pre-season is not current or relevant.
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I disagree with that.
I’ve provided proof that the same scheme, players, and coaches held the least amount of blockers on a per-play basis in the last year and anecdotal evidence that the trend has maintained itself (proof enough to me, obviously not to you). I can see no reason why a team would now be performing A) better than last year and B) enough that they would be doing it more often than Detroit. In fact, I can see several reasons why the closest competition to Detroit would be holding blockers more often, not less.
You’ve all harped on me for defending my position, but I’ve done all I can considering I wasn’t offered a single ounce of argument to the contrary other than “no”.
When PFF comes out with those numbers for this season, let’s see who winds up being correct. If you’re right and there’s one team that does it more often than Detroit, I will come here and admit that you were correct in your suspicion. Until then, we’ll agree to disagree.
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You'd be correct
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Then show how.
Make the argument.
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Indy
Wayne, Garcon, Clark, Collie, Gonzalez. Swap out one for Addai when they aren’t all spread out. There’s your legit five for them.
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And...
Your contention is that they are in this formation more than the Lions are in their 2TE 1RB 2WR base formation, and that in doing so hold back an extra blocker (whether it be a TE or an RB) less than Detroit does?
Because, again, you’d be wrong. They don’t.
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No, my contention is that other teams also consistently field five receiving threats. Do they do it more often than the Lions? I have not scouted all teams (have you?) so I can’t say. I do know that the Lions do not do well methodically moving the ball so they may choose to go more wide open whereas other teams have better balance.
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by SpurredOn on Oct 12, 2011 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Eagles are a good example
DeSean Jackson, Jeremy Maclin, Brent Celek, Jason Avant and LeSean McCoy. That’s a team with some firepower. Add a dynamic QB like Vick and it gets even harder to defend. But even though the Niners gave up some big yardage through the air, they won the game.
by mr. instigator on Oct 13, 2011 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
This year.
Last year, Vick was hitting him a lot more. Could be one of their big problems on offense… not the main one because that is obviously the Oline.
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That's not the point.
The Eagles are more talented on offense than the Lions. Period. But they’ve struggled this year as their record reflects. That doesn’t mean that they aren’t explosive. Hell, the Niners gave up 416 yards passing in that game but still won. That’s my point. Megatron is a beast and the Lions have a few other weapons, but that doesn’t seal the deal -not by any means.
by mr. instigator on Oct 13, 2011 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I would have to say that we have better variety of weapons...
Really the eagles are better period??? I would have to say we have a better offense because we have different weapons not just a bunch of tiny guys that can run. Im 90% sure they dont have one WR at 6’ 4’’. Brent Celek might be 6’4’’ but hes a TE and for some reason Vick isnt going to him as much this year.
Anyways, they are all tiny quick guys, so i would say that our O is a little more dynamic. We’ve got the big WR, we’ve got great route runner that can beat you deep or across middle, especially beat you in YAC, we’ve got the little fast guy from the slot, we’ve got 3-4 big TE’s that can catch one of which is that can play the slot and be fast enough to expose most LBs in the league. Not to mention our QB is a pocket passer
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Well yeah.
The only weapon the Eagles can’t match from the Lions is Megatron. He’s the best in the league. But the Eagles have so many better weapons elsewhere. Vick alone is a huge threat and can cause fits for a defense.
by mr. instigator on Oct 14, 2011 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions
else where? id take stafford over vick in a heart beat...
Pettigrew over Celek, considering pettigrew has similar stats as V.D., I would take Pettigrew as a bigger weapon than Celek.
Im not even sure why im arguing this with you, but clearly they dont have bigger weapons else where. Sure you ll take the weapons of a 1-4 team over a 5-0 i understand.
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Yeah
Because a team’s record truly reflects how dangerous their offense is. It’s weird that all of a sudden Lion’s fans think they are the ’98 Vikings or ’99 Rams. Eagles have more playmakers on offense. PERIOD.
by mr. instigator on Oct 14, 2011 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
These Lions fans
Are a great example of why one should act like they’ve been there.. except they really haven’t. Ever, at least in the SB era. They really are like little kids who have all the bluster yet none of the perspective. And all this from one good start to a season.
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ya cause reading NN didnt make me sick to my stomach about all of your secret weapons.... hahaha
saying period doesnt mean anything to me… thats the dumbest arrogant shit ive ever read. PERIOD !?!?!?!
Its weird that you guys are going to use Lions history as too how much better you are than us. But we use Alex Smiths history as being dog shit, its completely different. Alex Smith will be exposed tomorrow. AND THATS THE BOTTOM LINE!?!?!?
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It's all good
I’m still happy for the Lions for FINALLY crawling out of the football cellar; I really wish you guys luck this year. But maybe it’s a good idea to temper your expectations. Every team has multiple “weapons”. The Lions are no different. There’s nothing exceptional about your offense, aside from having Megatron. The sooner you realize that, the better.
by mr. instigator on Oct 15, 2011 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Stats
Since you are unable to give any current stats about which team send out more receivers (other than useless pre-season stats), it appears the closest we can get to something current and relevant was mentioned by Mike Sando yesterday:
Only three teams — Buffalo, Seattle and Philadelphia — have run more plays than the Lions with three-plus wide receivers on the field, according to ESPN Stats & Information.
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/48508/the-49ers-and-defending-calvin-johnson
This likely means that there is one team, if not perhaps three, that send more receivers out in pass patterns. One of whom is the Eagles team that was mentioned earlier in this debate.
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When Jim Harbaugh says "more is more" I think he is trying to say Moore is more.
That is pretty close to something current and relevant.
Other than the fact that I never mentioned 3 wide receiver sets or any specific personnel packages. I said five on routes.
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If they’re in a 3-wide set, there’s a darn good chance that five are in the route. They may not even have a RB on the field. Either you’re being obtuse or you’re struggling to accept that you are likely not right.. which is something you stated you had no problem with. So, either produce something current and relevant that proves your point or accept the facts that we do know.
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Let me help you out.
If they’re in a 3 wide set, there is a good chance that five are in routes. But what about when they aren’t in a 3 wide set? What about when it’s 2 WR 2 TE 1 RB, or a 3TE set? Those statistics don’t reflect that, is my point.
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Sounds like your coach is going to try and run more
from what I saw in the videos on the Lions website. He thinks we’ll be anticipating the pass heavy, so they’ll have to try and run and pass balanced.
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It's the closet we have to answering what you posed
Hope I helped you understand that.
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The 49ers (for example)
Gore
Hunter
Miller
Crabtree
Braylon (even though he’s out, he’ll be back)
Davis
Walker
Morgan (even though he’s out for the year but previous to this)
Williams
All explicit weapons that can put up six on you in the blink of an eye.
But my point is that on any given Sunday… the players that play this wonderful game are in the NFL for a reason.
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That's 10 players I listed.
Of course you all underrate the Niners and really don’t know as much as we do about them.
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Last I checked.
You can’t have 10 receivers on field at once. My initial challenge to you was to name the team that fields five (the maximum, with five OL and one QB, leaving five other players on the field) receiving weapons more than the Lions.
And as I said in the initial comment, there isn’t one. Not GB, not New England, New Orleans. And no, not San Francisco.
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Then go ahead and show me how I'm wrong?
I’ve already pointed out holes in NE/GB and given my full argument on behalf of the Lions. I’d like to see you do some legwork on that.
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You just pointed out a fact—
that SF CLEARLY does not go 5 wide, or even 4 wide, very often and he disagreed, as if you were stating an opinion. Nuff’ said.
Do we even dress 5 WRs?
We run a lot of 2/3 TE sets
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When Jim Harbaugh says "more is more" I think he is trying to say Moore is more.
No, we don't.
That’s why is comment is way out of bounds. He’s just trying to catch me in being wrong (which I’m not) and failed miserably.
If you look at the guys original list, he had 2 TE’s and a RB on his list as well.
Nowhere did he ever say anything about 5 wide. Simply said, good luck with covering players V, W, X, Y, and Z…
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I never said anything about five wide either.
Dunno if that was directed at me or not.
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I seem to have
missed the appropriate thread. This is the one on having the most/best weapons on the field at once?…
Well, hold the phone on that one.
At no point have I claimed anything about “best” or quality of receivers.
I threw around the word “weapon” in a bit of a joking manner, but the intent of that words was a player who is regularly targeted with passes.
This line has only been about the percentage of snaps five players are on routes for teams. Nothing to say about how good/bad those players are.
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Again.
I never said you can’t. I said no team does We hold extra blockers back fewer than every other team in the league, we don’t run 2RB sets, all three of our tight ends are receiving weapons, three of our RBs are receivers, etc.
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maybe if one of those players
were the QB, then perhaps those players listed could be TD threats at all times … but that’s not the case.
That has got to be the lamest thing I've seen written on this board in a very long time.
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I've said lamer things!
Like the 307 times I’ve pointed out your circular logic, flagrant non-sequiturs, and abject homerism
No, no...
I believe this one takes the trophy.
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Not worried about Best
and they all can’t be on the field at the same time.
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When Jim Harbaugh says "more is more" I think he is trying to say Moore is more.
Oh yes they can...
If you’re not worried about him, then watch MNF again…
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I saw that huge TD play
that will never happen on the Niners
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When Jim Harbaugh says "more is more" I think he is trying to say Moore is more.
Seeing how that was one of the longest plays in Lions history
Obviously it won’t be a week to week thing, but you see the potential
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do me a favor
Say that you can run on us. We have a pretty good streak of opponents saying they will run on us and we (as usual) shut them down. How many rushing yards will Best have?
If I had to guess
I would say about 40 yards, but the Lions don’t give much of a crap about running. Best is explosive, even more so in the passing game and that’s what I was pointing out
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Yeah
I think as a pass catcher he is at his Best.
by mr. instigator on Oct 11, 2011 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions
and Best will be matched up with Willis...
Poor guy doesn’t stand a chance…
by Takeo33 on Oct 13, 2011 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
On the contrary
If he is matched up in coverage….I feel sorry for Patrick Willis
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Willis has stopped Adrian Peterson and Chris Johnson...
What makes you so confident Best can get by him?
Wait a minute
You think a team that hasn’t given up a 100 yard rusher in 27 straight games is going to be that poor in gap management? With likely the best MLB tandem in the league…
Try reading
If he is matched up in coverage….I feel sorry for Patrick Willis
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But that was a run play...?
Willis can lay people out in coverage…
It’s a bit old but: http://youtu.be/-6c9TIyMaUk
Now try reading below:
The point is Best has elite speed.Personally don’t think its a smart move putting an LB…any LB.. on him.
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Jahvid Best 88 yard TD run!
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If he is matched up in coverage….I feel sorry for Patrick Willis
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I’m just not certain the correlation… Best has elite speed, so does Willis…
You say it’s a tough matchup, I’d say Willis has the advantage…
But Willis v Best in coverage does not really relate to an excellent run…
He’ll need to find room to run first…
SIgh
Video = Best running away from Bears defense which by the way plays Tampa 2 which plays its safeties pretty deep
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Ha!
Willis has 4.3 speed!
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by afrikabamboodle on Oct 13, 2011 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions
You said
If he is matched up in coverage….I feel sorry for Patrick Willis
Someone replied and asked why do you think that(beat him in coverage)? And your response was a video of a run.
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Okay
Would this video be more to your liking?
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that looked more like a breakdown in coverage
more than a display of Best’s deceptive speed
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Well he was complaining that it was a video of a run.
That was a video of a reception.
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show me a clip of Alex Smith being a leader instead of a manager
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sure... your just being a pain for no reason
best is slow and gets tore up man to man all the time.
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Best is a good back
No one said he isn’t. But so are a lot of running backs that we’ve shut down for the past 27 games. To just assume that he’s going to kill us is pure arrogance and over confidence.
by Andrew9erfan on Oct 15, 2011 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions
His last game was the first 100-yard game of his career.
He usually averages in between 40-50 yards.
His Y/A as a rookie was 3.2 per attempt. shmwawesome! I know… He’s gonna shred us up like a blender bro.
Guy has had one game where he was relevant and he’s on his way to the HoF now.
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Drew, every player on their team is HOFer
and they can stop everyone and no one can stop them ever and we should cancel the rest of the season and name them SB champions
by Andrew9erfan on Oct 15, 2011 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions
are you talking bout the 49ers???
you guys sit here and squabble that Best doesnt out run any LBs.
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they didn't say that he hasn't out run any LBs
they said that they didn’t expect it to happen to Willis and for good reason
by Andrew9erfan on Oct 15, 2011 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Willis is a great LB never said he wasnt
but people here talk like he has never been beaten or made a mistake its just the most asinine crap ive ever read
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yep your exactly right... were irrelevant
not to mention he was leading the league in TDs his rookie year before he got turf toe but your the schwab and no one can stump you. if he had any sort of an offensive line that could open holes for him he would have a better statline kind of our weak link…. you know like your secondary
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excuse for what
ive given your players plenty of credit that i think are good players. You couldnt give credit for anything other than sitting here reading your own comments thinking your making a difference
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Are you kidding me?
I’ve given your team plenty of props. But when I see all the overconfidence and garbage spewing out from a vast majority of you, it makes it all that much more fun to mess with you.
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coming from you im not sure you can judge garbage or over confidence
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There’s a fine line between being confident and way too over confident. It’s evident by a few here that you have no clue as to where that line is at.
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I would have to agree...
Elite speed wont mean anything if you’re on the ground before you get started…
that would be great for us
cause that’s a penalty if its past five yards
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That's comedy...
I like it…
Willis doesn’t give up YAC is all… You’ll see… Tough day for Best…
Briggs looks like he fell asleep on that play...
If Best gets gets a hole like that against the niners I’ll be shocked… Willis is a lot like Ray Lewis, he just seems to feel where the play is…
Gorgeous run, but I just can’t see our nickel defense being pushed around like that…
Best is more dangerous catching the ball, and that’s where Willis will be shadowing him all day…
The point is Best has elite speed
Personally don’t think its a smart move putting an LB…any LB.. on him.
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In most cases, you're probably right...
But Patrick Willis isn’t most…
You’d have to catch him out of position to use that speed… Willis is just as fast…
Anyway, I’d take that bet…
by Takeo33 on Oct 13, 2011 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't doubt that
All I’m saying is it makes more sense to put a safety with better speed. You guys still have Taylor Mays?
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No he was traded to Cincy for a 7th-round pick.
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He plays too stiff in the hips
He has straight line speed but can’t change direction. He could be a great special teamer
liability...
Willis is faster than most safeties in the league…
Be careful… You’re almost under estimating the best linebacker in the league… ELITE speed…
Stopped Chris Johnson laterally last year very well…
Cuz he sucks.
Because the coaches saw no potential with him. Because Mike Singletary had the final say over our GM. Because he is horrible in coverage, he is horrible in changing direction, his hips are stiff.
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You really should watch it
This is a Niner blog and you’re (seemingly) attacking the best player on the team. Not only that, he’s arguably the best in the league at his position. He hasn’t gotten that kind of recognition for nothing. I doubt (could be wrong) that Best gets past him.
by Ikaros on Oct 13, 2011 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
You have to be kidding me
Saying that “I feel sorry for Willis if he is covering Best” is an attack “on the best player on the team”? Maybe you guys in the NFC West are a little soft spoken cause that’s not an insult compared to some of the things that we say…
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I personally don't find it to be an attack...
I see it as a lack of knowledge that will be corrected this weekend…
It is impressive that you’re doubting Willis though…
Comparitively speaking, it’d be like we came on and said that Suh won’t be a problem, we’ll just use Gore to chip block on him,(he’s a great blocker, but not that great)… No problem…
A huge underestimation…
by Takeo33 on Oct 13, 2011 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agree.
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That's putting words in my mouth
and I already had my dinner…
What I said was that I think Best can beat him in coverage. Lesean McCoy got 6 receptions on the Niners, and Best is a more refined receiver. We actually use him as our slot receiver at times. That’s NOT saying Patric Willis is a bad linebacker or even an average one. Willis is a great LB and he is a beast in run D
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no offense intended...
But McCoy only got 34 yards on those 6 catches… He personally only got just over 50 yards of offense…
No big plays from RBs… That’s what our defense does…
Was making a comparison, not trying to put words in your mouth…
Suh does get blocked just like willis lets a get me him once in awhile
he doesnt have 100% success rate on coverage… i would love to see him get beat just so i could hear the excuses
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no excuses...
Just stunned silence… If it is of course Willis…
He may be busy covering Pettigrew, I hear that guy is pretty good as well…
hes alright and still growing
I was just laughing that some people thought that there was never a completion near willis
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That was an attack?
I don’t agree with the guy but it didn’t sound like an attack.
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I don't remember anyone saying it was an attack
Don’t know where that came from.
You really should watch it
This is a Niner blog and you’re (seemingly) attacking the best player on the team.
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that guy was misguided though...
Never felt attacked…
one guy said "it's like you're attacking"...
but he was mistaken…
I don't think anyone would argue
that Chris Johnson has “elite” speed…
Willis did pretty good at holding him to 3 catches for 25 yards.
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When Jim Harbaugh says "more is more" I think he is trying to say Moore is more.
they do give a crap about running
they have just been getting great/timely turnovers and been exploiting magatron so well/so much that not running well consistently hasn’t hurt them in the standings. Best is a good back, but he’s best in space, and RBs don’t have the luxury of having it all the time. It wasn’t Best’s 90 yard sprint that was most impressive — we know he’s one of the fastest players in the NFL (100 meters, not 40 yard dash) — it was his elusive run after that when he made like 4 Bear defenders miss in open space.
I expect Best’s production to improve, as the Lions play closer games rather than blowing people out or coming from behind (like the Cowboys game).
LOL, the Lions are NOT a running team.
Believe me, the Lions will pass first to set up the run. If they have early success with the pass then the Niners will be forced to adjust to stop it, or simply lose the game because of not adjusting. If that means that you weaken your run defense to do that, the Lions are perfectly capable of making big running plays as well. If the passing game is successful enough to force enough adjustment, the running game will kill you. Ask the Bears.
How many running yards will Best have? He will have about 50 yards rushing probably. Then he will have another 60 yards receiving. If he manages to break one though, he is very fast and will typically get 40 or more yards on that play. So just one mistake could mean Best goes over 100 yards rushing. Even good defense will make mistakes sometimes. We will just have to see.
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Javid maybe fast
but there’s a 400% chance that Bam Bam has had rockets surgically implanted in his feet
How is Eric Wright doing?
I really wanted us to sign him before the season. Looks like he’s done pretty good from the games I’ve seen of you guys.
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He's been surprisingly good
Given up a play or two here and there, but more than adequette with the front four generating pressure
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Not surprising to me.
He did a really good his first three seasons with the Browns, but not last year(injuries). I expected him to have a bounce back year with you guys, and sounds and looks like I was [w]right. It’s also good to know that he doesn’t have to deal with those “fans” in Cleveland anymore.
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You got that [W]right!
The dummies in Cleveland that sent him death threats are just the most classless bunch I have ever heard of in sports. I can understand being mad at a player that is having a tough year, but that is just waaaaayyyy over the top.
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Death Threats...
Clevland is not the only one that has done this!! Bills fans did it to Leodis McKelvin when he fumbled vs the Pats last year I believe.
Might be a reason we have former Bill S Donte Whitner now in SF.
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Oct 13, 2011 6:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Any possibilty to getting my account activated on POD?
I signed up this morning and was wanting to chat and answer questions there, but I’m ineligible til tomorrow morning. Not a huge deal, just thought I’d ask.
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I don't have those powers
You can email Sean, he’ll get you through
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Ignore the one below
I thought you said you would. LoL
I sent him one. Twelve hours of midterm cramming has completely melted my mind.
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I'm done with mine for the time being...
Dunno about Sean
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I'll just hop on there tomorrow
Just chat it up on NN tonight for me I guess before furthering my brain damage.
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That's why I joined all our oppenents sites in the offseason that I wasn't already apart of.
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I'm not scared of Megatron
I know what he can do to us and I can anticipate him getting a TD or two. I think Pettigrew is the X-factor that can win you the game. What are his strengths and weaknesses and how do you stop him?
Biggest Weakness
He’s not the best of receivers, which is odd considering the dude caught 70+ balls last year. No defense has really done anything special for him. I think Patrick Willis will do more than a good job on him. I would be more worried about guys like Best coming out of the backfield and Burleson
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For our guys on this...
Would we put Willis on Pettigrew, or let Bowman watch him on one TE sets and let Willis keep an eye on the faster Best?
Not really sure how our man matches up in those situations. Just wondering.
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I would let Willis take away a 6-5, 265 lb option
and worry about the smaller Best later
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Bowman could probably fare better than you give him credit for...
but when it came down to it, I’d probably leave Willis mostly to it as well
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Or we can put Withner on him
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When Jim Harbaugh says "more is more" I think he is trying to say Moore is more.
Good point
Maybe The Hawk on a few. Pettigrew isn’t as explosive as our guys.
I’m much more interested, as asked above, who are you guys going to put on VD and Delanie Walker?
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You want Pettigrew to drag another safety for an extra five yards like he has?
Go right ahead :)
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Not sure if thats the smartest idea against a man that big
and that goes for anyone who’s 6-5, 265…not just Pettibeast
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he didn't have any problem taking out Blount for Tampa Bay
I think he’ll be ok
by Andrew9erfan on Oct 11, 2011 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Blount is around 255… 10 more LBS…. no sweat.
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When you have a guy constantly baging into things bigger and heavier than him it takes a toll.
I guess it all depends on how much longer you want Witner to play I guess. Fans talk that kind of stuff all the time. When you are the guy on the field getting the brain damage it is a lot different.
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Pettigrew is bigger of course, but still......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8A6rK_HCQ_Q&feature=related
"The Harbaughcolypse is upon us. No one in the NFL is safe"
OK, so now you have...
Rogers and Goldson doubling on Megatron.
Brown on Nate Burleson
Whitner on Pettigrew
You still have to find a guy to cover any two of Tony Scheffler, Titus Young, and Jahvid Best. Because you will see two of them on almost every play.
Scheffler is a tight end with enough speed and catching ability to beat a cornerback and safety in a double team. I have seen him do it twice this season so far, once for a touchdown against the Chiefs. So you are going to cover him with a linebacker without safety help? OK, cool, the Lions fans will love that.
Now how about Titus Young? He is a receiver with legit 4.3ish speed. You are going to cover him with a linebacker? LOL, I don’t think so.
Now how about Best out of the backfield. He is every bit as much a receiving threat as a running threat, if not more. You are going to cover a 4.3 second running back with linebackers? OK, I like that too. They better tackle really well because if Best breaks one he is off to the races.
I know you guys really don’t know the Lions well, and that is cool. They are not your team. You are definitely underestimating the match up problems they present though.
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My problem with your statement is this...
We have Patrick Willis as a LB, who is capable of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3JTXupThgQ
and right next to him is Navarro Bowman, who reportedly beat Willis in a sprint.
The Niners have arguably the best MLB tandem in the league. In other words, bring it.
LOL, you are bragging that Willis took 50 yards to catch Morey?
The guy is a 4.5 wide receiver. OK, that is fast, but it is not Jahvid Best or Titus Young fast. I am not saying that Willis isn’t a great linebacker, he is. I am saying that you overestimate how fast he is. Willis was clocked at 4.37 seconds. yeas that is almost as fast as Jahvid Best or Titus Young, but if either Jahvid or Titus get a ten yard jump on Willis like Morey did, he is not going to catch them before the end zone comes up.
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You put a lot into 40 times
and I do agree that Best and Young are faster than anyone on our D but I also have full confidence in our All-Pro LB to stop the play before any real damage gets gone. Not to mention that Bowman managed to do well against Michael Vick, who is just as fast as your guys.
Chris Johnson
Willis chased him down from behind twice last season. He’s just as fast if not faster then Best. Hopefully Best underestimates Willis speed like you do.
If at first you dont succeed, you are obviously not Patrick Willis
I hope the 49ers think like you guys do.
It will be very fun for us Lions fans to watch. Yes, the Niners have a very good defense, but you let TONY FREAKIN’ ROMO beat you! ROFLMAO!
How come your superb defense wasn’t enough to make him self-destruct when you played on your home field, but the Lions defense did in Cowboys Stadium? You even had the advantage of having your home crowd there to make noise and disrupt audibles for the ’Boys.
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The Niners faced Romo in week 2
Our secondary has been the weak point of our defense. That and the fact that a new defense was installed with a lockout pretty much led to that meltdown by our secondary. But now, in week 6, they have had time to absorb the new defense and gel with eachother (3 different new starters). The cowboys will not be able to do that to us again. In all honesty, using that game as a focal point for your argument isn’t the best thing to do seeing as how you squeaked by them and we lost in overtime. Pretty much, both games could have gone either way.
Now, I do believe that Megatron will pretty much torch our secondary, but other than that, everyone’s covered. Our LB’s are pretty good in coverage and our DE’s are great at getting pressure. I’m just hoping that that is enough to contain your Offense.
I'm counting on Ahmad and Aldon
to plant the “Staff” in the turf 2 times each. That will help alot.
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Not having Goldson was one major problem
Being in week two (and truly week 7) of a new defensive scheme didn’t help. I think the results would be quite different if those teams played now. Also, the Niners faced Miles Austin who did not play vs Detroit. You can thank our guys since they injured him, injured Romo, and bruised Witten’s ribs. It showed in their next two games.
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Yes, Romo's 72.3% completion rate was obviously a result of his injury.
Why would we be thanking you? He torched us, lol.
If anything, you should be thanking us for breaking Tampa’s confidence in week 1. ;) Two can play at that game.
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27-20 win in Week 1
Coming out of the lockout is not exactly breaking someone’s confidence.
by AthleticsReign on Oct 12, 2011 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
It's as much of a ridiculous statement
As claiming we should be “thanking” you guys for roughing Dallas up, lol.
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Umm, there was some tongue in cheek there
And also some truth. If, for example, the Bears had injured Calvin Johnson, I’d think Niners fans should be grateful having to not face him this week. Niners may win anyway but it would sure be easier.
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Appreciate it
If he does, just let me know if it’s not too much trouble. Gotta point out I’ve always cheered for the Lions a little. I felt for the fans for Millen being awful. Nice to see your stock is going WAY up. Great drafts over the past few years, and I’m a big Megatron fan, except for Sunday.
Oh, and Barry is the greatest running back of all time. I always argue for him in that one.
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Reply fail
That was to Latif Masud on my above comment. Oopsy.
"The Harbaughcolypse is upon us. No one in the NFL is safe"
Not quite as long
But I know the feeling. It makes me beyond ecstatic that ESPN has to grit their teeth because the biggest game of the week is between two teams the “expertly” claimed wouldn’t be near as good as they are (more for us than you guys).
"The Harbaughcolypse is upon us. No one in the NFL is safe"
You mean the WCO?
Pretty well. If your run game is there (which I suspect it will be), then you’ll put more than 17. Question is whether or not the D can stop the Lions from scoring more than 20.
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They did a decent job against Witten
but Vernon Davis is a beast of another caliber. It will be interesting to see what they do against him
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You also have Delanie Walker to deal with
who would start for a lot of teams
by Andrew9erfan on Oct 11, 2011 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions
All of the LBs on the Lions roster can cover
some better than others. Detroit does not employ the usual Mike-Sam-Wil 4-3 defense. All linebackers are interchangeable. With that said, Levy and Carpenter are the best cover LBs along with Tulloch who is pretty descent.
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the great thing about our offense
is that our power running formation with two tight ends is also one of our better passing formations. So you have to pick your poison.
by Andrew9erfan on Oct 11, 2011 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Harbaugh apparently likes to throw from three TE sets too
Didn’t we do that against the Bucs a few times?
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I don't recall that (throws)
But I’d guess that we do this week.
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Yes we did throw from 3 TE sets on TB...
That was the play where VD was wide open in the middle of the field in the red zone & ran in for his 2nd TD!!
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Oct 13, 2011 7:01 AM PDT up reply actions
The Lions also use a lot of two TE sets.
We can use Tony Scheffler like a wide receiver in some cases because he has the skills to do that. So seeing a two TE set does not mean a run when you play the Lions either.
The problems with the running game have been more about the offensive line making a hole for Best to sneak through. We started seeing those holes against the Bears. I realize that the 49ers have a better front seven than the Bears right now. The real question that many Lions fans are asking is whether the success of Jahvid Best in the Bears game is a sign the run blocking is coming together on the offensive line or if it was just a case of the Bears making mistakes. We will have to wait ans see if the Lions can do the same against the Niners. I am not confident that we can, but if we do then we will be pretty sure that the offensive line is starting to run block better.
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I know you guys haven't given up many sacks, but does Stafford get hit much?
And how does his injury history worry you guys, if it does at all?
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He's been rock solid thus far
No sacks given up in three of the five games. Had an ugly game where they gave up 5 of the season’s 6 sacks in Minny. He hasn’t gotten hit very often and has done a far better job of getting rid of the ball as compared to the past two seasons.
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I told my friends before the season started, and they shrugged me off....
I said if Stafford stays healthy, the Lions win 10 minimum and make the playoffs. Love throwing it in their faces now almost as much as I enjoy throwing the Niners at them.
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The Lions have given up 23 QB hits...
Which is exactly what the 49ers have also given up. The Lions have surrendered fewer sacks. The Lions have given up 6 while the 49ers have given up 14. The Lions have had attempted 188 passes while the 49ers have tried to pass 129 times. So if you work out those numbers, the Lions allow Stafford to be hit on roughly 15.4% of their passing plays while the 49ers let Smith get hit on roughly 28.7% of their passes. So the Lions surrender hits on their QB at about half the rate that the 49ers do.
I consider this point to be one of the big problems that the 49ers face in the game with Detroit. Ford Field can be very loud. While I realize that it can also be very loud in Seattle, the Seahawks don’t have the same quality pass rush that the Lions have. The Lions are fully capable of getting consistent pressure on the passer while sending only the front four.
If the 49ers have averaged a QB hit in almost 30% of their pass plays, that does not include pressures. It can be very possible that Smith will be under pressure from the Lions more often as not. He has made pretty decent decision under pressure thus far, but I think that will be tested again in a big way.
If the Lions can limit the 49ers running game, and force Smith into long third down situation then he will have problems. The pressure of the defensive line and overall speed of the Detroit defense makes it very tough to convert those situations.
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While I realize that it can also be very loud in Seattle
Come one now, no stadium, outside of perhaps Arrowhead, comes close to their noise level. If an offense can be disciplined in Seattle they can be disciplined anywhere. I think there’s an overreaction to the Bears’ false starts Monday night. That was not so much the crowd as it was undisciplined play by Chicago. That was not normal for any stadium.
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with the Lions finally winning
it could be very loud in their. If our line even starts to make mistakes it could snowball very badly. If the 49ers O-line stays disciplined and remember their assignments, AleX will only get beaten up. Dallas wasn’t that long ago. I hear ya TuffLynx. Hopefully for us the quick passing game will get us the first downs and clock management we need.
indeed
it will be important for the O-Line to play well early to both run/protect AS or else the stadium may become excruciatingly loud, and it could then snowball.
Who covers the TEs?
We run a lot of 2 TE and 3 TE sets so who will cover them?
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When Jim Harbaugh says "more is more" I think he is trying to say Moore is more.
Linebackers for the most part
They might put Delmas on Davis though
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Walker is faster than Davis
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When Jim Harbaugh says "more is more" I think he is trying to say Moore is more.
please oh please let them single cover him!
by Andrew9erfan on Oct 11, 2011 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think I have ever seen the Lions double cover anyone consistently
So you might be luck
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heck, the one TD Delanie walker caught last week
he was triple covered
by Andrew9erfan on Oct 11, 2011 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions
1st TD of the game
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59UTGUCaWo0
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Niner hater.
I hope the 49ers win the Superbowl and then go to his house and crap in his Cherios.
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Perfect throw from Smith though, and WTF were those defenders doing? LoL the just watched the ball go into his hands
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Just like Delmas and Spievey will be doing this weekend ;)
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LoL not a chance of that. O_ur Safeties play like corners, especially Spievey he was a corner
They still hit like safeties though ;)
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Delmas is really good.
I was high on him when he came out as a rookie… I just think Davis is better, haha
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I guess he expected us to throw it more
considering that we scored 48 on a team.
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When Jim Harbaugh says "more is more" I think he is trying to say Moore is more.
I guess.
We had 213 yards rushing, so it’s cool if he wants to overlook that.
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We don't seem to rack up a lot of yards
A lot to do with ST
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When Jim Harbaugh says "more is more" I think he is trying to say Moore is more.
What you do with Megatron
VD will do to single coverage. You guys may get to know what that feels like from the other side. LoL
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Easily
I don’t think they are dumb enough to single cover him the entire game.
If they do, that could get ugly.
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I’d like to see a double seam route to the middle of the field where both Walker and Davis take off. One of the safeties is bound to get beat.
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And if it's a LB covering on either
That’s six.
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the only concern I'd have for that
is making sure that we have the time to throw
by Andrew9erfan on Oct 11, 2011 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions
This.
I want week 4 Oline. Not week 2 Oline.
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You mean week 5?
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Suh will get to Smith a few times... I am sure of that.
But if our defense plays like we did against Manning two years ago, Stafford is going to get the crap kicked out of him worse than what the Vikings did to him.
Stafford is not the same QB when he gets racked over and over again.
Patrick Willis and Navorro Bowman will be coming on some blitzes…
I am sure Whitner, Goldson, and Rogers will all get their chances too.
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Then there is Brooks and our up and coming version of Demarcus Ware that they don’t know about yet.
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yeah, but Suh kinda scares me
I just hope he doesn’t eat Alex
by Andrew9erfan on Oct 11, 2011 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions
He's going to.
But Alex is tough and can take a hit. Hopefully Suh get’s stupid like he does sometimes and racks up a couple of 15-yard yellow flags.
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I have a feeling the Niners are going to try and establish their will by
running right at Suh and knocking the crap outta him with two lineman coming full steam ahead.
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I'm more worried about Davis..
After watching the Bears RT get beat by the speed rush all night on MNF.
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by SanFranciscoKnights on Oct 11, 2011 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions
They'll push help out for him.
Besides, Cutler was not stepping up in the pocket like we’ve seen Alex get 1000x’s better at this year. Suh is on the inside but Smith has been good at getting passes off before a rush can get there if the line gives him a couple of seconds.
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Well we actually rotate 4 DT's
Suh, Cory Williams, Sammy Lee Hill, and Nick Fairley. They all consistently get 2-3 yard push into the backfield on most teams. There really is not anywhere to step up into if they are on their game, which we should be at home, with the crowd noise and all.
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Yes,
and though A Smith has made some plays this year, he is well-known to have some of the worst pocket presence/awareness around, especially when things break down. But he’s making strides in that department; he’s also realizing how awesome it is to have a running game at times and playing ahead.
I think it is fair to say that offensively both teams success will be determined at the LoS
But that is pretty much every team in every game
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Seeing how we have given up
The third fewest sacks in the NFL this year (after playing Jared Allen, Tamba Hali, DeMarcus Ware and Julius Peppers) and 6th fewest all of last season (after playing Clay Matthew twice, Julius Peppers twice, Jared Allen twice, Demarcus Ware, Cameron Wake, Trent Cole, etc), I’m not nearly as worried about the Niners pass rush.
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Here ya go:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPOb3DlB7WA
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Appreciate it, Drew.
I almost ruined my computer by spitting water. Totally caught me off guard.
Fantastic.
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Sorry… shoulda included a disclaimer.
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Brooks
Bowman
Willis
Smith
Oh, and then there is Ray McDonald and Justin ‘Cowboy’ Smith you gotta worry about too.
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Jus sayin
Brooks 2
Bowman
Willis
Smith 2 (Aldon)
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That would be like Madden
If they single cover, and we don’t get to Stafford, this could be a shootout of epic proportions.
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Delanie is weapon X
Crabtree is weapon Z
And Kyle Williams is our stealth fighter this weekend ;)
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The guy with 92 career receptions (Walker) and the guy with just 11 catches this year? I’m more scared of Frank Gore and Vernon Davis…
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Okay. I hope your team thinks that way too.
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we didn't have a coach who knew how to use two good tight ends at the same time before
but when he’s needed to, he’s stepped up in the past and is looking pretty good this year. He’s defiantly been a mismatch problem for people in terms of size/speed combination
by Andrew9erfan on Oct 11, 2011 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Not only that
He would easily be a standout TE if he Vernon wasn’t here.
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And we should expect a lot more of him now with Morgan out.
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Nah.
They won’t change. Kyle Williams is capable of doing what Morgan has, or can.
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I think Kyle can do great things.
But I’m just expecting more Walker now.
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I hope the Lions are too, haha
Wanna see him get more targets.
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But it will be a totally customized gameplan
as we have seen from the staff every game this year.
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Ah....
“customized” and “gameplan”
That just makes me happy for once.
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Players words, not mine.
Sounds like they get pretty specific and know how to attack a defenses weakness pretty good. Or are getting “better” at it.
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Sounds a lot like Tony Scheffler, I have confidence that our defense has seen a good two TE set before, like every day in practice
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They had some success, but for the most part Brady was too shaken to be consistent. I know I know it was preseason and all, but we all know how much of a competitor Tom Brady and Bill Belichick are, there is no way they went into a national TV game even in the preseason with a mindset of anything but to win. they even ran some exotic zone blitz schemes, not your typical vanilla preseason defense at all.
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Rob and Aaron
benefit from the system they play in. Davis and Walker are literally the fastest TE’s on the field on any given Sunday, might even be faster than some WR’s
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If we double covered jason Witten then I bet we do the same with Davis.
It’s not like we haven’t played some good tight ends this season.
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Lions fans evidently don't think highly of him.
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Didn't you know
They have 5 weapons… and they know how to use them!
by mr. instigator on Oct 13, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
We only have Frank Gore and Vernon Davis apparently
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Yeah
and Frank Gore isn’t as good as Matt Forte and Pettigrew is on par with Davis… lmao
by mr. instigator on Oct 14, 2011 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions
No one said Pettigrew is on par with Davis.
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they like to take words and mistconstrue them to fit there agenda...
i said i would take pettigrew over celek since he has VD like numbers this year. because for some reason they like to think the beat the superbowl champs cause they beat the eagles and all of their explosive weapons. VD is a athlete and a badass so since pettigrew is not the same athlete as VD but as similar numbers other than TDs i would take Petti over Celek but whatever gets there rocks off
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It's not taking words and misconstruing anything
I’ve heard from Lions fans repeatedly about ALL the weapons you guys have… Like seriously, get over it. It’s not like you have Pro Bowlers at all positions.. Petti is solid for sure. Hell he’ll probably score a TD tomorrow, but it’s not like he’s this dynamic player or something.
by mr. instigator on Oct 15, 2011 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions
dynamic as in a great pass catching and blocking TE
because thats what he is… great role player man. do i think VD is a greater athlete yes i do.i know people like to discount what we do because we have CJ but he opens so much with the focus put on him
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Vernon is not only an athlete but perhaps the most well-rounded
TE in the NFL. Dude can block with the best of ’em too.
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believe me i would take VD in a heartbeat...
I was simply trying to prove a point bout eagles and lions, im just over that hype machine of a team. Cause i was arguing bout who had better weapons. So VD being the highest TE in my eyes, I was trying to tell the guy i would take Pettigrew over Celek because he is putting up numbers similar to VD and Celek is not. Im not saying Pettigrew and VD are equals our anything like that, just pettigrew was a better weapon than celek.
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As much as I hate to agree (him being a former Poke and all), I’d say you’re right. If I was building a new team and could only pick one of the two, I’m goin’ with Pettigrew in a land slide.
But Walker is probably the most underrated TE in the NFL I believe… receiving wise, he is just as good as VD… and just as fast too. Both our TE’s are in the top 5 fastest guys on our team; which for your linebackers, could be a potential headache.
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I gave Delaney some love on my post
You really can’t expect opposing fans to know your secret weapons…they wouldn’t be very secret then
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I gave Delaney
This even sort of furthers the point.
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So he spelled a name wrong
Damn. We’re going to get burned by him now.
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You have a guy here who is repeatedly misspelling the word Lions…we don’t feel disrespected…grow a thicker skin.
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actually someone was
it was an accident
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When Jim Harbaugh says "more is more" I think he is trying to say Moore is more.
ok not an accident I just suck at spelling
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When Jim Harbaugh says "more is more" I think he is trying to say Moore is more.
It is a bit odd having someone from an opponent blog give such strong opinions about what their team will supposedly do to the Niners yet misspell names and think that Taylor Mays is still on the roster. It gives the appearance of not knowing what they’re talking about, something that was already relevant based on certain assumptions about the game Sunday. That that person then is unaware how foolish he/she makes themselves look by telling people to “grow thicker skin” or that “Maybe you guys in the NFC West are a little soft spoken” further undermines their credibility.
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this is going to sound kinda weird but our injuries on offense have left me feeling encouraged
every time someone went down, it was “next man up”. They not only didn’t slow down, but continued to build
That and this staff actually knows when to make changes
Next man up working + replacing Norris and Chilo = very encouraging.
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Has anyone else noticed that all our wins are against 4-3 teams?
Our sole loss was against a 3-4 defense.
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Never noticed that
Good thing we run the good one.
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Not sure that's important
If we played Dallas now we’d win for sure. The OL has more cohesion and we’d have Goldson and Crabtree in the lineup.
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Calvin johnson career vs niners first game 4 catches 40 yards and second game 7 catches 96 yards but had two lost fumbles, so he hasnt faired well against niners, so bring it on calvin and the d boys, the niners will be ready for u tell calvin becareful of Mr. Goldson… I will be at the game i got tickets at the 50 yard line front row can’t wait .
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Seriously!!
(only if we’re winning though)
by mr. instigator on Oct 13, 2011 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Another interesting stat for Lions fans who think we've had a cupcake sched so far...
Lions’ first five opponents combined records: 10 – 14
Niners’ first five opponents combined records: 11 – 13
It would be easy for people not familiar with our team to dismiss that the Niners having an easy sched… especially since we are playing in a division that produced a 7-9 champion last year.
Just sayin’…
by NinerFanTucson on Oct 11, 2011 9:57 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Oh yeah, that one extra win is HUGE!
That totally makes the Lions overrated and the Niners legit!
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That wasn't his point.
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Exactly...
I wasn’t saying that the one win differential equates to the “Lions being overrated” and the “Niners being legit”. Not at all. I am actually impressed with both teams’ turnaround seasons so far. I was merely showing stats to show that we have been played the same quality of opponents over the season so far.
I’m trying to refute the fantasy that most Lions fans have that the Niners are 4 – 1 from playing a cupcake sched so far. I mean, as you can see, our schedule is just as “cupcake” as the Lions’ schedule.
by NinerFanTucson on Oct 12, 2011 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions
I think part of the problem is that for Lions fans, the Vikings and Bears have been thorns in their sides for so long that winning those two games feels like beating “good” teams even though the records and stats say otherwise. From our end, most “experts” and fans of other teams look at our sched and see Seattle & Cincy and assume “they both suck” even though that’s not the case, especially the Cincy defense (just ask Buffalo). Add in Philly, whose record is quite poor but whose ability (and past success) says that they may be the best opponent thus far from either SF or Detroit’s sched, and it’s easy for an outsider to assume their path to victory has been much more difficult.
I think the Lions beating Seattle would feel the same as our beating Minnesota, it’s just that they don’t know that we view the Vikings in the same way they view the Seahawks.
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Cincy does suck.
Cincinnati beat the Ravens early last year too; they seem to win a game they have no business winning once a year.
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You’d likely see that differently if your team played the Bengals. Old stereotypes of teams die hard; it’s one reason some people still haven’t come around on the Lions.
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I wouldn't see it differently.
You’re making the claim that Cincinatti is better than we think because it beat Buffalo. Cincinatti did the same exact thing early last year in beating Baltimore, en route to a sixth pick in the draft.
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Okay, I think you would..
Having your ownteam play a team changes perspective. And what’s with the “last year” meme? If teams were judged primarily on previous seasons what would that say about the Lions?
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Why would it change perspective?
I’m not sitting here boasting about my opponents, other people from POD are. I don’t care about record. I’m simply saying, Cincinatti is not good just because it beat Buffalo. That’s a fallacious argument.
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Actually, they’re good because they are a 3-2 team despite being led by a rookie QB, have the #1 defense in terms of yardage, have beaten a 4-1 team and one of their losses is to a 4-1 team.
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Ah the sweet lull of yardage.
By yardage, they’ve gone up against the worst offense in the league (Jacksonville) the 27th offense (San Francisco), the 25th offense (Denver), and the 21st offense (Cleveland).
Forgive me if I’m not cowering at that defensive prowess. I’ll agree to disagree and just say let’s wait and see.
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Cincy has a good defense, and good O-Line just not a lot of talent at QB (yet) or receivers other than Green
They have some pieces, better team than most people think
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Oops
you conveniently forgot BUFFALO!
by mr. instigator on Oct 13, 2011 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn't conveniently forget anything.
Every team counts the same when averaging something out, each team they’ve faced has been 20% of that total. Ergo, 80% of that is the 32nd, 27th, 25th, and 21st offense.
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Perhaps playing the Cincy D
is part of the reason all those teams have low yardage totals? 2 sides of the same comparison…
Yes, it is part of the reason.
Exactly 20% of the reason. Whereas Cincinatti playing those offenses is 80% of the reason. Very lopsided sides of the same comparison.
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Bengals have given up the least yards per game in the entire NFL from their defense.
Up to this point, there’s no arguing that they’ve had the best defense in the NFL.
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Either way you see it
There is no denying that Cincy’s D is one of the best in the league (for now)
No... Points per game does...
Yards can be deceiving as a stat…
I don't put any stock in strength of schedule this early.
There will be good teams that just have take some games to come together. There will be teams that start hot and fall down. it is impossible to tell what you really have played until at least halfway through the season IMO. The sample size is still too small to tell much. Neither the Lions or 49ers are really sure what they have yet either. Both teams show great potential. It remains to be seen if wither of them can realize that potential over the course of the season.
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by TuffLynx on Oct 12, 2011 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I never put any stock into strength of schedule actually
Not only is there a big difference in a team at home and on the road, but also can be a huge difference in a team from week to week. Anyone watch the Steelers play yet this year? Talk about a Jekyle and Hyde team….
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Until the Lions can show that they consistently drive the entire field WITHOUT relying on big plays, I think the Niners can wear them down and pull off the upset.
Watching the MNF game, they came off flat to me, and that was with the most pumped up stadium I think i’ve ever seen. Bears continued to shoot themselves in the foot and still were in the game until the very end.
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49ers are for real. Detroit and the rest of the NFL will witness that this Sunday.
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by afrikabamboodle on Oct 11, 2011 10:27 PM PDT reply actions
Please tell him that twice maybe even thrice
sing him a song about that
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Suh has a degree in Mechanical Engineering..
..oh and if he’s a dirty player i don’t want him to be clean hahaha
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Maybe he should've done biology
then he’d know not to rip off someone’s head
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When Jim Harbaugh says "more is more" I think he is trying to say Moore is more.
may as well get your moneys worth if you have a facemask penalty coming...
that was his first preseason game…give it a rest.
The Dalton one looked worse that it actually ways.
Cutler is just a pussy…last year the NFL was still getting used to the lions having players who..well, can play.
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what was with Cutler last night?
The Cutler I know throws 4 picks and the Bears lose 34-3 under that kind of pressure. A lot of those escapes were lucky, but still. Cutler took some vaginitis cream or something, cause he never plays like that when the team crumbles around him
Thats the best ive ever seen culter play in the last 2 years..
there was some holding penalty’sand alot of drives kept alive by our own penalty’s….eitherway, divisional games are completely different, as the two teams play each other so much.
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He still should calm down a little before he gets labeled a dirty player.
Soon he won’t get benefit of the call and it will affect his playing.
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When Jim Harbaugh says "more is more" I think he is trying to say Moore is more.
na, i love how he plays the game...and in this D, that is excatly how it should be...
the only thing i will say is for him to watch his hands a little more…but all in all i couldn’t be happier with the All -Pro.
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He got onto the all-pro list?
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amazing even P.Willis didn't do it
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No
he only made the probowl.
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When Jim Harbaugh says "more is more" I think he is trying to say Moore is more.
He didn't have 10 sacks
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When Jim Harbaugh says "more is more" I think he is trying to say Moore is more.
nvm he did
wow I did not know that
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When Jim Harbaugh says "more is more" I think he is trying to say Moore is more.
crazy huh?
I didn’t know that until last night. And its not just sacks, hurries and hits on QB are equally illustrative of how dominant a D lineman is.
Yup
I should have known though I had him on my FF team
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When Jim Harbaugh says "more is more" I think he is trying to say Moore is more.
Suh did...he had an INT and Fumble for an TD too....along with 66 takles.
Insane numbers from the DT postiion…not sure how close he will get to repeating the sack totals but he is still a freak…were deeper at DT this year so they will send more waves…ergo, Suh wont get as many snaps.
i’ve seen him triple covered a number of times this year and is always getting chipped.
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Despite all the talent that
is extremely evident on the Lions D, they still gave up way too much yardage to a Cutler-led football team at home. What do you chalk it up to? Youth? Intra-division game? Oh yeah, those penalties sustaining drives was a part of that.
yardage is relative...but it is a combination of things
Youth early on…division games always play a roll, culter having a good game can happen, he has talent but because of his demnor is alway painted in a negative light…….i think our Dline gets so much push that sometimes they get way out of position…Durant is a first rate run stuffer and he was out…we also had a 3rd stringer at SS that lost contain on some of the runs that got bounced outside…………….also, Forte is one of the more underrated RB’s in the league. (look up some total yardage stats)
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Wrong
Dude was 1st team All-Pro as a rookie…
by mr. instigator on Oct 11, 2011 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Really
I thought he was 3 time all pro 4 time pro bowl
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You're
Right. But he was 1st team All-Pro and Probowler as a rook.
by mr. instigator on Oct 11, 2011 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions
what year did he not make it?
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Ahh I stand corrected.
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by afrikabamboodle on Oct 11, 2011 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Pro Bowl and second all pro team.
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by afrikabamboodle on Oct 11, 2011 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions
The only people that really think Suh is a dirty player....
are people that only watch highlight film and read the sensationalist media. If you actually have watched Suh and listened to him talk, you know that he is not a dirty player at all. There have been several bad calls on Suh that have been completely sensationalized by the media.
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The Cutler 'elbow to the head'
or ‘blow to the head’ last year was a push in the back. The fine was solely because of the violence of the contact, since Cutler was past the line of scrimmage, and therefore a running back, and Suh did not strike the head. Cutler’s a big guy, but Suh handled him like he was beating a small child, and that’s what drew the NFL’s approbation.
The Dalton hit was while he was releasing the ball, and Dalton’s helmet came off on collision with Cliff Avril’s shoulder while he was falling to the turf. Yes, he slammed him down at the end of that tackle, but he didn’t try to ‘twist his head off’, as everyone was calling it.
The Delhomme thing? Yeah, totally legit. The other two, not so much ‘dirty play’ as ‘hard play’.
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by NobodySpecial on Oct 12, 2011 4:34 AM PDT up reply actions
They should keep Soap in pass protection
And spy Suh. Nothing like a pair of angry Samoans.
..and give him some rocks..
and tell Suh got a coconut.
Isaac also attributes his strong throwing arm, reportedly being able to throw the ball 78 yards flat footed, to throwing 1-2 pound rocks at coconuts up to 70 feet high hanging from the trees. He would eventually develop enough strength and accuracy to knock down five or six coconuts in a matter of five minutes according to his own account.
Ummm...
Suh is so totally not Samoan… Niners fan, but c’mon… Can’t you tell the difference between Samoan and half African, half Jamaican?
I'll bet the "pair of angry Samoans" comment
was referring to Iupati and Soap, who would both be double-teaming Suh together.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
by these3words on Oct 14, 2011 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Ummmm....confidence much?????
seems like both fan bases are completely clueless as to what the other team is capable of.
Lions Fans (me being one) seem to discount your offense. I think everyone is assuming that we aren’t going to have a great day running the ball…its okay. We THROW the ball.
49er fans seem to discount well. both our offense and defense…and have a homefield advantage. we have tremendous speed on D (seriously look up some 40 times)…have yet to play a complete game.
Its like both sides think they can’t be touched. I think you will see a very different D line from the lions…not nearly as aggressiveness from the DE position unless for some reason your playing behind and trowing it a lot. we will hopefully get Durant OLB and Spivey (we had a special teams ace in at SS) back too.
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well said
seems to me guys are all lathered up for this one after suffering through such embarrassment for so many recent years. The inexperience with how to respond to success seems to be evident here; everyone is citing teams records, individual stats, and offense/defense ranking … after 5 weeks … wow.
and we still suffer from arrogant over-confidence as a result of being 4-1 … that’s 5 games … Poor Latif Masud didn’t know how defensive fans get when they’ve sniffed some success for the first time in nearly a decade.
I look forward to the match up in Detroit. If it were in SF, niners probably favored, since its at Detroit, and Detroit has the best WR and QB on either team, with a DL that just may overmatch the Niners O-line all day long. Will be interesting to see how both teams fare.
Lions fans should recognize that up through halftime of the Eagles game (Week 4 .. that was less than 2 weeks ago), it had been, by and large, the same old Alex Smith. This is partly on Harbaugh for continuing a trend of shotty and conservative play calling, but then all of a suddent he run game gets bossy for the niners and AS is able to string together 6 solid quarters in a row. If Detroit tears up the niners O-Line and stuffs the run, as teams did to an extend against the niners week 1 – halftime of week 4, than I see AS struggling, despite his evident improvements. One thing is clear, especially after last week: AS is playing with confidence he arguable has never possessed. Whether this new found confidence is enough to overcome an O-Line that may struggle at times in Detroit, is another story.
The inexperience with how to respond to success seems to be evident here
Tell that to Eagles fans, Phillie fans, Sawks fans, Yankee fans, Laker fans, etc. You really think they “know how to handle it?” Fact is, on any sports blog, you’ll find more than a couple meatheads who think [Player on their team] is the best ever and [All star on the other team] sucks donkey.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 11, 2011 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I was trying to be polite
but yes, what you are saying is entirely accurate. It’s quite easy to do when you think about it.
My guy is awesome
Your guy sucks
My team is going to win
Your team is going to get beat because they suck and we’re great
What did you say about my guy? Your guy sucks more…
It’s very easy to do…
Must correct you on one thing
it had been, by and large, the same old Alex Smith.
Not true. The old Alex made poor decisions while under pressure and turned the ball over, both by fumble and INT. He was under tremendous pressure vs Dallas, Cincy, (both very good defenses) and Philly yet avoided mental and physical mistakes. That one would assume this is to admit either not having watched him the past few seasons (can’t blame you) or having not watched him this season.
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I remember the open threads
from that Eagle game talking about how AS needs perfect conditions to be successful, which was justified. I’m impressed with AS for much of this season, though the past 6 quarters in particular, but saying AS has “gotten over the hump” so to speak to become a solid QB that we know what to expect every week is like saying Brady is not very good if he throws 3 picks in 3 consecutive weeks to lose the game. This guy has such a large sample size that I find the sudden assurance in AS a bit lacking in sobriety. To say that AS is much better because he’s not handing the game away as he used to I suppose is literally true, but its not saying a whole lot.
I haven’t said he’s over the hump. I would say he’s competent and doing his job, a difficult job for any QB in that it’s a new system with new coaches and injured WRs. I’ll reserve judgement of his QB play once a larger sample size is available. I won’t consider him to have arrived even if he throws for 300 yards & 3 TDs in victory this weekend but I also won’t reflexively jeer “same old Alex” if he struggles vs a great pass rush on the road while losing. For me, it’s a huge step that he has this much leash.
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the main point was, for the most part the first 3 1/2 games was the same A Smith: poor pocket awareness, and an inability to make reads/plays down the field. His yards and pass chart bear this out. Again, some of that is Harbaugh not giving him any leash; that leash you’re talking about has only occurred (somewhat) recently.
The record has minimized the scrutiny of Smith’s shortcomings early on. Winning tends to do that. Harbaugh will eventually have no choice to let A Smith loose (maybe on Sunday at Detroit) in order to win a game, and I hope Smith’s new found confidence will help him succeed.
I’d first ask you (or any fan) to clarify what “let A Smith loose” looks like to them. I don’t think Harbaugh would want his team to pass on 60% or more plays even if he had Aaron Rodgers. That’s who Harbaugh is, much like Andy Reid wouldn’t run the ball 50% or more of time even if he had Adrian Peterson backed up by Gore. I think JH let Alex be pretty loose in Philly since the middle of their D had holes. He did it less vs Tampa since they couldn’t stop the run; if your opponent can’t stop something, keep doing it.
I was critical of a handful of plays missed by Alex in the Seattle and Dallas games but also have to admit that it’s a new offense, thus any QB would miss some plays early in the season. If you watched the Dallas game you know that the pressure on Alex was more about our OL than his his pocket awareness.
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by SpurredOn on Oct 12, 2011 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Poor Latif Masud didn’t know how defensive fans get when they’ve sniffed some success for the first time in nearly a decade
Poor Latif did know…he’s a fan of the Lions and expected pretty much the same thing that went up there, which is why I tried to say as objective as I possibly could even though I don’t know anything about 49ers yet….though that’ll change in the coming hours
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Its a pissing match between the two fan bases
Pretty crazy to think that it’s between the Niners, and the Lions. Nobody would of guessed that this game will be the game of the week heading into week 6 lol
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I think both fan bases are really feeling themselves far more than either group expected, for the first time in nearly a decade here by the Bay, and a generation in Detroit. If relying on highlights or game broadcasts I would say that some Niners fans may know a bit more about the Lions since you guys have dominated the highlight shows with two great come-from-behind wins, including one vs Media’s Team in Texas. The Niners make for an interesting case because much of the roster is unchanged which means followers of the NFL will understandably feel as though they know this team already. We thought we did too, but a new HC, three new coordinators, some maturing young players plus a few veteran additions have shown just how important great coaching and role players are to success.
I can tell you that the Niners offense has not had trouble scoring due to their defense forcing turnovers and getting off the field on 3rd down, thus the offense gets more possessions and a few short fields per game. Add in the great special teams and you see why the Niners have scored so many points while not yet piling up the yards. The yardage totals have been improving which means they score while using clock, something Detroit does not do. I would guess that if the Niners defense eliminates big plays (something that burned them in week 2 and vs the Eagles fast-break offense) they will frustrate Detroit and keep them at or under 20 points.
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fair analysis
Both teams will need their running game; the niners perhaps a little more than Detroit. Detroit typically has played from behind or been well ahead (if I’m not mistaken) until Monday against Chicago, and only scored 24 pts, two of those touchdowns on broken plays that went big. If those big plays are absent, obviously, and the run game is shot down, the niners should be in position to challenge for the victory in a low scoring game.
I expect points
Be it 27-20 or 24-17. More points for either team means turnovers or TD via special teams. One common opponent they have is Dallas, a team with great pass rush. Niners scored 24 points, Lions offense scored 16. Smith and Stafford were under lots of pressure in those respective games. If it’s a low scoring game that would favor SF since their style is patience and running the ball. Plus, being a road team playing in a dome it would likely mean taking the energy out of the stadium. Obviously, no team should want to get into a 30+ point shootout at Ford Field. The crowd helping that pass rush would make any QB’s job quite difficult.
You should expect the Niners to be the un-Bears, meaning they will not drop their QB back over and over in a predictable pattern that exposes him they way Martz did Cutler. They will make that front 4 defend the run which should slow their pass rush and (from our end) hopefully tire them out a bit.
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@ home vs. away though....
plus, just cuz we put the ball in the endzone with the D doesn’t mean we wouldn’t have done so with the great field postion given to the offense…you can swing point differental anyway you like…….according to the box score the TB game against us would look like it was close…but really we punched them in the mouth in their home opener no less.
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Just one example
Not meant to be an end-all be-all. Just showing that even an explosive offense like Detroit’s can struggle to reach 20 points without the aid of turnovers. Due to personnel and preference they prefer to pass. That predictability will likely assist the Niners in their attempt to do what they’ve done to each opponent this far: pressure the QB and force turnovers. It may not happen but it plays into what they’ve done well thus far.
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To add to SpurredOn's good point
reposted from above:
they do give a crap about running
they have just been getting great/timely turnovers and been exploiting magatron so well/so much that not running well consistently hasn’t hurt them in the standings. Best is a good back, but he’s best in space, and RBs don’t have the luxury of having it all the time. It wasn’t Best’s 90 yard sprint that was most impressive — we know he’s one of the fastest players in the NFL (100 meters, not 40 yard dash) — it was his elusive run after that when he made like 4 Bear defenders miss in open space.
as the Lions play closer games rather than blowing people out or coming from behind (like the Cowboys game), lacking the ability to hammer out consistent yards will hurt them.
Good point by you as well
Thinking way ahead, if the Lions are a playoff team but not winner of the North, that means a road playoff game, perhaps in SF or whichever team wins the East (Washington?). Those are the moments where developing a run game, blocking and RB rotation, will be mandatory. Thinking even further ahead, the Lions are likely a drafted workhorse type RB away from being a SB contender.
Question about the 88-yd TD run: it looked to me like Urlacher overran the play and went to the wrong hole, the same one as the safety. Or the safety chose the wrong hole. Did your blog review that in any way?
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We drafted RB M. Leshoure...saddly he is on IR with at Torn Achillies.
Actually Briggs was reading a diffrent play which is why he went with stafford instead of filling the gap…that was the difference between 5-6 yrds and 88 and a TD
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Jahvid Best… I miss him. I am NOT looking forward to him finding space.
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 12, 2011 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe Willis and Bowman can say hi on Sunday
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We have some pretty speedy linebackers... not as fast as Best but they take great angles.
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The lions actually don't need the run game but they have to do it to give you some looks and keep people honest.
Our head coach was completely okay with the fact that we rushed for only 63yards against the Cowboys….but when you look at how we did it, it makes sense…..in the new NFL its all about run efficiency, which by in large is dependent on scheme.
Search Lions Slolights on youtube…its really cool to see how plays develop and how exact formations give you so many different options….(like the 88 yarder best hung on the bears)
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I totally agree with this
The overall attitude in this thread is terrible. I don’t even want to participate. It’s kind of embarrassing.
by InTimmyWeTrust on Oct 12, 2011 2:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Lions questions
What’s your scouting report on the Lions’ secondary?
How strong/weak are the special teams units?
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Special Teams is as good as any..
Coverage units have seemed to get better. Logan is a great KR/PR man…thus why no one ever lets him return Kick offs.
The secondary is very underrated IMO….Delmas is a good FS, Spivey (who was out with injury on MNF) has mad some remarkable improvement over last year. Wright, Houston are starting caliber CB’s and we have great depth with Smith and Berry…we still lack a true number 1 shut down guy…but given the rise of spread offenses and GB’s system i would rather have depth than the expensive shutdown guy.
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Should be an interesting matchup
As of last week (if I correctly recall) Football Outsiders had the Niners kicking units ranked #1. They’ve been solid every week in containing returners, have one of the best punters in the league (best in the NFC), a top return man, and one of better kickers. This has given them an advantage in field position.
I know little about the Lions’ DBs so your (and anyone else’s) feedback will be taken as truth. I look forward to watching them Sunday in consecutive games to have a more full judgement. My perception is that they are average as a group but look better due to the pass rush.
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Chris Houston has made strides in deep ball coverage.
He was never able to locate the ball in ATL but he has been coached up and leads the league in interceptions (3) tied with other players. Eric Wright is a solid #2. We have a lot of depth #2 type guys which helps us hang with spread offenses like GB and NO. I would say our DB’s are above avg, maybe even good but they’re not great. The D-Line makes our whole defense look good though.
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by Amendola dolla billz y'all on Oct 12, 2011 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions
How about the safeties?
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Spievey had a hamstring injury.
His cousin was also killed Sunday in a bar fight in Romania (go figure, if I had a nickel for every time that happened to me) From what I hear he is an emotional wreck still, not sure if you’ll see him.
- He has been a very pleasant surprise this season though. Converted from CB to S, he is very fast.
Louis ‘DeMissile’ Delmas is just a stud. You can ask any of our divisional foes. He’s fast, doesn’t get caught out of position too much, takes great angles, and is a BIG hitter.
My main concern is Vernon Davis, he is a beast and a tough matchup. Much like a Witten but stronger. He’s also my fantasy TE, needless to say I will be starting him.
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by Amendola dolla billz y'all on Oct 12, 2011 12:23 AM PDT up reply actions
I really like Delmas
He’s exactly what the Niners need. Where would you rank him on your team? Would you venture to say he may be the third best player on either side of the ball, after Johnson and Suh?
by InTimmyWeTrust on Oct 12, 2011 7:40 AM PDT up reply actions
If he had more ballskills I would
I’d say he is probably #6
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by Amendola dolla billz y'all on Oct 12, 2011 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
OK OK OK.. I have the solution...
This is how we can stop Calvin Johnson.. We can’t…
What we do is stop the pass from getting to him.. If our D-line “which is amazing” puts enough pressure on Stafford we can get some 3-outs and put us in favor of winning.. wohooo..
2 sacks for him
2 for Brooks
Justin Smith is something else. 100% Effort! 100% Class!
"I was just running toward the ball," Smith said. "The guys in front of him were making him slow up a little bit. I just went for the ball and, luckily, it was there."
Who's the best player on the Lions that we probably haven't heard of?
This question usually gets some good responses and makes the game more fun when you know who to look out for.
Corey Williams
Gets less pub than the other starters, but a beast against the run. Eats two blockers consistently.
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
by NobodySpecial on Oct 12, 2011 4:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Cliff Avril
I’d say 90% of people don’t know about him. He had 8.5 sacks last season at DE. He’s a great speed rusher and is sound in the wide 9 technique.
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by Amendola dolla billz y'all on Oct 12, 2011 4:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Willie Young
2nd year DE. He started the year as our 4th DE, but he’s earned more playing time with each game. He might be our quickest DE (him or Avril) and has gotten sacks in the last two games.
Not much of a question
But good luck Lion’s fans. Good job on those Lion’s part to become 5-0. Very weird.
But I hope this will be an exciting game and I hope after all is said and done, both teams will be looking at a 5-1 record :)
Good luck!
by 49erfannm on Oct 12, 2011 9:19 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Good luck to you 49ers fans too
I’ll be hoping for 6-0 and 4-2 :) This should be one helluva game
After this Sunday, I’ll be looking forward to seeing the 49ers kicking some serious butt.
Happier than a pig in shit that I was wrong about Matthew Stafford since 2009!
Go Lions, Tigers, Red Wings and Pistons!
just so you know
most of us are super psyched to see you guys do well. We totally understand what its like to be a horrible franchise for a long time. I think your team has developed nicely by adding good quality players all over the field (fan of Delmas myself). All I want is a good competitive game with SF coming out on top. Give us your best and hope for an injury-free game.
New question to you and other Lions fans
What were your respective expectations coming into this season, both record and end goals? I’m interested if the feeling was “playoffs” regardless of being an 8 or 9 win team, or did people look at the schedule and see 9, 10 or 11 wins. Also, have those expectations been altered at all with the 5-0 start or are they right about where you thought they’d be at this point?
From my end, I though the Lions would be 9-7 and make/miss the playoffs based on wild card tiebreakers with Dallas and Atlanta (two teams they play). Once you guys won in Dallas, the playoffs became a near certainty (health of Stafford) to happen IMO.
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I believe 10-6 was the most common prediction (It was also mine)
I don’t think anyone expected to be 5-0 at this point. Considering our start and the 6 home games still left on our schedule I hope to get to at least 11 wins.
My answer to that question...
Expectations from the four writers at POD was a 10-6 season (two 10-6, one 9-7, one 11-5). We’re playing in the NFC North, we knew fully well that 8 or 9 wins wouldn’t come close to winning the division which would leave us battling for the wild cards; again, in the NFC I can’t see that happening off 8 or 9 wins. My expectations have raised since coming off with a 5-0 start since I had predicted 10-6 with losses @Dallas, @Minnesota — we won those both, so I upped my prediction for the season to 11-5. If we lose VAtlanta (the only other per-game prediction I had planned) I’ll bump it back down to a 10-6 prediction.
I made no predictions on any other game besides @Dal, @Min, Atlanta, just figuring they’d get “around” that 10 wins in some surprising wins and surprising losses, as all NFL teams do.
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I think the #6 seed NFC wild card will be 9-7 and the result thus far make that more likely. I expect the loser of the North, assuming the Lions keep on keepin’ on, to have at least 10 wins which makes them the #5 seed. The last team will either be the East’s second place team (10 wins should win the division so 2nd place is likely 9-7) or the the South’s. I don’t see Atlanta or Tampa breaking 9 wins.
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Just to note
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by Latif Masud on Oct 12, 2011 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I picked 8-8 and miss the playoffs
I think we need 1 more solid draft/FA period from being a true powerhouse. I’m loving the start of this season though and hope it keeps up!
Happier than a pig in shit that I was wrong about Matthew Stafford since 2009!
Go Lions, Tigers, Red Wings and Pistons!
I had you guys pegged at 9-7. I knew you had gotten better but I didn’t see 5-0 coming.
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I agree...
I had both of us 9-7 with us winning the division you just missing the playoffs… I actually expect us both to win 10 minimum at this point though…
Dang, we're some overconfident fans.
Truth is, the Lions are exactly the team that the Niners are doomed against….a vertical passing attack + a tenacious defensive line.
As a fan, i trust that Harbaugh has this game very well planned, enough to get us a win.
As a realist, the Lions get an early lead, and chase Alex all over the field.
The Eagles Dline did pretty good at getting after Alex.
He was sacked 3 times and hit and hurried several more.
I think their defense is decent but it’s their offense that we have to really worry about stopping to be honest.
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yea, alex is handling pressure real well
definitely a big reason for our ascent.
no matter what, this is going to be a really great game. both coaches have their work cut out for them. guys are going to have to step up (i’m looking at you, crabtree) and play legendary.
more than anything, we’re going to find out what the niners are all about. with all due respect to every team they’ve faced, this is the biggest challenge yet. a complete team with very good coaching at all phases. detroit’s not perfect, and the niners might just expose them…. at least, i hope they do! but still…it’s a road game against a very solid team. godspeed niners!
Wait...
.bq a vertical passing attack + a tenacious defensive line
Sounds like the eagles…
I think we can manage and make the game interesting.
I can’t wait.
by NinerFanTucson on Oct 12, 2011 11:11 AM PDT reply actions
Reply fail...
a vertical passing attack + a tenacious defensive line
Sounds like the eagles…
I think we can manage and make the game interesting.
I can’t wait.
by NinerFanTucson on Oct 12, 2011 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
I take offense at comparing Philadelphia's defensive line to ours.
Patent offense, good sir.
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Eagles have a great pass rushing front four
Make no mistake. Unfortunately for them they are awful at MLB and Safety so they can be run on.
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I wasn't... sorry if it came out that way
It was just the same things I was afraid of going into the Eagles game.
Jason Babin is still the second leading sack person in the NFL this year though…
by NinerFanTucson on Oct 12, 2011 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
They got 3 sacks on Smith and hurried and knocked him down several more. I think it’s a fair comparison in terms of getting pressure… but with different pieces.
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It's not a fair comparison.
Philadelphia has seven guys (Cole, Babin, Laws, Patterson, Jenkins, Fuqua, Tapp), four of which are a clear drop off the cliff from their three good starters (Cole, Babin, Jenkins.) Detroit fields 9 guys in rotation, the only great dropoff from any of them being Suh to anyone else; they let one of their depth DEs go this off-season who has been a game 1 starter for the Saints, for instance.
Detroit’s starting line is more capable than Philadelphia’s, and the depth is deeper than Philadelphia’s. That’s why I find the comparison wrongful; not because Philadelphia can’t get it done, but Detroit has a full force DL for all 60 minutes. There’s no gassing them and there’s no taking advantage of the depth guys when they spell the starters. That’s what I was saying.
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I think you’re arguing semantics here.
Primary job for a defensive line is to create pressure, stuff up lanes, etc… both do it will. It’s as simple as that.
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How long is a football game?
Last I checked it’s 60 minutes. That is not semantics; Philadelphia does not field a line capable of doing its, as you call it, primary job, for every snap of that defense. Heck, with the malaise of their running defense I’d argue they aren’t even doing half of their “primary job” for most of the game, let alone all of it.
It isn’t semantics. I never said Philadelphia had a bad line. And sure, they’re capable of creating pressure; they just aren’t as capable, and certainly not for as long.
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Their poor run D is more an issue of their LB and safety play. It is, after all, a team game.
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I believe the word Drew used was "stuff up lanes."
I know their main deficiency in the running game is LB/S play. That doesn’t mean their d-line is completely blameless.
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Different levels, three in fact...
As SpurredOn points out… their D-line is doing their part. And last time I checked, the Lions “Dline” has not been the best at stopping the run either. Forte put up a buck-twenty on you all.
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by Drew Kerr on Oct 12, 2011 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Huh. Just when is the last time you checked?
Best in the league at stopping the power running game (heavily predicated on the DL), seventh in the league at run stuffing. The majority of runs over 8 yards against Detroit have been open-space or off-tackle runs; which the DL can’t do much about.
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So what are you saying? Because I watched the MNF game...
All Forte’s runs were not to the outside.
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And yet...
60% of his runs were for 3 yards or less; 50% were for 1 yard or less.
All of them weren’t to the outside and off-tackle. Just nearly all of his successful ones.
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So it’s a team game in DET, but it says something bad about the Philly DL?
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Let me know when Philadelphia's handling runs up the middle well.
Of course, the LBs should be blamed in that situation, right?
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Yes, if it’s their scheme.
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It isn't their scheme.
They run the same d-line scheme as Detroit does. The DTs have big responsibilities in A-gap runs, and they aren’t getting the job done.
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What happens when your top four are so darn good
That you don’t need to rotate them out? Outside of Suh and perhaps Vanden Bosch, the rest of the Detroit DL are all good but about the same level. Philly has three guys that can make a Pro Bowl on their own. Perhaps the rest of the Detroit guys are doing so well because they don’t have to play as much, whereas the eagles DL plays dominant even while playing a bunch.
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So we're agreed.
Outside of Suh and KVB, Detroit has seven guys that are all about the same level.
Philadelphia, outside of Cullen Jenkins, Jason Babin, and Trent Cole, have four guys who wouldn’t even make Detroit’s lineup.
Think that about sums my argument up just fine, thank you for pointing it out.
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You totally missed the boat on that one.
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And, for the record.
No, Philadelphia’s DL doesn’t play dominant for the entire game. I’ve watched Philly games, lol.
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Funny, we've watched them too and played them
Perhaps Niner fans know a bit more about them than you do at this point?
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Is that relevant?
So smug about what you know. All I said was I was offended at comparing Philadelphia’s line with Detroit’s in a “we’ve faced a good front-four before” argument. If you’re not making the argument, then I’m not arguing.
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Yes, it is, because you wrote
No, Philadelphia’s DL doesn’t play dominant for the entire game. I’ve watched Philly games, lol
If someone knows them better, perhaps their assessment is more likely to be correct. I wouldn’t challenge your opinons of the Chiefs since your team has played them more recently and you are likely to know more than I. That’s not smug.
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So your argument is that
Philadalphia’s defensive line plays dominant for the entire game, based on having watched them play your 49ers? I’d have to say that speaks more about your offensive line than their defensive line, and should be great cause for concern, because they certainly didn’t do that in the games I’ve seen.
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No
I also watched them play Atlanta (when they beat up Ryan), much of their game vs NYG, and their game in Buffalo (where Cole didn’t play due to injury). I’m fairly familair with their front-4. As for the Niners’ OL, they allowed zero sacks to a good Tampa front-4. Anything else?
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On 19 passing attempts.
Every time your team has attempted more than 20 passes in a game, you’ve given up 3 or more sacks.
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We could’ve thrown it 30 times Sunday and they wouldn’t have sacked Alex. But why throw when you run it down people’s throats with success.
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With seven linemen in on the play, haha.
I don’t think we can do that on them much unless a short gain is needed. We will have to out-scheme them. It’s as simple as that. They have too much talent in the middle of that Dline, so they will have to be out thought and techniqued… although there is not much doing that with Suh. But Suh does have weaknesses. Him being over eager one of his issues. He jumps a lot… so I expect to see a bunch of head jerks and hard counts… especially if that crowd is going bananas.
We can run on them, we just have to be tricky with it. And to be honest, I think a back like Kendall Hunter opposed to Gore could have the most success just because he is a bit more shifty, smaller and can bounce runs to the outside a bit better. Gore is more of a north-south runner which has not worked against them.
Personnel matchups is key for this game.
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That's why i'm starting both Gore and Hunter this week...
One way or another, I’m getting ALL those yards…
You could argue that the Lions defensive line (or any in the NFL for that matter)
Isn’t effective 100% of the time.
You did after all give just give up 116 yards to Forte
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We held him to 3 yards or less on 60% of his rushing attempts.
And stuffed him for 1 or less on 50%.
The defensive line has little to do with off-tackle and open space running attempts — the ones where they saw the most success.
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The defensive line has little to do with off-tackle and open space running
I don’t think you realize how fundamentally wrong this comment is.
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I didn't say it had nothing to do with it.
Kyle Vanden Bosch and Corey Williams can hardly be a factor when the run is off right tackle, for instance. “Little to do” is an apt phrase.
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Do you know what a defensive ends job is on a run play? I am not saying that in a condescending way, I’d really like to know if you know? And more importantly how scheme plays in to all that. Generally, it’s the same across the board against the run. Each defensive lineman has gap assignments. Now, linebackers play a part in that equation too but if you don’t understand a defensive ends job on ANY given run play, then you probably should do some brushing up before making statements like and using phrases like “little to do” aptly to describe what you are really trying to argue.
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Condescension again?
Sigh.
Philadelphia and Detroit both run a wide 9 4-3 over scheme on the defensive line. Both defensive ends line up two gaps outside the tackles, the tackle to the left plays a shade inside of the left shoulder of the RG and the tackle to the right plays outside the left shoulder of the center. The defensive ends attack the same on both run and pass plays, they swing a speed rush to the outside and attempt to get the RB on the way to the quarterback. If they are unsuccessful in getting the RB on the way to the quarterback they are successful at least in re-directing the running back into the linebackers.
On off-tackle runs, particularly delayed ones, the tackle that’s on the opposite side of the run will give the DE a fight and the tackle that’s playing the DE at point of attack will redirect the DE deep into the backfield causing a large hole in the defensive line. Meanwhile the two DTs are sealed off by the three interior linemen, if the opposite-side guard isn’t pulling to the other side to hit a LB to open a hole. What this means is both DEs are sealed off from the play, the DTs are being sealed off from the play, and the closest linebacker is likely being blocked by either the opposite end guard or a tight end, giving freedom.
Let me know if you need any more education on the scheme my team and Philadelphia runs.
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First off...
I am not saying that in a condescending way, I’d really like to know if you know?
Reading comprehension.
I will address the rest in a sec.
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"Reading comprehension" is, again, a condescending tone.
“Condescending statement blah blah condescending question. But I’m not saying this in a condescending way, I’d just really like to know if you know anything.”
Is how your post came off, regardless of how you intended it.
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Not everyone has the same level of football knowledge. And from the statements I’ve read from you, it is in question… and still is after that long wind about how a defensive end can get beat, not what his assignments are and primary responsibility is on a given run play… inside or outside.
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I already told you.
The DEs responsibility in the wide 9 is to the outside, every play. If they expect off-tackle run or need to stack up, they will shift them inside. Every successful off-tackle run you saw from Forte was from the wide-9. It’s scheme.
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None of that explains THE general concept
of a defensive ends job…
All it says is how a defensive end (yours) get beat.
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There is no "general concept"
Of a defensive end’s job. You said it yourself:
And more importantly how scheme plays in to all that.
More importantly how scheme plays into all that. A 5-tech DE plays the run a lot differently than a 7-tech plays the run a lot differently than a 9-tech plays the run. I have explained, fully, how my statement is correct in that our line has “little to do” with off-tackle runs because it’s the nature of the scheme, patently. Their job is to attempt to save it if they can, but they are not culpable on off-tackle runs as much as the LBs and CBs are. If an off-tackle run is expected, the DEs will move into the 7 tech and play it more properly; which they did against Chicago, and you saw his least successful off-tackle/end runs on those plays.
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Dam Mav,
You were holding your own pretty well against Mr. Drew K, our Grand Inquisitor, but you slipped and said
The defensive line has little to do with off-tackle and open space running attempts
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by afrikabamboodle on Oct 12, 2011 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Hardly slipped.
See above. The condescension from NN posters is pretty palpable here.
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That's just Drew being Drew :P
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by afrikabamboodle on Oct 12, 2011 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Come now, stop with the victim tone, especially when a guest on an opposing team’s blog.
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I have no victim tone.
Where I am is of no import. If you contend that it is not pretty palpable, then contend so. Do not mistake my tone with martyrdom.
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I'd disagree (surprise)
The condescension from NN posters is pretty palpable here
Especially when you’re getting much of what you give. And yes, where you are matters. Always important to be a good guest.
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If I haven't been a good guest, then ban me.
As important it is to be a good guest, it is equally as important to be a good host. I give what I get, always, and my fellow posters on POD can back me on that. If I am met with stones then I will throw stones back, it is as simple as that.
I do not throw the first stone, but I don’t back away either. If you take offense at something I’ve said, then make me aware of it; and I’ll either make you aware of what caused me to say it or I will apologize for losing my cool.
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In my years here we have only banned one user that isn't a spammer
If you are attempting to get banned you try to go on a string of swear and use personal attacks. But that might just get you a warning because you are new here.
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I only curse in game threads.
And no, I’m not attempting to get banned.
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by mcwagner on Oct 12, 2011 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
ya that phrase is forbidden
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When Jim Harbaugh says "more is more" I think he is trying to say Moore is more.
No one is talking ban, just know your own role in what you feel is “condescension from NN posters.”
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What, exactly, is my role?
Because you’re coming off like my role is “whooping boy” or something. I’m here to talk about the matchup, football, and generally participate in some rabble-rousing smack talk. If I feel I’m being wronged, i’ll bite back.
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Nobody is trying to "wrong" you here.
Just point out where, in some of your statements, that you could potentially be wrong, or incorrect.
Not sure that equates to being “wronged”.
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I welcome argument freely.
I enjoy discussion and debate. I’ve never claimed I was being wronged simply for people disagreeing with me. I’m not one of those kind of people. If I’m wrong, show me how I’m wrong, I’ll either apologize, bring up a counterpoint, or agree to disagree.
The manner that some people have disagreed with me? Yes, I’ve found it to be a little condescending at times and I’ve said so.
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I no way was trying to be condescending at any point. I was asking a legitimate question until it was taken wrong and snark was fired back… then, yes, at that point I got a bit condescending… which still isn’t right, so apologies.
Hopefully, the conversation can navigate itself down a more constructive path from this point on.
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Well, I apologize for being snarky.
But you have to realize, in the future, that “I don’t mean to come off as condescending but [statement that could come off as condescending]” can be misconstrued with even the most honest of intentions.
I hold no grudges. The majority of you are really stand-up, cool cats, and it’s fun chatting with you all.
"You've got to respect your opponent, no matter who it is. You respect him best by going out there and beating him up." - Calvin Johnson
I feel the same...
Except for the guy that sent me an email to my personal email with plenty of vulgar adjectives explaining why I should #Y$#&$$*@# OFF!!!.
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When Jim Harbaugh says "more is more" I think he is trying to say Moore is more.
by manraj7 on Oct 12, 2011 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ever since I got promoted to contributing writer on POD
Every week or two I get some random e-mail from someone trying to get me to blog/write/participate in some random site I’ve never heard of.
"You've got to respect your opponent, no matter who it is. You respect him best by going out there and beating him up." - Calvin Johnson
Coming from a board that called us idiots
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When Jim Harbaugh says "more is more" I think he is trying to say Moore is more.
I know I called you nothing of the sort.
And I am the one who has been the target of condescension from multiple commenters, and I am the only one I am speaking for.
"You've got to respect your opponent, no matter who it is. You respect him best by going out there and beating him up." - Calvin Johnson
This is like relief pitching in baseball
I pitched against him last night, you got him today, Sims warming up in the bullpen
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Lmaooo....
you’re going on 1 day rest buddy. PLAYBALL!!!
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Oct 14, 2011 5:15 AM PDT up reply actions
interesting, no doubt!
the niners have….even when they were coached by the dolt, been competitive.
this weekend will be a real chess match and a fantastic game to watch.
Here is what I know for sure...
The Lions and 49ers fans both love their team.
Both fan bases are feeling pretty good right now.
Neither fan base is really sure how their team will fare the rest of the season.
Both fan bases are worried about playing the other team.
Both fan bases are blustering a bit to cover that worry.
The game will not be settled till Sunday, but we will have some fun with each other while we wait.
How am I doing so far?
I never met him, but he was family to me... R.I.P. Tom Kowalski We will all miss you.
by TuffLynx on Oct 12, 2011 11:12 AM PDT reply actions 5 recs
Well we all know this game is the real test to see who is for real in this league. I’m super excited.
by 49erfannm on Oct 12, 2011 12:32 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm
a-n-x-i-o-u-s to say the least.
Justin Smith is something else. 100% Effort! 100% Class!
"I was just running toward the ball," Smith said. "The guys in front of him were making him slow up a little bit. I just went for the ball and, luckily, it was there."
Exactly!
This will be a great game for both teams, and I would not be disappointed the least bit if the Lions lost to the Niners
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by Latif Masud on Oct 12, 2011 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Solution to stop Megatron
LBJ yes you heard me. We have found our Optimus. He’s looking for a gig, he’s taller has higher hops, longer reach and is stronger. We put him at the line just to knock CJ on his rear.
by AthleticsReign on Oct 12, 2011 11:14 AM PDT reply actions
well just do not put him in going into the 4th quarter
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by JCruize on Oct 12, 2011 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
you really want us to get on Sportscenter don't you?
They would still ignore us and say that LeBron has switched sports and will play against the Detroit Lions as he played against the Detroit Pistons. How does D-Wade feel about this?
pretty bummed I imagine
He won’t have his anal sex buddy
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by Latif Masud on Oct 12, 2011 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
while I thank you for that haunting image
we would prefer if you refrained from implying that sport stars participate in sodomy with one another. The site decorum is a gray, hazy line that is hard to make out. Also, to use the headline of being "bum"med and then have that following line is a bit redundant.
Sorry
The comment above usually isn’t an issue over at POD. I kept it clean of any vulgar language but I’ll play by your rules
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the only thing you need to apologize about
is not laughing at how I pointed out that he would be “bummed” when referring to… what you said. A bum is a term used for buttocks… now laugh.
After following this thread the past couple of days...
All I can think of is “Is it Sunday yet?”
Exactly
Attacks are being thrown out left and right. I’m tired of all this and just want the teams to go out and prove people wrong
What happens...
…if it ends in a tie?
by NinerFanTucson on Oct 12, 2011 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
The winning fan base will determine their pre-game assertions were correct and their team is better. The lsoing team’s fan base will determine that their assertions were correct, it’s just that this one play/mistake/ref call ruined the outcome but still believe that their team is better.
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by SpurredOn on Oct 12, 2011 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's exactly how it will happen.
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Eleanor Rigby - "Greatest Song" or "The Greatest Song"?
Dobbs is some kind of Young/Smith/Roosevelt hybrid, and will absolutely ruin the NFL experience for the other 31 teams and their few fans.
Question for Latif
Will you pledge to ride to San Francisco on a bicycle if the Lions lose to the Niners?
Justin Smith is something else. 100% Effort! 100% Class!
"I was just running toward the ball," Smith said. "The guys in front of him were making him slow up a little bit. I just went for the ball and, luckily, it was there."
I'll pledge to ride a bicycle on a plane that is paid for by you guys...
Would that work?
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Yep
My brother has an ultra-lite in his backyard in Dearborn. He’s a Niners fan and said he’s game.
Justin Smith is something else. 100% Effort! 100% Class!
"I was just running toward the ball," Smith said. "The guys in front of him were making him slow up a little bit. I just went for the ball and, luckily, it was there."
I like how this comment comes from a dude named riderless..
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Stopping Calvin.
I think Eric Davis said it best, when you try to defend Calvin you play the ball not Johnson. Which is the best approach to limiting Johnson’s impact.
I believe in excellence. I believe in Alex Smith.
How do you play the ball
when Calvin is attacking the ball in those jump ball situations in the endzone? Does Eric Davis know that he’s 6’5"?
If Megatron isnt burning our DB’s, he’s out jumping our DB’s in the endzone.
I like what Edggy said earlier. They have to get pressure on Stafford
"I hate it! It looks like a stickup at 7-Eleven. Five guys standing there with their hands in the air."
Norm Sloan
"We have a great bunch of outside shooters. Unfortunately, all our games are played indoors."
Weldon Drew
Exactly. You don't stop Kobe.
You hope to slow him down, but ultimately you’re looking to stop his teammates.
Affectionately,
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by afrikabamboodle on Oct 12, 2011 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
Try playing the ball when its 12 foot off the ground and only Calvin can catch it…
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I think the 49ers should give us this game.
C’mon, there is no doubt in my mind that you guys with the NFC West and are going to the playoffs barring a major melt down. Us Lions need this W lol we gotta keep pace with the pack to try for a wildcard.
When Dominic Raiola jumps in a lake he doesn't get wet. The water gets Raiola'd.
by Amendola dolla billz y'all on Oct 12, 2011 1:57 PM PDT reply actions
with, WIN
When Dominic Raiola jumps in a lake he doesn't get wet. The water gets Raiola'd.
by Amendola dolla billz y'all on Oct 12, 2011 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I keep thinking you're a Rams fan :)
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by afrikabamboodle on Oct 12, 2011 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
no way lol Amendola just has a legit name
When Dominic Raiola jumps in a lake he doesn't get wet. The water gets Raiola'd.
by Amendola dolla billz y'all on Oct 12, 2011 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Methinks you're mispronouncing it...
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 12, 2011 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks for having 500+ comments in less than a day
I couldn’t keep up with you guys…
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When Jim Harbaugh says "more is more" I think he is trying to say Moore is more.
It's going to be a helluva game
Things are just gettin going around here but no major penalties that I’ve seen so far besides a few condescension calls…
Justin Smith is something else. 100% Effort! 100% Class!
"I was just running toward the ball," Smith said. "The guys in front of him were making him slow up a little bit. I just went for the ball and, luckily, it was there."
Well I got a question
back during the draft Lion fans were complaining about how awful their LBs are. Is this still true?
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When Jim Harbaugh says "more is more" I think he is trying to say Moore is more.
no.
with the FA signings of Stephen Tulloch and Justin Durrant. The LIons did draft Doug Hogue from Syacuse in the 5th round. A project of sorts. Doug was a RB until his junior season when he made the switch to OLB. The Lions finally have playmakers and depth in their LB corps.
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You think they are capable in stopping VD Walker
and the three TE sets?
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When Jim Harbaugh says "more is more" I think he is trying to say Moore is more.
Good question.
The Lions have been so-so against TE. It seems like the more athletic TE’s have been a problem for the Lions. Witten and Winslow jr. had pretty solid game against the Lions. I do think though having an outside weapon plays into the success of TE’s against the Lions. For what it is worth. Football Outsiders rank the Lions 25th in the league against TEs.
My personal feeling is that V Davis and D Walker are more of a problem than F Gore and Hunter.
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I think the worst formation for Ds is the 3 TE set
Because it allows 4 of our playmakers (VD Walker Crabtree Gore) all in the game. Then we can run it or throw it. I am kind of hoping that we resign Walker and draft UCLA’s TE.
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When Jim Harbaugh says "more is more" I think he is trying to say Moore is more.
I thinik we will resign Walker definitely
Hopefully Morgan too when he gets back on his feet (no pun intended)
"The Harbaughcolypse is upon us. No one in the NFL is safe"
Jim Harbaugh straight up said
Morgan will be back
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When Jim Harbaugh says "more is more" I think he is trying to say Moore is more.
It's gonna take a set of pretty above average LBs
to stop Walker AND Davis. Hopefully they aren’t there yet. LoL
Man, I think this is going to be a REALLY good game.
"The Harbaughcolypse is upon us. No one in the NFL is safe"
they are there
But I still do not think they will shutdown Vernon. He is a match-up nightmare of LBs.
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very true and safeties
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P.C.P: It is not just for recreation anymore.
Much faster than linebackers, a lot bigger and stronger than safeties
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Alright...
I was tempted to close the comments on this because it’s turned into a back and forth between some of the usual suspects and is taking away from what was a good exchange with Lions fans.
I’ve hidden a chunk of comments and left others up. If this behavior continues I’m closing the thread and we can start a new one without this nonsense. This is not a question of one person being right or wrong. Several people in here are acting childish in here and I’m getting sick of it.
Do not reply to this comment. If you want to raise any issues, email me directly (ninersnation@gmail.com). This thread is for talking about the game only. Zero tolerance is in effect.
Are we gonna have Isaac back? Thought I saw he was gonna play.
You know, Fooch? And is there ANY chance Braylon plays?
"The Harbaughcolypse is upon us. No one in the NFL is safe"
It would be a good thing for the Lions if Edwards played
Five drops should help Lions chances…
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There's context to those drops... meaning I think a majority of them were pretty far off the mark.
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Oh, that was with the Jets... I thought you were talking about something relevant
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by Drew Kerr on Oct 12, 2011 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nothing screams "irrelevant"
Like the J-E-T-S
"The Harbaughcolypse is upon us. No one in the NFL is safe"
I guess both sites have something in comon
We both hate the Jets. #F***kMarkSanchez
I censored for you guys…
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I hate TOE-rannosaurus Rex more than anyone
IF he’d shut his mouth, my disdain for them wouldn’t be as strong
"The Harbaughcolypse is upon us. No one in the NFL is safe"
You know what pisses me off
people who use wins as a justification as to why a QB is good. Makes me want to drop kick kittens
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When Jim Harbaugh says "more is more" I think he is trying to say Moore is more.
Yeah
I wanna drop kick puppies anytime anyone mentions the word Sanchize, even more so when its some douche on ESPN
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you do realize that "sanchize" was coined as a joke
to make fun of the fact that people were calling him the franchise QB all the time
by Andrew9erfan on Oct 12, 2011 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Joke or not
I’m with him. It’s still stupid and I hate it. LoL
"The Harbaughcolypse is upon us. No one in the NFL is safe"
From what I know
Rexy came up with it and the media followed like sheep
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Hate that guy.
Rex is the definition of annoying
"The Harbaughcolypse is upon us. No one in the NFL is safe"
He didn't have as many last year
And he looked good to me when he DID get to play earlier in the preseason and first game.
"The Harbaughcolypse is upon us. No one in the NFL is safe"
He would give you an elite deep threat
Better hope he hangs on to the ball if and when gets the chance
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He's playing for a contract next year
He’ll hold onto it this year.
"The Harbaughcolypse is upon us. No one in the NFL is safe"
I think he had a couple drops last year but everyone had a totally misconceived perception of his performance last year from the previous years. It’s no surprise that things have not changed.
I wish Braylon was playing; one more weapon never hurts.
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A weapon with size
- Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
He had 1 drop last year.
And he has none this year, though in only 2 games.
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I'm assuming you mean Isaac, right?
Sando said something about Iupati sitting out practice. Lord knows we can’t lose him.
"The Harbaughcolypse is upon us. No one in the NFL is safe"
Oh crap... yeah he meant Sopoaga.
I didn’t know that about Iupati but I am sure he’ll aight.
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That would be the SEASON right there
That could be a nightmare situation. LoL
"The Harbaughcolypse is upon us. No one in the NFL is safe"
Edwards, Sopoaga
No Edwards. But Sopoaga sounds like he’ll play. Just posted the injury report.
by David Fucillo on Oct 12, 2011 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions
play
Not really sure anybody can say for sure it means. The only issue with the staph infection was if he lost weight. Otherwise, it’s not like ankle injuries or neck injuries or whatever that might impact technique.
by David Fucillo on Oct 12, 2011 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Wonder if Soaps and Iupati shared the same dirty girl and Iupati has a staff infection now too
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by Drew Kerr on Oct 12, 2011 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Question
How do you plan to stop VD & Crabs from attacking your D until it hurts?
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 12, 2011 6:44 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
From what I know
No Lion has crabs so I’m not worried about that, and did you mean ED by chance? I have no clue what type of disease VD is…
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Just "venereal disease" in general.
V.D. and S.T.D. are pretty much interchangeable acronyms, referring to essentially the same thing.
"Blackmail is such an ugly word. I prefer "extortion." The "X" makes it sound cool." - Bender Bending Rodriguez
Eleanor Rigby - "Greatest Song" or "The Greatest Song"?
Dobbs is some kind of Young/Smith/Roosevelt hybrid, and will absolutely ruin the NFL experience for the other 31 teams and their few fans.
a simple shot of penicillin
I know a guy for that. He is discrete. No questions asked.
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the Lions D-Line: the Four Horsemen of the A-sack-alypse
Jim Schwartz: Erasing the stink of Millen, one fist pump at a time.
P.C.P: It is not just for recreation anymore.
Is he also discreet?
"Blackmail is such an ugly word. I prefer "extortion." The "X" makes it sound cool." - Bender Bending Rodriguez
Eleanor Rigby - "Greatest Song" or "The Greatest Song"?
Dobbs is some kind of Young/Smith/Roosevelt hybrid, and will absolutely ruin the NFL experience for the other 31 teams and their few fans.
by jbrown63 on Oct 12, 2011 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
question: So, how much of the lions current success would be attributed to getting rid of Millen?
…I think he just drafted another wr.
Not entirely sure
He did teach Mayhew about pretty much every single thing NOT to do in the NFL…we have to thank him for that (ie thank him for being a dumbass)
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I think we can all agree on one thing, the Seahawks are amusing to watch, in a very Keystone Cops kind of way
Ndamukong Suh - Bringing 50's football back to Motown!
With Pete Carroll being the Keystone Village Idiot running that circus.
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well...
Beating the Giants on the road is pretty solid.
by David Fucillo on Oct 13, 2011 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Victor Cruz screwed that one up on the goaline as the Giants were about to score again… the word “solid” may not be the best choice of words. “Squeak-by” or “lucky as all get up” may be a better description of that win.
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Actually, Drew, Seattle dominated that game. Their two turnovers in the redzone kept NY in it. The lucky as heck TD by Cruz gave the Giants a chance they didn’t deserve. If any team was lucky it was NY. Fortunately for seattle, it started to even out by the end.
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You gotta bring ass to get ass.
This....
that TD Cruz gave the Giants Eli had on buisness throwing that ball there. That’s blanketed double coverage, luck on Eli’s part it should have been an INT.
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Oct 14, 2011 5:24 AM PDT up reply actions
*no buisness
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Oct 14, 2011 5:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Hmm.. I musta been turing the game on at the wrong times then...
because every time I did, the Giants seemed like they were owning Seattle.
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It gives me some hope that Seattle will be competent enough to win 6 games or so. That keeps them far from the Luck sweepstakes and gives the West another decent team. Their defense is good. Uninformed fans from other blogs like to discredit the SF win over them but the bigger picture is showing that their ability to stifle Gore that day says more about them than our guys.
- Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
I am not sure the Colts are going to win a game this year. They may get lucky in one but now it sounds like maybe Reggie Wayne and Robert Mathis are gonna be trade bait.
I think Manning is gonna retire, personally.
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Its not really a fair game when the Seahwaks have 12 players on the field and the Giants only have 10
Eli Manning was a Seahawk for the second half much like Tony Romo was a Lion in the second half of our game…
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YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Niners will be on in LA!!!!
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yes
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When Jim Harbaugh says "more is more" I think he is trying to say Moore is more.
I think the game is nationally televised.
I’m getting it on FOX in Arizona too
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Outside of other 10am NFC teams home games of course.
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The TV schedule is based on the road team's conference.
Hence Bills @ Giants is on CBS, and Dallas @ New England in on FOX.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
Check out how many markets switched to the Niners game:
UPDATES:
Los Angeles CA; Boston and Springfield MA; Miami and West Palm Beach FL; Buffalo, Rochester, Syracuse, Utica and Watertown NY; Hartford CT; Las Vegas NV; Albuquerque NM; Providence RI; all Kentucky; all Nebraska; all Arkansas; all Maine; Erie PA; all Alaska: PHI-WSH to SF-DET
Orlando, Fort Myers and Gainesville FL; all Colorado; Nashville TN; Des Moines IA; all Montana; all Wyoming: STL-GB to SF-DET
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
Like the old days
Nice.
- Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Damnnn Eastcoast wants to show some sorry....
Foreskins vs Nightmare on Elm Street
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by Kidd2Petrovic on Oct 14, 2011 5:28 AM PDT up reply actions
You should probably start a new thread.
This one is close to 800 comments.
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nah
Let’s get 1K…pretty sure that would be a record for a Ask [Insert Site Name Here] post
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Probably not a record for this site to be honest.
We’ve had some pretty heavy convo with Seahawks fans on this site.
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We've got a lot of web junkies out here in Silicon Valley area
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by Dubs fan in Boston on Oct 13, 2011 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions
The California-based SB Nation sites tend to be very very active in general
I’m sure a lot of that has to do with the fact that we simply have a lot of people (which is both a good and bad thing sometimes). I think being starved for success also leads to a little more activity as most of the Northern California blogs (aside from Fear the Fin and McCovey Chronicles of course) have experienced for quite a long time. We naturally end up with a lot of angry people.
Though taking nothing away from Pride of Detroit since they’re also very active. Active enough to require four game threads at least. And from this thread it looks like they’re very active when it comes to inter-blog participation as well.
Fun Fact:
49ers have beat the Lions 13 times out of the last 15 match ups over a 28-year span.
The two losses:
1985: Lions 23 – 49ers 21
1995: Lions 27 – 49ers 24
Even in the two losses, it was a very close game down to the wire.
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and that is SO relevant to Sunday...
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by Latif Masud on Oct 14, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
who said it was relevant?
he said fun fact not relevant fact
If at first you dont succeed, you are obviously not Patrick Willis
Just as relevant
As the fact that last time Lions went 6-0 they did beat 49ers in game 6.
oof sorry
the year doesn’t end in five. GG Lions
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When Jim Harbaugh says "more is more" I think he is trying to say Moore is more.
It is amazing that the Niners have only lost to Detroit once in the past 25 years.. and that took Doug Brien missing a FG at the gun.
- Thank you SF Giants for an incredible 2010 season and painting the City orange & black!
You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Enjoy that history, guys.
Should make a loss an easier pill to swallow. ;)
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In all honesty
If we lose, it would suck of course, but knowing it was to a good team makes it easier to accept, and the fact that we’ll still be 4-2 isn’t too shabby either.
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Saw this on the NN Injury comments
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Coaches
A ton of discussion on the players and how they will influence the game, but what about the coaches? Does one team have a clear advantage and could that be the difference between winning and losing?
Break out the head coach, offensive and defensive coordinators for me. Strengths, weaknesses and what they bring that may result in a win.
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Players have to execute the plays. Coaches can't do that.
It’s definitely a combination of both. 50/50… and I would say the coach who can best adapt, meaning in-game adjustments, will have the advantage.
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Coaches are a push at this point
HC’s anyway. Both young, enthusiastic and inspiring. And smart. I like Schwartz. Too bad we didn’t sign him instead of…Nolan…
Justin Smith is something else. 100% Effort! 100% Class!
"I was just running toward the ball," Smith said. "The guys in front of him were making him slow up a little bit. I just went for the ball and, luckily, it was there."
Aww we are so close to 1000 comments
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When Jim Harbaugh says "more is more" I think he is trying to say Moore is more.
ya it is...
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When Jim Harbaugh says "more is more" I think he is trying to say Moore is more.
You got your 1000
And then some.
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You gotta bring ass to get ass.
Dunno if this was asked but whats the weakest part of the Lions D?
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When Jim Harbaugh says "more is more" I think he is trying to say Moore is more.
heres the comments that give your other half decents comments no merit
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It was joke there Howdy!
We aren’t the ones that are sitting over here claimging a blowout like most of you are over at POD
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Glass houses, friend.
I’ve seen the week 6 predictions thread. =p
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The majority of the scores are very, very close if you paid attention close enough.
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You were being hyperbolic when you said "most of you are over at POD"
So I, in turn, was being hyperbolic, but there are plenty of landslide victories for SF predicted. 34-17, 28-12, 28-7, 31-17, etc.
Hell, I think I saw something like a 41-14 prediction or something.
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17 points, 16 points, 14 points...
While I personally don’t agree that the margin of victory for either team will be that large, it’s not close to the 45 – 10 type of stuff I saw over there.
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You're going to see crooked predictions on either blog is my point.
Claiming that most of us are claiming a blowout is just not true. Most of us haven’t even put predictions in.
Vocal minority and all that.
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I think it's closer to a split from what I saw...
Those 4 scores above that you posted represent less than 1% of the rest of us.
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And the blowouts you saw predicted at POD are a similar vocal minority.
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Went I went over there, a majority of what I saw was plenty of disrespect toward our team being dished out.
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Right now
Its might sound little weird but I think the scheme is the biggest problem right now. The Wide 9 based scheme is working great on passing downs as we’re getting a ton of pressure, but its leaving some gaping holes to run through, and teams have been taking advantage every now and then. On predictable running downs, the Lions are one of the best rush defenses in the league. I believe they ranked number on on power running downs. It’s really sort of something we have to live with as the players on the roster are perfect for the scheme, but I wish they could find a way to improve on that.
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the one thing i'm curious about
Is how your D will respond when we pass out of power running formations. We’ve done pretty well throwing out of three TE sets. Last week, Davis had a nice TD reception out of a 3 TE set. I do expect to see a lot of pressure from you guys though.
by Andrew9erfan on Oct 15, 2011 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions
3 TE sets with one of those being defensive lineman in to block
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we will probably just pack and leave, were out classed and matched in all facets of the game
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I wasn't claiming victory already
I’ll leave that to you guys
by Andrew9erfan on Oct 15, 2011 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions
exactly… none of us are over here… there over their claiming blowout to cover up their fear of losing because they’ve barely scraped by in every game but Kansas City.
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Who's claiming blowout?
No really…i wanna meet a Lions fan thats claiming blowout
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I’ve seen plenty of them over there at POD… Along with waaayyyy too much confidence in a fast start with 11 games left in the season.
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I could say the same thing about the Niners fanbase about confidence
and you have yet to point out a single comment claiming a blowout, yet you have a page on here full of them that claim Niners blowouts…
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here you go
This is what I want to know
1. You guys already lost Morgan, what is the status on Edwards?
2. If Edwards is out, do you believe you have the firepower on offense to potentially score with the Lions?
3. What’s your prediction on the final score?
I believe if the Lions D shuts down Gore and Hunter, your team really has no chance. Gore/Hunter needs to control the clock and keep the Lions offense on the sidelines. Final score: Det 38 SF 13.
And no, I’m not a SF Hater! Wish you guys all the success after this game cause I hate everyone else in your division.
by Andrew9erfan on Oct 15, 2011 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd be curious to know who that poster is
Realize that these are public domains, which means any idiot that can turn on a computer can post stuff. Most of the regulars over there have been very level headed about the Niners…just 13 more hours
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very true
I just posted it to show that it has been happening. But you are correct that anyone can post anything. I think a few people from both teams have posted such things that people took offense to. We all need to realize that the comments of a few do not represent the entirety of our fan bases.
by Andrew9erfan on Oct 15, 2011 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions
NN biggest poster is just as crazy as any you could find on POD
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yep just barely scraped by in every game...
but your blowout of tampa bay means your superbowl champ you really should be a comedian
and that thrashing you put to cincy 13-8 holy cow a real barn burner, what about that 24-23 win against Philly a real triumphant beating you put on there.
just wow~
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Nobody here is claiming Superbowl or anything close...
Not even spouting off half the delusional crap that you all are about out team. I think it’s funny as hell to razz you all so easily.
Go on now, run back to your den and lick your wounds.
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pshh speak for yourself
I already booked my ticket
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delusional you say we scraped by
and i show you FACTS where you also scraped by and you just plow right through the facts to get your little jabs in and think your getting to us but i find it better to just watch you make a fool of yourself over and over again
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No, I admit it...we scraped by on a few games.
It was the way you were coming off. But I can admit it… I don’t make excuses for it, nor do I for the shortcomings the 49ers do in fact have. But when people have tried to punch holes (using stone cold facts, or at least evidence to back opinion) it’s like you guys can’t handle it or something. And that’s the difference.
I am willing to have productive conversation with anyone who is willing to respect me back…. or anyone else on this board. But if I see someone being disrespected on here (or I’m being disrespected) then it’s just flat out not gonna fly.
So you wanna talk football, what this board was meant for? Then let’s talk some football. Anything outside of that, I’ll just ignore from here on. But the minute it turns disrespectful, then that’s where things hit the fan.
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my honest opinion is our fans and teams are so alike that is unbelievable...
it will be a tough game and the most nervous ive been for a game… its exciting stuff but good luck tomorrow im going down town and i dont live in detroit so there schools didnt mess me up hahaha live in big sky country Montana.
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In some ways, I feel like this game will have a playoff atmosphere.
I expect the crowd to be involved a large portion of the game. But as the other guys said, this could be the first round of a two-round bout.
We may meet again in the playoffs. Only, if that happens, it will most likely be because you all got a wildcard and have to come to San Fran to play us there.
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that could very well be the scenario but i cant wait to see how the norh shakes out.
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I think it’s safe to say that things in Minnesota won’t change much.
Green Bay and Chicago will be the biggest challenges for you all to take the division. I’m not counting Chicago out just yet myself. They could be there at the end too.
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The linebackers are good to very good in coverage
We haven’t seen a 3 TE set yet, but they have been pretty solid aginast TEs thus far
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Don’t even ask… you’re wasting your time… they think they’re better than the ’85 Bears or something close.
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haha another smarmy comment from the schwab whats that up to 100 or so
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Take a look at some of your comments there Howdy Doody
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oh burn son
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Lookin at those silly white sunglasses, I thought it fit
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whoa dont hold back tell me how you really feel
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I think you're going a little too far
Regardless of how you feel about comments of others, we should be courteous/respectful to guests to our blog.
by Andrew9erfan on Oct 15, 2011 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I know… they’re so respectful that they deserve it.
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you're definition of respectful is that the opposing fans have to give a blog blowjob to your team
and we ain’t doin that…
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LOL!!
Not even close…
But when you guys come over here trash talking rather than trying to have productive debate (or whatever you want to call it) then we (at least I am not) going to sit back and watch it.
This is Niners Nation… not Pride of Detroit. Get it?
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wow
Trash talking? Really? Again, maybe you guys are a little mellow out there in the west, but this is NOT REAL trash talking by our standards…
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Lol, okay... well that justifies it then.
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you forgot the part where you say PERIOD
sorry we dont bow to your clearly better team we apologize. now lets go back to how your gonna break stafford, suhs a pussy, CJ wont score cause #1 redzone D and Alex Smith is best QB in the league, you guys have played way better teams than we will play all year, Jahvid Best is slow, im sure im missing some but im sure you will remind me of that productive debate you were so worried about having
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I don't think anyone actually thinks those things
by Andrew9erfan on Oct 15, 2011 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions
im sure lots of guys dont but to say that you wanted a productive debate and then mention these other things
like we suck because our history says so, that doesnt spark productive conversation, just irritates people and then a board turns into this piddly back and forth.
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not saying u did those things andrew just reading comments like that from people
make this turn ugly quick
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I didn't see that happen
but I admit I haven’t read every comment on here. If it did, then that’s just ridiculous. Not having read all of Drew’s comments on here, I can’t say that he didn’t say something. But I have seen him make comments in various threads that show that he does respect your team.
by Andrew9erfan on Oct 15, 2011 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Thank you for giving me credit.
I made one joke of a comment in response to manraj7 about the defense (which I thought was clearly a joke, not to be confused with serious) and maybe it was taken out of context.
Anyway, I respect that team. I don’t think it’s gonna be a walk in the park for either team…. but these are all things I have said before. I’ve even went to bat for some of their players against some of our fans… but you know…
Anyway, it will be a fin game to watch and I am not sweating what anyone has said on this board. Just looking forward to the game itself.
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question for you Drew
If others took your comments the wrong way when you were joking….do you think maybe it’s possible that the same thing happened with how you took some of their comments?
by Andrew9erfan on Oct 15, 2011 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Sure. Anything is possible.
But obvious things are obvious. There’s always room for misinterpretation on the blogoshpere. I been around the block enough to know that Andrew. But I’ve also been around the block long enough to know when things are deliberate.
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The match was already lit by then when those comments were made. And all the over confidence came over flowing on to our boards.
It’s one thing to have confidence in your team, it’s another thing to be disrespectful in how you portray that. There’s a productive way to converse about the game and then there’s the other way… a lot of your fans came over here and went the latter route.
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Drew, if that's the case then you have two options
you can continue to fan the flames more, to make the fire bigger. Or you could recognize the futility of said fire and work to put it out. No amount of arguing or back and forth is going to change anything here. You’re not going to change their minds, just as they aren’t going to change yours. Let it go.
by Andrew9erfan on Oct 15, 2011 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Who said those things because the sure in the hell are not on this board.
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I disagree with a fair amount of some of their comments
Which is natural since everyone’s going to be somewhat of a homer. But I don’t think that they’ve been disrespectful. And even were that the case, I don’t think that means we need to do the same.
by Andrew9erfan on Oct 15, 2011 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Really Andrew?
Go back through and read some of the stuff… I think you’ll have a change of heart.
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I'm sure that you can find some comments that qualify
but that does not mean that their whole fan base believes the same thing. I just don’t see the point in continuing to argue.
by Andrew9erfan on Oct 15, 2011 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree especially since the game is a nighttime away for you guys
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hey man thanks i appreciate the honesty and wish you the best of luck tomorrow, should be a great game.
just hopes when its all done we can both be injury free
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it's very easy to get caught up in the emotion of it
especially since we both have teams that were bad for a long time and have been disrespected a lot over the years. For the most part, I think there’s a mutual respect between our two fan bases. Defiantly agree on the no injuries. Looking forward to a good game tomorrow.
by Andrew9erfan on Oct 15, 2011 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed... it's not all of them... just a select few.
And I agree, the end result of the game will do more talking than any one on this blog could or will do.
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this might not be the last time these two teams face off
it could be a wild card game
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I'm sure you'd love a chance to avenge the loss
I kid, I kid!!
by Andrew9erfan on Oct 15, 2011 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Nah
We wouldn’t mind destroying the niners twice in a season…
I (half) kid
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Would most likely be in San Fran if that happened.
I think it is a very likely possibility for a round 2.
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Yeah
We have the Packers to worry about…losing this game could very well mean kissing good bye to the division
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Even if you win, I think there would still be chance you would have to settle for a wild card even if you went 13-3 or something like that.
Packers have been the only team that is looking pretty close to invincible.
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I dunno if I agree with that
Their passing defense is suspect and we’ve taken advantage of their oline in the past. Plus, the run game isn’t that good. Of course, they can score at will, but I think the Lions have the firepower to match them, but the situation would have to right to beat them much like last season
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both starting tackles are down and out LT is out for the year
its just matter of getting to Rodgers and putting him in the dirt.
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your only chance really
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Nah
We lost against them on the road by a margin of 28-26 last year and that was WITH Shaun Hill starting. I would not be surprised if the Liosn lost against the Niners and beat the Pack just because of how the strengths and weaknesses play out
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Dunno... I think their scheme is pretty tough to beat.
When do you all play them?
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Week 11
Thanksgiving and to end the season. The scheme the Lions are kind of used to and they seem to play well against 3-4 teams for whatever reason. Might have to do with all the TEs they have
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So you have them twice more, the Bears once more… then outside of that the only real challenges look like New Orleans and San Diego.
So 6 more tough games (including us) left on the schedule out of 11… even if you guys dropped some of those, you’ll still most likely wind up in good shape for the playoffs depending what happens in the South and East (who are struggling at this point).
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I'm not all that worried about the playoffs
and the Bears aren’t a tough game anymore…its actually one of those games fans look forward to because Cutler will be running around like a chicken with his head off.
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You don’t think they’ll do things to correct the problems they had in that MNF game when you guys go to Soldier Field?
Even though, the score wasn’t indicative, I thought that was a pretty scrappy game.
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unless correcting problems means
the Bears come out with a new starting offensive line, the result will be the same
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I just think there are things they could do schematically different
To slow things down some. And in the NFL, all it takes is a few bad bounces and that could wind up being the difference… unless it’s against really, really awful teams of course. But I don’t think you can say they are that. They went to the NFC Championship game less than a year ago with virtually the same personnel.
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yeah
that was a HUGE fluke of a year. They played the weakest schedule in the NFL last year and would’ve missed the playoffs had the refs called the Megatron TD catch properly. On top of that, they faced seattle in the divisional round to make it to the championsip game.
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I couldn't believe that call.
I said it when it happened and I’ll say it again, “possibly the worst call in NFL’s history”. It was that bad… plus, I had Johnson on my fantasy team last year so it pissed me off more for that reason, haha.
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+1
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The bears need to clean house.... cutler cant take the beating he receives for ever
there fans are pretty over it… cutler played his ace off in that game, if he would have had an bad game the end results would of been embarrassing i think
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The packers really are one injury away from plummeting...
rodgers has a concussion history so if he gets hurt from now until then it can really ruin there season
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dunno about that
Packers are deep, and Flynn is a solid QB
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Speaking from an odds stand point
He has a point though.
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solid but he cant produce half the numbers that rodgers had behind that line
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yeah but
they are still in the hunt for 10 wins with Flynn. At least thats how i feel
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True.
But as things are right now, they’re still looking to be the team to beat, not only in the NFC but the entire NFL.
God knows I hate them and hope that something happens to change that, but right now it’s calling a spade a spade.
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definitely the best team, but if saints win the opening week were talking about them now instead of the pack
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The saints look really bad for their record
but that’s jsut me
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The problem with the Saints is that they're inconsistent.
Sometimes they look unbeatable and others they look like the Saints of the 80’s.
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theyve played the pack the thoughest this year i think
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Tough question really
Its early in the season and both teams have played well so far. I think the front seven of both teams are a tie. Niners are a better at rush D, Lions are better at getting pressure. THe back four is what decides it for me. I would go with the Lions since we seem to have more pieces there.
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Front 4 = Detroit.
Front 7 = SF
DBs = SF
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your
Secondary has given up 200 more yds than we have?? and our CBs have fairly similar stats so id give it a wash
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they give up a lot of yards
but force a lot of turnovers and are lights out in the red zone. Given your turnover ratio and points scored against you, I imagine that’s similar for you guys.
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ya man our teams are so similar its unreal
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You guys have a slightly better pass rush
That helps any DB looks better. Not saying the gap is huge but I think the Niners have better safeties and depth at CB.
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and my friends we broke 1000
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When Jim Harbaugh says "more is more" I think he is trying to say Moore is more.
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woot woot
10/15/2011 the day we went 1000+ comments on a post between two blogs
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When Jim Harbaugh says "more is more" I think he is trying to say Moore is more.
I think we did it with the Field Gulls blog before.
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VD said he'll score a TD
Goodnight I’ll see y’all in the end zone tomorrow tweetsters!
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Reporter : "What do you remember about the BCS title game"
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"Stopping the run doesn't come because of scheme. It come because of want to." - Donte Whitner
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Only 12 more hours.
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Reading through the last 2 hours worth of comments
has been an absolutely mind-numbing experience, and my computer has resisted it the whole way down.
Thank God it’s almost gameday.
We don't need 8 in the box. We have 52 in the box.
Holy smokes , have never seen this many comments before on a ask a question segment ...!!
I'm your " Huckelberry "...it's just my game ...Jimmy Raye your no daisy ...!!
So between the thread here and POD
We amassed 1924 comments thus far. I wouldn’t be surprised if it get to 2K by gametime. I want to thank all the people here for having us over this week. There was some back and forth but I think that’s expected when both teams are heading in the right direction. Good luck the rest of the season and GO LIONS
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Good luck to you all too... (just not this week, haha)
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Joe Montana and Ronnie Lott are going to be on Sunday NFL Countdown this morning.
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Thanks NinersNation for being good hosts
And engaging me in some entertaining and engaging smack talk in the past few days. Hoping for a good game with no injuries, and of course hoping to see my Leos pull out a W.
I’ll see you all after the game (win or lose). Mavyrk out.
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Lions said they're going to be moving their DB's around all over the place to confuse Smith.
But Roman and Harbaugh have used motions to neutralize that in previous games.
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Bruce Miller
Moron Norris sucks
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When Jim Harbaugh says "more is more" I think he is trying to say Moore is more.
Bruce Miller... an up and coming rookie that's looked pretty good.
He was converted from linebacker/ defensive end similar to what Harbaugh did with Owen Marecic at Stanford.
He’s got good hands out of the backfield…
But every once in a while, you’ll see our NT lined up back there with another offensive lineman that checks in as an eligible receiver… so a total of 7 power pigs blocking on a given play
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